Minsk deadlock

Kiev's Foreign Minister Klimkin called Moscow’s demands for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, which were presented by Moscow’s new spokesman, Boris Gryzlov, unacceptable. This Kiev passed a certain Rubicon: Gryzlov is a member of the Security Council of Russia, after that the position of Kiev, in turn, becomes unacceptable for Russia.

In addition, the new round of the Minsk talks coincided with complications in relations between Russia and the United States. The White House has moved on to deceitful, offensive attacks against the Russian president at the highest level — government officials. Slander by US Treasury Secretary Adam Shubin against Putin in the BBC movie “Putin's Secret Wealth” was publicly supported by Obama's spokesman Josh Ernest.

All this says that the meeting between Victoria Nuland and Vladislav Surkov in Kaliningrad completely failed, no decisions on Ukraine were reached: Russia and the United States remained in their previous positions.

The publication AgoraVox made a sensational throw, as if Nuland met Surkov to warn Russia about the "imminent NATO attack." Allegedly, the people who accompanied Victoria Nuland, reported that she was in a “very excited state” and repeated tirelessly: “The war is coming! War at the gates!

There is no smoke at all without fire ... Most likely, Nuland threatened a sharp deterioration in relations, because it really happened. Direct attacks on the president of the country may be preceded by some military plans. Earlier, after such false and arrogant accusations, military attacks were committed against a number of Middle Eastern countries. Scenarios of hostilities against Russia constantly scroll in the Western media. Recently, the Swedish general said about the possibility of war with a "big country" with the participation of Sweden, however, did not agree with which big country.

In the Financial Times, a specially trusted propagandist of Washington, after the meeting Nuland-Surkov was an article in an ultimatum tone: Russia must surrender the Donbass and put the head of the government of former Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin. It was possible that Nuland came to Kaliningrad with these demands, but they were rejected, and the US ultimatum was put into action: the accusations of the Russian president were sent in order to create grounds for a propaganda campaign against Putin and Russian policy.

After that, we can expect tightening of anti-Russian sanctions up to the blockade of seaports. Libya and Iraq, the US Navy blocked. It must be borne in mind that American strategists are seriously discussing the possibility of a conventional world war, that is, by conventional means without using nuclear weapons. weapons. And in conventional armaments, NATO has reached a preponderance over Russia as a result of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and expansion to the East, that is, the annexation of former allies of Russia and the USSR to its military machine.

If Russia does not apologize to Washington, and this is unlikely, experts are talking about a possible expulsion of the American ambassador from Moscow: after a lie at the highest level regarding the Russian president, there’s nothing to talk about with Washington.

Russia may refuse to talk further with Kiev. Due to his refusal to comply with the Minsk agreements, rampant neo-Nazi militants in the country who are not suppressed, but rooted in power structures, cleaning up the civilian population in the occupied Don regions of Donbass declared to Bandera authorities disloyal, that is, Russia can declare Bandera Kiev lost its legitimacy. After that, Moscow may demand from Paris and Berlin to fulfill the Minsk Agreements, as their guarantors ...

The international situation in the new year is clearly deteriorating, and the Munich Security Conference, which will be held in mid-February, takes on special importance. Before the conference, apparently, diplomatic maneuvers will continue, but in Munich some sort of outcome can occur. Vladimir Putin’s double refusal to come to Munich acquires a symbolic meaning: this is a response to Washington to the accusations addressed to him. At the same time, his voice will be made by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

Judging by the tough reaction of Moscow to the next provocative (unsubstantiated) accusation of Turkey by the Russian space forces in violating its airspace, and continuing the strategic offensive of the Syrian army to the borders of Turkey, as well as the artillery aggravation in Donbass, the growth of confrontation will continue after Munich. Wolfgang Ischinger, chairman of the Munich Security Conference, also in Davos, said that "the world faces an unintended escalation." It is already underway, only deliberate: Washington is the first and deliberately launched propaganda aggression against Russia.

... Deputy Finance Minister of Russia Maxim Oreshkin made an interesting statement the other day: a collapse of financial markets may occur in the United States due to multidirectional financial processes on stock exchanges. This possibility is probably the real reason for the dramatic aggravation of Washington’s international situation: it is trying to scare the West with Russia and rally the ranks of its supporters before the financial collapse, and then blame Moscow for it. What else is left for Washington? Recognize their own military, Nazi Bandera and financial sins?

Comments

[Chertkov Oleg]

It must be borne in mind that American strategists are seriously discussing the possibility of a conventional world war, that is, by conventional means without the use of nuclear weapons.

But no one will forbid us to use it, especially in the defense strategy this is spelled out. Especially since:
... in conventional armaments, NATO has reached a preponderance over Russia as a result of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and expansion to the East, that is, the annexation of former allies of Russia and the USSR to its military machine.

[Finches]

In the field of defense, we need to do a lot! The Anglo-Saxons were in a hurry, pushing Europe against Russia in the back, just as they had rushed Hitler in the 30s when they saw that they had missed the industrialization of the USSR and the beginning of the rearmament of our army! Now, however, they don’t have such a charismatic geek as they were German Fuhrer. It was eyeing Poroshenko, but he turned out to be a hard drinking thief practitioner. Now they are betting on Erdogan! But the fact that Russia is surrounded is a fact!

[Finches]

I'll correct myself a little! Not quite "missed industrialization" sounds correctly from a historical point of view - the US even helped us very actively in this, but only in order to confront Germany as quickly as possible.

[beck]

Poroshenko, this is not the final figure, Turchinova, who is very popular among scumbags, can put in his place, and the ordinary population is losing more and more relevance every day, under the pressure of propaganda ukroSMI, and more and more believes about the Russian military in the Donbass. so it seems to me 404 too early to write off, in view of their insanity.

[NIKNN]

Until psychiatrists take care of this country (in 404) and even at least one travel narcologist, even Minsk 125 will not help ...

[sa-ag]

Quote: Oleg Chertkov

But no one will forbid us to use it,

During the Great Patriotic War, there was another means of mass destruction - a chemical, and as if there were no obstacles to its use, however, neither side applied it

[kodxnumx]

If only our liberals would betray that they hadn’t done something vile, the GDP should now limit all these bad people (Radishes) in hours to communicate with the outside world, I think and I’m sure the people will not let us down, the USA and NATO take a lot on themselves, Europe no fool knows how Russians know how to fight, so it’s not yet a fact that the United States will be able to force them, there’s no fools, but the United States must still understand and how a nation can grow up 300 years is too little to understand the essence of life and its price, they will always think that they will bully everyone and they won’t have anything for it, they think that everyone can be soaked like Papuans without losses and problems, Russia is not Papuans, if you can say so it’s the Major League, and it’s all adult, if only ours the liberals have not leaked, the United States needs to be punished, they all understand until they get the lyule in full, and until they come down from earth to heaven from Russia, they must not lose ground and there will be nothing worse than losing!

[Alexanast]

The US must still understand how a nation grows up

Yes, and for the formation of a nation

300 years is too little

The real American nation is the Indians, whom they have successfully oppressed to this day.

[Flexsus]

Nowhere to retreat, behind RUSSIA !!!!

[tupolev-95]

Did the chemical weapons of that period give any significant advantage on the battlefield? Well, the soldiers would have put on gas masks - just business. Poisonous gases were effective at first - in World War I, when not everyone at first had gas masks and the tactics were more "trench" - for years they sat in positions opposite each other, and the Great Patriotic War was much more maneuverable.

[Cap.Morgan]

Do not compare.
The impact of chemical weapons is relatively small, highly dependent on weather and climate. Easily overcome by the use of gas masks.
Nuclear weapons can immediately lead to a turning point in the war. And to the complete destruction of the enemy in a matter of hours.

[Onotollah]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Easily overcome by the use of gas masks.

God forbid you to overcome a cloud of droplet-liquid lewisite, for example, in one gas mask, although it was invented a century ago. I don’t even talk about V-gases. There, if used, water, terrain and military equipment remain deadly for up to six months, depending on weather conditions.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: sa-ag

During the Great Patriotic War, there was another means of mass destruction - a chemical, and as if there were no obstacles to its use, however, neither side applied it

Then in the USSR no one doubted our victory without the use of chemical weapons. Now it’s clear that without nuclear weapons we can’t survive. So there is a difference.

[evil partisan]

Quote: sa-ag

however, neither side applied it

In a memoir from a series of Drabkin, one veteran says that during the persecution of the Germans in 1943, when they fled to the Dnieper, in one section the Germans used HO to break away from the Soviet troops pursuing them. Chlorine is kind of ...

[aleks 62 next]

.... a means of mass destruction - a chemical, and as if there were no obstacles to its use, but not one side has applied it ...

.... According to the results of the application in the First World War and given the development of protective equipment, it was recognized as not particularly effective .... But then there are a lot of hemorrhoids .... There was already an article on HE on this subject ....

[andj61]

Quote: sa-ag

During the Great Patriotic War, there was another means of mass destruction - a chemical, and as if there were no obstacles to its use, however, neither side applied it

The main battles - both in time and in losses - took place on our territory. When using chemical weapons, the civilian population of the USSR and the troops of the Soviet Socialist Republic and Germany would suffer. But since the troops are protected — for a number of reasons — better than the civilian population, the main victims would have been it. In this case, no matter who used chemical weapons. Even if ours had been used, then OUR civilians would have suffered along with German troops.
And it was simply impossible to "get" the territory of Germany adequately to the possible answer.
Hitler refused to use a chem. weapons, since he had very unpleasant impressions of such a use in the First World War, there are even reports that he himself came under such an attack.
In addition, the chem itself. strategic weapons were not and did not differ much from carpet bombing with conventional weapons (Dresden, Tokyo). True, even these bombings differ little in their consequences from the use of nuclear weapons.
In reality, now nuclear weapons are a warning: if you attack us, you will receive the full program in return! That is, nuclear weapons are a means of deterrence, and not a means of warfare.

[not main]

Quote: sa-ag

During the Great Patriotic War, there was another means of mass destruction - a chemical, and as if there were no obstacles to its use, however, neither side applied it

Tell it to the defenders of Adzhimushkaya!

[Cap.Morgan]

We have no other choice.
Indeed, in conventional types of weapons, NATO surpasses us by several times.
It is only necessary to bring this to the attention of American strategists. That they can’t stay overseas.
They are then accustomed to the wars in Europe.

[72jora72]

We have no other choice.
Indeed, in conventional types of weapons, NATO surpasses us by several times.
It is only necessary to bring this to the attention of American strategists. That they can’t stay overseas.
They are then accustomed to the wars in Europe.

The fact of the matter is that American politicians (as well as European ones) have lost their sense of self-preservation, the idea of ​​"neocons" about a preventive nuclear strike by the United States on Russia, in which a retaliatory strike brings minimal destruction, is gaining more and more popularity.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

With the number of missiles to be launched in the United States, they certainly will not get off with minimal destruction. It would be interesting to publish in the west a leak from our secret documents to which country how many of our missiles are and what power is due. With a photo montage of the alleged consequences. I’m sure it would sober up hot heads.

[aleks 62 next]

..... With the number of missiles that will be launched in the United States, they will certainly not get off with minimal destruction. ....

.... Given that 80% of industry and probably half of the population are concentrated in industrially developed California and on a small piece of the West Coast, then a lot will not be needed .... And the Americans themselves know this ..... Another thing is that they do not believe in the very possibility of getting an answer - this is another topic .....

[jjj]

If Western wise men think of blaming Putin for the possible fall of the US markets, they will make him such an advertisement that will lead many, many countries to the camp of friends of Russia

[Gorodovik]

Nuclear weapons are primarily a deterrent weapon, and if the Russian Federation uses it, then be sure that the "return line" will arrive, from which the gentlemen will not seem a little to us. And your statements about the use of nuclear weapons are nonsense. Want to be the last people? Please move your ideas further.

[Mavrikiy]

"conventional world war, that is, by conventional means without the use of nuclear weapons."


This is done for Europe and NATO. We need to include in the doctrine a preventive nuclear strike against the United States and England. These are hot heads in the USA. But Europe itself will not go to war.

[sir.jonn]

They drove all nonsense into the head on a kind of conventional war between Russia and the United States, and who even thought up the impossibility of a nuclear response when attacked with conventional weapons. In any scenario, after striking the United States against Russia, the answer will be nuclear, which is precisely why there is no blow to this day.

[Cap.Morgan]

During his first visit to Crimea, Putin, through the lips of Zhirinovsky, conveyed the idea of ​​using nuclear weapons to the world community. Zhirik shouted, and Putin sat next to him, and looked smiling. And he did not refute anything.

[aba]

If Russia does not apologize to Washington, and this is unlikely, experts are talking about a possible expulsion of the American ambassador from Moscow: after a lie at the highest level regarding the Russian president, there’s nothing to talk about with Washington.
Russia may refuse to talk further with Kiev.

Just like that and the expulsion of ambassadors ?!
I do not believe! (from)

[maxbrov74]

Nuland met with Surkov to warn Russia of an "imminent NATO attack."

For the past 600 years, the West has regularly visited Russia. Over the past two centuries, the united Europe has sat down to play Russian roulette with us a couple of times. It is well known how it ended for them in the end. Apparently the "Moment of Truth" is coming for the Anglo-Saxons.

[Lelek]

Quote: maxbrov74

Apparently the "Moment of Truth" is coming for the Anglo-Saxons.

The point is that the state. the US debt has reached a critical size and it can be written off either by starting a "big" war, or at the expense of "accomplices" - allies, tying them with transatlantic trade obligations on terms drawn by the US itself. In addition, the pre-election "kan-kan" adds pepper to the domestic political "goulash". So, in America, oh, how not calm and problematic. But we need to think not about her (America), but about our Russia, where it is not "rosy" either.
(cry.)

[72jora72]

For the past 600 years, the West has regularly visited Russia. Over the past two centuries, the united Europe has sat down to play Russian roulette with us a couple of times. It is well known how it ended for them in the end. Apparently the "Moment of Truth" is coming for the Anglo-Saxons.

Do you still doubt that a time of tremendous changes and upheavals is coming?

[Flexsus]

In the 19 century, they taught French, gave the Lyuli to the French, in the 20 century they taught German, gave the Lyuli to the Germans, now we learn English, so it's time to get the Lyuli to the Anglo-Saxons ...

[Neophyte]

The next demarche of the West against Russia and the activation of the 5th column (the merger of the Parnas and Yabloko parties) is evidence of the intensification of the confrontation. The next phase of the development of events: recognition of the failure of the Minsk agreements (Russia will be appointed guilty), which will lead to an aggravation in Donbass. In the Middle East, in Syria, there is already an attempt to blockade Russia with the help of Turkey and other ISIS patrons. In February-March, the political situation could sharply aggravate!

[Wolka]

the Yankees are furious with their own powerlessness in their disastrous foreign policy, and we don’t have to make any sudden movements that will obviously be reckless in nature, this is not our mistake and it’s not for us to correct it, but it’s also not worth leaving without attention, hopeless situations as the saying goes, there is only human stupidity and laziness, and so everything is fine, the Yankees are mistaken, more and more are mistaken ...

[Voha_krim]

The Kiev media misinformation for several days there was another attack of paranoia. This time, the hype around a supposedly replacing heads of the Donbass republics Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky became a symptom of severe mental illness.
In the Donbass, this conspiracy theology is calm, it does not create much nervousness. As in Moscow. It is well understood here that Kiev is engaged in local sabotage due to the chronic lack of more effective ways of waging an information war.

[rotmistr60]

Russia and the United States remained in their former positions.

Did anyone naively think that some serious agreements on Ukraine would take place? I doubt it. As long as Ukraine, hostile to Russia, exists, the Americans will consider their "mission" accomplished in this sector. Now, if the DNLNR army approached Kiev, then the Americans would become more accommodating.

[aba]

Well, well ... Now I believe that without minuses ambassadors will not be sent to my comment, but if you put it, then yes-ah-ah-ah ... They will certainly be sent!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: aba

Well, well ... Now I believe that without minuses ambassadors will not be sent to my comment, but if you put it, then yes-ah-ah-ah ... They will certainly be sent!

They don’t send, but each ambassador presents his credentials to the head of state. So, just in case, to take and say at least that we no longer believe this fat pig - Tefftele ... Let them replace, and we will think, to believe or not to believe the next.

I don’t know, maybe my army experience speaks in me, but I was taught and I was taught to leave the exhausting positional war. Maneuver, aggravation, a sudden blow - in war, and in sport, and politics are appreciated ... Victory - she loves the brave, not the cautious ...

By the way, I think that they will not send me with my plus ...

[aba]

, and politics are valued ... Victory - she loves the brave, not the cautious ...

By the way, I think that they will not send me with my plus ...

Thank you for the "+", of course, but it's not about the pros and cons, but the fact that our foreign policy today is similar to a sapper, and not to an athlete or a soldier. This was the main message of my "I don't believe!"
And I am not saying that it is good or bad - after all, I am not a politician.

[Hooks]

An article from the category "You have nothing to say? A real man always has something to say" (c). Here Nuland did not answer as it should, the Swedes were silent, the State Department was not given a response (maybe the ambassador will be sent?), And after that the VVP does not want to play with the lads in Munich, but Oreshkin guessed the enemy's plan for the campaign! Even the goal did not understand.

[tehnokrat]

Article "+", and on a 5-point system, a triple with a plus. The author goes overboard, it seems to me:
“... one can expect tougher anti-Russian sanctions up to the blockade of seaports”
Which and how exactly?
“... American strategists are seriously discussing the possibility of a conventional world war”
This is their job, they get paid for it. Ours, I think, is also not sitting idle.
“If Washington does not apologize to Russia, and this is unlikely, experts say a possible expulsion of the American ambassador from Moscow”
This is done immediately, within a day. Otherwise, not serious. If you have not sent now, you must either wait for another episode, or this is a tactic.
"Russia may refuse to talk further with Kiev ... Moscow may demand from Paris and Berlin the implementation of the Minsk agreements as their guarantors ..."
Here it is right!
“... Russian Deputy Finance Minister Maxim Oreshkin made an interesting statement the other day: financial markets could collapse in the USA”
But this, the most interesting, the author has reserved for the ending. The Germans evacuate their little gold. And we would have to. Or at least sell US government bonds. And even after that it’s too early for the ambassador to recall

[VeterS]

In any war, one of the main conditions for the successful conduct of hostilities is a strong rear, both economically and politically. We have big problems with this. And the main trouble is impunity. As for the nuclear component, more precisely, the possibility of its use, do not hesitate, gentlemen! Without any problems, and most importantly, remorse - it will be necessary - all of Europe and others to the furnace!

[Cap.Morgan]

Europe, unlike Russia, is very densely populated.
On the tiny peninsula, in fact, half a billion live.
In the United States, the entire population lives on the coast. The whole industry is also there. At the same time, there was information "secret", of course, about the presence of a submarine-drone with nuclear torpedoes.
This is Sakharov’s idea. Undermining the atomic bomb off the coast and the tsunami will wash America off to sea.
It has been speculated that the tsunami in the Indian Ocean several years ago, which caused severe damage to Indonesia, was just a test of this hypothesis.

[Wind_zl]

The use of nuclear weapons, a measure not only extreme but also necessary.

[EvgNik]

The story repeats again. Before the Second World War, we were not ready, did not have time, but how did it end? Now in the same position. It is necessary to prepare industry for a full-scale war.

[parusnik]

After this, one can expect tougher anti-Russian sanctions up to the blockade of seaports...Here, for example, in the Crimea, I even know who will block the ports, on rafts and rubber boats ...

[Wedmak]

It is unlikely that the states themselves will climb on us with the war - it’s not for them to drive dushmans with bombers. Despite the large number of US bases around Russia, they do not have sufficient forces for this. And the transfer and concentration of such forces will take not a single month. Then, if you rock the boat, all this fraternity will drown in tactical nuclear mushrooms. And in general, there will be no one to judge us.
But you can set Kiev on the Donbass easily. What is actually being done, the concentration of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces is already underway and most likely this will be the last spurt - either pan or gone. As if by the summer not see a second meat grinder.
Europe also lacks the strength to launch a full-scale offensive. And their mind is enough not to get involved. Although local skirmishes are possible - there are enough fools everywhere.
We do not expect a local war on the borders of Russia before spring. Then we look at the state. True, there is still an unpredictable factor in Turkey, the president there is sick in the head with the revival of the "Ottoman Empire", so that he can provoke a conflict. A stab in the back is a favorite tactical move of the Turks. And there Washington adds fuel to the fire.

[Ros 56]

Calm dear ones, you don’t need to attack anyone, but our answer must be at the level of destruction of the country that attacked us. Not to fight back, namely to destroy, not civilians (as helpless as ours), but military infrastructure. As they say from all the guns.

[Alexanast]

You are all right!
I’ve already read somewhere in VO a quote I don’t remember, whether a German or someone else ... it doesn’t matter.
What is important is what he said - don’t anger the Russians, otherwise when they disperse, they don’t know how to control the force, they’ll demolish everything.

[Vega]

Nothing has changed in the behavior of the West and the United States since the time of the Crusades, the same predatory wars, but not faith, but "democracy" became the flag.

[orca77]

One can only guess why the Darkest refused to be elected in the 18th year? Maybe something knows? After the turmoil, there will be no Europe, nor America, nor Russia — only the principalities are small. Oh, where there are attributes of the Siberian principality, that the Americans came up with for us. Goodness didn’t disappear, otherwise people tried, so skzt, in their own way ...

[baudolino]

Autumn elections in the States. And everything that is not being done is imprisoned on them. And the Republicans can arrange a financial collapse in order to win.

[Sergey Sitnikov]

I watched the Spy Bridge - nothing has changed in 60 years, the Russian Federation is a babayka, and the West every morning they remove the halo from their heads because of modesty ...

[Volzhanin]

Don't give a damn about them at all. "Do what you must and be what will be!"
English women with Americans NEVER will climb to Russia themselves to fight, too cowardly. Will vile janissaries incite or even some geeks oh.
Well then, welcome to Russia for perdition.
The main thing in time to have time to introduce martial law and catch the entire fifth column - working hands oh how they will be needed.

[aszzz888]

What else is left for Washington? Confess your own military, Nazi Bandera and financial sins?

Wait for it to wash off into the ocean from an unexpected powerful tsunami. So that only a couple of palm trees are left from the meritosia. Later you can sow wheat in that place.

[Vadxnumx]

Last night I talked with my older brother.
In Lugansk is vain. OSCE cars are being worn, columns of military equipment of the LPR are moving.
There is a feeling that the wind is again changing to "North" ...
The main thing to understand is that as long as we don’t break off the teeth of Kiev’s earhooks, there will be no peace in the Donbass.
No one will cancel the sanctions against us, regardless of whether we hang the lyuli Ukropam or continue to observe the movements of Nuland and Surkov ...

[standing]

I strongly doubt about our rear. I do not think that I will see, for example, a battalion of volunteers "Russian deputy", or a submarine "Abramovich", built with his funds.

[Pvi1206]

The Minsk agreements were aimed at ending the acute phase of the war, no more. Moreover, they were beneficial only to Kiev, so as not to suffer a shameful defeat in the civil war unleashed by the authorities. She was not originally going to fulfill them. Therefore, at first there was Minsk-1, then Minsk-2. All parties to the conflict want to save their face. In the current situation, the best option for everyone is to freeze the conflict, as was done in Transnistria. But this will be possible only if the Ukrainian authorities can at least slightly strangle the Right Sector.

[Earnest]

In the Financial Times, Washington’s especially trusted propagandist, after the Nuland-Surkov meeting, there was an article in an ultimatum tone: Russia should ...
After this, one can expect tougher anti-Russian sanctions up to the blockade of seaports. The US fleet blocked Libya and Iraq. It should be borne in mind that American strategists are seriously discussing the possibility of a conventional world war, that is, by conventional means without the use of nuclear weapons ...

How interesting these phrases come from the recently flashed news about KSH in the UK:

... Britain and the United States decided to launch a ground offensive to drive the Russians out of the alliance's territory. Then the military practiced the rescue of four British soldiers by special forces from the "Russian captivity", and then Russia allegedly destroyed the British landing helicopter carrier Ocean with a tactical nuclear strike - 1200 attack aircraft, pilots and service soldiers were killed on it.
"The committee, which included representatives of the British government and military command, voted against a retaliatory nuclear strike early in the crisis," the Daily Mail reported.

And we all wondered why we need to pound the unfortunate helicopter carrier, and it turns out that they beat the consequences of the blockade of ports? So there will be no blockade, the shavers have already trained

[Rostislav]

The abscess has matured, will not resolve itself. It will be necessary to open. The main thing is that the scalpel is always at hand ready. Therefore, the number of teachings is not decreasing.
And rightly so.

[Belousov]

Well, if the states had confidence that we would not apply nuclear weapons to their conventional war, they would attack instantly. And they sit and wait for something. The question here is different - how consolidated our elites are and whether they are ready to work for the country and not for their own pocket. Here I have very big doubts. After all, this threatens the loss of everything that was "earned by back-breaking labor" (or simply stolen), and the amounts there are at least 9 zeros in the American currency. So it is not yet known what kind of work was done with them by employees of the relevant organizations from Langley and elsewhere. After all, if there is no one to make a decision to strike nuclear weapons, then the attack will follow quickly.
But all these Kasyanov-bulk and others do not care at all, they will instantly be blamed for the cordon or they will be quickly identified by the people's court in a bowl of cement.

[Cobra77]

Purely sofa conspiracy theological article. The States themselves will not participate in any wars. What is the point of this? Provocations, indirect pressure through third countries, economic and political steps. Here are the methods of the States at the moment. They are anyone, just not fools. And while they are quite well out. Not without overlays, but quite productively. Why would they put forward any ultimatums, threaten an attack. If so, everything goes well for them. It is enough to look at the actions of our elitists in order to understand that the States will not be able to spoil us as much as our elitists will spoil us.

[mihasik]

Hello World War III?
Minsk-2 is a stake (stopper) in the wheel of conflict. But who said that the Western "partners" will not pull the stake out of the wheel? After all, they already gave guarantees at the State level in February 2014 to Yanukovych ...
The United States will be "saved" only by a major war and, preferably, a large-scale, in Europe, British film with a virtual war with Russia, as they say, to help. Is this the first warning bell or an already open declaration of war?

[glasha3032]

The article is extremely interesting and full of constructive ideas worthy of implementation - this is the expulsion of the US Ambassador from Moscow for the offensive statements of the current US politicians (if our authorities have the courage, then all the spiteful talkers abroad will suddenly become silent (as they rose up in Europe when they refused to entry to some odious Russophobes, MEPs!)) and refusal to talk with Kiev due to evasion from the implementation of the Minsk Agreements (we have a great example of a confused Erdogan!). And also, after an article in the Financial Times about a candidate for the presidential seat (like B. Nemtsov -Famous!) A. Kudrin now needs to be afraid (all the more so - to walk on bridges around the Kremlin!). Well, he himself is the creator of his life, well, he wanted to be another "sacred victim"! The flag is in his hands ...

[falikreutov]

Quote: kod3001

should all these bad people that is (Radishes) in hours x limit in communication with the outside world

I would add a more radical method - not to limit, but to quickly, quietly bury!

[Cobra77]

Quote: mihasik

Hello World War III?
Minsk-2 is a stake (stopper) in the wheel of conflict. But who said that the Western "partners" will not pull the stake out of the wheel? After all, they already gave guarantees at the State level in February 2014 to Yanukovych ...
The United States will be "saved" only by a major war and, preferably, a large-scale, in Europe, British film with a virtual war with Russia, as they say, to help. Is this the first warning bell or an already open declaration of war?

Minsk-2 is a count in the Russian Federation. This is a problem for the Russian Federation. And not the States. And not even the EU. The EU has more problems with refugees than Minsk-2 and Ukraine.

Do not need this conspiracy theories about saving the States with war. Everything is normal with them. Would like - organized. There are places and reasons. They are pragmatic to the limit and without any moral brakes.
And the Brit film has nothing to do with it. Normal propaganda. We have Kiselyov talking about "radioactive ash".

[fix]

And if so: the United States itself does not climb into a quarrel, incite the same Erdoganych to do something large-scale in Syria, they say, Russia will fit in anyway, and then there will be a blaze in Ukraine and we will have to intercede (a war on 2 fronts). If we pump up the Turks and Kiev with weapons, mercenaries, etc., we can conventionally not pull and zhahnem TNW. the Americans themselves are not in business, but in the UN they poke at us, they say "these Russians are unpredictable, inadequate, worse than the North Koreans." Further, their congress (with the forced consent of the "world community") gives the go-ahead for a sudden massive "clean" nuclear power plant in a "dangerous regime for all mankind."
Maybe that's why the Kremlin swallows all petty dirty tricks that we are not ready yet in the 41st?

[Stilet]

In principle, we all already know what will begin soon ... A matter of time. Most likely from Ukraine.

[samarin1969]

The State Department is now acting on the "principle of Putin" (the stamp of journalists): "you cannot retreat in principle" ... Ribbentrop in a skirt is preparing a victorious rating for Obama ...
P.S. ... We follow Mr. Dow-Jones and his colleagues, Erdogan warms up the motors ...

[kunstkammer]

Quote: kod3001

should all these bad people that is (Radishes) in hours x limit in communication with the outside world

I'm afraid it will be too late then ...

[Piotr Kaskov]

Apparently, there is an increase in rates in the hope that the Russians will again be afraid of a big war.

[sapper2463]

"a collapse of financial markets may occur in the US due to multidirectional financial processes on the stock exchanges"
Or it may not happen! All the talk about the collapse of the stock exchanges that will take the world economy into the abyss is just talk. Yes, they are overheated, but economies work on virtual indices, deals, futures, options, etc. But the modern economic model is built on this, which means that until the new model is born, the old one will be maintained in a viable state. There will be no collapses in the coming years! there will be adjustments, declines, rises, but there are no landslides. Hereafter, replacement with new mechanisms is possible ...

[sapper2463]

And about military action. Possible military action. And you did not think that they can be mutually beneficial and the United States by proxy to improve its condition and our elite, which has reached a dead end and does not yet know how to get out of the crisis? My assumption is of course controversial, but that's why the forums were created to discuss. That is why I think that Nuland and Surkov have not decided to "rattle" in Donbass on mutually beneficial terms?

[Cobra77]

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And if so: the United States itself does not climb into a quarrel, incite the same Erdoganych to do something large-scale in Syria, they say, Russia will fit in anyway, and then there will be a blaze in Ukraine and we will have to intercede (a war on 2 fronts). If we pump up the Turks and Kiev with weapons, mercenaries, etc., we can conventionally not pull and zhahnem TNW. the Americans themselves are not in business, but in the UN they poke at us, they say "these Russians are unpredictable, inadequate, worse than the North Koreans." Further, their congress (with the forced consent of the "world community") gives the go-ahead for a sudden massive "clean" nuclear power plant in a "dangerous regime for all mankind."
Maybe that's why the Kremlin swallows all petty dirty tricks that we are not ready yet in the 41st?

Conspirology however. We will easily pull the war in Ukraine. If you would like. And Syria would do little harm here. If the Turks want them, and so without any Ukraine and pumping us out of Syria, they can kick us out. Maximum per week. Having paid dearly, but will be thrown out. We have a weak group there, logistics is extremely difficult. Everything is imprisoned purely for the war with bearded, but not with serious guys like the Turks. NW naturally no one will apply. The Lord is with you. Not a game that would even crave tactical.

[Scraptor]

It’s in vain that you think so, all the more Turkey can be overcome by ODAB from the North
TNW in the mountains works very localized in the valleys.
Having invaded Syria and starting a battle with the Russian troops (there is already one downed plane, now there are artillery attacks), Turkey simply starts a war and receives it in return, no one will observe its "sovereignty", no matter how NATO calls for it, let it is better to call on the Turks to sit quietly or throw them out of the bloc so as not to be obliged to them, because if you harness them, then at least the Baltic limitrophes will disappear somewhere, well, Alaska is within easy reach, and then the PRC with its island interests which Japan has not yet avenged the occupation, and it will be too bad for the biosphere ...

In general, nuclear weapons are not the worst (and purest) weapons. China after the Damansky climbed not particularly, although at first there were attempts at mass raids.

[Cobra77]

Quote: Piotr.Kaskov

Apparently, there is an increase in rates in the hope that the Russians will again be afraid of a big war.

If it were the times of the Union, then no one would be scared. For with conventional weapons, the Union would almost certainly win any war in Eurasia. The Americans understood this very well. And now I will not undertake to judge. Wrong people at the helm to be sure. They can also flinch. I will say more, while for example I believe that they have already flinched in 2014 in the Donbass. When they were afraid to solve the problem with little blood. They preferred to retreat under the cover of Minsk-2. And essentially surrendered Ukraine. I hope everyone understands that she will not run back into the arms of the Russian Federation no matter what happens next?

[Scraptor]

Quote: cobra77

who would not be scared. For with conventional weapons, the Union would almost certainly win any war in Eurasia

Why only in Eurasia?
For TNW, the brigade point was already a "fat" target. The brigade concentrated against the Westernizers, they already planned to send the Lance just beyond the demarcation line from west to east without a control system and with a difficult head, then the same Luna would fly in the opposite direction.

And all this is not healthy, because it will radiologically destroy all living explosions of about 100 warheads in 2 weeks. Therefore, even during the confrontation with China, they began to look for an alternative, not like the Arab-Israeli ones later ...

The only thing that fetters you politically is how the Syrians look at it, but with Turkey everything is simple: if you don’t want to get WMDs, don’t go!

[Cobra77]

Quote: Oles

I hope everyone understands that she will not run back into the arms of the Russian Federation no matter what happens next?

Alas, I understand. Not, though, if for money Russia the proposal will be normal, then why not. Do you think someone needs the Russian world here? Nope, Russian salaries are more interesting to the average person. With pleasure would be occupied by Switzerland or the Scandinavian countries - Ukrainians have already figured out where there is more social.

You won’t get allies or friends with gold. You can only get iron or an idea. And this is bad with us. Especially with the second.