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Rockets Don Pedro

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Against the background of the report of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that in 2015, more than 110 billion UAH was spent on the modernization and re-equipment of the Ukrainian army. (equivalent to about 330 billion Russian rubles at the current rate), the political elite of Ukraine told about the introduction of "new types of military equipment" and "financing the latest developments in the defense sector." The report of the main military department "Square" refers to the 18-ti "new models of military equipment", entered into service with the army of Ukraine. After reviewing these indicators, President Poroshenko said he was satisfied with the success, and immediately offered to develop success ...


According to Poroshenko, who spoke at the National Security and Defense Council, the line of the latest military products manufactured by Ukrainian enterprises must be expanded. One of the elements of this “expansion”, according to Poroshenko, should be cruise missiles based on the “developed” project “Neptune”.

It is noteworthy that at the meeting of the National Security Council, which was attended by the ukropresident, despite the announced secrecy of the event, there was a "leak" of information. Apparently, the Ukrainian partners decided to follow the example of the Russian authorities in the sense that a “leak” about new developments should be organized at the very moment when the largest number of journalists are in the meeting room ... In the staff of the main TV channels of the Russian Federation, not so long ago appeared as a drawing of the newest torpedo capable of carrying a nuclear charge, and Kiev decided not to lag behind ... "Leak" from the NSDC session speaks of the "newest super-weapon" of Ukraine, which "is capable of overcoming any anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense ".

Poroshenko entered into a state of euphoria so much that he declared the ability of Neptune’s missiles to overcome the zone of defense of the C-400 complexes.
Of course, it is possible to be ironic about the statements made during the meeting of the NSDC over Poroshenko’s speeches about “overcoming any iron domes”, but it’s better to turn to what is in practice. But in fact - the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that the new complexes will go into service with the army of Ukraine this year. Will such deliveries be made in reality, or is it something from the category of "the submarine fleet of Ukraine must become the elite of the country's naval forces"? The answer to this question lies in the possibilities of the Ukrainian defense industry.

The Ukrainian defense industry has the ability to create high-performance cruise missiles, in fact, there are. Everything depends on the funding and the availability of individual components. There were obvious problems with financing, and also with contacts on the supply of electronic filling, too. Despite the fact that Ukraine did not have capacity for the production of cruise missiles, 10 years ago in Kiev seriously decided to overcome this problem. Received the first funding for these needs, and the process went. The work on the creation of the Borysfen operational tactical missile system (OTRK), which had been in a state of fainting since the 90-s, was reanimated. The work eventually resulted in the design of a multifunctional OTRK "Sapsan", which was conducted on the basis of the company "Southern". From the announced characteristics of the MF OTRK Sapsan, which became a kind of continuation of the “unborn” Borysfen, from 2010:

chassis - KrAZ,
Starting time: from 2 to 20 minutes,
range: BR 30-280 km, Zur 10-150 km, PKR 5-90 km,
SPU weight - 21 ton.


Rockets Don Pedro


In the 2012 year, when the project received the last tranches of funding, it was announced that the work was planned to be completed in the 2016 year. However, it was the funding stop that interrupted all types of project activities. The project was put on the back burner, and then completely and long, for Maidan, ceeurop and all that.

However, this does not mean that such work cannot be resumed, because Ukraine is always ready to help (if help leads to a new confrontation with Russia), a good overseas uncle ...

In September, the prototype of the Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune", which is part of the anti-ship missile system, was presented in Ukraine on 2015.



Rocket, as reported by representatives of the company-developer, has a "container" start. After that, no information about the test or "Sapsan" or "Neptune" from the territory of Ukraine did not come. And here the question arises: can the lack of information about the tests mean that the Maidan authorities managed to “master” the rearmament funds allocated by the above-mentioned overseas uncle, and leave the rearmament itself only in the form of paper “reports” and statements about “very soon introducing a new high precision weapons"? Or, the Maidan authorities decided to move away from the tradition that was familiar to them, even to transfer confidential information to Facebook as soon as such information appears in nature. In connection with the latest trends in the nature of the Maidan authorities, the latter seems unlikely. But after all, for the Maidan authorities, it should not be forgotten, it’s all the same overseas uncle who is free to decide what information to bluff, and which information to hold.

So, even if we assume that all these “Borysfens”, “Sapsans” and “Neptunes” ready for delivery to the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a bluff from the Ukrainian authorities, you know someone from a hint, this does not mean that sitting on the fifth point is exactly side of the border) will not allow "Square" on the basis of funding, you know who, to bring the work to the end. After all, talking about the “Maidan of the brain” and “strengthening marasmus” too has become a habit with the simultaneous (for some reason very deep) conviction that on the other side of the cordon nothing can be done to upgrade the AKM tape with an electrical tape. Even if you keep in mind the idea that “all the same,“ defense ”money in Ukraine is being stolen”, such complacency looks somewhat strange. It is doubly strange, if we consider that the Maidan power, as all recent история "Square", not ready to stop at nothing. And if she really does have a high-speed weapon? - Stop it? That is unlikely...

And President of Ukraine Poroshenko, who was named not Peter, but Pedro in the material of the German newspaper “Bild”, can once again prove that this very Pedro is ready to act as the leader of a team in which “there are a lot of wild monkeys” ...
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  1. izya top
    izya top 4 February 2016 06: 01
    15
    longstanding information request but the topic of volunteers who bought a used ear radar from a fisherman for a country saiga is much wassat
    1. Finches
      Finches 4 February 2016 06: 32
      17
      In the coming decades in Ukraine, as a technocratic state, you can put an end to! Semi-agrarian semi-colony! And no more!
      1. aba
        aba 4 February 2016 06: 46
        14
        But what prevents to give Western aid for their own development? With maydanutyh demand is small.
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 4 February 2016 07: 57
          +9
          Quote: aba
          But what prevents to give Western aid for their own development? With maydanutyh demand is small.

          And this also hinders, everybody is well aware of where the development can "disappear".
          In general, what was created in the USSR was never the intellectual property of a separate republic, and the fact that they have blueprints does not mean that they will immediately be able to create a guidance system equal to or higher than "Kalibrovskaya", for example, Russian resources, they essentially remained Russian , and there are countless examples of this - the same rockets and rocket engines, tanks and machine guns, locators and sonars, helicopters and airplanes, etc. wink
        2. Just me
          Just me 4 February 2016 08: 11
          +8
          Western help in a matter such as technology? And Ukraine? Funny
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 4 February 2016 08: 23
          0
          Quote: aba
          But what prevents giving Western aid for their own development?


          Weird question. To do this, at least brains are needed.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 February 2016 08: 22
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        Semi-agrarian semi-colony! And no more!


        Truly so. Amen.
      3. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 4 February 2016 13: 36
        +2
        It is quite possible to sell drawings of "Pershing" (grades 2,3,4). There was also a rocket-building plant. As a result, US-controlled Ukrainian missiles will appear much closer to Moscow than they have been so far. From this side, Russia has not yet covered itself ...
        1. torp
          torp 5 February 2016 13: 14
          0
          And who will Pershin sell drawings to Persons? Not even of the first grade, all sold Khokhlov immediately changed to the Chinese or anyone else interested in a pack of dead raccoons!
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 4 February 2016 11: 13
      +5
      Quote: izya top
      longstanding information

      Well, not so old. About the missile base in the village of Lyutoye, Sumy region. already heard Colleague? Do you know about the declared range of the rocket? 489 km. yes The floor of Ukraine has already grabbed the compasses and draw circles with a radius of 489 km. with the center in the village of Lyutoye. It is necessary to save Moscow! sad And here you are laughing like a horse in stripes ... fool
      Hello peysonos! drinks
      1. izya top
        izya top 4 February 2016 11: 24
        +7
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        About the missile base in the village of Lyutoye, Sumy region. already heard Colleague? Do you know about the declared range of the rocket? 489 km

        colleague hi the horses themselves write that this is a disorientation of the Muscovites. in fact, they have long been deployed with a range of up to 2500 km and are waiting only for orders to smash the Kremlin. And by the way, they also aimed at the E-burg what
        1. visitork67
          visitork67 4 February 2016 23: 42
          0
          Let them aim in the ass for themselves, so that the brains probably endured.
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 4 February 2016 11: 28
      +3
      This miracle breakthrough in the defense industry in Ukraine is unlikely. A design school and skilled workers quickly disappear, 10 years is a lot, and it is extremely difficult to restore such a potential. And in today's Ukraine, it is most likely impossible. Not to mention the industrial production of the latest designs ...
  2. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 4 February 2016 06: 04
    29
    And President of Ukraine Poroshenko, who was named not Peter, but Pedro in the material of the German newspaper “Bild”, can once again prove that this very Pedro is ready to act as the leader of a team in which “there are a lot of wild monkeys” ...
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 06: 10
    -12 qualifying.
    Yes, it's not that simple. China looks like Europe bends down. "Silk Road" across Ukraine at a loss to China and in support of it. They can supply missing components to the CD.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 4 February 2016 06: 45
      18
      Don't be ridiculous, the "Ukrosilk Way" was invented in the Ruin, not in China, the Ruin also bears the cost of using it, because the cost of transporting a container is at least two times more expensive than through Russia. For China, it is completely equal, the volumes of this "transport artery" are not visible even under a small scope, they are simply negligible.
      1. Telemon
        Telemon 4 February 2016 06: 54
        +4
        Quote: inkass_98
        ... the volumes of this "transport artery" are not visible even under a small scope, they are simply negligible

        But how air from the "free", almost gay-European "Great Power" ... laughing
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 4 February 2016 07: 06
          +4
          Quote: Telemont
          But how air from "free", almost already gay-European "Great Power" ...

          Is he not contagious? And then the Chinese will breathe, God forbid ... Well this is an infection that is worse than all the flu combined - only treat with napalm - antibiotics will not help. And there is something in the "Svidomo" air - could not the whole country go mad at the same time just like that? Spraying something ...
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 10: 55
        +4
        Quote: inkass_98
        Don't be ridiculous, the "Ukrosilk Way" was invented in the Ruin, not in China, the Ruin also bears the cost of using it, because the cost of transporting a container is at least two times more expensive than through Russia. For China, it is completely equal, the volumes of this "transport artery" are not visible even under a small scope, they are simply negligible.


        Yes, honestly, I myself am not funny.
        1. Russia has funded Ukraine with discounts and gas prices .. Now we are curtailing.
        2. Euro grandmother has its own financial problems such that God pass us by. But throwing Ukraine, this suitcase without a handle, is a pity. Visions, fabulous perspectives and sore pokes from across the ocean. And they drew a scheme for the co-financing of Ukraine at the expense of others.
        3. Turkey inserted a condition - "Silk Road" bypassing Russia. A lot of very cheap goods in Europe is not needed, their manufacturers will instantly go bankrupt, and the social status is still that. WTO laws do not approve of barriers. And let the trains roll in a circular path. The transport component is growing, goods become more expensive and make their goods competitive. Chinese money helps democratic regimes.
        4. China is trading for terminals in Lithuania.
        5. China has interests in Ukraine, strain your memory.
        6. China is moving away from dangerous sea lanes. Europe is also for moving away from the influence of the United States with its fleet.
        7. Volumes. There are no volumes now, there is a depth measurement. And in the future, hundreds of millions of tons per year. So much for hee hee. All this will work if not some kind of case.
        8. Hee-hee is good, but it offends me. That ruin Turkey and may understand that the most expensive is stability.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 4 February 2016 13: 09
          0
          The transport component is growing, goods are becoming more expensive and competitive. ,,
          and who needs it. the goods are getting more expensive, and becoming more attractive. do you re-read yourself?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 16: 24
            0
            Quote: kotvov
            The transport component is growing, goods are becoming more expensive and competitive. ,,
            and who needs it. the goods are getting more expensive, and becoming more attractive. do you re-read yourself?

            And you, dear, read carefully and do not pull out of context.
            "The transport component is growing, goods are getting more expensive", whose goods are we talking about? About Chinese, right.
            "make their goods competitive" China's goods become more expensive and whose goods are competitive? Correctly Europe. Fu figured it out. With you a cookie!
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 16: 14
          +1
          in paragraph 3, China, instead of Turkey.
          9. Europe protects Ukraine from our aggression "Silk Road". Yes Yes. If it is not something that will be launched, but some kind of movement begins .. And suddenly we ... China will not like it very much. He is already an ally only in global affairs, "and tobacco apart."
          10. China should have an interest in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. While no steps have been taken, there are no competitors in sight. "Varyag" was built in Nikolaev. Yuzhmash - even if only the walls were left, people and archives are still alive.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 08: 41
      +4
      For free, the Chinese will definitely not do anything.
      And they have areas of interest in Taiwan. They still have Japan there. In Ukraine, they can only buy wheat if the crop can be harvested.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 11: 02
        0
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        For free, the Chinese will definitely not do anything.
        And they have areas of interest in Taiwan. They still have Japan there. In Ukraine, they can only buy wheat if the crop can be harvested.


        You shouldn’t be so. Who said free. Cruise missiles are interesting to everyone and the Chinese too. Joint venture and forth. Independent developments, China has an elemental base of control systems. Find consensus.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 4 February 2016 11: 44
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          For free, the Chinese will definitely not do anything.
          And they have areas of interest in Taiwan. They still have Japan there. In Ukraine, they can only buy wheat if the crop can be harvested.


          You shouldn’t be so. Who said free. Cruise missiles are interesting to everyone and the Chinese too. Joint venture and forth. Independent developments, China has an elemental base of control systems. Find consensus.

          Why do the Chinese do not even have hohlokrylatye missiles themselves, but some developments on them (except for the pictures there is nothing) when China itself has these winged?
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 4 February 2016 13: 11
          0
          Independent operating time, China has an elemental base of control systems. ,,
          what kind of development in FIG? what are you from this madhouse escaped? name the system of Ukrainian cruise missiles?
  4. Hooks
    Hooks 4 February 2016 06: 45
    +9
    Of course, it is better to overdo it, but, in my opinion, the author has already greatly exaggerated. If they produce 10 (100) missiles, then their maximum will be enough for acts of terrorism, because they will not be able to cause significant harm to Russia. Normal PR, no one will give them money.
  5. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 4 February 2016 06: 47
    +7
    As for me, the most important thing in entom business is not to bother the dill dill, they will do everything themselves: they will fill up the project, and cut the loot, and as a result, as in that joke about two glass balls in a hermetically sealed room ... where are the balls fictitious? One broke, the second lost ... well, something like that ...
  6. Neophyte
    Neophyte 4 February 2016 06: 53
    +4
    No wonder Petrushka on his knees begged Mother Merkel to give a weapon or some money?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 February 2016 08: 26
      0
      Quote: Neophyte
      And after all, they will!


      The Europeans are certainly not independent, but they are not crazy.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 4 February 2016 09: 41
        +5
        The Europeans are certainly not independent, but they are not crazy.
        I would not be so sure ........
  7. cobalt
    cobalt 4 February 2016 06: 56
    +2
    The missiles are apparently seasoned with melted lard, and are controlled by the power of thought of Poroshenko, where they dream, they fly there.
  8. CONTROL
    CONTROL 4 February 2016 07: 10
    17
    ... And why did it all go !?
    And all this went from the fact that already 50-60 years ago, our glorious and, in addition, the Communist Party (leading and directing ... and te de) degraded to such an extent that the Rashidovs began to appear in it there and for him similar ... in the district committees, city committees and regional committees "young and daring" (from which in our time "dads Zyu" have grown - irresponsible talkers, masters of juggling with bright slogans and high words about the welfare of the working people ... well, and the people at the same time - it's not the same thing, if that!). As a result - about ... a) Ukraine b) Moldova c) the Baltic states d) the Caucasus (almost all of ...) e) Central Asian republics f) almost - Russia ... and g) the Soviet Union, finally! with - by the way! - Warsaw Pact! to some half a successfully opposed NATO ...
    Now - after the Maidan - it hasn’t entered! ... As a result, the neighbor fattened and pumped up by the Soviet Union is an openly fascist state, not shy to openly declare it, and positioning itself as ideological, political and (!!!) military - not even an enemy - an enemy Russia!
    ... you sow from a holey pocket - not even the wind - a draft; - reap the storm! Which awaits us all, not far away - almost near here, around the corner ...
    (a private conclusion is that one who only once blundered that Russia is an enemy should be wet immediately, without putting off until tomorrow what you can eat and drink today)
  9. qwert
    qwert 4 February 2016 07: 11
    +1
    Yuzhnoye Design Bureau was once the leading in the USSR. So, if they are given money and the opportunity to work, they will be able to create good rockets.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 4 February 2016 07: 25
      +6
      Once upon a time ..
    2. Just me
      Just me 4 February 2016 08: 20
      10
      It was 26 years ago. Since then, a lot of water has flowed away. There are no people. There is no technology.
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 08: 43
      +5
      There, half of the employees were fired and they did not pay salaries.
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 February 2016 08: 47
      +7
      Quote: qwert
      So, if they are given money and the opportunity to work, they will be able to create good rockets.

      the last normal ROCKETERS with their families left Ukraine for Makeevtsy (they are also fans of liquid fuel) immediately after the Maidan, and the last when the benny tried to steer.
    5. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 4 February 2016 09: 07
      +4
      Today, in the Yuzhnoye design bureau, in the opinion of its employees, only the archive remains valuable
      (if not taken out)
      1. Vanko
        Vanko 5 February 2016 01: 15
        +1
        There were rumors that they exported.
        They hid, as they say, under the mattress.
    6. lex locis
      lex locis 4 February 2016 11: 26
      +2
      Quote: qwert
      So, if they are given money and the opportunity to work, they will be able to create good rockets.


      In the drawings, they can draw rockets. But they still need to be done. Pithecanthropus (dill) except a club, can’t hold anything in its paws. And to the experts (real ones), they were already raising their brains (for those who did not get anywhere from somewhere to Europe, Russia, America ...)
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 February 2016 07: 36
    +6
    And named not Peter, but Pedro

    A subtle hint of the Germans that the Brazilian (Ukrainian) series was too long and already pretty tired. It's time to turn off the TV (help and support).
  11. Riv
    Riv 4 February 2016 07: 39
    +7
    Well, will we seriously discuss the nonsense of mentally ill people? What other rockets? In the morning, kefir, in the evening, klystir.
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 4 February 2016 11: 28
      +1
      In the morning, kefir, in the evening, klystir.

      Not! Klystir and wrapping in a wet sheet. (Y. Hasek. Brave soldier Schweik)
  12. isker
    isker 4 February 2016 07: 43
    18
    Quote: qwert
    Yuzhnoye Design Bureau was once the leading in the USSR. So, if they are given money and the opportunity to work, they will be able to create good rockets.


    The real, especially the major experts of the military-industrial complex of dill - people are far from fools, and when Crimea became ours, shifts began in their midst: according to the same Ukrainian media, from all the factories of any importance with highly qualified specialists to Russia 12% of the composition of the top directorate and, most importantly, more than 70% of middle managers moved in!
    so that with any, even the most favorable regime of recreation of the military-industrial complex of dill, nothing shines for it ... what is lost is lost, and in this case - forever!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 08: 45
      +4
      Well, they may find specialists.
      Only business is long and expensive. Not one day all this is done. And they need it now.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 4 February 2016 13: 15
        0
        Well, they can and they will find experts. ,,
        probably the Lithuanians, they would close up such a sprat that the Americans would envy.
  13. Hooks
    Hooks 4 February 2016 08: 42
    12
    Something like that.
  14. Vega
    Vega 4 February 2016 08: 42
    +5
    The project was frozen in Soviet times, since this is a repeat of the SCAD missile in the mobile version, with some modifications.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 February 2016 09: 00
    +4
    What's the point of helping the West to build a missile system? They will still sell it anywhere in China or Korea. In NATO, a bunch of complexes from the 70s, they want to help transfer them. The same is with ATGM, it is not profitable to develop a Ukrainian product, they will give "TOU". passed the party-shoot, did not transfer-do not shoot. And why does Ukraine need a complex? against the EU - no, they want to join it. Against the RF? to stop the Russian Federation (if we attack), it is necessary to release 50-100 missiles (this is immediately at once and then a certain amount at newly discovered targets). Will Ukraine be able to make and maintain so many complexes? And besides the RC, it is necessary to maintain a satellite constellation, long-range UAVs.
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 February 2016 09: 02
    +4
    The “leak” from the NSDC meeting speaks of the “latest superweapon” of Ukraine, which “is capable of overcoming any air defense and missile defense.”


    Fly from one barn to another and fill up the boar. To ukrokakly hunger did not die. laughing
  17. Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf 4 February 2016 09: 05
    +5
    Oh, these Ukrainians! A new catapult project is about to begin! laughing laughing laughing
  18. ankir13
    ankir13 4 February 2016 09: 07
    +4
    Don pedro is a lot and not treba. Maybe the skads can be filled with all kinds of radioactive d-m and yes bullets, especially not aiming, in different directions. Assistants, you know who, may well contribute. And what, charges dirty missiles, and will start to bullet. Enough frostbite. We’ll die, but we’ll hurt everyone. I’m not taking it, I’m ducking it!
  19. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 4 February 2016 09: 09
    +3
    Compare this squalor with Iskander and everything will become clear
  20. Skalpel
    Skalpel 4 February 2016 09: 12
    +3
    That is not a sin for you, dear fellow readers, to laugh at the wretched? :)))) God bless them, and so, poor, deprived of adequacy and brain activity ....
    1. beck
      beck 4 February 2016 10: 20
      +1
      you can expect anything from a fool, he has help.
  21. abcart150
    abcart150 4 February 2016 09: 20
    +4
    They will make that nuclear weapon, now they have invented Neptune. Soon, President Parashenko, in a drunken stupor, will agree on the creation of a fresh Hydrogen bomb. Raguli svidomye completely out of mind survived. Well, nothing, soon the Poles will show them their rightful place in the stall.
  22. Dmitry Ukraine
    Dmitry Ukraine 4 February 2016 09: 33
    +1
    And yet, in my opinion, it is quite possible to agree with the author of the article, if only because the current Maidan authorities in Ukraine are really ready to do anything to keep it, by any means and methods. This means that financial resources for such a development will certainly be found. And this is the main thing now. There is a deep crisis in the country, lack of work and low salaries. Therefore, the opportunity to find a certain number of specialists for this work, who will be paid good (by the standards of Ukraine, of course) money, don Pedro's servants, I think, will be able to. Plus the help of overseas owners. And then, albeit not in the short term, but in a couple of years, some results will be achieved. Such rockets, of course, will not hit the window. But many lives in Donetsk, Horlivka or other cities will be under another threat. The current ukrovlasts have enough "intelligence" for this.
  23. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 4 February 2016 09: 37
    +2
    He smiled about wild monkeys. But I don’t believe that any new missiles will be created. Since the 90s, not a single project has been brought to mind. This "Neptune" will remain unborn, as will "Borisfen" with "Peregrine Falcon".
  24. Batia
    Batia 4 February 2016 09: 39
    +4
    The author of the article reminds us that the enemy should never be underestimated. They blind one flying muck and, taking advantage of our self-confidence, blurt out at some sort of city. It is clear that little will not seem to dill then, but they will be able to ruin human life. WARRIOR! Be vigilant!
  25. beck
    beck 4 February 2016 10: 17
    +2
    Quote: inkass_98
    Don't be ridiculous, the "Ukrosilk Way" was invented in the Ruin, not in China, the Ruin also bears the cost of using it, because the cost of transporting a container is at least two times more expensive than through Russia. For China, it is completely equal, the volumes of this "transport artery" are not visible even under a small scope, they are simply negligible.

    how can transportation through two seas and a number of states (ferries, customs) be more advantageous, transportation by direct route through the territory of one state, where the assembled train follows virtually without stops, from border to border. Moreover, the first test train was launched from 40 wagons (most likely, to fit into ferries), while our letters collect about 80 wagons that cannot be disassembled all the way from point A to point B.
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 4 February 2016 10: 22
    -1
    "Or the Maidan authorities decided to move away from their customary tradition, even to merge classified information on Facebook as soon as such information appears in nature."

    I am sure there are so many of our people there that competent Russian specialists are fully aware of all the nuances of creating this "wunderwafe".
  27. drags33
    drags33 4 February 2016 11: 17
    +6
    When the economy train flies around the ruin (including in the brains) and downhill - to rockets? And even if a prototype rocket is created - at what test site will it be tested? In / in b / u Ukraine there are simply no polygons for such tests. In general, this is not just a bluff from Pedro, it is arrogant Ukrainian lies and manilism in dill!

    PS: By the way, "top-secret" projects of a tram mobile missile complex appeared here in second-hand Ukraine - that's what a daring Ukrop thought is capable of!
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 4 February 2016 18: 27
      0
      Only where are the nuclear charges for this "tram complex".
  28. MarKon
    MarKon 4 February 2016 11: 46
    +2
    it was worthwhile to lightly light up this unmanned atomic torpedo in Russia on purpose, as the entire civilized world shook up in horror. The outskirts also wanted the cotton wool to start up in horror, only this time as in a farce
  29. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 4 February 2016 11: 47
    +2
    Nevertheless, it is necessary to consider the situation in a complex.

    The fact that the production of high-tech weapons in Ukraine was originally a fact. The question is, in which part (materiel itself, documentation and personnel) is this production preserved.

    The fact that Ukraine has a tendency to plunder everything that is possible is also a fact. Moreover, the plundering reached the very bottom; not only allocated funds are stolen by managers of financial flows; comes to dismantling for scrap. For example: by some miracle, some people allocated funds and they reached the addressee undisturbed, but - it turned out - that the workers had ruined the machines that had been stopped at one time.

    Documentation; with a tendency to sell everything that is bought, it may very well be that all working documentation for projects is not just sold abroad, but sold in such a way that there are no copies left.

    In general, were they trained in Ukraine or not? or are they going to get along with retirees? Considering how they have been cut recently, there should be few of them.

    So you have to wait for real tests.

    The possibility of producing the developed, for example "Stronghold"also raises doubts.
  30. Belousov
    Belousov 4 February 2016 12: 31
    +1
    The missiles will not reach anywhere, most likely they will simply throw off the NATO-US junk that is being written off, as in the case of rumors about the transfer of decommissioned American warships to Ruin.
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 4 February 2016 18: 31
      0
      It is unlikely that when Canada transferred the F-18 fighters to the Ukrainians, they said that there was no money for maintenance and abandoned them.
  31. kirgudu
    kirgudu 4 February 2016 12: 41
    0
    It is quite possible this will be some not very new Geyropeyskie or Tang missiles.
  32. Filing
    Filing 4 February 2016 12: 52
    +3
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    There, half of the employees were fired and they did not pay salaries.

    I spoke with one of the former employees of Yuzhny. It conveyed the impression of how documentation was sold to China, in addition to a trip of the best documentation implementation specialists in China.
  33. cheguevarazhiv
    cheguevarazhiv 4 February 2016 13: 15
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    Quote: Hooks
    Of course, it is better to overdo it, but, in my opinion, the author has already greatly exaggerated. If they produce 10 (100) missiles, then their maximum will be enough for acts of terrorism, because they will not be able to cause significant harm to Russia. Normal PR, no one will give them money.

    Yes, even 10 missiles to do this, you know, not ten shells for a cannon to release. And storage bases, target designation and reconnaissance systems, deployment sites and other infrastructure ... All this is too expensive ... No one will invest money in this. Help with technology too. To pass off the West's developments for their missiles ... is fraught, since it is impossible to completely remove the manufacturer's signs and, when applied, they will "float". And does the West need it? I think they are quite satisfied with the situation in 2014 with the Armed Forces of Ukraine armed a la 80s and half-trained meat, since they successfully solve all the tasks set before them by the Masters.
  34. vvp2412
    vvp2412 4 February 2016 13: 59
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    The author himself gives an answer to the question that he asks later!
    To develop missile systems, you need to be a "business executive", a patriot of the country, and take care of its protection ..
    But, what for of TROshenko and Co. are business executives !? Their task is to ruin the economy, get loans, plunder these loans, and leave the country like a rag. The IMF gives loans not for the development of the economy, but for its destruction. Because such draconian conditions and sets ...
    Therefore, no one will invest money in development. Grandmas will just steal, as they do now!
    And when the time comes to blame them, they set off the evening horse before the morning storm!
  35. Normal ok
    Normal ok 4 February 2016 14: 47
    0
    I found it on the topic:
    http://inosmi.ru/military/20160129/235215531.html
  36. Normal ok
    Normal ok 4 February 2016 14: 59
    +2
    I asked myself why s. Fierce, Sumy region? It turns out that the 43rd Missile Division (disbanded in 1992) was stationed there during the Soviet era, but the infrastructure remained. Remained a communications center, a computing center and some support services. Apparently they decided to reanimate.
  37. Simple
    Simple 4 February 2016 18: 00
    +2
    Quote: Author
    Rockets Don Pedro

    weakenka article. Huch, would have attached pictures .. wink
    Thunder rocket model and solid-fuel stage


    Public data of the complex "Thunder".


    Missile guidance methods, Ukrainian developers did not disclose only by specifying that the accuracy of "Thunder" is at the world level, for which a whole complex of high-precision means is used. In any case, Dnepropetrovsk engineers have vast experience in creating missiles that hit right on target even after flying 10 thousand kilometers. belay

    In fact, the Yuzhny design bureau already has electronic inertial guidance systems, when the rocket itself calculates its flight. "Relief" guidance, when the computer compares the laid down map with the terrain under the missile, as well as radar, for example, if it is necessary to destroy an air defense system object. It also cannot be ruled out, especially given the cooperation with the United States, the use of high-precision satellite navigation.

    In fact, the Yuzhny design bureau already has electronic inertial guidance systems, when the rocket itself calculates its flight. "Relief" guidance, when the computer compares the laid down map with the terrain under the missile, as well as radar, for example, if it is necessary to destroy an air defense system object. It also cannot be ruled out, especially given the cooperation with the United States, the use of high-precision satellite navigation.

    If we assume that the launch range of the Grom missile launcher is still 500 kilometers, then one can at the same time recall that, for example, from the center of the village of Lyutoye in the Sumy region to the Kremlin is 466 kilometers.

    How!

    "Kite", wings spread





    1. Simple
      Simple 4 February 2016 18: 04
      +1
      For the Korshun, Zaporozhye Motor Sich prepared the MS-400 engine, which is similar in its characteristics to the P95-300 engine, while being 50 kg lighter. It should be noted that the P95-300 engine is used in the Kh-55 and Kh-555 cruise missiles. And also in the newest Russian rocket Kh-101, there is a "technological reserve" of 2 thousand kilometers

      Calculation of the launch range from the Kharkov region, in the case of using the "technological backlog" of 2000 km
      .

      multifunction chassis KrAZ-7634 NOT.
  38. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 4 February 2016 18: 38
    +1
    To penetrate the Russian missile defense system, a large number of such complexes are needed in combination with electronic warfare, radar and satellite reconnaissance systems. Ukraine has no satellites, and the electronic warfare and radar facilities (if any) are outdated. So all these "Thunders" and "Neptunes" are toys, because before launching such missiles you need to know where to launch, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have satellite reconnaissance.
  39. Old26
    Old26 4 February 2016 21: 27
    0
    Quote: Just
    For the Korshun, Zaporozhye Motor Sich prepared the MS-400 engine, which is similar in its characteristics to the P95-300 engine, while being 50 kg lighter. It should be noted that the P95-300 engine is used in the Kh-55 and Kh-555 cruise missiles. And also in the newest Russian rocket Kh-101, there is a "technological reserve" of 2 thousand kilometers

    Only it is not clear, where does the engine and the technological reserve of 2000 km? Flight range primarily depends on the amount of fuel
    1. Simple
      Simple 5 February 2016 13: 10
      0
      The range depends on the specific fuel consumption, those of the engine.
      The volume of TB is almost the same. It is in the dimensions of an ax. Beach mass is described.
      Conclusion: range depends on only
  40. Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 5 February 2016 12: 41
    0
    Selyuki during the breaks between digging gardens and cleaning needies will make rockets. DIE.