Shoigu: improving long-range aviation is one of the priorities of the Defense Ministry

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Enhancing Far aviation (YES), including the resumption of production of the Tu-160, is today one of the priority tasks of the military department, Sergei Shoigu said at a conference call yesterday.



"I want to emphasize the task of improving the combat capabilities of long-range aviation," the newspaper quoted the minister MIC.

“Today we will look at how the production of the Tu-160 aircraft is being resumed, as well as increasing the level of serviceability of aviation technology,” he added.

Last year, it was reported about the decision to resume production of the latest model of the Tu-160 in a modernized version. The Defense Ministry expects the first aircraft to appear in 2021, its mass production should start with 2023. In total, at least 50 of new cars will be ordered.

It was also noted that the work on the creation of the PAK DA will be continued, although the timing of the project will be shifted. Nevertheless, the commander-in-chief of the VKS, Viktor Bondarev, expressed the hope that the first prototype of the PAK YA will rise into the air before 2021.
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  1. gray smeet Rank
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    3 February 2016 15: 58
    Last year, a decision was made to resume production of the latest Tu-160 in a modernized version. The Ministry of Defense expects that the first aircraft will appear in 2021, its mass production should begin in 2023. In total, at least 50 new cars will be ordered..

    Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!
    1. oldseaman1957 Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 01
      Quote: gray smeet
      Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!
      - If Russia begins to manufacture new TU-160s, it will show the unlimited power of our military-industrial complex already in the aircraft industry.
      1. PHANTOM-AS Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 28
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        - If Russia begins to manufacture new TU-160s, it will show the unlimited power of our military-industrial complex already in the aircraft industry.

        Yeah ..., only it will be in 2021, just 40 years after "The first flight of the prototype (under the designation" 70-01 ") took place on December 18, 1981 at the Ramenskoye airfield. The flight was performed by the crew during headed by test pilot Boris Veremey. ", and 36 years later, as in 1984, Tu-160 was put into serial production at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAPO)."
        A month of Sundays. request
        1. Muvka Rank
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          3 February 2016 17: 00
          The whole joke is that they will not have much in common. All the electronics are different, the weapons are different, I think the engines will also file. + I think they will use more advanced materials.
        2. Blondy Rank
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          3 February 2016 17: 17
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          In 1984, the Tu-160 was put into serial production at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAPO). "
          A month of Sundays.


          Probably, we can hope that during this time the laws of aerodynamics, if they have changed, then quite a bit. Knowledgeable people say that the Tu 160 glider turned out to be very successful, and the entire filling will be very modernized (well, perhaps, the engine is not very - but here you need to remember the first rule of the sysadmin: it works - do not go). During the same time, the states launched as many as two models of their strategic bombers, B1 and B2 — well, where are they? A good vesh does not age morally.

          And frankly, the Tu160, which was developed by Soviet creators and designers, inspires me with much more thanortism than it is developed by current creatives under the guidance and PR of effective PAKDA managers.
          1. PHANTOM-AS Rank
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            3 February 2016 17: 24
            Quote: Blondy
            And frankly, the Tu160, which was developed by Soviet creators and designers, inspires me with much more thanortism than it is developed by current creatives under the guidance and PR of effective PAKDA managers.

            Subscribe! good
          2. _Alexei_ Rank
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            3 February 2016 22: 08
            It’s definitely not bothering the car to work.
        3. sharp-lad Rank
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          3 February 2016 21: 51
          If you stop "trivializing", then no one has anything younger than the plane of the Wright brothers! That is, since December 17, 1903, the old airplane is being modernized and adjusted to the new requirements! laughing Already 112 years old! wassat
          1. Cron1982 Rank
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            4 February 2016 13: 41
            To be exact, American propaganda in action, everywhere Wright, on July 20, 1882, an aircraft designed by A.F. Mozhaysky was tested. Some sources claim that there was even a patent. after were Italians and French. Wright only got 21 years old. Americans know how to PR, here it is worth paying tribute.
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      3. Marconi41 Rank
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        3 February 2016 23: 32
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        If Russia begins to manufacture new TU-160s,

        If this happens, then PAK-DA will move by another 20 years. We’ll see. 50 TU-160 will cover our military intentions in this area with interest.
    2. cniza Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 03
      Increasing the capabilities of Long-Range Aviation (YES), including the resumption of production of the Tu-160, is today one of the priority tasks of the military department, Sergey Shoigu said at a conference call yesterday.



      This is to make the adversaries twitch less and not open their mouths.
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    4. Ami du peuple Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 05
      Quote: gray smeet
      Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!

      Yes, here it is. However, it’s time to replace the Tu-95.
      .. the creation of PAK YES will continue, although the timing of the project will be shifted

      What for? If the Ministry of Defense itself claims that the deeply modernized Tu-160 will be at the level (or higher) of foreign analogues for another half a century? At least make enough "White Swans", so as not to spray. Or will we become like the Americans: will we put several similar projects into series? So the States have incomparably more dough - they can afford it .. I agree that the PAK YES is necessary, but let us fully re-equip strategists for at least one type of aircraft.
      1. Alexanast Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 15
        And not for half a century, but one hundred percent
    5. tilovaykrisa Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 08
      In the USSR, there were 3 regiments of these machines, they simply would have fallen to a camber already in the plans for more than 100; yes, the humpback had all gone through.
      1. michell Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 57
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        In the USSR, there were 3 regiments of these machines, they simply would have fallen to a camber already in the plans for more than 100; yes, the humpback had all gone through.


        Do not write nonsense. In the USSR there was 1 (one) regiment of these vehicles, it was based in Priluki. In addition to the TU-160, there were also TU-22M3. It was possible that 100 cars were planned, this is just three regiments - a full-fledged division.
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    6. avva2012 Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 14
      Quote: gray smeet Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!

      Yeah. In Russia, there were 16, plus they planned another 6 in 2015., To introduce. I do not know whether they appeared or not, I did not meet the information.
      But, 50! Not really, somehow, but I would like it to be true!
    7. lelikas Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 29
      Quote: gray smeet
      Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!

      That's just, in the USSR, and this was not - commander of the videoconferencing ,,,, expressed hope.
      Can you imagine where the Union would slide if Stalin expressed his hopes?
      Instead, there were specific orders and clear deadlines. (And the terms are different ...)
      1. Ami du peuple Rank
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        3 February 2016 17: 07
        Quote: lelikas
        Can you imagine where the Union would go if Stalin expressed hopes ?

        Please, 1939. "In emphatically friendly words Stalin expressed hopethat the agreements signed now lay the foundation for a new phase of German-Soviet relations "(I. von Ribbentrop," Between London and Moscow. Memoirs and Last Records ", 1953) wink
        And what? The Germans defeated and did not slide anywhere.
    8. sined0707 Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 40
      Do not kick much, But in my opinion - this is the most beautiful plane in the world.
    9. evge-malyshev Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 57
      Quote: gray smeet
      Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!


      Check out Wikipedia (TU-95). How many were there? And TU-160 was supposed to replace the TU-95 fleet.
      But alas ... It did not grow together ... Perestroika, the army is not needed, aviation is not needed, no one is threatening us, etc. In addition, most of the TU-160 was based in Priluki (Ukraine). With the help of good-natured peace-lovers-amers, a large (and the best) part of the Priluki cars was destroyed. With great difficulty, part of the machines, nevertheless, were able to be exchanged for payment of gas supplied to Ukraine.
    10. evge-malyshev Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 57
      Quote: gray smeet
      Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!


      Check out Wikipedia (TU-95). How many were there? And TU-160 was supposed to replace the TU-95 fleet.
      But alas ... It did not grow together ... Perestroika, the army is not needed, aviation is not needed, no one is threatening us, etc. In addition, most of the TU-160 was based in Priluki (Ukraine). With the help of good-natured peace-lovers-amers, a large (and the best) part of the Priluki cars was destroyed. With great difficulty, part of the machines, nevertheless, were able to be exchanged for payment of gas supplied to Ukraine.
    11. Cron1982 Rank
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      4 February 2016 13: 36
      From 84 to 93, the Soviet Union managed to build 35 cars. So if it were not for the collapse of the union there would be more than a hundred of them. Should have completely replaced that 95, at least as planned.
      About 15 cars, I could be wrong, plus or minus a couple of cars, were cut in Ukraine.
  2. Lanista Rank
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    3 February 2016 15: 59
    It would be nice.
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus Rank
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    3 February 2016 15: 59
    That is, it turns out that two cars will be produced in parallel! God forbid that this is how it turns out.
    1. Vladimirets Rank
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      3 February 2016 16: 03
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      two cars will be produced in parallel! God grant that it will turn out that way.

      But why? request
      1. lelikas Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 30
        Quote: Vladimirets
        But why?

        And on what ???
      2. 11 black Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 45
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        two cars will be produced in parallel! God grant that it will turn out that way.

        But why? request

        TU 160 is a missile carrier, the alleged tasks are the air component of the nuclear triad, a very powerful tool against aircraft carrier strike groups. In short, a highly specialized machine, sharpened for war with a technologically developed country, with enormous potential for an air defense breakthrough, which, when a decent anti-ship missile system appears under it, will, if necessary, make American AUGs submarine.
        PAK-YES, if it appears as we know it, it will be a subsonic bomber capable of taking a huge number of bombs (the flying wing is the most effective load-carrying scheme), the alleged tasks are to deliver massive bomb strikes with complete control of airspace and the absence of the enemy of ground air defense, that is, what our Tu22M3 are doing in Syria now.
        Although this is only an assumption, and the PAK-DA series will only go closer to the 30 years.
        PS - I advise everyone to watch
      3. Ros 56 Rank
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        3 February 2016 16: 54
        Quote: Vladimirets
        But why?


        Indistinct question.
        1. Vladimirets Rank
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          3 February 2016 17: 02
          Quote: Ros 56
          Indistinct question.

          What is slurred? Why will we need two strategists, issued simultaneously? Why spray power and resources?
          Quote: 11 black
          Although this is only an assumption

          That's it.
          Quote: 11 black
          PAK-YES, if it appears as we know it, it will be a subsonic bomber capable of taking a huge number of bombs (the flying wing is the most effective load-carrying scheme), the alleged tasks are to deliver massive bomb strikes with complete control of airspace and the absence of enemy ground defense

          That is, you want to say that we are going to push now, develop a new generation strategist and put into operation for the war with the natives? What's the point? Tactical aviation is enough for a war with the natives, I don’t think it makes sense to cut an airplane with such limited capabilities, especially since the PAK YES is conceived as a replacement for the Tu-95 and Tu-160. request
          1. Muvka Rank
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            3 February 2016 17: 10
            And the name is Long-Range Aviation. Against the natives there is a Su-34.
          2. Ros 56 Rank
            Ros 56
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            3 February 2016 17: 45
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Why will we need two strategists, issued simultaneously?


            Where do you see two strategists? Only Tu-160 will be produced, and PAK-DA will only be developed and developed, and God only knows how long it will take. After all, this is not another model, but fundamentally different requirements and a different approach to design. Plus, you will see how the technology has changed over the past 20 years, and how it will change over the next 15-20 years. Maybe he will fly on some other engines. By then, the Tu-95 will need to be decommissioned. So a reasonable approach, visionary. I think so. Maybe it will be.
          3. 11 black Rank
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            5 February 2016 15: 57
            Quote: Vladimirets
            That is, you want to say that we are going to push now, develop a new generation strategist and put into operation for the war with the natives? What's the point? Tactical aviation is enough for a war with the natives, I don’t think it makes sense to cut an airplane with such limited capabilities, especially since PAK YES is considering how to replace the Tu-95 and Tu-160. request

            Yes, I'm trying to understand the meaning of what is happening, the more they clearly said - PAK-YES will be postponed in favor of the Tu-160
            Quote: Vladimirets
            PAK YES and is conceived as a replacement for the Tu-95 and Tu-160.

            A slightly incorrect expression, comparing the Tu-95 and Tu-160 is like comparing, say, a submarine and a cruiser - these are completely different cars, because on the Tu-95 now, if you succeed in bombing anyone, then only the natives without normal aviation and air defense, Well, you can still launch rockets for 5000km.
            Pak yes, if it appears, it will be most like Tu-95 (at the same speed it will be invisible and will take more payload), and even more like Yusovskiy B-2, and that was originally conceived as a carrier of a large number of bombs - here I am about which, although there are a couple of completely unrealistic assumptions about such aircraft, but I will not say anything - that would be bold ...
            Quote: Vladimirets
            I don’t think it makes sense to cut an airplane with such disabilities

            You’re right, then you should expect something new, because, as I also don’t see the point in a flying wing in parallel with the Tu-160, but from the sofa, as it were, not everything is visible ... smile hi
            That will be PAK YES

            And here is B-2 - the number of bombs is visible
      4. Fat Rank
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        3 February 2016 18: 10
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        two cars will be produced in parallel! God grant that it will turn out that way.

        But why? request

        At PAKDA, there is still only R&D, God forbid, the prototype will be raised in 2021, then it will be brought to mind for a few more years. There is a White Swan now, tested and not out of date at 40. Somehow I do not observe "parallelism", sorry request hi
        1. Marconi41 Rank
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          4 February 2016 08: 21
          Quote: Thick
          The White Swan is now, proven and outdated in its 40s

          Yes, but it is supposed to restore its production. This means it is planned to build this aircraft again. It is not clear where exactly we will do it. The release of the Tu-160 has long been discontinued unfortunately. Restoring the line under it will cost quite a lot, and allies must also be found under this line.
  4. hartlend
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    3 February 2016 16: 00
    In our time, long-range aviation is acquiring a new, more important significance. It's good that more and more people are talking about her "revival" in a new capacity.
  5. barclay Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 08
    Will PAK YES or not, and the resumption of production of the Tu-160 will certainly be very useful both for defense and for the development of the military-industrial complex. By and large, the new Tu-160 is currently more real than PAK YES. The main snag with the NK-32 engines, they say, is being solved little by little. Perhaps this year will be the first modernized batch of these engines.
    1. Muvka Rank
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      3 February 2016 17: 11
      I read somewhere that they have been released for a long time, though piece by piece. And they want to put them on Tu-22, instead of the old ones ...
  6. From Samara Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 09
    Great Bird!
  7. Aleksandr1959 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 13
    The main thing is to find production and other personnel who can fulfill this task. I would like to believe that KAPO named after Gorbunov will restore both production and human potential for solving problems on the Tu-160, PAK DA and Tu-22M3. In 1980, KAPO essentially produced a YES regiment (about 30 aircraft) Tu-22M3, carried out work on the "seventy" (Tu-160), plus produced the Il-62.
  8. AlexSK Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 14
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  9. nemec55 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 14
    Eekh, I would like to visit this bird, touch it and listen to the roar during take-off, this is alien to me from the steppe of Siberia, although I often visited the military airport but there were no such monsters there (Tolmachevo)
  10. Dam Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 17
    A good machine that has not exhausted the resource of modernization. Given the new weapons, a thing that is very, very worried about dear "partners". And the more of them there will be in the Russian Federation, the less will the desire to try to put pressure on us.
  11. fa2998 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 20
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    That is, it turns out that two cars will be produced in parallel! God forbid that this is how it turns out.

    And the budget will pull? Typically, even developed countries produce one aircraft, in exchange (or in addition) of previous generations. Issue several types of nonsense aircraft! Yes, there were cases when they released a new aircraft, and modernization of their own. But the renewal of 30-40 years old projects TOGETHER with new -for the first time. sad hi
  12. avva2012 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 23
    "Tu-160s have not been produced since the collapse of the USSR. Moreover, the possibility of producing NK-32 engines was lostrequired for the flight of the car. However, last year it was announced that OJSC Kuznetsov was restoring the production of NK-32, and by 2016 the first batch of engines should have been produced. The production of this power plant is necessary to maintain the existing Tu-160 in flight condition, in addition, an engine for the PAK DA will be created on its basis. As for the rest - it will definitely not be easy, but all the documentation is in place - the key point is investment in machines and other equipment needed for production. The approximate cost of one Tu-160 in 1993 was $ 250 million - since then, of course, inflation has "worked", however, taking into account the use of more modern production technologies, we will consider this price relevant to this day. In this case, the cost of the production program for 20 new Tu-160Ms will be at least $ 5 billion, and possibly more. "
    - It's just a holiday, some kind!
    1. Muvka Rank
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      3 February 2016 17: 15
      From the wiki. Development began in 1977. Serial production since 1983, currently not mass-produced, however, it is still produced by microparty several pieces per year
      1. arnulla Rank
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        3 February 2016 21: 54
        No microparty is available
  13. GAF Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 38
    Quote: gray smeet
    Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!

    The pace in the USSR was good. In 1984, mass production began. In 1992 EBN stopped production. Managed to build only 27 production cars. 19 of them were in Ukraine. 8 cars bought. 10 of those remaining on the outskirts were allowed under an American knife. A terrible video, to tears. As soon as the hand rose at Svidomo to such beauty.
  14. triglav Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 40
    Long-range aviation originated in Russia. Russia must remain a priority.
  15. avva2012 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 45
    Xnumx machines? so much in the USSR was not!

    I can not resist! And, this pale weakness in the beginning, symbolizes the European Union, however.
  16. BOB044 Rank
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    3 February 2016 16: 51
    Last year, it was reported about the decision to resume production of the latest model of the Tu-160 in a modernized version. The Defense Ministry expects the first aircraft to appear in 2021, its mass production should start with 2023. In total, at least 50 of new cars will be ordered.
    The territories of Russia, if necessary, with the TU-160 will strike. Tremble enemies.
  17. silver_roman Rank
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    3 February 2016 17: 08
    the resumption and production of 50 Tu-160s is wildly expensive. Will their capacities to complete tasks be excessive?
    purely IMHO, but lately armament is not a means of winning a victory. We should have paid more attention to soft power. For example, learn how to work in other states so that objectionable nationalist governments quickly disappear into oblivion. I know these "close"!
    Sometimes more flexible handling of force is much more effective than using all forces. Take a look, half of the companies and state stocks contained PR and intimidation at the base, and when they got involved in wars, they often scooped up the lyuley.
    Hybrid means is what you need, although you really want to have 50 Tu-160s. The main thing is not to overtake!
  18. Ros 56 Rank
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    3 February 2016 17: 09
    It's a good news.
  19. chunga-changa Rank
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    3 February 2016 18: 42
    In general, the situation with long-range aviation is pretty decent. The aircraft are relatively new, modernized, weapons are being developed, the problem with engines and electronics has been resolved. Only because Tu-95 is older than Tu-160 by about fifteen years, they will have to be changed in the first place. 50 new Tu-160s are a replacement for the flying Tu-95. The truth is that it turns out to build 50 Tu-160 is hard to believe, but nevertheless, the plan is clear, it remains only to fulfill it.
  20. 1774 Rank
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    3 February 2016 19: 33
    The Tu 160 was never considered a means of combating AUGs, it was only a strategic missile carrier, especially since it was not equipped with anti-ship missile weapons. For these purposes, the TU22M3 was composed of both YES and MRA with X-22 missiles of the corresponding modification. And of course the plane exceptionally outstanding. And for TU 95 ms, everyone is undergoing modernization to the level of Tu95msm, the oldest are at the air base Ukrainka in the former 79 tbap and they still underwent modernization several years ago, according to classmates heaven and earth. And the glider TU 95msm has been flying for another 15 years at least there will be no demolition.
  21. proud Rank
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    3 February 2016 22: 11
    Lord May God live to that day, and see at least 1 or 2 new, newly resurrected Tu-160s! I hope, and most importantly, sincerely pray that Russia-Great Russia could pull this project! The world did not know more beautiful and grander than this plane, and in the foreseeable future I think that it will not know!
  22. glasha3032 Rank
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    4 February 2016 03: 26
    Modernization is a complicated matter, but in the Tupolev Design Bureau there is only one old man ... Will it pull?
  23. vv3
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    4 February 2016 16: 05
    In the age of information technology, the TU-160 has no military sense. Only as a symbol and a political standard. The enemy system, which will monitor the position of all missile carriers, costs a penny and even the available reconnaissance means are enough for it. A transcendental reflective surface, high operating costs, outdated approaches to line-up, resource-limited variable wing geometry ... are just a few drawbacks. This is a "golden target" and a means for cutting money. Add the need to build up ground vehicles and air tankers. We will not pull it, and why. I advise you to think 3 times.