Bypassing the Bosphorus

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The project, interested in Stalin and Brezhnev, will be implemented

In Iran, preparations are continuing for the construction of the Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping channel. The project is, as in the past, of strategic importance for our country. But the West, together with Turkey, directly or indirectly prevented the creation of this artery. By the way, the United States included it in anti-Iran sanctions.

Since the 1890-s, our relations with Iran were largely determined by the project of the Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping channel. Developed by Russian engineers in 1889 – 1892, it provided the shortest exit for Russia to the Indian Ocean basin, the Turkish Bosporus and Dardanelles turned out to be unnecessary for this purpose.

The project was promoted by the collective refusal of England, France, Austria-Hungary and Germany to support the Russian 1878 proposals of the year regarding the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles about the control of St. Petersburg over these straits and the deployment of its military bases along their coast.

The fact is that over half of Russia's foreign trade was carried out in this way. And it was precisely through him that the interventionists, supported by Turkey, repeatedly penetrated into the Black Sea and, accordingly, to the shores of the empire.

Bypassing the Bosphorus


But preserving Russia's dependence on this route has been and remains one of the strategic tasks of the West in this region. For good reason in 1997, US anti-Iran sanctions were extended to the project of the Caspian-Persian Gulf channel. More precisely, companies and countries that assisted Tehran in the implementation of this plan were subjected to financial and other economic penalties. And although the US sanctions policy on Iran is being revised, it is not yet clear whether the bans on participation in this project will be lifted.

The joint Russian-Iranian commission for the construction of the canal, established at the end of the 19th century, began work in 1904. But the parties could not agree on the status of the project and the artery itself. Petersburg insisted on the principle of extraterritoriality, by analogy with the Suez and Panama Canals, which belonged to Great Britain and the United States at that time. The status of a condominium proposed by Tehran (a parity joint management) did not suit Petersburg, since there was no certainty about the clearly pro-Russian orientation of Iran. And the extraterritoriality allowed to ensure the military-political security of the route.

In 1908, negotiations were suspended, helped by growing pressure on Tehran from Istanbul and London on the status of the new channel and the timing of its construction.

The First World War, of course, did not allow the Russian-Iranian negotiations on the project to be resumed, and the subsequent normalization of Turkey’s relations with Soviet Russia reduced its relevance. As is known, the RSFSR and the USSR rendered military-technical and economic assistance to Turkey during its confrontation with the Entente and Greece (1919 – 1923). In return, Ankara in September 1924 ensured that the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles would never be used to the detriment of the interests of the USSR.

With the death of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in November 1938, anti-Soviet, more precisely, Pan-Turkist political trends in Ankara sharply increased. The best proof of this is her participation in the Fuel plan, a project of joint aggression with Britain and France against the USSR, scheduled for mid-March 1940. The plan included, in particular, the passage of British and French warships to the Black Sea.

But since the end of 30, Soviet-Iranian relations began to deteriorate, which was caused by the active influence of England, Germany and Turkey on Tehran’s foreign policy. There they were just preparing to terminate the Soviet-Iranian Treaty of 1921 of the Year “On Friendship and the Border”, according to which (article 6) the USSR, in the event of a threat to its security, had the right to bring its troops into the country.

Tehran-43. Unknown plot


From mid-April, 1941 Turkey under various pretexts made it difficult for the passage through the straits of Soviet ships with military and other cargoes for Yugoslavia, which was subjected to fascist aggression. The pro-Nazi policy of Turkey during the Great Patriotic War (at least up to 1944, inclusive) is also known. All these factors prompted the USSR to return to the idea of ​​the channel Caspian-Persian Gulf. The project was finalized by the fall of 1942 — after the joint entry of Soviet and British troops into Iran in August-September 1941 and the anti-fascist forces led by Shahinshakh Mohammed Reza-Pahlavi came to power in Tehran.

The alarming events on the Soviet-German front, the threat of a Turkish attack on the USSR and the approach of German-Italian troops to the Suez Canal in 1942 could not but contribute to the intensification of work on the creation of the Caspian-Persian Gulf channel. Both sides described the project as mutually beneficial and therefore promising. The question was raised at the talks of I.V. Stalin with M.R. Pahlavi, held on 30 on November 1943-th in Tehran.

The sharp deterioration of Soviet-Turkish relations in 1945 – 1953, on the one hand, contributed to the reanimation of the Caspian-Persian Gulf project. But on the other hand, the attempts of the USSR in the same period to “join” Iranian Azerbaijan to the Azerbaijan SSR led to the strengthening of influence on Tehran of Washington and London. Because the project was forgotten for many years. Moreover, in the spring of 1953, the Soviet Union headed for normalizing relations with Turkey, as it were, as opposed to difficult relations with Iran.

Soil preparation


Since the second half of 50's, the Iranian leadership has decided to restore the policy of what is called parity cooperation with the West and the USSR. In June-July 1956, an official visit of a government delegation led by Shahinshah to the USSR took place, unprecedented for history bilateral relations. A number of economic agreements were signed, which, however, did not concern the channel. However, at the talks, during one of the meetings of the then USSR Pres. Council N.A. Bulganin and Shahinshakh noted (according to the protocol record) that the parties attach great importance to studying the project of constructing the Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping channel. But this plot was not included in the final communique. Most likely at the initiative of the Iranian delegation, so as not to annoy the Americans, who dissuaded Tehran from the project.

Nevertheless, in 1962, a Soviet-Iranian commission was set up to work on the issue, the then head of the USSR Supreme Soviet, L.I. Brezhnev during his visit to Tehran in November 1963. It was then that the parties created a legal framework for the project, signing the agreement "On the joint use of water resources of the border rivers" and "On the development of transit of Iranian goods through the USSR, the Soviet - through the territory of Iran."

And in June, 1965, when the visit of Shahinshakh to the USSR, which was just as large as in 1956, took place, the parties agreed to speed up the reanimation of the project, but again without a corresponding mention in the final communiqué. A preliminary version of the channel was considered during the visit of the Soviet Prime Minister A.N. Kosygin to Tehran at the beginning of April 1968. The project was mainly approved by both parties. But by tradition, without mentioning it in the communique ...

In the same years, American-Iranian summits became more frequent, during which the United States directly or indirectly declared that the project did not correspond to the long-term interests of the United States and its NATO allies. This position was supported by Saudi Arabia. And in Iraq, on the contrary, they supported the project (providing the shortest route between this country and the USSR), which contributed to the normalization of relations between Baghdad and Moscow, which culminated in 1974 – 1975 in the bilateral treaty “On Friendship and Good Neighborhood”.

It is noteworthy that since the fall of 1975, plans for overthrowing the Shah regime and provoking the Iranian-Soviet and Iranian-Iraqi confrontations began to be developed in the United States. True, Washington observed the “etiquette” in the channel question: the American position on this project was also not included in the bilateral final communiqué ...

In Tehran, they did not dare to completely ignore the position of the United States. After all, up to 70 percent of the annual export volume of Iranian oil went overseas, and the share of the United States in foreign investment in Iran exceeded 40 percent. In addition, supplies from the United States at least by 60 percent covered the needs of the Iranian armed forces for weapons and ammunition. But in general, the share of NATO countries in providing the Iranian army reached 85 percent.

At the same time, Turkey from the second half of 60 began to periodically reduce the tariffs for the transit of Soviet foreign trade cargoes through the Bosporus and Dardanelles. This factor was important for the USSR, because, first, already in 60 at least 50 percent of the annual volume of exported Soviet oil was transported along this route. And secondly, the implementation of the project of the channel required colossal financial and technical resources, the allocation of which became problematic for the USSR for many internal and external economic reasons.

All this contributed to the fact that both sides did not even let down the strategic project, but chose not to accelerate its implementation. During the negotiations of Shakhinshakh in Moscow in October of 1972 and A.N. Kosygin in Tehran in March of the 1973 side again outside the communique recorded the channel’s mutual benefit, recommending that a number of technical parameters be clarified. However, the legal and technological base for future construction was still expanded: during these visits, in addition to the 1963 agreements mentioned, the Economic and Scientific-Technical Cooperation Program for 15 years and the memorandum On Mutual Encouragement of Capital Investments were signed.

In total, 60 – 70-ies in Iran with the help of the USSR built over 60 industrial, energy and transport facilities, including the Isfahan Metallurgical Combine, one of the largest in the region and adjacent to the Azerbaijan SSR, almost 500-kilometer-wide Trans-Iranian gas pipeline.

Washington, London and Ankara insisted that the main export stream of Iranian blue fuel be pumped through Turkey, but Moscow and Tehran in 1972 – 1973 agreed on the transit of Iranian gas to European countries during 20 years through the USSR. These deliveries were supposed to begin with 1976, but the deterioration of the domestic political situation and subsequent well-known events in Iran led to a “conservation” of the project.

In short, the Caspian-Persian Gulf trunk line, extremely advantageous to the USSR and Iran, ran into ever-increasing opposition from the United States and NATO. Although, judging by the mentioned agreements and tendencies in bilateral relations, legal, economic and technological ground was gradually being prepared.

Time to build


Today, the project in the list of priorities for Tehran and in contrast to the Shah period in the country does not at all conceal the parameters of the channel, or negotiations with other countries on its construction. According to Iranian experts and the media, the channel Caspian-Persian Gulf directly brings to the Indian Ocean not only Russia, but also most of the other ex-USSR countries, as well as Europe. For potential users, this path is more than twice as short as the traditional water route through Turkey. Therefore, not only Iranian, but also foreign specialists are involved in the finalization of the project. Channel commissioning is planned for 2020-x.

Similar assessments are expressed by the Russian expert community. In short, the Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping channel, which runs entirely through Iranian territory, is capable of providing the shortest possible access to the Indian Ocean basin from the North Atlantic, Baltic, Black Sea-Azov, Danube and Volga-Caspian basins. This route is necessary for the country not only as a transport corridor, but also to provide desalinated water to the central drylands. True, all this, though promising, but still only a prospect.

Back in 1996 – 1997, the leadership of the Iranian Ministry of Roads and Transport, sending delegations to Russia, reported a desire to attract its investments or technologies to build a trans-Iranian waterway. Our party, in principle, endorsed these proposals, speaking in favor of their comprehensive study, especially in the field of ecology, in view of the uniqueness of the Caspian's biological environment. At the same time, an agreement was reached on Iranian experts studying the Russian experience in hydraulic engineering. Iranian delegations sent by Tehran began to regularly visit the White Sea-Baltic, Volga-Baltic, Volga-Don canals. In 1998, a joint expert group was established to study the trans-Iranian water project, and the following year the government of the Islamic Republic officially approved the revised feasibility study.

The total length of the shipping route will be about 700 kilometers, including along the fairways of rivers of north-western (Caspian) and south-western Iran, including the international Shatt al-Arab, bordering Iraq, of the order of 450 kilometers. The required investment for the construction of the entire artery was estimated by the Iranian side in 2012 – 2013 years at least 10 billion, including the connecting trans-Iranian section (north-west - south-west) - in 5,5 – 6 billion dollars. Full payback of the project will come, according to local estimates, in the fifth year from the date of commissioning. According to the same calculations, the channel will provide Russia and Iran with transit revenues - 1,2 – 1,4 and 1,4 – 1,7, respectively, a billion dollars, starting from the third or fourth year of operation.

During the meetings at the beginning of 2000-s of the Russian-Iranian Commission on Trade and Scientific and Technical Cooperation, representatives of Tehran offered our country a number of options to pay for its technological assistance for the construction of the channel, as well as the construction of cargo (river-sea) and auxiliary vessels in the Russian Federation sought after by the waterway.

The recent publication of an expert group in Dagestan Pravda (Makhachkala) is noteworthy in this regard: “... The presence of shipbuilding factories in the republic is a strong argument in favor of creating a large industrial ship manufacturing cluster in Dagestan, including for the trans-Iranian route” . But the project of formation of such a cluster based on the Makhachkala shipyard-shipyard remained on paper. According to the chief engineer of this company, Mikhail Halimbekov, the drawings, technologies, calculations for the construction of modern high-tech production were prepared by a well-known shipbuilding company in Germany, but this did not move as far as it went.

It was also noted that in the opinion of “many scientists, including Dr. Sc., Professor Shikhsaid Abdullayev, based on the cooperation of republican industrial enterprises, it is realistic to organize a competitive production of river-sea vessels. Moreover, the use of the developments of the well-known Russian designer Hamid Khalidov for the creation of ships of mixed navigation of the new generation - "trimarans" - just meets the requirements and conditions of transit cargo transportation through such channels as the trans-Iranian. " Moreover, the world has seen an increase in demand for such vessels.

It is reasonable to assume that modern geopolitical factors, including the serious aggravation of relations with Russia provoked by Turkey, contribute to a more thorough study of the options for our assistance in creating such an important waterway.
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  1. +10
    7 February 2016 06: 45
    Caspian highway - Persian Gulf, extremely beneficial to the USSR and Iran

    Actuality, profitability in all senses, primarily in the political aspect of this project, has not raised serious objections for almost a century now. The fact that the enemies of Russia will impede its construction at all stages should not stop us, at least with regard to its design, we will look further.
    1. +9
      7 February 2016 08: 26
      I wrote a couple of days about it. I repeat. How to build a canal through the Zagros mountains. Moreover, almost 700 km. It is unrealistic, costly and almost unprofitable.
      1. +2
        7 February 2016 10: 18
        Just blowing rocks, for our manufacturers of explosives it bodes a lot of profit.
      2. +1
        7 February 2016 12: 23
        an interesting question, but there is no suitable gorge there? Well, nobody canceled the gateway system. If it burns out, the end of the Caspian Sea is like an "internal sea" Such battles will unfold.
      3. +2
        7 February 2016 15: 10
        "! How they expect to build a canal through the Zagros Mountains. Moreover, almost 700 km"
        carefully look at the geographical map
        1. +3
          7 February 2016 19: 42
          I’m not a hydrograph, but there are rivers there, and it seems the main task is to use river beds, locks are possible somewhere ... recourse But do not judge strictly just thoughts by ear, alas, far from the topic ... request
          1. -1
            8 February 2016 03: 18
            how are you going to raise ships along fast and narrow mountain rivers? The Caspian is surrounded by mountain ranges to the south; not a single vessel will climb along these rivers.
      4. +9
        7 February 2016 15: 16
        And why not? There, the ancient Ukrainians dug up the sea, we can hire a modern canal to dig. laughing
        1. 0
          7 February 2016 23: 06
          Michael. ......... can modern hire a canal dig. I support Michael, they’ll get down to business and stop jumping, and, accordingly, maidan.
      5. 0
        7 February 2016 20: 52
        Even at first glance, the channel from the Caspian Sea on the Sefir-Rud River to Lake Urmia, through the Iran-Iraq border to the Tigris River and along the Tigris to the Persian Gulf, is much more profitable.
    2. +2
      7 February 2016 23: 23
      Actual only for peacetime. The war will begin to block it with one missile strike, regardless of Iran’s opinion on this matter. So it is very controversial in terms of strengthening military power. And in finance I’m even afraid to think. Let's build a bridge to the Crimea; it is really needed right now.
    3. +1
      8 February 2016 00: 40
      Quote: venaya
      Caspian highway - Persian Gulf, extremely beneficial to the USSR and Iran

      Actuality, profitability in all senses, primarily in the political aspect of this project, has not raised serious objections for almost a century now. The fact that the enemies of Russia will impede its construction at all stages should not stop us, at least with regard to its design, we will look further.

      I read and don’t know whether to laugh or curse.
      What other relevance and profitability? The project is the end of the 19 century, and today we are discussing this in the 21 century.
      Dig a channel longer than 800 km with a height difference of 250m? In reality, this is not even funny. What for? Let's dig a channel from Petersburg to Vladivostok.
      Transfer loads? Thank God it's not for us to decide. The Iranians have enough mind not to do this. If freight traffic grows, or if demand is created, then the Iranians themselves will create a transport corridor (multi-lane highway, or high-speed rail, each of which will be much cheaper).
      Yes, the enemies of Russia will laugh if Russia gets involved in this project. My slippers are already laughing at this discussion alone.
  2. +15
    7 February 2016 06: 55
    Minus. This is just pure politics. And for those who will put the pros, I recommend to see this part of Iran on a geographical map. Continuous mountains, and considerable height. It is difficult to lay channels through such a relief without locks, pumping stations ... And Russia will receive little useful for its economy. But an unreliable route and wasted money in vain - that's for sure.
    1. -4
      7 February 2016 08: 03
      Quote: kuz363
      And Russia will receive little useful for its economy. But an unreliable route and wasted money wasted - that's for sure

      Complete utopia.
      And what is Russia going to carry on this channel?
      Payback over 5 years, and the cost at 10-12 billion bucks is not just a surprise, but a laugh.
      The only proof of the significance of the draft (without question) is that Stalin liked it.
      Is it an argument nowadays?
      1. +5
        7 February 2016 08: 30
        Did he tell you that? :-)
      2. 0
        7 February 2016 08: 37
        Quote: atalef
        Complete utopia.

        Hi, Sasha - this delusional article is pulled out for the second time, read the commas, the first time you grin, as the people divided everything and drank it as it should ..

        Quote: Stirbjorn
        - otherwise they gathered 735 km.
        afdjhbn67

        But what are they picking in the earth .. Let's immediately build a bridge to the moon (a thing of the same order with the channel) wassat
        PS.And if some idiot writes an article about the bridge to the moon, will they also be discussing so hotly? no one thought arises that rave?
        1. -15
          7 February 2016 08: 52
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Hi, Sasha - this crazy article is dragged out for a second time. Read the comms. The first time you grin, the people shared everything and drank it as it should.

          Hey . Nicholas.!
          after all, it can be washed with hats. and at the opening ceremony - to throw all these caps with these hats.
          The argument is one. if Stalin and Brezhnev liked this — the great economists who brought the country to abundance — then this must be done.
          Well.
          You can start digging.
          and it’s better to start from the Crimea and then there will be a direct exit of Simferopol to the Indian Ocean.
          1. +3
            7 February 2016 15: 16
            Quote: atalef
            You can start digging.
            and it’s better to start from the Crimea and then there will be a direct exit of Simferopol to the Indian Ocean.

            Will you continue to jerk, Colleague, then I’ll sell your idea to hahlam winked and they will start digging a tunnel from somewhere near ZhmerinkaYes . Don’t be surprised, Colleague, if they stop digging halfway request and begin to get out of it somewhere in Haifa belay ...
            1. +1
              7 February 2016 15: 20
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Will you continue to jerk, Colleague, then I’ll sell your idea to hahlam

              10% mine wink
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              and they will start digging a tunnel from somewhere near Zhmerinka

              But this is a problem. with the love of Ukrainians to work-do not start
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              and begin to get out of it somewhere in Haifa

              They are bad, but not so much, we need to work, and not ride on the Maidan.
              1. +1
                7 February 2016 16: 38
                Quote: atalef
                But this is a problem. with the love of Ukrainians to work-do not start

                Stop slandering the free, civilized Europeans as a wild and uncouth Asian. laughing
                Quote: atalef
                They are bad, but not so much, we need to work, and not ride on the Maidan.

                Well, the Jews will work, and Ukrainians will Maidan. Everything is logical, no contradictions. laughing
                1. 0
                  9 February 2016 13: 22
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Well, the Jews will work

                  where did you see a Jew with a "shovel" ??? laughing
            2. +1
              7 February 2016 15: 20
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Will you continue to jerk, Colleague, then I’ll sell your idea to hahlam

              10% mine wink
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              and they will start digging a tunnel from somewhere near Zhmerinka

              But this is a problem. with the love of Ukrainians to work-do not start
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              and begin to get out of it somewhere in Haifa

              They are bad, but not so much, we need to work, and not ride on the Maidan.
      3. +2
        7 February 2016 11: 33
        - so this is what Stalin liked him.
        Is it an argument nowadays ?,
        not, in our time, the argument is that I like it, and it works for the states. and the rest is not.
      4. +2
        7 February 2016 13: 11
        Quote: atalef
        The only proof of the significance of the draft (without question) is that Stalin liked it.

        Stalin is the SECOND argument FOR! The first is the Sansky and US-Yusovtsy who will not interfere with a project that is not needed and cannot be implemented, on the contrary, the more Iran throws it into the empty, the better.
        In my opinion, let Iran build, it turns out that good is good, no, not really, and I wanted to! And they need help, cement, metal structures, pumps are different ... Any whim for their money ...
        1. -1
          7 February 2016 13: 28
          The United States did not impose sanctions on this channel, all the more, they are not even aware that someone decided to make an incredibly difficult project, which Russia has to plow for years. It is impossible to build roads there, what can we say about the shipping channel.
      5. 0
        7 February 2016 15: 09
        Quote: atalef
        Payback over 5 years, and the cost at 10-12 billion bucks is not just a surprise, but a laugh.

        Throw away your tricky Yes Jewish calculator, Colleague, and count everything on regular accounts. And you will succeed. Yes
        Hi spiteful! drinks
      6. +2
        7 February 2016 17: 47
        so this is what Stalin liked him.
        Is it an argument nowadays?


        So your country, too, Stalin liked, and therefore appeared on the world map !!! So if this is not an argument, then it's time to demolish you from the card !!!!!!!!! hi
      7. 0
        7 February 2016 22: 53
        Quote: atalef
        The only proof of the significance of the draft (without question) is that Stalin liked it.
        Is it an argument nowadays?


        Definitely yes, Stalin did not approve of anything


        Quote: atalef
        Payback over 5 years, and the cost at 10-12 billion bucks is not just a surprise, but a laugh.


        Verbally. The very idea is super - it’s the geopolitical breakthrough of Russia and the Caspian countries into the oceans! If the calculations confirm the payback in 5 years - yes even more - if only a real term - then it’s definitely silly to miss such a chance

        I am sure that even if Russia goes to such costs, then after careful calculations and weighing all the risks, the pros and cons. other countries are likely to take part - China, the Caspian countries,

        I doubt that atalef is worried about the incorrectness of the above calculations and the concern for Russian money and expenses
        The very mention of Iran or the likelihood of Russia's breakthrough "to the sea" was never approved
    2. +3
      7 February 2016 09: 46
      And before that, for a hundred years, no one even saw the map?)
      1. +2
        7 February 2016 10: 21
        Quote: baudolino
        And before that, for a hundred years, no one even saw the map?)

        And the southern route Lend-Lisa was not there? I can not copy the map.
  3. -3
    7 February 2016 07: 13
    And the Volga (Ural too) will flow into the Persian Gulf? do we need it? And what will Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan say to this? The meaning and benefits of the canal are not obvious - another "turn of the northern rivers", and the costs will be ... ahem, beyond the atmosphere. negative
    1. 0
      7 February 2016 10: 29
      And what will Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan say to this? The meaning and benefits of the canal are not obvious - another "turn of the northern rivers", and the costs will be ... ahem, beyond the atmosphere.

      They just say thank you ..
      Like the fact that these Russian yaks were dug out to the ocean ... and since the canal goes through Muslim countries (and the east is such a subtle thing), hemorrhoids can be blocked very soon more than from a gas pipe through the square.
      By the way, I think that the return on 5 years of such a project will be on the condition that we dig a ditch, and then they will throw us.
      Here in five years all their steamers and tugboats will pay off.
      Respectfully..
      1. +2
        7 February 2016 11: 07
        Quote: Lekov L
        They just say thank you ..

        A trial railway train has already been allowed into Iran, why is this channel necessary if it is possible to drive goods by rail?
  4. +3
    7 February 2016 07: 17
    Build a canal under 1000 km long through solid mountain ranges? Why are you getting stoned ??? If only they would have looked at the physical map before writing the article, this is complete nonsense.
  5. kig
    0
    7 February 2016 07: 19
    The total length of the shipping route will be about 700 kilometers, in addition, it is indicated by a straight line as an arrow by a line on the map - not even funny.
    1. +2
      7 February 2016 07: 24
      Quote: kig
      it is also indicated by a straight line as an arrow by a line on the map

      Why be smart? The author connected the two nearest points and the channel is ready. smile
  6. cap
    -2
    7 February 2016 07: 31
    "It is reasonable to assume that modern geopolitical factors, including the serious aggravation of relations with Russia provoked by Turkey, contribute to a more thorough study of the options for our assistance in creating such an important waterway."

    What the Turks fought for and ran into!
    Even if it’s a fix idea, it will make many scratch the back of the head.
    1. fix
      0
      9 February 2016 17: 25
      This is not my idea;) I am against;)
      By the way, I remember from school that the Caspian is 30 meters below sea level. But how does it come to someone’s mind to open the gateways of the future channel?
      But seriously, what can be transported along such a channel, which is impossible with a piece of iron or through a pipe? Navy? So it will be blocked at once, not the channel, so at the exit from the bay.
  7. +2
    7 February 2016 07: 35
    It is reasonable to assume that modern geopolitical factors, including the serious aggravation of relations with Russia provoked by Turkey, contribute to a more thorough study of the options for our assistance in creating such an important waterway. (???)


    Perhaps, I repeat, perhaps an easier option is the expansion of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles? request
    1. +2
      7 February 2016 08: 38
      The understudy of the Panama Canal between Canada and Mexico; well, you understand
  8. +2
    7 February 2016 07: 39
    This is pure utopia. Political verbiage and nothing more.
    1. +1
      7 February 2016 15: 16
      Quote: Athenogen
      This is pure utopia. Political verbiage and nothing more.

      Apparently this is a fake. Another "product" of political strategists)).
  9. +2
    7 February 2016 07: 46
    This promising project is the first to de-diversify shipping lanes to Asia and Africa. secondly, it will give a powerful impetus to the development of the regions of the North Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan. this channel will be built sooner or later, but on whose terms this is a question. if Russia pulls the Chinese will come, the Chinese need to get rid of dollars and invest in real projects. what are they doing all over the world.
    1. +4
      7 February 2016 10: 41
      Quote: I am Groot
      impetus to the development of the regions of the northern Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan

      And I am Russian, and their development has been violet to me since they became so independent ...
      Let it be built without our North Caucasus by everyone else at their own expense.
      But if our oligarchs under this mortgage from "their" funds at a good percentage and a share in the business will be given, it will be quite democratic ..
      1. -3
        7 February 2016 11: 03
        don't violet believe me! not violet! if at least in Azerbaijan and in the North Caucasus there are high-paying jobs, then there will be representatives of these regions on your streets. And if Russia will push its price, the Chinese will take their place. then you Russian will have to pay the Chinese for passing through this channel. And the Kazakhs, Turkmens and Azerbaijanis are more interested in them, so they will certainly be thrown off.
        1. +1
          7 February 2016 16: 04
          I will have to pay the Iranians anyway.
          And so at least do not pay for construction.
          And I do not believe the great and ancient Caspian peoples (see my comment above).
          But under guarantees and nishtyaki loans, you can also participate. Especially "private" persons.
          And so dear Turkmen and Azerbaijani, let them carry their goods through our or Chinese railways, even in Europe, at least in Asia.
          Not such a big turnover.
    2. +1
      7 February 2016 13: 06
      Quote: I am Groot
      if Russia pulls the Chinese will come, the Chinese need to get rid of dollars and invest in real projects. what are they doing all over the world.

      Do not scare the Chinese! They won’t come. They don’t know how to trade, but they need to learn from them. The Chinese simply don’t need this channel. They will calmly use the Kazakh-Turkmen section of Turksib with access to the Iranian railway via the Serakhs station of the international transport corridor North-South. And build your projects on the money of others, look for dumbasses elsewhere.
  10. 0
    7 February 2016 07: 48
    "nanochannel"
    1. 0
      7 February 2016 21: 06
      Quote: samarin1969
      nanochannel

      or maybe "nakakalkanal"?
  11. 0
    7 February 2016 08: 06
    Utopia .. Money down the drain ...
    1. +2
      7 February 2016 17: 34
      Lord minusers see below comments Stas57..I’ll add from myself .. in the years 2007 -2008, I don’t remember anymore .. there was a sketch of the project of the canal bypassing the Kerch-Yenikalsky, along the Taman Peninsula, the booklet was even lying around somewhere .. Moreover, representatives of a South Korean company came to us, the authors of this project and the type of sponsors .. The channel was supposed to connect the estuaries of the Azov and Black seas .. The construction time is 6 or 7 years with obtaining all kinds of permits and examinations .. But thank God that they did not build and did not start .. One of the reasons is ecology, there are a lot of all kinds of reserves and a seismological region ... sometimes it shakes us up to 4 - points ... In addition, somewhere in the early 80s of Technology-Youth, the idea of ​​building a canal connecting the Caspian and Azov seas was expressed ... it was also beautifully painted as in this article .. and did not reach the project .. the idea of ​​the channel .. the policy of clean water .. Russia and Iran decided to tease the "geese" ..
  12. 0
    7 February 2016 08: 33
    Once I read it ...
  13. +5
    7 February 2016 08: 40
    ... the route is unreliable, it is impossible to dig, water does not flow uphill, etc., etc. ... aw, experts, what kind of x ... you are discussing something that is not a snout. not a scent. The year 1890 is something telling you or do you consider all idiots?
  14. +9
    7 February 2016 08: 43
    And did someone think about the military use of the channel? And why 3.14ndosy and Anglo-Saxons against? This alone makes you stop spitting and think twice.
    1. -1
      7 February 2016 21: 14
      Quote: am808s
      military good channel

      ??? Can you drive missile cruisers into the canal? What can be the use of channels during the war? Can channels now be mined with missiles or strategic bombers? How many of our minesweepers suffered damage during the clearance of the Suez Canal?
  15. +5
    7 February 2016 09: 13
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Once I read it ...

    Yes, a couple of days ago. Digging through Iran is not digging on the Central Russian Plain! These are solid Highlands and ridges! Peaks up to 4000-5000 m. Passes for 2000-3000 m. THIS WILL NOT BE A CHANNEL-A COMPLETE STAIRWAY FROM THE GATEWAYS. VERY EXPENSIVE !!
    And yet. Do you need this route? There are railways and paved roads in Persia, they cannot cope with the transit? Yes, they are half empty !! I understand if the route was needed, then we went on foot, on horses, camels, then cars and railway .But this "merchant" route is not very popular!
    If someone has money, it’s better to dig it on Sakhalin, and then on TV, a little bad weather the island is blocked, planes don’t fly, ferries don’t go !!! Here THIS ROUTE IS NEEDED !!! hi
    1. 0
      7 February 2016 21: 30
      A dam project more convenient in all respects on Sakhalin, north of Nikolaevsk on the Amur, with the help of modern 120 ton dump trucks, is nothing unusual, but the Southeast coast of Sakhalin will not be washed by cold waters from the Arctic Ocean, the waters of the Sea of ​​Japan will warm the Tatar Bay, which will improve the climate the entire Far East coast. There is only one big BUT !!! the waters of the Gulf of Tatar will begin to be desalinated by the waters of the Amur, and on the other hand, the second dam, to the South can create a freshwater lake, slightly less than the fourth part of Lake Baikal, and fresh water will soon be worth its weight in gold.
    2. 0
      8 February 2016 22: 48
      Quote: fa2998
      dig better on Sakhalin

      And after all, this project was even included in the plans - and for the 12th year the design, and for the 14th start of work, and now they are not even considering it - but the bridge to Sakhalin has the prospect of access to Japan (another bridge), / d communication between Japan and Europe. And if Russian Railways begins to carry goods faster than 12 km / h, then the prospects could be ...
  16. +6
    7 February 2016 09: 19
    Dear editor! Maybe better about the reactor,
    About your favorite moon tractor? After all, you can not the same year
    Then the plates are scared, they say, mean, fly,
    Then you have dogs barking, then ruins say.
    We have learned something in something - we beat the plates all year,
    We have already eaten a dog on them, if the chef does not lie to us.
    And piles of medicines - we are in the toilet, who is not,
    This is life! And suddenly Bermuda. Here that time, it is impossible so!
    We did not make a scandal - the leader was missing.
    There are few real violent people - there are no leaders.
    But the intrigues and nonsense of the network we have and nonsense,
    And the wicked intrigues of enemies will not spoil us!

    Vladimir Vysotsky: Letter to the Editor - Lyrics http://mirpesen.com/en/vladimir-vysockij/pismo-v-redakciju.html#ixzz3zSMb7jDV
  17. +1
    7 February 2016 09: 53
    Some kind of nonsense, how will they cut a channel through the Elbrus ridge, at the foot of the Demavend? Then to run into the Iranian highlands?
  18. +2
    7 February 2016 10: 12
    To begin with, it would be nice if our pensioners had enough food and medicine after paying for housing and communal services. Patients did not make an appointment with the doctor a month in advance. And the average Russian peasant had the opportunity to provide for his family. The state is painful, and here we are engaged in manilism.
    1. 0
      7 February 2016 10: 24
      If they will build this canal, then most of the investments in it will be from the Iranian side - our machine builders will provide them with equipment, and chemical production with explosives.
  19. +6
    7 February 2016 10: 14
    Ukrainians do not forget to invite to dig, they have a great experience (even now they dug a ditch) that they dig some 700km through the mountains.
  20. +4
    7 February 2016 10: 34
    There are such amazing things as design institutes. They go back and forth, picking their nose and saying all kinds of crap, like you can build or not. If possible, how much will it cost. As a rule, they do not work on globes and maps from a school geography textbook. If during the discussion of the project it was a question of payback and partners, then, obviously, the issue of technical feasibility and cost the issue is resolved. Talking about rocks and plains no longer makes sense. An alternative route to the Indian Ocean has many benefits for the Russian Federation, because England puts the wheels in the wheel. The issue of relations with Iran is quite complicated, as with any eastern country. But it must be considered in the context of the possible diversification of the economies of our countries. Iran sanctioned is also interested in the result, as are we. There are, of course, risks. But in international trade they always are. But profit is possible. Entering India's markets with our LNG and oil is a counterweight to the European intrigues with their energy packages.
  21. +1
    7 February 2016 10: 50
    [media = http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = LLAHh0Nl0nQ]
    And let's just wait until the Basurman dies of hunger.
  22. +12
    7 February 2016 11: 03
    should be written according to normal sources. not as an example above

    I report.


    there are xnumx options
    Western route(pink) - the shortest distance between two coasts, with a total length of about 950 km, from the North of the Persian Gulf to the south-west of the Caspian Sea, passing through Arvand Rudo, Karuna River, R. Archa River (~ 450 km) to the north -Sefidrud River ( ~ 50 km). Above the river is partially navigable. In the central part, the canal will pass through the high mountain valleys of Zagros (about 600 km long). General advantages of the Western route: lowlands passing through Khuzistan and Gilan provinces, partial navigability of rivers, the possibility of using artificial reservoirs and canals for water supply. However, the main drawback of this route is the passage through the chain of Zagros and Elburs mountains, especially in the provinces of Kurdistan and Hamadan, where rise to heights 1800 m higher . The western route is only mentioned as a probability; no detailed studies have been done for it, given that experts give high priority to the more flexible eastern route.

    East route (red) - extends from the coast of the Gulf of Oman and extends southeast of the Caspian Sea total length 1465 - 1600 km . In 1996, this route was first proposed by engineer H. Farzad.
    approximate heights
    From 0 to 250 m (above sea level) 65 km
    From 250 to 500 m (above sea level) 330 km
    From 500 to 1000 m (above sea level) 920 km
    From 1000 to 2000 m (above sea level) 150 km

    of the important.
    There is no project, no at all. no. There are approximate schemes, but the real tech. rationale and research no. all with your finger on the map.
    -No one did. Never.
    seismicity.
    The minimum predicted channel depth is 5,0 m. Maximum 7.
    - very large differences - from the Caspian Sea (-28 m above sea level), to the lowest point to the top of the Elbrus ridges (2000м) - a lot of water is required.
    -cost, approximately 7 mld, but this is not an assessment of eviction, compensation, cost incurrence, etc.
    -economic benefits are unclear (recall the port of Olya) and the payback of 5 years is a fairy tale.
    -Well, they say ecology will bite. that of the Caspian, that of Iran.
    1. 0
      7 February 2016 11: 26
      7 billion per 1000 km? Non-electrified railway will cost even more than once every 5. And electrified, rectified - 10.
      And here, taking into account the work ... all 700 will succeed, or even more.
      1. +5
        7 February 2016 11: 51
        Quote: Bersaglieri
        7 billions per 1000 km?

        so the fact of the matter is that nobody really really considered this project (who believes that 100 thousand people are needed, who 2 million people), they said 7 -10 so that people would not be scared, and there it’s all 700, well, 5 years of payback - it’s still ololo.

        I repeat, these are approximate estimates, well, at the level of an analytical note, on the terrain, surveys were carried out only a few years before the revolution and war (for them, respectively), then they again revived in 90 and as many as 130 people worked. and in 96 the character above came up with the eastern route.
        in the end, kmk, they decided that this was nonsense, but pulling off funds, saws and other financial joys can be fucked from him. here it comes up every 5 years - it is very profitable from a political point of view, but what: "now the Russian Federation and the Turks are in opposition, let us please them with this project, we will make it pleasant for the Russians, and the Turks are kaku".
        Ours happily nod in response, say "Great deed!" and agree to sign a memorandum or agreement, or something else, to show their superiors that they are not in vain.
        and everyone is happy
    2. +4
      7 February 2016 11: 35
      Huge plus to Stas. Clearly laid out on shelves hi
    3. 0
      7 February 2016 12: 20
      And how much is the Caspian Sea higher or lower than the Persian Gulf?
      1. +3
        7 February 2016 13: 27
        Quote: Vadim237
        And how much is the Caspian Sea higher or lower than the Persian Gulf?

        -28m below ocean level.
        1. -1
          7 February 2016 21: 46
          That is, water from the Persian Gulf will flow into the Caspian Sea and the level of the Caspian can rise by 28 meters?
  23. +1
    7 February 2016 11: 23
    Absolutely unnecessary business. It would be much more reasonable to reconstruct and expand the Iranian railway network, and build ferry terminals on the Iranian coast and in Makhachkala.
  24. +2
    7 February 2016 11: 31
    Any project should have an economic basis. That is, the designer must justify his project, be obliged to prove why it is necessary to spend so much on this project and how much is the benefit of this. They have been talking about this channel for so many years. This question has been discussed in Iran’s shah. How Do you think that with a direct influence on the Shah of Iran, the Americans and the British could not build this channel? They could. But they didn’t, because there is no benefit from this project.

    P.S.Iranian landscape is not the Sinai Peninsula for you to dig the Suez Canal.
  25. +1
    7 February 2016 11: 32
    We have access to the ocean.
    Arctic.
    It is not controlled at all. The submarine dives under the ice and goes in any direction.
    From a military point of view, it makes no sense to build such a channel.
    This is technically difficult. And the most important thing . Iran’s authoritarian theocratic regime doesn’t inspire confidence at all.
  26. +4
    7 February 2016 11: 46
    Mega-Giga project from the series: - "And talk!"
  27. +1
    7 February 2016 12: 09
    Already tried to turn the Siberian rivers, already blew up nuclear charges for the construction of oil and gas storage ... they plowed virgin lands so that they eventually increased the desert ... reclamation was reclaimed and there is no Aral Sea ... no guys ... let's better build a road for ourselves HUMAN and yes to build a bridge in the Crimea ... and these .. well, who is there ... let them dig ... saw Shura, saw, they are gold
    1. +1
      7 February 2016 12: 18
      Aral Sea cotton producers destroyed.
      1. -2
        7 February 2016 21: 36
        The Aral Sea was already shallow in the Middle Ages, then it was filled, now it is again shallow, why does it do this? a riddle. No cold growers can force the whole sea to grind.
        1. 0
          7 February 2016 21: 49
          There is almost no water there, due to human activity, and this is a fact.
  28. 0
    7 February 2016 12: 57
    Some experts as I look.
    Well, then I'll "expert" a bit.
    Why did everyone cling to these "mountains" - "money"? Someone already has a calculated project on hand? Yes, apparently it will be more expensive, but it will not be easy to dig in the mountains. Do you think the Panama Canal was dug through the football field?
    And correctly, someone here noted: - the question has been hanging since the 1890s! Really from nehhhh to do? In geopolitical terms, the implementation of this project will change the importance of the region CARDINALLY. Without going into many emerging opportunities for trade and economic ties, the construction of this facility alone can not give a weak impetus to the economies of the participants. This time.
    And now two. The Caspian naval flotilla almost automatically turns into a STRATEGIC Russian Indo-Ocean fleet in terms of power and spheres of influence. SUCH an instrument of influence on affairs in the region (in terms of efficiency, potential, speed of transfer, cheapness) will be no more there! hi
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    2. +1
      7 February 2016 13: 19
      Quote: Fidel
      Some experts, as I can see. Well, then I'll "expert" a bit. Why did everyone cling to these "mountains" - "money"? Someone already has a calculated project on hand?

      Well, it’s not to be seven spans in the forehead, to understand what Cho is nonsense
      Quote: Fidel
      Yes, apparently it will be more expensive, but digging in the mountains will not be easy. Do you think the Panama Canal was digging through a football field?

      Compared, I’m not saying that it is only 81 km long, the height difference is 27 m, and the cost in modern money is 5 billion dollars
      Quote: Fidel
      And correctly, someone here noted: - the question has been hanging since the 1890s!

      For optimists --- not worth it, but how it hangs !!!!!
      Quote: Fidel
      In geopolitical terms, the implementation of this project will change the importance of the region CARDINALLY.

      What?
      Quote: Fidel
      Without going into many emerging opportunities for trade and economic ties, the construction of this facility alone can not give a weak impetus to the economies of the participants. This time.

      Of course - he will ruin them
      Quote: Fidel
      And now two. The Caspian military flotilla almost automatically turns into a STRATEGIC one in terms of power and spheres of influence of the Russian Indian Ocean Fleet


      Well. Yes, there are Gauges and a lot of REEEEEEEEB
      Quote: Fidel
      . SUCH an instrument of influence on affairs in the region (in terms of efficiency, potential, speed of transfer, cheapness) will no longer be there

      Well yes, especially in transfer speed fellow
    3. +1
      7 February 2016 13: 31
      Quote: Fidel
      And now two. The Caspian naval flotilla almost automatically turns into a STRATEGIC Russian Indo-Ocean fleet in terms of power and spheres of influence.

      I cry with delight ... crying wassat
      1. +1
        7 February 2016 13: 51
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        I cry with delight ...

        Namesake! Don’t cry, your eyes will eat Kara-Bogaz-Gola salt, because if you build this canal, the Caspian will turn into the Aral Sea, and the Aral Sea into the desert. It is necessary to fill the floodgates with water, but taking into account filtration into the ground and increasing the evaporation area, it seems to me that the Caspian is not Enough, and pumping from the Persian Gulf is an expensive pleasure.
  29. +1
    7 February 2016 13: 00
    But aren’t they going to dig through the Himalayas? It’s obvious that you can’t make a navigable canal through the mountains and deserts, Iran has a problem with water, maybe they want to pour water from the Caspian and desalinate it on the spot.
  30. 0
    7 February 2016 13: 36
    There’s not enough money to build! to drag the canal through the Iranian uplands, to grease the soil around, (there will be some tea, sea water, except for river sections. And locks and other structures? here they will build a bridge to the Crimea for three years, and how many ?! What 2020 years ?!
    1. +1
      7 February 2016 13: 54
      Quote: nnz226
      here they will build a bridge to the Crimea for three years, and how many canals ?!

      You yourself answered: 2020 years.
  31. +1
    7 February 2016 14: 03
    Quote: ib_virus
    Build a canal under 1000 km long through solid mountain ranges?

    UK.ry dug up the Black Sea. They built the Rostov Mountains (according to the unforgettable Psaki). Maybe the channel will overpower? This is if you agree with the author of an article that has already been published, and only 2 days ago. And if you look at the map, then even the student will say that this is unrealistic.
  32. 0
    7 February 2016 15: 31
    I don’t really understand ... And on the hell channel ??? Build a super-duper railway communication between the Caspian and the Persian Gulf - and all business. And the railway itself is a valuable thing for Iran ...
  33. +4
    7 February 2016 16: 32
    Is this a joke or something?
  34. +5
    7 February 2016 16: 47
    Generally awesome idea! I am directly writing with delight: the Russian Indian Ocean Fleet! Zhirinovsky weeps with delight and sends the entire LDPR Faction to dig a channel! Americans saliva and cry! All the help! Do the Chinese still build the Nicaraguan Canal or not?
  35. +3
    7 February 2016 16: 51
    It's a great idea to dig a canal right through Tehran. It will be possible to name this channel after the implementation of the Golden Stream project. I think the name is not bad, because the water in the channel will not be cheap.
    But seriously. Probably some way not to dig mountains can be found, let it be longer there. Well, is this our channel with extraterritorial rights? No. Well, what's the difference then with the Bosphorus?
  36. 0
    7 February 2016 17: 23
    As a builder, I am certainly glad that such a grandiose undertaking is underway, but the economy must, of course, be clarified. and the optimal route must also be developed very carefully. The whole original project shortens the way from China to Europe.
  37. -1
    8 February 2016 03: 31
    The option is curious. Several dams have already been built on the rivers of Zagros, so part of the canal practically exists. To work out the canal along the rivers, to stick a cascade of hydroelectric power stations and the double benefit of the project.
  38. -1
    8 February 2016 14: 09
    I’ll put a plus sign for the curious material. The project itself is an adventure, no one will ever deal with it. It will not pay off in 200 years.
  39. 0
    8 February 2016 20: 20
    If spiteful commentators consider themselves smarter than J.V. Stalin, who saw benefits for the USSR in the implementation of this project, then I’m afraid to repeat myself (in previous comments I already wrote: if someone speaks badly about J.V. Stalin, then personally for me he is a pid-cat), but this commentator is at least not competent. Take an interest in geopolitics, comrades, you will understand a lot. At one time, Comrade Stalin decided on the issue of the White Sea by radically drawing his famous line, sending the Anglo-Saxons for what, and he was guided by the same geopolitical principles by annexing the Kuril Islands - the so-called "northern territories", the Japanese, at the suggestion of the United States, are still howling ... What is the Leader's geopolitical sagacity? And on the question of the feasibility of the trans-Iranian transport project, I would like to say the following: with the assassination of the USSR, the epoch-making transcontinental project was killed - ekranoplanes: an economically viable competitor to both air and railways. It was the USSR that was the leader, as they say now, developed the know-how of creating ekranoplanes. We, the USSR, could become a monopolist of a new route of communication (a postulate of geopolitics), given our status as the only transcontinental superpower (precisely because we are the only transcontinental power) to create an alternative to the Suez and Gibraltar Canal (Strait), which truly crushingly changed the balance of geopolitical forces in the world ... In general, I would like to say the following: the channel is needed, but it is not necessary to dig it ...
  40. 0
    1 January 2019 22: 58
    The Caspian-Persian Gulf Canal (with access to the Indian Ocean) is a wonderful project, but there is one "but": Iran, for political reasons, can close the passage through it at any time, and then something will have to be done with Iran itself.
    The second circumstance that should not be forgotten: the Caspian Sea ceases to be a closed reservoir, and ships of non-Caspian states can penetrate into it, at least in theory.

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