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Iran has decided to abandon the purchase of tanks T-90

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Iranian News Agency More publishes a statement by the commander of the ground forces of the country, Ahmad Reza Purdastana. Iranian general told media that Iran is not going to acquire Russian Tanks T-90 Earlier, the acquisition of these tanks by Iran was spoken by both representatives of the Iranian authorities and representatives of the Russian authorities. A group of Iranian specialists was supposed to leave for Russia at the end of last year to prepare for the signing of the contract.


Iran has decided to abandon the purchase of tanks T-90


Ahmad Reza Purdastan argued the position of the Iranian side as follows (translation "Vedomosti"):

The Russian T-90 is one of our favorite tanks. But Iran currently intends to meet the need for tanks at the expense of own-produced vehicles.


In Tehran, they say that the issue of purchasing T-90 tanks from Russia is "off the agenda."

It should be recalled that in November last year, Russia began to supply Iran with the C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems. Previously, the implementation of the contract was frozen on the grounds that the Russian authorities decided in a strange way to correlate the air defense system with offensive weapons, on which supplies to Iran were banned on the basis of a specialized UN Security Council resolution.
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  1. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 2 February 2016 14: 01
    108
    All is correct. They escaped from isolation, more opportunities and much more money appeared, they no longer need us. That is why there are no friends in politics, but partners.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 2 February 2016 14: 05
      +1
      "Mikhail Krapivin (2) RU Today, 14:01
      Everything is correct. They broke out of isolation, there were more opportunities and a lot more money, they don't need us so much. That is why there are no friends in politics, but there are partners. "After your comment, I have the impression that you, like that abandoned, old, fat wife, reason.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 2 February 2016 14: 08
        53
        From the text of the article
        currently intends to meet the need for tanks with its own production vehicles

        Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
        Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.
        1. maxiban
          maxiban 2 February 2016 14: 40
          -35 qualifying.
          Most likely they will buy abrams.
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          2. Alex_Rarog
            Alex_Rarog 2 February 2016 16: 55
            +5
            Abrams in the ass, no one but mattresses needs anyone ... There is the same leopard which is better in many respects ... Yes, and Lerek and Chinese cars are not bad ...
          3. the most important
            the most important 2 February 2016 18: 57
            +5
            Quote: maxiban
            Most likely they will buy abrams.

            The Hussites .... from those that were taken from the Saudis. laughing Iran cannot even make a semblance of a T-90. Yet experience is needed and a developed industry. Having desire is not everything ... most likely the price is being knocked down!
          4. kryuger.mark
            kryuger.mark 2 February 2016 18: 59
            +1
            Iran and the USA have no contacts, and if any, they are minimal.
          5. ordin64
            ordin64 2 February 2016 19: 00
            +3
            Comrade Sukhov would say: "Well, this is unlikely."
          6. Hon
            Hon 2 February 2016 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: maxiban
            Most likely they will buy abrams

            It is doubtful that they will be sold to Abramsov. In general, it is doubtful whether the purchase of tanks from any NATO member is cheap China or expensive Korea, the most likely options, if at all
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        3. bulvas
          bulvas 2 February 2016 14: 42
          24
          Quote: Tatiana
          From the text of the article
          currently intends to meet the need for tanks with its own production vehicles

          Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
          Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.



          Yes, in China they were going to buy, or make their own in Chinese

          In vain did they sign a 600 billion contract with the Chinese?

          Much more will come into this contract from the fact that they were going to buy from us.

          On the other hand, it is more profitable for them to buy from China - for oil

          1. Altona
            Altona 2 February 2016 15: 38
            +7
            Quote: bulvas
            Yes, in China they were going to buy, or make their own in Chinese

            ------------------------
            That’s most likely ... A tank is a machine, it must be done in a large series, and not 10–50 cars, like in Ukraine, not be cut on the knee. In Iran, it will be very expensive and a bad copy like Turkish Altai to South Korean K2 and Leopard ...
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 2 February 2016 16: 31
            +4
            Quote: bulvas
            Yes, in China they were going to buy, or make their own in Chinese
            Perhaps .. although the 600-billion-dollar contract with China may contain something more in connection with missile technologies, new communication networks, IT - Iran, being a long time in a certain isolation, has thoroughly lagged behind in matters of modern technical and technological equipment.
            Of course, better products and equipment are best purchased in the West, in Korea, with us, after all! But in China, it’s cheaper, and sometimes not worse, although almost everything is lapped around the world ..
            As for the T-90 - do we know much about their combat use? But Iran, it knows, and precisely in conditions close to it, is not for nothing that the IRGC is participating in the war against Daesh in Syria. Something embarrassed them, maybe ..
            Well ... don't forget about the MARKET: you also need to be able to sell. And here ours are clearly inferior to the same Chinese! In addition, India's statements about the purchase of the Su-35 are fresh in my mind: how long did it take to “break down” in front of the French? And what is the result? BOUGHT all the same "Rafali".
        4. iConst
          iConst 2 February 2016 14: 45
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana
          Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
          - This is one of the factors. Making your own tank is not such an easy task.

          I think the reason is that they don’t want to buy Western tanks (yes, most likely, they will not sell them in the foreseeable future), and the level of modern anti-tank weapons, coupled with the crew sitting on the powder keg, is an unacceptable level of probability of crew death. Even for the T90.

          Maybe this is a prelude to the order of Almaty?
          1. PKK
            PKK 2 February 2016 15: 29
            0
            The same thought flashed about Armata. The T90 would become outdated by the time of the receipt of the order. Or that something anti-tank appeared that we don’t know about. About the Chinese, perhaps, but it’s not very impressive, the same song, only from a different hillock.
          2. ilya_oz
            ilya_oz 2 February 2016 16: 47
            +7
            Prelude to buying cheap Chinese tanks.
          3. Alf
            Alf 2 February 2016 21: 50
            0
            Quote: iConst
            Maybe this is a prelude to the order of Almaty?

            Who will sell them Armata? I heard somewhere that the Chinese already wanted to buy Armata, but our MO refused, saying Export deliveries will only begin after the contract for the Russian Armed Forces has been fully completed.
        5. Blondy
          Blondy 2 February 2016 15: 15
          16
          Such passions flared up, such minuses rained down.
          This is a common trade. He came, looked, asked the price, scratched the back of his head, I’ll buy it - no, I won’t buy it ... then again, and further along the cycle. And bargain (can there be espetacles here)? These are eastern people - they will not respect themselves. In general, there was no PR in advance.
          1. iConst
            iConst 2 February 2016 16: 20
            0
            Quote: Blondy
            Such passions flared up, such minuses rained down.
            This is a common trade. He came, looked, asked the price, scratched the back of his head, I’ll buy it - no, I won’t buy it ... then again, and further along the cycle.
            - Nah! The fact of the matter is that this is not ordinary trading!

            This has become a kind of candy bait in the political and economic fuss. laughing

            The fact is that Iran also produces its tanks. Although inferior to the T90, but with modern anti-tank weapons, the difference is not so great.

            And their Zulfikar-3 in a number of indicators is comparable to T90. They, in fact, only develop remote sensing and active protection (or buy) - and that’s all.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 2 February 2016 16: 41
              +2
              Quote: iConst
              This has become a kind of candy bait in the political and economic fuss.

              You don’t give a damn about these tanks. Iran is helping Syria with its soldiers, that’s their main sweetie and our interest. Tanks are nothing compared to this.
            2. quote
              quote 2 February 2016 16: 52
              +5
              Quote: iConst
              And their Zulfikar-3 in a number of indicators is comparable to T90. They, in fact, only develop remote sensing and active protection (or buy) - and that’s all.

              There are no exact data on the number of tanks produced. Sources call numbers from 100 to 150 Zulfikar-1 tanks. New Zulfikar-3 are under development and testing, and there are up to 10 prototypes.

              Zulfikar has a welded tower of Iranian design. It is believed that the Iranian main battle tank Zulfikar was developed mainly on the basis of components from the Soviet T-72S, as well as American tanks M48 and M60. The suspension is designed based on the suspension from the M48 and M60 tanks.

              The transmission is also a localized version of the SPAT1200 installed on the M60. It is reported that Zulfikar-1 has a weight of 36 tons and is equipped with a 780 hp diesel engine. Some sources [which?] Point out the similarities between the design of Zulfikar and the Brazilian prototype of Osorio.

              The crew of Zulfikar consists of three people. An automatic loader is also considered borrowed from the T-72, production is carried out in Iran. A 125-mm 2A46 smoothbore gun, inherited from the T-72 and equipped with an ejector, is installed on the tank. Despite earlier reports, available photographs show that Zulfikar-1 does not have automatic projectile delivery. Auxiliary armament consists of 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm machine guns. For the Zulfikar / T-72 tank fleet, the Iranian military-industrial complex produces 23 kg shells with an initial velocity of 850 m / s, equipped with a standard propellant charge of 3 kg.

              Zulfikar-1 uses the same fire control system EFCS-3, made in Slovenia, as in the T-72Z ("Safir-74"), which allows firing in motion. Perhaps a turret warning system is installed on the tower that has a fire control system with a laser rangefinder or uses laser illumination of the target. The design of the tanks allows you to install dynamic protection on the armor.

              Zulfikar-3 has a slightly different shape of the hull and tower. The weight is increased to about 50 tons and to compensate for the speed, a more powerful engine of 1000 hp is installed. A turret with a 12.7 mm remote control machine gun was installed on the tower. The entire tank is covered with a camouflage net to hide in the IR range.

              Once we made the T-90! iConst! How easy it turned out in your words. And no institutes (steel and alloys, etc.) are needed. And the "school" of tank building, "lifelong", is it nonsense?
            3. avt
              avt 2 February 2016 17: 28
              +1
              Quote: iConst
              The fact is that Iran also produces its tanks. Although inferior to the T90, but with modern anti-tank weapons, the difference is not so great.

              Actually, they bought a license for the T-72 and put them in the 90th wassat it is necessary to try. But these are still flowers. And here are the berries - they are not buying the Super Budget for them. According to, but quite aerial buses, pieces of 140 with hook and ATR turboprops of 40 pieces, well, 20 + 20, and there are bombers licked by 60 pieces. We slept in the opportunity to sell them the Tu-204, which we ourselves had killed, and Il 114 more not soon it will become a series, well, An148 purchased, mass-produced and strangled from us - they remove it from the Civil Air Fleet, although the cars flew 500 hours a month! Well, the MC-21 is a chicken in the nest, which is mo-o-o- It may be that by the end of the year it will lift the ass, and competitors from Boeing to the Chinese are ALREADY in the air.
        6. st25310
          st25310 2 February 2016 16: 22
          +3
          Hindus faced big challenges in their new generation XICF $ 17bn FICV production program. The problem is compounded by the presence of obvious technological difficulties that India has already passed in the case of its Arjun tank, which turned out to be so bad that the local armed forces refused to buy it. Iran does not have a better tank school ...
        7. avdkrd
          avdkrd 2 February 2016 16: 34
          +8
          Quote: Tatiana
          Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
          Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.

          If Iranians buy tanks from another country, it will be an indicator of mental illness. Firstly, there are not so many manufacturers of really good tanks in the world, and most of them either will not sell them to Iran, or will most likely promote them. Secondly, it is Russia, selling tanks and other equipment, that shares technologies, that is, it helps with the creation of production and creates jobs. For Iran, there is not so much choice where to buy tanks, either Russia or China. Russian tanks would be a more logical choice, if only because it is better to acquire primary technology, moreover, the performance characteristics of "purely Chinese" tanks are often mythological in nature. For example, in the Type-96, which participated in the biathlon, the caterpillars are analogous to the T-55 caterpillars, which is archaic in itself, but the reason for the breakage was the shell (manufacturing defect), that is, the Chinese in any very sophisticated tank can find old solutions from which they cannot refuse in view of the technological impossibility. China, of course, economically for Iran is a more important partner, but there is no economy without politics, and politically, we have done incomparably more for Iran.
          Iran most likely postponed the issue of buying tanks in favor of more necessary things for its army, since no competitors have been heard about, or maybe it's just a diplomatic veil. Time will tell.
        8. zennon
          zennon 2 February 2016 20: 07
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
          Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.

          So their own economy and jobs, or will they buy it elsewhere? From their own they have full-time "Zulfikar". Something based on the T-72, current weighing 36 tons. A strange cross between the chassis - from the M60, the gun and the automatic loader from the T-72 , well, and on the little things they also pulled something. Tank building, dear Tatiana, is an incredible alloy of scientific thought, engineering school, exceptional analysis of advanced production. What of this is now in Iran, which has been isolated for 36 years? These are 3 modifications of Zulfikar, and there is no normal data on performance characteristics.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 2 February 2016 14: 09
        +4
        In Tehran, they say that the issue of purchasing T-90 tanks from Russia is "off the agenda."

        Iran is stepping on our same rake - as we are with the S-300 contract.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 2 February 2016 14: 15
          28
          Quote: СРЦ П-15

          Iran is stepping on our same rake - as we are with the S-300 contract.

          Thank you iPhone! I made friends. Now Iran will consider any contract through the prism of the contract for the S-300 air defense system. And we will lose a lot.
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 2 February 2016 18: 54
            +2
            An iPhone for the S-300 would generally have to tear off its head!
            1. avdkrd
              avdkrd 3 February 2016 02: 43
              +1
              Quote: Saratoga833
              An iPhone for the S-300 would generally have to tear off its head!

              The iPhone with its liberal inclinations causes a persistent feeling of incompleteness, but in fairness it should be noted that even if we assume that he himself made a decision on the S-300, then his "mistake" could have been canceled a long time ago, or even immediately.
              For all its merits, GDP can make mistakes (and makes), and it can also be subject to pressure, both external and internal. Such a decision could be a compromise with the United States on another issue, it could simply be a shortcoming of analysts, the result of an incorrect assessment of the situation, an attempt to play honestly with the United States. Maybe on the contrary, an absolutely verified and correct decision - we don’t know all the factors affecting the supply failure, we only know the official reason for the refusal. But it’s obvious that Ayfonchik couldn’t make such a decision on his own.
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      4. xan
        xan 2 February 2016 14: 40
        +9
        Quote: Observer2014
        I get the impression after your comment that you, like that abandoned, old, fat wife, reason.

        Freudian slip.
      5. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 February 2016 16: 03
        +1
        OGO! How "they understand the refusal to buy Iran T-90 !!!!!! This is M-O-L-O-D-C-Y !!!!!! Ha, ha, ha!
      6. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 2 February 2016 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: Observer2014
        I get the impression after your comment that you, like that abandoned, old, fat wife, reason.


        Bad news for you, colleague. In the form of a red two-digit number in the upper right corner of your comment.
      7. avva2012
        avva2012 2 February 2016 16: 32
        0
        Observer2014 -69; Mikhail Krapivin + 69

        Local time: 21 hours. 30 min. Stop the moment ...
      8. Oquz
        Oquz 2 February 2016 22: 01
        0
        Iran is not a friend to anyone! and he never was! this is a country of two-faced Farce!
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    3. atalef
      atalef 2 February 2016 14: 20
      34
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      All is correct. They escaped from isolation, more opportunities and much more money appeared, they no longer need us. That is why there are no friends in politics, but partners.

      And Iran has already abandoned everything
      1 SuperJet Purchases
      Reactor Buildings (given to China)
      Tanks
      Lukoil admission to the Lukoil deposit found
      Withdrew all parts from Syria.

      Ally. how did Lavrov say that?
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 2 February 2016 14: 31
        +9
        Quote: atalef

        And Iran has already abandoned everything
        1 SuperJet Purchases
        Reactor Buildings (given to China)
        Tanks
        Lukoil admission to the Lukoil deposit found
        Withdrew all parts from Syria.

        Ally. how did Lavrov say that?

        Hahaha.
        Kindle ?!
        1. heccrbq8
          heccrbq8 2 February 2016 15: 10
          +4
          Separates to rule!
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 2 February 2016 16: 43
          +3
          And Iran has already abandoned everything
          1 SuperJet Purchases
          Reactor Buildings (given to China)
          Tanks
          Lukoil admission to the Lukoil deposit found
          Withdrew all parts from Syria.
          Ally. how did Lavrov say that?

          Quote: Bulls.Ha ha ha. Kindle ?!

          Everything, as usual, is Russia between Burkina Faso and Swaziland. Whether it is a civilized country with a decent per capita income. Where, to us, Sivolapim.
        3. shans2
          shans2 2 February 2016 22: 06
          +1
          the usual tactics of mice), but it works even better against the mice themselves, Iran is a vivid example of this, mice are curious that he breaks out into regional leaders of the BV, not the mouse
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 2 February 2016 14: 33
        +9
        Creaking heart forced to agree. No arguing against the facts.
        A year ago, when euphoria was in full swing over the unbreakable friendship with Iran, somehow everything went too smoothly. Too smooth, suspiciously smooth to be true. That is the moment of truth.
        The only consolation is that there is no country in which all Wishlist are fulfilled.
        1. xan
          xan 2 February 2016 14: 45
          +9
          Quote: Pereira
          Creaking heart forced to agree. No arguing against the facts.
          A year ago, when euphoria was in full swing over the unbreakable friendship with Iran, somehow everything went too smoothly. Too smooth, suspiciously smooth to be true. That is the moment of truth.

          Something a lot of comments with reservations on Freud. Who thought Iran was a friend? Yes, and some indestructible friendship. Kindergarten.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 2 February 2016 15: 00
            +3
            Not in this case.
            No one considered Iran to be a disinterested friend, if you do not take into account the zomboyagu journal, which created a positive mood among the population.
            Those who are more or less familiar with history believed that the interests of the two countries coincide and will coincide for a long time. It turned out not very long.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 February 2016 15: 28
              +7
              Quote: Pereira
              Those who are more or less familiar with history believed that the interests of the two countries coincide and will coincide for a long time. It turned out not very long.

              What do you mean??? Iran has provided ITS airspace for the combat aviation of the Russian Federation, performing combat work in Syria and the passage of our "Calibers"! Isn't that proof of a friendly attitude? And the economy, like everywhere else, is apart. Here who will offer the best.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 2 February 2016 16: 51
                +2
                No, this is a temporary coincidence of interests. This is not friendship. Friendship is when they sacrifice their own interests for the sake of a friend.
                If you have a different definition of friendship, I will listen with interest.
              2. atalef
                atalef 2 February 2016 16: 53
                +1
                Quote: GSH-18
                what are you ??? Iran has provided ITS airspace for combat aircraft of the Russian Federation, performing combat work in Syria and the passage of our "Calibers"!

                Why not ? If they fight instead of him.

                Quote: GSH-18
                Is this not evidence of friendship?

                Why resist it then?
                Quote: GSH-18
                And the economy, it is like everywhere else. Then someone will offer more profitable.

                but of course.
                It’s interesting, and if Russia demands from its own (as many called Iran 0 ally - not to sell gas to Europe, what will Iran answer?
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 2 February 2016 19: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  It’s interesting, and if Russia demands from its own (as many called Iran 0 ally - not to sell gas to Europe, what will Iran answer?

                  We need not to limit Iran in gas supplies to the EU, but to interfere with Israel, for example, which is at least not our friend and not even an ally.
                  Israel wants to become one of the main suppliers of gas to Europe, pushing Russia away.

                  Israel has invited European Union countries to invest several billion euros in a pipeline to supply their natural gas to Europe, so that it becomes a replacement for the Russian one. The proposal was voiced by Israeli Energy Minister Sylvan Shalom at a meeting with energy ministers from the Mediterranean countries gathered in Rome earlier this week. According to the publication, Shalom noted that deliveries through this gas pipeline will reduce the dependence of Europe on Russia.
                  REFERENCE: The Tamar gas field in Israel was discovered in 2009, and in March 2013, commercial production of blue fuel was started here. Geologists estimate its reserves at about 8,5 trillion cubic meters. However, there is more to come: 130 kilometers north of Haifa, the Israelis discovered another field, the Leviathan, which contains about 16-18 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. Currently, drilling is underway here, and it is expected that this field will also be commissioned in 2016.

                  The final decision to begin work on the plan will be made in Brussels, where Israel intends to submit its proposal in three weeks. It is planned that the pipeline will pass first from the Tamar field in Israel to the island of Cyprus, and from there to Greece and Italy.
                  Another option is to build a pipeline to Egypt for liquefied natural gas plants in Damietta and Idku in the northern part of the Nile Delta.
                  The agreement should be signed before the end of 2014. The cost of the contract is more than $ 60 billion. Noble Energy and the Delek Group are already negotiating for the delivery of 180 billion cubic meters of gas from the Tamar and Leviathan fields from the Israeli shelf. With the subsequent transportation of this gas to Europe.
                  And if these projects are implemented, Israel is able to completely save the countries of the European Union from the need to deal with the Russian Gazprom
                  Thus, we see the EU’s ever-increasing efforts to find alternative gas suppliers, and the desire to please Washington and “punish” Russia for its independent policy plays an important role here.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 February 2016 20: 05
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    We need not to limit Iran in gas supplies to the EU, but to interfere with Israel, for example, which is at least not our friend and not even an ally

                    Of course, not an ally and Russia never harnessed for Israel, but harnessed for Iran, named an ally, and he had a bouquet in the face.
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 2 February 2016 20: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Of course, not an ally, and Russia never harnessed for Israel

                      And you won’t run into it because it knows if we only turn away and you stab a knife in our backs and if it wasn’t very clear with Turkey, for example, an Israeli blow to the breath or a knife in the back is guaranteed.
                      Quote: atalef
                      but harnessed for Iran, named an ally, and he has a bouquet in the face.

                      Again, I hear empty words from you, but just a simple lie - well, where can Iran tell us "with a bouquet in the face"?
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 2 February 2016 20: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And it will not run into because it knows if we only turn away and you put a knife in our back

                        Well, Israel, unlike Turkey or Iran, didn’t stuff into allies, or stick a knife.
                        We are neutral and careful. After Khrushchev, we prefer to stay at a distance
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I hear five empty words from you, but just a simple lie - well, where tell Iran us "with a bouquet in the face"?

                        Well, if you promise (like in gratitude for your support) and do nothing, but even the grandmother who the West froze, take and give it to the West and China under new contracts. for which Russia hoped - if it is a friendly gesture?
                        Tell Vatnik, who transfers the money to the IRGC or BASIDGE?
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 2 February 2016 21: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, Israel, unlike Turkey or Iran, is not allied

                        Oh, do not tell fairy tales, you are Israelis constantly on all forums "whine" - yes, we are a quarter of your people, yes we are almost Russian and other rubbish lol
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, if you promise (like in gratitude for your support) and do nothing, but even the grandmother who the West froze, take and give it to the West and China under new contracts. for which Russia hoped - if it is a friendly gesture?

                        Who when and what promised what our country hoped for? Or do you, as always, invent something again and how do you present the truth here?
                        Quote: atalef
                        Tell Vatnik, who transfers the money to the IRGC or BASIDGE?

                        Well, unlike you, no one pays me, but you’re definitely at the orthodox on the content lol
                2. Pereira
                  Pereira 2 February 2016 20: 09
                  +4
                  Padded jacket, with all due respect to your position, Iran has more degrees of freedom than Russia. The motivation for his actions is incomprehensible to us. Israel is secondary here.
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 2 February 2016 19: 53
              +1
              Has provided. Do not deny. But not the fact that Iran is ready to go to the end.
          2. good7
            good7 2 February 2016 15: 31
            0
            No, why does it not coincide? Iran has always been considered, by analogy with a red rag for a bull! Arabian monarchies spend money on the fight against Iranian influence!
          3. co-creator
            co-creator 2 February 2016 17: 10
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            No one considered Iran to be a disinterested friend, if you do not take into account the zomboyagu journal, which created a positive mood among the population.

            And what was not positive? With tanks and nuclear power plants themselves are to blame when their contracts for the sake of it is not clear to whom they did not fulfill. They removed parts from Syria. since there was a turning point and they did their part. In Iran, several generals were killed there. Why so the Russian Federation and Assad Iranians?
            Lukoil needs to offer normal conditions, then they will be allowed. In fact, we have Iran, our main ally there, and while he will be, we have a gesheft in Syria.
      3. 34 region
        34 region 2 February 2016 15: 05
        +2
        Pereira! 14.33. Yes, there is such a country. In North America. With a striped flag and stars.
      4. almen1
        almen1 3 February 2016 04: 54
        0
        Or maybe breaking these contracts is a "undercover" condition for lifting the sanctions?
    4. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 14: 39
      19
      Quote: atalef
      And Iran has already abandoned everything
      1 SuperJet Purchases
      Reactor Buildings (given to China)
      Tanks
      Lukoil admission to the Lukoil deposit found
      Withdrew all parts from Syria.

      Are you making up again? smile
      He bought airplanes from Europeans because we are not Chinese, they simply cannot provide such our only civilian aircraft, the Superjet-100, has a range of about 3000 kilometers and can only fly in Iran’s aisles to nearby countries, they also need long-range airplanes.
      We also build reactors there in particular Bushehr-2.
      Tanks Iran is forbidden to sell.
      Withdrew all military units from Syria, this is generally just nonsense. By the way, I would like to ask if there were regular troops from Iran?
      1. Lanista
        Lanista 2 February 2016 15: 12
        +2
        Burn napalm, colleague. 3000 km of Iran is a new word in geography.
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 2 February 2016 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Quote: atalef
        And Iran has already abandoned everything
        1 SuperJet Purchases
        Reactor Buildings (given to China)
        Tanks
        Lukoil admission to the Lukoil deposit found
        Withdrew all parts from Syria.

        Are you making up again? smile
        He bought airplanes from Europeans because we are not Chinese, they simply cannot provide such our only civilian aircraft, the Superjet-100, has a range of about 3000 kilometers and can only fly in Iran’s aisles to nearby countries, they also need long-range airplanes.
        We also build reactors there in particular Bushehr-2.
        Tanks Iran is forbidden to sell.
        Withdrew all military units from Syria, this is generally just nonsense. By the way, I would like to ask if there were regular troops from Iran?

        In fairness, SSZh-100 - 4500km range.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 2 February 2016 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: Muvka
          In fairness, SSZh-100 - 4500km range.

          Well, I won’t argue that way, but for Iran, with its distances, it’s still an airplane for domestic transportation.
          Although here on this site "dig" there the data is somewhat different.
          Superjet (SSJ-100)
          http://superjet.wikidot.com/
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 2 February 2016 15: 43
            +2
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
            There is a sign. Their 2 versions - one at 3000 km, another at 4500 km.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 2 February 2016 15: 54
              0
              Quote: Muvka
              There is a sign. Their 2 versions - one at 3000 km, another at 4500 km.

              Well, let 4500 km. it doesn’t really matter.
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 2 February 2016 16: 56
                +1
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Quote: Muvka
                There is a sign. Their 2 versions - one at 3000 km, another at 4500 km.

                Well, let 4500 km. it doesn’t really matter.

                Well, so I wrote that to restore justice ... :)
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 2 February 2016 16: 17
            0
            .... but for Iran, with its distances, it’s still a plane for domestic transportation ....

            ... Domestic transportation is also needed and they occupy a very large share in the total volume of transportation .... And 3000km .... It is possible to fly to Spain .... Not everyone needs to go across the ocean .... hi
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 2 February 2016 16: 27
              +2
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              Internal transport is also needed and they occupy a very large share in the total volume of transport

              So, he has not yet purchased airplanes for domestic transportation.
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              And 3000km .... It is possible to fly to Spain.

              Distance from Tehran to Madrid - 4784 km
              Distance from Tehran to Beijing - 5606 km
              But you can fly to Moscow smile
              Distance from Tehran to Moscow - 2465 km
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 February 2016 17: 03
                -2
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Distance from Tehran to Madrid - 4784 km
                Distance from Tehran to Beijing - 5606 km
                But you can fly to Moscow
                Distance from Tehran to Moscow - 2465 km

                What are you saying . and when they said they would buy. none of them knew about this. laughing
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 2 February 2016 19: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  What are you saying . and when they said they would buy. none of them knew about this.

                  Well, once again, especially for you, we do not have and China does not have medium and long-range aircraft, we ourselves buy them from the USA and the EU.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 February 2016 20: 07
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: atalef
                    What are you saying . and when they said they would buy. none of them knew about this.

                    Well, once again, especially for you, we do not have and China does not have medium and long-range aircraft, we ourselves buy them from the USA and the EU.

                    Well, what are you harnessing for Iran - it’s understandable, a Shiite Azerbaijani, but you probably forgot which country you live in?
                    Or Russian interests are already on the side. Iran above all?
          3. atalef
            atalef 2 February 2016 17: 02
            -1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Quote: Muvka
            In fairness, SSZh-100 - 4500km range.

            Well, I won’t argue that way, but for Iran, with its distances, it’s still an airplane for domestic transportation.
            Although here on this site "dig" there the data is somewhat different.
            Superjet (SSJ-100)
            http://superjet.wikidot.com/

            Yes . then no one in Iran knew about this before the sanctions were lifted
            As it became known, during a visit to the MAKS-2015 aerospace show in Russia, the Iranian delegation signed a number of contracts worth $ 21 billion, the Sputnik news agency reported.

            According to this information, Iran is interested in buying Russian Sukhoi Superjet-100 aircraft, as well as satellite equipment, said Manuchehr Mantegi, head of the Iranian Aviation Industry Organization.

            He did not say exactly how many planes are planned to buy.

            It should be noted that Iranian Vice President Sorena Sattari, who visited MAKS 2015, said then that Iranian airlines would be able to buy Russian civilian aircraft Superjet 100 and Tu-204CM if they were offered good financial conditions.

            but only the sanctions were lifted - right there
            Iran agreed to buy 114 civilian aircraft from a European airline manufacturer Airbus, Iran’s Minister of Transport said on Saturday, January 16, ahead of the anticipated lifting of international sanctions on Iran.

            "We have taken the first step towards concluding a contract with Airbus for the purchase of 114 aircraft," Abbas Akhundi is quoted by the TASNIM news agency as quoted by the news agency.

            but it took only 5 months between one message and the second.
      3. atalef
        atalef 2 February 2016 16: 59
        -1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        He bought airplanes from Europeans because we are not the Chinese, they simply cannot provide such

        Yes ? Strange, but before that (while there were sanctions) - he promised to buy 100 superjets and long-haul mains. He promised and ...
        or do you think. what is Russian aircraft worse?
        Quote: quilted jacket
        We also build reactors there in particular Bushehr-2.

        According to one of the memorandums, China will modernize the heavy water reactor in Arak. Another document provides for the construction of a number of small nuclear power plants in the Bushehr area,

        And Rosatom could not do anything of this? or did China help Iran more than Russia?

        Quote: quilted jacket
        Tanks Iran is forbidden to sell.

        Yes ? And so he refused? and where is it written? it is said clearly - he will do it himself, the contract has been canceled.
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Withdrew all military units from Syria, this is generally just nonsense. By the way, I would like to ask if there were regular troops from Iran?

        And now there were no Iranians there at all - a new tale by Vatnik.
        first you yelled before losing your pulse. how the Iranians put their lives there for Assad and Russia. but as they fled, so they weren’t there.
        padded jacket. people have a good memory.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 2 February 2016 18: 39
          +3
          Airbus, as far as I know, can enter into leasing. The Russian Federation has no attendants and such an opportunity. The same is with oil - Lukoil has no opportunity to invest, especially with such oil prices. Amer. the giants are curtailing investing in new fields, not even Lukoil.
          Iranians need money, so they will "fraternize" with those who can give them. Unfortunately, the Russian Federation cannot help. For example, the refusal to build a state district power station in Kyrgyzstan. The project is profitable, but "long".
          The Iranians, after they come to their senses after the sanctions and earn money, will themselves start looking for markets for the same villages. products, textiles, etc. And they will be vitally interested in the TS, it is logical - they will not go anywhere. 80 mil. Iranians - large in number. the country will have to trade for its development. And then the neighbors, the market with 180 mil. - it seems logical. In the west of Iran, everything is still very unstable, we and Pakistan remain. Iran has many times expressed its interest in the construction of pipes to the north - both to the EU and to the PRC. And in this he is vitally interested. So there are many trump cards in hand in competition with others. So there is no "jealousy" towards Iran - only business, and then time will tell. hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 February 2016 20: 08
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            Iranians need money, so they will "fraternize" with those who can give them

            Yesterday, 100 billion, 100 billion, -Karl, or rather Kasim, were unblocked to Iran.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 2 February 2016 21: 09
              +2
              Alexander, would you spend this money on the fact that it will not give economic returns? They need the whole oil and gas infrastructure, which makes profit, to be modernized. They need investments in the fleet and fields. I think that a competent owner will invest in something that will give a return; and only then, from profit, on such things. Well, they will buy tanks that will also suck (fuels and lubricants, spare parts, personnel, etc.), what will they have from this?
              I think they refused from these considerations. hi
              They wake up from the sanctions and then borrow. The military, when they were under sanctions, were in the forefront - now they are more at home. business interests - everything "decayed" under sanctions. As far as I remember, only investments in oil and gas. the industry requires over 70 billion.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 2 February 2016 23: 23
                0
                Alexander, I suspect that these 100 billion are Iran's gold reserves abroad. And that kind of money is not allowed into the furnace. For example, Kazakhstan has over 91 billion gold reserves, but we do not allow them to do such things. For example, we are building infrastructure. Roads, airfields, railway, we repair and change water supply, sewerage, etc. - nobody will build or repair it for us. Since this year, the Nurly Zhol project is being launched, the construction of highways from Astana in all directions. I want to make a digression. Our parliament has "resigned". Why and why? After all, the Nur Otan party is sitting there (99%)? I suspect that because of Nurla Zhol. The deputies put their paws on the project (the people stubbornly repeat). Well, the National Academy of Sciences and its party are not comme il faut to arrange a showdown - that is why they dismissed them. hi
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 2 February 2016 21: 21
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              100bn unlocked to Iran yesterday

              And what do you think he should immediately distribute them to the right and left?
              And you know, for example, that we also buy technology and equipment for the oil and gas sector abroad and almost all of our civilian aircraft fleet from the USA and the EU.
              So what "nonsense" you say smile
              By the way, an Iranian goes to us for four days, what do you think he will do here?
              Iran’s Advisor on International Affairs arrives in Moscow on an official visit.
              Moscow, February 2. Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev discussed with the adviser to the Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Akbar Velayati the situation in Syria and the Middle East.
              Iran’s adviser on international affairs paid an official visit to Moscow to discuss bilateral issues with the Russian leadership. During the meeting with Patrushev, the prospects of cooperation between the two countries to ensure international security, as well as the situation in Syria and the Middle East as a whole, were examined.
              Velayati also held talks with the Special Representative of the President of Russia for Syria, Alexander Lavrentiev, with whom they discussed issues affecting the situation in Syria. In addition, the topic was raised about the interaction of Iran and the Russian Federation, in particular the quadripartite coalition against terrorism.
              Earlier, Tehran stated that it was ready to cooperate with Moscow in all areas, including nuclear energy, the defense industry and regional cooperation.
              http://fapnews.ru/226572-predstaviteli-irana-i-rf-obsudili-v-moskve-situatsiyu-v
              -sirii /
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 2 February 2016 19: 52
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          or did China help Iran more than Russia?

          You don’t know anything, but, as always, you’re building a smart guy smile
          In 2015, bilateral trade between Iran and China decreased by more than 30% and amounted to approximately 34 billion dollars
          http://www.oilru.com/news/497348/oilru.com
          Iran-Russia trade turnover: 2012 $ 2,2 billion, 2013 $ 1,2 billion, 2014 $ 1 billion, 2015 - <$ 1 billion
          Quote: atalef
          Yes ? And so he refused? and where is it written?

          Your favorite RBC smile
          Iran lifts sanctions for renouncing nuclear weapons

          Arms embargo will be applied to Iran for five yearswhile deliveries of weapons are possible provided that the “notification and verification procedure is passed through the UN Security Council,” Lavrov said (quote from TASS).
          The five-year preservation of the embargo will not affect the delivery of Russian S-300 air defense systems to Iran, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax. “S-300 air defense system is a purely defensive system that did not fall under sanctions neither when they were introduced in 2010, nor now, when, as a result of negotiations between Iran and the Six, an agreement was reached to extend the arms embargo by five years, ”the source said.
          http://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/07/2015/55a534909a79476ef3fa8e66

          Quote: atalef
          people have a good memory.

          People have a good memory, but where are you?
          Quote: atalef
          And now there were no Iranians there at all - a new tale by Vatnik.
          first you yelled before losing your pulse. how the Iranians put their lives there for Assad and Russia. but as they fled, so they weren’t there.

          I’m not a paid troll like you always tell the truth - there were and are Iranian advisers and volunteers.
          The only case where the Iranian troops "showed up" in Syria was the Aleppo region, and even then it is not clear whether these are regular troops or ordinary Iranians who came to the aid of their brothers.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 February 2016 20: 23
            0
            Quote: quilted jacket
            you don’t know anything, but, as always, you’re building a smart guy
            In 2015, bilateral trade between Iran and China decreased by more than 30% and amounted to approximately $ 34 billion

            Neither what? I ordered reactors in China. why?
            Yes, because spitting in the well is a common thing for Iranians


            Quote: quilted jacket
            The five-year preservation of the embargo will not affect the delivery of Russian S-300 air defense systems to Iran, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax. “S-300 air defense system is a purely defensive system that did not fall under sanctions

            Are planes and Lukoil the same under the embargo?
            Quote: quilted jacket
            I'm not a paid troll like you always tell the truth

            padded jacket, well, not the first day on the site, you lied twice in one sentence
            Quote: quilted jacket
            The only case where the Iranian troops "showed up" in Syria was the Aleppo region, and even then it is not clear whether these are regular troops or ordinary Iranians who came to the aid of their brothers.

            And where are they all now?
            Iran withdrew all volunteers, leaving only instructors. Why? And why the hell to fight. Russia will do everything for him, but he will not allow Lukoil for it
            МEnergy Minister Alexander Novak October 21-22 visited Iran and held talks with his colleague Bijan Zangane. Moscow and Tehran are ready to expand bilateral cooperation. Russia has a number of advantages compared to Western countries. Our country did not support sanctions against Iran

            Lukoil expects to return to Iran after lifting the sanctions, its president Vagit Alekperov said. "MBefore introducing these restrictions (against Iran), we actively worked on geological exploration and discovered the Anaran field. Unfortunately, we were forced to leave after entering restrictions. We hope that the political dialogues that are ongoing today will open up the possibility of investing in Iran in the medium term. We would like to return to this field»

            and in the end zilch
    5. iConst
      iConst 2 February 2016 14: 50
      +9
      Quote: atalef
      Reactor Buildings (given to China)
      - Where did the wood come from?

      To my knowledge - Russian reactors, Chinese funding.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 February 2016 17: 04
        -2
        Quote: iConst
        Quote: atalef
        Reactor Buildings (given to China)
        - Where did the wood come from?

        To my knowledge - Russian reactors, Chinese funding.

        According to one of the memoranda, China will modernize the heavy water reactor in Arak. Another document provides for the construction of a number of small nuclear power plants in the Bushehr region, whose reactor capacity is 100 megawatts.

        Salehi’s Chinese counterpart Xu Daje congratulated Iran on meeting the conditions set by the international community, and said that the signed documents only mark the beginning of a fruitful nuclear cooperation.

        in the nuclear field. not financial.
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  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 2 February 2016 14: 33
    +2
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    All is correct. They escaped from isolation, more opportunities and much more money appeared, they no longer need us. That is why there are no friends in politics, but partners.

    Maybe im Armata hottsa
  4. Simon
    Simon 2 February 2016 14: 45
    +9
    The Indians also created their own tank and realized that they all get a huge piece of metal that could barely crawl through the desert and had to buy T-90 tanks in Russia. I think that Iran will step on the Indian rake. Russia has extensive experience in creating tanks, and Iran will start almost from scratch.
  5. 34 region
    34 region 2 February 2016 15: 00
    +2
    Krapivin! 14.01/XNUMX. Why bother Iran? Why are they obliged to buy from us? Maybe they consider the purchase of tanks not relevant? Moreover, there are real military operations at hand. Maybe they need a drone tank.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 February 2016 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: 34 region
      Krapivin! 14.01/XNUMX. Why bother Iran? Why are they obliged to buy from us? Maybe they consider the purchase of tanks not relevant? Moreover, there are real military operations at hand. Maybe they need a drone tank.


      If this really interests you, here is my answer. It's not about tanks, it's about. We helped them when it was difficult for them. Not perfect, it turned out ugly with the S-300, Medvedev ... a bastard, but they helped with what they could. They promised to buy these tanks. I think if the sanctions were extended, they would certainly buy them. But the sanctions were lifted, freedom of choice appeared, all sorts of thoughts got into our heads - maybe we shouldn’t owe them anything for their help, but why should we buy these tanks from them, and in general, they owe us, for life .. And what they will have better things to do, the more they will have such thoughts and the less desire to go towards us. And so it will continue until the next sanctions. Which, by the way, is just around the corner - for testing launch vehicles. Then we’ll talk with them about tanks ... :)
  6. Pajamas
    Pajamas 2 February 2016 15: 05
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    All is correct. They escaped from isolation, more opportunities and much more money appeared, they no longer need us. That is why there are no friends in politics, but partners.

    Perhaps this is the answer to our talks with Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
    1. kayman4
      kayman4 2 February 2016 15: 10
      +1
      "own production" is the Soviet-designed T-72 tanks, so don't panic.
  7. 70BSN
    70BSN 2 February 2016 15: 13
    0
    Yes, not just the cost they put up very expensive ..... In our country, this is a problem ..... An example of this is our auto industry))))))
  8. GSH-18
    GSH-18 2 February 2016 15: 19
    +1
    Earlier, the execution of the contract was frozen on the grounds that the Russian authorities decided in a strange way to correlate air defense systems with offensive weapons, the supply of which was banned to Iran on the basis of a relevant UN Security Council resolution.

    What's so strange about that? The author of the article is not aware that the anti-aircraft missiles of this complex have a mode of destruction of ground targets? This has been said more than once on our central channels. This mode is also preserved for the Treumph missiles that are on alert at our base in Khmeimim.
  9. Berg berg
    Berg berg 2 February 2016 15: 25
    +1
    Though read for a start the source code of the article! they don’t want to buy our tanks yet, but they want to make them under their license! They need technology! Clever, after all!
  10. vanya
    vanya 2 February 2016 15: 53
    +1
    Iran’s tank corps itself is able to do it, but the most difficult and expensive: namely, it will buy a complex of weapons, fire control, an engine, a transmission, and I won’t be amazed if its tank is from t 72 or t 90 will differ only in name.
  11. co-creator
    co-creator 2 February 2016 16: 35
    +1
    Nonsense. They produce their own, so why do they need ours. Iran and I have a common warrior in Syria, it is there that he is our ally. The Persians will now place orders in the west. to protect yourself from sanction, and rightly so. We have other products.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 February 2016 17: 07
      0
      Quotation: blooded man
      Nonsense. They produce their own, so why do they need ours. Iran and I have a common warrior in Syria. It is there that he is our ally.

      Yes . only he brought his entire contingent
      Quotation: blooded man
      The Persians will now place orders in the west. to protect yourself from sanction and rightly so

      strange approach. and that orders prevent new sanctions 7 rather the opposite. just now thawed 100 billion. that were in the west. banks .. but would be in Russia-you look and did not freeze.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 2 February 2016 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Yes . only he brought his entire contingent

        So there barmaley shchimat. At the peak moment when everything was very bad they were there and several generals died there by the way. Special forces there climb in any way. I don’t even doubt it. They opened their airspace to us. We have one position on Syria. Well, Yemen, there are great resources of the Saudis.
        Quote: atalef
        strange approach. and that orders prevent new sanctions 7 rather the opposite. just now thawed 100 billion. that were in the west. banks .. but would be in Russia-you look and did not freeze.

        So for this, they thawed so that at least half would go to Europe for various orders. If the sanctions are introduced again, then Europe will not receive anything. Tehran understood everything correctly or the agreement was like that.
        What does Russia have to do with its banks?
  12. sir_obs
    sir_obs 2 February 2016 16: 53
    0
    And who else will sell them the tanks, the Americans? Or Ukrainians, God forgive me?
  13. SAXA.SHURA
    SAXA.SHURA 2 February 2016 17: 24
    +1
    They’ll do it right, if they promise you something, and then they don’t give it to looking at some uncle, it’s a bit of a bitch, there was nothing to kiss Uncle Sam in the ass, the proud Iranians are backgammon.
  • just exp
    just exp 2 February 2016 14: 01
    -15 qualifying.
    Yes, Iran has already begun to lick the west, it is his gratitude to us for not letting him drown because of the nuclear program.
    1. anfil
      anfil 2 February 2016 14: 05
      +9
      The Russian T-90 is one of our favorite tanks. But Iran currently intends to meet the need for tanks due to cars of own production.


      And where is he licking the west ?!
      1. Simon
        Simon 2 February 2016 15: 01
        +1
        Not only in Russia, this tank is the most beloved, but also in India. But Iran, I think Iran will lose a lot if it creates its own tanks, which will be largely inferior to modern tanks. It would be easier for them to buy a license from us, at least for the manufacture of T-72 tanks, or at least the modernized T-72 tanks.
      2. cap
        cap 2 February 2016 15: 20
        +6
        Quote: just EXPL
        Yes, Iran has already begun to lick the west, it is his gratitude to us for not letting him drown because of the nuclear program.

        Quote: anfil
        The Russian T-90 is one of our favorite tanks. But Iran currently intends to meet the need for tanks due to cars of own production.


        And where is he licking the west ?!

        Let's look at the whole picture of the situation with Iran.
        The argument that Iran is licking something is absolutely wrong for someone. The Americans went to the lifting of sanctions against Iran against the will of Israel, which was very against lifting the sanctions. That is, Obama went against the most powerful lobby in the US Congress, the Jewish.
        Here we can say that in the game who the first to blink won Iran.
        Naturally, the first thing is the revival of oil production, which accordingly will require energy costs for production and processing. Burning oil to produce electricity is stupid. The issue with nuclear power plants is acute, we must do it quickly and preferably cheaper. Mr. Kiriyenko could ask for more time and, accordingly, money. There is no clarity with Bushehr. Then the Chinese fussed. Who are you to blame? Competition.
        On tanks you can read in different ways. And we want and prick and we want tanks and it is desirable to produce ourselves. Then the office of Mr. Rogozin could well show the cookie. Take tanks, drawings and technologies you will receive later, right after Easter. So the question remained suspended, and it is such because the real battles in the same Syria will show that Iranian tanks only plow the land in the field, and not fight. When they understand, they will agree on both the price and the conditions. And the fact that they bring us fruits and vegetables instead of Turks, thank you very much. During the sanctions, they got so many problems to list for a long time. And the fact that besides them (Iranians) on historical dunes with Turkey no one knows better knows in Washington. Therefore, they grit their teeth, but they don’t do anything radical. And who is right time will tell. Something like that. hi
      3. just exp
        just exp 2 February 2016 19: 41
        0
        and you read how they threw our aircraft industry.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 2 February 2016 14: 33
      +1
      Quote: just explo
      this is his gratitude to us

      But is Iran not personally grateful to you?
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 February 2016 14: 02
    +9
    "Iran has decided to abandon the purchase of T-90 tanks"
    Ну и что?
    1. In search
      In search 2 February 2016 16: 18
      +3
      "Iran has decided to abandon the purchase of T-90 tanks"
      Ну и что?

      And that is true. Maybe people have strained money so far, maybe our not-so-interesting conditions have been set, maybe some other backroom games are going on. The problem is that we don’t know all the details, and some immediately rushed to condemn.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 2 February 2016 14: 02
    10
    The master is the master ...
    It’s evident that they don’t have so much money to buy such equipment.
    I do not think that there is any political motive behind the refusal to purchase.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 2 February 2016 14: 20
      +5
      sever.56
      I do not think that there is any political motive behind the refusal to purchase.

      I think so too.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 February 2016 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      The owner is the master ... It’s evident that they don’t have much money to buy such equipment. I do not think that there is any political motive behind the refusal to purchase.

      Yes, with the money they seem to be also not all bad.
      With the lifting of the sanctions regime, Iran was unfrozen bills of $ 100 billion, which they can now use. Most likely, as it is written above, they have an ambitious plan for the development of their machines in order to develop their military-industrial complex and not depend on the supply of spare parts and components. This can be understood. But if they really buy it from the outside, then it will definitely smell like politics.
  • Conscience
    Conscience 2 February 2016 14: 03
    -5
    I don’t believe that they refused.
    they don’t refuse the best.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 February 2016 14: 05
    15
    Iran wants its own tanks. But the light on it has not converged. We have someone to load production capacities for. For example, for ourselves.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 2 February 2016 14: 12
      +9
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Iran wants its own tanks.

      According to the source of “Lente.ru” in the defense industry, we can talk about intensive trade of the Iranian side for a contract for licensed production, and not for direct deliveries of tanks from Russia. A similar release of the T-90S is deployed in India and is currently being established in Algeria.
      The tank industry of Iran has experience in assembling the T-72S large-site - 300 vehicles were assembled in the second half of the 1990s from Russian car kits. In addition, since 1997, the development and production of tanks of the Zulfikar family has been ongoing, which are the development of the T-72S (in particular, armed with the Soviet 125 mm 2A46 cannon) with a suspension developed on the basis of the designs of the American tanks M48 and M60.http: // lenta.ru/news/2016/02/02/iran/
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 14: 14
      +6
      Generally I can not imagine what kind of tanks talk?
      Sanctions from Iran in the field of procurement Offensive armaments, which include tanks and armored personnel carriers and military aircraft and ships, have not been removed and they will operate for about five more years.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 2 February 2016 15: 13
      +1
      Stormbreaker! 14.05/XNUMX. For myself, this is certainly good. That's just the question. And we pull it financially? A tank is not a means of production. It won’t bring profit, but it will suck. Tank purchase, service. Will we pull?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 February 2016 16: 51
        0
        So, the army is generally a costly thing for the state. And pensions for the elderly and much more are not profitable, but where would they be without them request Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I think that tanks are universal and not replaceable on the battlefield. How quickly they can go from defense to offensive. And how deadly it can be for the enemy! Although, if you would spend denyuzhki (within the defense budget ) to other weapons systems, I do not mind. This can be discussed!
  • Koresh
    Koresh 2 February 2016 14: 08
    +4
    I would update the Iranian Air Force once they are aimed at the tanks of their production. And Russian SU-shki or Migi would be very useful for the Iranians.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 2 February 2016 15: 01
      +3
      Expensive Air Force update. But objectively you are right. Probably the most vulnerable spot in the Iranian Armed Forces.
      I think the MiG-35 would fit perfectly into their needs.
      Dryers have an excess radius for Iran. the most longest distance of Iran is about 2200 km. Although the price of the MiG is not known. It is said to be close to Su. Then you can "9SMT or already Su-30cm, to be sure.
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 2 February 2016 15: 35
        +2
        Although not in the subject, but I will answer. The commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces wrote on our resource that the MiG-35 will be purchased because it is much cheaper than the Sukhikh family. With AFAR, it cost 45 million. green, with a slit "Beetle" it will cost around 30 million green. It is in this price range that it is now being driven, the country needs a cheap, super-maneuverable fighter, and the more expensive options with AFAR are for abroad, the same Iran was very interested in them, Egypt is also showing interest. The price for dryers starts from 65 million green, then 80 million, 90 million Su-35 with PAR, 120 million green with AFAR, t-50 under 180-200 million green, where you can see an approximation here cost to Dryers? Prices are heaven and earth. So they don’t have enough money for everything, a common thing, there are priorities, at the moment, they may spend money on combat aircraft, frankly speaking, they are not new at all.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 2 February 2016 17: 13
          0
          Quote: dyksi
          The MiG-35 will be purchased because it is much cheaper than the Sukhoi family

          I heard that he is approaching the price of the su-30SM. I am not saying that the price is the same. There may be a difference of 10 million and there is, but the SU has a much larger combat radius, which is extremely important for our space. It seems like RSK MiG is also working on this.
          Quote: dyksi
          120 million greens with AFAR,

          AFAR for the Su-35 has not yet been finalized. Irbis flies with FAR and most likely will fly for a long time. AFAR will already be put on the PAK FA. The thing is very expensive.
          Quote: dyksi
          T-50 at 180-200 million

          This is generally taken from the ceiling, because there is still basically no export option. The first will be Indians, and then they will have to wait another 5 years.
          And in general our Glavkom. often fantasizing. He is headed by the PR department.

          Nevertheless, I believe that the MiG-29SMT would be ideal for Iran. Maneuverable, lightweight, fairly cheap to operate and to purchase. What else does? they essentially don’t need an AFAR there either. Sometimes a good headlamp can be more profitable in battle. The area of ​​the country is not large, if there are good ground-based radars, then head on. I would have bought a couple of A-50s from us, and it's really cool. they are only under the sanctions of the poor, they are breathing in the wings.
          In practice, I think that they will not buy anything from us regarding the Air Force. Would there be an agreement or plans, would send the pilots for retraining to us. They are with our equipment, sort of like ALE. You can pair them with the Yak-130, let them learn laughing
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    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 February 2016 14: 10
      +3
      Quote: Ivar
      Iran, like any normal country, wants first of all to develop its military-industrial complex, without buying similar equipment abroad without an urgent need!

      Moreover, objectively, the T-90 is far from being a child prodigy.
      1. Simon
        Simon 2 February 2016 15: 24
        0
        The creation of their tanks for Iran will be a big problem. It is necessary to create metallurgy, mechanical engineering, electronics, research centers, to create engineering personnel and skilled workers, and this is a big financial investment. If, yes, they take some modern tank as the basis, then you can still get a tin can, since the technology for making armor is stored under the stamp of secrecy.
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 2 February 2016 15: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Ivar
        Iran, like any normal country, wants first of all to develop its military-industrial complex, without buying similar equipment abroad without an urgent need!

        Moreover, objectively, the T-90 is far from being a child prodigy.

        T-90SM is quite a prodigy :)
  • mpzss
    mpzss 2 February 2016 14: 10
    +2
    they don’t want to, well, let them do what they can
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 2 February 2016 14: 11
    +1
    I think that the "unblocking" of Iranian accounts is fraught with such harsh conditions that the Persians will not see their money on such a large scale that Iran could rush into serious breakthrough purchases or investments.
    I also do not exclude that this is a consequence of Russia's support for the sanctions 2008 and 2012.

    But Iran currently intends to meet the need for tanks with its own production vehicles.


    The likelihood of the production of such complex equipment as a modern tank independently, by such a country as Iran, looks a bit comical, because not so many countries can make weapons, but only those who have worked out the full development / production cycle, of which there are only a few in the world, therefore one question: will it be a joint venture with Russian participation or Chinese ...
    1. Samen
      Samen 2 February 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: AlexTires
      The likelihood of producing such sophisticated equipment as a modern tank on its own, by a country like Iran, looks a little ridiculous, because not many countries can make weapons

      There is nothing "comical" ... You do not know the technological capabilities of Iran. I can remind you: Modern Iran has the ability to enrich the fuel. And rivets its own rockets ... etc., etc.
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 2 February 2016 14: 12
    +2
    Quote: Ivar
    Whiners, read again the words of the commander: "Iran currently intends to satisfy the need for tanks at the expense of machines of OWN production"! That is, Iran, like any normal country, first of all wants to develop its military-industrial complex, without buying similar equipment abroad without an urgent need!

    And where did Iran come from the technological chain of production of tanks, did not think ?? Money has appeared, and technology can also be purchased from the west, thereby saying thanks to him for lifting the sanctions.
  • Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 2 February 2016 14: 13
    +4
    Thanks to DAM (Medvedev), we were shown that we are an unreliable partner. I procured a delivery of s-300, which could still be expected.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 2 February 2016 15: 38
      +1
      Well, why are you attached to DAM with these S-300s?
      Did he personally make this decision, although he was listed as president?
      Well, you don’t know who makes such decisions over the past 15 years in Russia?
      Well, just like small children, I swear ...
      I don’t understand one thing - what the hell is Putin and Lavrov so "rested their horns" at the UN Security Council, in Geneva on the lifting of sanctions against Iran?
      Was it not clear to them that Iran would "throw" Russia and switch to China, India and Europe ?!
      What is the BENEFIT for us - the Russians from this? Can we be glad that Iran will throw an additional 1 million barrels of oil per day to the market in the next year or two?
      Or maybe our valiant diplomats should have recalled the history of our relations with the Persians? Griboedov at worst?
      Do our rulers seriously think that Iran will "butt" with anyone for our (Gazprom's) interests in the BV?
      By God, all this is not clear .....
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 February 2016 14: 15
    +9
    The T-90 is an export tank, made for the Indians. Iran has a "Zulfikar" - its own development, a cross between a "bulldog with a motorcycle" - our 72nd and amerovsky M-60 (suspension). Any normal military man knows that it is impossible to fight with purchased weapons (to fight, not to drive the rebels). At any time, deliveries may stop. Therefore, they rationally will produce everything that they can.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 February 2016 14: 16
    +1
    You never know which country refuses some purchases. This is a global trend. Everyone began to consider and save. Iran is no exception. It is hardly necessary to make a topic out of this. Yes, and you must respect yourself.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 2 February 2016 14: 16
    +2
    Quote: Koresh
    I would update the Iranian Air Force once they are aimed at the tanks of their production. And Russian SU-shki or Migi would be very useful for the Iranians.


    I fully agree with Komrad, the Air Force and Air Defense in addition, for them it is more necessary than tanks at the moment
  • Engineer
    Engineer 2 February 2016 14: 17
    -1
    The sanctions were lifted and Iran is already flying into the friendly embrace of the West. On the contrary, you must do it while you have the opportunity to arm yourself. And nothing precipitates the ardor of Western democracy as much as the view of the 125mm trunk of our tank. Oh, they will regret more than once about this miscalculation.
  • GRAY
    GRAY 2 February 2016 14: 18
    +8
    Really decided "Zulfikar" to rivet?
    In addition to the main modification of the Iranian Zulfiqar-1 tank, Zulfiqar-90 and Zulfiqar-2 combat vehicles were manufactured at the end of the 3s. Zulfiqar-2 looks somewhat different from the main version with a new tower and the installation of bulwarks. The Zulfiqar-3 uses an advanced undercarriage with seven rubber track rollers. On these tanks, an SLA with a laser range finder, an automatic loader, and a night vision thermal imaging system were introduced. The tanks are equipped with a power unit V-84MS with a capacity of 1000 hp. Useful combat mass increased to 40 tons. The main reservation was strengthened on the tanks and the ability to install dynamic protection systems was included.
    Modifications:
    Zulfikar-1 - the first prototype was shown in 1994. The tank combines design solutions and components from the American M60 and Soviet T-72. Equipped with a fire control system that allows you to fire on the go. A laser warning module is mounted on the tower. The design of the tank allows the installation of Iranian-made dynamic protection kits. It is believed that the 125-mm smoothbore gun and automatic loader are borrowed from the T-72, while the undercarriage is from the M60 tank. At least 100 units were issued.
    Zulfikar-2 - is equipped with a modernized engine and chassis. Only one prototype was built.
    Zulfikar-3 - the latest modification. It differs from its predecessors in a new running gear, turret, SLA and laser range finder (it has significantly upgraded fire control system, running gear, engine and a 125-mm cannon with automatic loader). Zulfikar is the name of the sword of the prophet Muhammad, who after the death of Muhammad passed to the righteous caliph Ali ibn Abu Talibu. In legends, Zulfikar is often endowed with magical power and magical properties. It was believed that the magical Zulfikar protects the borders of the Muslim world from enemies

    In the photo "Zulfikar-3"
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 2 February 2016 14: 19
    +1
    It would be an honor! This is their legal right, we can help if they ask for the development of a tank, but I suppose that Iran will sooner or later buy tanks from someone who wants to sell them to Iran, even making their tanks, because the Iranians quickly and they themselves simply cannot be pulled by a high-quality modern tank due to the lack of the necessary technologies and equipment. They can make a tank by their strength, but it is unlikely that their car will be able to compete even with any version T72.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 14: 53
      +3
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      we can help if asked to develop a tank

      Most likely, this will be the way we will develop tanks, planes and ships for Iran until the sanctions are lifted.
      Iran is going to cooperate with Russia in the production of fighter jets
      Iran and Russia are in talks to establish a joint production of fighter jets, Islamic Republic Defense Minister Hossein Dehkan said in Tehran on Tuesday.
      According to him, Russia agreed to cooperate with Iran in "joint design and production" of a combat aircraft, having learned about the capabilities of the Islamic Republic, Iranian media reported.
      "In the field of fighter aircraft production, we will not carry out such cooperation with any country except Russia," the minister stressed.
      http://www.interfax.ru/world/461055
      A visitor from Iran is also going to visit us.
      Advisor to Ayatollah Khamenei to visit Russia on February 1-4 to meet with the Russian leadership
      "A number of meetings with representatives of the Russian leadership are planned, - said the interlocutor of the agency. - The focus will be on bilateral and regional issues."
      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2612876

      Atom.
      Iran provides special privileges for Russia in the field of peaceful atom
      Iran provides for special privileges for Russia in cooperation in the field of peaceful atom. This was stated on the IRINN television channel by the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (OAEI) Ali Akbar Salehi.
      The head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran also spoke about the start of the construction of a second power unit in Bushehr
      The second and third power units of the Bushehr NPP will be built under the contract with the State Corporation Rosatom, signed in Moscow in November 2014. According to the data cited earlier by Salehi, the total amount of the contract for the two power units was $ 11 billion.
      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2603065
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 February 2016 14: 21
    0
    The newly opened prospects in connection with the lifting of the sanctions slightly clouded the mind. The Syrian war will probably introduce certain "clarifications" within a year!
  • Kirill750
    Kirill750 2 February 2016 14: 23
    0
    this is in disguise for air defense systems Thanks to Medvedev Or am I mistaken?
  • gray_angel
    gray_angel 2 February 2016 14: 23
    +1
    Quote: AlexTires
    I think that the "unblocking" of Iranian accounts is surrounded by such tough conditions

    quite possibly, since Iran signed a contract for 100+ airbuses, and not our superjets or silts ...
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 2 February 2016 14: 25
    +1
    In order for military equipment to be sold out in other countries, it is enough to choose the right price-quality ratio. The quality of weapons is checked on the battlefield in contact with similar samples. Abandoned tanks? You can offer another technique that they still do not do. By the way, is there combat experience with the S-300? S-400? Let’s say, adversary, but didn’t reach the target? You yourself, when you buy an expensive thing (technique), a hundred times ask your friends about quality ... And here, the same thing. In addition, the country most likely still has little cash to satisfy its needs right away.
    How is the cat Leopold:
    "... We will survive this trouble ..." wink
  • BOB044
    BOB044 2 February 2016 14: 25
    0
    If we sold them the T-90 with the right of subsequent release, they would buy. But not everything is sold like that, there are things that need not always be discovered. And correctly, you must keep your secrets. Still suitable.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 February 2016 14: 26
    +1
    Iran is slowly starting its game. Here we will see in a few years we will have disagreements.
  • vl-miv
    vl-miv 2 February 2016 14: 26
    +3
    They would say right away "No money" and there is nothing to fence a shadow on the fence ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 February 2016 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: vl-miv
      They would say right away "No money" and there is nothing to fence a shadow on the fence ...

      Moscow, February 1. Iran gained access to assets worth about $ 100 billion, which were completely unfrozen after the lifting of sanctions on the Islamic republic, RBC reports citing a comment by government representative Mohammad Bagher
    2. atalef
      atalef 2 February 2016 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: vl-miv
      They would say right away "No money" and there is nothing to fence a shadow on the fence ...

      Moscow, February 1. Iran gained access to assets worth about $ 100 billion, which were completely unfrozen after the lifting of sanctions on the Islamic republic, RBC reports citing a comment by government representative Mohammad Bagher
  • Oml
    Oml 2 February 2016 14: 26
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    "Iran has decided to abandon the purchase of T-90 tanks"
    Ну и что?

    But should such matters be, I want - I do not want?
  • iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 14: 29
    +1
    It must be remembered that in this world everyone is trying to use each other with the maximum benefit for themselves. We must also look at our negotiators: who they are, how they negotiated. It is well known that the East is a delicate matter.
  • rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 2 February 2016 14: 34
    0
    1-1, everything is fair.
  • Belarus
    Belarus 2 February 2016 14: 37
    +1
    To judge the relationship between Russia and Iran on the basis of this article and to draw any conclusions, I think is not correct. We ordinary people are allowed to read or find out only what is possible. Well, they didn’t want to buy tanks, well, okay, Russia will not want something another to do or buy.
    But on my own I want to say this: the Persians (Iranians) are pretty unreliable and can insert a knife in the back at any time.
  • raid14
    raid14 2 February 2016 14: 38
    0
    A trip to Syria, the Iranians did not appreciate our T-90, since they refused to purchase, another question, what did not suit them?
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 2 February 2016 14: 40
    0
    S-300, 400, they need more.
  • TTX
    TTX 2 February 2016 14: 45
    0
    Iran has always been and is "on his own mind" and is he an ally to us?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 14: 55
      0
      Quote: TTX
      But is he our ally?

      He is definitely not an ally for you Americans lol
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 2 February 2016 14: 46
    +1
    Quote: Amurets
    Thank you iPhone! I made friends. Now Iran will consider any contract through the prism of the contract for the S-300 air defense system. And we will lose a lot.

    And all because I thought not about the benefits of the state, but about how it would look in the eyes of Western "democrats"! angry
    1. sergo42
      sergo42 2 February 2016 18: 55
      0
      The iPhone player was going to integrate into Europe, but did not work out
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 2 February 2016 14: 46
    +3
    Refused to buy our tanks? And they did it right. Untimely. Tanks without air support do not cost much. Iran needs aviation, they need the SU-30MKI and the SU-34. You can fly to Saudi Arabia, but on tanks only along the bottom of the Persian Gulf. Well, why do they need tanks today, when the war with the Saudis is on the nose.
  • flSergius
    flSergius 2 February 2016 14: 46
    +1
    Some commentators amaze me. Do you keep the loyalty of a certain trading network in your life? But if you still go to buy a TV from another seller, will the usual hint to you a betrayal? And if your partner, with whom he worked well and even made friends a little, finds another job, will you be mortally offended? Just like hohly, who thought #worldly leaders, as it turned out, no — all Putin’s zradniks and agents. Teenage behavior ....
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 2 February 2016 14: 54
    +2
    Surely there will be an effect of secret agreements / protocols, about which only the parties that sign them know. And for discussion, everyone is metered out with only a minimum of information. So guess!
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 2 February 2016 15: 00
    +1
    In government matters, you can’t be romantics! Only pragmatism, well, there can still be nobility (selectively). Russia’s allies have always been foul, and I generally am silent about the east with its mentality. We need to rely only on ourselves, but if anyone is with us along the way, then we are welcome, but tickets are at our own expense.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2016 15: 04
    +1
    In Tehran, they say that the issue of purchasing T-90 tanks from Russia is "off the agenda."
    .. The issue of tank purchases has been removed .. But nothing is said about buying a license for the production of tanks .. This will be the first step at the present time to meet Iran’s needs for tanks due to its own production vehicles. Moreover, that "The Russian T-90 is one of our favorite tanks."
  • 31rus
    31rus 2 February 2016 15: 08
    +2
    Dear, it’s absolutely wrong to draw any conclusions on the basis of this article. Iran needs air defense and the air force in the first place, money will most likely go there, and the T-90 has nowhere to go, let alone draw conclusions on Iran’s foreign policy, the fact that Iran will conduct its game without Jewish advisers is understandable, including in Syria
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 February 2016 15: 10
    +2
    T-90 began to fight in Syria.
    Iranian soldiers were there too (until recently).
    I think the Iranians want to wait, see how they show themselves
    T-90 in combat.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 2 February 2016 15: 12
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana
    From the text of the article
    currently intends to meet the need for tanks with its own production vehicles

    Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
    Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.

    "...... In 1993-2001, a SKD assembly of Soviet T-72 tanks was carried out in Iran. Now the country has launched production of its own modification of the T-72 -" Zulfikar "...... Everyone counts money and this is not nothing surprising.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 February 2016 15: 29
      +3
      For info.
      ".... Zulfiqar (or Zolfaghar or Zolfaqar) is a second generation Iranian main battle tank, developed under the leadership of Brigadier General Mir-Younes Masoumzadeh, Deputy Commander of the Ground Forces for Science and Research.

      The purpose of the development and further production was to ensure the independence of the national armed forces from the supply of armored vehicles from abroad. Zulfiqar has a welded tower of Iranian design. The Iranian Zulfikar main battle tank is believed to have been developed primarily based on components from the Soviet T-72S, as well as the American M48 and M60 tanks. The suspension is developed on the basis of the suspension from the M48 and M60 tanks. New Zulfiqar-3s are under development and testing and there are up to 10 prototypes. "......
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 15: 50
      0
      Quote: kapitan92
      Now the country has launched production of its own modification of the T-72 - Zulfikar ..

      Slightly not so T-72 is still a T-72 produced under license and Zulfiqar as 1 and 3 is "our own" but with the use of units and weapons used on other tanks.
      Iranian T-72S Zulfikar-1 and Zulfikar-3


  • Grigor
    Grigor 2 February 2016 15: 15
    +1
    Iran will want Russian tanks again! To do this, you need to sell two or three dozen of the same tanks to your neighbors: Pakistan and Iraq, maybe even on a preferential loan ... Then you will "lose the will to buy" other equipment ...
  • Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 2 February 2016 15: 22
    +1
    I don't understand either joy or disappointment at all. They don’t buy, it means that someone doesn’t work well, there’s no other. I mean managers who get big money, officials who don’t let them work well. Remove, change. The same goes for gas, they push prices, political motives, so move soft spot tops of companies !!! We got used to selling resources for free and getting money, we got used to sitting evenly and spending time on yachts and on warm coasts to "lead". The working class is being killed, there are also downs here. I work, everyone buys from me.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 February 2016 15: 33
    0
    Quote: eugeniy.369
    We can say we helped Iran lift the sanctions, dividends in return have not yet been particularly observed.

    Iran can receive tangible dividends in Syria if it defeats IS, because Assad is still Iran, not Russia. Russia, if it gets anything, is still not comparable to Iran, unfortunately. Iran will "get chestnuts out of the fire" by the hands of Russia!
  • ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 2 February 2016 16: 05
    0
    Iran will never give up 90, it now desperately needs tanks. All this is talk in favor of the poor. Just as China will not build reactors. This is all to cover up the true state of affairs. These refusals in words are beneficial to both Iran and us. A worthy replacement for the T-90 in the world does not exist. Like Russian reactors.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 2 February 2016 16: 14
      0
      Dear, besides words, you need deeds, to be able to offer and sell not in greenhouse conditions, but in conditions of fierce competition, but you can shout a lot, but there’s no sense, besides there is a very important argument - this is a policy that dictates its own rules
      1. ANANATOLY PAULOV
        ANANATOLY PAULOV 2 February 2016 17: 05
        -1
        And they have nothing else to buy. Ukrainian "Oplot"? They will wait 10 years, if at all. Some have already "bought" it. Chinese type 96 or 99? I doubt it. I was 96 last year, I don't think Iran is stupid. They have their own tank industry and such "tanks" blind themselves. French Leclerc? It is unlikely that the French will sell, and if they do, the price will be broken. Also the Germans with their "Leopard". What do you think, the sanctions were lifted and the money flowed like a river. No. Americans will ask ten more times: “What are you going to spend them on? That's right, politics, an important argument
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 2 February 2016 16: 08
    0
    Well, well, "our lard and our musals." "Friends", like the Turks, are still needed. It's time to understand and create, like penguins, there is interest, we help, no-pnh. We constantly defend someone, justify ourselves in all nonsense, we must take a tough position (like Israel) - "if someone is offended, tomorrow we will go to you", because the modern world understands only such diplomacy.
  • Artem
    Artem 2 February 2016 16: 21
    0
    Let's not forget the story of the Knights in Bahrain. That is, when it was beneficial for them, they let our aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic through. And in a situation where there was no personal selfish interest - we were immediately "stabbed in the back", although there was no threat or any serious reason for the ban - they just pissed off, showed who was the boss.

    On the topic: The right to vote on 29.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX on the topic of lifting sanctions from Iran

    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 16: 38
      0
      Quote: artem
      Let's not forget the story of the Knights in Bahrain. That is, when it was beneficial for them, they let our aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic through. And in a situation where there was no personal selfish interest - we were immediately "stabbed in the back", although there was no threat or any serious reason for the ban - they just pissed off, showed who was the boss.

      There, it is more and more complicated that the main population of Bahrain is Shiites and the power belongs to the Sunnis and Iran has very big "disagreements" with it, up to the rupture of relations between them and mutual embargo, especially after the recent events with the execution of a Shiite preacher in the SA. Therefore, our planes following to Bahrain were not allowed by the way, by the way, this is not so bad in the markets of the Gulf countries, nothing shines for us anyway, and participation in exhibitions there is a waste of money.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 2 February 2016 18: 34
        +3
        "...... our planes are on their way to Bahrain and have not been missed by the way, this is not so bad in the markets of the Gulf countries, nothing shines for us anyway" ......
        Participation in exhibitions, even if "nothing shines" for us, is not a simple waste of the country's time and money, but a demonstration of the Russian flag and presentation of its capabilities !!!
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 2 February 2016 16: 24
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Well, what can you do? You won’t do anything. In theory, the Iranians cannot be blamed for this. Iran has its own economy, it is necessary to load its production and its jobs.
    Now, if they buy tanks in another country, then this will be a lesson to us for the future.

    This is probably the most correct and correct comment on the decision of the Iranians. Why do they essentially need the T-72 when, in the first place, they themselves can produce it, and secondly, they apparently need a newer and more perfect car.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 February 2016 18: 50
      +3
      There is also another opinion on the issue of Iran's purchase of the T-90. "...... According to a source in the defense industry, we can talk about intensive trade of the Iranian side for a contract for licensed production, and not for direct supplies of tanks from Russia. A similar release of T-90S is deployed in India and is currently being established in Algeria."....
      East is a delicate matter.
      1. akims
        akims 2 February 2016 22: 47
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        I support! Iran has long, although not always successfully fought for the organization of production in its homeland. And that's not all. For a long time there has been an active hunt for minds. The attempt to send my students to school did not lead to anything good. So what a joke I found out: they supplied their dumb youths with good money and sent over the hill, in particular to us, with this task: to find the ugly, but smart little ladies, to seduce them: like everyone gives - a hut, a car, an opportunity to study and work in their specialty (by the way, the truth) only, they say, come ... and there, looking, smart kids will go. Here so
  • akshor
    akshor 2 February 2016 16: 55
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    The arms market, as for me, is developing from direct deliveries to consultations ... that is, intellectual development for the client. Of course, without a base at home, it is difficult to sell it. Therefore, in no way slow down and shout about everything was gone. And to make the best product in the world. But more confuses me more. Voenka, a very tasty direction for export. But frankly ... this is not enough that we can essentially offer. We need a larger range for export

    I would also like to share the ship market (of civil significance, tankers, etc.), civil aviation, automotive, engine manufacturing (of various ranges), the market for exclusive equipment (for ore mining, etc. for example), etc. The IT sector etc.

    It is now, in my opinion, personally, it is necessary to focus on the agricultural sector, where success is already noticeable. And the IT direction, which is developing dynamically in the country, and which needs to be developed 3 times at least by 2020 (industry, etc.)
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 2 February 2016 16: 57
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    Well, Iranians have never been idiots. They are simply diversifying everything and everyone. Some will be bought from China, some from the Russian Federation, and some from the EU. They need to get dependent on the Russian Federation? This is generally what everyone expected, who was even a little interested in the issue of Iran.
    1. akshor
      akshor 2 February 2016 17: 03
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      the main thing is to have something to offer. I personally was surprised when they signed contracts with Italy for 15 billion ... then back in France. Maybe somewhere infa that the Iranians then ordered