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Craiova Army in Belarusian Polesie. Gang "Basti". Part II

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Craiova Army in Belarusian Polesie. Gang "Basti". Part II



"Last Captain" or agony and the end of the gang "Basta"

The Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Brest Region made several attempts to destroy the gang "Basta". In addition to an attempt to clean up Brest forests in June 1945, the second sweep was performed on 1-4 in September 1946 year, after a major raid by AK fighters at the end of last month.

A whole regiment of internal troops numbering about 2300 fighters was thrown at this operation. Parts of the fighters were thrown into the area of ​​the villages of Cherni, Zelenets, Zditovo, Telma and Ivakhnovichi. There was a sweep of the forest around these villages, as well as some of the other nearby settlements. The ringleaders of the gang, Captain Treplinsky, Lieutenant Fedinsky and Lieutenant Rusovsky, could not be captured and smashed by their troops, but this sweep caused significant damage to the AK formations in these areas. In particular, the large dancers of Sergeant Chesakovsky (“Brother”) and the cornet Gushchinsky, together with their leaders, were eliminated. In total, during the stripping operation, 104 of the AK gangster was destroyed and 29 captured. 64 rifles, 57 submachine guns, 13 machine guns, 4 pistols, 40 grenades and 3 radio communications were seized from the bandits. An 34 bandit and AK agent was also identified and arrested. On the part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the losses amounted to 31 killed and 7 injured.

“Basta” finally refuses such large attacks, which he made in August 1946 of the year. Now he orders his akhovtsam to make small sabotage and engage in battle only in the event of an attack.

In particular, from the end of 1946 onwards, manifestations of ordinary, non-political, banditry on the part of AK troops begin to take place. So, 20-28 December 1946 of the year, before the start of the New Year holidays, in the territory of Brest and Zhabinka districts, X-NUMX structures bypassing the AK made a massive robbery of stores. In particular, the robberies were committed in Thelmach, Zhabinka, Yamno, Chernavchitsy and other villages. Brought almost all products, especially alcohol, and money. Moreover, it is surprising that part of the loot was handed out to the villagers, especially the poor. So they tried to attract more simple people to their side.

From 1947, the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is no longer trying to simply destroy this AK structure, but to behead it, to eliminate the leaders of this gang. This year there were two attempts to seize the "Bast". But he was extremely cunning and cautious, so it was not an easy task. He was an experienced warrior, had experience in service before the war in the Polish army and had experience during the Great Patriotic War, serving as a commissioner for one of the commanders of the Polesia region AK. Therefore, he knew well many of the methods for capturing the commanding personnel of the formations and, apparently, he even worked out a scheme in advance how he would act in a given situation.

In March, 1947, the year they tried to grab him at a meeting in which four agents of the Ministry of Internal Affairs would be disguised as AK militants and, according to legend, would be sent from Lieutenant Viktor. “Basta” sensed something wrong right away, and so he sent his assistant and another militant to a direct meeting with imaginary envoys, but he disappeared next to the meeting place and waited for them to meet. When the agents of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the two men met, the first immediately began to threaten them. weapons and demand surrender, but it was not there - after a moment they were surrounded by a whole platoon of AK. These four were found dead a week later at the edge of the forest.

In general, the operation against the gang leader was difficult enough. The "Basta", among the local population, had a whole network of connected. And it was mostly young women, as they cause less suspicion. Almost all of them were also his mistresses. For a certain time, they collected various information from where they could get and hear. When he visited them, they laid out to him the whole situation and situation, in connection with which he thought how to proceed further and where to be more careful.

At one time it seemed to the Chekists that there was nothing left to do, how to create their own network of agents in the villages and identify those very “fighting friends” of his, through whom, in turn, he could be caught. But it was also an unsuccessful step - the same coherent "Bastes" in a flash found out about the agents, as they were always very attentive.

Here's a story about an attempt to detain the gang leader in Zalesye in July 1947, told to us by the former liaison "Basta" Niksic J., who was condemned to 10 years for having connected with the gang:

“Since youth, Treplinsky knew. So, we talked at one time ... Well, he somehow found me and we had a connection with him. I fed him, washed at me, stayed with me for a week.

Well, many here knew about it that I am connected to the Home Army. Well, I knew about many here ... And when he visited me in the summer, 1947 in June, I learned that our neighbor lived through my house and contacted the Bolsheviks. I personally saw him accompanying the security officers. Well, I told Dana. I didn’t sleep at night, I went around the house, I looked through the windows ... And on the second night, he wakes me up and says: "Wake up, they arrange a red raid!".

I run up to the window and yes - the car with the security officers on the path stopped, about fifty meters from the house. Well, here he pulled his pants, put on his boots, threw his jacket on his shoulders, put on a slingshot, threw up his machine gun ... He smacked my cheek and flew out the window, sighed towards the forest. And in a minute the security officers broke in - and the trace of him was gone! ...

I loved and love my Motherland! For them, this gang was, and for us - the Craiova Army, which defended our native Poland and the Christian faith! What am I ashamed of? And you know a lot about him? ... "

But, in general, the activity of the AK in the Brest region has subsided and weakened. Already there were no large blasts and arson on the part of the akhovtsev. Just banal causeless murders of the Red Army soldiers, police officers and activists. For example, in the same Zalesye, on the night of June 23 1947, after a raid on the leader of the gang, on suspicion of collaboration with the Soviet authorities, 5 people were killed. Or in the village of Wielun 8 in November of the same year, Lieutenant of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Zavernyaev M. and two more employees were killed.

And at the same time he began to strike blow after blow to the structures of the Polish underground in those areas. So, in 2 in December 1947, near the village of Nagorany, was destroyed along with the leader one of the large dancers of the Zhabinsk department of 47 of the Brest Bypass of AK under the command of Second Lieutenant Dimitri Samarsky (“Samara”). His gang was involved in the murder in the 4 village of the Ministry of Internal Affairs staff and the massacre of the local Ukrainian population. From 23 the thugs were killed 17 and 6 taken prisoner. 15 machine guns, 8 rifles, 2 pistols and 4 grenades were captured. During the operation, an 3 Interior Ministry officer was killed and 5 was injured.

The brutal massacre of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was an ordinary matter of akovets, especially during the years of agony of the Home Army in Western Belarus. Here is the testimony of a member of the gang "Basta", the senior private AK Denis Shchevelskogo, who was captured in May 1948, and also received 10 years of camps:

“In the summer of Craiova, I joined 1945 in the summer, in 19 years. I was called there by the captain himself, the commandant of the bypass. In the department of the captain "Basta" I was a machine gunner. Usually I stood on the line when we went to the action. He also took me with him as a guard, and ordered me to shoot groups of several people a couple of times. Well, there were Red Army men, activists, Ukrainians ... He gave me the rank of senior soldier in 1946 for good service.

Once a week, mostly on weekends, he sent us home in the morning until the evening. We ate, bathed, saw our relatives. Well, we 2 May went to our native village Yamno, which was not far from our then deployment. Gusinsky, Andreev and Vednevsky were also with me. One acquaintance runs up to us, from where not to take it, and says that the security officers came to the mother of Gusinsky.

We neatly crawled to his house and yes: on the threshold his mother and two security officers stood interrogating her. One officer with a notebook, another soldier young with a papeshka. Well, we surrounded them and ordered to raise our hands up, and Gusinsky's mother ran off to the house. We took them to the forest and killed them there. We didn’t want to shoot: it’s pathetic, and the shots can be heard.

On Saturday, May 8, Mr. Pan Captain let us go again until the evening to go home. We went to Yamno again, but instead of Vednevsky, we had Frost and Zabotinsky with us ... We then, after killing those two, told him everything, and he did not recommend us not to go to Yamno for two weeks, but did not forbid it. I wanted to eat ...

Once we entered the village - there was no one, oddly enough ... And suddenly a shot from somewhere and in an instant squinted Gusinsky. He was killed ... We soon realized that we were surrounded and, shooting back, ran back to the forest. Zabotinsky and Vednevsky ran away, but I decided to stop the security officers and tried to mow out with a machine gun. Well, I then quickly got up and started to catch up with them, when suddenly I fell from the pain. My legs were shot and I lost consciousness because of the pain ... Well, you picked me up.

... Frost did not run away with those two. And did not die. He put his carbine on the ground and raised his hands up. ”

The mentioned gangster “Frost”, who surrendered, is a certain Morozich S. He laid down his arms and decided to cooperate with the authorities. He even gave the location of the headquarters of the captain "Basta" and 14 on May to the leader of the gang decided to conduct a raid, but the gangsters and the leader at that place was not. And on May 21, Morozic S. was found killed in his apartment in Brest. The gang got him even in the city.

The liquidation of the Polish armed forces in Western Belarus, including in Polesie, continued in the meantime. In 19 in February 1948, the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the village of Karabani crushed the dance “Pitcher”, which consisted of 11 militants. 8 was killed and captured by the 3 akovets. 1 was killed by the Interior Ministry and an 2 employee was injured. 5 machine guns, 6 rifles, 1 pistol and 2 grenades are captured.

2 August 1948, near Yamno, the Rudika dancer, consisting of 17 militants, whose leader was deputy commandant of 47 bypassing AK Captain Basty, was eliminated. 10 was killed, including the leader, captured by the 7 akhovtsev. 11 machine guns, 5 rifles, 1 machine gun, 3 pistol, 5 grenades and one radio communication device were seized. 2 and 4 were injured by the Interior Ministry.

October 26 1948, an attempt was made to eliminate the leader of the Zhabinka department 47 of the Brest bypass of AK AK of lieutenant "Victor", together with his gang, consisting approximately of 30 fighters. The forest area near the village of Putischa in the Zhabinka district was combed. Police officers stumbled upon this gang and surrounded her. The leader of this gang and about 10 akovtsev escaped from the environment and fled. 14 militants were killed and 2 captured. 10 machine guns, 3 carbines, 2 machine guns, 3 pistols, 10 grenades and one radio communication device were seized. On the part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, losses amounted to 5 killed and 11 injured.



The conspiratorial network of the Home Army also suffered. During the 1948 year, 57 bandit landlords were arrested in the Brest and Zhabinsk districts of the Brest region.

By 1949, it became clear that there would be no Third World War, on which the entire anti-Soviet underground was counting. It became clear for the militants of the Home Army, including the militants of the gang "Basta". However, they all understood: outside the forest, only 10 years of camps in Siberia are waiting for them, at best. They had no choice, and they decided to wage their senseless "struggle for the Polish Fatherland" to the end.

And somehow the captain Treplinsky, the leader of this gang, decided to return at least to semi-civilian life. He arranged his private life in a peculiar way ... The fact is that he had a beloved from school - the same girl to whom he molested, and about which Andrei Kireev spoke in an interview.

And so, citizen Yulia Lapinskaya (and this is her maiden name, in marriage as her name was not mentioned) in the middle of 1948, she returned to Yamno. This was reported to the captain by the commandant of the local “Rudik” dancer to the captain. In general, Mr. Treplinsky took and killed her husband, plus his comrade Lieutenant Fedinsky “helped” him in the Zhabinka district, whose gang made his way into Zhabinka and killed the parents of her husband and completely “cleaned” his apartment. And the main character of our article on Christmas 1949 was married to her in a small Orthodox church (recall that many Poles are Orthodox in Polesye), because, for obvious reasons, he could not enter into an official marriage.

Now he was, so to speak, a family man. Although Pan Treplinsky spent most of his time at home with his Julia, who brought him his son Stephen in October of the same year (he still lives and lives in Poland in the city of Lodz, got children and grandchildren), but about his “holy cause of the struggle for Poland He did not forget. According to the memoirs of his former fighters, he once a week went to the forest where the construction took place, he examined them, and distributed orders to his other subordinate commanders. In place of his deputy, he put one of his childhood friends, the commander of one of the dancers, Second Lieutenant Sergei Krupsky (“Gray”).

The “gray” often visited him home, where the pan captain continued to give his instructions and instructions for eliminating the “enemies of the Fatherland”. Once a month, Lieutenant Rusowski and Fedinsky also visited him, as it were, they conducted gatherings of the command of the circuit, where they resolved questions about the future "activities" of the former Home Army, whose commanders in these areas they considered themselves to be.

At the beginning of the 1949 of the year, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and seized records of field commanders of bandit groups, the 47 structure of the Brest bypass of AK, deployed in forests and rural areas in Brest and Zhabinkovskiy districts, accounted for slightly more than 220 militants. The activity of the Polish armed forces in general was declining.

Still, the killing of police officers and activists continued. For example, 15 in March 1949 of the year in Berdichi, Brest district, killed activist Kuzina A. among them was Chistyakovsky A., an active participant in the fight against armed gangs. In all, during 7 a year, 9 people were killed in the Brest and Zhabinka districts, of which 1949 were police officers.

There were banal robberies by akovets. Especially distinguished in this department is Lieutenant Rusovsky. During 3-8 in May 1949, his gang robbed stores in Pokhry, Skoldychy and Kholmichi, in the territory of Brest region. 23 November they also robbed two stores in Chernavchitsy.

And after this action, the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs went on the trail of Lieutenant Rusovskiy - a new headquarters of his department was revealed. December 5 1949, three companies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were sent to the village of Chernavchitsy with an approximate total number of 400 people. The detachment broke into three parts and began to comb the forest near the villages of Nesvilo, Zelenets and Pokry.

During the sweep, on December 6, the headquarters of the leader of the Chernavchitsky department of 47 bypassing the AK of Lieutenant Rusovsky, consisting of 18 people, was surrounded and liquidated. He and another 11 militants were killed, the remaining 7 captured. Total 5-8 December 42 was killed by AK militants and captured by 11. The rest, presumably about 30 militants, disappeared. 27 machine guns, 18 rifles, 8 machine guns, 9 pistols, 36 grenades and 2 radio communications were captured. Valuable documentation was withdrawn from the murdered Rusovskiy, where there were various maps, instructions from the captain “Basta”, diaries about the activities of the department, etc. MIA fighters lost 19 people killed and 15 was injured. And yet, the gang "Basta" was again hit hard.

In general, at the beginning of the 1950-s in the territory of Western Belarus, there were no more than 2 thousands of militants of the former Home Army. By that time, larger gangs in the Grodno region were also eliminated, for example, the Olekh gang (commander - Second Lieutenant AK Anatoly Radzivonik). And, basically, the structures continued to operate on the territories bordering with Poland and Lithuania, the districts of the Grodno region. By that time, the gang of “Basta” was the last AK structure in the Brest region, if not in the whole of Western Belarus as a whole. In the same Grodno region, much more numerous militant groups were not so organized.

In general, the existence of these units was already the most real agony of the Home Army. The last major action that the gang "Basta" made was 12-14 March 1950, before the upcoming elections of people's deputies of the USSR. Akovtsy personally under the command of the captain "Basta" blew up an electoral precinct in Thelmach and shot two policemen and one activist near the building. The same with the electoral districts was done by detachments of second lieutenant "Gray" in the villages of Cherni and Zaberezye, and the detachment of lieutenant "Victor" in Zhabinka. In total, in those days, on the territory of the Brest and Zhabinsk districts, 5 militiamen and 4 activists were killed.

In total for 1950 a year in those areas, 17 militiamen and 9 activists were killed at the hands of akhovtsevs. There were also numerous raids on shops and general stores in the villages of Thelma, Cherni, Zhabinka, Yamno, and some other settlements.

The Craiova army then suffered losses not only because of the constant raids by the Interior Ministry. In those years, many were finally convinced that the Soviet government was rooted in these places in earnest and for a long time, so it makes no sense to fight. Many militants simply ran away: either they surrendered to the authorities, or fled to Poland, where they were treated much more condescendingly. Thus, according to the Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Brest Region, in 1950, in the Brest and Zhabinka districts, an AK militant 52 confessed.

But to those who remained in the woods, especially the AK officers, the measures were merciless. 10-13 December 1950, the four companies of the Interior Ministry conducted another sweep in the forests of the Zhabinka district. At the village of Pshenai, December 12, three companies stumbled upon the headquarters of Lieutenant Viktor, the commander of the Zhabinka department of 47 of the AK Brest bypass.

For three hours there was a battle, and only the leader Fedinsky himself remained from the squadron. He barricaded himself in one barn and fired back for another half an hour. When the cartridges ran out, he set fire to the shed and burned there. In all these days, from around 70 militants of Fedinsky, 31 was killed and captured by 25. About 20 aktovtsev disappeared. 38 machine guns, 11 rifles, 7 machine guns, 9 pistols, 20 grenades and one radio communications device were captured. Like Rusovsky, under Fedinsky, there were also documents about the activities of the bandit underground, instructions, lists, etc. MIA losses: 16 killed and 19 injured.

The remains stretched to the detachment of the captain "Basta" and waited for his further decision. In early January, 1951, on one of the forest edges, he gathered all his "soldiers". Here is what the summer veteran of the Home Army, Oleg Mastiugich, who joined the AK in 1992 years, told us in 61, 16:

“The captain gathered all of us ... At that time, no more than 80 people were left. For a long time we didn’t have such meetings ... Once again we were in a big formation, the captain in front of us in his battered uniform and a sheepskin coat on one shoulder stood on stump ...

The priest read a prayer about the dead of our soldiers. And then the captain said: “Who is younger than 22 years, step forward, march step!” About twenty people came out. In general, there were some young ones ... I was the youngest. Mostly there are longtime warriors from the year 1946, although there were some with 1945, but only a few. Here ... And he ordered us to fail and pile up with the right to crowd. And then he sighed ... I thought ... And he said at all: "Who is tired of fighting, step forward, march step!" Everyone looked at each other like that ... No one came out.

The captain went through these four rows ... A dozen guys were still taken away and put out of action ... Young ones, too, were wounded ... Then he stood in front of us and said: “The war is over. You fought like eagles. But there are very few of us left, and Poland is now finally in the hands of the enemy. We, such a handful, will not do anything. You young guys that brought you out: live, have wives, give birth to new generations of Poles. You have fulfilled your duty to the Fatherland! I, and those who stayed, will wait for spring. There I will decide further on the situation, what to do next. ”

He announced the dissolution of the bypass. We, demobilized, he advised to break through to Poland. He said that there it would be safer for us, despite the pro-Soviet government. As far as I know, he and the rest of the group also wanted to break into the spring there ... "

The remnants of the fighters "Basta" divided into small groups, which left under the supervision of Second Lieutenant "Gray." At the beginning of 1951, no more than 40 AK fighters from the gang "Basta" remained in the Brest region.

However, “Gray” was killed next month, February 8 1951. He, along with a group of 6 gangsters, was discovered by police in the village of Wielun. All 7 were killed. Withdrawn 6 machine guns, 1 rifle, 1 gun. During the battle, gangsters used a grenade. The "Gray" was also captured documentation. On the part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there were 3 wounded.

In February and early March, 1951 of the year in the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Thelmakh, Chernyakh and Yamno came to confess all 17 akhovtsev. Part, unbeknownst to "Basta", broke through to Poland.

And 11 March 1951, the Interior Ministry officers went on the trail “Basta”: near the small village of Lidymo, a group of akhovtsevs was found along with captain Treplinsky, consisting of 13 fighters. A fierce battle ensued. Against this bunch of thugs, there were about 100 policemen. During the battle, the bandits set fire to one house and used two grenades. The akhovtsev 6 was killed, the rest of the 7 disappeared, but 4 from the bottom two days later returned to the station in Černyi. Among the runaways was "Basta". A total of 3 were killed by the Interior Ministry and 5 was injured.

According to the testimony of one surrendered akovets, one of those hiding during the raids, Captain Treplinsky ordered the remaining fighters to flee to Poland. According to his statements, the commandant of the dismissed bypass was also going to flee there.

Informers from the village of Yamno confirmed - Treplinsky was there one night, visited his wife Yulia. But then he disappeared again.

And so, perhaps, “Basta” would have escaped, but now he did not let himself down, which he rarely did, but his wife. Many saw how she often headed towards the village of Shebrin, but did not go into the village itself, but into its vicinity. And indeed: there, in a clearing, there was a small abandoned house, in which, as investigators had guessed, Basta was temporarily hiding.

17 March Lapinskaya went to visit her husband again. But behind her was an agent. So he got to Shebrin, where there was already a truck with 30 operatives led by captain MVD Kuzin. When she entered that house, he signaled and the building was surrounded. The order sounded: "Surrender!". However, for the place of any words, two muzzles of the PCA came out of the window and the window in the attic. Treplinsky and his wife opened fire on the operatives. From the attic in them was launched a grenade. Here is what the captain of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Kuzin himself later told:

“Shooting subsided, then again opened. And everything seemed to be quiet out of the lower window, but after a while the shooting continued again. One of our people got up and with a machine gun walked along the bottom of the house and hit the window. Shooting stopped there, and later subsided in the attic.

We began to approach the house, when Treplinsky suddenly flew out of there and, after shooting at us from the machine gun, ran towards the forest. We follow him. He turned to us, pulled out a pistol, and fired a couple of bullets, killing one of ours. And only he turned and ran, as a whole line flew into his back. He groaned loudly and coughed. He fell near a tree, a couple of times he shot at us again, and then he crossed himself and put a bullet in his temple.

Only two of ours they killed. Also a couple of people contused and a single bullet in the shoulder stung. "

AK captain Daniel Treplinsky "Basta" was liquidated together with his wife 17 March 1951. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Internal Affairs applied force a couple of times. March 20 near the village of Kleiniki, when 4 akovtsev from the gang "Basta" tried to cross the border and go to Poland, but they, without any resistance, surrendered to the police. Well, April 11 near the village of Cherni killed the last AK fighter in Polesye - a single terrorist Daniil Dubrovny, who was hiding with his PPS-42 submachine gun and managed to make a couple of raids on shops in Chernyakh and Zalesye.

So, in April 1951 of the year, the last structure of the Home Army - 47 Brest bypass or the Eastern Coast connection finally ceased to exist. Also the gang "Basta" was the last formation of this militarized organization in Polesie. In the general certificate of the department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Brest region about this gang it says:

"Participants of the gang" Basta "in the period from January 1945 to April 1951, on the territory of the Brest and Zhabinskovsky districts of the Brest region of the BSSR, 126 sabotage and terrorist acts were committed: attacks on military units and individual military personnel of the SA, employees and parts of the Interior Ministry and the NKVD, reprisals against activists and ordinary civilians. There have been numerous robberies of shops and general store.

In total, as a result of operations to eliminate this AK formation, for a specified period of time, 229 thugs were killed in these areas and 103 was captured. 78 gangsters confessed and went missing around 70. Arrested 88 bandit supporters.

In total, during operations against bandits and sabotage and terrorist attacks, 177 soldiers of the SA, the Interior Ministry and NKVD officers were killed, 54 was injured and 17 went missing. The victims of the bandits were 63 civilians. 34 has been damaged by farms, many of the houses have been burned to the ground. Damage of approximately 15 thousand rubles was damaged. ”

With the Home Army in Polesia was finally over. However, even after 1951, small AK gangs operated in the Grodno region: Arkan, Senki, Byrzhis, Grazhoulis and some others. However, by 1953, they were all destroyed. And the last AK terrorist, Vaclav Ozim, was liquidated in Lida 26 on April 1954.

The uncompromising struggle in Western Belarus went from 1944 to 1954 - long 10 years. Of the approximately 11 thousands of militants of the Polish Home Army in those years, about 4 thousands were liquidated, according to various sources, the rest were sentenced to different terms of imprisonment or amnesty. Although in addition to the AK, other formations operated in the Byelorussian SSR: Belarusian, Jewish and Lithuanian. The total number of the anti-Soviet underground in the BSSR reached approximately 30 thousand.

Soviet troops, the Interior Ministry and the NKVD, according to various sources, in those years in the territory of Western Belarus, thousands of their fighters and employees lost approximately 1,5-3. About 2 thousands of civilians became victims of bandit underground and about 80 thousands, mostly members of the families of bandits and their accomplices, were expelled by the Soviet authorities from the territory of the BSSR.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 7 February 2016 06: 58
    -1
    Straight heroic opus about bandits, minus set
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 7 February 2016 08: 53
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      1. The article is written in a language similar to Russian, but not exactly Russian. A Russian person will not confuse the meanings of words, for example, past and previous. Or whatever you like: "Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs AND(!) NKVD "?

      2. The authors, apparently, believe that their stuffing will look more reliable if they pass themselves off as scientists. However, scientists know what an assessment of the reliability and criticism of sources is. And especially the citation rules. In this sense, the author's reference to the mythical "1921 census" in the comments to the previous part looks especially enchanting. Or the identification of Rusyns and Ukrainians. After Talerhof and Terezin, we know who the Rusyns are and what “Ukrainians” are, and what is the difference. Or the exaggeration of the words "Orthodox Poles". Even after the war, Stalin left Poland an entire Orthodox region - Kholmskaya. Are they Poles? - without even touching on the history of the issue.
      I think it is appropriate to remind that after the war Galicia was also divided. It was inhabited by Uniates. But in the "Zakerzon" half, inherited by Poland, under the pretext of Debanderization by a country with "European values" - Poland, an ethnic cleansing was carried out - Operation Vistula. The Ukrainian and Ruthenian population was deported to the vast German lands donated by Stalin to Poland (from where the Germans themselves were previously deported). Those who resisted were destroyed. Part of the Zakerzonian Ukrainians were transported and settled in the territory of the Russian Slobozhanshchina - Kharkov and Sumy regions. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the presence of such a bloodthirsty cattle in them at the present time. The fact that half of Galicia was left without Galicians and will never be Galicia is the only significant result of the activities of the "hero of Ukraine" Stepan Bandera.

      3. We all know that the NKVD was abolished on 26.08.1946/1947/XNUMX. And in this opus "agents of the NKVD" operate in XNUMX, etc. Just like in the primitive propaganda leaflets designed to fool Ukrainians, written somewhere near Washington. But the brains of Ukrainian schoolchildren have been previously scraped out by Svidomo educated people, and you can pour anything into it.

      It seems that the State Department's propagandists began to beat Belarus with stupid lies in order to destroy it as well as Ukraine. Well, how did they start. The State Department's "works" that Belarusians are not Slavs, but Balts, etc., were written long ago. Began the next stage of aggressive massive zombies.
      1. Olga Zaitseva
        7 February 2016 10: 25
        +9
        Nikolay, for pointing out such shameful mistakes - thank you so much! The article was drafted for a very long time, and when I decided to publish it, I corrected only the spelling and some other additions. Sketches were made in a hurry, hence such terrible mistakes about the NKVD in 1947 smile . So thank you again! You are even another example that each author, especially such material, needs readers.
        About Orthodox Poles - see the comments in the first part of the article. There was a very large and interesting discussion about this.
        As for the term "Rusyn" - it was also used by Polish nationalists, and propagandized, in particular, in the Home Army in relation to Belarusians and Ukrainians, especially loyal to Poland. In particular, the Belarusians were called "Rusyns" in the documents of that very Brest bypass of the AK.
        And why are "Ukrainian propaganda" and "State Department" all at once? Rather, on the contrary, condemnation of the activities of these formations.
        1. KLV
          KLV 7 February 2016 12: 22
          +3
          Olga, here you are talking about a very long time, haste, etc. Have you been forced to place this material at gunpoint?
          Reread your creation:
          1. In addition to the attempt to clean up the Brest forests in June 1945, a second cleaning was carried out on September 1-4, 1946, after a large sortie by AK militants at the end of last month.
          2. "Basta" finally refuses such large sorties, which he made in August 1946.
          3. In particular, from the end of 1946, manifestations of ordinary, non-political, banditry begin to take place ...
          etc.
          Further reading is simply unbearable. Is Russian not your native language? Why such disrespect for the members of the forum?
          Maybe I’ll gather my courage and still read it, clenching my teeth ...
      2. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 11: 56
        +9
        Nikolay writes:
        “It seems that the State Department propagandists began to hammer Belarus with stupid lies in order to destroy it as well as Ukraine. Well, how they started. The State Department's“ works ”that Belarusians are not Slavs, but Balts, etc., were written long ago. The next stage of aggressive massive zombies. "

        It's not about balts. For example, the yatvyag lived on the territory of Western Belarus, and their burial grounds are still found there. And when I come home, I bathe in the river near the village of Yatvez. But the emphasis is not on these yatvyag coupled with the Dregovichi.

        Nationalist propaganda in Belarus manifested itself in the early 90s. Then Lukashenko covered her up. Its main areas then were:
        1. Present Belarus is the direct successor and heiress of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (immediately territorial issues arise for neighbors);
        2.Modern Belarusians were identified with the inhabitants of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania as the Litvins, as their direct descendants and heirs (I remember the postage stamps with images of the "great Belarusians" Vitovt and Gedimin);
        3. Independent Belarusian People’s Republic (1918. That it was not clear, but freedom and independence were taken away from Belarusians).

        Nowadays, everything is again the same as in the 90s. The State Department and grandfather Soros and Co. are working. But! Looking into bookstores I see well-designed books of nationalist content, where the topic of Belarusian collaborationism during the Second World War is discussed. And there the traitors and their activities are described from the angle that they found themselves "between two fires" (Stalin and Hitler) and still fought for independent Belarus in this difficult situation for them.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 7 February 2016 22: 37
          +2
          Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
          At present, the same thing has appeared again as in the 90s. The State Department and Grandfather Soros and Co. are working.

          They will only rejoice when the SLAVES begin to curse with each other!
      3. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 7 February 2016 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        I think it is appropriate to recall that after the war Galicia was also divided. It was inhabited by Uniates. But in the "Zakerzon" half, inherited by Poland, under the pretext of Debanderization by a country with "European values" - Poland, an ethnic cleansing was carried out - Operation Vistula.

        Such a "reminder" will definitely not be appropriate here. The "Curzon Line" arose on December 8, 1919, which was a recommendation by the Supreme Council of the Entente as the eastern border of Poland, and we can safely say that on the same day, December 8, 1919, the concept of Zakarzonye.
        Poland for the entire interwar period has never recognized this line because of its "inconsistency" with the borders of Poland in 1772. So here it is more likely not Stalin, but Lenin who gave in Riga to Kholmshish and Podlasie Poles. The line, of course, is artificial, built on the ethnic residence of Belarusians and Ukrainians, who were deported in those places both voluntarily and forcibly by the tsarist regime during the First World War. Poland got from Stalin Dockersonier, that is, to the east of the Curzon line, and as we also know with the Department of Ukrainians, but Poland as far as I know Poland, for example, did not deport Poland from the Vistula operation from Northern Podlasie, considering them loyal to Poland and who did not suit the massacre of the Polish population.
        In the entire history of the Second World War, only one UPA detachment went there, but without receiving support from the population, it left without conducting more than one punitive raid.
      4. tol100v
        tol100v 7 February 2016 22: 29
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        It looks like the State Department propagandists have begun

        The State Department simply forgot, or maybe didn’t know where he was stuck ?!
  2. Koshak
    Koshak 7 February 2016 07: 07
    +6
    Gangster essence can not be covered by any slogans.
  3. Victor jnnjdfy
    Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 07: 56
    -3
    Not quite on the topic, but a smart one will understand why I wrote this. Recently, at the jubilee, two sisters-teachers (aged 50-60) recalled their childhood in a village in the Grodno region, and their grandmother, an ordinary peasant toiler. When the sisters, as children, did something bad, their grandmother told them: "If you behave this way, grow up to be Bolsheviks!" The family is local ...
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 12: 54
      +3
      Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
      Not quite on the topic, but a smart one will understand why I wrote this. Recently, at the jubilee, two sisters-teachers (aged 50-60) recalled their childhood in a village in the Grodno region, and their grandmother, an ordinary peasant toiler. When the sisters, as children, did something bad, their grandmother told them: "If you behave this way, grow up to be Bolsheviks!" The family is local ...

      Will you post any stupidity of your grandmother here now?
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 7 February 2016 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
      Not quite on the topic, but a smart one will understand why I wrote this. Recently, at the jubilee, two sisters-teachers (aged 50-60) recalled their childhood in a village in the Grodno region, and their grandmother, an ordinary peasant toiler. When the sisters, as children, did something bad, their grandmother told them: "If you behave this way, grow up to be Bolsheviks!" The family is local ...

      These two sisters will soon say: Ah., Where are these Bolsheviks, where are rations and free lesbianism!
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 7 February 2016 08: 10
    +7
    There were also banal robberies by Akovtsy...So all activity, after the liberation of Belarus ... commonplace killings .. on the part of the Akovtsy .. And this is at that time when the majority of honest Poles, shoulder to shoulder with the Red Army fought against Nazism ...
  5. Alez
    Alez 7 February 2016 09: 15
    13
    Surprising is the humanity of the verdicts; a member of the gangs that killed civilians was given 10 years of camp by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Naturally, they later returned to their homeland and for the rest of their lives sabotaged and hated Soviet power. But the political ones were given 25 years.
    1. Walking
      Walking 8 February 2016 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Alez
      Surprising is the humanity of the verdicts; a member of the gangs that killed civilians was given 10 years of camp by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Naturally, they later returned to their homeland and for the rest of their lives sabotaged and hated Soviet power.


      That's right, and after that we have modern Ukraine and disadvantages in the Baltic states. Stalin was soft to such nonhumans
  6. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 10: 39
    +1
    I don’t understand why Medinsky, when a Polish journalist told him that they killed her grandfather who fought in the AK, did not answer, “but your grandfather killed children and women”.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2016 10: 59
    +4
    A cruel age, cruel hearts ... The war was going seriously, and the Poles of Western Belarus considered themselves patriots, although they turned into ordinary bandits. They stayed for a long time, the local population fed them.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 12: 37
      -7
      What a bad local population. Bandits fed, you know.
      For example, they’ll come to your home and take for example a brother. Then they confiscate the house, and you will be deprived of all rights, simply because you are a fist and you have a horse. Of course, this is an amazingly fair policy.
      Of course you can wipe yourself.
      Only not everyone was like that. Someone did not go to the wipers but to the forest.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 7 February 2016 13: 03
        +8
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        What a bad local population. Bandits fed, you know.
        For example, they’ll come to your home and take for example a brother. Then they confiscate the house, and you will be deprived of all rights, simply because you are a fist and you have a horse. Of course, this is an amazingly fair policy.
        Of course you can wipe yourself.
        Only not everyone was like that. Someone did not go to the wipers but to the forest.

        Properly tryndit, went into the woods, kill people, rob shops .... these are your heroes.)))
        1. Rivares
          Rivares 7 February 2016 15: 31
          -4
          Quote: Your friend
          Properly tryndit, went into the woods, kill people, rob shops .... these are your heroes.)))

          Of course, the communist heroes were different! from 1900 to 1917, they did not wander in the woods, but studied in schools (camps) how to fight the capitalists (with the money of the same capitalists, Shifa, for example) in Russia, simultaneously robbing banks and shops in the Russian Empire and dumping the loot back to the "schools" ... Well, let alone the classic "Lenin in the hut" and the hut in the forest, everyone has thoroughly forgotten ...
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 7 February 2016 17: 51
            -1
            Quote: Rivares
            Quote: Your friend
            Properly tryndit, went into the woods, kill people, rob shops .... these are your heroes.)))

            Of course, the communist heroes were different! from 1900 to 1917, they did not wander in the woods, but studied in schools (camps) how to fight the capitalists (with the money of the same capitalists, Shifa, for example) in Russia, simultaneously robbing banks and shops in the Russian Empire and dumping the loot back to the "schools" ... Well, let alone the classic "Lenin in the hut" and the hut in the forest, everyone has thoroughly forgotten ...

            Ai-ai, how are you on the Communists ...))) They, that they insulted you with bad words in childhood? Byad ...
            1. Rivares
              Rivares 10 February 2016 01: 05
              +2
              Quote: Your friend
              Ai-ai, how are you on the Communists ...))) They, that they insulted you with bad words in childhood? Byad ...

              They asked themselves, they answered ... it's really byad. Is that what I described is not true ???
  8. L42
    L42 7 February 2016 11: 58
    +3
    "Other formations acted in the Byelorussian SSR: Belarusian, Jewish and Lithuanian."
    I've never heard of Jewish gangs. Are criminals meant? Can someone tell me what is meant?
    1. Waciak
      Waciak 7 February 2016 14: 33
      0
      Daniel Craig, known at least as the current James Bond. "Resistance" ("Defiance") tells the story of a Jewish partisan detachment under Tuvego Belsky's dovudtsvam, who has to fight the Nazis.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 7 February 2016 12: 04
    +9
    I had a subordinate plant in Brest and Grodno "Plant of autoradio tape recorders" (director Baluev V.S.). On my recommendation, he was transferred from Brest to Grodno. There was a sensible director. At the plant it was necessary to master the defendants of the State Recognition system. The task was completed. The plant expanded, I even transferred to the plant, as a subsidiary farm, a collective farm in the village of Bershty through the Government. A container shop was created there. They built houses, paved roads. They built a school and a cultural center. The village and the pioneer camp were made exemplary.
    But I did not hear anything about the Craiova Army in these areas. The population was wonderful, but there were many Poles. But then we were all together. I have the honor.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 12: 40
      +5
      "There were only a lot of Poles." Amused.
      Local Poles are no different from local Belarusians. Some local residents were ganged up and catholicized, while others were not. It depended on the degree of piety in the local lord. There is either polonization or Russification ... Now some go to church, and others go to church.

      Mother was assigned in 1961 to work in the Polish village of Velikoye Selo in the Shchuchinsky district of the Grodno region. She had wonderful memories of this village. Local Poles were no different from local Belarusians from a neighboring village. And next was another village where the population spoke exclusively in Polish language. So the Poles there asked for teachers from Poland for their school. 1961 year.
    2. Olga Zaitseva
      7 February 2016 13: 33
      0
      And in what years was it? After 1955, that’s right, because there is no single action movie left from AK in Western Belarus.
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 14: 40
        0
        Olga, after the war, many Poles from the BSSR left for Poland. The opportunity to leave was until 1958. A certain number of Poles, in my opinion, were able to leave for Poland in 1959. Then this shop hid itself.
  10. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 7 February 2016 12: 11
    +5
    I was also surprised by the leniency of the sentences - 10 years for the bandits who fought against the Soviet regime with arms in hand. And we will still be told about the "bloody Stalinist regime".
  11. Litsvin
    Litsvin 7 February 2016 12: 21
    14
    Shanovnaya spadarynya Olga, let me summarize. Your article is certainly good. "Working" in Vladimir the Great, you wrote normally. If you take this topic as a basis, get access to our Belarusian archives, then you can eventually write a PhD in history.
    I will repeat once again what I wrote in the comments to the first part of the article - for us, Belarusians, the Akovites are the same enemies as the Nazis. All this Akow movement is the result of a Wielkopolska chauvinistic upbringing, which resulted in the brainwashed ethnic Poles who, dumbfounded by such figures as Jozef Piłsudski, "fought in hysterics and shouted": "Neh bandze is Polish from Moz to Moz." These are the kicks and got into the AK. And then they committed their atrocities on our, BELARUSIAN land, to which "historical polscha" HAS NO RELATIONSHIP.
    And I, the indigenous Western ethnic Belarus, the Conscientious Officer is just I want to warn the newly minted Polish chauvinists (those who smash the Russian Embassy, ​​who destroy the monuments to the GREAT SOVIET SOLDIER - THE WINNER, who destroyed the monument to General Chernyakhovsky) - DO NOT PLAY WITH FIRE, BO YOU WILL PLAY BEFORE THE FOURTH (WILL FINISH) AND ALL THE ERRORS OF THE 3 PREVIOUS SECTIONS ARE NOT REPEATED, AFTER WHICH "flattered" WILL NOT BE ONCE AND FOREVER. And America is "flattered" to help. Do not carry the "dried up mummy" of Jozef Pilsudski on your hands !!! "Bury" her once and for all !!! And forget about "vskhodni kresy" and "I will flatter you from Moz to Mozha", I am more flattered to be deprived of that sea, which Stalin gave her, out of short-sightedness, in 1945 !!! "
    Our Old Man (President of the Republic Belaurs Lukashenko A. !!! ... "
    Other peoples need to take an example from us, Belarusians, - our love of peace, benevolence and pamyarkounastsi. The words from the song: “We don’t want an inch of someone else’s land, but we won’t give up our own tip either ...” - this is about us, Belarusians, who put EVERY THIRD RESIDENT on the Altar of Victory in the last war !!!
    1. Waciak
      Waciak 7 February 2016 14: 45
      -1
      Litsvin
      I took note of your lecture - I'm going to pray. tongue
  12. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 12: 30
    -3
    The article is interesting.
    In any case, the activities of the Home Army are not covered in any way.
    In fact, it was an echo of the civil war. The Soviet government, having come to the territory of temporarily occupied by pan Poland, did not at all establish relations with the local population, but out of habit, whom they imprisoned because of social origin, who went to the Kolyma camp, and who went to Katyn. Nationalized property. The shops. Small enterprises. Let me remind you that, according to the assumptions of Soviet propagandists, the class struggle is only intensifying. Hence a huge number of dissatisfied. Hence the armed resistance for many years. Without the support of the local peasantry, it would have been impossible to fight in the forests for years (5-7 years) against specialists from state security.
    In Belarus there were many of their collaborators. Tens of thousands served in police and other armed groups. In self-defense. We can safely call the Second World War Second Civil. In the war with the Germans, AK fought well. One story with the abduction of the FAA 2 is worth it.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 13: 05
      +1
      Previously described here the events of 39-41 years. By the way, he grabbed a bunch of minuses from all kinds of cheers and fossil politicians. Some eccentric even wrote me a mail.

      Everything is not quite as you described in your comment, since the population was heterogeneous. For example, local Belarusian youth actively helped evict the families of Polish besiegers.

      Your thoughts are clear to me, but I want to say something else.

      Stalin sent settlers, Polish officials to the East, uprooted foresters ... But when the Nazis arrived, the former Polish officials (whom the Soviets did not get to) practically without exception began to serve the occupation authorities and do their previous work. It turns out that Stalin acted correctly from the point of view of the interests of the USSR during the war, but inhumane towards people who had not committed any crimes at the time of expulsion. And so on many issues.

      From my ancestors, the Soviets took 24 hectares of land and 4 hectares of forest. And all this was earned by the labor of more than one generation. How my grandfather and grandmother treated the Bolsheviks, I think everyone understands.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 7 February 2016 13: 16
        0
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy

        From my ancestors, the Soviets took 24 hectares of land and 4 hectares of forest. And all this was earned by the labor of more than one generation. How my grandfather and grandmother treated the Bolsheviks, I think everyone understands.

        Ahahaha .... of course.))) But what is the work of generations, the main thing is that hectares have been taken - that’s it, that burns the soul.)))
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 14: 22
          -4
          So what? Yield per hectare increased? Maybe a university was built on a collective farm?
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 7 February 2016 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            So what? Yield per hectare increased? Maybe a university was built on a collective farm?

            Listen, stop writing nonsense.)
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 14: 20
        -4
        As for the Polish intelligentsia, the Germans tried to destroy it.
        Many hid the origin and education.
        Stalin’s actions could be justified only if serious military operations were conducted in these territories. But alas. The efforts were in vain. A week later, the Germans were in Minsk. But part of the local population opposed themselves. They gave the Germans a trump card.
  13. Waciak
    Waciak 7 February 2016 13: 50
    -1
    I have to admit that this is a very objective article.
    These people were Polish patriots, but they lost each other in the wars of war and from the patriots they became at times widespread bandits. Their intentions were exalted and in their own way should be understandable. There are also understandable sensations of the opposite side, where people lost their youth, and the whole tragedy is that the war has already ended. These are cases of completely meaningless death and suffering, and then from both sides of the conflict.

    Many thanks for the interesting article. hi
    1. 1rl141
      1rl141 7 February 2016 22: 22
      +4
      Quote: Waciak
      I have to admit that this is a very objective article.
      These people were Polish patriots, but they lost each other in the wars of war and from the patriots they became at times widespread bandits. hi


      These people were Polish bandits and fascist slanderers, but in Poland they will soon be erected monuments as freedom fighters.
  14. Yapet100
    Yapet100 7 February 2016 13: 50
    +7
    Bandits, they are bandits! robberies, murders ....
    The authors of the Russian language do not speak Russian well ...
  15. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 13: 55
    -7
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    What a bad local population. Bandits fed, you know.
    For example, they’ll come to your home and take for example a brother. Then they confiscate the house, and you will be deprived of all rights, simply because you are a fist and you have a horse. Of course, this is an amazingly fair policy.
    Of course you can wipe yourself.
    Only not everyone was like that. Someone did not go to the wipers but to the forest.

    Properly tryndit, went into the woods, kill people, rob shops .... these are your heroes.)))

    Tell me how the Soviet partisans existed. A detachment of 300 people ate two tons of food in a week. Where did they get them? And still there, with the grateful peasantry. Probably the villagers parted with the sausage with tears of affection in their eyes. Or sniffing the barrel of a captured Schmeisser? The Sovinformburo took from the ceiling a figure of a million partisans.
    After the war, people were driven into the woods by the policies of the Soviet government. From the point of view of a modern person, it’s completely wild.
    Stop whitewashing the war, it was terrible and no one stood on ceremony in funds.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 14: 25
      +6
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Quote: Your friend
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      What a bad local population. Bandits fed, you know.
      For example, they’ll come to your home and take for example a brother. Then they confiscate the house, and you will be deprived of all rights, simply because you are a fist and you have a horse. Of course, this is an amazingly fair policy.
      Of course you can wipe yourself.
      Only not everyone was like that. Someone did not go to the wipers but to the forest.

      Properly tryndit, went into the woods, kill people, rob shops .... these are your heroes.)))

      Tell me how the Soviet partisans existed. A detachment of 300 people ate two tons of food in a week. Where did they get them? And still there, with the grateful peasantry. Probably the villagers parted with the sausage with tears of affection in their eyes. Or sniffing the barrel of a captured Schmeisser? The Sovinformburo took from the ceiling a figure of a million partisans.
      After the war, people were driven into the woods by the policies of the Soviet government. From the point of view of a modern person, it’s completely wild.
      Stop whitewashing the war, it was terrible and no one stood on ceremony in funds.

      How about you? All OK?
      So your people from AK go to the forest because they have been deprived of their rights, and these people rob shops, extort food. And these are, in your opinion, brave people - who did not wipe themselves out, did not become janitors.
      So your Soviet partisans are going into the woods, but this is bad, this is Soviet politics, because they are robbing the noble peasantry. And this is bad, absolutely wild.
      Uvas pathological split personality.)))
      Where I whitewashed the war - get my quote. Otherwise, you yap.)
      You took from the ceiling, what the Sovinformburo took from the ceiling is a digital figure of a million partisans.)))
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 18: 11
        -5
        I did not say that the Soviet partisans are bad.
        I said that society was split and each had its own truth.
        Someone fell into the AK-sheep, because he and his family suffered from the arbitrariness of the NKVD, someone became a red partisan, for the very same reason, having suffered from the Germans or Bandera.
        You definitely consider AK - sheep as criminals.
        But no one called the Soviet power to Europe, there were also speeches of the Germans in 53, and the Czech uprising and unrest in Hungary. But you consider all these people to be unambiguously scoundrels, but ours are exclusively heroes, since "our cause is just." So this does not happen. But of course you can't prove anything. You have all the "intrigues of imperialism"
        http://www.snowforum.ru/forums/?action=view&board=history&id=138981 - любой отечественный интернет ресурс даёт цифру количества партизан в 1,1 млн человек. Это данные советских пропагандистов. Вопрос , сколько надо провианта для снабжения такого количества. И где его брали. Или цифра в миллион неверна. Хотя эта цифра из энциклопедии ВОВ стр 530.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 7 February 2016 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          I did not say that the Soviet partisans are bad.

          They also said when they howled that owls. partisans took food from the peasants.)
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          I said that society was split and each had its own truth.
          Someone fell into the AK-sheep, because he and his family suffered from the arbitrariness of the NKVD, someone became a red partisan, for the very same reason, having suffered from the Germans or Bandera.
          You definitely consider AK - sheep as criminals.
          But no one called the Soviet power to Europe, there were also speeches of the Germans in 53, and the Czech uprising and unrest in Hungary. But you consider all these people to be unambiguously scoundrels, but ours are exclusively heroes, since "our cause is just." So this does not happen. But of course you can't prove anything. You have all the "intrigues of imperialism"

          Another delirium. Where did I write about the "machinations of imperialism"? Are you balabolite again?
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          http://www.snowforum.ru/forums/?action=view&board=history&id=138981 - любой отечественный интернет ресурс даёт цифру количества партизан в 1,1 млн человек. Это данные советских пропагандистов. Вопрос , сколько надо провианта для снабжения такого количества. И где его брали. Или цифра в миллион неверна. Хотя эта цифра из энциклопедии ВОВ стр 530.

          Well, of course you have accurate data, you know exactly how many partisans were and how much food was needed for them. Where do experts like you come from?
          It's cool, to give a link to the former forum of the translator of games of paradoxes, this is something, it is clear where you got your "knowledge" from.
          So where is the quote that I whitewash the war? Huh?
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 21: 09
            -4
            You can give any link, it’s the same everywhere.
            The figure of 1,1 million is given in the encyclopedia of the 80s of the publication. Page specified.
            The encyclopedia reprinted this from Soviet sources. From materials of the Sovinformburo.
            During the war, the fabrications of propagandists were justified, but why repeat the nonsense now.
            Your hatred of everything non-communist is obvious. Any non-communist rebel you have a bastard, a villain and a bandit. Another thing is the export of Soviet power to Europe. Here you have a fair and honest war.
            On what basis do you call the soldiers of the Army of the Homeland Bandits?
            They fought with Hitler 2 more years before the start of World War II.
            1. Your friend
              Your friend 7 February 2016 21: 44
              +3
              [quote = Cap.Morgan] Any link can be given, everything is the same everywhere.
              The figure of 1,1 million is given in the encyclopedia of the 80s of the publication. Page specified.
              The encyclopedia reprinted this from Soviet sources. From materials of the Sovinformburo.
              During the war, the fabrications of propagandists were justified, but why repeat the nonsense now. [/ Quote]

              Where is the nonsense? Why are the Sovinformburo materials nonsense? Because you said so? Ahhhh, here it is, if a certain captain Morgan said this, then that's it. Kindergarten.

              [quote = Cap.Morgan] Your hatred of everything non-communist is obvious. Any non-communist rebel you have a bastard, a villain and a bandit. Another thing is the export of Soviet power to Europe. Here you have a fair and honest war. / Quote]

              This is not even funny.
              Where do I hate everything non-communist? Give a quote.
              Where do I love everything communist? Give a quote.
              Where do I have ANY non-communist rebel bastard, villain and bandit? Waiting for my quote.
              Where did I say something about the export of Soviet power? My quote.
              And finally bring my quote finally, where do I whitewash the war?
              Are you able to answer for your words or just ready to attribute to me your crazy inventions?

              [quote = Cap.Morgan] On what basis do you call the soldiers of the Homeland Army bandits?
              They fought with Hitler even 2 years before the start of World War II. [/ Quote]

              Based on the fact that AK in peacetime robbed and killed. (((
              Of course, the fact that AK fought with Hitler 2 years before the Second World War makes AK white and fluffy. You yourself are not funny on the level of your arguments?)))
        2. sibiryouk
          sibiryouk 7 February 2016 20: 23
          +2
          The partisans also did not gobble up, and often starved, but if they didn’t sit in the woods, they would go to Germany for household work-
          an alternative to work hard at home on the Germans!
  16. teacher
    teacher 7 February 2016 14: 12
    +3
    vague doubts torment that at first it was a translation into Polish of some archival documents of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, then the Poles wrote an article, and then the authors clumsily translated it into Russian. In general, yes, the syllable is amusing.
  17. karevik
    karevik 7 February 2016 14: 45
    10
    Recently, our president said that our national idea was patriotism. I support it with three hands, but if we write articles where akovtsy are first patriots of the Pshetsky country, and only when we did not have enough strength we became bandits, then the price is worthless!
    And what about objectivity? If a person with. weapons in his hands, or even without it, such as Kasyanov, is fighting against mine. Countries then
    He is an enemy and a bandit and must be destroyed! The article is harmful, I tell you as a citizen of Russia, and by nationality a Belarusian from the Grodno region! She's like a balm. for the climbers. goofy Belarusian nationalists! Who are their bastards. raised, trained, made of. them people? Soviet country, Soviet Belarus!
  18. ship
    ship 7 February 2016 16: 51
    +3
    One and the same information can be interpreted in any way. So what can you do? Keep your mouth shut in a rag? Wait when "the entire enlightened democratic community" begins to present the bill for the "martyrdom of true patriots"? And in Poland, the destruction of monuments and many things that can be associated with the Soviet Union and Russia is already gaining strength.
    Silence is impossible. The scientific and historical work of Olga Zaitseva and Oleg Kopylov is more than appropriate and timely. Work must continue.
    1. Waciak
      Waciak 7 February 2016 18: 31
      +3
      As for me, I am also outraged by the thoughts of removing the monuments of the Red Army, or at least memoranda of Soviet soldiers who fell in the war with Poland from 1920. All this is unacceptable and in a civilized state such things should not take place.
      Unfortunately, the political alliances and subordination of Poland to the overseas allies cause that public opinion in Poland is stupid. Likewise, it was too much of the time of the Soviet Union - but today's media about several eras is more excellent.

      Therefore, we are forced to somehow get used to this new reality and not take everything directly back.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 7 February 2016 19: 28
        +4
        Quote: Waciak
        As for me, I am also outraged by the thoughts of removing the monuments of the Red Army, or at least memoranda of Soviet soldiers who fell in the war with Poland from 1920. All this is unacceptable and in a civilized state such things should not take place.
        Unfortunately, the political alliances and subordination of Poland to the overseas allies cause that public opinion in Poland is stupid. Likewise, it was too much of the time of the Soviet Union - but today's media about several eras is more excellent.

        Therefore, we are forced to somehow get used to this new reality and not take everything directly back.

        For me, the heroes and fighters against fascism are the Poles, members of the Ludov’s Army, the partisans-Poles, who obeyed the Polish headquarters of the partisan movement ... these are people who did not shoot at the KA soldiers, and then at the SA soldiers. These people did not hide behind slogans about the struggle with the Russians, with Stalin, with the Communists, with the Jews, with the Ukrainians, but went and destroyed the German Nazis. Something like this.
        1. Waciak
          Waciak 7 February 2016 20: 15
          -1
          Well, just
        2. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 21: 19
          -4
          The army of Ludov is 5-6 brigades of 200-500 people each. For the year of the war since April 44th - a dozen military operations is all.
          A small partisan organization that did not significantly affect the course of hostilities.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 7 February 2016 21: 49
            +2
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            The army of Ludov is 5-6 brigades of 200-500 people each. For the year of the war since April 44th - a dozen military operations is all.
            A small partisan organization that did not significantly affect the course of hostilities.

            AK is a small partisan organization - "it did not have a noticeable impact on the course of hostilities" because Poland was liberated by the SA, not the AK.)))
            1. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 21: 59
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              This is an exclusively geographical feature.
              For the same reason, Anglo-Americans liberated France.
              Of course, AK had no equal strength to fight with Germany, but they fought.
              The liberation of Europe cost us 2 million soldiers' lives.
              But what was to be done. Hitler's Germany was too dangerous a neighbor))
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 05
                +2
                Quote: Cap.Morgan
                This is an exclusively geographical feature.
                For the same reason, Anglo-Americans liberated France.
                Of course, AK had no equal strength to fight with Germany, but they fought.
                The liberation of Europe cost us 2 million soldiers' lives.
                But what was to be done. Hitler's Germany was too dangerous a neighbor))

                What is the difference geographic feature or not. The fact is that Poland was liberated by the SA, which was helped by the armies of the Polish Army. AK did not participate in this release.)
                1. Cap.Morgan
                  Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 13
                  -2
                  The CA immediately took a hostile position.
                  By the way, there was no Soviet army then, but the Red Army.
                  So the units of the Red Army from the very beginning disarmed the units of the Home Army.
                  KA smashed the AK.
                  Competitors in Poland were not needed.
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Cap.Morgan
                    The CA immediately took a hostile position.
                    By the way, there was no Soviet army then, but the Red Army.
                    So the units of the Red Army from the very beginning disarmed the units of the Home Army.
                    KA smashed the AK.
                    Competitors in Poland were not needed.

                    Cheat? The London Polish government, to which AK was subordinate, was initially hostile to the USSR and the KA.)
                    1. Cap.Morgan
                      Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 00: 01
                      0
                      There was no other government.
                      At that time there was only the Sikorsky government. With whom the USSR had relations. Sikorsky then died when he began to ask unnecessary questions.
                      1. Your friend
                        Your friend 8 February 2016 00: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: Cap.Morgan
                        There was no other government.
                        At that time there was only the Sikorsky government. With whom the USSR had relations. Sikorsky then died when he began to ask unnecessary questions.

                        What other government? Until 41, Sikorsky had no established relations, what are you talking about? No need for conspiracy theorists, about unnecessary questions.
            2. Olga Zaitseva
              7 February 2016 22: 40
              0
              Do not tell. Craiova’s army was one of the large irregular partisan formations of WWII. The number of AK militants in the 1944 year reached 350 thousand.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 42
                +1
                Quote: Olga Zaitseva
                Do not tell. Craiova’s army was one of the large irregular partisan formations of WWII. The number of AK militants in the 1944 year reached 350 thousand.

                Yes, even a billion. She did not participate in the liberation of Poland from the Nazis. Poland freed SA.
                1. Olga Zaitseva
                  7 February 2016 22: 46
                  -1
                  How did it not participate? Although not very successful, I did participate! Have you heard about the Tempest action? Or about the Warsaw Uprising of 1944?
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: Olga Zaitseva
                    How did it not participate? Although not very successful, I did participate! Have you heard about the Tempest action? Or about the Warsaw Uprising of 1944?

                    Do you recall the results of these uprisings and operations? In the end, Warsaw was freed by the SA, not the AK. That is why AK did not participate in the release.)
                    1. Olga Zaitseva
                      7 February 2016 22: 54
                      -1
                      I didn’t participate - it means “I was sitting with folded hands”. And the AK participated in the liberation of Poland, albeit with little success. And the Red Army also carried out many operations together with the red partisans.
                      1. Your friend
                        Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Olga Zaitseva
                        I didn’t participate - it means “I was sitting with folded hands”. And the AK participated in the liberation of Poland, albeit with little success. And the Red Army also carried out many operations together with the red partisans.

                        Did not participate in the liberation - it means nothing has been freed. And only.) Moreover, attempts to play a significant force led to a meaningless, stupid Warsaw uprising, which ended stupidly with a huge number of victims.
                      2. Olga Zaitseva
                        7 February 2016 23: 01
                        -2
                        But the same thing can be said about the red partisans.
                        Akovtsy, moreover, helped with the liberation of some cities.
                      3. Your friend
                        Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 11
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                        Quote: Olga Zaitseva
                        But the same thing can be said about the red partisans.
                        Akovtsy, moreover, helped with the liberation of some cities.

                        Red partisans are an integral part of the spacecraft, therefore it is impossible to say so about them.
                        "Helped", that is did not release yourself?
                      4. Olga Zaitseva
                        7 February 2016 23: 14
                        -1
                        They themselves attempted. But the forces were small.
                        Nevertheless, help can already be considered participation.
                      5. Your friend
                        Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Olga Zaitseva
                        They themselves attempted. But the forces were small.
                        Nevertheless, help can already be considered participation.

                        So I'm talking about that. They did not release anything.
                2. Cap.Morgan
                  Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 22
                  +1
                  I agree, the Warsaw uprising was unsuccessful. Moreover provocative.
                  The calculation boiled down to the fact that in the course of the liberation of Poland by the Red Army in the capital, the supporters of the "London government" would seize power.
                  But ordinary citizens, after all, fought heroically.
            3. Captain nemo
              Captain nemo 7 February 2016 23: 03
              -1
              Quote: Your friend
              Do you recall the results of these uprisings and operations? In the end, Warsaw was freed by the SA, not the AK.

              Here you will be wrong, in general, in the war, this is certainly a losing country. As for individual operations, in the battle of Moscow, according to the recollections of Marshal Zhukov, her success was ensured by the large forces of the Red Army, who were surrounded by the Wehrmacht, who were completely defeated. But this does not mean that they were defeated, they did not help with this to carry out a counterattack near Moscow.
              1. Cap.Morgan
                Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 17
                +1
                As it is incomprehensible expressed.
                How could this success of the battle of Moscow be ensured by the encircled troops of the Red Army? How did the captured soldiers help defend the capital?
              2. Your friend
                Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 27
                0
                Quote: Cap.Morgan
                As it is incomprehensible expressed.
                How could this success of the battle of Moscow be ensured by the encircled troops of the Red Army? How did the captured soldiers help defend the capital?

                All clear. According to Nemo, the encircled forces pulled back part of the German forces, thereby weakening the pressure on Moscow.
              3. Cap.Morgan
                Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 00: 07
                -2
                Eh ... 100 prisoners pulled 000 convoys ....
                Zhukov got excited here. Well, what was he to answer. Instead of exhausting the enemy in flexible defense, they fell into the boilers, having lost supplies and control.
              4. Your friend
                Your friend 8 February 2016 00: 13
                -1
                Quote: Cap.Morgan
                Eh ... 100 prisoners pulled 000 convoys ....
                Zhukov got excited here. Well, what was he to answer. Instead of exhausting the enemy in flexible defense, they fell into the boilers, having lost supplies and control.

                Yes you ischo and stratech !!! Always touched by people who always know what to do to generals and marshals of the spacecraft. I have no doubt that you would show "flexible defense".)))
                Well then yes, there is little joy from the boilers and, as a result, the prisoners.
          2. Captain nemo
            Captain nemo 7 February 2016 23: 44
            0
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            It is somehow incomprehensibly expressed. How could the success of the battle of Moscow be ensured by the Red Army troops that were surrounded? How did the captured soldiers help defend the capital?

            As Marshal Zhukov said, they pulled all the forces that the Germans had near Moscow, they were surrounded by about 80000. Thus, they gave time to pull up all available reserves to Moscow and remove the planned unblocking from Leningrad. From the Wehrmacht, there were also losses, and as a result, they could not take possession of Moscow.
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    2. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 23: 02
      0
      Olga, the man who liberated Poland from the SA, which appeared only in 1946 ... He would have to deal with the Red Army and the Soviet Army, and you would pester him with your Warsaw Uprising of 1944. Some kind of sadism! And also a history teacher ...
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 06
        0
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        Poland was freed from man by the SA, which appeared only in 1946 ... He would have to deal with the Red Army and the Soviet Army, and you would pester him with your Warsaw Uprising of 1944. Some kind of sadism! And also a history teacher ...

        I admit my mistakes. I thought the renaming of the spacecraft in the SA occurred simultaneously with the introduction of shoulder straps. (
        Your grandmothers avenged.)))
      2. Olga Zaitseva
        7 February 2016 23: 11
        -1
        Here we are all about the Orthodox Poles, about the liberation of Poland, about the Army Craiova and the Army Ludov ... But after all, Mr. Treplinsky had a soul!
        It would be interesting to hear your attitude towards him as a person. In the article, his behavior and manners are well described - there is something to judge.
        Oh, sorry I have in my hands there is no photo of this curly-haired handsome man in a tunic and with PPShka! 4 photos were presented to us then, in particular, by his liaison-lover Niksic and veteran AK Mastyugich. But Oleg Viktorovich had a photo, and I last talked with him last October. Now he does not teach, he left for another area.
        1. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 7 February 2016 23: 20
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          Here we are all about the Orthodox Poles, about the liberation of Poland, about the Army Craiova and Army Ludov ... But Pan Treplinsky had a soul! It would be interesting to hear your attitude to him as a person. In the article, his behavior and manners are well described - there is something to judge. Oh, it's a pity I do not have a photograph of this curly-haired handsome man in a tunic and with PPShka!

          And what can I say - he loved a girl, but she married another. Probably she didn’t love and found herself another. And he, in order to smooth out those not pleasant memories from his past, took it according to the "Orthodox" and shot both him and his relatives. Probably he is still not very handsome, it was that shirt-guy. These are very dangerous people, and it is better for their rivals to shoot them right away, regardless of the titles and positions in their squad. After all, he, together with his wife, probably helped this AK, but unfortunately, he did not see his enemy in his ranks.
        2. Olga Zaitseva
          7 February 2016 23: 49
          -1
          Quite the contrary, this husband was her in the Communist Party.
          But then he still got along with her. And the son was. And in the last battle with him was.
          About his beauty - well, it’s quite pleasant, you can’t even say that of the Selyuk. Tall, youthful face. He is true with 1919, and Lapinskaya with 1918. She was a year younger. But she was not known for her special beauty (she saw a photo of her in a gang affair). The truth is not ugly either, but that Niksic was much nicer.
        3. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 8 February 2016 00: 16
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          On the contrary, this husband was her husband in the Communist Party, and then he all the same agreed with her.

          The contrasts for these Polish Orthodox are simply scaled. Well, God bless him that she was not very beautiful, although there is no comrade in taste and color. According to his convictions, he is a Communist today, and tomorrow is a Capitalist. How long has such a concept as "Soviet people" disappeared from us? She rather jumped out for him because everyone in that district suddenly started talking about him, and not because she lived, lived and bam "I love him alone" and I no longer need my husband, and my son also has that father not needed because the other will be better.
          She took the last battle because she did not notice the "tail" behind her, and so he did not lure her into the trenches by any roll. It seems to me that it was she who persuaded him to shoot her husband's relatives and he easily agreed with this, although they were all in the party. But Basta was killed, and as it was, of course, she did not give herself up during interrogation.
        4. Olga Zaitseva
          8 February 2016 13: 48
          +1
          One of our eyewitnesses, her acquaintance, told us that she, when her husband was at home, went out of the house somewhere, and returned with Basta. And he didn’t shoot him, but stabbed him. But his parents in Zhabinka yes - they shot him at point blank range.
          But Basta was killed, and as it was, of course, she didn’t surrender herself during interrogation.

          Well, she seemed to have died too. The file contains a photo of post mortem - their corpses are lying near the house, next to them are their bags, and Baste also put his gun (the gun looks like a Mauser) in his hand. He lies asleep, though a wound in the temple reveals, her head is full of blood, her face is almost invisible. A machine gun burst broke her head.
          But even though the bandits, it’s touching ... She didn’t wait until he was killed and she would give up, and she died along with him. And the first she gave her life to God.
        5. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 8 February 2016 16: 55
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          One of our eyewitnesses, her acquaintance, told us that she, when her husband was at home, went out of the house somewhere, and returned with Basta. And he didn’t shoot him, but stabbed him. But his parents in Zhabinka yes - they shot him at point blank range.

          To answer your torment I will start from far away.
          You mentioned something about the explosion of a train with captured weapons. And note that they did not need Zeiss machines for turning binocular glasses, telephone exchanges or bridge and port cranes. So he had a really extensive network, including at the railway station of the city of Brest, which until 1939 was not customs between Poland and the USSR.
          Now I'm moving to a higher level than "for which our ancestors shed their blood," that is, on individuals.
          But it brought the murderer of her husband to her house (I wonder if the "communist" built it himself, or, as always, the "distribution of labor" in society). She seemed to have led, but did she condemn what she had chosen earlier?
          She condemned it, but if she had not been such a fool in her youth as before, she would have always seen in 1939 that "the future Basta is Basta".
          Looks like Bast in 1939 was not yet a mediocre or strong personality, so she found herself another from whom she gave birth.
          "Not likely, but a fact" is it possible to rewind time and put yourself in Basta's place?
          It is possible and necessary, I omit the "theory", but it was the "communist" who joined the party, like that "white collar" at the Brest railway station, to serve the AK.
          And most likely his relatives were shot not because he was a "communist", but in his heart, just like she was Uniath. And for the fact that as if others did not find out about what they themselves Basta and the wife of the "communist" did not know.
          Looks like an agreement was reached earlier that the "communist" would "leave" his wife, which he told his relatives about.
          But he did not betray his son, and therefore the "owners of the territory" decided everything for him.
        6. Olga Zaitseva
          8 February 2016 17: 30
          0
          therefore she found herself another from whom she gave birth.

          She was not married to that communist. Son Stephen, the only child from Basta.
          And most likely his relatives were shot not because he was a "communist", but in his heart, just like she was Uniath.

          I think if he would not marry this Lapinskaya, his life would be at 80% out of danger.
          After hearing stories about Pan Captain, I recall the film "Trap", filmed in the 1970s in Romania about the local nationalist bandit underground. And this man reminded me of Goria Banich, the leader of the bandits from that film. Also, everything about "uniforms and medals" and "exterminate communists and Ukrainians in free Poland." The same prudent and also tried to "dump" at the end of this whole story.
        7. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 8 February 2016 17: 59
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          She was not married to that communist. Son Stephen, the only child from Basta.

          Well then, it changes both mine and their meaning of life.
          Did he happen to stay alive from Basta there, could we see him?
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          I think if he would not marry this Lapinskaya, his life would be at 80% out of danger.

          On the one hand, we can think correctly, but only in the case that you are ready for the fact that after their death you would not be born, and Stefan was born before your birth, which means that he could not influence whether not to be "in this world.
        8. Olga Zaitseva
          8 February 2016 18: 24
          0
          Well then, it changes both mine and their meaning of life.
          Did he happen to stay alive from Basta there, could we see him?

          About Stefan, at the time when we collected data about this gang, they said that he lives quite normally in Poland, in the city of Lodz (this is mentioned in the article, and that he is a son from Basta), he got children and grandchildren. Every year she comes to Shebrin with them, arranges a small meeting with AK veterans there. The Orthodox priest is invited (and from the parish of the MP) to hold a memorial service. There he placed a memorial cross on his dead parents, in that very clearing.
          At first, after the liquidation of his parents, Stefan lived with his grandfather, father of Basta Georgy Treplinsky. However, then George sent him to distant relatives in Vilnius, because he thought that he could be imprisoned because of his son, the leader of the anti-Soviet gang. With age, he moved to Poland in the 1970's, and there he got married, got children, etc. Who worked, alas, asked - they don’t know.
        9. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 8 February 2016 18: 49
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          About Stefan, at the time when we collected data about this gang, they said that he lives quite normally in Poland, in the city of Lodz (this is mentioned in the article, and that he is a son from Basta), he got children and grandchildren. Every year she comes to Shebrin with them, arranges a small meeting with AK veterans there. The Orthodox priest is invited (and from the parish of the MP) to hold a memorial service. There he placed a memorial cross on his dead parents in that very clearing. At first, after the liquidation of his parents, Stefan lived with his grandfather, father of Basta Georgy Treplinsky. However, then George sent him to distant relatives in Vilnius, because he thought that he could be imprisoned because of his son, the leader of the anti-Soviet gang. With age, he moved to Poland in the 1970s, and there he got married, got children, etc. Who worked, alas, asked - they don’t know.

          I, too, have relatives in my distant relatives from Poland, and from my neighbor, it generally sucks from Hohland. According to the first, I have never seen them, but according to the second we can see them, but they are not drawn to me as “brothers,” as “our” “president” Putin tells us.
          Stefan is clearly older than me, but I would not refuse to meet with him even though we are not relatives.
          He does not live on the land for which his dad died, and all because his "dad" had "his own principles of life."
        10. Olga Zaitseva
          8 February 2016 19: 15
          0
          But the nationalists of the Polish flood, it seems, even drew a picture about his dad, it turns out! And about people like him - a whole series: http://chestnut-ah.livejournal.com/662065.html
          This person, Trepplinsky, seems to be almost unknown even in Polish circles. Or maybe they sniffed about him too, somewhere ...
          Incidentally, the picture is drawn from one of the photos of the captain. In fact, I saw (and it seems that we were even given one, only my colleague, again) had a similar photograph where he and his wife are. It seems that they are also standing there, and the jacket on his wife is similar, as in the figure. Maybe they’ve sinned with the color of their hair, they added a soldier, but the insignia didn’t spoil him, which Basta loved. And so - just a copy!
        11. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 8 February 2016 20: 14
          0
          Quote: Olga Zaitseva
          This person, Treplinsky, seems to be almost unknown even in Polish circles.

          Well, about what we call "not a person" is not the one to judge who once betrayed himself for the sake of the results of his ancestors in the 2nd world.
          I am even glad to those who betray those who betrayed the "covenants" of their grandfathers who in their "wills" about the "results of the 2nd World War" and the Polish borders never mentioned that I would not violate the Polish borders of 1945. Just like my relatives who died in World War II.
          Personality or not Person Terpinsky?
          Certainly a person, where neither Stalin nor Hitler was a person on that territory.
          They could and wanted Basta not to carry their weapons, but all the same, Basta, for evil, wore not only his own (bows, arrows) but their weapons.
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  • Litsvin
    Litsvin 8 February 2016 13: 48
    0
    You Shanouns are right. The Army of Ludov (ie the People's Army, that is, the "Polish Red Army"), this was precisely the core of the Polish patriotic resistance, which STRIKED to cleanse its homeland of the Nazis AND UNDERSTOOD THAT ONLY AND EXCLUSIVE RED CAN DO ARMY OF THE SOVIET UNION. And no one else will help them in the liberation of POLAND - neither the corrupt British, accustomed only to "play off other peoples in wars and drag chestnuts out of the fire by someone else's hands," nor the arrogant Americans with the Zhydomason ruling elite at the head of state, which sponsored Adolf Hitler since 1922 and brought him to power T.E. ACTUALLY THE USA UNLEASHED THE MOST BLOOD-BREEDING WAR IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY WITH HITLER'S HANDS AND AT ONCE SOLVED ALL ITS FINANCIAL PROBLEMS; nor the French paddies, who themselves left their France without resistance and fled "to the negroes in Africa."
    Therefore, Army Ludova can be respected. Recently I read a book in = an autobiographical book about V. Jaruzelski - very interesting reading for those interested in the "Polish question". To put it simply, in a nutshell, there you can see how the Great Poland chauvinist from childhood duped by propaganda, who had many military men and Polish intelligentsia in his family, became an ardent communist, a friend of the Soviet Union, and, WITH THIS, retained a sense of HEALTHY patriotism, not founded on chauvinism.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 February 2016 18: 59
    0
    After the Soviet regime, from 1917 to 1991, is presented as a regime that is not subject to any changes, i.e. completely "discredited" in the minds of a generation of people who did not live under socialism, objectively the article heroizes the AK as nationalists and Catholics. Moreover, not a word has been said about the heroism of the soldiers of the NKVD, "Smersh" and Soviet activists. But after the liberation of the territory of petty-bourgeois (!) Poland by the Red Army, a real revolution took place, and then a civil war began. In this sequence.
    Therefore, it is important to understand that AK members, first of all, fought against socialism, i.e. against the public form of ownership and against the destruction of private ownership of land and the class of owners.
    On the other hand, the Communists and the poorest peasants were objectively interested in the early completion of the unrest and the transition to peaceful life and creation. That is the point.
    Of course, today, after 70 years, we can somewhat differently assess the social policy of the Soviet government, but we can’t change anything. In general, the fate of Poland was determined not only by the policies of Stalin, who was, above all, a pragmatist, but also by allies, primarily the United States and Great Britain. This fact should be recognized and promoted in the consciousness of the young generation.
    As for Poland’s national self-determination, it was not only realized, but Poland received new territorial acquisitions, especially on the border with Germany. Poland remained Catholic. In Poland, private property was not destroyed. With the assistance of the USSR, the Polish People’s Republic turned into a relatively powerful industrial-agrarian state with a combat-ready army.
    Finally, Poland, the USSR-Russia, voluntarily (!) And very quickly (!) Removed its troops from Poland, refused to intervene in the internal affairs of Poland.
    And what did we get ?!
    They got the fact that AK was introduced by pragmatists from Washington to Poland.
    Churchill, praising the Polish people, called these people scum. For some reason, I believe Churchill.
    AK, Bandera and all other "resistance" should be assessed as unprincipled accomplices of the Nazis and criminals who committed sabotage and other crimes against humanity in the rear of the Red Army, and later on the territory of the USSR and Poland against the civilian population.
    These beasts also committed crimes against religion. Therefore, some details such as "crossed himself before death" also contribute to the whitewashing of these criminals. We see the same thing in ISIS, but the attitude towards it is different.
    The author refrains from stating his personal position and attitude towards the "heroes" of the story, but this is not a new technique. The author sympathizes with the AK, and this is very dangerous, since it contributes to the incitement of hatred in the Russians, who are associated exclusively with the NKVD. However, in the USSR, Russians were deprived of statehood and turned out to be one of the most, if not the most powerless, social group. Let me remind you once again that the USSR was created as the basis for the world revolution to abolish private ownership of the means of production, and not for the expansion of the territory of Rus and the Russification of Catholic Poland.
  • lesnik1978
    lesnik1978 7 February 2016 21: 11
    +3
    What can I say about this article !? The author is silent about why the AK was supported by a small part of the population. Because of the "wrong" partisans. In our area, they used to be worse than the Germans. And the attitude of the population towards them was extremely negative. (both the old-timers and my grandmother told me this) there were two types of partisans: Russians and local. The Russian will come and change into dry and clean clothes and leave his own, and the local will take his own. They took cows from people, horses, etc. In a neighboring village, partisans killed an 8-year-old girl during the Great Patriotic War. Our people are like this: we don't need someone else's, but we won't give ours.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 7 February 2016 22: 08
      +2
      You simplify the situation a bit. I’ll just give one example from an unofficial History that happened near the Nalibokskaya Forest (if my memory serves me) during the Second World War during the Nazi occupation.

      Soviet partisans raided Polish farms from Pushcha and began to clean up food and livestock from the Poles farmers. In addition, the team of "foragers" was of the same nationality - Jewish, which for the Poles was doubly offensive ...

      The farmers quickly informed the AK people about the "Jewish partisan invasion". They managed to do it on time and put the Jews-partisans on the farmsteads.

      After the Akovtsy left for their business, the Soviet partisans arrived at the farm and burned the farm.

      So try to deal with all these ups and downs of the partisan struggle against the Nazi invaders, when among themselves ...

      And, probably, you mean paratroopers transferred from behind the front line when you use the term "Russian partisan"?
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 29
        0
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        You simplify the situation a bit. I’ll just give one example from an unofficial History that happened near the Nalibokskaya Forest (if my memory serves me) during the Second World War during the Nazi occupation.

        Soviet partisans raided Polish farms from Pushcha and began to clean up food and livestock from the Poles farmers. In addition, the team of "foragers" was of the same nationality - Jewish, which for the Poles was doubly offensive ...

        The farmers quickly informed the AK people about the "Jewish partisan invasion". They managed to do it on time and put the Jews-partisans on the farmsteads.

        After the Akovtsy left for their business, the Soviet partisans arrived at the farm and burned the farm.

        So try to deal with all these ups and downs of the partisan struggle against the Nazi invaders, when among themselves ...

        And, probably, you mean paratroopers transferred from behind the front line when you use the term "Russian partisan"?

        An unofficial story, say what the grandmother told .... ahahaha ...
        And here is the official story. The city of Jedwabne, described by the Polish historian Jan Gross, the glorious inhabitants of the Polish nationality slaughtered one and a half thousand people, "of Jewish nationality" - as you put it.
        "So try to sort out all these vicissitudes of the partisan struggle against the Nazi invaders, when among themselves ..."
        God .... (((
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  • bed111
    bed111 7 February 2016 21: 52
    +1
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    It seems that the State Department's propagandists began to beat Belarus with stupid lies in order to destroy it as well as Ukraine. Well, how did they start. The State Department's "works" that Belarusians are not Slavs, but Balts, etc., were written long ago. Began the next stage of aggressive massive zombies.


    It's strange. We, in Minsk, do not hear any "State Department". Where did you hear him? For example, I just saw this article here. And about the fact that I am a Balt, for the first time I hear from you - a Russian brother :-).
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 06
      +1
      Quote: bed111
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      It seems that the State Department's propagandists began to beat Belarus with stupid lies in order to destroy it as well as Ukraine. Well, how did they start. The State Department's "works" that Belarusians are not Slavs, but Balts, etc., were written long ago. Began the next stage of aggressive massive zombies.


      It's strange. We, in Minsk, do not hear any "State Department". Where did you hear him? For example, I just saw this article here. And about the fact that I am a Balt, for the first time I hear from you - a Russian brother :-).

      I think the person meant the term "Litvin", not the Balt. My suggestion.)
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 22: 23
    -1
    [quote = Your friend] [quote = Cap.Morgan] You can give any link, it’s the same everywhere.
    The figure of 1,1 million is given in the encyclopedia of the 80s of the publication. Page specified.
    The encyclopedia reprinted this from Soviet sources. From materials of the Sovinformburo.
    During the war, the fabrications of propagandists were justified, but why repeat the nonsense now. [/ Quote]

    Where is the nonsense? Why are the Sovinformburo materials nonsense? Because you said so? Ahhhh, here it is, if a certain captain Morgan said this, then that's it. Kindergarten.

    [quote = Cap.Morgan] Your hatred of everything non-communist is obvious. Any non-communist rebel you have a bastard, a villain and a bandit. Another thing is the export of Soviet power to Europe. Here you have a fair and honest war. / Quote]

    This is not even funny.
    Where do I hate everything non-communist? Give a quote.
    Where do I love everything communist? Give a quote.
    Where do I have ANY non-communist rebel bastard, villain and bandit? Waiting for my quote.
    Where did I say something about the export of Soviet power? My quote.
    And finally bring my quote finally, where do I whitewash the war?
    Are you able to answer for your words or just ready to attribute to me your crazy inventions?

    [quote = Cap.Morgan] On what basis do you call the soldiers of the Homeland Army bandits?
    They fought with Hitler even 2 years before the start of World War II. [/ Quote]
    Based on the fact that AK in peacetime robbed and killed. (((
    Of course, the fact that AK fought with Hitler 2 years before the Second World War makes AK white and fluffy. You yourself are not funny from the level of your arguments?))) [/ Quote]






    Sovinformburo materials is a fantastic read. There, the number of wrecked tanks exceeds their release, the account of the killed Germans in the first weeks of the war goes to millions .... During the war it is justified. We must raise the spirit of our troops and population at all costs. Therefore, propagandists write such fiction that has nothing to do with the truth. Then historians begin to quote this and the inventions of propagandists turn into historical facts.
    Well you called AK - sheep bandits .... or have you changed your mind?
    Then you said that you like the communist partisans of the Ludova Army more. They are your true heroes. Despite a very small amount and modest contribution. They already do not like you, have you changed your mind?
    You did not speak about the export of Soviet power, but the Soviet power in Poland is export.
    It's just that at first Stalin set up "people's democracies" there - there is no need to provoke the Americans, they have an atomic bomb - but with the advent of the bomb in the USSR, democracies became socialist countries.
    The army of Craiova was precisely the force opposing the export of Soviet power and was therefore destroyed. You just don’t like her. Since in your opinion these are bandits.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 39
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      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Sovinformburo materials is a fantastic read. There, the number of wrecked tanks exceeds their release, the account of the killed Germans in the first weeks of the war goes to millions .... During the war it is justified. We must raise the spirit of our troops and population at all costs. Therefore, propagandists write such fiction that has nothing to do with the truth. Then historians begin to quote this and the inventions of propagandists turn into historical facts.

      You are not catching up with the hike. I’ve already tried to convey to you that your "Sovinformburo is a fantastic reading" is a fantastic reading in itself. Other than that, you just have nothing to say.)))
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Well you called AK - sheep bandits .... or have you changed your mind?

      When you read my message you never see? Where did I change my mind? Again you attribute your Wishlist to me.)
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Then you said that you like the communist partisans of the Ludova Army more. They are your true heroes. Despite a very small amount and modest contribution. They already do not like you, have you changed your mind?

      Where did I write that they didn’t like me? Are you raving again?
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      You did not speak about the export of Soviet power, but the Soviet power in Poland is export.

      Where did I even talk about the export of Soviet power? Well what nonsense when you stop nonsense to write?
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      It's just that at first Stalin set up "people's democracies" there - there is no need to provoke the Americans, they have an atomic bomb - but with the advent of the bomb in the USSR, democracies became socialist countries.

      What does Stalin, atomic bombs, popular democracies have to do with it? Your thoughts run like cockroaches. Where am I saying something about this?
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      The army of Craiova was precisely the force opposing the export of Soviet power and was therefore destroyed. You just don’t like her. Since in your opinion these are bandits.

      What is it for? Are you talking to yourself?)))
    2. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 7 February 2016 22: 56
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      You did not speak about the export of Soviet power, but the Soviet power in Poland is export.

      When in 1941 after the German attack, England and the USSR entered into a military alliance between themselves, there was no question of any "export" of Soviet power to Poland. Moreover, at the negotiations in December 1941 with Anderson's Army, Stalin did not even remotely hint that the capitalist system would be changed to a socialist one in Poland, even if Anderson's Army did not liberate its Poland and the USSR would do it for it with the help of its Army. But as we know, having concluded all kinds of treaties before the war, as in 1939 England could not fulfill them and in 1944 when in the spring of 1944 the Red Army approached the borders of Poland.
  • bed111
    bed111 7 February 2016 22: 41
    +2
    Quote: Your friend

    I think the person meant the term "Litvin", not the Balt. My suggestion.)


    I just wonder how Russian brothers are afraid that we, here in Belarus, have been reading some articles and starting to ride the Maidan. Well, isn't it funny to yourself? :-) Only an abnormal can believe in the Belarusian Maidan. There is nothing here and never will be.
    And such articles need us, Belarusians, to read. And we must remember that it can be if we lose the protection of the Russian Federation and someone remembers that his lands were once attached to us ...
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 22: 46
      -2
      [quote = bed111] [quote = Your friend]
      I am simply amazed how the Russian brothers are afraid that we, here in Belarus, will read some articles and begin to ride on the Maidan. Well, aren't you funny yourself? :-) Believing in the Belarusian Maidan can only be crazy. There is nothing here and never will be. [/ quote]
      Seriously? It reminds me of something. Oh yes, my relatives and I also giggled about the war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, about "mosk ... yaku to gilyaku", about Bender. Now there are no relatives or "fraternal" Ukraine left. (((
      Well, you know better in Minsk.)
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 7 February 2016 23: 13
    0
    The topic of the article is very interesting. This is evidenced by the discussion around the article. I would like the authors to delve deeper into the material. It is better to go, at least, to Belarus, since a trip to Ukraine now may be fraught with consequences. Try to find living "Orthodox Poles" in Belarus. I'm afraid this will be difficult to do. In general, the consequences of those years are very acutely felt now in Ukraine - the resettlement of peasants from the western regions to the Kherson and central regions of Ukraine. Even church membership plays a role. I think that now in Donbass among the militias you will not find either Uniates or Orthodox Christians of the Kiev Patriarchate. Do not stop! Good luck!
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 36
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    Quote: Captain Nemo
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    You did not speak about the export of Soviet power, but the Soviet power in Poland is export.

    When in 1941 after the German attack, England and the USSR entered into a military alliance between themselves, there was no question of any "export" of Soviet power to Poland. Moreover, at the negotiations in December 1941 with Anderson's Army, Stalin did not even remotely hint that the capitalist system would be changed to a socialist one in Poland, even if Anderson's Army did not liberate its Poland and the USSR would do it for it with the help of its Army. But as we know, having concluded all kinds of treaties before the war, as in 1939 England could not fulfill them and in 1944 when in the spring of 1944 the Red Army approached the borders of Poland.

    Anderson is known as a storyteller. But it doesn’t matter.)))
    Anders refused to fight on the side of Soviet power and departed for Persia along with three divisions of his army.
    What's on him.
    The Polish emigrant elite was engaged in intrigues and scams.
    Stalin, without a doubt, planned to spread his influence over Europe.
    This is also indicated by the war with Finland, the occupation of the territory of former Poland, and entry into Bessarabia.
    In the USSR, the Dimitrov International was operating whose task is the world revolution.
    Could Stalin, after all the losses incurred, miss such a prize as Eastern Europe? Yes, not a joke.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 8 February 2016 00: 00
      0
      Stalin gave up the "world revolution" back in 1933 when he joined the League of Nations.
      Anders refused to fight on the side of Soviet power and departed for Persia along with three divisions of his army.
      What's on him.

      He negotiated with Stalin who asked him to fight together against the Germans in the USSR.
      Stalin, without a doubt, planned to spread his influence over Europe.

      Well, if he planned it back in 1941, then why not give vain promises on the return of the Polish territories to the Polish government in exile, or according to yours, in 1941 did he plan the course of the war for earlier and create the Ludov’s Army?
      This is also indicated by the war with Finland, the occupation of the territory of former Poland, and entry into Bessarabia.

      At the expense of Finland, yes, Poland itself the aggressor in 1919 seized the ZUNR, and Zap Belarus, Romania gave itself to Bessarabia.
      Could Stalin, after all the losses incurred, miss such a prize as Eastern Europe? Yes, not a joke.

      Well, he was able to give Western Belorussia to Riga, by the way, and he was against going to Warsaw, and so it is - You won’t conquer the whole world / Europe.
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 48
    0
    Here is a piece from the report of the Sovinformburo, a week has passed since the beginning of the war. 2500 German tanks out of 4 already destroyed. And a third of all German planes that invaded the space of the USSR. And the blitzkrieg has already been broken.
    AND SO EVERY WEEK.
    Then historians quote this nonsense. That's what I mean.

    “As a result of stubborn and fierce battles for a period of 7 to 8 days, the Germans lost at least 2.500 tanks, about 1.500 aircraft, more than 30.000 prisoners. During the same period we lost: 850 aircraft, up to 900 tanks, up to 15.000 missing and prisoners ...

    Such is the picture of the actual situation at the front, which we with good reason oppose to the boastful reports of German radio. The results of the first 8 days of the war allow us to draw the following conclusions: the lightning victory, which the German command hoped for, failed; the interaction of the German fronts is disrupted; the offensive spirit of the German army has been undermined; and Soviet troops, despite their late deployment, continue to defend Soviet soil, inflicting cruel and exhausting blows on the enemy ... "
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 7 February 2016 23: 56
      -2
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Here is a piece from the report of the Sovinformburo, a week has passed since the beginning of the war. 2500 German tanks out of 4 already destroyed. And a third of all German planes that invaded the space of the USSR. And the blitzkrieg has already been broken.
      AND SO EVERY WEEK.
      Then historians quote this nonsense. That's what I mean.

      “As a result of stubborn and fierce battles for a period of 7 to 8 days, the Germans lost at least 2.500 tanks, about 1.500 aircraft, more than 30.000 prisoners. During the same period we lost: 850 aircraft, up to 900 tanks, up to 15.000 missing and prisoners ...

      Such is the picture of the actual situation at the front, which we with good reason oppose to the boastful reports of German radio. The results of the first 8 days of the war allow us to draw the following conclusions: the lightning victory, which the German command hoped for, failed; the interaction of the German fronts is disrupted; the offensive spirit of the German army has been undermined; and Soviet troops, despite their late deployment, continue to defend Soviet soil, inflicting cruel and exhausting blows on the enemy ... "

      Twenty five again. I tell you about it once again. I have no other numbers besides this million. Do you have data supported by documents or any calculations with other figures? So bring. What you rinse is Sovinformburo.
  • bed111
    bed111 8 February 2016 00: 24
    +1
    Quote: Your friend
    Seriously? It reminds me of something. Oh yes, my relatives and I also giggled about the war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, about "mosk ... yaku to gilyaku", about Bender. Now there are no relatives or "fraternal" Ukraine left. (((
    Well, you know better in Minsk.)


    Yes, I know better, this is obvious. Change the record, this completely nosed one, after one comment is quoted. It seems that someone has only one gyrus working in their head - with a home address and a Belarusian Maidan. Wherever you look - around the Maidana. Sleep well, there will be no revolution in Belarus. Relax, soothing, drink. :-)
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 8 February 2016 00: 30
      -2
      Quote: bed111
      Quote: Your friend
      Seriously? It reminds me of something. Oh yes, my relatives and I also giggled about the war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, about "mosk ... yaku to gilyaku", about Bender. Now there are no relatives or "fraternal" Ukraine left. (((
      Well, you know better in Minsk.)


      Yes, I know better, this is obvious. Change the plate, this is so sick at all.

      What kind of record? Are you crazy?)))
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 00: 25
    0
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    Here is a piece from the report of the Sovinformburo, a week has passed since the beginning of the war. 2500 German tanks out of 4 already destroyed. And a third of all German planes that invaded the space of the USSR. And the blitzkrieg has already been broken.
    AND SO EVERY WEEK.
    Then historians quote this nonsense. That's what I mean.

    “As a result of stubborn and fierce battles for a period of 7 to 8 days, the Germans lost at least 2.500 tanks, about 1.500 aircraft, more than 30.000 prisoners. During the same period we lost: 850 aircraft, up to 900 tanks, up to 15.000 missing and prisoners ...

    Such is the picture of the actual situation at the front, which we with good reason oppose to the boastful reports of German radio. The results of the first 8 days of the war allow us to draw the following conclusions: the lightning victory, which the German command hoped for, failed; the interaction of the German fronts is disrupted; the offensive spirit of the German army has been undermined; and Soviet troops, despite their late deployment, continue to defend Soviet soil, inflicting cruel and exhausting blows on the enemy ... "

    Twenty five again. I tell you about it once again. I have no other numbers besides this million. Do you have data supported by documents or any calculations with other figures? So bring. What you rinse is Sovinformburo.

    So where do you get these numbers?
    And from here.
    In a difficult year, the dashing military commander took and embossed a little material, and did it right, but then everyone starts to refer to these numbers. And write about it in encyclopedias. That is, one cannot believe this 100%. Sometimes you need to connect your head.
    Kovpak in the 43rd was 2000 partisans. A million are 50 such units. This is unthinkable. Despite the fact that there were territories where there were no partisans at all.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 8 February 2016 00: 34
      -2
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      So where do you get these numbers?
      And from here.
      In a difficult year, the dashing military commander took and embossed a little material, and did it right, but then everyone starts to refer to these numbers. And write about it in encyclopedias. That is, one cannot believe this 100%. Sometimes you need to connect your head.
      Kovpak in the 43rd was 2000 partisans. A million are 50 such units. This is unthinkable. Despite the fact that there were territories where there were no partisans at all.

      Ischo times. I am patient.
      Your imaginable, inconceivable, to connect the head, military commissar, materialik - this is tryndezh one captured captain Morgan.
      1 million refers to a bunch of resources.
      The backfill question - what is the likelihood that Captain Morgan is a balabolka who cannot even offer his own number, because his only argument is to plug his head in?)))
  • bed111
    bed111 8 February 2016 00: 35
    +1
    Quote: Your friend
    What kind of record? Are you crazy?)))


    I say - we know better. I'm just tired of reading warnings about Belarusian Maidan in every branch. We will not have it. Do not wait:-)
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    2. Your friend
      Your friend 8 February 2016 00: 39
      -1
      Quote: bed111
      Quote: Your friend
      What kind of record? Are you crazy?)))


      I say - we know better. I'm just tired of reading warnings about Belarusian Maidan in every branch. We will not have it. Do not wait:-)

      If you are tired, then why did you first talk about the Maidan, you are a strange person.
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    So where do you get these numbers?
    And from here.
    In a difficult year, the dashing military commander took and embossed a little material, and did it right, but then everyone starts to refer to these numbers. And write about it in encyclopedias. That is, one cannot believe this 100%. Sometimes you need to connect your head.
    Kovpak in the 43rd was 2000 partisans. A million are 50 such units. This is unthinkable. Despite the fact that there were territories where there were no partisans at all.

    Ischo times. I am patient.
    Your imaginable, inconceivable, to connect the head, military commissar, materialik - this is tryndezh one captured captain Morgan.
    1 million refers to a bunch of resources.
    The backfill question - what is the likelihood that Captain Morgan is a balabolka who cannot even offer his own number, because his only argument is to plug his head in?)))

    Of course connect your head.
    It is impossible to repeat senseless tales of propaganda.
    I brought you a piece from the report of Sovinformboro about tanks and planes ... this is complete nonsense. Hence the logical conclusion.
    About partisans - this is also nonsense. The source is the same. You thoughtlessly, without any analysis, repeat propaganda clichés half a century ago.
    Your attitude to AK is generated by the same cliches. AK is bad because it was poorly written about in the reports, and these reports, invented by nobody knows - this is the ultimate truth for you.
    The number is simple, divide by 10, and there you have the true number of partisans in the 43rd.
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 February 2016 12: 52
      0
      Here is a confirmation - there is a heroization of AK and UNA-UNSO, in order to put Stalin on the same level with Hitler, to reduce everything to the well-known scheme "predator-prey" with a long-known result.
      That is, there is an ideological war and everyone is participating in it, becoming either a fighter or a victim.
      The main war criminal is world capital, financial circles, which shape the world according to their own patterns. If we accept the scheme that Hitler, AK and UNA-UNSO were on the "right side of history," then they are communists, and Stalin is the main hirer of world capital, a reactionary.
      1. Olga Zaitseva
        8 February 2016 13: 54
        +2
        UNA-UNSO

        It should be a shame! smile UNA-UNSO only appeared in the year 1990. And then there was the OUN (and two, or even three fractions: Bandera, Miller and Rebet (by the way, a Jew by nationality)) and the UPA (obeyed by the OUN (b)).
        1. iouris
          iouris 9 February 2016 01: 35
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          These are the details. But why should I be ashamed? I’m not trying, like you, to wash a black male to white.
          What do you have to say essentially? If only this, then your position is identified correctly.
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 8 February 2016 18: 45
    -1
    Now in the world in terms of GDP Poland is at 25, and Belarus at 65th place, maybe people then fought for a better life now?
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 8 February 2016 19: 43
      0
      If they fought on the basis of the 2nd World War, then it’s certainly not for the better life of those who betrayed you in Tehran.
      You have such a fate - well, you haven’t figured out what’s what!
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 February 2016 01: 42
      +1
      The BSSR in the USSR was one of the most developed republics, and the USSR was the second or third economy in the world, despite the fact that the service sector was practically absent, while in the "developed countries" it is at least 80% of GDP. And even now Belarus has such a potential that many "developed countries" have never possessed.
      As for Poland, we will look at its economy after the current stage of the general economic crisis is over.
  • bed111
    bed111 8 February 2016 22: 22
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Stalin - the main employer of world capital, the reactionary.

    Where do you get such a vigorous "grass"? Or does this alcohol work like that?
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 February 2016 01: 43
      0
      If you are able to read the text and understand the idea, then re-read again.
  • bed111
    bed111 9 February 2016 08: 05
    0
    Quote: iouris
    If you are able to read the text and understand the idea, then re-read again.

    Thoughts must be expressed clearly and clearly, you are a military man :-)
  • bed111
    bed111 9 February 2016 08: 11
    0
    Quote: iouris
    And even now Belarus has such a potential that many "developed countries" have never possessed.

    Things are bad here now. MAZ was cut by half. Minsk Tractor - by one third. Light industry is "lying". "Integral" - dies. The factories on the periphery are standing still. People are fleeing from villages and collective farms. And not even to Minsk - directly to Moscow or Europe. A janitor's salary in Minsk - from 100! dollars. The difficulties here are great now, of course ...