Turkey refused to Russia in the implementation of a planned monitoring flight over the Turkish-Syrian border

Head of the Department for Monitoring the Implementation of the Treaties of the Ministry of Defense of Russia Sergey Ryzhkov told the media that Turkey had violated the “open skies” agreement and prohibited the Russian mission to carry out a scheduled control flight over the Turkish-Syrian border. It should be noted that the monitoring flights of the representatives of the Russian mission over the NATO countries and the mission of the NATO countries over Russia have been planned until today. So the Pentagon and Bundeswehr Special Representatives repeatedly carried out monitoring flights over the border strip between Russia and Ukraine, without ever finding there “Russian hordes threatening Ukraine”.

Turkey refused to monitor the mission of the Russian mission. As they say, there is something to hide ...

Sergey Ryzhkov quotes RIA News:

In accordance with the Treaty on Open Skies, in the period from 1 to 5 in February 2016, a flight of a group of Russian observers over the territory of the Turkish Republic was planned on the An-30B observation aircraft. No preconditions and restrictions on the conduct of the observation flight by Russia on the part of Turkey were announced. However, after the arrival of the Russian mission in Turkey and the announcement of the planned route of the observation flight, the Turkish military refused to conduct it, citing instructions from the Turkish Foreign Ministry. Thus, as a result of violations of the requirements of the Treaty and unconstructive actions on the part of Turkey, a dangerous precedent of uncontrolled military activities of one of the States Parties to the Open Skies Treaty has been created.

The Russian Defense Ministry states that the Turkish side’s demarche is not going to be left without proper attention.

The other day, the main defense department of the Russian Federation presented video footage of artillery strikes from Turkey on the territory of Syria, taken under the control of the UAR forces after successful battles with terrorists. In addition, representatives of the Syrian Kurds said that Turkey is working to move the border line into the Syrian territory. Are these not the factors that caused the urgent ban on the monitoring flight over the Turkish-Syrian border? ..

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[Ami du peuple]

Turkey has set a dangerous precedent for the uncontrolled military activities of one of the States parties to the Open Skies Treaty.

Everything. The Treaty ended with the open sky. Maybe for the best - there is nothing to weld such "friends" over our territory. We will consider what is needed from our companions. But the Turks - hell.

[NIKNN]

We wait until official explanations ...

[SRC P-15]

Turkey refused to Russia in the implementation of a planned monitoring flight over the Turkish-Syrian border

This was to be expected. Turks at the border do not need an extra witness, especially one like Russia. Moreover, we poked their nose with shelling on the territory of Syria. And here still Erdogan strives to push the border into foreign territory. It is necessary to declare a note of protest in NATO.

[maxcor1974]

Turkey MEMBER OF NATO. So we are suspending the flights of alliance aircraft over our territory. Let 3,14ndos and Co. get nervous ...

[Inok10]

Quote: maxcor1974

Turkey MEMBER OF NATO. So we are suspending the flights of alliance aircraft over our territory. Let 3,14ndos and Co. get nervous ...

... well, they’re unlikely to be nervous ... well, a precedent is very much in our favor .. an extra trump card in your hands will not hurt at all ... contract is broken ... fact ..

[cap]

Quote: Inok10

Quote: maxcor1974

Turkey MEMBER OF NATO. So we are suspending the flights of alliance aircraft over our territory. Let 3,14ndos and Co. get nervous ...

... well, they’re unlikely to be nervous ... well, a precedent is very much in our favor .. an extra trump card in your hands will not hurt at all ... contract is broken ... fact ..

Tolstoy is a copy of Erdogan. And the habits are the same.

[sergant1.1]

yeah, why are you guys really. they have already put Yugoslavia on all these agreements, schmogovory. I am already surprised how they let us through the Bosphorus. Everything ... there are no rules of decency to observe something. Says who wants what, all nonsense (up to to the first persons of the state-va), troops are being transferred to foreign territories for no good reason (Turks), planes are being shot down (Turks) .... yes, you yourself know everything ... Surely THIS GOAL_TARRATE TO THIS WHOLE WORLD. and managed by CHAOS

[andj61]

Quote: maxcor1974

Turkey MEMBER OF NATO. So we are suspending the flights of alliance aircraft over our territory. Let 3,14ndos and Co. get nervous ...

And what does NATO have to do with it? The treaty has nothing to do with NATO!

The Treaty on Open Skies (DON) (The Treaty on Open Skies) is a multilateral international treaty signed on March 24, 1992 in Helsinki by representatives of 23 member states of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The purpose of the treaty is to help build confidence between states through improving mechanisms for monitoring military activity and for compliance with existing arms control treaties. The agreement establishes an open sky regime, the purpose of which is to provide an opportunity for its participants to fly over each other's territories.
For 2014, 33 states are parties to the Treaty. The Russian Federation ratified the Open Skies Treaty on May 26, 2001.

Of the European treaties, Switzerland, Ireland, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia and the dwarf states did not sign. Of the Transcaucasian countries, only Georgia signed; of the Asian countries, but did not ratify Kyrgyzstan.

[opus]

Quote: andj61

And what does NATO have to do with it? The treaty has nothing to do with NATO!

Like yes (OSCE + USA)
DON

We look at NATO:

and everything is clear

[lex loci]

Quote: andj61

And what does NATO have to do with it? The treaty has nothing to do with NATO!

And despite the fact that a member of the NATO Block does not comply with the treaty. T.ch. and send the entire block on foot erotic.
And then somersaults begin: they can fly, but we don’t ....
No, no, no. Died so dead.
The agreement on that and the agreement that they must be strictly observed ...
And then they learned the Amer’s habit: everyone must abide by the agreement, and we, as necessary ....

[Paranoid50]

Yes, in principle, from their side these flights are more formal: what we want to show, and what we don’t need - we will not show. I remember, in 97, such a flight took place just over our unit (near the Norwegian border), the route was known in advance, and the entire connection (more than a thousand) was pushed in advance for half a day. And from above the view is quite peaceful: a small village in the hills and ... that's all. I remember, deep down, I was even grateful to the "mattresses", because. practically the only time in the whole service I had an official sleep. Something like this. Well, with the Turks, there are two options: either there really is something to hide, or again the feces are ripe, boil (he was bitten by Petryg Erdogan).

[Ostwest]

..all the connection (more than a thousand) ..
They don’t tell soldiers about flights, all the more they will never explain the necessary maneuvers of the troops. Only a combat mission.
About connections it is very interesting. In the army sense, the compound is a division, but where are we with thousands of divisions?
And "shove" them in a limited area?
This can only be heard from Petrosyan.
Here people gathered most likely having a real relationship to military service. Well, if you only joked, then yes, but anyway, it’s not funny.

[Paranoid50]

No, it’s just been communicated to the whole personnel - this is the time. Our connection was called just that, because it consisted of dissimilar parts and each had its own number — these were two. And finally, the number, more than a thousand PEOPLE, is three. Hopefully explained intelligibly. I still have no right in more detail.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Paranoid50

Well, with the Turks there are two options: either there really is something to hide

Of course have! After all, caravans of fuel trucks in the desert do not shove. Turkey’s refusal, I think, is not connected with military facilities (we have long been aware of them), but it’s a fact with actions on the southern border of Turkey.

[Aleks.Antonov]

And on what basis were these flights conducted in 1997? If the Russian Federation joined this agreement only in 2001? In general, a strange agreement. I want to fulfill, I want not to fulfill. In 2010, Russia banned Georgian flights over Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In 2012, Georgia, finally offended, banned flights of Russian aircraft over Georgia. In 2014, the Americans were banned, though always and everyone presented the rationale for their prohibitions. But did the Turks present such a justification?

[1774]

It’s absolutely right that not only the universal howl will get nervous, the Russians are hiding the deployment of several tens of thousands of top-secret missile launchers and all of them are definitely aimed at the Baltic countries, Poland, and who else is preparing for the war with Russia with all their might, Norway seems to be shorter.

[SSR]

Quote: maxcor1974

Turkey MEMBER OF NATO. So we are suspending the flights of alliance aircraft over our territory. Let 3,14ndos and Co. get nervous ...

+ Moreover, it must be announced very loudly ... By analogy with the anti-missile defense system against Iran.
Uh, funny. I am a user of Yandex services and this is what Yandex offers me after clicking on the link about Turkey with a ban ..... Well, the intelligence from PR specialists is rushing from all the cracks.

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[opus]

Quote: maxcor1974

so that we suspend flights of alliance aircraft over our territory

OSCE then.

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http://www.osce.org/ru/library/14131?download=true

NATO is here, as if not at work (officially).

But the signatories,almost everyone in NATO

I don’t understand the truth of what the USA does in DON ..
But they offered it already from 1955

Quote: maxcor1974

Let 3,14ndosy and Co.

April 16, 2014 Russia, in accordance with paragraph 2 of Section I of Article VIII of the Open Skies Treaty onhid the US inspection flight in connection withthat the US mission did not arrive twice at the time it declared: April 14 and 15 ..
They flew on April 21

On this:

[poquello]

Quote: NIKNN

We wait until official explanations ...

Duc they’ll explain, they’ll explain - they had lunch, and such a landscape was

[tol100v]

Quote: NIKNN

We wait until official explanations ...

What are the explanations? The answer is mirrored and can be even tougher! Just stop all kinds of NATO inspections - that's the whole story! Let them monitor in their pants!

[NIKNN]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: NIKNN

We wait until official explanations ...

What are the explanations? The answer is mirrored and can be even tougher! Just stop all kinds of NATO inspections - that's the whole story! Let them monitor in their pants!

We will manage and answer. To rush for what ...
We slowly go down the hill and ******** all the herd ...

[meriem1]

Quote: NIKNN

We wait until official explanations ...

Whose official explanations ??? Turkish? Their silence is louder than any statements!

[vovanpain]

The Russian Defense Ministry states that the Turkish side’s demarche is not going to be left without proper attention.

Here is the same launcher S-400 will not disregard the demarche of the Turks in the sky of Syria.

[kodxnumx]

I think Turkey will soon run into full. It’s just necessary to arrange everything beautifully from the USA and NATO, there weren’t any complaints in our direction, there’s no one who needs a third world war and let’s give ..... ..... I think in full. soon such an opportunity will be provided! I think that the Turks banned the flight, and it’s just a mess for us, we can see everything on the border with Turkey without it, I think the satellites saw everything there and know where and what is done!

[SSR]

Quote: vovanpain

The Russian Defense Ministry states that the Turkish side’s demarche is not going to be left without proper attention.

Here is the same launcher S-400 will not disregard the demarche of the Turks in the sky of Syria.

Comrad, my minus to you.
1. In a foreign land, a couple .... Ten pairs of S-400 divisions ...... * they won’t help if a mass pedestrian begins with cover of air defense systems ...... 70 flight units and everyone else will be very tired of the peshkodralnoy with cover ..... Well damn it, it’s a lot of time to crack ... But what about quarantine in schools? About logistics and stuff, I generally keep quiet.

[Committee]

That everything is like children, by golly, as if we had no intelligence.

[Koshak]

Quote: Committee

That everything is like children, by golly, as if we had no intelligence.

So already showed how intelligence works. All Turkish fuel trucks on the big screen. Almost drove the muzzle were recognizable

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Everything. The Treaty ended with the open sky. Maybe for the best - there is nothing to weld such "friends" over our territory. We will consider what is needed from our companions. But the Turks - hell.

You are not quite right. The Turks receive all satellite data and intelligence from the Americans.

[annodomene]

I agree, such "friends" - for x .. and the museum!

[iouris]

"War danger" and "Open skies" are incompatible things.

[APASUS]

Turkey is a NATO member, acting in a similar way and prohibiting flights of NATO missions until the problem is solved. No, the Busurman will draw us into the war .........

[ded100]

Turks generally forbid all flights should let them walk!

[Not_invented]

Are fuel trucks hiding? Or something else?

[kodxnumx]

I am sure everything that they would like to hide from our eyes, we already know for it, everything is progressively militarily that the weapons and intelligence are working for us in Syria now!

[arane]

It's only the beginning.
The situation will worsen with the advance of the Syrian army to the border with Turkey, and there will most likely be a military conflict. We'll see

[Pereira]

I would be surprised if the Turks agreed.

[AlexTires]

If my sclerosis does not change me, then this treaty is valid within the framework of NATO, and if so, then Turkey has not violated it, in the entire bloc. And why should we worry? Since there are no special zones to which flights or seizures are not allowed, a precedent is automatically created and an excuse not to allow NATO to conduct inspection flights over our territory.

[jovanni]

Here it would be possible to learn from the "partners". We must now raise such a boil, roll a barrel onto NATO with terrible force and show them to Stoltenberg. or whatever, send it every 10 minutes ...

[Thunderbolt]

The treaty is under the auspices of the OSCE. And participation in it or a refusal of obligations is voluntary, not corporate. For example, Georgia opposed our inspections 3 years ago and we can no longer fly over Georgia. P.S. In addition to the An-30, we have 2 other handsome men here:
Tu-214ON ("Open Sky")Tu-214ON is the first aircraft in the history of the Open Skies Treaty equipped with all types of permitted surveillance equipment. It is equipped with an airborne surveillance system (BKAN). The BKAN includes digital aerial equipment, television and infrared cameras, side-view radars, an on-board digital computer system and navigation support system. The limitation of the resolution of digital cameras is 30 cm, infrared - 50 cm. The aerial photocomplex is represented by digital and film cameras located in the nose of the fuselage on the lower deck. Side-view radar is also located in front of the fuselage. The radar capture range is from 4,7 to 25 km, the field of view is up to 50 km.

[Dam]

Well, somehow everything goes in one direction. And everything will happen soon, too soon

[sabakina]

Spur with RT:

Murzilka 1019 -30 minutes ago
Let it be decided then: Turkey is Turkey or Turkey is NATO for the most part. Let NATO then get Lyuli for Turkey. And do not twist the concepts of how and when it is beneficial to them.

Original news RT in Russian:
https://russian.rt.com/article/146059

[AIR ZNAK]

The transfer by the Turks of the marking of the state border with Syria, maybe and about what, but the borders are fixed in interstate treaties and there is a reason, coupled with the violation of the Open Skies agreement of the cart from Russia and Syria to the UN Security Council, make some louder noise The result will be Maybe not right away

[kg pv]

Quote: AlexTires

If my sclerosis does not change me, then this treaty is valid within the framework of NATO, and if so, then Turkey has not violated it, in the entire bloc. And why should we worry? Since there are no special zones to which flights or seizures are not allowed, a precedent is automatically created and an excuse not to allow NATO to conduct inspection flights over our territory.

They will be disregarded in NAT, they will only say that it concerns Turkey, and in any other places you can fly.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Well, then we will soon fly around the Syrian-Byzantine border.?

[Olegater]

It's just that the Turks, at the behest of a puddle, are escalating a military exacerbation with Russia. Show that they are the most daring and "independent". But in fact they are very afraid. In the event of a real confrontation, the Turks will be left alone and no one will help them. Well, which of the white gentlemen will die for the Turks? Yes, no one !!!!! And on account of the termination of flights over NATO members, we prohibit NATO inspection flights, as we rightly said AlexTires . Well, the stench raised by the same NATO should be ignored. Or ridicule about their insults or claims.

[sgg]

confrontation with Turkey is intensifying. And traveling NATO will support Turkey if it leads to a direct clash. We can not indulge Turkey, otherwise we will lose in Syria.

[cap]

Quote: sgg

Olegater (2) RU Today, 19:34

It's just that the Turks, at the behest of a puddle, are escalating a military aggravation with Russia. Show that they are the most daring and "independent". But in fact they are very afraid. In the event of a real confrontation, the Turks will be left alone and no one will help them. Well, which of the white gentlemen will die for the Turks? Yes, no one !!!!!

Quote: sgg

confrontation with Turkey is intensifying. And traveling NATO will support Turkey if it leads to a direct clash. We can not indulge Turkey, otherwise we will lose in Syria.

Quote: Thunderbolt

Stormbreaker (1) RU Today, 19:42 PM

Most likely, the Turks concentrated tanks on the border, and heavy artillery has already taken up combat positions. And the ban on conducting an inspection is not just a political demarche, but a tactical necessity.

+++ I agree. The truth is somewhere nearby.

[Volzhanin]

I did not understand - and if you fly along the border, but over Syrian territory, then nothing interesting will be visible?
Why fly into the territory of turland?

[Seal]

It is possible along the border from Syria. You can see everything from space.
But if there is an opportunity specially provided for by the International Treaty on Free Skies to fly over a part of the territory of Turkey that interests us, then why should this wonderful legal opportunity be neglected?

[Thunderbolt]

Most likely, the Turks concentrated tanks on the border, and heavy artillery has already taken up combat positions. And the ban on conducting an inspection is not just a political demarche, but a tactical necessity.

[akims]

It is very similar to everything that most recently the Turks recognized the fact that they cleared the territories bordering Syria.

[znorick]

Erdogan’s policy is turning Turkey into something similar to Ukraine. They also spit on all treaties and international rules, constantly create provocative situations in the Donbass, local media zombify the population, and all this is covered by the United States and its vassals in Europe. Therefore, anything can be expected from Turkey, up to open aggression.

[User]

Quote: znorick

Turkey can expect anything, up to open aggression

Why wait then? VKS plane was shot down over the territories of Syria, two people died! Open aggression is a completed stage. And this is not the end. Now the main thing is for the command to envisage actions under possible scenarios in order to prevent further losses among the personnel.

[kapitan92]

This is a really dangerous precedent. If I am not mistaken, this is the first time since the signing of the Open Skies Treaty. "...... we do not intend to leave the demarche of the Turkish side without due attention" ...
Here it is right! The main thing is that this should not be the blasphemy of our officials.

[old pioneer]

The pose that Turkey took is like hell drinking, without bending your knees, face in a puddle. Bertsom would be under her tail ...

[Alexandr2637]

Well, really, and this spit in our address will remain without a worthy answer?

[Shmal_]

And ours do not see from satellites what the Turks do there ...

[dmikras]

You exaggerate the capabilities of satellites a little

[Volzhanin]

Unfortunately or fortunately, satellites do not "see" at night.
In the suburbs, I managed to mount tricky antennas at night, by the morning everything was again masked. When finished - they rolled everything into asphalt.

[hartlend]

Everything goes to a logical conclusion, apparently Erdogan has no way out.

[aba]

No exit?! Well, then there will be a departure!

[Delink]

There is always a way out, for Erdogan it’s the anus to the back of history

[BOB044]

Turkey refused to Russia in the implementation of a planned monitoring flight over the Turkish-Syrian border

So Turkey has a snout in a cannon.

[Flat5160]

As in that joke: "Here the map flooded me!". You can now send them or send them when needed referring to Turkey. Now let them sprinkle with saliva and prove who has a curve. And it's not about what is visible from space and what is not. The point is who does and who does not and with what and who justifies it and why.

[Stinger]

Let the mosquitoes fly in the "open sky" now. Another fine-minded liberal project has failed. "Values" got in the way.

[molyr]

I hope ours will not let them in now either

[KRIG55]

Well, it's time to close the "open skies" for NATO. Now let them look from space in clear weather.

[gravizapa]

Previously, during the Soviet era, they were afraid of us .....

[old pioneer]

Well, it’s not our fault that someone who is not far away takes kindness for weakness ....

[fa2998]

Why fly over the border? You can shoot from your (or Syrian) side. Fly around at a distance of 1-2 km, from a height of 10 km. Modern optics (both radar and infrared equipment) allows you to look far! And we saw this agreement in the coffin !

[Seva]

Just don't need to be Erdogan-don

[gravizapa]

And what is a shame, they flew to the Turks to inspect, and then it turns out "sent".

[Veteran]

Regarding the opinion that other NATO members will not stand up for the outbreak of hostilities, I would like to recall that Nicholas I also did not believe that England, France and southern Italy would actively support Turkey in the Crimean War, but the reality was different. Presumptuousness in such matters is dangerous; all variants of the development of events must be thoroughly probed and taken into account.

[Seal]

England, France and southern Italy will actively participate in the Crimean War

The Sardinian kingdom (or Piedmont-Sardinia or Sardinia-Piedmont) is northern Italy.
And so everything is correct.
It is only necessary to take into account that Chancellor Nesselrode provided information to Nicholas I on political developments in Europe. If he is not a traitor, then it means he was just snickering mu..k.

[Ros 56]

You refused me twice, that's what Erdogan’s infection is. While one, but in rhyme. And we have something to fly on, so they are afraid.

[3vs]

An alarm bell ...
Erdoganishka seems to have decided to go all-in ....

[twincam]

Quote: 3vs

An alarm bell ...
Erdoganishka seems to have decided to go all-in ....

it looks like a Turkish plane will crash somewhere soon.

[barclay]

In addition, representatives of the Syrian Kurds said that Turkey is working to transfer the border line deep into Syrian territory.
This is just blatant aggression, covered with a "fig leaf".

[Obolensky]

And by the way, I spoke earlier and warned. That it’s time for us to stop playing all these games with confidence. So a precedent has been created. Actually, on the basis of this, we can suspend the validity of the contract and withdraw from it in the future. I do not see any positive advantages from the fact that other people's planes fly over our territory. So what if we lose the opportunity to fly over foreign territories ourselves. Are everyone so sure that they will show us something serious enough? All these inspections take place along a pre-planned route and with escort, they will not succeed in waving to the side. Well, why?

Although of course, it is worth us to close our skies and suspend the treaty, as all our ill-wishers will cry out that Russia is an aggressor, is hiding something and plans to capture everyone. Maybe, by the way, some are counting on this ...

Do not flog a fever, you have to wait. We always have time to make our move.

[sharp-lad]

That’s an occasion to send a few inspectors from NATA to Turkey exactly past the Russian territories!

[Gippo]

In principle, nothing terrible happened. Any of the participating countries of the Don has the right to refuse to conduct an observation flight over its territory. Motives? Variety. They are spelled out in the text of the Agreement.
And such cases were: the United States and the Russian Federation once mutually (the United States did not arrange for verification of the equipment of the Russian observation aircraft, and the Russian Federation refused because of a violation of the flight time stipulated by the protocol). Georgia generally unilaterally stopped participating in the Don in relation to the Russian Federation.
Ryzhkov was right in one, NEVER there was a refusal AFTER the arrival of the aircraft with the inspection team on the territory of the inspected state. But I repeat, everything is within the framework of the law and the Treaty itself.
The Turks, for example, could have declared the flight route a "sensitive area" that could threaten their national security. And that's all. You can't do anything.
But scum, of course. Everyone understands why they did this.

[ksv1973]

And what is that? .. For "Calibers" on the territory of the Turkish enemy already have no targets? And you don't need to tell me that Turkey's NATO colleagues will "fit in"! The most they will be able to do is to "express their concern" about Russia's actions.
Unfortunately, a considerable number of Russian citizens remain in Turkey. Tourists and, so to speak, businessmen. Here they, near, will be sorry ...

[Ze Kot]

Previously, "Poplar" was shoved everywhere ... Now they switched to "Caliber" ... Like parrots ... They heard a new word and repeat it right and left ... It's funny ...

[Skifotavr]

Russia must respond in a mirror way, otherwise there will be no respect for it.

[Wolka]

the Turks thereby set up NATO again in a very unsightly position ...

[kg pv]

Quote: kg pv

Quote: AlexTires

If my sclerosis does not change me, then this treaty is valid within the framework of NATO, and if so, then Turkey has not violated it, in the entire bloc. And why should we worry? Since there are no special zones to which flights or seizures are not allowed, a precedent is automatically created and an excuse not to allow NATO to conduct inspection flights over our territory.

They will be disregarded in NAT, they will only say that it concerns Turkey, and in any other places you can fly.

I guessed, NATO said that this is a question for the leadership of Turkey!