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Bavarian visit to Vladimir Putin, or how to put Merkel out of the brackets?

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While Angela Merkel spoke with Vladimir Putin by telephone, “demanding strict compliance with the Minsk agreements,” Horst Seehofer, head of the government of Bavaria (federal state in the Federal Republic of Germany), was preparing for a personal meeting with the Russian president. It would seem, well prepared and prepared - is it worth the reader's attention to information about the plans of some regional German politician? But the thing is that Horst Seehofer is by no means “some kind of regional politician”, but more than an impressive figure in German politics.


Bavarian visit to Vladimir Putin, or how to put Merkel out of the brackets?


First, a few words of background information about the figure of the Bavarian Prime Minister. Horst Seehofer is a 66-year-old politician who heads the Christian Social Union (CSU). In turn, the CSU is one of two segments of the CDU / CSU faction, which represents the main parliamentary support for the current German Chancellor Angela Merkel. At the same time, lately in the “slender” ranks of the faction, outright disunity has begun to manifest itself, and this discrepancy is associated primarily with the position of the head of the Christian Social Union, namely Horst Seehofer.

If the main non-party opponents of Angela Merkel are the German “Left” (the so-called faction in the Bundestag) represented by Sarah Wagenknecht, recognizable in Russia, then for some time Frau Merkel also has a clear intrafactional opposition in the face of Seeehofer.
What is the essence of his claims to Ms. Chancellor is?

First, Seehofer literally everywhere criticizes Merkel’s position on refugees. And it is possible to understand Seehofer if only because it is through Bavaria, of which he is prime minister, that hundreds of thousands of refugees enter Germany (enter, enter or crawl under the fences). Moreover, up to 24% of refugees arriving in the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, in principle, they are not going to go further to Bavaria, since in this region of Germany everything suits them completely. In other words, the resettlement of refugees, even within Germany itself, is uneven, and Bavaria is under serious pressure to meet the needs of a large number of immigrants. Earlier, the Bavarian authorities even initiated a lawsuit against Angela Merkel for her “open door” position against refugees from countries in Africa and the Middle East.

Secondly, Horst Seehofer adheres to the point of view according to which not a single major European crisis can be solved without cooperation with Russia. According to Seeekhofer, Russia must be a full-fledged participant in the process of resolving European crises for the simple reason that Europe does not end in Germany, it does not end in Poland, and is not limited to the European Union alone. Seehofer is confident that attempts to isolate Russia from Europe are one of the instruments of influence on Europe itself, which by definition cannot lead to anything positive with respect to Germany.

This position is not just alarming Merkel, it causes a quiet shock. After all, if Seehofer and his CSU will look for a way out of the faction, then, firstly, the days of Merkel as the Federal Chancellor will be numbered, and secondly, this will serve as a serious change in the political landscape of Germany. And before Merkel, her main overseas “friend” sets entirely different tasks.

And against such a political background, Horst Seehofer announced that he intended to visit Moscow and, if accepted in the Kremlin, meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The horror in the ranks of the Merkelev CDU has grown from the quiet into the real one - loud. So, Merkel loyal media literally pounced on Seehofer. Some demand that the Bavarian prime minister, whose rating in Germany is already higher than Merkel's rating, immediately abandon his trip to Russia, others threatened Seehofer with informational information, if one may say so, if he meets with Putin. In general, freedom of speech and democracy in action ...

Before his visit to Moscow, Seehofer told his critics through other German media that he "reported on his visit to Russia to Angela Merkel and German Foreign Minister Steinmeier." Like, yes, I warned the "allies" of the "coalition", warned - calm down already ... But supporters of the old woman Angels from the calm in connection with Seehofer's visit to the Russian capital are clearly far away.

Newspaper Kommersant With reference to the press secretary of the Bavarian Prime Minister Rainer Hutku, he says that Horst Seehofer would like to meet in Moscow not only with the President of Russia, but also with the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov, the Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev, and the Mayor of Moscow Sergey Sobyanin and Moscow Region Governor Andrei Vorobyov.
The alarm in the camp of those German elites who used to live and work exclusively on orders from overseas, was beaten with a new force. Having seen the names of the persons with whom the Prime Minister of Bavaria plans to talk, in Berlin they said: Guard! Seehofer was going to bypass anti-Russian sanctions and enlist the support of Russia!

The reason for such statements is that the authorities of the federal state of Bavaria had previously stated that they kind of respect the EU’s decision to impose anti-Russian economic sanctions, but at the same time remind that Germany is not only Berlin ... Germany is a federation, and each of its subjects has its own set of laws and its own economic interests. Reducing trade with Russia offered to stop through interregional trade. One of the formulas: trade is not in the “Germany-Russia” line, but, for example, in the “Munich-Moscow” line, because sanctions against Moscow as such have not been imposed. This bold trolling by the Bavarians forced opponents to fidget nervously in their chairs and think about whether they would have to receive directives from Washington on the imposition of sanctions now on each of the Russian cities, especially since the “Seehofer formula”, without advertising it, used in other federal lands of Germany ...

And when Seehofer announced that he was going to Moscow, in the political circles of Germany, he was reminded of the statements in the style “Germany is not only Berlin”. In these very circles, which include, for example, the Free Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), they said that Seehofer "crosses the boundaries of what is permitted," because "it is Berlin, not Munich, that determines the foreign policy of Germany."

German edition The World (link ИноСМИ) writes that Seehofer will be adopted in the Kremlin. Wherein The World writes this: Seehofer will discuss in Moscow the facts of "Russia's intervention in the internal politics of Germany." That is, the “di-Veltovists” are seriously confident that it is about some ridiculous Merkelev-Steinmeier nonsense “Russian interference in the affairs of Germany” ... Although, what else can I write to this “democratic” media? .. Well, don’t they will write in the major German press that Seehofer is going to really lead Germany along the path of pragmatic rapprochement with Russia, which will be an expression of the interests of an adequate part of Europe and, most importantly for Germany, its own interests. They will not write it simply because for such German media the phrase “German interests” acquires the correct meaning only at the moment when the word “Germany” changes to the abbreviation “USA”.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 3 February 2016 06: 06
    42
    Horst Seehofer is by no means “some kind of regional politician”, but more than an impressive figure in German politics
    ... judging by the photo, yes ... a big burgher! Genosse Seehofer, just pragmatically thinks for the "vaterland", not listening to the overseas "chief". And Bavaria has something to offer us.
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 3 February 2016 07: 27
      52
      Is it not only the European Union that is falling apart, but also Germany?

      The Kingdom of Bavaria existed before the Franco-Prussian War and the unification of Germany.

      The idea of ​​regional trade at Seehofer is interesting. Can be extended to other countries.

      Gascony-Moscow))) You are all gayropeans, and we are d'Artagnan)))
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 February 2016 08: 05
        23
        If the United States does not "crash" it, both figuratively and literally, then for the United States it will be a complete collapse throughout Europe.
        1. PKK
          PKK 3 February 2016 13: 15
          11
          Well, it’s not a complete collapse for the United States. And it needs to be protected better, let Vova help him. The force uniting Germany with Russia comes from the Earth. This force is so powerful that no dirty tricks and squeaks from across the ocean can hold it back! Long live the unity of GERMANY with RUSSIA! Hurray! Comrades!
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 3 February 2016 13: 40
            +8
            Quote: PKK
            Hurray! Comrades!

            Yes, you are a real political instructor! This is not a minus yes
          2. fif21
            fif21 4 February 2016 08: 37
            +2
            Quote: PKK
            The power uniting Germany with Russia comes from the Earth
            fool Auschwitz, Majdanek ... What are you talking about? Bad Frau Merkel and good Bavarian hog? They need the Russian market and raw materials. Another attempt to "dilute" Russian suckers with a bazaar and minimize economic losses from Russian sanctions? Kisenzher still arrived (USA) Bargaining in progress? GDP try to buy? to set on the right path? I do not like all this. Or Obama was quick to thank his Western allies for supporting the United States in putting pressure on Russia, contrary to his economic interests what
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 5 February 2016 03: 15
              +3
              Quote: fif21
              They need the Russian market and raw materials.

              And we, in our vast expanses and our will, need technology and equipment. All the rest, even green ones, wrappers - this is particular. This is the liquid in the thermometer that measures the temperature of the sick world)).
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          4. Abakan
            Abakan 5 February 2016 21: 43
            0
            let Vova Well))) Semyon Semyonitch is not Vova, but VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN)) dear))
            1. Kunar
              Kunar 6 February 2016 05: 29
              +1
              Mykhanyv Ivanovich ..... laughing drinks
        2. Sergey Eremin
          Sergey Eremin 3 February 2016 18: 31
          -1
          Nobody will bang him. The gut is thin!
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 3 February 2016 08: 08
        15
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The Kingdom of Bavaria existed before the Franco-Prussian War and the unification of Germany.

        Before the unification of Germany by Bismarck, there were several dozen German small states. And now in Germany there are 16 federal states and Bavaria is only one of them. Although its official name is Free the state of Bavaria is encouraging. All other federal states are not free, except for Saxony and Thuringia. smile
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Is it not only the European Union that is falling apart, but also Germany?

        Why not? Frederick the Great, Bismarck and Chancellor Kohl are the unifiers of Germany, Hitler and Merkel are destroyers.
        1. Vend
          Vend 3 February 2016 09: 27
          +5
          Germany is not only Berlin
          And what did he say wrong here? This applies to any country.
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 3 February 2016 12: 14
          +8
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Free State of Bavaria, encouraging

          Optimism... what But I’m thinking what will happen to Frau Merkel, Munich hedgehogs will remember this and start to troll Berlin ..hi
          .Bavarian Soviet Republic- short-term public education, proclaimed by the Council of Workers and Soldiers Deputies 13 April 1919 in Munich. Existed until 1 May 1919. wink
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 3 February 2016 21: 26
          +5
          "Bavarian - transitional link from Austrian to human"(Bismarck).
          I strongly suspect that the Bavarians are experiencing Bismarck (and his politics!) strong mutual feeling... laughing
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      3. Poppy
        Poppy 3 February 2016 09: 35
        +9
        Bavaria now has a special status within Germany - it is not called the federal state (Bundesland) like the rest (with the exception of Berlin), but the free state of Bavaria (Freistaat Bayer)
        1. alpamys
          alpamys 3 February 2016 12: 17
          +9
          Quote: Poppy
          Bavaria now has a special status within Germany - it is not called the federal state (Bundesland) like the rest (with the exception of Berlin), but the free state of Bavaria (Freistaat Bayern)


          Bayern has not only a special status, but also feeds all of Germany and pays most of all to Berlin, without the rest of Germany, Bavaria will live perfectly, but Germany will not be able to live without Bavaria. In Bavaria there are a bunch of world famous companies, MAN BMW AUDI Messerschmitt KUKA MTU KraussMaffei OSRAM and so on.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 3 February 2016 23: 59
            +5
            Daimler-Benz, to the heap (Stuttgart). And the grandmother, it seems, was going to stir up a patchwork quilt from the country, without realizing it herself, and, perhaps, even not wanting it. Even from school history lessons it was fun to study the map of the German lands of the "pre-Bismarck" era. EMNIP, then there were thirty-three independent states, of which the "top" were Bavaria, Prussia, Saxony, the rest were on the "dance." Later, Saxony "blown away", and Prussia "burst" (Hello, Kaliningrad, and the keys to Berlin in our Museum of Artillery soon there will be nowhere to hang). Until now, only Bavaria has carried its "standard", which is quite logical and fair, at least historically ... Although, perhaps, economically and geographically too. hi
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 5 February 2016 03: 19
            0
            Quote: alpamys
            Bayern has not only a special status, but also feeds all of Germany and pays the most to Berlin, without the rest of Germany, Bavaria will live fine

            Transfer the meaning of your maxim to Moscow and you will understand that everything is somewhat more complicated)).
      4. yushch
        yushch 3 February 2016 12: 06
        +7
        Or maybe this is the future chancellor of Germany? If there are residents of Germany on the resource, tell me ..., you know better what they say in the place. hi
      5. Yars
        Yars 3 February 2016 23: 41
        +2
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Is it not only the European Union that is falling apart, but also Germany?

        The Kingdom of Bavaria existed before the Franco-Prussian War and the unification of Germany.

        The idea of ​​regional trade at Seehofer is interesting. Can be extended to other countries.

        Gascony-Moscow))) You are all gayropeans, and we are d'Artagnan)))

        right, all this will lead to the disintegration of Germany
    2. Finches
      Finches 3 February 2016 10: 10
      17
      What Seerhofer can do is not allowed to the German Chancellor!

      Washington will not be able to do anything to Seehofer, but the Germans will now need to fear traditional American dirty tricks - accusations of raping a maid or a poor refugee, as well as slander about total corruption in Bavaria, sucked from a finger!
      1. Sergey Eremin
        Sergey Eremin 3 February 2016 18: 35
        +3
        This may actually be a well-planned action. But Merkel is indignant only for the picture.
        USA already got everyone!
    3. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 3 February 2016 10: 23
      -6
      Haberdasher..! To the Cardinal !! (c) laughing
    4. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 3 February 2016 11: 19
      14
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Genosse Seehofer, just pragmatically thinks for the "vaterland", not listening to the overseas "chief". And Bavaria has something to offer us.

      I know for sure about two other genosses, in particular, Y. Luzhkav and E. Stoyber were two "dumb sidekicks". When they were in power, trade flourished. For example, at that time I worked for a transport company that was engaged in the transportation of meat to Russia. Served the association "Südfleisch" So there 10-12 trucks every day went to Moscow. And these two sidekicks still managed to "make extra money" from this. Since for each exported kilogram of meat, the EU paid additional 3.50 DM. They came up with a cool circuit. Plastic forms were made in the form of a half carcass, in these forms wastes of the intestine and others were frozen. And how money was concerned for the meat. And in Russia these trucks went straight to meat and bone factories and burned. And the money was paid as it should be, in the pocket, moreover, tax-free. For Germany, these sanctions are twofold disadvantages.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 3 February 2016 12: 15
        +7
        100% This is Merkel’s last term, everything is clear to everyone. Germany France I think Italy, maybe there will still be some countries like Austria, will refuse sanctions! And a man from Bavaria is going to think of discussing options as soon as possible in practice to bypass the sanctions!
      2. Alexy
        Alexy 4 February 2016 06: 12
        +1
        You described some gray schemes here.
    5. lukke
      lukke 3 February 2016 17: 46
      +5
      judging by the photo, yes ... a big burgher!
      judging by the photo, the meeting will not be the first time, but judging by the expression on the face of the GDP - there is a full gut! in relationship...
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  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 February 2016 06: 10
    17
    Well, a bad cop, a good cop. It's good. There is maneuver, a game, an intrigue.
    Putin knows and knows how. Waiting for a visit.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 3 February 2016 07: 17
      -9
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Well, a bad cop, a good cop. It's good. There is maneuver, a game, an intrigue.
      Putin knows and knows how. Waiting for a visit.

      Yes, it would break Germany into a dozen states, and it would be much easier to deal with them ....
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 3 February 2016 07: 44
        19
        No way! Europe will turn into a kingdom of crazy dwarfs, like the Baltic countries, without centers represented by Germany and France. Who then do you have to do with? request
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 3 February 2016 11: 13
          +6
          Quote: Observer 33
          No way! Europe will turn into a kingdom of crazy dwarfs, like the Baltic countries, without centers represented by Germany and France. WITH who then have to do business?


          Yes, with every small state, from a huge position.

          Dear minuscule-remember the story! -Germany united at the end of the 19 century and arranged almost immediately TWO consecutive world slaughterbringing it to Russia terrible losses and destruction! And today again the united Germany, the locomotive of anti-Russian sanctions, is threatening Russia with new ones. again the most powerful army in Europe. Little rake?
          And with the small German states, Russia always found a common languageplaying on their contradictions or punishing any of them - and it is FAVORABLE to Russia, like the collapse of the EU,
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 3 February 2016 12: 09
            +5
            Quote: Aleksander
            Dear minus signers, remember the story! -Germany united at the end of the 19th century and almost immediately organized TWO consecutive world massacres, bringing Russia the worst losses and destruction!

            You might think that without unification, Germany was weak and defenseless.

            You have not forgotten - where did Germany unite? In the Palace of Versailles almost defeated France! And before that disconnected Germany in the person of Prussia forced to peace Austria is its main rival on the German field.

            So, at least unite Germany, at least separate - everything is one. The Germans even in a "dismembered" state are far from a gift.
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 3 February 2016 14: 24
              +2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              You have not forgotten - where did Germany unite? In the Palace of Versailles almost defeated France! And before that, a disconnected Germany in the person of Prussia forced to peace its main rival in the German field - Austria

              How can you compare small wars disconnected Prussia with France (180 thousand dead) and AVENGERIA (15 thousand dead) with that carnage that united Germany arranged in the xnumx century (72 million dead)? When she subdued ALL Europe, and not just a couple of countries?
              The danger of a united Germany is far more obvious.
              And Prussia never posed such a threat to Russia as a united Germany.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 3 February 2016 16: 07
                +2
                Quote: Aleksander
                How can one compare the small wars of a disconnected Prussia with France (180 thousand dead) and AUVGERIA (15 thousand dead) with the massacre that united Germany organized in the 20th century (72 million dead)? When did she subjugate ALL of Europe, and not just a couple of countries?

                And so it can be compared. In the 60-70s XNUMXth century Prussia consecutively defeated two of the five great European powers. Moreover, in the last war, Prussia, having put together a coalition of German states, defeated one of the strongest armies in Europe and the world. After which she grabbed Alsace and Lorraine from the losing side (and even imposed a heavy indemnity on it).
                By the standards of the XNUMXth century, this is a full-fledged big war in Europe.

                So the disengagement of Germany absolutely did not prevent her from waging big European wars.

                By the way, if Germany had not united, it would probably be more difficult to put together the Entente (a loose union of German states looks less threatening than a single Reich). And then in 1914 the German coalition army on the Western Front could have succeeded: the Germans would have made a remake of the 1871 war. smile
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 3 February 2016 22: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And so it can be compared. Yu


                  Yes, sorry, no way.
                  In 60-70's 19th century Prussia consecutively defeated two of the five great European powers.

                  And in the 20-th century, ALL Europe and the world consistently and twice.
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  grabbed from the losing side Alsace and Lorraine

                  Funny-- amid her acquisition all of Europe in 1939-1940
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  So the disengagement of Germany absolutely did not prevent her from waging big European wars.

                  Yes, this was especially noticeable during the Napoleonic wars — miserable puppets in the hands of great powers.
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And then in 1914, the German coalition army on the Western Front could have succeeded: the Germans would have made a remake of the 1871 war of the year

                  Or they would be beaten one by one, playing on contradictions and promising something that was obviously impossible hi
                  1. Alexy
                    Alexy 4 February 2016 06: 20
                    +1
                    Yes, and all this. Why consider Germany solely as an enemy. I think this is not right. First of all, it is necessary to establish partnerships.
                    1. fif21
                      fif21 4 February 2016 09: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexy
                      I think this is not right. First of all, it is necessary to establish partnerships.
                      Judging by your flag - transatlantic partnership laughing We were working with the EU, so what? A shout from overseas and partners turned their booty. Well, who needs these sixes? We sell them oil, gas, timber .. but you need to sell gasoline, diesel fuel, products of "orgsynthesis" furniture, plywood, planed boards ... Live with wolves, howl like a wolf. hi
                      1. 97110
                        97110 4 February 2016 19: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: fif21
                        We sell them oil, gas, timber .. but you need to sell gasoline, diesel fuel, products of "orgsynthesis" furniture, plywood, planed boards ... Live with wolves, howl like a wolf.

                        We do not “sell”, but “sell”. What is more profitable for sellers. And howl to us. I am on behalf of persons who do not own the means of production.
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              2. CTEPX
                CTEPX 5 February 2016 03: 26
                0
                Quote: Aleksander
                with the slaughter that united Germany organized in the 20th century (72 million dead)

                The slaughter was staged by the Anglo-Saxons)). Now, too, are you hanging all the bumps on Wahhabis?
          2. tacet
            tacet 3 February 2016 12: 55
            +1
            At the expense of the army you are very mistaken. If we consider separately the armies of the countries of the EU member states, then the most combat-ready (but not the strongest, they told us not so long ago lol ) Most likely there will be an army of Poland.
            1. PKK
              PKK 3 February 2016 13: 20
              -3
              Hitler at one time did not ally with Stalin. So at least for now let them correct the mistake
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 5 February 2016 20: 08
                +1
                Quote: PKK
                Hitler at one time did not ally with Stalin. So at least for now let them correct the mistake

                belay Now what? In one coffin of them, or what to put? laughing Dear, please formulate your idea in a more understandable way. wink
          3. builder
            builder 3 February 2016 12: 58
            -2
            she again has the most powerful army in Europe

            With their army, you went too far, there were tears left from it, they ride instead of machine guns on stick exercises.
          4. Idiot
            Idiot 5 February 2016 09: 18
            0
            Both world massacres were organized and channeled towards Russia by our geopolitical friends, who are cheaper to have enemies - the Anglo-Saxons. Turn on your brain before speaking out publicly.
          5. Idiot
            Idiot 5 February 2016 09: 18
            0
            Both world massacres were organized and channeled towards Russia by our geopolitical friends, who are cheaper to have enemies - the Anglo-Saxons. Turn on your brain before speaking out publicly.
      2. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 3 February 2016 07: 47
        10
        Yes, it would break Germany into a dozen states, and it would be much easier to deal with them ....


        A naive and unsuccessful idea. This will make us worse, instability in the center of Europe is what will happen. Russia is more profitable just a friendly independent Germany. And no need to ruin anyone stop
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 3 February 2016 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: SkiF_RnD
          instability in the center of Europe is what will happen. Russia is more profitable just a friendly independent Germany


          Russia is much more profitable scattered, gnawing among themselves Europe than the same Europe, opposing it as a united front-turn to HISTORY!
          1. Alexy
            Alexy 4 February 2016 06: 38
            +1
            I do not agree. A fragmented Europe is primarily beneficial to the United States. Look at Eastern Europe and especially the Baltic states.
        2. 97110
          97110 4 February 2016 19: 09
          0
          Quote: SkiF_RnD
          Russia is more profitable just a friendly independent Germany.

          And to those who have power over Germany? Just friendly and independent of US? Maybe if the US and the South Coast wash away the wave.
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 3 February 2016 10: 48
        +2
        Quote: Aleksander

        Yes, it would break Germany into a dozen states, and it would be much easier to deal with them ....

        Why go too far?
        We need Germany for Nord Stream-2. Anyway, they are useful for fighting the United States. Nat states will oppose the European market.
      4. SIMM
        SIMM 3 February 2016 16: 32
        0
        Like the States, yes?!?)))))))
      5. Alexy
        Alexy 4 February 2016 06: 27
        +1
        No need to ruin anyone. Do you want another dozen Washington mongrels embittered by Russia?
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  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 February 2016 06: 11
    43
    The German edition Die Welt (InoSMI link) writes that Seehofer will be adopted in the Kremlin
    Sarkozy came, Seehofer is going to ... It seems that Putin is coordinating future presidents with them. Here's another trump coming ... laughing
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 3 February 2016 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Sarkozy came, Seehofer is going to ... It seems that Putin is coordinating future presidents with them. Here's another Trump coming.

      It seems to me that this visit is also tightly coordinated with Merkel and is furnished with information obstacles only for averting eyes, so that the mattresses perceive this visit as a private initiative of one of many German politicians.
      It would be unreasonable for Merkel herself, who is under the "cap" and bound by sanctions obligations, to pay a visit, and therefore we are waiting for an emissary.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 4 February 2016 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      It seems that Putin is already coordinating future presidents with him. Here's another trump coming ...

      At the GXNUMX meeting, Angela Merkel, to annoy Putin, said:
      - And today I dreamed that I was appointed President of the Earth!
      Obama assented: - And I dreamed that I was appointed president of the universe!
      Putin slowly drinks coffee and calmly replies:
      “And I dreamed that I had not approved anyone.”
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 3 February 2016 06: 11
    12
    So this is where smart Germans live! In Bavaria.
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    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 3 February 2016 07: 12
      20
      Do not forget that it was in Bavaria that Nazism began to form in post-Versailles Germany. This is not what neo-Nazis are raising their heads in this land (I mean the administrative-territorial unit). Not at all. The fact is that Bavaria, having become part of the united "iron and blood" Germany in the century before last, has always been, as it were, an individual, even the South Germanic (Bavarian) dialect of German differs in pronunciation from Hochdeutsche. Bavaria may give birth to a new political course in modern Germany and its current Prime Minister Seehofer may well become the new Bundeskanzler. However, I would not hope that even in this case, Germany's foreign policy will undergo any radical changes in favor of Russia - Germany has long been an object of international politics and follows a course overseas in everything, and the most surprising thing is that after the collapse of the USSR this dependence of the largest and most authoritative European country on its overseas partner has a clearly pronounced tendency to increase, up to a truly slavish submission. It is a shame for the Germans and it serves them right.
      I have the honor.
      1. Poppy
        Poppy 3 February 2016 09: 37
        +4
        hohdoych is basically an artificial language, it is not spoken anywhere (closest to the pronunciation of Hanover), all the lands of Germany have their own languages, not only in Bavaria
        although yes - Bavarian differs more than others and is considered ridiculous - when they translate a foreign film and any of the characters speaks somehow funny, they sound it Bayerish
      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 3 February 2016 10: 56
        +1
        and the most amazing thing is that after the collapse of the USSR, this dependence of the largest and most authoritative European country on its overseas partner has a pronounced tendency to increase, up to truly slavish submission.
        In the 30s, Germany dreamed of world domination, and in the 90s only the USA got it.
      3. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 3 February 2016 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        This is not to say that now in this land (meaning the administrative-territorial unit) neo-Nazis are raising their heads.

        Here you are a little wrong. Not in Bavaria but in Thuringia and Saxony. In Bavaria, they are the least.
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        even the South Germanic (Bavarian) dialect of the German language differs in pronunciation from Hochdauche.

        In Germany, each farm has its own dialect. For example, if a person from Munich speaks with a person from Kiel in their own dialects. This is the same as Russian and Chinese in their native languages, and the Chinese will speak Mandarin.
      4. alpamys
        alpamys 3 February 2016 12: 23
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        there was always, as it were, an individual, even the South Germanic (Bavarian) dialect of the German language differs in pronunciation from Hochdauche.


        acher argument ... kindergarten, every Bavarian village has its own dialect and what?
  5. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 3 February 2016 06: 21
    13
    "Germany is not just Berlin."
    Well, Russia is not only Moscow.
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 3 February 2016 06: 54
      +6
      "Germany is not just Berlin."
      Well, Russia is not only Moscow.

      So let him make a tour, even in Vladivostok. However, if he really decided on both sanctions, establishing regional economic ties, then in order to achieve a practical result he should not have met with Putin at all, but had to deal with regional administrations and businessmen. Well, if this is a big political game with regional sauce - then of course.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 3 February 2016 11: 39
        +4
        request The citizens of the country sometimes begin to have vague doubts. But is Moscow Russia in general?
      2. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 3 February 2016 11: 56
        +3
        Quote: Blondy
        However, if he decided to really sanction both minds, establishing regional economic ties,

        Turn around bypass and pretty good. I see what's going on at the customs.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 February 2016 12: 54
          +1
          any movement against customs regulations EXTREMELY increases the cost of goods, this is an axiom ... It is advisable exactly until the moment when it becomes economically unprofitable ..
  6. warriordima
    warriordima 3 February 2016 06: 31
    +3
    Such movements can not but rejoice.))
  7. Telemon
    Telemon 3 February 2016 06: 33
    +3
    Hmm, in this case, about Merkel, you can "portray" the words of Great Krylov: Monkey to old age became weak eyes- viewing such a threat to your beloved is simply not permissible ...
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 3 February 2016 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: Telemont
      Monkey to old age became weak eyes


      And not only through the eyes, if from the rostrum makes statements in the meaning of which she herself does not believe. It requires Russia to implement the Minsk agreements, knowing that this is absurd. Let millions of loafers enter the country, UNDERSTANDING that the country's economy will not pull them without serious damage to the native Germans. That these hordes will never become part of the German people, but will be a counterweight to it.
      Local authorities no longer hope for a wise government, and in order to save the population of their districts from the mediocre policy of the Chancellor, they are trying to directly establish contacts with those whom they trust.
      In Germany there are still politicians rooting for the country. They would unite, and not ride alone.
  8. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 3 February 2016 06: 43
    +7
    Let the Germans not be confused until they expel the occupying armies of the United States and England from their territory and stop crawling with the State Department
    1. cap
      cap 3 February 2016 07: 09
      +6
      surprise[quote = Zeus’s great-grandfather] Let the Germans be confused until they expel the occupying armies of the United States and England from their territory and stop crawling with the State Department [/ quote

      "Germany is a federation, and each of its subjects has its own set of laws and its own economic interests. It was proposed to stop the reduction in trade with Russia through interregional trade. One of the formulas: trade not along the" Germany-Russia "line, but, for example, along the line "Munich-Moscow", after all, no sanctions were imposed on Moscow as such. ”This fat trolling by the Bavarians made the opponents nervous fidgeting in their chairs and thinking about whether Washington would have to receive directives from Washington on imposing sanctions against each of the Russian cities. "
      In fact, we found a weakness in sanctions. It will be difficult to sanction alphabetically on all Russian cities and impose scales. Russia is the Federation.
      Imagine now what the faces of the congressmen look like. laughing
  9. chikenous59
    chikenous59 3 February 2016 06: 51
    10
    As many as you can publish such articles, as many as you can rejoice, BUT.
    Germany is occupied and does not have independence. So there will be no result.
    There will be no "separatist" movements either. It is not profitable for Russia.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 February 2016 06: 55
    +8
    Who knows, how to know, maybe this is the future chancellor arrived. Even if not, food is for the mind for the future.
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 3 February 2016 07: 02
    +7
    donuts from Putin ... wink
    Seeerhofer is "spinning" against the background of the media GDP.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 3 February 2016 11: 27
      +1
      Some donuts will not do here ...
  12. Balagan
    Balagan 3 February 2016 07: 07
    +2
    Well, in the fall, they once told how Europeans were looking for an approach to the city of Moscow, they say they are not dealing with isolated Russia, but with the ordinary city and its mayor Sobyanin. Groped - stomped further along the trodden path.
  13. 1536
    1536 3 February 2016 07: 17
    +1
    This is our way, in the Byzantine style!
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 3 February 2016 07: 26
    +7
    Seehofer will be adopted in the Kremlin... There are men in German villages ....
  15. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 3 February 2016 07: 37
    +6
    This can happen if Horst Seehofer really decides to become a Bundeskancer and ruin the party supporting Merkel. Rather, first break up, and then become. In general, German pragmatism needs to be paid tribute to: at least in words and in fact they comply with anti-Russian sanctions, but they installed turbines for the Crimean thermal power plants)) Now this is Horst’s statement ..
    If only it didn’t happen to him as he did with Dominic Strosskan at one time - they stupidly threw him into the cell according to the testimony of a lawlessness some kind of simple ... woman - but also spoke out for rapprochement with Russia in general and Putin in particular. Okay, we'll see. Personally, I am impressed by a politician who has his own views on the development of his country, rather than a talking head broadcasting instructions from across the ocean.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 3 February 2016 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      if Horst Seehofer really decides to become a Bundeskancer and ruin the party supporting Merkel. Rather, first break up, and then become.

      "To unite, we need to dissociate ourselves" (c) V. I. Lenin
      Well, who would argue that Lenin’s ideas do not live and do not win lol
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 3 February 2016 07: 44
    -4
    why the "burghers-troyeshniki" from the EU often used to consult
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 3 February 2016 12: 26
      +4
      Quote: Volka
      why the "burghers-troyeshniki" from the EU often used to consult

      Seehofer has an order of magnitude more weight in Germany than Merkel
  17. 2С5
    2С5 3 February 2016 07: 48
    +1
    ... the fascists will declare Bavaria an anti-terrorist operation zone and will start lawlessness there as in the Donbass or the wall will be restored ... it is clear that it is not sweet for the Bavarians to get into refugees, but there really is nothing to be done, all the complaints to the "director of planetary democracy and tolerance" ... and this gentleman goes to our capital for reconnaissance to look for a place to retreat for himself and other "Russian Germans", he will try to become his type, but with a policy of double standards, which all subordinates of the USA are sick with, it is unlikely that he will burn out ...

    .Horst Seehofer adheres to the point of view that no major European crisis can be resolved without cooperation with Russia. According to Seehofer, Russia should be a full-fledged participant in the process of resolving European crises for the simple reason that Europe does not end in Germany, nor does it end in Poland, and is not limited to the European Union alone. Seehofer is sure that attempts to isolate Russia from Europe are one of the instruments of influence on Europe itself, which is not capable of leading to anything positive regarding Germany

    ... is this a hint that Russia in relation to which the sanctions are imposed should again be kind and solve and resolve European problems? For example, accept refugees or somehow influence the stabilization of the crisis in Europe? Danuna "" x, we have our own problems in abundance to be distracted by yours ... get all complaints and wishes to Frau's General Secretary or to the League of Sexual Reforms (according to Ostap Bender) ... and don't waste time trample on the floor on Russian territory , otherwise Russia is an aggressor and does everything wrong, that is, not in our own way, but as zhist by the heel grabbed everyone at once to cut through the beginning and the time and the words are correct and they have behavior for dialogue ... only that's suspicious this activity, whatever one may say ... VVP on takeoff, so all sorts of Qataris, Bavarians and other mold began to stick to it, so that they could earn extra money against its background and, like "later", break through a ski track ... but I wonder if the situation is straightforward will radically change to the opposite, where will they break and who will lick?
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 3 February 2016 09: 10
      +2
      I, too, did not understand - how can we help them? Only advice! smile
      Mutually beneficial business, too, has not been canceled. We can still sympathize, or be glad that the marauding geyropa is dying. Nothing more, by and large. Blacks will not go to explore the Arctic. Some kind of riddle ...
    2. kitamo
      kitamo 3 February 2016 10: 40
      +1
      Quote: 2C5
      Fascists will declare Bavaria an anti-terrorist operation zone and begin to outrage there as in the Donbass or the wall will be restored.


      will there be horse-drawn Buryats in the BNR?
  18. X Y Z
    X Y Z 3 February 2016 08: 00
    +5
    It’s good that they’ve been frequented, it means that the process has begun. Of course, no one is cutting the truth-uterus in the face of Frau Chancellorin, but they are hinting transparently. And this is in Germany, where the cult of obedience reigns and the slightest discontent expressed aloud can mean the end of a career. But the instinct of self-preservation is already singing in all horns and few people want to experience the strange ideas of the aforementioned frau on their own skin. It's time for someone to tell the world that the king is naked.
  19. WHITE CAT
    WHITE CAT 3 February 2016 08: 13
    0
    Horst Seehofer is by no means “some kind of regional politician,” but more than an impressive figure in German politics. Nude Nude. The most impressive figure in the politics of Gkrmania ... is the president of the United States, and it doesn’t matter how his name is.
  20. Pitot
    Pitot 3 February 2016 08: 14
    +1
    In general, it would be nice, ideally - German Ordnung + Russian "ingenuity" ..... Khan of the current Geyrope ... would become Europe again.
  21. Riv
    Riv 3 February 2016 08: 24
    0
    It is worth remembering here that Munich is the main center of German nationalism. Remember the Beer Hall Putsch? This name he has a funny, and so he had every chance of success, then act more decisively Nazis. And it was not in vain that it began in Munich. Hitler was not stupid, he counted on the support of the population and received it. For 80 years, of course, a lot has changed there, but not that.

    So these visits should be treated with extreme caution. A Bavarian politician of this rank cannot but have ties with nationalists.
  22. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 3 February 2016 08: 38
    +1
    The Washington regional committee may not survive this: urgently need to look for the raped maid.
  23. uskrabut
    uskrabut 3 February 2016 08: 54
    +4
    All the troubles of Germany, as well as Russia, from the interference of the arrogant Saxons. These radishes really do not want the rapprochement of our countries, there are a lot of examples in history. But according to the logic of things, it is very profitable for us to cooperate with the Germans, an alliance would be strong. This arrogant Saxons can not afford.
  24. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 February 2016 09: 07
    +4
    It is clearly seen that German politicians and businessmen are pretty tired of their Chancellor's pro-American policies, of the troubles that she has brought to the country in recent years. And not only German, but some politicians from other EU countries are tired, as Merkel rules the ball in the political arena of Europe. And if the Greeks had the opportunity, then they would have thrown it off the cliff, and the highest.
  25. kam4atka
    kam4atka 3 February 2016 09: 29
    +2
    Relocation of Germans? (In the worst case scenario)
    Something tells me they won’t let the Germans get closer to us.
  26. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 3 February 2016 09: 44
    +2
    The game has begun - WHO IS THE FIRST in Europe to wake up and throw off the yoke of the United States. Germany, France, Italy ....?
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 3 February 2016 17: 31
      0
      in the sense of "who is brave" well, well, you have to look for a long time.
  27. bad
    bad 3 February 2016 09: 55
    +5
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Well, a bad cop, a good cop. It's good. There is maneuver, a game, an intrigue.
    Putin knows and knows how. Waiting for a visit.

    Yes, it would break Germany into a dozen states, and it would be much easier to deal with them ....
    ..it is exactly what mattresses will have on hand — a bunch of crazy dwarfs such as dealers — and they will all listen only to mattresses how to live .. there’s no gut ..
  28. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 3 February 2016 10: 22
    +1
    It's real feint ears wink Still, Fritz found a loophole, interestingly guessed it yourself, or who bothered with it?
  29. South Ural
    South Ural 3 February 2016 10: 52
    +3
    150 years ago in Europe and around the world they feared a pragmatic union of Russia and Germany (late 19th century, 20ies of the 20th century). Now there’s a third chance. The first two ended in world wars ...
  30. Belousov
    Belousov 3 February 2016 11: 16
    0
    It is not necessary for the Bavarian to travel to the states, otherwise he will inadvertently "rape" some monkey. Interestingly, Strauss-Kahn, a man with money, good money, could call an elite young lady to his room, and supposedly he coveted such a fearful man ... Well, well ...
  31. Rostislav
    Rostislav 3 February 2016 11: 26
    +2
    All that remained was the Genosse Seehofer to unite with Sarah Wagenknecht and only the guillotine (resignation) would save Merkel from this headache.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 3 February 2016 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Rostislav
      All that remained was the Genosse Seehofer to unite with Sarah Wagenknecht and only the guillotine (resignation) would save Merkel from this headache.

      this Sarah is still a little thing, she understands Putin, but the influx of refugees into Germany supports .. both ours and yours. negative
  32. Colonelic
    Colonelic 3 February 2016 12: 14
    0
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    So this is where smart Germans live! In Bavaria.
    Better not say!
    Support.
    Soon we will see the concrete results and fruits of this interesting visit.
  33. iouris
    iouris 3 February 2016 12: 15
    +1
    Well, for the federalization of Germany! Tsum will!
    Then maybe Bavaria will unite Germany with an iron hand.
    1. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 3 February 2016 12: 29
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Well, for the federalization of Germany! Tsum will!

      Javal Mine Fuhrer. drinks
      Friends are just a joke.
      1. iouris
        iouris 3 February 2016 14: 44
        0
        There is a joke in every joke, Herr Henry.
  34. Victor-M
    Victor-M 3 February 2016 12: 51
    +3
    And when Seehofer announced that he was going to Moscow, in political circles in Germany he was reminded of statements in the style of "Germany is not only Berlin." In these very circles, which include, for example, the Free Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), they said that Seehofer "crosses the limits", as "it is Berlin, not Munich, that determines the foreign policy of Germany".

    And what prevents Bavaria from getting out of control of Berlin? The Bavarian people have the right to self-determination, as are the Western Ukrainian banderlogs. Give free Bavaria!
  35. gladcu2
    gladcu2 3 February 2016 20: 40
    0
    All German politicians should be officially castrated for political reasons.

    I understand from the comments.
  36. Olegi1
    Olegi1 4 February 2016 00: 31
    0
    Quote: Sergey Eremin
    Nobody will bang him. The gut is thin!


    Physically - no, of course, why. But in the political sense - they can. Remember Strosscan ...
  37. japs
    japs 4 February 2016 13: 47
    +3
    You know the Bavarians badly. Bavarians believe that Bavaria is Germany. And all the other fucking Saxons and Prussians and Swabians, and the backward in the mental development of ostfreezes, just stick together.
  38. Pasha
    Pasha 4 February 2016 18: 46
    0
    no faith in all Western politics. there will be no peace. they can’t cope with political forces anymore, Europe + the European Union + NATO are constantly provoking, they are now showing us this, but they were silent before. but it has always been. it may not reach open collisions yet, but this is the only way to shut their throats. they already got their screech. constant dirt, or we resist or get used to and become pigs.
  39. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 4 February 2016 20: 50
    0
    There are a lot of comments, but I'm afraid during the visit, as they say: Only business interests, nothing personal! "Everyone understands that a very big political game is going on, or rather the prologue of the game, the game itself is only being thought over and the Outskirts and the Balts may be (most likely!) But the fact that the alliance between Germany and Russia has not yet taken place, although it has been planned twice, is very bad and blame, and politicians on both sides are equally responsible due to mutual distrust. If such a chance appears now, then it cannot be missed.
  40. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 5 February 2016 08: 19
    0
    If Bavaria’s memory doesn’t fail me, the only land in Germany that has not signed a federal treaty, the Earth will tell you the problems of Germany tomorrow, that we are a separate state and the collapse of Germany will turn out, since Bavaria is Germany’s most developed region. HERE Merkel and freaks out.
  41. skrabplus.ru
    skrabplus.ru 5 February 2016 11: 24
    0
    GERMAN BUSINESS MUST SUPPORT THE POSITION OF THE FUTURE KAISER Horst Seehofer. AND PEOPLE ALSO.
  42. Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 5 February 2016 15: 26
    0
    Well, meeting with a real candidate for chancellor (and sooner or later Merkel’s term will end) is a good thing. In Europe, peace reigned when Russia and Germany were on good terms.
  43. taseka
    taseka 5 February 2016 17: 40
    0
    As old as the world - Hess also flew to London! Kurbsky fled to Warsaw!
  44. vell.65
    vell.65 5 February 2016 21: 22
    +1
    The states have some incriminating evidence on Merkel, so she dances to their tune. The Germans also need to think sometimes, but they still sometimes think well.
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 6 February 2016 05: 46
      +1
      Duck and what? On Dalia, too, is full of compromising Internet, but she does not blow a mustache!