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The city with the Russian name prevented the Tajik authorities from "returning the country to cultural roots"

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Tajikistan, having decided to follow the path of renewing research in the field of the peaceful atom (on the “Military Review” not so long ago went material on the plans of Dushanbe in this area), he considered that there is an obstacle that will hinder the state in the development of nuclear technologies. This “obstacle”, as it now turns out, turned out to be the Russian name of the city, which at one time became the real cradle of the entire atomic industry of the Soviet Union. We are talking about a settlement with a population of about 32 thousand people, who until recently was called Chkalovsk.


By the 70 anniversary of the city (and it was founded in 1946 at the Leninabad Mining and Chemical Combine as a center for the extraction of uranium ores), the authorities of the Republic of Tajikistan decided to make a very unique gift to the citizens. The government of the republic published a document signed by President Emomali Rahmon, and in this document it was written in black and white that it was not good for Tajik cities to have foreign names ... Chuklovsk renamed Buston with the decision of the Supreme Lord of Tajikistan, which, as noted, is responsible “A policy of returning to cultural roots and the use of national toponymy”.

The city with the Russian name prevented the Tajik authorities from "returning the country to cultural roots"


Traction to the national toponymy in relation to even those settlements that were founded during the Soviet era, from which independent Tajikistan eventually “grew up”, it should be said, the republic did not show up yesterday. In fact, simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR and total persecution of the Russian population of Tajikistan, Tajik “jumps” (analogous to modern Ukrainian) began, when the authorities of the country thought that “Sovietism and Russianism” in names and surnames prevent people from striving for democracy ... Take at least Rakhmonov’s transformation into Rakhmon, which clearly deepened the cultural roots of the entire Tajik people ...

If in 1989, almost 390 thousands of Russians (about 8% of the population) lived on the territory of the republic, today the number of Russians in the republic (after mass persecutions in 90) has decreased to about 40 thousands (0,6%). More than tenfold decrease in the number of Russian residents, if we talk about the percentage! At the same time, the number of Tajiks who decided to designate the Russian Federation as the place of their labor activity increased dozens, if not hundreds. And for some reason, the absence of Tajik toponyms on the Russian map doesn’t prevent ethnic Tajiks from finding a job in Russia ... But the presence of Chkalovsk, which until recently remained the last undocumented settlement of Tajikistan, caused an urgent need for the authorities of the country to “return to cultural roots” ".

In principle, it is possible to dismiss Emomali Rakhmon’s decision, stating that this is an internal affair of Tajikistan. In principle, this is indeed an internal affair of Tajikistan. But it was not only too often that Russia dismissed such “internal affairs”, which in the end brought about major problems for Russia itself. Moreover, the authorities of the Central Asian state on this background, such as, are positioning the republic as the southern ally of the Russian Federation.

Russia waved away when hundreds of thousands of Russians literally, under the fear of reprisals, were expelled from “looking for a democratic path” of Tajikistan, when they were forced to give up their homes and jobs, finding themselves in a completely new place for themselves - without shelter. There are still quite a few cities in Russia where there are entire neighborhoods (if a set of barracks-barrels or cabins can be called a neighborhood) inhabited by Russian settlers from the same Tajikistan. People live in terrifying conditions not even for years, but for decades. Someone managed to find a job and break out of these “favels”, while others still have to huddle in the 10-meter half-comforter, in which only an electrical outlet, and even a danger, comes from amenities snow and rain ...

Village "KHOKO" (Borisoglebsk, Voronezh region):





So Chkalovsk in Tajikistan is no longer Chkalovsk. But this city was the place where uranium was developed, thanks to which it was possible to create not only the first atomic reactor in the USSR, but also the first Soviet atomic bomb. In other words, this city could remain a kind of historical and technological bridge between the two countries, all the more so in Tajikistan they declare inviting Russian specialists in the field of atomic energy to the country for the mentioned project to restore the program “peaceful atom of Tajikistan”.

That is, the Russians (and in fact thousands of specialists of the highest level worked in Tajikistan) were first deliberately expelled from the republic, and now they decided to invite them back, but at the same time so that nothing reminds of any cultural and technological ties between Tajikistan and Russia. Interestingly, the Russian names of the invited specialists will not have a negative impact on the process of "returning to cultural origins in Tajikistan"? ..

Well, okay, the peak of Communism is now the peak of Ismoil Somoni (Samani), but Chkalov didn’t please ...
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  1. Totalwar
    Totalwar 4 February 2016 06: 12
    56
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.
    1. Cormorants
      Cormorants 4 February 2016 06: 50
      40
      Yes, such "allies" from time immemorial understood only strength!
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 4 February 2016 12: 47
        -22 qualifying.
        Yes, such "allies" from time immemorial understood only strength!

        Well, are we recording Tajikistan as enemies? What will we impose sanctions? Rahmon equal with Erdoganomi and Obama? All the same, #bump in the back.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 4 February 2016 13: 19
          -13 qualifying.
          Are there many cities in Russia with foreign names?
          1. Zankish
            Zankish 4 February 2016 13: 26
            11
            St. Petersburg
            1. Siberian 1975
              Siberian 1975 4 February 2016 22: 23
              +1
              Tolyatti, Turinsk.
              1. Dilshat
                Dilshat 4 February 2016 22: 41
                -1
                So there it is! Now it’s clear why the cars produced in Togliatti are called Tazami. Around are symbols. Togliatti was certainly a great friend of the Soviet Union, but it was worth calling his name only a street in several cities but not a whole city.
          2. dali
            dali 4 February 2016 15: 10
            17
            Quote: Mahmut
            Are there many cities in Russia with foreign names?

            Have many cities, such as Chkalovsk in the USSR, been built by foreign states?

            Besides ... Chkalovsk unless the state (USSR) built and raised at home ?!
            And Chkalov was not the hero of the whole USSR ?!
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 4 February 2016 18: 08
              -3
              Have many cities, such as Chkalovsk in the USSR, been built by foreign states?

              So, after all, Chkalovsk was not building a foreign state. Well, if you decide to move the arrows to another topic, then you have the following question:

              And in how many cities of Russia over the past 20 years are foreign citizens engaged in construction? And are there among them ungrateful Tajiks?
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 4 February 2016 19: 51
                +2
                Quote: Mahmut
                And in how many cities of Russia over the past 20 years are foreign citizens engaged in construction? And are there among them ungrateful Tajiks?

                There was a trend recently among Tajiks to remove the ending "s" from surnames, BUT having arrived in Russia to earn money, they encountered such a nuisance as constant confusion where is the name where the surname? In short, problems began - starting with the migration services, ending with schools, as a result, the fashion for changing surnames quickly passed ... and many changed back.
              2. dali
                dali 4 February 2016 21: 00
                +1
                Quote: Mahmut
                And in how many cities of Russia over the past 20 years are foreign citizens engaged in construction? And are there among them ungrateful Tajiks?

                Excellent what they said - here and list the cities of Russia, where:
                1) Tajiks are building ...
                2) Who do these Tajiks work in this construction?
                3) And how many cities are there in Russia?
          3. Slobber
            Slobber 4 February 2016 18: 18
            0
            Are there many cities in Russia with foreign names?

            Tuva, Ukhta, Perm. And small and completely without an account.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 4 February 2016 19: 19
              +2
              Quote: razgildyay
              Tuva, Ukhta, Perm.

              And to which foreign countries do the names of these cities belong?
        2. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 20: 44
          +2
          When were they friends?
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    3. Gunxnumx
      Gunxnumx 4 February 2016 07: 27
      11
      It is not necessary to cut one size fits all, dear. Kazakhs are loyal allies. Although I myself hate some of the "maneuvers" of our government.
      See https://news.mail.ru/politics/24728212/?frommail=1
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 February 2016 07: 49
        55
        Quote: Gun70
        You don’t have to cut everyone under one comb, dear. Kazakhs are faithful allies.

        You are already used to the word Baikonyr? I'm somehow more used to to Baikonur, and even more - to Leninsk.

        I had a chance to go there in Soviet times, I saw who built sites, who lived in Leninsk, who lived in Tyuratam. And what does Kazakhstan have to do with Leninsk after that? ... Kazakh territory? So this is also how to say. Do not forget who and when drew Kazakhstan on the map. Unless, of course, you do not take seriously the Kazakh "academicians Fomenko" about 2300 years of Kazakh statehood ...

        Of course, against the background of Ukraine and the Baltic states, Kazakhstan is a faithful ally, but if you think about it without looking at these rabid ones, then everyone knows how many Russians left Kazakhstan in the 90s and why.

        I ask you not to consider me an enemy of Kazakhstan, simply, for example, the Austrians in the 90s told how they launched the Friedman cable factory in Kazakhstan and why they could not really start it ... Yes, and he stopped fishing on Kushum precisely with the beginning of Kazakh sovereignty. And for the same reason.
        1. baudolino
          baudolino 4 February 2016 08: 28
          32
          Faithful allies are the army and navy. And then - with due regard to them. And everything else is politics. Someone can, for example, guarantee that in a hundred years the Syrians will not spit in the direction of Russia? Hardly...
          1. Jager
            Jager 4 February 2016 19: 07
            +1
            Pi the current situation is good if they remembered at least 5 years later ...
        2. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan 4 February 2016 09: 05
          70
          To the point.
          He left for Siberia from Karaganda. All because of the forced coercion to learn a language that has no culture (a lot of words are completely absent from the ones needed in modern times.), Attempts to carry out delusional improvements in the wake of euphoria from freedom (I still remember the predatory look of a Kazakh teacher on a full class of Russians / Ukrainians / Germans ... her triumph in the voice that now even abbreviations will be translated and BMW will sound differently), there is no future (what's the point of the language that 12-15 million people speak from all over the world?).
          The mother was expelled from the police because her eyes were not narrow. The government has been trying to take the father away from business for several years.

          In me with such a genocidal policy, Kazakhstan has lost a highly qualified IT developer. I could successfully work there and support that country. However, now I will pay taxes in Russia. For my house collapsed in 1991. And the Russian Federation gave it to me again.
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 13: 59
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            In me with such a genocidal policy


            Whoa whoa, you sir suffered, don’t misinterpret, the genocide is the Indians and Negroes, in the sense that the Americans did to them, as they were reduced. Against this background, no Russian mass destruction was recorded in Kazakhstan in droves, for the entire time we lived together, we lived in the same city and we go to the same school. Why pour water on the mill of liberals sowing seeds of discord?
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 5 February 2016 06: 48
              +1
              After a pistol was put to my temple in the courtyard ... from which only a car with cops drove out from around the corner saved it, I see genocide. Why? Because none of the many friends had seen or knew the "Russian crusades." And they were on us. Among my then entourage:
              - pursuit to the house and beating with the selection of a bag with a laptop, a cell phone / money and head injuries (beaten with shoes directly on the head lying down)
              - rape and forced pregnancy of a classmate
              - killing another friend of mine

              Speaking of the cops that saved me - they didn’t even take the gopars and they didn’t draw up a protocol. They just told them that this quarter is not worth doing. All!!!
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 7 February 2016 13: 52
                -3
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                Once in the yard to my temple put a gun ...
                No crap repeat ?! Pampers hope put on ..
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                And we were on. Among my environment at that time:
                Sick on the head, what can I say. Crime is a characteristic feature of Karaganda. And Maykuduk is known all over Kazakhstan. My cousin recently studied there in honey. She was grabbed in broad daylight, despite the fact that she was a Kazakh .. And she told me that this is how they do it regularly .. I myself was almost trampled by young in the center of the city near the monument to the primary targets. Samoye funny before you hit a Kazakh guy belay congratulated on Palm Sunday .. laughing I now take an example from you and shout about genocide, nerd ?!
                There was another case when a drunken cattle attacked me. One Russian and one Kazakh. So tell me, intellectual, should I write now that I was "genocidal" by Russians or Kazakhs? what
          2. kuz363
            kuz363 4 February 2016 14: 46
            -12 qualifying.
            You obviously are exaggerating. The fact that children need to learn Kazakh in schools, as well as English, is that bad? Over in Turkey, many residents speak several languages ​​- Turkish, Russian, English, often German. I worked at an oil organization when they began to introduce bilingualism in paperwork - Russian and Kazakh. As a result, I had to spend 2 times more paper. Plus, translators have time to translate into Kazakh, because our technicians (Kazakh girls) could not translate a complex technical text. And we ourselves went to organized courses of the Kazakh language during working hours, 2 hours a week. In the spring they passed exams (though they didn’t affect anything). Summer vacations, after which much was forgotten. And in the fall they went to teach again. So everything is fine, there is no discrimination.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 14: 56
              +6
              Quote: kuz363
              Over in Turkey, many residents speak several languages ​​- Turkish, Russian, English, often German.

              Well, with the Turks, that’s understandable, they need English, Russian and German to work.
              Quote: kuz363
              The fact that children need to learn Kazakh in schools, as well as English, is that bad?

              What good is that? Russian is native, English is international, but why, instead of some other international (Spanish, for example, or French), for some reason, nobody needs the local Kazakhstani request
              1. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 15: 13
                +8
                Quote: Mr. PIP
                for some reason, it’s not clear to anyone who needs the local Kazakhstani

                Local, well, in Kazakh, you can talk with Kyrgyz, Uzbek, northern regions, with Azerbaijanis, Meskhetian Turks, with Tatar or Bashkirs, and maybe with Altaians (loosely speaking) there are Shors and so on ... the Turkic-speaking population. Of course, it’s easier not to communicate with them in Turkic dialects and act like the British, colonialism is the same as not right! smile , in English, sorry, in the language of the mother country ...
                So there is a postcryptum, there are relatives in Germany, they lived in the South of KAZAKHSTAN, the old generation speak Kazakh fluently, they help communicate with the Turks, although there are 10-20% of the common language. There is still a niece, strange by her native, now she knows Kazakh , French and Italian plus English. As there is a child prodigy, well, there is the last course of chemical faculty left and there is already a place in BASF, I remember the cassettes. smile
                1. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 15: 31
                  12
                  Quote: marshes
                  in Kazakh, you can speak with the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, northern regions, with Azerbaijanis, Meskhetian Turks, with Tartars or Bashkirs, and maybe with Altaians (loosely speaking) there are Shors and so on ... the Turkic-speaking population.

                  Enchanting answer, what prevents me from talking to all of them in Russian, since all educated people know him there? fellow
                  And yes, talking with Kyrgyz in Kazakh is just as successful as in Bulgarian laughing
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 4 February 2016 15: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Mr. PIP
                    And yes, talking with Kyrgyz in Kazakh is just as successful as in Bulgarian

                    Actually, I often speak Kazakh, if you take into account that I am a half-breed, with the Kyrgyz, I buy something in Bishkek, but I go on vacation to Kyrgyzstan. Yes, there are relatives. According to the census of 1910. Dulatas included 90% of the Kazakh population of Bishkek, Pishpek, Frunze ...
                    1. Talgat
                      Talgat 4 February 2016 17: 09
                      +3
                      It seems to me that here it is necessary to approach without excessive emotions - from the perspective of current realities and pragmatism

                      That is, that is, the traitors Gorbachev Yeltsin and others destroyed our common homeland of the USSR

                      The external adversary - the United States in the first place - did everything. what to quarrel with fragments of the republic. They succeeded with the Baltic states, Georgia and Ukraine with Moldova.

                      But the Central Asian republics have a population and governments most loyal to the Russian Federation

                      I must admit. that in the Central Asian republics the population voted almost 100% for the preservation of the USSR in perestroika. and according to all polls in recent years (only recently read Bolshakov's "Island of Russia" - Gallup conducted population polls in 2009) 90 and more percent of people in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and even in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan support Russia and its foreign policy

                      I must admit that the Eurasian Union is still moving along the path of integration - a lot of work has been done to unify the legislation, the Customs Union has already switched to the EAC format, people will receive 4 of freedom (movement and residence of people, movement of goods and finances, services) - which, in fact, for the common man is the erasure of unnecessary borders, the new republics have joined the RF of Belarus and Kazakhstan - this is Kyrgyzstan and Armenia

                      In general, the Eurasian idea is the strongest - how many times did the Eurasian empires die - but like a bird the Phoenix (Samruk, according to the Kazakh counterpart) revived even more powerful

                      I think we should not pay attention to the "pricks" and continue our common cause - the restoration of Eurasia as a common economic and military association in the interests of all its inhabitants - and Russians. and Tajiks and us and everyone else
                      1. Nosgoth
                        Nosgoth 4 February 2016 17: 30
                        +7
                        your advice goes through the woods.

                        Russians were driven out of the Central Asian republics in the 90s not by politicians, but by their "friendly neighbors" - ordinary citizens. But now they simply impudently climb into Russia to "earn extra money." What, their brains were not enough to "make up" for the lost and build a "Garden of Eden without annoying Russians"?
                      2. Mr. Pip
                        Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 18: 08
                        +7
                        Quote: Nosgoth
                        Russians were driven out of the Central Asian republics in the 90s not by politicians, but by their "friendly neighbors" - ordinary citizens.

                        Yes, that's right.
                        But for the glory of objectivity, many and many other "benevolent neighbors" hid them and helped them. request
                        Again, who were the most important "nationalists" at that time, and ordinary criminals like our "brothers" in the 90s, who simply came to power under the guise of "nationalist" ideas, pursuing exclusively personal gain request
                      3. lukke
                        lukke 4 February 2016 22: 35
                        +1
                        Russians were driven out of the Central Asian republics in the 90s not by politicians, but by their "friendly neighbors" - ordinary citizens.
                        There they were ALREADY not needed, and in Russia no one else was waiting for them. Only now the vector begins to change.
                  2. Nosgoth
                    Nosgoth 4 February 2016 17: 25
                    +5
                    Paraphrase the classics

                    "You can take a person out of an aul, but an aul cannot be taken out of a person"
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 4 February 2016 17: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Nosgoth
                      "You can take a person out of an aul, but an aul cannot be taken out of a person"

                      I rent apartments, strange "zays" after the city, not jelly after the aul. Of course, it's easy to understand, nor the dignity of washing the bathroom. after myself, I'm crying money ... laughing
                      My Zhinka, I can milk a cow and a goat, and the house is in order. And before that, socks stick to the floor. smile
                    2. terro
                      terro 4 February 2016 21: 26
                      +1
                      Absolutely right. Why not? When renting a hotel room, do you wash the window panes leaving it?
            2. user
              user 4 February 2016 18: 24
              -3
              there are Shors, etc. ... by the Turkic-speaking population


              Honestly, I doubt that the Tuvins, Khakasses, Shors will support you in this (the Turkic peoples worry you). But it’s foolish to even recall the Russian population, because you have your own truth.
              1. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 18: 36
                0
                Quote: user
                Honestly, I doubt that the Tuvins, Khakasses, Shors will support you in this (the Turkic peoples worry you).

                Yes, there is no need to doubt it, at one time they were part of the Dzungarian, Kalmyk, army. But history has shown itself strangely. At the moment, they can be attributed to endangered peoples, there is no people, there is no way to deprive Russians of a language. laughing By the way, Novosibirsk has an institute that write the "last exclamations" of the small Turkic peoples.
                Yes, their life is like that, they could be a community, as the people survived. This is among the Kazakhs, the TOLENGIT-Mongolian clan is the genus, they don’t have any relation to the Turks. Well, we live as our own, as well as a different kind.
                What kind of look, but what would it not be, living on close relatives of the family. As we look closely, we will sometimes marry Germans laughing .
                1. user
                  user 5 February 2016 12: 05
                  0
                  Yes, there’s no need to doubt it


                  But how is it not necessary, if in the beginning of the 90s part of the residents of the Kosh-Agachsky region of Gorny Altai moved to Kazakhstan, and then ran back. It turned out that there they are not the right Turkic speakers. I am generally silent about Tuva, in some Samagaltai or Shagonar, I don’t even say p Kyzyl, say something like that. The local people (and, interestingly, young animals) will beat hard and for a long time that you will say an increased national identity, and indeed the descendants of the Genghisites do not see you at their level. You are no more shepherds for them (do not be offended, it’s not me, but they think so).
                  And with disagreements of this kind, that among the Altai, Khakass, Tuvans, that with you, that with neighboring nationalities - a wagon and a small cart.
        3. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 20: 47
          +5
          In Turkey, children do not know much else.
          How is it with the teaching of the exact sciences, are there any Turks - Nobel laureates, are there any prominent scientists?
        4. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan 5 February 2016 06: 54
          -1
          At the moment I "live" in Russian, "work" in English (software customers from Australia). So, there is the so-called rationality (when it is rationality, not feelings, that rules the ball). Why am I calm about Russian / English? Because they are "strong" languages. Kazakh is a weak and worthless language. The times of local cultures are over. The world has become "closer", "shorter", "faster". Now there is no such luxury as doing something of little use. I have not heard a single serious technological treatise in the Kazakh language. There is none of them. There is no need to teach him. You need strong languages ​​with flexible communication.
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      3. Arbogast
        Arbogast 4 February 2016 16: 30
        +6
        Quote: S-Kerrigan
        Mother expelled from police because her eyes are not narrow
        Fuck, and the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Lieutenant General Bozhko Vladimir Karpovich, has rather narrow eyes repeat ?!
        1. marshes
          marshes 4 February 2016 16: 43
          +1
          Quote: Arbogast
          Arbogast

          Yes, do not tell a fig, all previously whom they could have shown, a fellow countryman.
          Bozhko, figs with him, Ukrainian. Here is a Schoolboy, with an oil refinery in the Russian Federation or Kulain, where his face is among the 12 apostles, that's cool. laughing And how many genes. There are no directors in circulation in the Baku region. If you publish, the bulls will come true. It’s ridiculous, but the Kazakhs will not become richer anyway. There are generally companies that smell like racism, not just one Kazakh even in the form of a janitor, Almaty, by the way it is apple-like, it was before all their forts of Ili then the Faithful, and Talgar was generally under 1500 years old, 15 km. from the Small Village. laughing
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            1. xorgi
              xorgi 4 February 2016 19: 05
              +4
              Arbogast
              1. I don’t need a boy to look for links, I heard all these national-Kazakh feces from 90 to 94 with my own ears
              2. do not pull the phrases out of context, I spoke specifically about the nineties, now Nazyrbay is ready to lick all Russian asses if only they would not leave
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 6 February 2016 00: 48
                +1
                Quote: xorgi
                2. do not pull the phrases out of context, I spoke specifically about the nineties, now Nazyrbai is ready to lick all Russian ass just not to leave

                What I wrote above. In the mid-90s, the Austrians built a cable plant for Friedman in Kazakhstan. That is, the Austrians provided a smelly technology (who would give them such a stink in the center of Europe - tricresol!), And the Russians built it. And then the growth of Kazakh identity began and the Russians left. The Austrians tried to drive the enameled wire with the Kazakhs - and it goes defective, non-standard. The Austrians tell them, like, nobody will buy your wire in Europe, it is non-standard, and they answer that they will introduce their own, Kazakh standards ...

                I heard this story from the Austrians themselves. I don’t remember where the plant is - either in Chimkent or in Karaganda ...

                PS Our people laughed here for a long time, but the Austrians did not understand what was funny when they said that the owner of the plant, "Kazakh Fridman", was there. They are used to the fact that if they live in Austria, then they are Austrian. So, they thought, if Kazakhstan is Kazakh ... And Fridman too. laughing
      4. the most important
        the most important 4 February 2016 19: 22
        +4
        Quote: S-Kerrigan
        The mother was expelled from the police because her eyes were not narrow. The government has been trying to take the father away from business for several years.

        You can not believe it .. BUT !!! Kazakhs surprisingly began to survive the Russians in Russia from the police.
    4. Roy
      Roy 4 February 2016 10: 12
      12
      Damn the Leninist-Bolshevik "national policy" that cut the body of a united Russian Empire into dozens of artificially created republican and autonomous territorial entities, and even with the right to secede some from the state. And as a result, 1991 was the tragedy of millions of Russian people who ended up in their own native land as foreigners. This is especially true of the Russian people who have lived for centuries in the territories of present-day Eastern and Southern Ukraine and Northern and Eastern Kazakhstan (Southern Siberia). This is an unhealed wound for our entire people.
      1. Kim Klimov
        Kim Klimov 4 February 2016 10: 19
        +7
        Looking at this narcissistic drunken face in the photo, one can agree that it is really worthless for Tajiks like him to keep foreign names ... only their own - Rakhmonovbad.
      2. avt
        avt 4 February 2016 10: 44
        13
        Quote: Roy
        Damn the Leninist-Bolshevik "national policy" that cut the body of a united Russian Empire into dozens of artificially created republican and autonomous territorial entities, and even with the right to secede some from the state.

        You make your verdict with no idea at all about the logic of decision making. Firstly, Lenin is a pragmatist to the marrow of his bones and the Bolsheviks sacredly believed and created their ideology / religion on the basis of INTERNATIONALISM, according to which, in general, give a damn about the nation and according to which his pale followers in this ideology tried to bring out not just a new people, but only, a new community - the Soviet people "; Secondly - the parade of sovereignty, which EBN repeated -" Take as much sovereignty as you want ", that is, in fulfillment of the postulate," it is not enough to take power, it must be kept "" seriously and for a long time " if your opponent is fighting for a united and indivisible Russia, then he will slip the red nationalist rooster the very thing. What the Bolsheviks did later; Thirdly, even leaving the union republics, the same Stalin, who could easily change at least for autonomous ones, did not bother with legal formulations, as many are now looking for some kind of cunning law, the adoption and writing of which all at once will decide, but gaze at the root - "cadres decide everything." Look and find out how many national leaders he shot quite specifically, and even with the wording "Polish spy", over which the "perestroichniki" scoffed. "And the casket was opened simply, those who were reassured in Katyn, well, senior intelligence officers, gendarmerie, general staff of Poland, were engaged in the Promethean movement - inciting nationalism in the USSR, and so successfully that the agents created by the Poles were used by the Germans when they seized the lists, or maybe the proud Poles simply handed them over. Today, the US also play in this clearing, and apart from the autonomies, they are quite groping for "Siberians", Pomors "and other natives of different" Cossacks. " wassat So before you once again carry out the message of the Bolshevik anthem in the part - "our indignant mind boils", try to cool it down and "Behold," according to the behest of "Kuzma Prutkov".
        1. Nikita Gromov
          Nikita Gromov 4 February 2016 11: 31
          +5
          Do not cool, do not cool, but the Leninist-Bolshevik national-territorial cluster bomb detonated so that it tore our country into torn parts. And the current liberal leadership in the Kremlin is not going to collect it again. especially where Russian people live. An example of this is with New Russia.
          1. avt
            avt 4 February 2016 12: 10
            +5
            Quote: Nikita Gromov
            Do not cool, do not cool, but the Leninist-Bolshevik national-territorial cluster bomb detonated so that it tore our country into torn parts.

            request The hike is not treated and are ready to chew ANY chewing gum without thinking through the media. Well, since the imperial flag has been hung - read what titles the emperors were called, in spite of the provincial administrative division and the introduction of national elites into the imperial one, up to the approach to the throne, in addition to Velikaya Belya, Maliya .. "Cadres decide everything" and in the USSR with the liquidation In the Transcaucasian republics, after the system of bailouts and counterbalances of the party apparatus and punitive bodies built by Stalin, equilibrium was achieved, and legally, the secession from the USSR was really arranged like this - you will torment yourself to swallow dust. But the collapse was carried out precisely through the top management, and the GKChP was, in addition to the fact that in fact it turned out to be a provocation in view of the cadre who carried it out, an attempt to prevent the creation of the same CIS by saving for the humped cabinet in the Kremlin.
            Quote: Nikita Gromov
            An example of this is with New Russia.

            Hike adept of the "Strelka" -Girkin sect? "Putin - bring in troops"? Then a couple of phrases in the commentary are indispensable for getting out of the sect. Especially if you do not want to understand a simple fact - the Moiseyevs' tablets still were not carried out by his pioneers taken out of Egypt, and he cleaned the personnel who disagreed better than Stalin - he buried them alive in the ground. ANY written tablets WILL NOT be executed by themselves, even though you try to blame Lenin or anyone. Nikolashka fucked up the Empire without "autonomies and union republics" without any Lenin, who was sitting in Switzerland and longingly telling his comrades-in-arms that he would stir up the revolution in the next 10-20 years! This is despite the fact that the active part of the Bolshevik leadership in Russia itself is generally I was exiled! And just then and business that - stupidly did not cope with the placement of personnel in the "power block" and enforcement, regardless of the ranks, merits and kinship, the laws of this very Empire.
          2. Petrol
            Petrol 4 February 2016 12: 58
            +3
            in the Carpathians, in Dikanka and in the whole Poltava region, in Odessa and Kherson in Kharkov and Dnieper also live Russian people and ... are waiting for help, waiting for Russian tanks!
            and they want to transfer the capital to Kharkov!
            1. Beard
              Beard 4 February 2016 13: 18
              +7
              My grandfather's brother died in Rovno, and the other disappeared without a trace there. Now they are occupiers for the "Russians" from Ukraine. This is serious - more than once I had to meet stoned "Ukrainians" from Ukraine with Russian surnames. That for me - a Russian with a Ukrainian surname and Ukrainian roots is amazing.
              So figure it out yourself. I don't want to be an "occupier" like my grandfathers do now.
              1. Petrol
                Petrol 4 February 2016 16: 05
                -1
                Beard
                they don’t need us, they need our land
                so that when they finish us seriously they will take
      3. Slobber
        Slobber 4 February 2016 12: 44
        -22 qualifying.
        Cursed be the Leninist-Bolshevik "national policy"

        Damn Leninism-Stalinism with Stalin. Yes, and the USSR, too, be damned, look, you divided people. And so I took it and divided it in half.
      4. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 4 February 2016 20: 53
        0
        Lenin adopted his laws based on the Cheka.
        Contra, who wanted to leave the union, was immediately sent to a logging company.
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 13: 54
      -6
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Unless, of course, you do not take seriously the Kazakh "academicians Fomenko" about 2300 years of Kazakh statehood ...


      So much no state has. Russia itself is built on the remains of the Golden Horde. So we will consider Genghis Khan as the founder of all the Eurasian statehood of the imperial type. Before him, disparate states of a national type.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 February 2016 14: 48
        +7
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Unless, of course, you do not take seriously the Kazakh "academicians Fomenko" about 2300 years of Kazakh statehood ...


        So much no state has. Russia itself is built on the remains of the Golden Horde. So we will consider Genghis Khan as the founder of all the Eurasian statehood of the imperial type. Before him, disparate states of a national type.
        Let me remind you for a moment that Russia is not a product of the collapse of the Golden Horde. That narrow-film steppe people came to rob the already existing states - principalities, with all the signs of statehood - with their money, power, army, etc. Yes, Russia does not have 2300 years of statehood. But I would not say about the whole world - in the school history textbook for the fifth grade it was written ...

        And more about statehood. I’m here, in VO, already for your fellow citizens, dear Max_Bauder, I wrote somehow about this - about 2300 years, I didn’t come up with it, I just read it. And then read what nonsense our "aademik" Fomenko is talking about with the company - why not be the same in Kazakhstan? hi
        In March 2005, a conference was held at Kainar University, where a report from the history of the Kazakh state and the etymology of the ethnonym “Cossack,” was made by the rector of this university, the already mentioned candidate of physical and mathematical sciences E. S. Omarov. He concluded his report with the following conclusion: “So, among the states created by the ancestors of the Kazakhs, the following can be attributed, which are arranged in the order of creation: State of the Sumerians (VIII — I millennium BC); Turan (III — II millennium BC. E.); The state of the massagets and other Saka (including kas-saki) tribes and unions (VII – IV centuries BC); Ancient Khorezmian kingdom (end of III — I millennium BC); Scythian kingdom; Parthian Empire (245 BC - 226 BC); The State of the Great Kushans (130 BC - III century AD); State of Usuns and Kannah (III century BC. - III century BC. E.); The Great Empire of the Huns (III century BC. - II century BC. E.); The state of the Sarmatians - Alans (IV century BC - III century BC. E.); The state of the Afigids in Khorezm (IV century A.D. — VIII century A.D.); The Great Hunnic Empire (4th century - middle 5th century CE); Empire of the White Huns (Ephthalites, IV-VI centuries); Kazarsky Kaganate (IV — XIII c., It should be especially noted here that the name of the Kazakh people comes from them); Avar Kaganate (V — VII centuries); Turkic Kaganates and the State of Karakhanids, Karluks, Kimaki, which gradually transformed into the State of Desht-i-Kipchakov, Naimanov, Kereyev, Argu and others ...

        On 24 of August 2005, Nursultan Nazarbayev stated: “Kazakhstan, Kazakhs have never had a border. Within today's borders, there has never been a statehood. ”

        Nursultan Nazarbayev repeated this phrase in 2011.

        The fact that in the 2015 year will be the 550 anniversary of the Kazakh Khanate, the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, announced 22 on October at a meeting with an asset of the city of Astana.

        1. marshes
          marshes 4 February 2016 15: 17
          -1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          That narrow-film steppemen came to rob already existing states

          Funny, I have seen such expressions on Ukrainian sites.
          And so, according to some sources, some came from another, they were there for a long time. Although it is interesting, maintaining yasak, tax, in principle, is considered robbery. smile
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 4 February 2016 17: 17
            -1
            Hello Marshes!
            You are absolutely right - the rhetoric of the Russian Natsiks is purely "Western" and "liberal"

            These people are of the same berry field. Ukrainians are now accusing Russians of being "Horde" and not "tse Europe"

            Liberal school is always pro-Western - myths about the Tatar-Mongol yoke, etc.

            I am constantly writing about this here - "Westerners" do not like this of course

            But lately, I'm glad to notice. that a growing number of Russians understand that Russia is not Europe and it has a historical connection with the steppe. The ideas of Eurasianism and Gumilyov are still alive in Russia.

            And in my opinion, most of the Russians already clearly understand that the "narrow-film" they are a thousand times closer to the Slavs of the Poles, etc., that they fought together in the Second World War and before that and now we are all in the same boat together
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 February 2016 17: 43
              -1
              Quote: Talgat

              And in my opinion, most of the Russians already clearly understand that the "narrow-film" they are a thousand times closer to the Slavs of the Poles, etc., that they fought together in the Second World War and before that and now we are all in the same boat together

              It’s a lot of interesting here, in 2008 I was at the European Football Championship, I felt a negative attitude towards myself in Kharkov, well, not in Kiev or Lviv.
              I didn’t even expect, it turns out that there lives in the east ... part of the population of Ukraine, I was not alone with Kent, the ancestors of Khmelnitsk. Graduate of Kiev himself ... he did not expect such an attitude, then consider that I have relatives I’ve been there before in Kharkiv. Even in those years I went to the gopstop and opened a bazaar.
        2. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 20: 38
          -4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Let me remind you for a moment that Russia is not a product of the collapse of the Golden Horde.


          Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberia and Crimea did not take? laughing the same thing. And indeed, if it were not for the Horde, there would have been no ascension of the Principality of Moscow, the Novgorodians would not have joined, but Russia would have been part of the Polish-Lithuanian state. So all the same thanks to the Horde. Listen to Klim Zhukov, a good historian. He is allergic to Fomenkovism, like Boris Yulin.
          By the way, we are similar, in the sense of the Kazakh Khanate was also formed on the remnants of the Horde. hi
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          That narrow-film steppe people came to rob the already existing states - principalities, with all the signs of statehood - with their money, power, army, etc.

          Well, you know, Slavic tribes also destroyed the Turkic Avar and then the Khazar Khaganate, and Kievan Rus appeared on their land. So the land is used to changing hands. It is foolish to say that the land will belong to one ethnic group for a long time, everything in life is given for a while. And by the way, before the Mongol invasion, the Polovtsy and the Russians not only fought among themselves, but went together to burn Kiev, and died on Kalka.hi
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          But I would not say about the whole world - in the school history textbook for the fifth grade it was written ...

          X is drawn on the fence, and there is firewood, and there is nothing in school books, especially after Soros visited there in the 90s. It’s easier to babble children. Now Ukraine is probably teaching that their ancestors originate right from Australopithecus itself. laughing But if we take the scientific works of Soviet times and further inland, the whole historiography, now there is no such country. Everything in life is changing. The same modern China and ancient China are different things, but the ancestors are the same, but there were the states of Xiao, Han, the Mongol invasion then Qin. So the current Rome is not that Rome. Socket ?!
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And besides, read what nonsense our "aademik" Fomenko and his company are talking about - why not be the same in Kazakhstan

          I know about him, delirium, delirium, and even we may have such, but I do not share their thought. As Boris Yulin says, before you believe in something like a dumb herd, you need to at least read books, or google the info completely, look for it, and educate yourself. It is easier to believe in nonsense than to refute it. This is what many do, unfortunately. smile
      2. Good cat
        Good cat 4 February 2016 22: 43
        0
        Complete nonsense!
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 6 February 2016 10: 07
          +1
          Quote: Good cat
          Complete nonsense!


          enlighten wink

  2. xorgi
    xorgi 4 February 2016 08: 21
    34
    Dear Gun70, be so kind as not to talk about it! To begin with, I will remind you "Zheltoksan", which is now a national holiday. And then I will remind you how in the 90s they renamed cities, demolished monuments at night and it would be okay communist, but after all, they demolished all the monuments related to Russian culture and history! And then I will tell you about how the Kazakhs said (both from the stands and in personal communication): "We do not need your factories and factories, go away, we will demolish everything with a bulldozer and we will graze sheep." I can still tell a lot about how people disappeared, how the stores refused to sell goods if you ask in Russian, how they took away cars and dachas from non-Kazakhs and much more, so let's not throw such statements about one comb!
    1. Arbogast
      Arbogast 4 February 2016 09: 41
      -54 qualifying.
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      Mother expelled from police because her eyes are not narrow
      laughing Uh, dude, I know for sure that they drove out of the police not for the lack of narrow eyes, but the lack of crooked legs ... bully
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      The government has been trying to take the father away from business for several years.
      Yes you are a bourgeois am once even the whole government, and moreover, for several years cannot take away the business from his father's twago .. Tolya, the case in the Orthodox Russei from Hodor "Yukos" was squeezed once again ..
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      on the wave of euphoria from freedom
      So you pindoc claim that Kazakhs were held in slavery before angry ?!
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Are you already used to the word Baikonyr? I’m somehow more used to Baikonur, and even more to Leninsk.
      So wise guy, so what the hecker did you rename city ​​with a purely Russian name Leningrad to fascist Petersburg stop ?!
      Quote: xorgi
      I will remind you "Zheltoksan", which is now a national holiday
      And I, in turn, will remind you that the day of the Battle of Kulikovo, where the maydaunas opposed the legitimate authority of the Horde, is considered a national holiday in modern Russia .. request
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 4 February 2016 10: 15
        20
        Uh dude

        Dudes in your acquaintances - but I don’t know you.
        Yes you are a bourgeois

        And I’m not ashamed of it at all - I’m proud of the fact that I have / can / know more than others. This is the pride of the merits of my parents and me, a worthy successor to the spirit of striving for progress.
        Are many IT firms known for serious automation and the development of unmanned systems? I doubt it. Therefore, there is a desire to "take away a strategic asset." Only it does not work out - there is no one to replace.

        So you pindoc affirm

        You yourself (because I don’t see brains for analysis) - I was born in the USSR.
        But the euphoria was with the Kazakh woman, and not with me. And this euphoria was fed by her feelings / attitude towards the past. She was curious that she could do anything at school, and no one punished her for that. And it's disgusting.
        1. Arbogast
          Arbogast 4 February 2016 15: 43
          -5
          Quote: S-Kerrigan
          Dudes in your friends
          Yes, I wanted to write on "m" .. laughing
          Quote: S-Kerrigan
          And I'm not ashamed of it in any way - I am proud that I have / know / know more than others. This is the pride of the merits of my parents and me, a worthy follower of the spirit of striving for progress. Are many IT firms known for serious automation and development of unmanned systems? I doubt it. Therefore, there is a desire to "take away a strategic asset." Only it does not work out - there is no one to replace.
          Eccentric you contradict yourself. Then you write that
          In me with such a genocidal policy, Kazakhstan has lost a highly qualified IT developer
          At the same time, does your father have an IT firm in Kazakhstan for serious automation and development of unmanned systems? A sort of "strategic asset" that there is no one to replace.
          Then it turns out that you are not a highly qualified IT developer negative Since if it were so, then you would not be someone to replace, like your father .. fool After all, even the government cannot control your father .. And so a major, at the expense of fatherly merits ..
          Quote: S-Kerrigan
          You yourself (because I don’t see brains for analysis)
          In order to see for a start you need to at least have brains available .. hi
          In the meantime, I see you have a hysterical perception, as a product of strong female influence .. crying
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 February 2016 15: 56
            -3
            Quote: Arbogast
            At the same time, does your father have an IT firm in Kazakhstan for serious automation and development of unmanned systems? A sort of "strategic asset" that there is no one to replace.

            Something I missed, if my son speaks like that, it will be interesting to meet dad.
            And so the Jews, I'm sorry, in this thread.
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 6 February 2016 17: 02
              0
              Well yes, the Jews. What to do if it happened?
              1. Arbogast
                Arbogast 19 February 2016 20: 38
                0
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                Well yes, the Jews. What to do if it happened?
                What to do - what to do ?!
                Circumcision to do .. am laughing
          2. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 5 February 2016 07: 11
            -1
            Yes, I wanted to write on the "m".

            Here is one of the reasons why KZ has nothing to catch - everyone so wants to make more insults to others. Therefore, those who cannot break out of youth remain.

            And so major, due to paternal merits ..

            Yeah, yeah - I know who I am and what I am. No elevations at the expense of others. There were no gold toilets or clubs. I earn everything for myself. Parents have many other concerns besides me. And now, to buy the same apartment, like all ordinary people, I work hard at work.
            Why do I consider myself a highly qualified specialist for now? Because I can and develop systems in the field of automation. And they pay a lot for this. But you need to know / understand a lot for this kind of work. And it takes me 10 hours a day instead of the usual 8.
            Yes, and about female influence is also passing. At the moment, there is nothing besides work. Neither family nor girlfriend. Only code.
      2. xorgi
        xorgi 4 February 2016 10: 51
        +9
        Arbogast
        1. Power is legal if it is legitimate. And the Horde forcibly annexed the Russian principalities. Submission to power and legitimacy are the opposite. Analogies with Kazakhstan are inappropriate, since the Kazakhs themselves asked for citizenship of the Russian Empire (now I'm talking about the Kazakhs, and not about the Siberian Khanate).
        2. The composition of both sides during the Kulikovo battle was more than heterogeneous, everyone knows about the Tatars (collectively, as representatives of the Turkic unbaptized peoples) on the side of Dmitry Donskoy. During "Zheltoksan" there was a confrontation between Kazakhs and non-Kazakhs.
        3. During the Kulikovo battle, the struggle was waged against the Horde as a state, and not against the Tatars as a nation. The slogan "Russia for the Russians" both at that time and now looks stupid, due to the presence of a large number of small nationalities and tribes. During Zheltoksan, Kazakhs did not oppose the USSR as a state, they opposed non-Kazakhs, who were designated as Russians.
        3. Dmitry Donskoy and Mamai fought against the army, and not against the crowds.
        Summary: Your statements are stupid and speak about not knowing even the school history course, not to mention a higher level.
      3. lex locis
        lex locis 4 February 2016 12: 05
        +6
        Quote: Arbogast
        where the maydaunas opposed the legitimate authority of the Horde,


        Mamai was just the maydaun who opposed the legitimate authority of the Horde, because he had nothing to do with the Genghisides, he was an ordinary rebel and separatist.
        The funny thing is that Dm. Donskoy spoke on the side of the Golden Horde.
        Learn the story!
      4. andj61
        andj61 4 February 2016 12: 30
        +2
        Quote: Arbogast
        And I, in turn, will remind you that the day of the Battle of Kulikovo, where the maydaunas opposed the legitimate authority of the Horde, is considered a national holiday in modern Russia ..

        Let me disagree with you! stop
        In the Battle of Kulikovo, Dmitry Donskoy spoke precisely against the Horde maydaun Mamai, who raised a rebellion against the legal khan of the Golden Horde of Tokhtamysh.
        Another question is that four years later, Tokhtamysh burned Moscow with a dashing raid, thereby punishing Dmitry for his willfulness: as a result of euphoria from victory on the Kulikov field, Moscow stopped paying Tokhtamysh tribute.
        And the victory itself on the Kulikov field is an example of Moscow’s appearance in the interests of the legitimate sovereign. After this battle, Tokhtamysh easily regained his throne, which he himself could not do before.
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 4 February 2016 12: 57
          -1
          for lex locis and andj61.
          I would not say so categorically that Mamai was or was not a representative of the legitimate ruler. After the murder of Berdibek, the "Great Zamyatnya" began, more than 20 khans were replaced. Mamai was not a khan, the khan was the young Mohammed Bulak from Batuids. That is, a descendant of Batu (great-great-great-grandson, if I'm not mistaken). And you can argue here for a long time, about the transfer by the eldest son or another, there were a lot of Chingizids at that time, especially if you recall the version that Jochi was not Chingizid by blood. In my opinion, this is not important at all. The main thing is that in our memory the Battle of Kulikovo was, is and will remain a struggle against the yoke of the Horde.
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        1. marshes
          marshes 4 February 2016 16: 51
          -3
          Quote: kyznets
          ... I personally left for Russia "to my place" in 1994. I left when the apartments cost a penny.

          In 1994 hunger almost broke out in Kazakhstan. Seriously, it could especially affect the center and the north of Kazakhstan, people donated grain and ate almost bran. They got out of it. And the reason was not independent. At 91 they simply asked for money from the ruble zone in 92 we last entered nat. currency. And Moscow, denyushka was needed, ate our grain.
          So do not blame me, well, they sent us. And then the money appeared, we needed steel. smile
          1. xorgi
            xorgi 4 February 2016 18: 30
            +6
            marshes
            how have you been brainwashed for twenty years. they didn’t kick you out of the ruble zone, but you shouted: we have everything, we will sell minerals for dollars, we need our own currency, we will reset the Russian yoke. and problems in 94 began because 2 million were left only in a year, and there were Germans and Jews, and that’s 80 percent of the workforce, and when it turned out that the factories themselves didn’t give production, which means there are no dollars, then you and fussed. every second resident left Stepnogorsk. 70% left the smelters at the EZF.
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 February 2016 19: 25
              -3
              Quote: xorgi
              how have you been brainwashed for twenty years.

              I don’t remember 90 ... damn I lived there.
              Quote: xorgi
              . they didn’t kick you from the ruble zone, but you shouted:

              Do not star here, there Mitrofanov was a witness, how our Dad was indignant. I’ll search in the internet for it.
              I remember for 1000 rubles grew. They gave 2000 Soviet rubles, just grandmas changed their father’s side to Odessa. They threw a new crew.
              Quote: xorgi
              . and problems in 94 began because in the year 2 million only Russians

              They rumbled coolly as much as they threw office apartments, but what if not in Ata, there was an opa. laughing
              I can retell how of. the composition moved, after us you will have OPA!
              laughing
              Quote: xorgi
              and there were Germans and Jews,

              Well, after all, they left for their historical homeland, little is the same with the Russian Federation ... laughing
              Quote: xorgi
              this is 80 percent of the workforce, and when it turned out that the factories themselves didn’t give the products, which means there weren’t any dollars, then you started to fuss. every second resident left Stepnogorsk. 70% left the smelters at the EZF.

              By the way, it’s strange we’re not dumb, so many people have left here. Like at advice, three rubles plus Maskvich. Now the house is 180 squares, two one-room, Lech 570, Skoda Fabia, Toyota Rough 4. There is something there ...
              Well, now what ... Hang himself or what? and if you take the property of a bro ... Or maybe a Tambovite, he has an ethnic Russian in his portfolio, just in case, 100 greens, there are not even hints of Jewishness ... laughing
              1. xorgi
                xorgi 4 February 2016 20: 31
                0
                "Don't star here" - I say again, I don't need to look for something. All this happened before my eyes.
                "By the way, it's strange that we do not live badly" - YOU may be, but do not speak for everyone, training is paid, bribes are everywhere in Russia and I never dreamed of this, I am not talking about the army.
              2. Taras_77.
                Taras_77. 4 February 2016 20: 33
                +4
                You are vile people, low, forgive me for defining it, but it’s a fact, you do it as you please, when it’s convenient for you, it’s certainly not known to your mother in Russia, but we who lived there all saw our eyes, you won’t fool us
              3. 1rl141
                1rl141 4 February 2016 22: 33
                +6
                Quote: marshes
                They rumbled coolly as much as they threw office apartments, but what if not in Ata, there was an opa.
                I can retell how of. the composition moved, after us you will have OPA!


                How officers from Kazakhstan left after the collapse, I can also tell.
                My classmate served on Zaysan. On the Chinese border. The collapse struck, everyone was sitting in wonder what to do next and then a Kazakh colonel and two civilians, also Kazakhs, came to their unit. They gathered officers and began to agitate them to remain in the Kazakh army, promised, as usual, the golden mountains.
                The officers listened, promised to think, and began to disperse. And now, passing by this trinity, my friend hears these words of one of the civilians, about each other:
                “We will make the Russians work for us!”
                He turns to him, measures his hand "50%" and says:
                - Here you will make me work for the Kazakhs!
                In general, none of his colleagues remained. Of course, they threw everything away and drove off with their suitcases. And he ended up in St. Petersburg.
                And as for your current well-being, I will say this: your personal well-being is not connected with the successes of the country.
                In Astana, I was surprised by the number of jeeps and other expensive cars on the roads. And our friend, a resident of Astana, explained that Astana was flooded with "hedgehogs". This is what they call the southern Kazakhs. They sell everything and go to the cities, thinking that there is butter smeared there.
                1 horse costs 450-500 thousand rubles, with our money. I sold the herd, got a lot of money, went to the city to show off.
                In Astana, prices for apartments and even garages skyrocketed because of them. A simple garage costs $ 20. In St. Petersburg, the garage is not worth so much.
                And about the grain. In Soviet times, you go from Pavlodar to Bayan-aul, the steppe and the steppe all around and only combines on the steppe rustle day and night.
                Now we saw the bare steppe and herds of horses and rams.
                The cultivated fields began to come across to us when they began to drive from Kostanay from Astana. And the Russians began to meet more often. At gas stations, shops, and cars on the road.
                Kazakhs are not farmers. They are livestock breeders. And there’s nothing for us to shag our grandmother about the grain selected by the Russians. You haven’t had it for a long time. It ended in the 90th year.
          2. Taras_77.
            Taras_77. 4 February 2016 20: 25
            +5
            "buddy" when were we starving at 94? You (Kazakhs) are only alive for the sake of being covered by the empire, and here look what conversation. My grandfather, during the famine in the union, fed you in his barn, you were in Kemerovo after your flight from your country, and you’re talking about the grain that you were taught to grow.
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 February 2016 20: 40
              -5
              Quote: Taras_77.
              "buddy" when were we starving at 94? You (Kazakhs) are only alive for the sake of being covered by the empire, and here look what conversation. My grandfather, during the famine in the union, fed you in his barn, you were in Kemerovo after your flight from your country, and you’re talking about the grain that you were taught to grow.

              Well, tell stories, if you take into account how Germany supplied you with food packages, there are numerous loans.
              And who saved the Kazakhs from hunger, Katr, who you don’t love with Turkey, these are the only two countries who gave a loan. Europe did not want to give an enlightened one. laughing
              Quote: Taras_77.
              . my grandfather during the famine of the union fed you in his barn, you are not measured in Kemerovo after your flight from your country, and here you are about the grain that you were taught to grow.

              Oh, thank you! And the grain went to Russia for the grain. The joke was that the reception centers under the Chechens and Ingush were a year 94 onwards and that the unloved guys from the south knocked them out. So in the north of Kazakhstan, the local who pressed laughing Vainakhs, have a short memory. laughing Now they are on our toes.
    2. 1rl141
      1rl141 4 February 2016 13: 07
      21
      My hometown is Pavlodar. This city has always been Russian. My ancestors have lived in it since its foundation. And the Kazakhs, under the Union, there were no more than 10%.
      Last summer, he traveled by car to his native places, where he had not been for 20 years. And these are the impressions.
      Kazakh traffic cops jump with joy when they see Russian numbers. They are trying to make money with incredible impudence. True, their arrogance disappears when they see a photograph in a uniform on their rights and a pension certificate.
      Immediately you "respect" and respect.
      In Pavlodar, Russians work in factories, someone has their own business, in some small enterprises, where at least some kind of qualification is needed.
      In the service sector, in all senior positions only Kazakhs.
      In general, where you don’t have to work with your hands or your head, everything is occupied by the Kazakhs. If the Kazakh got to the post, he will pull all his relatives along with him. And it always has been. And the first candidates for dismissal were Russians.
      And the Russians never get there. There are isolated cases when Russians, with a good knowledge of the language, made their way to some kind of position.
      That is, the Russians have no prospects there. Someone is happy with this and they live on.
      Nobody oppresses them, they speak Russian everywhere, even signs are all in 2 languages.
      Up to the road signs.
      I’ll give a small example about Kazakh nationalism.
      In the early 90s, my father-in-law was the Deputy Minister of Coal Industry of Kazakhstan. He is a competent specialist with great experience.
      And now they bring a young Kazakh to him and say, they say, teach him. He certainly understood that this was a candidate for his place. He wrote a statement and retired. And left for Russia.
      There was and is a local history museum in Pavlodar. In childhood I was there 1000 times and I know the history of my city not only from the museum, but also from the stories of my grandmother.
      So, having visited this museum again and ordered a guide, a young Kazakh woman, I was surprised at what she was telling.
      In general, they are trying to distort history. She spoke only about the Kazakhs, who were somehow related to the city, about "communist repression", about hunger,
      about the fact that not far from the city they found an ancient parking lot of people and they are very similar to the Kazakhs and everything like that.
      And she simply did not say that the city was founded by Cossacks (not Kazakhs!) Ermak.
      And she didn’t say much more that she connects the city with the Russians. And everything connects him!
      But not everything is as bad as it seems at first glance.
      I think that the Kazakhs realized that without the Russians they would only have sheep and horses to graze across the steppes. But in general, the Kazakhs are not a bad people, childishly naive, but not bad. Not evil.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 14: 01
        +3
        Quote: 1rl141
        But in general, Kazakhs are not a bad people, childishly naive, but not bad. Not evil.


        Thanks for that hi
        1. 1rl141
          1rl141 4 February 2016 14: 44
          +7
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Quote: 1rl141
          But in general, Kazakhs are not a bad people, childishly naive, but not bad. Not evil.


          Thanks for that hi

          Moreover, on this trip I met one good man, a Kazakh.
          One of the points of our trip was Bayan-Aul. In Bayan-Aul I was in childhood and we could not pass by it.
          So in Bayan we went to visit the Auliye Konyr cave. This cave is considered a holy place and, as it were, guarded. And now the employee of this reserve, that very good man, invited us into the arbor and began to talk about Bayan Aul, about the cave and about a lot of things. A very educated man. He told the true story of the village of Bayan-Aul that he was founded again by the Cossacks. About the first researcher Bayan-Aul Potanin. Well, and about a lot of things.
          As it turned out, he served an emergency in St. Petersburg and then entered the institute there.
          By profession, an ethnographer. When he found out that we also came from St. Petersburg, I was very happy.
          And when we were looking for the way to this cave, there are practically no signs there, we are standing at the fork and we are thinking where to go. The car stops, in it a young Kazakh guy, asks where we are going, says that they should go after him.
          In general, at every turn, fork, he was waiting for us so that we would not get lost.
          I personally, as they say, will go to the intelligence with a Kazakh. I won’t go with Khokhl, but I’ll go with a Kazakh.
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 February 2016 15: 20
            +2
            Quote: 1rl141
            I won’t go with Khokhl, but I’ll go with a Kazakh.

            Thank you for this, just a little, I’m right with the Ukrainian, you can’t go with Khokhl.
          2. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 20: 10
            0
            Quote: 1rl141
            I personally, as they say, will go to the intelligence with a Kazakh. I won’t go with Khokhl, but I’ll go with a Kazakh.


        2. Talgat
          Talgat 4 February 2016 18: 31
          +1
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Quote: 1rl141
          But in general, Kazakhs are not a bad people, childishly naive, but not bad. Not evil.


          Thanks for that hi


          Straight from the tongue, Dear Max Bauder! laughing
    3. QWERTY
      QWERTY 4 February 2016 13: 51
      +2
      Oh, and nonsense. He lived up to 17 years in Kazakhstan, in the city of Dzhambul (now Taraz). Parents just left there last year. Who was taking what from whom is not clear. And this is in the South, where Kazakhs are less "Russified". No one has ever refused to communicate either with me or with my friends / acquaintances in Russian. True, in recent years some did not really know him, but these are Aul youth.
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 4 February 2016 14: 30
        +3
        QWERTY
        And you take an interest in the history of the cities of Stepnogorsk and Ermak in the 90s
    4. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 4 February 2016 18: 27
      0
      You can, in principle, remember how cities were renamed after the revolution, monuments related to Russian history were demolished, how "former nobles, officials, etc." were kicked out of their homes and fired from their jobs. "Brothers-Baltic" remember smile , their eyes are even wider than ours, so what? Are they more culturally related to us? This is most likely a rampant militant grayness, a manifestation of previously hidden savagery, permissiveness, etc., a trait of human nature independent of either the cut of the eyes or the color of the skin!
    5. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 4 February 2016 18: 27
      0
      You can, in principle, remember how cities were renamed after the revolution, monuments related to Russian history were demolished, how "former nobles, officials, etc." were kicked out of their homes and fired from their jobs. "Brothers-Baltic" remember smile , their eyes are even wider than ours, so what? Are they more culturally related to us? This is most likely a rampant militant grayness, a manifestation of previously hidden savagery, permissiveness, etc., a trait of human nature independent of either the cut of the eyes or the color of the skin!
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 4 February 2016 18: 36
        -2
        Starina_hank
        after the revolution, there was also the Great War, and all the peoples of the USSR were in the same regiments then: the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Chechens, the Kazakhs, the Jews, and the Latvians and Estonians. only for some reason we remember how it feels to be in the same ranks, and representatives of fraternal republics in the 90s forgot about it
    6. Arbogast
      Arbogast 4 February 2016 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: xorgi
      To begin with, I will remind you of "Zheltoksan"
      There were many reasons. This time I’ll highlight the following ..
      Kazakhstan considered itself a status republic in the Soviet Union bully .
      In the unofficial rating of the national republics, Kazakhs put themselves next to 3 Slavic ones. Let us recall that its chapter at different times included such "weight" figures in the Union as Brezhnev and Ponomarenko ..
      And here they bring from nowhere, no one knows .. negative - Former second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia, secretary of the Ulyanovsk regional committee. You would have brought a livestock pig farm ..
      As an example, I will give you how Kulagin was prescribed. I came to personally represent Nazarbayev, called him "a trump card in my staff deck" - de "I tear it from my heart, I appoint you" ..
      And the appointment of Kolbin is the same as the appointment of an unknown coach in Real Madrid. "Star club-star coach" ..
      Even after the appointment of Kolbin, it was possible to conduct a preliminary promotional / advertising campaign .. They say:
      On his initiative, the Center for Microelectronics, a branch of Moscow State University, was opened in Ulyanovsk, a decision was made to build a new bridge across the Volga.
      It was considered as the main candidate for the post of first secretary of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee of the CPSU.
      Well, I had to disentangle a full spoon ..
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 4 February 2016 20: 36
        +3
        Arbogast
        And I didn’t speak about the brawl at the top! And about the crowd of Kazakhs who went and beat people of non-Kazakh nationality, neither the Wikipedia nor the media will tell you about this, especially the Kazakh ones.
      2. Taras_77.
        Taras_77. 4 February 2016 20: 37
        +1
        And why did the Union, Russians, endure the Georgian? You, the better?
  3. KLV
    KLV 4 February 2016 12: 27
    +2
    This "fidelity" is not at all from unlimited philanthropy. And it is explained by its own opportunistic interests. How to explain, for example, to the local young generation of Kazakhstan that nothing sensible has been done for 25 years of independence, and the economy is supported practically by the sale of oil and other minerals? Well, it depends on how you look ... If we say that the USSR was a completely backward country (and many young people already believe in this!), Then today's Kazakhstan will seem like a powerful state with a developed economy! Here is a quote from Elbasy's speech (http://www.nur.kz/1029505-prezident-kazakhstana-vystupil-na-se.html): "The older generation remembers very well that in the USSR one ruble was officially worth only 45 cents, even not a dollar. But this was in a total country, tightly closed by all walls, an iron barrier, in which there was a subsistence economy. Remember how many private entrepreneurs there were then? Zero. "
  4. demo
    demo 4 February 2016 17: 00
    +1
    Russia does not have faithful allies. except .... you know who.
    And do not look for allies among those who think in a different language, profess a different religion, follow different traditions and customs.
    Partners - yes!
    But not allies.

    The example of neighboring Ukraine is so egregious that renaming Chekalovsk to Babuinsk no longer surprises or touches.

    So the author, at least for me, did not cause the proper emotions.
  5. Navy7981
    Navy7981 4 February 2016 18: 45
    +2
    Quote: Gun70
    It is not necessary to cut one size fits all, dear. Kazakhs are loyal allies. Although I myself hate some of the "maneuvers" of our government.
    See https://news.mail.ru/politics/24728212/?frommail=1

    With all due respect, but Russia's loyal allies are its Army and its Fleet, the rest are at best friendly partners. Once again, without irony, I respect Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs, but do you guarantee that with the change of power (Nursultan Abishevich Nazarbayev, alas, will not last forever, like Vladimir Vladimirovich) a comrade with the views of Rakhmon, Poroshenko, Saakashvili, or Kasyanov will not come? ?? That’s what’s scary, and you and I will continue to respect each other, and our children, listening to all kinds of crap from such figures, will wave their arms.
  6. Victorio
    Victorio 4 February 2016 19: 24
    0
    Quote: Gun70
    You don’t have to cut everyone under one comb, dear. Kazakhs are faithful allies. Although I myself some of our government's "maneuvers" are abhorrent.
    See https://news.mail.ru/politics/24728212/?frommail=1

    ===
    yes, these include the change of the name of a city built on a bare spot, in the semi-desert of mangyshlak, by visitors from all over the union, named after the Russian-Ukrainian writer and poet TG Shevchenko, who also served his place in those places link-service to the new Kazakh name Aktau!
  • Dewa1s
    Dewa1s 4 February 2016 08: 59
    +6
    Most of the post-Soviet republics, including Hohland, have such an "eastern mentality".
  • Pig
    Pig 4 February 2016 09: 26
    +5
    not well, right ... not a single city was built, but now it seems like "built";) if that Rakhmon himself was Rakhmonov until recently ...
    it is already an axiom - if you cannot create anything, return to your "national roots"!
    In fairness, it must be said that the massive renaming of settlements in the SA began back in the 70s under the USSR ...
    1. miru mir
      miru mir 4 February 2016 10: 35
      +3
      All these movements began at the beginning of the 90.
      1. sleeping sayan
        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 11: 21
        -2
        Ours to you. But you have acquired a new homeland.
  • Hon
    Hon 4 February 2016 09: 30
    -1
    Quote: TotalWar
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.

    and southern Kazakhstan?
  • Vend
    Vend 4 February 2016 09: 47
    +6
    Quote: TotalWar
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.

    And to go to Russia to earn money they do not mind Russian names.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 4 February 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Quote: TotalWar
      Here is such a vile "oriental mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.

      And to go to Russia to earn money they do not mind Russian names.

      Here is such a vile "Eastern mentality ..." laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 February 2016 15: 21
        -2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Here is such a vile "Eastern mentality ..."

        Yes, who is to blame, enter the visa regime, which is in the way. Like with Turkmenistan.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 4 February 2016 09: 50
    14
    Quote: TotalWar
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.

    This applies to all "fraternal" republics, and the blameless Leninist national policy and social economy, which developed the national outskirts at the expense and to the detriment of Russia, is to blame for everything.
    WHY, for example, in the same Moldova they built huge advanced plants in the fields of electronics, instrument making, mechanical engineering (many defense), pumping out financial and human Russian resources with a giant pump ?! At the same time, 1965 year in a village near Smolensk (20 km from the village of Gagarina, 200 km from Moscow!) My grandmother didn’t yet have electricity, gas, roads, lived like in the Middle Ages under Alexei Mikhailovich. At the same time, on the outskirts, it was all built for Russia. Is this not wildness ?! So they fell off, they already had better than in the metropolis. Idiocy....
  • Lelek
    Lelek 4 February 2016 09: 59
    +8
    Quote: TotalWar
    alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.


    It is necessary to get along with neighbors as much as possible, this is an immutable law, but to live in their own state apartments. They are driving the Russians out of the southern republics, and why can't we deport 9 million "southerners"? This, of course, I "blurted out" - we do not have enough law enforcement officers to catch them all in cities and villages, but ...
    (cry.)
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 4 February 2016 11: 52
    0
    Quote: TotalWar
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.

    Why not go to Boston right away? Pendos would be appeased. Mother had friends from Tajikistan, were engaged in beekeeping, came to the capital every year for the honeycombs, and after the Turkmen Bashi they heard neither spirit nor spirit. But there were a lot of Russian speakers left there.
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 4 February 2016 12: 17
      +1
      sgazeev
      Of course, I apologize, maybe I didn’t understand something, but where does the Turkmen Bashi come from, if my friends are from Tajikistan.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 14: 25
    +8
    In general, as they say, there are no bad nationalities, there are bad people. Perhaps those who came to power in the former Soviet republics are those who are enemies to their own people, the people live in poverty, and they are getting richer. But against this background, the Russians should not "rise", since the arrival of Putin is not a natural process of the Universe, although some believe in it (God knows smile ) and the course of random events. Everything went to the fact that EBN was destroying the country, and types like Berezovsky, Khodorka and Nemtsov wanted to divide the country into parts and rule like "divide et impera". But as they say, Putin happened ... unexpectedly laughing
    Consider that we and other republics have types like EBN, of the same age and mindset. And what to do like that? well, of course, to exalt nationalism, because how to show your importance without lowering others? here they deny everything Russian. One went completely radically, call Sakashvili. Actually, he is a CIA agent, doing his job. AND! and the Ukrainians radically went, well, they did not dare to openly clash with Russia, but to spoil those who were brave inside the country. Its seemingly "Russians", relatives ... and you say the eastern mentality. Yes, the same Belarusians do not show love very much, the "father", like ours, tries to sit on two chairs, although he does show loyalty. And do not be offended by the Tajiks, they were conquered in their time not by culture but by fire and sword. Kokand, Khiva and Bukhara, voluntarily did not want to join as sultans Kazakhs, I had to slaughter them a little, or rather shoot them, not genocidal of course. That's it.
    but of course I personally admit that through Russian culture we also touched European culture, our writer Abai, respected by all, and himself called on to teach "Russian education", by Russian he understood the modern, at that time chemistry, mathematics and geography were not taught in madrasas , basically read the Koran, it was enough to be able to write their national words in Arabic or their letters. But with the arrival of the Russians, everyone mastered the Cyrillic alphabet, the construction of hospitals, schools, electric poles and other delights of modern civilization began. But to give it its due, this happened only with the arrival of the Bolsheviks, the Communists, who, as some members of the forum are offended, divided the entire empire into "pseudo-states". There is nothing wrong with that, that's why they lived together. You do not seriously think that all other nationalities except Russians were artificially brought to these territories (Russian), like Koreans to Kazakhstan? Each lived on his own land, passing on the legacy from father to son, a Kalmyk in Kalmykia, a Mari in Maria, a Chechen in Chechnya, a Tajik in his Badakhshan. Maybe they did not have states of the same name to the ethnos, but the fact that they were and lived is frankly unreasonable to deny. but oh well, what am I talking about? You just have to live together. without sharing, but on the contrary trying to find something in common, to create a Union of peoples, ideologically and mentally close.

    PySy. I myself am sorry that a policy of alienation from all Russian is being conducted, I think this is also a political order, either from the United States, if not then it is precisely under their supervision. Just like in Ukraine. God forbid, we will have our own Putin and stop it. smile
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 4 February 2016 15: 01
      +5
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      In general, as they say, there are no bad nationalities, there are bad people.

      Key phrase. good And there’s a bad growth in national identity ... And, by chance, he coincided in all Russian suburbs precisely with the period of weakness and betrayal in Russia of the late 80s and 90s ...

      The CIA can plan such accidents well in advance ... And then bad people begin to speak on behalf of a good nationality. Unfortunately...
    2. marshes
      marshes 4 February 2016 15: 26
      0
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      how are Koreans in Kazakhstan?

      So according to Forbes Kazakhstan, Koreans are almost half the wealthiest people in the republic.
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Marie in Mary

      They were previously called cheremis, so they are almost half of the Cossacks in Central Asia.
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Chechen in Chechnya

      It’s strange here, I thought some people left home and no returned back.
    3. 1rl141
      1rl141 4 February 2016 15: 53
      +3
      "But it's worth giving credit to this only happened with the arrival of the Bolsheviks, Communists,"

      Here I do not agree. Again, following the example of his city of Pavlodar.
      According to the stories of her grandmother, who was born before historical materialism, it can be concluded that even before the revolution, the Kazakhs had the opportunity to live settled, go to school, be treated in hospitals, etc.
      It’s just that they didn’t need it. Those who wanted it already lived differently then.
      I can give Chokan Valikhanov as an example. He was a writer and scientist, and also an officer in the Russian army.
      I don’t know how the Kazakhs lived in the central and southern regions, but in the northern and eastern they lived side by side with the Russians and had the same rights.
      For some reason they were then called not Kazakhs, but Kyrgyz. My grandmother always said "Kyrgyz", not Kazakhs.
      Before the revolution, in Pavlodar, in January, races were arranged on the ice of Irtysh. A track was prepared, everyone was invited and races were organized for several days.
      A fair was organized on the shore, huge samovars were set up and people watched the races.
      The prize in these races was a very large sum of money. The participants of the races themselves contributed money for participating in the races. There were many who wanted to win.
      And what a Kazakh, he will refuse to race if even more so. what awaits him a prize?
      Kazakhs gathered from all sides to participate in the races. Well, local Russians, of course. My great-great-grandfather was involved in horse breeding and also participated in the races.
      But the point is not in these races, but in the fact that after these races, everyone, both Russians and Kazakhs, had a mountain feast. And yesterday's rivals at the races today sat at the same table and drank vodka.
      The gulba sometimes lasted up to 2 weeks. And the Russians did not consider the Kazakhs as people of the 2nd grade. And they did not lift their nose.
      And when I lived in Pavlodar, in Soviet times, the relations between us were normal. If you are a batyr, not corn, then sit down with us, drink tea, tell me how your parents are and so on. The attitude towards the Russians and towards the Kazakhs was the same.
      So the question is for you, dear brothers Kazakhs, what happened to you now?
      Are you a little conceited? Why do many more Russians have a desire to leave for Russia?
      Although they do not spread rot among you Russians, they feel uncomfortable there.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 4 February 2016 19: 59
        0
        Quote: 1rl141
        So the question is for you, dear brothers Kazakhs, what happened to you now?
        Are you a little conceited? Why do many more Russians have a desire to leave for Russia?
        Although they do not spread rot among you Russians, they feel uncomfortable there.


        Everyone wrote well except for this. Bullshit, sorry. If Americans judge Russians by their films, such as balalaika, earflaps and vodka with a bear. So you were left with the opinion of the 90th year. I advise you to travel to Kazakhstan, if it doesn’t work, then at least look at the reviews of such trips on YouTube. To consider that Russians are oppressed in Kazakhstan is such a nonsense honestly, damn it like criticizing the Germans that they are not completely tolerant of Arabs and Negroes. laughing The Germans were so bent that they only left wives to lay under them. So are we. We tolerate all humiliation in our own country, just as you are the titular nation. Come and see who owns the largest companies in the country, either Kazakh traitors (like your Russians) or foreigners, or your Turks and Koreans (as one countryman rightly noted here on a branch). And the Kazakhs in all the dirty work, from cleaners to janitors. and poor Russians and poor Kazakhs live in the same house, in different apartments. So we have such things. If you still do not change your mind, then the matter is still in you. hi
    4. Taras_77.
      Taras_77. 4 February 2016 20: 48
      +1
      God forbid, Putin will happen to you, but nevertheless, we’ll come in to you because you cannot and will not give yourself reason, you need to have the experience of statehood and you don’t have it, and most importantly, do not believe what YOUR historians write
  • One man
    One man 4 February 2016 20: 29
    +1
    Quite right, but we were hammered into the northerners and continue to talk about fraternal relations with the southerners and about the international in general, which in practice is not and never will be!
  • fisherman2
    fisherman2 4 February 2016 22: 12
    +2
    The article is rotten, and raises judgments. I do not think that Serbs have the same opinion for the Russians. In 41g we were brothers with southerners, and they crushed reptiles together. TIME will show.
  • aba
    aba 4 February 2016 06: 14
    20
    but Chkalov didn’t please ...

    That is not Tajik.
  • My address
    My address 4 February 2016 06: 19
    22
    Well yes. And how else to do the local khan? They need everything that was in the Union, to remove from the memory of the people. Preserve everything, snack around. Otherwise there may be questions. It used to be better? Why did they develop earlier, and now what? Why did they leave the united country and become like during bays?

    But in peak we also have. If our Russia developed from 2008, even if it were 5% in the economy, then it would not have occurred to any khans, and other supporters of independence, to rename the cities, demolish monuments, and so on. And what prevents to develop? But the main thing is hindering the Putin’s course on the so-called economists. market liberalism, which is beneficial to our enemies. And there is everything for development - financial, labor and material resources; huge spaces; technological developments of civilization.
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 February 2016 06: 38
      +3
      Quote: My address
      If our Russia had been developing since 2008, let it be 5% in the economy

      The Chinese economy has developed much faster. But now what?
      If 100 billion bucks were withdrawn from Russia, then 1 trillion dollars were withdrawn from China last year. And brought it to the United States. China allocated 500 billion bucks to support its economy. (To allocate is to distribute) This year, China is continuing to grow. At the same time, the China Exchange collapsed so that ordinary citizens who invested in it remained almost with an empty pocket.
      And now, Sasha, offer a model of the economy, it’s better. And make it so that ordinary people as a result of these changes would not be left with nothing.
      1. My address
        My address 4 February 2016 08: 47
        14
        Alexander hi !
        Is it okay if I'm on "you"?
        I believe that it is necessary at the same time:
        1. Build a system of education, selection, interest, responsibility of personnel. You must admit that it is absurd to put Medvedev, Ulyukaev and others like him in big posts. What and where have they reached? The ability to inflate the cheeks, loyally look at Putin and independently find the place of the mural in the statement does not count. Yes, I do not trust the organization of a toilet for a cat to any of them. Here, pay attention, I am your ideological opponent, but I do not deny that you have intelligence above the stool, as stated earlier, saying that in 60-s you could decorate not only the physical-technical faculty in my UPI. And these? They are only interested in Medvedev by their insertion of unintelligible foreign turns into his speech. Well, a purely five-year-old boy, reading a rhyme from a stool with incomprehensible words. By the way, this is also a violation by Medvedev of the Russian language law.
        2. Stop the practice of feudal responsibility in senior government positions only for loyalty to Putin.
        3. Introduce progressive income tax. Laughter, and more! The highest person in the state declares that with a flat scale they will be less concealed. Is that Putin can not cope with such a trifle?
        4. Responsibility of senior executives for theft, pandering to theft and stupid decisions to make the appropriate position. Then the memorable Chubais, Serdyukov would have been sewn by beautiful working mittens, and the others knew that the authorities needed to plow the country. That is, as the Prime Minister of Singapore (?) Said, who made the State out of the village - to put three of his friends, but so that they knew what was going on.
        5. Chasing sycophants. To me, then the young master, by virtue of my upbringing, I was bored with the brigadier, who constantly said how wonderful I am. I took it off from the foremen and others clearly saw that it was possible and necessary to object to the cause.
        6. Zamarany suspicion to start dismiss. Is this what we have with the attorney general? This is where it has been seen that there is no intelligible explanation in the case of the Moscow region prosecutors and the case of the sons of the general?
        7. Immediately engage in employment of the population! Buy production, occupy people accomplishment. Sorry, but I do not believe the official figures on unemployment. Or is it larger in the Urals than in the country?
        8. What about ideology? Putin talks about patriotism, and in our films the heroes are criminals, top managers, show stars and the only bright spot is good cops. And why is Echo of Moscow and other TNT under the strict guidance of Gazprom? Madhouse!
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

        Alexander! And I can offer many more points. And mind you, so far not a single one with a purely communist coloration. And nothing is unreal. As for China, it is quite possible that it was a state withdrawal of funds from an economic "bubble". And the growth of the Chinese economy is more than 7%, with some Pindo economists suspecting that China has been and is pursuing a policy of diminishing its capabilities. Already now the official (!!!) salary of a Chinese worker is higher than that of ours, and even about productivity, and in general ...

        And further. There is a good biblical expression "Do not make yourself an idol." In 1986, I believed Gorbachev and joined the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and I resisted for many years. But already in 87 he felt betrayed.

        These are the pies.
      2. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 4 February 2016 11: 59
        0
        Most likely it is necessary to divide the "inflated" money and the real money. Introduce the conversion of "inflated" money into real money. Banks give loans on the condition that everything will work as written in the plans (business plans), but taking into account the current situation. It's like from the 19th century - to look into the 21 ...
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    5. terro
      terro 4 February 2016 22: 13
      0
      Mixed in a bunch: horses, people ...
  • Koshak
    Koshak 4 February 2016 06: 35
    15
    “Hundreds of thousands of Russians literally on pain of reprisal were expelled from Tajikistan,“ seeking a democratic path, ”when they were forced to abandon their homes, jobs, and find themselves in a completely new place for themselves - without a roof over their heads and without means of subsistence. cities where there are entire microdistricts (if a set of barracks-barrels or trailers can be called a microdistrict), inhabited by Russian settlers from the same Tajikistan. People live in horrible conditions not even for years, but for decades. "

    The state cannot solve the problem of compatriots? am WWI experience to help.

    and migrants / Gaster calmly sell drugs .... and indeed, from disadvantaged regions without vaccinations, Karl! So the question is - what about Europe with this problem? So it is possible to grow into epidemics.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 4 February 2016 08: 19
      +7
      The experience of the Second World War is communists. This is not kosher. The invisible hand of the market is the fetish of our liberals.
  • basy66
    basy66 4 February 2016 06: 43
    +6
    What patriotism will these Russians return to their historical homeland?
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 4 February 2016 06: 56
    +7
    Rakhmonov has long been at rest, the scarecrow has bronzed, has forgotten thanks to whom it generally sat on the throne.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 February 2016 06: 57
    21
    I always asked all southerners (what else to call them) who asked me, so you wanted independence from Russia, you separated yourself with your mustache. What the hell are you bothering to do here, live on your own, you wanted this. In response, the lowing, this is not us, this is the bosses, there is no work, there is nothing to feed the children. And they themselves come and forget (not all) their wives and children. Everyone in Moscow was flooded, sometimes Russians are not hired because of them. And why then make yourself independent, die of hunger. And everyone concerns, and Tajiks, and Uzbeks, and Azerbaijanis, and Armenians. And while you are holding it in your hands, normally, as soon as you let go, they begin to become impudent.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 4 February 2016 07: 07
      13
      Quote: Ros 56
      I always work for all southerners (as they are called) .....
      And everyone concerns, and Tajiks, and Uzbeks, and Azerbaijanis, and Armenians. And while you are holding it in your hands, normally, as soon as you let go, they begin to become impudent.

      Why take them to work?
      You already decide whether to wear panties or remove the cross.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 February 2016 07: 51
        +7
        Quote: Stroporez
        Why take them to work?


        Honestly, I’ve been tormented with our drunks, it won’t work out, then it’s going on a whirl, etc. Yes, and now I do not take anyone, spat on everything, with these kickbacks, sunsets and retired.
        1. Villon
          Villon 4 February 2016 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Ros 56
          Quote: Stroporez
          Why take them to work?


          Honestly, I’ve been tormented with our drunks, it won’t work out, then it’s going on a whirl, etc. Yes, and now I do not take anyone, spat on everything, with these kickbacks, sunsets and retired.

          And what is the difference between the salary of a Russian and a "southerner" in the same place? That would sound like! And about behavior: you say that Russians sometimes do not come out and call them "drunks". And then about the "southerners": "as long as you hold it in your hands, it is normal, as you let go a little, they start to become impudent." What are these myths where everyone is bad? Blurred picture.
          1. tolyasik0577
            tolyasik0577 4 February 2016 11: 37
            +7
            I will give an example of my work as a slave. There was a brigade of Tajiks and took two guys from Zaporozhye. a week later, Tajiks began to survive them. and all because the Ukrainians got the task and they are not visible. They themselves took the tool, they themselves came to the place of work and calmly, productively worked. What about Tajiks? and Tajiks need: hand out an instrument, bring them in place, tell them what to do, and monitor every hour so that they don’t mess up or sleep. and still managed to lose or break tools. Plus, language difficulties in communication.
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 4 February 2016 14: 29
            +4
            40 years ago it would have been wild to hear about the nat question in the USSR, there were many structures on nat. issues.
            Since 1985 (from the hunchbacked) began rocking nat. suburbs on the topic of nationalism, which, it seems to me, led to the collapse of the country.
            After the 91st, no one dealt with the republic’s questions at all, but rather dealt with, but with a minus sign, everything was done to push away the former. Union republics, and even by our own example of the Russian Federation showed how to deal with the Soviet past. Now from the former fraternal, we already have the belt of unfriendly republics (listing it makes no sense, all in plain sight).
            Middle Asia after the collapse of the USSR, of course, in its development, it rolled back much further relative to other republics, and here a mass exodus of Aziths in the Russian Federation began, and for one literate one, 10-15 completely illiterate (young) Asians come, completely without preconditions for assimilation in Russia.
            Young, illiterate, who do not have any specialties, who do not know the Russian language and traditions, Asians flooded Russian cities. Moreover, physically many do not want to work, but they are not capable of anything more, hence the criminal, ethnic groups, etc. Trade in "work brigades" became in the Russian Federation is a very profitable business.
            Moreover, all migrants use the infrastructure of the Russian Federation, and only a few pay taxes. Moreover, their assimilation is going for the worse, having lost their eastern traditions, they acquire our worst ones (in simple terms, they not only constantly eat their nasvay, but also drink). young children (who and why let them here) and begin to breed here, in quantities appropriate to the east, cooking in their own ethnic cauldrons, but no one wants to leave and soon they will begin to claim their "rights".
            And the state is silent, as it is also silent regarding the renaming of our, in fact, cities located there.
            But at all fed. channels shout to us about migrants in Europe, biting their tongues about their own problems with migration, although ours is many times larger. And it's scary to think that in a couple of decades they will rename not Chkalovsk, but some middle-band one in "... camp", because In the common people, Moscow is already called the Maskvabad.

            Threat. no nationalism, exceptionally common sense!
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          4. Ros 56
            Ros 56 4 February 2016 16: 54
            0
            Quote: Villon
            That would be voiced!


            We did not have a salary per se, construction business. There is an object, such a volume, so much money. Since the volumes are different, respectively, and the amounts are different. We agree with each brigade differently. I know them, or not, experience, etc. One thing I can say, I never threw anyone, I’d better take it out of my pocket than they will say behind my back. And they begin to become impudent for a simple reason, when the same people work for a couple, three years, sort of like their own, well, they begin to scythe.
        2. Villon
          Villon 4 February 2016 10: 29
          +2
          Quote: Ros 56
          Quote: Stroporez
          Why take them to work?


          Honestly, I’ve been tormented with our drunks, it won’t work out, then it’s going on a whirl, etc. Yes, and now I do not take anyone, spat on everything, with these kickbacks, sunsets and retired.

          Southerners worry me less, but I don't really believe about "our drunks". It looks suspiciously like a myth that has been created for more than half a century, starting with Khrushchev. There must be another reason.
          1. 1rl141
            1rl141 4 February 2016 16: 22
            -1
            Quote: Villon
            Quote: Ros 56
            Quote: Stroporez
            Why take them to work?


            Honestly, I’ve been tormented with our drunks, it won’t work out, then it’s going on a whirl, etc. Yes, and now I do not take anyone, spat on everything, with these kickbacks, sunsets and retired.

            Southerners worry me less, but I don't really believe about "our drunks". It looks suspiciously like a myth that has been created for more than half a century, starting with Khrushchev. There must be another reason.


            Another reason is that southerners can pay less. Our smart hard worker will ask for the so-called social package. Paid leave, sick leave, etc.
            And if you’re very smart, then you’ll have a white salary.
            But the guest worker does not need this. He will work hard without leave. And for 12 hours a day. And live in the back room. And eat a doshirak. And he will send the earnings home.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 18: 24
              +2
              Quote: 1rl141
              Another reason is that southerners can pay less.

              And from this that someone is bad ?!
              I'll tell you, my relatives are also engaged in repairs - their "brigade" is all Slavs.
              And what do you think, they work better at times than guest workers - one might say professionally, they made both penthouses and houses on the "ruble".
              BUT, they charge accordingly! Those who order guest workers today will not be able to afford their services banally financially - it is too expensive for them.
              Therefore, personally, my relatives are not at all worried about the presence of guest workers in Russia, they have a completely different "target audience".
              Therefore, if you think that if migrant workers leave, then Russian "construction workers" will immediately start earning more money, then you are wrong - our citizens will simply start doing construction repairs on their own more often! hi
              1. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 18: 39
                0
                Quote: Mr. PIP
                And what do you think, they work better at times than guest workers - one might say professionally, they made both penthouses and houses on the "ruble".

                I don’t know about you, but at someone, on Rublevka, the Spaniards and Italians "tore up their priests," and they didn’t even smell quiet. laughing
                1. Taras_77.
                  Taras_77. 4 February 2016 20: 51
                  +1
                  Have you been there? Seeing from experience
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 4 February 2016 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: Villon
            Southerners worry me less, but I don't really believe about "our drunks".


            And in order to believe it is necessary not to write comments, but to work, I look a lot with the language la-la, but how it really has no idea. Ours of course is quicker and quicker to grasp this fact, you have to stand on the southern ones, chew everything to the smallest detail, but they will not sell a bag of cement for example, and they will not thump as you rush about for business. Then he began to fine for Bukhara it became normal.
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 4 February 2016 06: 58
    0
    Pans with eyes decided to hit a hoof? Or maybe their Ikhnim guest workers can translate the names in their passports into Russian for a trip to the Russian Federation?
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 4 February 2016 07: 26
      -9
      Quote: Shiva83483
      Pans with eyes decided to hit the hoof? Or maybe their Ikhnim guest workers can translate the names in their passports into Russian for a trip to the Russian Federation?

      Doubtful comment. It smacks of comment. And from the author.
      Another fireplace out.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 4 February 2016 08: 21
        -7
        Well - who is minus anonymously?
        Come on, Natsik, uncover.

        Although, if someone is Euro-integrated at the back, they can anonymously minus. This is possible. They are like women (in a bad sense) - they may not be responsible for words. They still beat nasty laughing
        1. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 4 February 2016 09: 10
          +4
          Why are you constantly whining about the cons?
        2. Villon
          Villon 4 February 2016 09: 32
          -1
          Quote: Mik13
          like women (in a bad way)

          For the Russian consciousness, such a word in a good sense does not exist.
      2. Villon
        Villon 4 February 2016 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: Mik13

        Another fireplace out.

        Translate into Russian.
  • Georgey
    Georgey 4 February 2016 07: 04
    17
    “Hundreds of thousands of Russians were literally on pain of reprisals expelled from Tajikistan,“ seeking a democratic path, ”when they were forced to abandon their homes, jobs, and find themselves in a completely new place for themselves - without a roof over their heads and no means of subsistence.
    And not only Tajikistan - and Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan and other fraternal republics. And everywhere to the screams - you robbed us, we drive him out of the way, the dishes will be gold, etc.
    And nowhere has Russia even threatened the local kings with a finger! Only Kozyrev spoke of normal democratic processes and the absence of nationalism in these republics!
    What is happening now is a consequence of the past and the belief that Russia will silently wipe away.
  • Dead hand
    Dead hand 4 February 2016 07: 11
    11
    Recently, one Kazakh (grandfather in years ... old at all) to my question who the Tajiks were, directly shouted with foam that a Tajik is not a man ....... that a Tajik has always been a lazy slave ... I even worried that my grandfather enough blow☺
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 4 February 2016 07: 51
      +3
      Quote: Dead Hand
      Recently, one Kazakh (grandfather in years ... old at all) to my question who the Tajiks were, directly shouted with foam that a Tajik is not a man ....... that a Tajik has always been a lazy slave ... I even worried that my grandfather enough blow☺

      I don’t even know what you are talking about. what ? A friend of mine from Barnaul put forward
      the "assumption" that Tuvans and Altai are one people, since They tell the same thing about each other. Following this logic, if you seriously listen to what Central Asians tell about each other, then it is difficult to give up the idea that there is only one people living in SA.
      1. sleeping sayan
        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 11: 08
        0
        Tuvans and Altaians have many differences, in traditions, rites, and faith. And Tuva is the only republic in Russia that voluntarily joined as Crimea. And has the right to voluntarily secede from the Russian Federation.
        1. andj61
          andj61 4 February 2016 12: 51
          +1
          Quote: sleeping Sayan
          Tuvans and Altaians have many differences, in traditions, rites, and faith. And Tuva is the only republic in Russia that voluntarily joined as Crimea. And has the right to voluntarily secede from the Russian Federation.

          They also say that Tuva in the mid-30s, which was not yet in the USSR, was the first to declare war on Nazi Germany ...
          1. sleeping sayan
            sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 13: 00
            0
            Not in the middle of 30.a in 41. Hitler looked for Tuva on the map for a long time and then said send a platoon of ss and two tanks there.
        2. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 4 February 2016 13: 44
          +5
          Quote: Sleeping Sayan
          And Tuva is the only republic in Russia that voluntarily joined, like the Crimea.And it has the right to voluntarily withdraw from the Russian Federation.

          Tuva voluntarily came under the protectorate of the Russian Empire back in 1914 under the name Uryankhai Territory. After the revolution and the Civil War, Tuva's sovereignty was proclaimed, which was supported by the RSFSR. June 22 declared war on Germany, and in 1944 it became part of the USSR as an autonomous region of the RSFSR.
          After the collapse of the USSR, it declared state sovereignty, and much work had to be done to bring the modern constitution of Tuva into line with the Russian constitution, which proclaimed the territorial integrity of Russia, and there was no article on voluntary secession from Russia, but such an article was in the USSR constitution.
          1. sleeping sayan
            sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 13: 50
            0
            Come on. In Tuva, 75% of the population are Tuvans. And if they, as Crimeans, do not want to, then what to take off?
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 4 February 2016 14: 21
              0
              Quote: Sleeping Sayan
              In Tuva, 75% of the population of Tuvans ... do not want to, what take off to do?

              As an option, send there the head of Tuva Shoigu, he is his own for them ...
              1. sleeping sayan
                sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 14: 28
                0
                Fine!!!
      2. 1rl141
        1rl141 4 February 2016 16: 28
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        Quote: Dead Hand
        Recently, one Kazakh (grandfather in years ... old at all) to my question who the Tajiks were, directly shouted with foam that a Tajik is not a man ....... that a Tajik has always been a lazy slave ... I even worried that my grandfather enough blow☺

        I don’t even know what you are talking about. what ? A friend of mine from Barnaul put forward
        the "assumption" that Tuvans and Altai are one people, since They tell the same thing about each other. Following this logic, if you seriously listen to what Central Asians tell about each other, then it is difficult to give up the idea that there is only one people living in SA.


        The coolest thing was to hear how 2 of my fighters were cursing about the case.
        One is Azerbaijani, the other is Uzbek.
        An Azerbaijani says that they must do this, that, and that. Uzbek does not agree and wants to do it his own way.
        What is an Azerbaijani?
        "Chock! So do it!"
        Uzbek:
        - You yourself chock! That's how it is necessary!
        I wallowed for 15 minutes.
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 4 February 2016 18: 44
          0
          This is what, he witnessed the conversation in the late 80's, two Kazakh girls quarreled, one of 4 years old, the other a little older. The older one scolds the younger, but she did not know what to answer, she was silent, she was silent, and she issued:
          -You are kalbitka! (I apologize and do not want to offend anyone, this is an abusive word in Kazakhstan in relation to the indigenous nation)
  • Nsk 54
    Nsk 54 4 February 2016 07: 11
    12
    If Russians are not respected in their own country, then why should they be respected in other countries?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 February 2016 07: 56
      10
      Quote: Nsk 54
      If Russians are not respected in their own country, then why should they be respected in other countries?


      This is the right idea, all newcomers must be put in place. First of all, his work. But what a thing, officials like Uncle Scrooge have bucks in their eyes. And fuck you will drive him out of there.
  • Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 4 February 2016 07: 12
    23
    The epic of renaming cities and weights, mountains, rivers and lakes in the national outskirts of the former USSR in accordance with national toponomy and color can be understood at the very least, even if there is no other meaning in such renaming. In Kazakhstan, this also had a place to be, and sometimes it looks, to put it mildly, too original, for example, the capital from the old Alma-Ata (now Almaty) was moved to Tselinograd, renaming it to Astana, but: in Kazakh, Astana - this is the capital, i.e. in fact, the capital was called the Capital.
    However, in fairness, it should be noted that Russia also succeeded in this matter, almost the first to start renaming cities and streets, returning them to their historical names. And this was not always done, let's say so meaningfully. It can be understood and accepted when the cities and streets that previously bore the names of the revolutionary Bolshevik leaders under the Soviet Union were returned to their former names, as the names of Samara, Tver, etc. were returned. This is cultural and historical traditions and heritage, this is historical memory, this is the Russian national heritage. But I cannot understand and accept when the historical "Russian" name of St. Petersburg is returned to the hero-city of Leningrad. It is clear that the inhabitants of Leningrad have always called themselves Petrograd - here they have their own traditions. But the name Leningrad is glorious not because it is dedicated to the memory of the Bolshevik leader - an ambiguous personality (this is a story, and you cannot erase a word from it), but because Leningrad endured during the years of the sacred war for all of us, withstood the blockade, soldiers of the Red Army and just residents cities died fighting and defending the city of LENINGRAD. There are many of them and other glorious deeds that immortalized this name of this city.
    If you search, you can cite other examples of such not quite well-thought-out renaming of cities, etc. in Russia itself.
    As for the nationalism of Tajiks, God is their judge, this people never had their own statehood, which they acquired only under Soviet rule, thanks primarily to the Russians, and the economy of Tajikistan was developing under the Union. And then, after the collapse of the USSR in Tajikistan, in a nationalist frenzy and a factional war, the "vovchiks" with the "yurchiks" managed to practically destroy their already not very well-developed industry and agriculture, and also forced the Russian-speaking population to flee the country (with the complete connivance of both on the part of its own authorities, and on the part of the authorities of Russia itself, which did not care about the fate of the Russians). And now the "ravshans" with the "jumshuts" have flooded large Russian cities so that their families in Tajikistan would not starve to death.
    I have the honor.
    1. Ostwest
      Ostwest 4 February 2016 08: 15
      -8
      ... city dwellers died fighting and defending the city of LENINGRAD ...
      Residents, fighters, people died and fought for their homeland, against a foreign invasion, for truth, for their family and Leningrad was a place of concentrated opposition to enemy forces, but to legitimize the illegal renaming of the city, built by other people, absolutely without any positive impact and participation Lenin was such an unfortunate decision, like all that Marx proposed, and tried to introduce Lenin. Fairytale projects do not live and they died in 1991, but people have their own life history and they must adhere to it, without any pressure from circumstances accidental to ancient Russia.
      In addition, it must be borne in mind that the anti-state coup in October 1917 was carried out by the militants of Trotsky and under his command. So, if we proceed from this fact, and not from the idea that the revolution was led by Lenin, then Leningrad should rightfully be called LEYBAGRAD by the name of Leiba Trotsky-Bronstein, sent by the way from SESEA.
      Lenin, however, had been hanging around for decades with our acquaintances from Landon, Paris and all sorts of Geneva, where they were very happy about the death of the Russian state and, of course, kept, kept and would contain all kinds of anti-Russian scum.
      Justice will not be in the legalization of unrighteous renaming, but on the contrary, in our criminal oblivion of the name of the person under whose leadership the country proved its right to exist and gave such an impetus for development that the neo-Trotskyists could repay only in 1991. Of course, STALIN. Stalingrad was named after him, with his name people went into battle and ran not only in short-lived battles, but in all strategic battles of our country. Peaceful, labor, military-all. This is where glaring injustice and ingratitude are.
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      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 4 February 2016 08: 37
        13
        I intentionally did not write anything about the renaming of Stalingrad to Volgograd (to be honest, I was surprised that he was not renamed Tsaritsyn). Because this renaming (in my opinion, extremely unfair, committed only for the sake of the momentary political context of the USSR at that time) was not done in post-Soviet Russia, but much earlier.
        In my opinion, LENINGRAD and STALINGRAD deserve, if you want, to suffer the sacred right to be called by these names not in honor of politicians, no matter how they apply to them (I personally respect Stalin Iosif Vissarionovich, I am neutral towards Lenin Vladimir Ilyich - we far from everything is known about this historical figure), but in honor of the feat of their inhabitants both during the war and in peacetime, fighters and residents of these cities fought and died during the war, defending LENINGRAD and STALINGRAD, and during the years of peace they built and built LENINGRAD and STALINGRAD.
        I have the honor.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 4 February 2016 08: 35
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      In Kazakhstan, this also had a place to be, and sometimes it looks, to put it mildly, too original, for example, the capital from the old Alma-Ata (now Almaty) was moved to Tselinograd, renaming it to Astana, but: in Kazakh, Astana - this is the capital, i.e. in fact, the capital was called the Capital.

      Renamed Verny, Guryev, Semipalatinsk, etc. , after all, "the heavy legacy of Russian colonial policy." But why did Chu, Chimkent not please ??
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 4 February 2016 08: 59
        +4
        And also Zhezkazgan - ex. Dzhezkazgan, Kokshetau - Kokchetav, Zharkent - Dzharkent, Kostanay - Kustanay and many others. They were not renamed, they simply brought the name in accordance with the spelling of the name according to the rules of the Kazakh alphabet. I do not see anything special in this. By the way, in practice, everyone calls these cities as used to, regardless of nationality. Personally, I have never heard Shu in colloquial speech, even from a Southerner Kazakh, who often speak Shymkent as Shymkent in conversation.
        I have the honor.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 4 February 2016 09: 44
          +3
          Means according to the alphabet and habits. Clear . Now I understand why not Fergana (Skobelev), but Pergana. Not Frunze, but "Urunze or Prunze". As well as a preserving machine, karburatyr, kakpan (for catching animals). hi
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 4 February 2016 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: Humpty
            As well as prezerny machine, karburatyr, kakpan (for catching animals)

            Oh, the last name flew out of my memory, but there was one minor boss, back in Soviet times. Here are some of his pearls - "flat-bearers" - flat-nose pliers, "don't play the fool!" - don't play the fool, "deceit" is deceit laughing And much more fun smile
          2. mAgs
            mAgs 4 February 2016 14: 28
            0
            If you check carefully, then in the Kazakh language there are no "native" words with the letter "F". From this it went, instead of a wardrobe - a wardrobe, etc. With respect.
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 February 2016 15: 32
              +1
              Quote: mAgs
              If you carefully check that there are no "native" words in the Kazakh language with the letter "F"

              Moreover, replaced by P. laughing
    3. Glafira
      Glafira 5 February 2016 01: 26
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      But I cannot understand and accept when the historical "Russian" name of St. Petersburg is returned to the hero-city of Leningrad.

      As they say, fiercely plus. Not at all according to the article ... But .. We must open a movement for historical justice and imperial expediency. There is no feat in the world comparable in scale with the feat of Leningraders in the days of the blockade. "Leningraders, my children ....". And that's all .. before our eyes is the greatest of the heights of the human spirit, certainly in the history of the country, and, perhaps, of world civilization. And try to say: Petersburgers .... Petersburgers .... About nothing at all. If there are associations, then only NEGATIVE ones.
      Renaming was the life work of Sobchak, and supported by the inhabitants of the city in the delirium of perestroika. Now Leningraders have changed their attitude to Sobchak by 180 degrees. It is time to correct what he has done.
      Let us return to the cities their historical (in the real sense) names !!! Volgograd - STALINGRAD !! Petersburg --- LENINGRAD !!!
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 4 February 2016 07: 17
    +3
    And in Kurgan there is such a village. Only lived in it and now live, for more than 30 years. The settlement Mostyotryad, when they built the Kurganstalmost. So I’m not even surprised. Well, it’s not up to our tops, oil is falling, the ruble is falling, and you are here.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 4 February 2016 07: 18
    -2
    When the USSR collapsed and Russia weakened, our "allies" in the form of the republics of the USSR began to survive the Russians and throw mud at Russia. But the Russians fought for them, built infrastructure for them, taught them to read and write, and some Asian republics in general came up with the alphabet and writing. from the Warsaw Treaty countries they went even further, joined NATO, deployed on their territory US troops hostile to Russia. Why does Russia need all this fuss with Tajiks, Uzbeks, then Putin will forgive them debts, then he will sell something on the cheap, and they sleep and they see how to pull off something else from Russia. That the Uzbeks, that the Tajiks are utterly dull, the Afghans are probably 100 times smarter. We need to remove our soldiers from the Tajik-Afghan border, let the Taliban kill them
    1. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 09: 10
      +1
      Russian soldiers, have not stood on the Tajik-Afghan border for a long time. The Taliban are mostly Pashtuns. They are located in the southern regions of Afghanistan. It is unlikely that you met with a smart Afghan, judging by yours ... you don’t know what you are talking about.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 4 February 2016 12: 02
        +1
        you’re kind of strange, before you write, try to read, I don’t even speak about visiting, but there remained 201 base (the former division), border guards, now in the status of advisers and some kind of support force, we haven’t even talked about the Taliban when in the early 90s the Islamists rushed to Tajikistan and ask what was happening then
        1. sleeping sayan
          sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 31
          0
          , I served there urgently from May 93 to June 94, but I did not see you there!
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 4 February 2016 13: 42
            +1
            I served there from May 84 to November 85, "and I didn't see you there!" smile
            1. sleeping sayan
              sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 14: 03
              0
              And then what was there?
              1. Igor V
                Igor V 4 February 2016 19: 48
                0
                Then there was choi, pilaf, lagman, Pamir and grapes. We had an omp, I don’t remember the intention, and in general it was rarely called, it was patched on the banner. Going about their business, was in the Dushanbe division more than once. If you were in Dushanbe and didn’t have time to regiment for lunch, we stopped there, there were no refusals. smile The guys from the division envied us, but there was nothing to envy, they drove us through the mountains. Although not particularly strong. But the beauty and grandeur of the mountains still cause some sense of delight if you look at some photos.
              2. Igor V
                Igor V 4 February 2016 19: 48
                0
                Then there was choi, pilaf, lagman, Pamir and grapes. We had an omp, I don’t remember the intention, and in general it was rarely called, it was patched on the banner. Going about their business, was in the Dushanbe division more than once. If you were in Dushanbe and didn’t have time to regiment for lunch, we stopped there, there were no refusals. smile The guys from the division envied us, but there was nothing to envy, they drove us through the mountains. Although not particularly strong. But the beauty and grandeur of the mountains still cause some sense of delight if you look at some photos.
        2. sleeping sayan
          sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 48
          0
          Do you know what RTG is? Previously 191msp, 3 (three) company tactical groups, on the cover of the Pyanj pogo. 149msp, 4 (four) RTG, on the cover of the Moscow pogo. Now they’ve removed the combat duty from 201msd. And now it's not ffm but base.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 4 February 2016 10: 04
      +4
      Quote: Yak28
      It is necessary to remove our soldiers from the Tajik-Afghan border, let their Taliban kill

      But I strongly disagree with this! We will remove our troops - these Taliban will trample for us straight away, without delay. After all, the Tajiks and the Army have virtually no. Some show off! Ukraine is not enough for us? Or Georgia?
  • annodomene
    annodomene 4 February 2016 07: 44
    15
    "... to return the country to its cultural roots .."? Is it for donkeys, kishlaks and auls? laughing
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 February 2016 07: 57
      +4
      Quote: annodomene
      Is it for donkeys, villages and auls?


      And this is who, as a culture, understands and perceives. Someone like that.
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 4 February 2016 08: 34
      +3
      To the slave trade and drug trafficking.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 4 February 2016 10: 11
        +4
        Russia tried to drag Tajikistan from feudalism into socialism, bypassing the capitalist stage of development. They separated from Russia, so what? They immediately returned to their native feudalism, it seems to them more familiar to them. There’s nothing to be surprised at. Just read or remember the classics of Marxism and everything will fall into place.
        But the slave trade and drug trafficking are in a normal state for them.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 February 2016 07: 58
    +8
    This is in response to the fact that since the 20s the RSFSR within the USSR played an important (main) role in supporting and preserving the national culture, language of Tajiks, improving their education and creating an economy in the republic. So far we get from the "allies" for good.
  • Million
    Million 4 February 2016 07: 59
    +1
    Rename Chkalovsk to Basmachovsk)
  • Humpty
    Humpty 4 February 2016 08: 08
    +4
    The proud Tajiks (at home) renamed the peak of Communism, though no one calls it outside of proud Tajikistan. There is one caveat, for example, to take the Caucasus, there are almost all visible peaks, especially the highest ones (Shkhara, Kazbek, Dykhtau, etc.) that have local ancient names, which cannot be said about Wed. Az., Why is this a separate historical theme (still that). So, a penochka. To rename the mountain, a certain order of formalities is required, in particular, climbing. For the ascent with the aim of renaming, there was not anyone in all of proud Tajikistan who would go there. I had to attract for this citizens of a neighboring state (or even two, how to look). The hetman (Snow Leopard No. 9) was expelled by the Tajiks; he is retiring somewhere in Munich's gateways collecting bottles.
  • Peaceful Basmach
    Peaceful Basmach 4 February 2016 08: 09
    +3
    As he was for us, Chkalovsk will remain so. It is a pity for the demise of course when people's memory is erased. Father said that Emomali is a good man and he is familiar with him, not very visible. And so a beautiful city, even a park with a Ferris wheel, is similar to Kurchatov in the Kursk region.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 4 February 2016 10: 29
      +4
      As Chkalovsk was for us, it will remain so
      I graduated from the Central Asian Polytechnic in Chkalovsk, this news was unpleasantly struck. Just yesterday, my wife was told that in Chkalovsk (unlike the others) they kept the old street names and on you .... got it. Mucked up such a beautiful city, cows graze on the lawns. The Germans left first, then the Russians, now the city has an unenviable fate. Buston .... big top, damn it
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 4 February 2016 10: 51
        +4
        Quote: strannik595
        The Germans left first, then the Russians, now the city has an unenviable fate. Buston .... big top, damn it

        Yes Yes . My grandmother sometimes, when the nerves were not enough, told them - Kerum Garum obigarm.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 4 February 2016 08: 24
    13
    My friend, originally from Chkalovsk, talked a lot about his town. there were no locals at all, only Germans, Tatars and Russian specialists. Everyone plowed for the defense industry. When the boom began, the "kishlachniks," as he calls them, literally squeezed them out of their own homes. sold for a pittance, they left wherever. The Germans have all been in Germany for a long time. This is the question of, like, traitors to the previous topic. Nobody was waiting for them in Russia. My friend climbed long and hard. Well, of course, we helped as much as we could. It's only foreign artists and boxers who receive Russian passports in 3 days. Their rot and rot in full.
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 4 February 2016 13: 32
      +5
      I myself was born and raised in Chkalovsk. My parents are from the Urals, then my father was transferred to Leninabad-30 for work, and then he became Chkalovsk. I was already born there. And I remember well what it was like under the USSR, and how it became after the independence of Tajikistan. I well remember how I had to leave with suitcases. You say for a song, so many just threw everything and left what they could carry. And I still remember my feelings in the Russian FMS, when your parents (they were born in the RSFSR) citizenship, and you (born in the Tajik SSR) have a residence permit, wait 5 years, and then it will be seen. And then black.zh.pye, for the loot, receive citizenship immediately. Nobody helped, no one we here they were not needed! And yet. When here on VO, all sorts of Kazakhs-Asians and other Basmachi-nationalists begin all sorts of "songs" about the Russian invaders, independence, and other baida ... emotions are shorter than scale. I don't remember who did that. , Frunze or Sokolnikov, surround and cut down 2 kishlaks, in the third immediately Soviet power! abai, elm, and other epithets (I would say, come on), do not understand, do not understand, and will never understand!
  • oracul
    oracul 4 February 2016 08: 30
    +7
    Rakhmonov, still that "goose". If it were not for the threat from Afghanistan, I would have asked Russia long ago from its territory, and so we have to endure. I state that there are no real allies who are ready to really support us in difficult situations. Both Kazakhstan and Belarus are verbally with us only due to the fact that Nazarbayev and Lukashenko are still at the head. And even then with their own interests - at the turns of history, they often put them in the wrong place.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 4 February 2016 08: 36
    +8
    Bring all Tajiks back to Tajikistan. Let them return to their culture there. And ban entry into Russia.
  • Peaceful Basmach
    Peaceful Basmach 4 February 2016 08: 37
    +3
    Leninobad has long been renamed Khojent (Khujant), as we (immigrants, as well as guest workers) call Leninobad in the old way.
  • dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh 4 February 2016 08: 49
    +3
    Quote: TotalWar
    Here is such a vile "eastern mentality", alas, this applies to all southern "allies" of Russia.


    Freaks ... Savages from the mountains went down and seized power ... How many of ours were killed in the beginning of the 90s ... And now they remembered that they cannot fuck themselves ... Cattle ...
    1. ashat2906
      ashat2906 4 February 2016 18: 48
      +2
      strange, for some reason, only Russians and Kazakhs on the site, where are the others? .., do not have the ability or desire? .., and having the opportunity or desire to convey, the idea is that you are scum.
  • 24rus
    24rus 4 February 2016 08: 58
    -6
    It would be nice to hold a referendum and return Tajikistan already
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 09: 19
      +6
      Quote: 24rus
      It would be nice to hold a referendum and return Tajikistan already

      Countryman, why the hell he bumped into our bolt. Vaughn Krastets has long been a Tajik and an Uzbek and a Kyrgyz in one bottle. It’s enough for Mother Russia to smear with niello, which give free rein and she will cut our throats with all her jihad.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 4 February 2016 10: 00
        +2
        Tajikistan is very good, like a buffer zone in front of Afghanistan. Drug traffic, etc.
        1. not a Jew
          not a Jew 4 February 2016 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: Darkness
          Tajikistan is very good, like a buffer zone in front of Afghanistan. Drug traffic, etc.

          Well, and force him to Russian military bases. And send all their Gaster to their homeland. They will calmly get tomatoes and other tasty thing to grow for us. Everyone will be happy.
  • lame
    lame 4 February 2016 09: 12
    +4
    What did you want? What policy is being pursued in the Russian Federation will be so. Now, if all Tajiks from Russia were sent to their historical homeland
    "return the country to cultural roots"

    maybe something would start to change.
  • bikeev1234
    bikeev1234 4 February 2016 09: 17
    +4
    Drive guest workers with a filthy broom.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 4 February 2016 12: 51
      +4
      Quote: bikeev1234
      Drive guest workers with a filthy broom.

      wink
  • Million
    Million 4 February 2016 09: 27
    +2
    "return the country to cultural roots"

    In other words, return to the Middle Ages
  • Belousov
    Belousov 4 February 2016 09: 52
    +4
    The worst thing is that we will go out. Our vaunted diplomats will say that "nothing special has happened, this is an internal affair of Tajiks / Uzbeks / Kazakhs, etc.", then they will declare that there is no opportunity to be in time everywhere, although in the times of the USSR they had time everywhere and no one dared to utter a word. We should have squeezed the Ravshans and Dzhamshuts out of Russia for a long time, but our officials (read businessmen) have only one goal - to gain personal benefit, the state is not our assistant here. And having evicted at least 50 thousand newcomers could put a lot of pressure on Rakhmonov - less money is transferred to the homeland to families, the return of such a number of poor and unemployed (and taking into account unsecured families, there will be a quarter of a million) will contribute to serious social instability in the country. And to convey to Rakhmonov that either he really respects Russia and the Russians, or everyone else will go home.
  • sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 09: 56
    -1
    In many republics, the Russian presence remains. Kazakhstan-Baikonur, landfills. Kyrgyzstan-Kant, landfill in Issyk-Kule. Armenia-base in Gyumri. Tajikistan-201, Nurek-Okno. So that you don’t all speak here, but they are needed in Russia.
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 10: 28
      +3
      Quote: sleeping Sayan
      In many republics, the Russian presence remains. Kazakhstan-Baikonur, landfills.
      rgizstan-Kant, a training ground in Issyk-Kul. Armenia-base in Gyumri. Tajikistan-201, Nurek-Okno. So that you all do not speak here, but they are needed in Russia.

      Russia pays almost all of them for rent if Che.
      1. sleeping sayan
        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 10: 49
        +2
        Well, if you feel sorry for the money withdraw from all republics of the base, equipment, l / s, as from the Baltic states. But it will not be you who decide. This is geopolitics! I also thought why we were there, in 93. By the way, for non-Jewish Jews, there was a whole front in Dushanbe. But it was little-known in contrast to Tashkent, but it was.
        1. not a Jew
          not a Jew 4 February 2016 11: 12
          +2
          And where are the Jews?
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 4 February 2016 11: 30
            +3
            You both have a fad on yabrei laughing
            1. not a Jew
              not a Jew 4 February 2016 11: 40
              -2
              Quote: miru mir
              You both have a fad on yabrei laughing

              This is my fellow sleeping sleeping Sayan. And I am a serious Jewish scholar. Hi Egordrinks
              1. miru mir
                miru mir 4 February 2016 11: 51
                0
                Hello Valera! And this passenger, in my opinion, is offended by life and dense to regret ...
                1. not a Jew
                  not a Jew 4 February 2016 11: 54
                  0
                  Quote: miru mir
                  And this passenger

                  AAA, and I thought he was your good friend.
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 4 February 2016 13: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: miru mir
                    Hello Valera! And this passenger, in my opinion, is offended by life and dense to regret ...
                    Quote: not a Jew
                    AAA, and I thought he was your good friend.

                    I greet you, Egor and Valera! hi
                    I look, no matter how the conversation starts, it often ends with Jewish themes. bully
                    It would seem that we are talking about Tajikistan and Central Asia - where are the Jews? what
                    1. not a Jew
                      not a Jew 4 February 2016 13: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: andj61
                      I greet you, Egor and Valera!

                      Hello Andrey, how long you have not seen you.
                      But it’s not surprising, the Jews themselves are to blame that everything always rests on them.
                      The point is that our pancake unhappy state will calmly close its balls if they want to finish off the crumbs of the remaining Russians in some Central Asian republic.
                    2. miru mir
                      miru mir 4 February 2016 18: 42
                      0
                      The unsayed Sayan has such a reaction to my blue-white laughing
                2. sleeping sayan
                  sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 05
                  +1
                  It is necessary to work more, a poor repatriate. To justify trust in a new homeland.
                  1. miru mir
                    miru mir 4 February 2016 12: 10
                    +2
                    Much more is Altai AlIgarh? laughing So 40 hours a week, at least. And no one requires me to justify trust ...
                    1. sleeping sayan
                      sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 14
                      0
                      Look how "they" drove you 40chasov.Ty there some sort of sabotage arrange these Zionists-ona.ni.st.am.
                      1. miru mir
                        miru mir 4 February 2016 12: 18
                        +1
                        What for? I am young, healthy, 40 hours is normal. And how long do you work? And where?
                      2. sleeping sayan
                        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 26
                        +2
                        I rode a snowmobile in the morning in the fields. There was no penetration, no one cut down the forest, I didn’t take it out. I counted the traces of ungulates, roe deer, and deer. On the way I shot at a target in the form of a vile bat from SKS, fired 5 (five) rounds . Everything in the target, my hand is firm, my eye is sharp, as in youth. I have never missed.
                      3. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                        I rode a snowmobile in the morning in the fields. There was no penetration, no one cut down the forest, I didn’t take it out. I counted the traces of ungulates, roe deer, and deer. On the way I shot at a target in the form of a vile bat from SKS, fired 5 (five) rounds . Everything in the target, my hand is firm, my eye is sharp, as in youth. I have never missed.
                        Reply

                        Jews do not allow you to count dead wood? Or is it envious that someone is building rockets, but you have not advanced further than the forest watchman? Although dead wood counting is also an important and useful specialty.
                      4. sleeping sayan
                        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 14: 32
                        0
                        I do not consider Valerzhnyk. I count drill forest and ungulate migration, well, fur. And as for the missiles, my health and mine are more expensive. We have clean mountain air, ecology, I am silent about vitamins. And mind you, Jewish kamikaze is free.
                      5. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                        I do not consider Valerzhnyk. I count drill forest and ungulate migration, well, fur. And as for the missiles, my health and mine are more expensive. We have clean mountain air, ecology, I am silent about vitamins. And mind you, Jewish kamikaze is free.
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                        Well you're lucky, so lucky. I look out of my window at the waves of the Mediterranean Sea and think, I will throw everything to hell and go to you to Vorkuta to deer and reindeer count.
                      6. sleeping sayan
                        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 14: 54
                        0
                        You forgot the Jewish kamikaze, one nuance to add. When you, and all of you walk along the streets, then shake so that some kind of oppressed Arab would not let you have a duodenum.
                      7. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 4 February 2016 15: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                        You forgot the Jewish kamikaze, one nuance to add. When you, and all of you walk along the streets, shake so that some kind of oppressed Arab would not let out the twelfth.

                        Yes, we are all numbed from fear, we don’t know how to fight, stupid as deer, losers and rogues. Sayan, to be honest, you are our hero. We can’t get to your career peaks. And one more minus, our reindeer moss grows poorly.
              2. miru mir
                miru mir 4 February 2016 18: 53
                +1
                Your lands? The owner of factories, newspapers, ships? I knock out 96 from the berret and 92 from the "Tavor", with you, the sniper, I cannot compare ...
              3. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 19: 04
                0
                Quote: miru mir
                Your lands? The owner of factories, newspapers, ships? I knock out 96 from the berret and 92 from the "Tavor", with you, the sniper, I cannot compare ...

                Sholem, how are you?
                At the expense of the Jews in c. Asia, what can I say-progressive is Russian, USSR.
                And there were a lot of Jews, by the way, Jews earlier appeared in Ts. Asia than friend laughing
                Ours alone are swarming, here is the KGB archive, where our Kazakhs did not reduce the fucking population.
                So without Jews then life would be hard, by the way, once again, you had previously appeared-medicine.
              4. miru mir
                miru mir 4 February 2016 19: 26
                +1
                Salaam, life is beautiful! I, Bola, a little not a Jew, from a Cossack family laughing
                Quote: marshes
                So without Jews then life would be hard, by the way, once again, you had previously appeared-medicine.

                And before, they paid little attention to nationality.
              5. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 19: 56
                +1
                Quote: miru mir
                And before, they paid little attention to nationality.

                By the way, the first doctors were Jews in Kazakhstan.
                Mother-in-law bro from Poland, damn recalls when she was little how the Kazakhs accepted her, already tears. Now she lives in Ashdot and calls us ... laughing
              6. miru mir
                miru mir 4 February 2016 20: 05
                +1
                So take a look, then share your impressions smile
              7. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 20: 11
                0
                Quote: miru mir
                So take a look, then share your impressions

                Here we are going laughing Well, damn it, whatever it is, things are going on, even our winter vacation has become local. Yes, I'm afraid to fly there, the situation is tense there, they will still be knocked down. laughing
                Even in Tai and Goa this year they refused to go, especially since the two now have to go four together. laughing Expensive.
                But come! laughing
              8. Kaiten
                Kaiten 4 February 2016 20: 40
                +2
                Quote: marshes
                Expensive.

                A hotel may be expensive for your pocket. But I think my mother-in-law will settle at home. And since the tour is an average of 2000r per person, food prices are about 10% higher than yours. Sea for free. Relatives from Russia have come to us with such a makar for several years.
              9. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 21: 01
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                A hotel may be expensive for your pocket.

                Damn, this is not the case, the air defense is fucking. As a family of Abrmovichs, we move around the city in two different cars. smile
                Eilat, it’s not bad to fly ... You can not publish the list of dangerous countries. JUVA - the infection wanders, so we tolerate it. laughing
                By the way mother-in-law bro laughing it was me who previously wedged wedges, my brother went to look for me ... now there are four daughters. laughing
              10. Kaiten
                Kaiten 4 February 2016 21: 42
                0
                Quote: marshes
                Air defense freaking

                I am at a loss. Does bro's mother-in-law serve in air defense?
              11. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 21: 44
                +1
                Quote: Kaiten
                I am at a loss.

                I generally ceased to understand what he writes request
              12. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 21: 51
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                I am at a loss. Does bro's mother-in-law serve in air defense?

                laughing
                Well, from Almaty, how will the flight go? Through Iran? Who is nearby ... It’s dangerous, before that, a bro flew through Turkey.
              13. Kaiten
                Kaiten 4 February 2016 22: 16
                0
                Quote: marshes
                next to someone ..

                Russian Su-34 from the limited contingent in the SAR
              14. marshes
                marshes 4 February 2016 22: 20
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                Russian Su-34 from the limited contingent in the SAR

                Seriously, it’s dangerous to fly. You are people who are used to living so constantly, they will bring down and you will not find the ends. smile if only through India, by the way with the UAE, are there flights?
              15. Kaiten
                Kaiten 5 February 2016 11: 20
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Seriously, it’s dangerous to fly. You are people who are used to living so constantly, they will bring down and you will not find the ends. if only through India, by the way with the UAE, are there flights?

                Yeah, and there is a train. "The Abu Dhabi-Jerusalem train departs from the 3rd platform. Ladies in hijabs should wear suicide belts."
                With rare exceptions, we have no deep dip with the Arab countries. relationship.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 February 2016 21: 01
      +2
      Quote: Kaiten
      Relatives from Russia have come to us with such a makar for several years.

      And how are they written to relatives living on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea?
      wassat
    3. Kaiten
      Kaiten 4 February 2016 21: 39
      +2
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      And how are they written to relatives living on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea?

      It's not hard. Pisya, a knife and a rabbi - these are 3 components of success.
    4. marshes
      marshes 4 February 2016 21: 46
      0
      Quote: Kaiten
      It's not hard. Pisya, a knife and a rabbi - these are 3 components of success.

      Yes, this is from that story ... laughing
    5. Kaiten
      Kaiten 4 February 2016 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      Yes, this is from that story ...

      Exactly
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 20: 37
    0
    Quote: marshes
    in Ashdot

    lives in the city area?
  • marshes
    marshes 4 February 2016 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    lives in the city area?

    As there, it’s not an apartment ... such as a private house for two owners. The house is large over 100 sq. M. Well, here is the affairs of an older brother, for no reason she could not buy ... Okay, do not let the tax authorities ... laughing
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 21: 40
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    Large house over 100 sq.m

    More precisely, 150 total, 133 residential?
  • marshes
    marshes 4 February 2016 21: 43
    +1
    Quote: Kaiten
    More precisely, 150 total, 133 residential?

    I only took photos, I wasn’t there yet. Brother, nieces, daughter-in-law twice a year.
    so there is a desire to go, well, your own family, plus parents on me. The youngest in the family. smile
  • sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 19: 34
    0
    About what I spoke. Unlike the popularly known Tashkent front, there were other fronts: Dushanbe, Frunze, Alma-Ata. But this is a little studied and little explored topic.
  • sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 19: 08
    0
    The wealth is not mine, but the state.
    and I don’t need it for nothing, whose alteration is fake? I prefer KO-44, Elk, Tiger, SKS, Saiga and a lot of domestic ones, mind you haven’t remade it.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 19: 31
    0
    Yeah, that is, you are not an aligarch, but a forester. Well, all work is respected and honorable. And about the brand, who told you all sorts of nonsense? And why alteration? Because it is not a cloth-and-cloth ?!
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: Sleeping Sayan
    It is necessary to work more, a poor repatriate. To justify trust in a new homeland.

    A non-Jew, if he returns to Buryatia, will become a repatriate.
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 14: 29
      +1
      Quote: Kaiten
      A non-Jew, if he returns to Buryatia, will become a repatriate.

      Again a gross mistake, dear. I will be a repatriate if I return to Belarus.
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: not a Jew
        Again a gross mistake, dear. I will be a repatriate if I return to Belarus.

        Oh, we now consider ourselves to be Belarusians? And who convinced me 2 nicknames ago that he was not Russian, but had Buryat roots and beautiful slanting eyes. Or are you like a padded jacket, a secret Shiite?
      2. not a Jew
        not a Jew 4 February 2016 14: 56
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Oh, we now consider ourselves to be Belarusians? And who convinced me 2 nicknames ago that he was not Russian, but had Buryat roots and beautiful slanting eyes.

        Oooooooooooooooooooo, how you got a little sulky in the Mediterranean sun. belay
        I thought you cured your girl’s memory, but no.
        I said that I have a small admixture of Buryat blood, and my eyes are not close slanting.
        The padded jacket is your fellow tribesman, only for some reason he does not want to admit it.
      3. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 February 2016 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: not a Jew
        Oooooooooooooooooooo, how you got a little sulky in the Mediterranean sun.
        I thought you cured your girl’s memory, but no.
        I said that I have a small admixture of Buryat blood, and my eyes are not close slanting.

        Do not be so nervous, otherwise the Buryats will be offended. But you do not consider yourself Russian?
      4. not a Jew
        not a Jew 4 February 2016 15: 05
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Do not be so nervous, otherwise the Buryats will be offended. But you do not consider yourself Russian?

        And who should I consider myself, in your opinion, huh?
      5. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 February 2016 15: 12
        0
        Quote: not a Jew

        And who should I consider myself, in your opinion, huh?

        And what did you convince me in one of the correspondence that you do not care what nicknames the surrounding peoples call Russians, since you are not Russian.
      6. not a Jew
        not a Jew 4 February 2016 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Kaiten
        well, you convinced me in one of the correspondence that you do not care what nicknames the surrounding peoples call Russians, since you are not Russian.

        Throw in the PM this very fragment for starters. You’re driving it specifically. You pour a lot of water into the mill, I immediately said that it’s Russian.
      7. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 February 2016 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: not a Jew

        Throw in the PM this very fragment for a start. You pour a lot of water into the mill, I immediately said that it’s Russian.
        so Kushimak died, with all the correspondence he rested in a Bose, as you remember, after someone promised to come to him and beat him with a leg.
      8. not a Jew
        not a Jew 4 February 2016 15: 38
        +1
        what kusimak, who was going to beat whom with a leg?
        You see how it turns out, you don’t have proof of my alleged words that you yourself invented. You need to screen your vis-a-vis your friends, at least you had something to present.
      9. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 February 2016 18: 41
        0
        Quote: not a Jew

        what kusimak, who was going to beat whom with a leg?
        You see how it turns out, you don’t have proof of my alleged words that you yourself invented. You need to screen your vis-a-vis your friends, at least you had something to present.

        Maybe you still don’t remember who Krasmash is?
        Valera, I'm not you. I do not collect dirt on other forum participants. It’s you, we’re a liquid fighter with a scientific approach.
      10. not a Jew
        not a Jew 4 February 2016 18: 49
        0
        Don’t distort my past nickname. They banned me because he came across moderators because they work hell knows how. And now, let’s whistle who was going to come to me and kick me. You generally put me in an emergency and hid That. Once again I repeat, you can’t confirm the words, it’s better to be silent;
      11. sleeping sayan
        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 18: 55
        0
        And here you are. And I’m looking for you on another branch. Recently, on a running line: 2 (two) 13-year-olds, Palestinians injured an Israeli. I thought that it’s spoiled the liver for you.
      12. miru mir
        miru mir 4 February 2016 19: 42
        0
        Hold your tongue, shell-shocked am
    2. andj61
      andj61 4 February 2016 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: Kaiten
      Valera, I'm not you. I do not collect dirt on other forum participants. It’s you, we’re a liquid fighter with a scientific approach.

      Let me disagree with you! stop
      Valera, of course, can not be called a lover of the Jews, but he does not deserve such a word - there is overkill!
      He is more likely to be distinguished by the desire to "pin up", to joke, to humor, but hardly more. Even Valera's provocations are harmless. Moreover, he is constantly in contradiction with the moderators - he has a great sense of justice!
      Alexander atalef - this is who is special in provocations good , I’m learning from him - and I’m not hiding it. hi
    3. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 19: 26
      0
      Quote: andj61
      Yes, even with the moderators are constantly on the counter - a sense of justice is developed he has great

      This is to go nuts. Right now the Banshee soldered the fine to me, but there is no Jewish kaiten. Provocation of clean water.
    4. Kaiten
      Kaiten 4 February 2016 19: 34
      0
      Quote: not a Jew
      This is to go nuts. Right now the Banshee soldered the fine to me, but there is no Jewish kaiten. Provocation of clean water.

      The machinations of Tel Aviv?
    5. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 19: 39
      0
      Quote: Kaiten
      The machinations of Tel Aviv?

      Perhaps. By the way, it is usual for some of yours to knock on the people.
  • Mr. Pip
    Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 19: 44
    -2
    Quote: not a Jew
    Provocation of pure water.

    So do not provoke, racism is not acceptable in a decent society.
  • not a Jew
    not a Jew 4 February 2016 19: 47
    0
    Quote: Mr PIP
    Quote: not a Jew
    Provocation of pure water.

    So do not provoke, racism is not acceptable in a decent society.

    Where the fuck was racism on my part? fool
  • valera
    valera 4 February 2016 21: 07
    0
    Quote: Mr PIP
    Quote: not a Jew
    Provocation of pure water.

    So do not provoke, racism is not acceptable in a decent society.

    Don’t write dullness with a smart look, I didn’t provoke any racism. It was the Jew who first hit me. By the way, they didn’t solder the fine. fool fool fool
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 21: 12
    0
    You are lazy, Valera-even lazy to write a name with a capital laughing
  • valera
    valera 4 February 2016 21: 17
    0
    You’re laughing, go with a padded jacket
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 21: 36
    0
    Ugh, are you banned, am I to blame ?! Cho are you throwing like a dog? And with a quilted jacket I’m on the same field uh ... I won’t sit down. Only if he is bald.
  • valera
    valera 4 February 2016 21: 44
    0
    Sayan was also removed, but you and kaiten were not even touched. What the hell is that.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 21: 53
    0
    The sianist conspiracy ?!
  • valera
    valera 4 February 2016 21: 57
    0
    Yes, who knows. The Israelites, apparently a moderator someone from your tribe crushed.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 22: 10
    +1
    Vayvayvay! Go look at the water in the tap?
    Today was at the solemn ceremony of handing a little daughter-daughter my school graduation. Post a photo?
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 04: 07
    0
    Quote: miru mir
    Go look at the water in the tap?

    By the way, at my place yesterday morning there was neither hot nor cold water.
    Of course post a picture
  • miru mir
    miru mir 5 February 2016 12: 03
    +1
    Hold on. Is the dossier still leading me? Do not forget to file this document laughing And yes, Valera, whose flag is it waving there?
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 12: 11
    0
    Uh, what kind of bullshit. What did you post something common. Which?
  • miru mir
    miru mir 5 February 2016 12: 27
    0
    Not this, in this case it is important, but the Russian flag along with the Israeli one on the flagpole.
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 12: 44
    0
    Quote: miru mir
    Not this, in this case is important,

    How shy, daddy's daughter is shy laughing, you want to say in PM.
    For some reason they hung the Russian flag, it is unclear why. Your Americans are friends, and you had to weigh their rag, otherwise they were offended.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 5 February 2016 12: 57
    0
    Why not at all.

    This is me in response to all sorts of mahmuds and to. I'm trying to tear your eyes
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 13: 02
    0
    What are these rocks laughing
  • miru mir
    miru mir 5 February 2016 13: 10
    0
    This is a monument to the victory of the Red Army over Nazi Germany. Located in the city of Netanya. Do you have Google?
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 13: 16
    0
    Yes, I installed it half an hour ago. Just don’t have to scam me, since you posted the photo, then bother to immediately inform the artist on the picture. I noticed the monuments you love. I saw one, the soldiers climb the stairs up to the sky.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 5 February 2016 15: 26
    0
    In many countries they try to immortalize their heroes.
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 15: 49
    0
    Even in Israel's favorite Iran
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 22: 55
    0
    Quote: Valera
    Yes, who knows. The Israelites, apparently a moderator someone from your tribe crushed.

    Only today at work one Madame of the Moroccan tribe claimed that the "Russians" would get everything at a preferential price. And cars and apartments. You are Valera, you could sing a duet with her.
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 04: 09
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    Only today at work one Madame of the Moroccan tribe claimed that the "Russians" would get everything at a preferential price. And cars and apartments. You are Valera, you could sing a duet with her.

    She is right. The state is Jewish, but it helps her in the first place.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 5 February 2016 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Valera
    She is right. The state is Jewish, but it helps her in the first place.

    Valera, don't be stupid. In our state, all Jews are, and the difference is in the country of origin. I am "Russian" and she is "Moroccan". A real Arab Moroccan will not be able to enter Israel for permanent residence.
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 11: 25
    -3
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: Valera
    She is right. The state is Jewish, but it helps her in the first place.

    Valera, don't be stupid. In our state, all Jews are, and the difference is in the country of origin. I am "Russian" and she is "Moroccan". A real Arab Moroccan will not be able to enter Israel for permanent residence.

    If so, it means you know how to lick your ass well, whoever needs it. You have a skillful language. And the woman seems to be very decent and honest.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 5 February 2016 17: 11
    0
    Quote: Valera
    If so, it means you know how to lick your ass well, whoever needs it. You have a skillful language. And the woman seems to be very decent and honest.

    Valera, with a character like yours, I seem to understand why you're not married yet. Women really do not like spontaneously aggressive males. Guo in emergency?
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 17: 42
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    Women really do not like spontaneously aggressive males. Guo in emergency?

    No need to mess, you yourself said I was a great guy.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 22: 36
    0
    Quote: miru mir
    You are lazy, Valera-even lazy to write a name with a capital

    Hebrew probably masters. There are no capital letters in Hebrew.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 22: 41
    0
    And it is quite possible smile In vain you ran into him, he sometimes knows how to think.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 22: 51
    0
    Quote: miru mir
    In vain you ran into him, he sometimes knows how to think.

    Yes, I did not run into him. Just funny. Valera is a great guy, and personally I really like.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 22: 48
    0
    Quote: Valera
    the Jew came first.
  • valera
    valera 5 February 2016 04: 38
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    Valera is a great guy, and personally I really like.

    Noticeably.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 19: 41
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    I do not collect dirt on other forum participants. It’s you, we’re a liquid fighter with a scientific approach.

    This is his hobby. laughing
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 February 2016 18: 55
    0
    Do you miss mahmudka then? laughing
  • sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 11: 34
    +1
    But, you are, "NOT-JEW". Or you are not sure of this. And what percentage of Semitic blood is present?
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 11: 38
      0
      Quote: Sleeping Sayan
      But, you, "NOT-JEWISH"

      Absolutely right
      Quote: Sleeping Sayan
      .Or you are not sure

      I am sure
      Quote: Sleeping Sayan
      And what kind of% of Semitic blood is present?

      Not a gram
      1. sleeping sayan
        sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 11: 45
        +1
        And then what offended you? Usually "it" hurts "them"
        1. not a Jew
          not a Jew 4 February 2016 11: 48
          0
          You mixed something up and for some reason pulled the Jews, but personally, nothing hurt me.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 10
    0
    Quote: not a Jew
    And where are the Jews?

    Finally, they remembered. And I’m still thinking when will the tsimes finally begin.
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 4 February 2016 15: 53
      0
      Quote: Kaiten
      Finally, they remembered. And I’m still thinking when will the tsimes finally begin.

      Yes, I understand. Jews feel uneasy when they are deprived of their attention.
  • Taras_77.
    Taras_77. 4 February 2016 10: 15
    10
    Quote: Gun70
    It is not necessary to cut one size fits all, dear. Kazakhs are loyal allies. Although I myself hate some of the "maneuvers" of our government.
    See https://news.mail.ru/politics/24728212/?frommail=1

    Oh, they touched a heart, about the renaming of cities, I myself am from eastern Kazakhstan, from Ust-Kamenogorsk. So, it was quiet there in the 90s, well, the local Natsik shouted, and that's all, but now, starting from the middle of 2000, the epidemic started. There was such a wonderful city Semipalatinsk, which took its name from the Seven Chambers, and now it is Semey and when asked by Kazakh friends how it is translated and what it means, they cannot answer me, I am already silent about small villages, my city is "the mouth of stone mountains ", while unofficially called Oskemen. Streets rename it all at once, and how many busts of significant people have appeared, guess what nationality ?! And this despite the fact that the city is (for the time being) one-third Russian. And now about how the local population perceives itself as an ally of Russia. I personally faced a situation when a lady told me in my face that I should go to my homeland, and a law enforcement officer, looking me in the face, said: "Well, she is right, go to your Russia and download your rights there," while I then he was still a citizen of Kazakhstan, and they still haut the customs union. But what is interesting, remember, in 14 we had a crisis, and so they rushed to Novosib and Altai to buy apartments, why do you think? And they prepare the soil for themselves to escape. We have no allies in the south, here they only understand strength, it is useless to talk.
  • Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 4 February 2016 10: 40
    +1
    Quote: Roy
    Damn the Leninist-Bolshevik "national policy" that cut the body of a united Russian Empire into dozens of artificially created republican and autonomous territorial entities, and even with the right to secede some from the state. And as a result, 1991 was the tragedy of millions of Russian people who ended up in their own native land as foreigners. This is especially true of the Russian people who have lived for centuries in the territories of present-day Eastern and Southern Ukraine and Northern and Eastern Kazakhstan (Southern Siberia). This is an unhealed wound for our entire people.

    What does the Leninist-Bolshevik policy? The Russian Empire fell apart before them. Back in February. And they only collected what, in fact, had already split off into the Union State. Stop wagging your tongue and carry nonsense.
  • Crown
    Crown 4 February 2016 10: 40
    +1
    My opinion, since independent states, let them create conditions for their citizens at home, let them not come to us.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 4 February 2016 10: 42
    +5
    Stop arguing who owes whom. It’s not good for us to make excuses for something. We did what we thought was right and history has already judged us. Most of them recall the life of the USSR as the best time. We will be strong, they themselves will crawl on their knees and will ask for alliances. You need to work on yourself.
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 4 February 2016 10: 50
    +1
    Unfortunately, Tajikistan is not new to renaming. Let us recall such a bacchanalia in Russia, especially during the EBN ... wink
  • jeezar
    jeezar 4 February 2016 10: 53
    +2
    Sometimes it would not hurt to apply the principles of the United States to such "allies" - to keep your hand on your throat.
  • user3970
    user3970 4 February 2016 11: 24
    +4
    I once came across a book by an officer who served in Baikonur. It was very cool to write Booze, partying, trips around Kazakhstan ... It seemed like the truth, since he himself served on Novaya Zemlya and ZFI (Franz Josef Land) and himself tasted all the pleasures of a remote garrison. So the Baikonurets described the native Kazakhs (and I am inclined to believe him), well, this is darkness. The level of life of the beginning of feudalism! Smelly, do not wash for years (lack of water), go by themselves. Children of nature! But these are Kazakhs! And then what about the Uzbeks and Tajiks? ! Which states? Or let it be like in Libya or Afghanistan, let them wet each other to the point of insanity. By the way, this applies to some Russian regional leaders. First, Kadyrov cleaned out his father, and then his son continued the work of his father to rid Chechnya of the Russians. Some people on this blog even see this ghoul (I mean Kadyrov) as the country's president! Chur me and Russia! I will never forgive 300 Russians, raped women, girls, children. And this, instead of repenting and building good apartments and houses, previously squeezed from the Russians by his bandits, contains stables for his Arabian horses in the Emirates, for the money that Allah sent him to him. Well, in the end, it has polystyrene skyscrapers and 000-star hotels in Grozny that stink of shit. The capital is in the republic, where the main attraction is the passage of the motorcade of this apricot.
    1. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 13: 35
      0
      Vitaly Chechilo-book Baikonur. I recommend another book by this author. As the first book, this one is also written with humor. So: On the outskirts of the Council of Deputies, author Vitaly Chechilo, humorously writes how he is part of the "valiant" Una-Unso ", with courage he fought against the Russian paratroopers in Abkhazia.
    2. Igor V
      Igor V 4 February 2016 13: 56
      0
      Tajiks are an ancient people with a rich culture, related to Afghans and Hindus. It has nothing to do with the Kazakhs. Semyonov (Tien Shansky), who spent the winter in Tajik villages, wrote: "If someone tells you that Tajiks are different from Russians, you should know that he has never seen Tajiks." My personal impression is that there are very beautiful women in Tajikistan! smile And now there is a political foam and vacuum in relations with Russia. Not really, of course, but still.
    3. ashat2906
      ashat2906 4 February 2016 18: 55
      +1
      You’re just like a liberalist, with an echo of a pose.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 February 2016 11: 25
    +2
    Orenburg is a former Chkalovsk. Leave Tajikistan to the Tajiks. Not Tajikistan was the first to leave the USSR, but Yeltsin and the Russian Federation.
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 4 February 2016 18: 57
      -1
      only black February was in 1990 for a year and a half until September 9, 1991
  • Brother
    Brother 4 February 2016 11: 26
    +1
    Being a fan of network FPS (shooters) he played with one juvenile Kazakh, the question of where he came from (interesting) was the answer - the city of Semey. After a couple of minutes, pedivikia designated this Kazakh Semey ancient Russian Semipalatinsk (still Peter I built).
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 February 2016 11: 48
    +3
    the communist Rakhmonov became Rakhmon long ago, but about the forced migrants from the former republics of the USSR, our authorities stubbornly keep silent about the truth, firstly, it is practically impossible to obtain the status of a forced migrant, and secondly, it is not necessary, to the one who has to do it. It is very difficult for them even to obtain Russian citizenship, and in general the FMS does not deal with these painful issues in any way, until now they are actually fulfilling the doctrine widely advertised by the then Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev, you must stay there and assimilate, and the Russian embassies in the former republics, repaired obstacles in obtaining citizenship, and the instruction is still in force for the then still for the PVS of the Russian Federation, according to which any inspector can doubt the citizenship of the Russian Federation and start a long check, the passport is withdrawn !!! and children who arrived in Russia often have problems where were you (your parents) in 1992, in the early 90s those who made their way to the embassy received a stamp in their passport or later an insert, the same for servicemen in the troops stationed then in the CIS, then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs backwardly recognized these documents as illegal, and the FMS instructions ignore the laws in force in the early 90s, and it is often impossible to get confirmation from the embassies, they often lost these ledgers, where they made the marks, or destroyed "accidentally" and did not mark them in the database , many left without waiting in huge queues, or literally on pain of death, like in Tajikistan.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 February 2016 12: 22
      +2
      That is yes. But Depardieu can tell a completely different story. Maybe in 1991 it was registered in the Russian Federation?
  • Skym
    Skym 4 February 2016 11: 59
    +1
    Hmm ... somewhere we have already seen this ... watching.
    Well, that’s what it means. They just ran to Russia to work. Correctly done with the patent. Patent, patent and patent again. Also, make the rules stricter and raise the bet on it. And that's okay. Not only at the expense of taxpayers fill the treasury. Crisis - the budget needs money. They want to work, let them work for the good of Russia, and not only take out money.
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 4 February 2016 12: 07
    +1
    Marasmus and D.B.Elism are contagious diseases! But it is not clear why our former union republics so insistently want to quickly expose their ass to the Yankees ?! After all, it’s well known that they’ll marry and leave! But all the same, they climb like banderlogs into the mouth of a boa constrictor ... But in Russia, these despicable sons of jackals have nothing to do!
  • Jackking
    Jackking 4 February 2016 12: 16
    +8
    I have always said and will continue to say - all nationalities that have their own independent states should raise the economy of their states in full force, and not "hump for the Russian invaders" lol Therefore, all Tajiks, Uzbeks, Armenians, Georgians, Moldavians, etc. - by ferry (train) and home. And it’s wrong - in the 90s everyone shouted that the Russian occupation was hindering prosperity. Like, how to expel, so live the coolest of all. But for some reason, all the representatives of conditionally prosperous countries found themselves in the homeland of the invaders, where they are looking for work, and even the indigenous people are taught how to live !!! That is, they cheated their country and came to the invaders - they are fools, they will regret and feed again. But after a while, and in general, at the expense of the indigenous population, they are trying to live, and even trying to teach life ... So go home - to raise their homeland!
    And passports that are prescribed for the loot this world ... from - a set for diving as a gift (a steel basin and a bag of cement laughing ).
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 4 February 2016 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: Jackking
      Therefore, all Tajiks, Uzbeks, Armenians, Georgians, Moldavians, etc. - by ferry (train) and home.

      As an Israeli, I must say that you forgot to mention another harmful nationality.
      1. Jackking
        Jackking 4 February 2016 19: 17
        0
        Dear, if I wanted to mention you, I would do it. I do not remember that in the 90s you demanded the expulsion of Russian invaders :))). In addition, I respect those nations that build, not break their throats, and seek the guilty. The hint was that the nations that learned about the existence of a warm toilet from the invaders suddenly imagined that they were something :)))
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 4 February 2016 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: Jackking
          Dear, if I wanted to mention you, I would do it. I do not remember that in the 90s you demanded the expulsion of Russian invaders :))). In addition, I respect those nations that build, not break their throats, and seek the guilty. The hint was that the nations that learned about the existence of a warm toilet from the invaders suddenly imagined that they were something :)))


          respect 100%
    2. ashat2906
      ashat2906 4 February 2016 18: 59
      0
      Therefore, all Tajiks, Uzbeks, Armenians, Georgians, Moldavians, etc. - by ferry (train) and home, and he urgently washed tremors in the geyeropu
      1. Jackking
        Jackking 4 February 2016 19: 13
        0
        I do not pretend to be your place - I feel good at home. But you have to hurry - there are too many people who want to take this place from the democratized countries
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 4 February 2016 19: 28
          0
          Quote: Jackking
          I do not pretend to be your place - I feel good at home. But you have to hurry - there are too many people who want to take this place from the democratized countries

          We will work in this direction :)
          1. Jackking
            Jackking 4 February 2016 19: 38
            0
            why my comments are messed up - this is not for Kaiten (about working in Europe).
  • Mr. Pip
    Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 12: 40
    +2
    From the biography of Rahmon Emon.
    "From 1976 to 1988 he worked as the secretary of the board of the collective farm of the Dangara region of the Kulyab region, chairman of the trade union committee of this economy, and also held a position in party bodies. In June 1988, Rakhmonov became director of the Lenin state farm in the Dangara region, holding this position until November 1992"
    And you are nationalism-nationalism, but just when collective farmers-combine harvesters come to power, nothing good should be expected! request
    1. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 12: 56
      0
      Rakhmonov was brought into politics by the kuliabets, Sangak Safarov, a former leader of the Tajik Popular Front, now deceased.Legenrar personality. Yes, there were German villages near the Dusti district center, they grew grapes, lemons. Aleses (orange in Tajik) saw long greenhouses or lemongrasses. from Nizhny Pyanj, th Germans for wine.
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 13: 19
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        Quote: Sleeping Sayan
        Rakhmonov was brought into politics by Kulyabets, Sangak Safarov

        Sangak Safarov - father repressed, older brother convicted - Safar himself spent a total of 23 years in prison - thefts, pedestrian collisions, murder - The Tajik Higher Military College, now the Military Institute of the Ministry of Defense, was named after Safar belay
        This is what I'm talking about, nationalism is a consequence of the absence of a brain, and the biographies of the "patients" explain this absence, that is, the point is not in some kind of "bomb" of Lenin and not in the nationality "Ylit" but in the original quality of these very "Ylit " request
    2. xorgi
      xorgi 4 February 2016 18: 59
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      Mr. Pip
      Well, frankly, Nicholas II was not a combine operator, but he ruined the empire
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 21: 00
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        Quote: xorgi
        Well, frankly, Nicholas II was not a combine operator, but he ruined the empire

        Well, frankly, it is not entirely correct to compare - and the point is not even that under the "combiner" we did not fight with Germany in WW3 - and the conversation was originally about the phenomenon of "combiners in power" - if under the tsar social elevators practically did not work, then in the USSR, over time, they turned into a courtyard and the devils who were in power - it is both bad.
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 4 February 2016 21: 21
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          I do not agree, the country rotted long before 1917
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 4 February 2016 22: 26
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            Quote: xorgi
            the country rotted long before 1917

            Well, not really rotten, but there were a lot of problems for a long time, you're right.
            And yes, the extreme degrees of social mobility in RI and in the USSR were some of them.
  • Shuhrat
    Shuhrat 4 February 2016 13: 40
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    Quote: My address
    Why did they leave the united country and it became like during the barges?
    Tajikistan did not leave (yes, to be honest where it will go) it was confronted with a fact.
  • Shuhrat
    Shuhrat 4 February 2016 13: 48
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    Quote: iouris
    Orenburg is a former Chkalovsk. Leave Tajikistan to the Tajiks. Not Tajikistan was the first to leave the USSR, but Yeltsin and the Russian Federation.

    This is all the distraction of the population from pressing problems, and their "above the roof". Renamed on paper, as a resident of Tajikistan, I assure you ask how to get to the Leninsky, Moskovsky, Sovetsky, Komsomolabad districts. You will certainly be shown how to get there, although they were renamed almost a quarter of a century ago at the dawn of "independence".
    1. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 4 February 2016 13: 57
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      And also Kalininobad, Kolkhozobad.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 4 February 2016 14: 00
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    And the cultural roots in Tajik names are cool. Dushanbe - Translated as Monday.
  • mealnik2005
    mealnik2005 4 February 2016 14: 07
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    "Chkalovsk was renamed to Buston .."

    They changed one letter (Boston) and think that they have left the foreign name. Another contender for sitting on 2 chairs.
  • staer-62
    staer-62 4 February 2016 15: 40
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    I have been there several times in teams. Nice town, with a deficit there was everything. Fruit vegetables cheap, hotel Leninabad on the lake, heat, a market with melons. Leninabad nearby, Taboshary mountains and black women, variegated women with eyebrows in one line, barefoot children. All sorts of books from car shops, giant fish in the market, a teahouse, I learned to drink green tea there! Eskimo with ice, to the hotel you go from soda to a barrel with kvass, hell.
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