Military Review

Bayonet 6X5

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By the end of the sixties, the Kalashnikov assault rifle modernized AKM received a new bayonet-knife model 6X4. From their predecessors this weapon differed in the design of the handle and scabbard, facilitating the implementation of some auxiliary tasks. About ten years later, the AK-74, which was fully compatible with the existing bayonet, went into the series. Due to this, most of the AK-74 with the release was equipped with exactly bayonets 6X4. However, the last installments of these weapons, released in the late eighties and early nineties, received new bayonets like 6X5.


For several decades, automata were produced with bayonet knives of the original form with a beveled butt: 6X3 and 6X4. Such swords generally suited the military, but their form was often the subject of controversy. By the end of the eighties, these discussions reached the point that in the new draft of the bayonet it was decided to abandon the existing spent structure. Perspective bayonet was supposed to get a symmetrical blade dagger-shaped. Also, the handle should be reworked using modern materials and technologies. At the same time, the project 6X5 was supposed to preserve all the capabilities of the existing weapon for cutting various materials.

The main difference between the 6X5 bayonet and its predecessors was the shape and configuration of the blade. It was decided to abandon the asymmetrical shape and use the combat end with rounded edges. Both edges of this part of the blade received sharpening for stabbing. Like the previous samples of its class, the blade 6X5 received a one-sided sharpening, and a notch in the form of teeth was provided on the butt. There is also a rectangular hole in the blade, intended for connection with the scabbard when used as pliers.

Bayonet 6X5
6XX5 bayonet in the sheath. Photo Rusknife.com


Despite the design changes, the overall dimensions of the blade remained the same. Its length has increased from 150 to 160 mm, and its width has been reduced to 29 mm. Thus, differences in combat qualities should have been conditioned only by a new form of the blade. The overall dimensions of the weapon also did not change: the total length of the 6XXNNXX bayonet was 5 mm. Due to the use of new materials, it was possible to reduce the weight of the bayonet to 290 g - by about 220-50 g less than the 60X6.

The change in the design of the handle had the most effect on reducing the weight of cold arms. She retained the overall layout of the units, worked on the predecessors, but received a number of characteristic features. In the project 6X5 it was proposed to abandon a separate cross, lining and head. The new bayonet was supposed to get a plastic handle with the necessary elements integrated into it.

The main part of the handle, which served as a casing, was made of glass-filled polyamide. The central part of the plastic part had a smaller thickness in comparison with others and was designed to conveniently hold the bayonet, for which it had a groove and several transverse ribs. In the front of the extended part of the lining, it was proposed to fasten a metal crosspiece with a ring for mounting on the weapon barrel. As before, the ring had an inside diameter of 17,7 mm.


Bayonet knife without scabbard. The new shape of the handle is clearly visible. Photo Rusknife.com


Snap lock is still left in the head of the handle. The new bayonet had to be used with existing machines, because of which the design of its mounts was unified with the 6X3 and 6X4. Thus, he retained the main features of the installation systems, in particular, the internal elements of the head of the handle. In the upper surface (when installing the bayonet into the firing position) of the head, there was a groove in the form of an inverted “T” letter, which should have included the corresponding fastening under the barrel of the weapon. Inside the head there was a coil spring and a button with a latch. The control button was displayed on the right (in a firing position) side of the handle. In order to avoid abnormal operation, the button was in a small recess, protected by a collar.

By way of installation on the bayonet, the 6X5 type did not differ from its predecessors. The bayonet should be brought under the barrel of the weapon and put the cross ring on the muzzle of the barrel (in the case of the AK-74 - on the brake-compensator), and the slot in the handle to connect with the influx. Then, moving backwards, the ring was placed on the brake-compensator, and the handle latch was engaged with the influx of the barrel. In the combat position, the main blade of the blade was located on top, allowing to apply cutting blows. The double-edged, symmetrical combat end, in turn, made it possible to prick the enemy. To remove the bayonet, you had to press a button and pull it forward.

Over time, the value of the bayonet in its original quality gradually declined, which for a long time led to a change in views on its use. The bayonet 6X5 was no exception to the rule, because of which it was proposed to join the weapon only when it was possible to enter hand-to-hand combat. In all other cases, it was supposed to be in the sheath, performing the functions of an auxiliary cutting tool. For this reason, the new bayonet received a sheath, based on previous developments.


Bayonet and sheath. Photo Russianguns.ru


The sheath for the 6X5 bayonet had minimal differences from the sheath of the previous 6X4, which allowed not only to store the blade, but also to cut the wire barriers. The main element of the design of the scabbard was an elongated part that contained the blade. Its outer surface was covered with a polyamide pad with stiffeners, which also helped hold the sheath. On the bottom of the sheath there was a block with fasteners for a bayonet and a blade of nippers. By installing the bayonet on the mount, some materials could be cut using the bayonet and sheath as nippers.

Together with the main design features, the sheath for the 6X5 is "inherited" and a successful suspension system. On one of the side surfaces of the plastic lining, a thickening was provided with a metal axis for the carbine. The suspension consisted of a carbine, a metal plate with a loop, as well as two leather or textile straps. For suspension on the belt soldier offered a loop. Another strap with a clasp was supposed to be used to fix the bayonet in the stowed position.

The bayonet-type 6X5 was put into service in 1989 year, and at the same time mass production of such weapons began. The site for the production of new blades was Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant. On the blade of the bayonet and the sheath were applied the marks of the manufacturer and stamps of technical control. In addition, serial numbers of products were engraved on plastic parts. All such marks were applied according to the same scheme, regardless of the series. In this case, the bayonets of different series could have some external differences. Thus, plastic parts, depending on the raw materials used, could have a black or dark purple color. In addition, the shape of the grooves on the handle, depending on the foundry equipment, could be different.


Handles bayonets, visible latch control buttons. Photo Bayonet.lv


Initially, the 6X5 bayonets were supplied with AK-74 assault rifles. However, the new bayonets received a relatively small number of similar weapons, released in 1989-91 years. In the future, the production of automata of this model was discontinued due to the start of production of the upgraded AK-74M. The updated machine had a number of differences from the basic design, however, it retained compatibility with the bayonet of the existing model. For the use of the bayonet 6X5, the diameter of the muzzle of the brake-compensator was retained, as well as the influx under the front sight. It is noteworthy that the unification of fastenings allows using not only 74X6, but also bayonets of previous models with the AK-5М, but this is not a standard additional weapon.

There is information about the transfer of a license for the production of AK-74 machines and 6XXNNXX bayonets to the Bulgarian industry. The bayonets produced in Bulgaria had some differences from the base sample. They differed in the shape of the blade, the configuration of plastic parts and marking. Overall dimensions, architecture, mounting method, etc. remained unchanged.


AK-74 machines of different modifications with 6XXNNXX bayonet knives. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


In the early nineties, work was carried out on the creation of a promising automaton of the construction, GN Nikonov AN-94. Like other domestic machines, AN-94 had to be completed with a bayonet, as which the existing 6X5 was chosen. AN-94 received the original automation with a moving firing unit, because of which it was necessary to revise the methods of fastening the bayonet. The muzzle part of the brake-compensator of the new machine received the standard external diameter 17,7 mm, corresponding to the ring of the bayonet. The T-shaped influx, in turn, was transferred from under the trunk to the right lateral surface of the base of the front sight.

Such fastenings allowed to maintain full compatibility with bayonet-knife type 6X5, however, led to some changes in the appearance of the weapon. On Kalashnikov rifles, the blade of the bayonet was placed vertically under the barrel. On the Nikonov machine, in turn, the blade was proposed to be installed horizontally and to the right of the trunk. In this case, the main blade of the bayonet was directed to the trunk. Some sources mention some advantages of such a bayonet arrangement in comparison with the “traditional” one. In particular, it was argued that the “horizontal” bayonet simplifies the attack of the enemy, since it does not allow the blade to get stuck between the ribs, and also simplifies its removal for a second strike.

When developing Kalashnikov assault rifles, The hundredth series compatibility with existing bayonets has been maintained. At the request of the customer, such weapons can be equipped with 6X5 bayonet knives and fasteners for their installation. Mounts remain the same: the muzzle of a standard diameter barrel and the influx under the base of the front sight.


The bayonet 6X5 on the automatic machine AN-94. Photo Army.lv


On the basis of the combat knife bayonet 6X5, several civilian products were developed. Available mass-dimensional layouts, which is a modified version of the basic design. In addition, there are several options for knives, which differ from the bayonet by the design of the blade and scabbard, as well as not equipped with devices for mounting on the weapon. According to some information, similar products are produced both in our country and abroad.

The bayonet 6X5 was adopted and put into series in the late eighties. Such additional weapons were equipped with AK-74 late-series, AK-74M and “100th series” assault rifles. In addition, the use of such bayonets with the AH-94 was envisaged, however, in terms of their quantity, such weapons were significantly inferior to other samples. Thus, most of the bayonets of the new model were supplied with AK-74M guns.

At the moment, the bayonet 6X5 is the last weapon of its class, created and put into service in our country. Since the end of the eighties, attempts have been repeatedly made to develop new combat blades, but the army has not yet received a single new bayonet. The specificity of the use of bayonet knives affects their operation in the army, which, among other things, leads to a reduction in their role in combat tactics, and also affects operation. Thus, it cannot be excluded that 6X5 together with the previous 6X4 will form the basis of the “bayonet fleet” over the next few years, after which new samples of this class will appear, or the use of bayonet knives will be completely discontinued.


On the materials of the sites:
http://bayonet.lv/
http://bratishka.ru/
http://rusknife.com/
http://army.lv/
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 9 February 2016 06: 37
    17
    Interestingly, something has changed since the 90's, or is the steel of the blade as fragile? After 6X4, we did not count this as a knife either.
    1. ICT
      ICT 9 February 2016 07: 05
      10
      Quote: Good cat
      we didn’t consider this knife either.


      we had the same thing
      and they even could not bite the wire immediately dents remained

      they didn’t use it differently
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 9 February 2016 10: 19
        +7
        Yes, the quality and shape of the blade did not allow it to be used in any way .... Neither open a jar, nor cut bread / sausage .... But these bayonet-knives, in our regiment, unlike the old "redheads" were never lost and did not disappear .... Why "lose" it if the civilians did not want to buy it? ... I admit that this was the main idea when choosing the shape and material of the blade ...
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 9 February 2016 23: 11
          0
          Quote: DanSabaka
          Yes, the quality and shape of the blade did not allow it to be used in any way .... Neither open the can, nor cut bread / sausage ...

          I do not know how it was with you, but we have "new" (as they were called) bayonet-knives (6x5) in the brigade took root. and wire and canned food, and sausage with lard were cut better than "red" 6x4. with regards to "losses" - for a broken 6x4 guard (he loved to throw knives in all sorts of planes. It was blown that the bayonet-knife at one wonderful moment "almost stuck" into the stone with sad consequences for the knife and, even greater consequences for the "thrower") - received 7 days "lips" (as the brigade commander said with a malicious face - he got off easily).
          1. gergi
            gergi 9 February 2016 23: 52
            0
            The knife should not break from a blow. Three hefty men could not break my improvised hunting knife for an argument, no matter how they roam. The handle was mutilated, and the blade is all fucked up.
        2. lukke
          lukke 9 February 2016 23: 25
          -3
          Yes, the quality and shape of the blade did not allow it to be used in any way .... Neither open a can, nor cut bread / sausage ..
          the quality of the blade corresponds to the section in the defense budget and the purpose of these products, taking into account that the country does not go bankrupt if the valiant soldiers of the Red Army lose thousands of them in the first days of the war for one reason or another. It is intended for piercing strikes and it is not necessary to demand from it the ability to cut 20-30 carcasses of wild boars or moose in a row without sharpening, because those knives have a price of twenty. Also, do not la la that they can’t open canned food - you are not hungry. I have just such a model (I left it as a souvenir from the service))) there was a choice between the old and this - I took this one, because an old one with pieces of wood with a blade generally had a whip.
        3. gergi
          gergi 9 February 2016 23: 48
          0
          You can hurt poke, that's all. Shit is utter. Is it really impossible to make a normal knife for our army?
          1. lukke
            lukke 10 February 2016 11: 26
            0
            Is it really impossible to make a normal knife for our army
            They are, but we are talking about a bayonet-knife that comes with the AK in droves for narrow use and no more. In everyday life, a soldier will not use it anyway. he is most of the service in the "gunsmith".
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    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 9 February 2016 22: 53
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      Interestingly, something has changed since the 90's, or is the steel of the blade as fragile? After 6X4, we did not count this as a knife either.

      what is most interesting - it really was a KNIFE. in comparison with 6x4 it was not so "brittle" (it just so happened that he used, to the best of his ability, on urgent service and 6x4 and 6x5). by the way, in the gunsmith during training 6x4 were not sharpened (the cutting edge is absolutely not ready for cutting - as the young people told us - the bayonet-knife is sharpened during hostilities request ), but in the warhead 6x5 were ready for use. "young" loved 6x5 "because it is convenient to open canned food". laughing
  2. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 9 February 2016 07: 42
    +2
    And the bayonet-knife on the project Warrior? Anything known about him?
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 9 February 2016 10: 34
      +4
      Известно. http://rusknife.com/topic/15185-%D1%88%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%BA-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-6x9-
      1-%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9-6%D1%859/page-1
  3. BLOND
    BLOND 9 February 2016 08: 49
    +4
    Author Ryabov Cyril


    Thank you for the article! We look forward to continuing ...
  4. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 9 February 2016 09: 05
    +6
    A very interesting series of articles, I hope that we read about foreign bayonets.
    Cyril, thanks.
  5. Beaver
    Beaver 9 February 2016 09: 05
    +8
    or the use of bayonet knives will be completely discontinued.

    Thunder me, I can’t imagine a man, especially a military man, without a knife. No. A knife is a weapon, an instrument, a ritually symbolic thing, and in some places also a secondary sexual attribute laughing (in the sense of the detail of the decoration, demonstrating the male status of the carrier).
    The combat knife should be as versatile and reliable as possible, like all other items of military ammunition. What is bad is that it will have the ability to mount on a standard firearm for use in a single complex, increasing combat capabilities, i.e. chances to win? hi
    1. thinker
      thinker 9 February 2016 09: 44
      +4
      I support, and bayonet fighting is still relevant.
      http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/301620
    2. would
      would 9 February 2016 14: 25
      -1
      The main word here is "tool". The bayonet-knife in the conditions of modern warfare is unlikely to ever be used as a bayonet, and if there is such a unit IMHO can be considered destroyed. But here are the needs of cutting various substances, including edible ones, opening packages, and especially zinc cartridges, etc. have been and will be. And they need a knife.

      A bayonet battle as one of the elements of army hand-to-hand combat and the ARB itself is used as a general strengthening set of exercises.
  6. Skalpel
    Skalpel 9 February 2016 09: 41
    +4
    Absolutely suited with the first two colleagues - the steel of this knife is disgusting! Very fragile! Some kind of powder alloy resembles more than normal steel. Cutting the wire is one torment, and for the one who cuts and for the knife - there are notches and dents on the cutting edge.
    For practicing RB techniques with weapons, these knives were forbidden to be used after the blade of one of them broke off near the guard when stabbing (!) A blow on a car tire.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 9 February 2016 11: 15
      +2
      We were strictly forbidden to throw such a bayonet-knife into the trees, and the punishment would be corporal. But canned food opened without consequences. About the adoption into service in 1989 surprised. I served since 1988, we had. Moreover, it was a GO regiment, and not some special forces, although they were deployed in Riga, plus until mid-1989 a company of the guard of honor of the KPribVO, but with the SCS, which is understandable. Dembel you ... bistas tried to get stores and a bayonet-knife from a wooden AK-74 from a wooden (red), probably, they thought they would look prettier on a watch tower. But for frontsessy begged SCS. We also had a couple of AKSUs with a wooden fore-end in our warehouse, and I was wondering why he needed a special shape arrester with side chapels? They decided that warriors who were dumber would not attach a bayonet-knife.
  7. Andrewgross
    Andrewgross 9 February 2016 09: 49
    +2
    There is a series of knives from Boker based on the bayonet-knives for Kalashnikov: models AK-47, AK-74, AK-101. For example, I have one like this :)
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 February 2016 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: Andrewgross
      There is a series of knives from Boker

      What, how much?
      P / S I would like to read articles about the "folds" of what is on sale and how. Well, this is the type of advertising, if Kirill can write articles, the producers will fork out laughing You’ll come to arms. magician eyes run up.
      I myself use the "Chinese" so below the plinth, but mainly from the fur. saws, fragile bastard but holds the blade, I have a box of files, not bad for fleshing skins.
  8. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 9 February 2016 10: 41
    +2
    But what is interesting, how is Nikonov’s machine there? And then they accepted into service and silence ...
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 February 2016 10: 56
    +2
    ... acting as an auxiliary cutting tool.

    I waited for the author to write about this creation of a gloomy genius. I didn’t notice anything like that, apparently he just didn’t use it. Surprisingly unsuccessful knife, against the background of the previous ones. The shape of the blade and the material gave the impression that it was simply stamped from metal powder. In general, the only thing he was good for was hanging on a belt from a company headquarters duty officer. Not to mention the fact that they tried to cut the wire once, looked at each other and decided to never do it again, so you won’t even cut bread normally. It is amazing how such a product could be made, with a decent experience in the development and production of normal bayonet-knives, it turned out to be a curved bayonet, with a curved knife functionality.
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 9 February 2016 11: 43
      +4
      I immediately recall the words of the brave soldier Schweik when looking at the poster. And on the poster, an Austrian soldier beats a Russian soldier pressed against a brick wall with a bayonet. Schweik said the Austrian soldier is sorry - the bayonet will break - they will punish. And we got stamped shit out of shit and did not punish anyone - again the soldiers are to blame. In Azerbaijan, they tried to cut the barbed wire - oh, oh!
  10. aviator1913
    aviator1913 9 February 2016 11: 16
    +2
    I waited for the author to write about this creation of a gloomy genius. I didn’t notice anything like that, apparently he just didn’t use it. Tragedy and not a knife. The shape of the blade and the material gave the impression that it was simply stamped from metal powder. In general, the only thing he was good for was hanging on a belt from a company headquarters duty officer. Not to mention the fact that they tried to cut the wire once, looked at each other and decided to never do it again, so you won’t even cut bread normally. It is amazing how this could be done, with a decent experience in the development and production of normal bayonet-knives, it turned out just a curved bayonet, without a knife.


    The metal is similar to silumin) It looks beautiful when given from a warehouse, but quickly loses its appearance and sharpening. A friend being an orderly at the checkpoint while trying to rob him stabbed 2 of hooligans, 3 with knife blows, as a result, the knife was completely dull.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 February 2016 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: aviator1913
      as a result, the knife was completely dull.

      Yes, he’s generally stupid from memory, except opening cans of stews and zinc with cartridges was no good at all, who would hone the entrusted state property. The elder ... then he would.
  11. PKK
    PKK 9 February 2016 12: 25
    -6
    Harosh should beat our heads, some bayonet-knives with bullshit. Someone who needs it will find a bayonet and hook it to the machine, who don’t need it, will hook the collimator, flashlight, butt and forearm. There are still fewer people who want to carry this burden on themselves. know.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 9 February 2016 21: 36
      +1
      The bayonet is a useful thing. Even the Amer marines didn’t refuse it, so they drive with cabarets
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 17 May 2017 08: 08
        0
        The Americans really did not give up bayonet knives. Rather, there was a period when they were abandoned, but Kabar could not replace them in terms of functionality, and the M-9 was again returned to mandatory equipment, because It was never withdrawn from service. Even more, the MTR generally received a reduced (shortened) version of the M-9 bayonet-knife.
  12. Glot
    Glot 9 February 2016 12: 52
    0
    For two years, I haven’t seen my bayonet-knife in my eyes.
    I received my AKS upon arrival at MMG, picked up shops for it and ... that's it.
    Then he went to the first "point" ... the bayonet was lying somewhere, probably ... Then to the second. Then he was transferred to another unit, with his native AKS, he left there, and again ... without a bayonet.
    In other matters, I have never seen anyone among those who were with me. No one needed them.
    Although, they were somewhere of course. Somewhere ... laughing
    So on a demobilization I handed over my AKS, without it ...
    And there were knives. Everyone has their own. I had some kind of folding, with a lot of blades, a corkscrew and other crap and CHUST good. When I left, I gave the sklad to someone from the "young", and CHUST gave it to someone at home. smile
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 February 2016 16: 44
      +1
      Quote: Glot
      For two years, I haven’t seen my bayonet-knife in my eyes.

      We have such a machine, yes ... a bayonet knife, they steal. In the 90s there was such a thing, they caught the demobilization at the station, they didn’t count the pieces in part. Then they removed the knives from the guns. They left the guard, the commandant’s company, and outposts. And four knives for daily, different units.
      1. Glot
        Glot 9 February 2016 18: 42
        +1
        We have such a machine, yes ... bayonet knife, steal.


        No, they didn’t steal from us, they just didn’t need anyone.
        In one place, at all in the corner of the tent in a box some kind of heap was lying around, no one took them.
        And on the demobilization ... There are different ways. I have a friend of 6 pieces RGOshek took. laughing There were three of mine, but I later left him. By the time he got there, he had already blasted all six on barbecue. laughing
        RMB could be taken but, with this fool then where ?!
        A bayonet-knives ... what for they ...
        True, I'm sorry now. It was necessary to grab, as a keepsake. laughing
        1. marshes
          marshes 9 February 2016 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: Glot

          No, they didn’t steal from us, they just didn’t need anyone.
          In one place, at all in the corner of the tent in a box some kind of heap was lying around, no one took them.

          I apologize for the flag of Romania, if we take into account the Dniester, then the arms heaped.
          They stole the bayonet-knives, they sell some to cut the sheep. Though you don’t sharpen it, they are dull, Very bad. I wanted to rip a sheep, I made a good knife from a fur cloth with a razor sharpening) (, on a grinder. from the compressor valve.
          And so there are hunting knives from grandfather and father, the same garbage. The blade does not hold.
          1. Glot
            Glot 9 February 2016 19: 20
            +1
            I apologize for the flag of Romania, if we take into account the Dniester, then the arms heaped.


            Yes, with these flags there is some obvious dregs.
            I asked me to leave the USSR. It seems to be left, but now every hour the flags change.
            God knows what. laughing
            No, not Romania - Russia. And he served in Tajikistan, in one of the mangroups of the Moscow border detachment. smile

            As for the knives, yes there, everything is not easy.
            I used different ones, a scrap KA-BAR, an unkillable Glock-78, AF Rex Applegate and others ... I never found the ideal. laughing
            Although I now have it, made to order by the guys from the RVS "St. John's wort", I am satisfied. But, this is certainly not for the army / war. smile
            1. marshes
              marshes 9 February 2016 19: 36
              0
              Quote: Glot
              No, not Romania - Russia. And he served in Tajikistan, in one of the mangroups of the Moscow border detachment

              What year, what kind of outpost. So I'm the same ... Tail, or rather the boss. laughing Ours were also there in the neighborhood.
              Quote: Glot
              Although I now have it, made to order by the guys from the RVS "St. John's wort", I am satisfied. But, this is certainly not for the army / war.

              Yes, and no matter how you pick it up, it doesn’t work. But the bayonet has knives from M-16, Manas, and even figs.
              Bayonet knives are designed for mass, given that perhaps the owner is not a tenant.
              By the way, they showed on TV how a limited batch for the FSO was made, on the handle a carcass of 90 kg. hangs and does not break off. By the way, the blade is short, somewhere 120-150 mm. Already strange, this is not a REMBO knife. laughing
              1. Glot
                Glot 9 February 2016 19: 45
                +3
                What year, what kind of outpost. So I'm the same ...


                88-90, not an outpost, 4 MMG. smile

                Yes, that's how you can’t pick it up, it doesn’t work out.


                Bayonets are more difficult. And the knives, in my opinion, should be something like "Cherry" (HP-40), simple, cheap and convenient to open and cut the canned food, and cut the bread, and of course, like XO. And nothing more. smile
                1. marshes
                  marshes 9 February 2016 19: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Glot
                  88-90, not an outpost, 4 MMG.

                  Damn, I'm a little later, much later. As soon as the border was guarded by the Russians and Kazakhs, we were "asked" at 98. And so there were airborne forces and the BB, they had the biggest losses. Well, remember Pyandzh ...
                  Quote: Glot
                  Bayonets are more difficult. And the knives, in my opinion, should be something like "Cherry" (NR-40)

                  Is there a picture?
                  Quote: Glot
                  it’s simple, cheap and convenient, to open the canned food and cut the bread, and how XO of course. And nothing more.

                  Yes, I’m hunting for KURKHI, I want to buy the original Gurk knife. There, by the main knife, a small one for cutting and fire. Like the Caucasians, there is no souvenir for the original. By the way, the Chechen neighbor gave me a present.
                  By the way, the knife was made from a circular saw, cut with plasma, the same garbage. The best is a medical chisel, but the handle is not comfortable, the steel is slippery. The handle is made of birch, a wooden, normalized cedar in boiled linseed oil.
                  1. Glot
                    Glot 9 February 2016 20: 05
                    +1
                    Well, remember Panj ...


                    Yes, Panjik remember on both sides ...

                    Is there a picture?


                    No, there is no picture.
                    But you can score "Knife" Cherry "and" HP-40 "in the search, they will pop out.
                    In principle, "Cherry" is the same HP only with a slightly modified handle. In general, but stamping, it still serves.

                    yes here I hunt for KURKHI, I want to buy the original Gurk's knife.


                    Kukrya is a serious thing. Both the knife and the ax can be said. Heavy they are true, when massive, thick in the butt. But the thing!
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 9 February 2016 20: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Glot
                      Kukrya is a serious thing. Both the knife and the ax can be said. Heavy they are true, when massive, thick in the butt. But the thing!

                      A brother-in-law at ONA, Sierra Leone, was guarded by the gurkhi airbase, he said they were tough although they were about half a meter tall. He tried to buy a bait, nothing from one to his son. of what. laughing We can say this over the top, damn it, as it were ... sophisticated ... damn it in the tongue revolves ... become technological. laughing
                      1. Glot
                        Glot 9 February 2016 20: 32
                        +1
                        A brother-in-law at ONA, Sierra Leone, was guarded by the gurkhi airbase, he said they were tough although they were about half a meter tall. He tried to buy a bait, nothing from one to his son. of what. laughing We can say it over the top, damn it, as it were ... sophisticated ... damn it in the tongue revolves ... became technological.


                        No, I also want to get a kukri for myself. But not yet.
                        So then they are different for sale. Later I will definitely get it, while I wait. smile
                        But then again, what kind of kukri is the question. I don’t want to buy some kind of China. laughing
                        They are now skilled at faking EVERYTHING. laughing
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 9 February 2016 20: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Glot
                        I don’t want to buy some kind of China.

                        I have a couple of knives, well, for any business, China has not reached this point. Although there is a patent number on the knife with a laser and everything else. I had relatives in the United States, but it has everything. But as you sip, or rather take out. Even a lump with shoes, I almost had a problem, I exaggerate, but the brother-in-law, the sheriff’s service, accompanied us right before boarding the plane.
                        Sechas will deal with Dagistan blades, the brand seems to be Kubachevo, here is the brand and Zlataust, there are a lot of fakes. And not the big finks from them were famous for up to 120 mm.
                        By the way, I came to one blade, 90-130 mm, one side is sharpened under a razor, the second with a shallow file with one-sided sharpening. This is like a universal knife, a wood handle or like her cordura or .... something like that.
                      3. Glot
                        Glot 9 February 2016 21: 02
                        +1
                        I have a couple of knives, well, for any business, China has not reached this point. Although there is a patent number on the knife with a laser and everything else. I had relatives in the United States, but it has everything. But as you sip, or rather take out. Even a lump with shoes, I almost had a problem, I exaggerate, but the brother-in-law, the sheriff’s service, accompanied us right before boarding the plane.
                        Sechas will deal with Dagistan blades, the brand seems to be Kubachevo, here is the brand and Zlataust, there are a lot of fakes. And not the big finks from them were famous for up to 120 mm.
                        By the way, I came to one blade, 90-130 mm, one side is sharpened under a razor, the second with a shallow file with one-sided sharpening. This is like a universal knife, a wood handle or like her cordura or .... something like that.


                        Yes, when I look at Western online stores, they’re buoying.
                        What is there not only! And the price tags are acceptable, unlike ours for the same product. Although, now with this jump in the bucks-euro and the collapse of the ruble ... no longer come close ...
                        But a choice, anything.
                        Of course, you can't buy anything sensible from us. And XO is completely outlawed. Although complete nonsense! Everyone walks with knives, like household goods. That is, you cannot kill with this "household" laughing and recognized law XO - you can. laughing
                        You can even kill with an aluminum fork. So why not introduce licensing on it ?! laughing
                        In general, this is how we live. smile

                        Kubachi yes, a famous brand. The old one.
                        But Chrysostom is not very good for me. I do not know. And there are definitely enough fakes for them.
                      4. marshes
                        marshes 9 February 2016 21: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Glot
                        Yes, when I look at Western online stores, they’re buoying.
                        What is there not only!

                        I have a satellite dish, I see a lot of your programs, there on one channel there were not badly advertised knives of all kinds, brands but essentially in the hunt. who will give the store a check. Generally tell, by the way, I got into the saiga, it turns out you need to polish the fine skin, remove the burrs-Ragozin -.... laughing So I use the old double-barrel.
                        Quote: Glot
                        You can even kill with an aluminum fork.

                        So one know the opponent nailed with an electrode.
                        Quote: Glot

                        Kubachi yes, a famous brand

                        So they, well ... they do from sheet steel that they bayonet knives, they cut with plasma and Damascus they draw with a laser., That I have something under the Caucasian dagger.
                        What I saw in the USA, Texas, I was in shock in the store, there was a Browning machine gun on sale. And I liked the self-loading carbine under 7.62x39, this is the thing. We hunted for local roe deer, by the way from the USA there are much more impressions than from Germany and Holland, they are also relatives there. In Europe, with their limitations, this cannot be lived for senior citizens.
                      5. Glot
                        Glot 10 February 2016 05: 54
                        +1
                        So they, well ... they do from sheet steel that they bayonet knives, they cut with plasma and Damascus they draw with a laser., That I have something under the Caucasian dagger.


                        I won’t say anything here; I personally had no business with them.
                        Dealt with Damascus (knives) Pavlovskaya knife workshop Fedotov.
                        Very nice knives! Damascus is also good there. In general, I liked it.

                        What I saw in the USA, Texas, in the store I was generally in shock, there was a Browning machine gun on sale there. And I liked the self-loading carbine under 7.62x39, this is the thing.


                        There is a whole shooting culture. Armory even. We don’t have that, and I think it won’t be in the foreseeable future.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 9 February 2016 13: 01
    0
    AKS74U really needs a flame arrester - the barrel is short. The bush for "blank" shooting is the same for both AK74 and AKS74U. The bayonet was still there, but the blade was shorter and a little wider. And in general it looks like a regular one but we only cut the cakes for them, we didn't cut the sausages, it's very stupid. throwing (throwing) the handle is scary if it falls on a hard surface, it could split. And the AKS74U also has a handguard from AKM, it is of course made of wood.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 9 February 2016 20: 24
      +2
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      the bayonet-knife to the latter was still, but the blade was shorter and a little wider. and in general it looks like a normal one. but we just cut the cakes to them, the sausages are not cut, it’s very dumb. throwing (throwing) the handle scary when it falls onto a hard surface could break. AKM stands, it is of course made of wood.

      nonsense stop writing (highlighted in red), did you hold it in your hands? AKSU mounts are not provided for the bayonet-knife and the forend of his own and not with AKM.
  • Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 9 February 2016 13: 09
    +4
    So what brand of steel did he not make? Who knows what steel the old redhead was made of?
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 9 February 2016 14: 39
    +2
    Quote: ArcanAG
    And the bayonet-knife on the project Warrior? Anything known about him?

    Much better. All that is lacking is a seriatory sharpening.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 9 February 2016 14: 50
    +1
    Absolute guano, and not a weapon, begs for the language, designers are enemies of the people, well, I can not say otherwise about this.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 February 2016 15: 24
    +6
    What is the main function of a bayonet knife? (No elves? They faint again, poor fellows, as from the word "d ...") The main function of the bayonet-knife is to kill. The asymmetrical blade guaranteed extensive wound damage with profuse blood loss. That is, the most humane way of destroying the enemy - quickly, without suffering, with almost instant loss of consciousness on the one hand, and optimally in battle - no need to finish off, one blow is enough, minimizing the risk that the already killed enemy will have time to retaliate against the soldier ...
    Alas, enough people, obsessed with "aesthetics" and not burdened with at least some kind of thinking, have seeped into the leadership of the army. Why is this blade "better"? He's prettier. Not prettier (viduha - don't get up to fall, junk), but prettier, in the photo it comes out at times better. Proceeding from such considerations, the weapons and equipment of all the armies of the world were mutilated. But why join the anacephalus? Or maybe we will return more wigs?
    About brittle steel - and hehe not hoho? The bayonet copes with its purpose, but it should not be used for anything else. Have a knife, like adults.
    For those who have convinced themselves that the bayonet is "outdated". Did you recharge it when the realties? Or maybe the muffler is not working well on it? Scared to be in a bayonet? Understand. It's always scary in battle, you have to learn how to cope like that.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 9 February 2016 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      What is the main function of a bayonet knife? (there are no elves? They faint again, poor things, as from the word "d ...") The main function of the bayonet-knife is to kill. The asymmetric blade guaranteed extensive wound damage with heavy blood loss. That is, the most humane way to destroy the enemy - quickly, without torment, with almost instantaneous loss of consciousness on the one hand, and optimally in battle - no finishing, just one hit, minimizing the risk that an already killed enemy will have time to strike back .
      Alas, enough people, obsessed with "aesthetics" and not burdened with at least some kind of thinking, have seeped into the leadership of the army. Why is this blade "better"? He's prettier. Not prettier (viduha - don't get up to fall, junk), but prettier, in the photo it comes out at times better. Proceeding from such considerations, the weapons and equipment of all the armies of the world were mutilated. But why join the anacephalus? Or maybe we will return more wigs?
      About brittle steel - and hehe not hoho? The bayonet copes with its purpose, but it should not be used for anything else. Have a knife, like adults.
      For those who have convinced themselves that the bayonet is "outdated". Did you recharge it when the realties? Or maybe the muffler is not working well on it? Scared to be in a bayonet? Understand. It's always scary in battle, you have to learn how to cope like that.

      ===
      in addition, such a weapon should not penetrate deeply into the body / tissues, so as not to spend extra effort / time on pulling it out
    2. Skalpel
      Skalpel 10 February 2016 12: 37
      0
      Mikhail3 - a substantial review. Thank!
      But! I have already written that I witnessed how this "masterpiece" broke off when a stabbing blow was applied to the tire. Do you think that the density of a human body, dressed in field clothes, for example, in winter, with all the required unloading, will be several times less than a car / tire? For this shit ... blade to fulfill its function? The option with a armor is not even subject to consideration.
    3. Skalpel
      Skalpel 10 February 2016 12: 37
      0
      Mikhail3 - a substantial review. Thank!
      But! I have already written that I witnessed how this "masterpiece" broke off when a stabbing blow was applied to the tire. Do you think that the density of a human body, dressed in field clothes, for example, in winter, with all the required unloading, will be several times less than a car / tire? For this shit ... blade to fulfill its function? The option with a armor is not even subject to consideration.
  • cucun
    cucun 9 February 2016 17: 27
    +1
    The fragility of steel is due to the rapid (if necessary) release of the machine. Those. if stuck in the body it was easier to break off the blade. In general, the lower the cost of the weapon, the better.
    Do not offer a club wink
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 9 February 2016 20: 27
      0
      Quote: cucun
      The fragility of steel is due to the rapid (if necessary) release of the machine. Those. if stuck in the body it was easier to break off the blade. In general, the lower the cost of the weapon, the better.
      Do not offer a club wink



      and in the mosquitoes with bayonet fragility everything was in order, no one in their bodies got stuck and did not break ???
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 9 February 2016 21: 47
        +3
        There the bayonet was needle-shaped, but here the flat knife, the designs are different, the behavior is different, they didn’t come to this right away, so the bayonet knives for carbines are quite durable, but for brittle.
  • 15 apr
    15 apr 9 February 2016 23: 41
    0
    In the 90s officially, the command offered to buy bayonet-knives. The lawyers apparently wrote off the trunks, and there was nowhere to put the knives.
  • Vanya2013F
    Vanya2013F 10 February 2016 00: 04
    +1
    But these GAVNOM could hammer nails. A heavy dog. But someone I remember on the emery sharpened it and then it rusted at the point of sharpening. And the new ones immediately went stupid. In short ..... useless. And in order for them to pierce someone else, it is necessary to try.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 10 February 2016 05: 31
    +1
    The war in the Donbass showed what a knife and a small sapper (MPL 1915-1985, probably the most successful instance) are in skillful hands ... ... you write off cold weapons early
  • Rosty
    Rosty 10 February 2016 11: 13
    +3
    The bayonet in modern conditions should be a universal tool. Look at the bayonets of Sweden, Finland. That 6x4, that 6x5 have blades made of red-hot steel - they cough and prick under load. The bayonet is heavy - I'd rather take the lines of a magazine with cartridges or a grenade, plus a light knife. Prick? Now bulletproof vests have become the norm in all armies. It is possible to penetrate, but with a tanto blade, as in the case of the Germans, or with a narrow blade. There is a new technique of knife fighting, with the application of cutting attacks on unprotected places, but our bayonets are not suitable for this. Special forces order bayonets for themselves, there are 5-6 options for today. Why do theorists decide what a fighter needs in the field?
  • Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 11 February 2016 10: 06
    0
    this is not a bayonet, but a shame. Neither cut the wire nor pierce the pea jacket. And God forbid to drop this shit - immediately breaks in half