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Media: Russia upgraded Syrian MiG-29 and established control over the country's air force

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Russia established new rules of conduct in the area of ​​the Syrian-Turkish border, upgraded the Syrian MiG-29 to MiG-29CMT, and also took control of the SAR Air Force, leads bmpd material published on the Fort Russ blog.




"The upgraded fighters will be used to protect Russian aircraft in Syria, in addition, the Syrian Air Force received a clear order to shoot down Turkish aircraft in case of border violations," writes the author of the publication, citing a source in the Syrian command.

“Back in 1998, the government of Hafez Asad entered into an agreement with Turkey that Syrian airplanes would not come closer to the border than on 15 km. Interestingly, it was signed when, under the threat of an 10000 invasion, Turkish soldiers, Syria was forced to expel Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan. This agreement also provided for the non-deployment of Syrian army units near the border, which only border guards and individual officers could patrol, ”a source said.

According to him, “Russia has significantly strengthened the country's air force by upgrading MiG-29 fighters to the MiG-29SMT version with the installation of the Zhuk-M radar and the possibility of using the P-77 air-to-air missiles and KAB-500-E air bombs ". Modernization allegedly passed 9 aircraft.

The interlocutor also said that "Russia has appealed to the Syrian government with a request to patrol the border with Turkey on a permanent basis to ensure the safety of Russian bombers."
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 2 February 2016 08: 23
    50
    Hafez al-Assad’s government has concluded an agreement with Turkey that Syrian planes will not approach the border closer than 15 km.

    Today the situation is the opposite - Turkish planes are not approaching the Syrian border? Shouldn't .. Even with Turkish artillery in the border areas, the issue should be resolved ..
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 2 February 2016 08: 37
      32
      It has long been necessary to do this, but better late than never.
      1. andre
        andre 2 February 2016 09: 01
        10
        Well, damn it, like Carlson's - it finally worked !!! drinks
      2. TT62
        TT62 2 February 2016 09: 37
        +8
        "Chicken grain by grain, the whole yard is in shit."
      3. Talgat
        Talgat 2 February 2016 22: 14
        +7
        Iranians also have old 29 Mig like

        So they also need to be modernized. until new planes are bought
    2. cniza
      cniza 2 February 2016 08: 39
      11
      Even with Turkish artillery in the border areas, the issue is resolved ..



      It is necessary to modernize or put in Syria attack aircraft and bombers.
      1. GSVG 86-88
        GSVG 86-88 2 February 2016 08: 51
        11
        most likely she will leave the su-24
        1. PalSanych
          PalSanych 5 February 2016 08: 46
          0
          You're right! And soo 25 will remain in the same place
      2. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 2 February 2016 09: 02
        +5
        we ourselves get 6 cars a year, and you also offer to deliver them, but what is asked? Maybe after the war they will leave something.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 2 February 2016 09: 23
          +9
          In fact, in 2015, 18 Su-34s were delivered. And in any case, the Su-24 is going to be written off by 2020 ...
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 2 February 2016 09: 36
            +4
            Transfer the required amount to Syria. After restoration repair of course. And with all existing upgrades.
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 2 February 2016 10: 05
            +9
            .... And in any case, the Su-24 is going to be written off by 2020 ...

            .... And this is unlikely .... Given the pace of entry into the SU-34 troops .... The resource will also be extended to the Su-24 .... Moreover, they showed themselves very well ... hi
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 2 February 2016 10: 42
              +4
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              .... And this is unlikely .... Given the pace of entry into the SU-34 troops .... The resource will also be extended to the Su-24 .... Moreover, they showed themselves very well ...


              It is doubtful. Almost all of them were written off - due to the impossibility of extending the resource.

              As far as I know, about 150 remains - on which it was still possible to extend the resource.

              Some of them are now being driven to the full in Syria! It is possible to renew only if they are not exploited in this way, or only on paper recourse

              This is my opinion ...
            2. Muvka
              Muvka 2 February 2016 11: 23
              +5
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              .... And in any case, the Su-24 is going to be written off by 2020 ...

              .... And this is unlikely .... Given the pace of entry into the SU-34 troops .... The resource will also be extended to the Su-24 .... Moreover, they showed themselves very well ... hi

              That's just very likely. Now VKS has 85 Su-34s. With a release of 20 per year, this is another 80 aircraft until 2020. Given an order of at least 150 aircraft - they will fulfill it ...
            3. Voyager
              Voyager 3 February 2016 11: 49
              +2
              Ugh ugh of course! I remember still the 24th most problematic car was.
              1. 1774
                1774 3 February 2016 18: 27
                +1
                Yes, it’s really a problematic, but at the same time very complex machine with great capabilities: flying around the terrain, variable wing geometry, the widest range of weapons of the B-P. The same X 59 Gadfly, not every aircraft could boast of the ability to use it.
                1. Turkestan
                  Turkestan 4 February 2016 09: 28
                  +1
                  THE PLANE DRIED ABOUT IT AND THE WEAPONS WET
            4. 72jora72
              72jora72 4 February 2016 14: 30
              +1
              .... And in any case, the Su-24 is going to be written off by 2020 ...
              I am afraid that in connection with the international situation, we will not only not write off anything, but we will also preserve, restore and modernize a lot of things ....
        2. oldav
          oldav 2 February 2016 10: 11
          +5
          Su-24,25. They will leave everything. Because after such an intensity of use, they will already be of little use for our air force. And the Syrians from 3 will collect 1 and will use it. And do not forget that the latter was released in the 93rd year.
    3. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 2 February 2016 08: 42
      +5
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Even with Turkish artillery in the border areas, the issue is resolved ..

      Take as a basis a solution to a similar issue by the Israelis (optimally) or test KABs on modernized MiGs.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 2 February 2016 09: 29
        13
        Ah yes Russia! Ah yes we are well done! We will succeed! Even something was moved, it hasn’t happened to me for a long time, am I getting old?
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 2 February 2016 11: 01
          19
          Even something was moved, it hasn’t happened to me for a long time, am I getting old?

          similarly ... only this is more likely not because of old age, but because "it is not insulting for the state" after so many years of humiliation of the country, our entire history, the people who fought not only for their Motherland! I can't calmly watch old films about the war - our grandfathers put so much effort and lives, and the descendants destroyed the country so ineptly ... Because now, like on Victory Day, with tears in their eyes - it is bitter from the lost, but with faith in the future!
          1. pensioneree
            pensioneree 3 February 2016 07: 25
            +4
            I agree with you, but unfortunately a very large part (not all) confuse the concept of MOTHERLAND and place of residence. At the very grandfather, he began in 904, and disappeared in the 41st.
        2. pensioneree
          pensioneree 3 February 2016 07: 14
          +1
          Brother, you are not alone. I, too, for joy "ostogramitsa" have not forgotten, but the comment ..... Old! stop
        3. Sea Wolf
          Sea Wolf 3 February 2016 19: 02
          +3
          Yes, the old fighters are sentimental. Yeah. But the craft is not forgotten. Hehe. Until the last bullet. Like this. I remember all the time Kiel passed, oh German pilot all the time at the monument to the sailors of the submarine squinted. Che blinked, well, I hinted to him about William Gustlov. Merchant, our seaman, dodgy, stole him. And then, Lisin Sergei Prokofievich read me the tactics of submarines, who knows, he will understand.
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 2 February 2016 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Even with Turkish artillery in the border areas, the issue is resolved ..

        Take as a basis a solution to similar issues by the Israelis (optimally) or try KABs on upgraded MiGs.

        Have been tested for a long time:
        Modification of the MiG-29SMT
        Wingspan, m 11.36
        Length, m 17.32
        Height, m ​​4.73
        Wing area, m2 38.10
        Weight, kg
        empty 11600 aircraft
        normal takeoff 16850
        maximum take-off 21000
        Fuel l
        internally 6100
        PTB 3800
        Engine type 2 TRDDF RD-33
        Thrust, kgf 2 x 8300
        Maximum speed km / h
        at height 2450
        off the ground xnumx
        Practical range, km
        at low altitude 990
        at high altitude 2200
        high altitude with one PTB 2800
        at high altitude with three PTB 3400
        with one refueling 6700
        Maximum rate of climb, m / min 19800
        Practical ceiling, m 18000
        Max. 9.0 operational overload
        Crew 1
        Armament:

        one 30-mm integrated gun GSh-301 with an ammunition load of 150 rounds
        The combat load is 4000 kg on six underwing and one dorsal nodes of the external suspension:
        Long-range missile launchers of the R-27E type (up to two units), medium-range R-27 type (up to four) or RVV-AE (up to six), as well as close-range missiles with R-73 TGS (up to six).
        To destroy ground targets, a fighter can carry guided weapons - URVP X-25ML,
        up to four X-29Ts (with television homing) and X-29Ls (with laser homing), up to four adjustable bombs KAB-500kr and KAB-500L, high-speed anti-ship missiles of the X-31A and X-35U type, anti-radar missiles of the X-31P type.
        250- or 500-kg bombs, KMGU container
        NAR 80 S-8 in blocks B-8M1 and S-24B

    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 2 February 2016 09: 33
      +6
      Yes, in this chaos, a full salvo of the "Tornado" battalion may well fly on the head of some "border" Turkish artillery battery from uncontrolled Syrian territory ... And then let them sort it out and look for terrorists ... wink
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 2 February 2016 09: 46
        +6
        Syrian Air Force received clear indication of shooting down Turkish aircraft in case of border violation

        Clear message.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 February 2016 09: 56
          16
          This is a way out, in the sense of a statement and a promise, a way out. In which case, if there is an interception of the F-16 and a downing, it can be said that this is not us, it is the SAR Air Force in the framework of protecting the Syrian airspace. Even if Su-35 will let wink . The point is that more maneuver in diplomacy and politics is provided by the downing of the SAR Air Force than the VKS.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 2 February 2016 12: 45
          +9
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Syrian Air Force received clear indication of shooting down Turkish aircraft in case of border violation

          Clear message.

          I think the Armenian Air Force will also receive such a "clear order." And the Black Sea Fleet will, I think, receive an order to sink everything that gets too close to our ships and borders.
        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 2 February 2016 18: 13
          +4
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Syrian Air Force got clear indication of shooting down Turkish aircraft in case of border violation

          Clear message.


          Remember, remember, and know, the surname of the best Syrian pilot will be Ali LI-SI-CHIN.. yes
          1. yugan
            yugan 5 February 2016 02: 09
            0
            Yeah, and Armenian Lisitsinyan wink
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 February 2016 09: 59
      +7
      Point U have a good fight with artillery batteries with a missile with a cluster warhead
    6. The comment was deleted.
    7. sgazeev
      sgazeev 2 February 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Hafez al-Assad’s government has concluded an agreement with Turkey that Syrian planes will not approach the border closer than 15 km.

      Today the situation is the opposite - Turkish planes are not approaching the Syrian border? Shouldn't .. Even with Turkish artillery in the border areas, the issue should be resolved ..

      The Syrians shot down the Erdogad airplanes, wounded and truncated. recourse
  2. avva2012
    avva2012 2 February 2016 08: 23
    12
    96 region?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2016 08: 30
      12
      The Syrian Air Force received a clear instruction to shoot down Turkish aircraft in case of violation of the border, "
      another thing, damn it! yes
      1. The black
        The black 2 February 2016 08: 37
        +4
        MiG-29 in the MiG-29SMT version with the installation of the Zhuk-M radar and the ability to use R-77 air-to-air missiles and the KAB-500S-E adjustable bombs. UNTIL THE MODERNS WERE UPDATED 9 AIRCRAFT.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 February 2016 10: 02
          +7
          It is extremely doubtful, however there are a few but!

          Assad still ordered the MiG-29M / M2 new ones before the war. Moreover, they were built, but there was already a ban on supply. Now the head Syrian MiG-29М2 is the flight demonstrator of the RSK MiG-35D! The rest of the groundwork remained either for future orders, or were converted into shipbuilders.

          The MiG-29СМТ is a rather voluminous modernization (more than a year), the MiG has a certain backlog, but it has already been bought by the aerospace forces and the planes are going to the army. Visually, they are easily distinguished by their humpiness.

          However, it is entirely possible from Kursk that the 9-12 CMT vehicles were transferred as a broken contract, like Ily-76 with the VKS directly to Syria.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 2 February 2016 10: 32
          0
          A modification of SMT like a hump behind a lantern should be, but in the photo to the article, if these are those planes, it does not.
          1. tomket
            tomket 2 February 2016 10: 41
            +3
            Quote: fzr1000
            A modification of SMT like a hump behind a lantern should be, but in the photo to the article, if these are those planes, it does not.

            photo as usual from the ceiling. And the Syrian SMT is likely either under a torn contract, or, most likely from Kursk, and I won’t be surprised if Russian pilots went on a business trip.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 2 February 2016 12: 03
              +3
              Assad ordered the MiG-29M / M2 - what is now moving under the MiG-35 brand. They are the first - new (SMT from old backlogs), the second is much more expensive.

              Fighter MiG-29M (tail number "741 blue") together with another two-seater airplane MiG-29M2 (type 9-67) (tail number "747") were the first two machines of the MiG-29M / M2 type (9-61 / 67, they are now designated as MiG-35), built at the end of 2011 by JSC "RSK" MIG "under the 2007 contract of" Rosoboronexport " with Syria for delivery 12 fighters of this type (with option still on 12)... For well-known reasons, in the future the implementation of this contract was suspended, and both of the first already manufactured "Syrian" fighters are currently used by the RSK "MIG" for testing purposes.
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 2 February 2016 15: 03
                +2
                Quote: donavi49
                Assad ordered the MiG-29M / M2 - what is now moving under the MiG-35 brand.

                MiG-35 is a deeply modernized and revised version of the MiG-29M / M2 with a complete replacement of all electronics and even some components and assemblies. From the MiG-29M / M2 it has only a fuselage. Its final appearance is not fully formed due to the lack of orders from its Ministry of Defense, and foreign buyers are invited to determine the configuration depending on the price - and this I think is the main mistake because this approach only works with third world countries - but they have such a fighter and not afford, and not the level of their Air Force. And those who would like to buy such an airplane prefer the single final most sophisticated advertised version, and at the same time have it in service with the country that produces it.
              2. dyksi
                dyksi 2 February 2016 15: 08
                +3
                This year RSK MiG has built 32 aircraft. Eight MiG-29SMTs were assembled on the Falcon for the Russian Aerospace Forces, ten shipyards for the Kuzi, six shipyards for the Vikrant aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy, two MiG-35 prototypes do not count (they seem to be 2016, I might be wrong). It turns out that eight cars are not "attached". Perhaps this is a MiG-29M / M2 for Syria, or Serbia, well, it’s like Swifts can be transplanted to new fighters (there is information on the Internet that the group will consist of a pair of MiGs and a pair of Yak-130s, although of course “Swifts” are MiGs -29, the bird is very fast and sharp).
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 2 February 2016 08: 25
    13
    Syrian Air Force received a clear instruction to shoot down Turkish planes in case of border violation "


    Like a balm for the soul ...

    however, I suppose that ERDOGAN will decide on a direct intervention in LATAKIA in order to save his reputation in TURKEY and the oil business in SYRIA ... and then the moment of truth in the fate of not only SYRIA but also TURKEY will really come.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 2 February 2016 09: 04
      15
      I would say .. then the moment of truth will come for Vladimir Vladimirovich, he will remain as tough and firm politician as he is known throughout the world, or everyone will understand that his rigidity is just a good bluff!
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 2 February 2016 11: 20
        +7
        I would say .. then the moment of truth will come for Vladimir Vladimirovich, he will remain as tough and firm politician as he is known throughout the world, or everyone will understand that his rigidity is just a good bluff!

        And for those 16 years there were moments to doubt his affairs? I’m not so familiar with VV, but I can say something about him - if he talks about something specifically, they believe him and fear his promises, and if he does not want or cannot answer some question, he gets off common phrases. Unfortunately, this concerns the economy, but in the political struggle he has no equal, he experiences a real thrill from building multi-paths and his apparent softness is like a tiger’s paw - soft, fluffy. A simple example is the tiger Amur and Timur. Until he got the tiger, he endured it, but afterwards, gently (as it seemed to him) gently patted the goat. Now he is being treated intensively. It would be necessary to give the goat a new name - Erdogan ... There is too much similarity, and the Merkel goat, which the goat is going to present, would somehow fit better repeat
        1. Belousov
          Belousov 3 February 2016 17: 38
          0
          Well, he gave quite specific and clear "May" instructions to the government and what was the result? They hammered a big bolt at his directions. So there are plenty of reasons to doubt his "firmness" over the past years.
    2. vell.65
      vell.65 2 February 2016 09: 39
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      however, I suppose that ERDOGAN will decide on a direct intervention in LATAKIA in order to save his reputation in TURKEY and the oil business in SYRIA ... and then the moment of truth in the fate of not only SYRIA but also TURKEY will really come.

      It turns out the invasion of the territory of another state, and this is a conflict not only with Syria, but also with Russia, this will not happen if only next provocations follow.
  4. bronik
    bronik 2 February 2016 08: 26
    12
    The Turks have an orange level of inflamed brain. That means proper preparation ..
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 2 February 2016 08: 34
      11
      The interlocutor also said that "Russia has appealed to the Syrian government with a request to patrol the border with Turkey on a permanent basis to ensure the safety of Russian bombers."

      and complete with SS-400 it’s generally an impenetrable barrier
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 2 February 2016 08: 52
        +5
        Quote: Lukich
        and complete with SS-400 it’s generally an impenetrable barrier

        It all depends on how many aircraft Erdogan throws against Latakia in particular and Syria as a whole. It may happen that the S-400 missiles run out sooner ..

        The combat structure of the Air Force has 21 aviation squadrons (ai): eight fighter-bomber, seven fighter air defense, two reconnaissance, four combat training.
        The most powerful Turkish Air Force air group - SO in Western Anatolia - combines five aviation and one anti-aircraft missile base. At four airfields of this command, four fighter-bomber ones are deployed (54 F-16C / D and 26 F-4E are in service), four fighter (60 F-16C and 22 F-4E), one reconnaissance (20 RF-4E) and three combat training (77 combat training aircraft, UBS) aviation squadrons, as well as 90 reserve aircraft of various types.
        Source: http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/372/voorugennie-sili-turcii © Portal "Modern Army"
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 2 February 2016 09: 03
          +8
          We also have naval air defense there, but after all, the c300 and the shells cover the airfield and the ISU35 were thrown so that there would be enough missiles for the Turks.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 2 February 2016 09: 43
            +7
            Well, he won’t send all the country's aviation into battle in the same wave of raid. This means that everything that will be at that moment at the airdromes must be destroyed proactively along with the bases themselves. Without waiting for arrival in Syria.
            I do not know how realistic this is for the determination of the leadership and the stocks of Caliber and other plop. But in the event of such an invasion, the Turkish Air Force should be brought into a state like the Ukrainian Navy. Which has more admirals than ships (sorry, ships; they did not deserve to be called ships)
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 3 February 2016 16: 10
              0
              Only realistic when using tactical nuclear weapons.
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 2 February 2016 09: 30
          +5
          The total number of aircraft! = The number of combat-ready. Won in Germany, they started a test, so only 42% of the fleet is able to fly :) + except for the S-400 there are Su-35, Su-30 and Su-34 also have the functions of a fighter ...
        3. Lukich
          Lukich 2 February 2016 10: 30
          +4
          Quote: Corsair0304
          It all depends on how many aircraft Erdogan throws against Latakia in particular and Syria as a whole.

          well, he’s not like that to send his aircraft to certain death. Yes, and Sasha will not be allowed. they need them to fight the Kurds
        4. alexej123
          alexej123 3 February 2016 11: 37
          0
          I think the Turks are not. In this case, he will be under crossfire. In the event of a database start, the grouping of the Southern Military District and KChF I think I will not be idle either. Moreover, the base in Armenia will make itself felt. It is clear that the Syrian group will not survive long databases.
        5. 1774
          1774 3 February 2016 19: 05
          0
          Let them throw it. Suppose they decided to launch a massive air strike with at least 100 aircraft involved. First, they need to form a battle order in the air, which usually consists of an air defense breakout group, a target reconnaissance group, an attack group, electronic warfare, a cover fighter group, a suppression group Air defense in the target area, etc. according to the situation and depending on the nature of the target. Even if the planes take off in pairs with a minimum interval, there will be a lot of time, those who take off should wait for the rest in the air in the area of ​​the formation of the power supply, although of course you can build a power supply by catching And now the question is whether the Turkish command has experience in conducting similar air operations, whether the military dispatchers have experience in managing such a number of aircraft in the air, and whether the flight crew has experience in such combat formations. there will be a bunch of flashes in the air on the indicators of our radars and it’s not difficult to unravel the idea as well as to take the necessary measures to disrupt the Turkish Air Force’s mission.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 2 February 2016 09: 07
        -14 qualifying.
        Seriously, ask how many Turks have only F-16D-C modifications .. and then shout "uraaa, one complex, as you put it, the SS-400 will fill everyone up"
        1. hrapon
          hrapon 2 February 2016 09: 52
          13
          Quote: igorka357
          Seriously, ask how many Turks have only F-16D-C modifications .. and then shout "uraaa, one complex, as you put it, the SS-400 will fill everyone up"


          Dear "Igorka357", in "Command & Conque" you can send squadron after squadron to destroy the strong point. And in modern NATO (I am sure in Turetchina too), flights stop after the loss of the first aircraft, simply because the pilots do not want to fly to certain death.
          Maybe it's time to remove the tin soldiers under the sofa?
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 2 February 2016 10: 35
            -4
            And you fought with Nata, what would such a bazaar be about their pilots? I’m watching some hat-takers gathered here! Who really needs to remove the soldiers! And in Iraq and Afghanistan and especially Vietnam, they knocked down pilots, but they’ll fly and follow orders They didn’t stop! The Turks were not afraid to bring down a nuclear power bomber, and you think that after 10-20 downed planes they will stop flying, a naive young man!
            1. Hitrovan07
              Hitrovan07 3 February 2016 20: 32
              0
              Do not confuse flights against the "Papuans" who have only "Kalash".
            2. Turkestan
              Turkestan 4 February 2016 09: 31
              0
              Will cease when a day with a dozen aircraft will lose.
          2. Alexanast
            Alexanast 3 February 2016 16: 50
            +7
            In my head, too, the whole question revolves. As far as the courage is enough for the pilots (Turkish) to go into battle, bearing losses, moreover, the losses are serious. It's one thing for an "old man" to sneak up from behind, another to face with the same Su-27, Su-30, not to mention the Su-35 and even under the hood of the S-400.
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        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 February 2016 10: 02
          0
          250 pcs F-16.
          1. Hitrovan07
            Hitrovan07 3 February 2016 20: 34
            0
            "Favorite" Wikipedia gives "12 hardpoints" - let's be optimists - 20 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be enough.
        4. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 February 2016 10: 06
          +5
          And you need to count the volley of the S-400 battery. And the reaction to the loss of 15 pieces and Turkish aircraft. Under the guise of a can and NATO AVAKS peep. Then blame the mess.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 2 February 2016 10: 39
            -5
            There will be a reaction, and there will be screams for help, and screams on the topic we are an alliance, help .. and the alliance will be obliged to help, otherwise it simply ceases to exist, and Nat is such an injection of capital that mortals do not even have to think! And pieces 15 efok do you think they will not be NATO? This country is a member of the Nata, and the Nata will harness stopudovo, otherwise after six months of war of a lonely Turkey with the Russian Federation, there will be no Nata or Turkland! The Russian Federation’s turkland will definitely be split up, and the rest of the members of this Nata will simply run away after understanding .. there’s no such alliance! And if NATO ceases to exist, then Sshakalov’s hegemony will come in kirdyk, Europe will become uncontrollable and will approach rapprochement with the Russian Federation, Americans will never allow it! You don’t have to be so stupid and naive! I understand that some patriots gathered here, but damn ... at least someone sniffed gunpowder here, huh?
            1. lex locis
              lex locis 2 February 2016 11: 06
              +3
              Quote: igorka357
              I understand that some patriots gathered here, but damn ... at least someone sniffed gunpowder here, huh?


              Apparently, you are the only one here who is doing that the powder (sorry, but in my opinion the powder) is sniffing ...
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 2 February 2016 12: 23
                +2
                Here it is ... I-ah, look, there is essentially nothing to say, you just need to show how he has a sense of humor and how clever he is ... bravely I’m a rzhunimaga! There is something to oppose my comment ... no, then please be silent!
            2. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 2 February 2016 11: 47
              +6
              This country is a member of Nata, and Nata will harness stopudovo, otherwise, after six months of war of a lonely Turkey with the Russian Federation, there will be neither Nata nor Turkland!

              in order to harness, time is needed - they have bureaucracy, be healthy, they themselves recently wrote that it will take more than one day for approval! and how? strike at Russia? In order to calm the Turks, it will be enough to use certain types of electronic warfare, I think there are other "non-lethal" methods, Russia has already shown the possibility of asymmetric responses. And this means we have bright minds, the non-standard approach has always distinguished Russian military thought. By the way, with a holiday - with the beginning of the Battle of Stalingrad, after which our troops no longer retreated! A greeting card with this joyful warning should be sent to Erdogan repeat
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 2 February 2016 12: 21
                +6
                It's a shame, they shot our flyers fatally, and we didn’t recourse ! And Russia will not flood Turks in one day! They won’t inflict on Russia, but on the territory of Turkey and Syria, our troops will fight with NATO troops, not Turkey alone! Everything that can be pulled to the borders of our country, and we will have to to answer somehow, but now we don’t have an army of the USSR so that it would be possible to keep entire armies at especially dangerous borders! And you too with a holiday! True, our victory will be ours, but the time is not easy!
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 2 February 2016 14: 19
                  +7
                  Our truth and victory will be ours, but time is not easy!

                  Russia has never had long, serene years of a quiet life, and is not foreseen in the next hundred years! It’s a tidbit, even a morsel, where it’s easier to say something than to list wealth. And most importantly, incomprehensible and unpredictable people live here - they always save someone, help someone, for the most part disinterestedly, or even to the detriment of themselves! belay One word - barbarians ...
            3. kitamo
              kitamo 2 February 2016 13: 46
              +5
              Quote: igorka357
              and the alliance will be obliged to help


              and on what basis * nata * will help if Turkish planes begin to fall in SYRIA? there aggression against the country * Nata * will not be ... there will be protection of the territory of the sovereign state of Syria ...
              1. Corsair0304
                Corsair0304 2 February 2016 14: 53
                0
                Quote: kitamo
                there aggression against the country * Nata * will not be ... there will be protection of the territory of the sovereign state of Syria ...

                When did this hinder NATO in general and amers in particular? If there is no reason, then they will come up with it. Remember the battleship "Men" - they did not regret their own to unleash a war. Or "Luisitania" is also a fresh example.
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  5. drop
    drop 2 February 2016 08: 29
    18
    It would be desirable to attract volunteers from Cuba, Vietnam, India and the DPRK to this work. These pilots once showed excellent results in hostilities. And volunteer pilots to protect the peoples of the world from the IGL will always be found. I have the honor.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2016 08: 32
      +5
      Quote: Drop
      It would be desirable to attract volunteers from Cuba, Vietnam, India and the DPRK to this work.

      do they need it? and to us? teach them yes retrain ... enough of their own. hi
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 2 February 2016 09: 45
        +3
        And what about how to attract trusted volunteers for the current VKS operation. Just in order to improve skills. At least for the CSTO. And then after all, where else can they get experience. And the thing is iron good - to smash barmaley.
    2. hrapon
      hrapon 2 February 2016 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      It would be desirable to attract volunteers from Cuba, Vietnam, India and the DPRK to this work. These pilots once showed excellent results in hostilities. And volunteer pilots to protect the peoples of the world from the IGL will always be found. I have the honor.


      Vietnamese pilot Li Xi Qing? Why not...
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 2 February 2016 10: 11
      +3
      What for. They are also masters of hitting planes, especially Indians and Koreans.

      Everything has already been established, Ilya went from those who are older. Even the regul is not washed off. And it’s not the Syrians who fly there, but also not the airborne combat pilots wink .
      1. KnightRider
        KnightRider 2 February 2016 10: 58
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Everything has already been established, Ilya went from those who are older. Even the regul is not washed off. And it’s not the Syrians who fly there, but also not the airborne combat pilots

        IL-76 they have one according to the register. Of course, the Syrian crew cannot fly on it "in Afghani", so it is quite possible that our former military or civilians are there.
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 February 2016 08: 31
    15
    Expect from the Ottomans a new provocation, more cruel and insolent. Because of which the ears of the meridos will be visible.
  7. polite people
    polite people 2 February 2016 08: 51
    +3
    The upgraded fighters will be used to protect Russian aircraft in Syria, in addition, the Syrian Air Force received a clear instruction to shoot down Turkish aircraft in case of border violation. This is a serious statement.
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 2 February 2016 08: 51
    0
    And what about the delivery of a MiG-29m batch to Syria? It seems like they gave the go-ahead
  9. Siberia M 54
    Siberia M 54 2 February 2016 08: 58
    +2
    The article pleased! They should drop Turkey in the face with dirt. They began to behave too daringly boldly.
  10. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 2 February 2016 09: 01
    13
    The situation is heating up and heating up.
    I understand correctly that if Turkish planes violate the Syrian border, they will be shot down by Syrian fighters, but under our command? There will be a squeal. From NATO. I wonder if Erdogan’s roof will be torn off in this situation? He’s used to the fact that Turkish warplanes are boundless in the skies of Cyprus and Greece, regardless of all the boundaries of airspace, but if something happens, such a pendell will fly ...
    It seems to me that in the light of recent events we would be better off further strengthening the air defense group ..
    1. TT62
      TT62 2 February 2016 09: 52
      +1
      So I assume that the punishment of donkey husbands is close.
  11. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 2 February 2016 09: 06
    0
    Everything is right, but right because it is TRUE.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 February 2016 09: 07
    18
    The news is great. Strengthening the ATS aviation and the instruction to bring down the Turks when crossing the border - how can this not be rejoiced?
    But why do the Turks beat with artillery in Syria? As I understand it, they do not expect screwdrivers from the Syrian artillery - most likely, there is no Syrian art there. IMHO, they call upon themselves a VKS airstrike. With subsequent "dances with a tambourine" around the inevitable corpses of Turkish artillerymen. That is, if ours are the last idiots, and will lead to this provocation. But they beat their favorite Turkomans! And nothing, native blood does not interfere?
    In general, the closer the SAR army approaches the Turkish border, the more likely it is to get artduel between the Syrians and Turks. I bet on the Syrians. Our advisers (judging by the obvious improvement in the art work) are not in vain eating bread there, and the Syrian intelligence will obviously be better. And if Turkey attacks Syria, then the help of our VKS will be completely legal and crushing. And the straits - well, that straits ... Constantinople, IMHO, the name Istanbul does not fit. And Mount Ararat is NOT on the other side of the border. am
  13. Ilya813
    Ilya813 2 February 2016 09: 13
    +5
    MiG-29SMT (Syria, your mother) angry
  14. Gray 43
    Gray 43 2 February 2016 09: 18
    +5
    But what about the "coalition" - also shoot down? They do not have any permits for flights, all the more so bombing, by the way, sometimes gets from them to the government troops, "by mistake." With Turkey, everything is clear, when it is possible to rake, they write, what high they raised when an unknown MiG drove four F-16s in the border area, the next time they promised to shoot down, but they shot down ours from an ambush
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 2 February 2016 09: 49
      +4
      But the coalition must be gently but resolutely squeezed out. If they really want to frolic on ISIS - Iraq is there for that. And this is a very big task. Not only for the videoconferencing, but also for the Foreign Ministry.
      And let the VKS offer (so that you can’t refuse) to accompany / cover their sorties wink
  15. Alexart
    Alexart 2 February 2016 09: 21
    0
    Let them just rock the boat
    we will treat
    haloperidol is enough for everyone.
  16. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 2 February 2016 09: 37
    +1
    One thing bothers me - 9 aircraft allegedly went through modernization.
    It is unclear, did they go through modernization or just ordinary rumors?
  17. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 February 2016 09: 43
    +2
    they summon an air strike by the Aerospace Forces. With the subsequent "dancing with a tambourine" around the inevitable corpses of Turkish artillerymen

    100% hit. In their morgues, refrigerators were packed with corpses in advance.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 February 2016 09: 47
    +1
    Fun for the Turks begins, and the most interesting thing is they can’t fly into the Syrian sky. They immediately have a cap, or from anti-aircraft gunners, or from pilots. And if Assad gets the Turkish gunners, I think the answer will certainly be. And during the showdown at the UN, our people will attach photos and videos, so they won’t be screwed, And there will be no formal reason for fanning the conflict.
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 February 2016 09: 53
    +2
    But what about the "coalition" - also shoot down?
    Let the Syrians deal with this issue, MIGI monternizirovali, and the flag in their hands for good luck.
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 2 February 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Let the Syrians deal with this issue, MIGI monternizirovali, and the flag in their hands for good luck.


      Moreover, even in their own airspace they have the right to shoot down any intruder without talking (you can later say that they warned in all known languages ​​by radar, but did not receive an answer)
  20. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 2 February 2016 09: 55
    +3
    Syrian Air Force received clear instructions to shoot down Turkish planes in case of border violation


    This is no "an indication"this is the inalienable right of every sovereign country.
  21. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 2 February 2016 09: 57
    -3
    The Syrian Air Force received a clear instruction to shoot down Turkish aircraft in case of violation of the border, "

    How will this "clear" directive be followed? Will this provoke a face-to-face meeting between Turkey and Russia? The behavior of the Turks, in my opinion, is aimed at creating this conflict with the support of the West and NATO. Goal: Russia should be isolated from the events in Syria and BV.
  22. Michael67
    Michael67 2 February 2016 10: 25
    +3
    The modernization of the MiG-29 with the control of the SAR Air Force is great news. And the instruction to shoot down Turkish planes in the event of a border violation is also good. The tension is growing. Who is the first to press the "button" does not matter. Then no one will tell the truth, or there will be no one to tell. The satellite must be hung over the area of ​​the alleged events and keep a round-the-clock record of what is happening in all ranges. And in general - restraint for our leaders and diplomats.
  23. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 2 February 2016 10: 39
    0
    Passions run high. One bad thing - Syria is heavily worn out in 4 years of war.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 2 February 2016 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Yugan Oleg One bad thing - Syria is very exhausted for the 4 years of the war.

      Economically? So, economics, there is practically no longer there. And the population, who remained, is already accustomed, rebuilt. How many years have they been fighting in Afghanistan?
      And, something of fatigue is not visible. The problem will be, after the victory, what to do with this mass of people who can only fight and know how.
  24. Papapg
    Papapg 2 February 2016 10: 40
    +1
    Quote: Gormengast
    Syrian Air Force received clear instructions to shoot down Turkish planes in case of border violation

    The enemy does not need to be beaten - the enemy needs kill - folk wisdom.
  25. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 February 2016 10: 42
    +1
    What can be added to the above, I think only one truth about which the Turks do not seem to know or have forgotten: "... do not wake up smartly while it is quiet ..."! Apparently the time and the complete absence of brains at the Turkish elite and the tips of the "big white lord with a black ass "from Fashington made them so" bold ", but rather" lost "the last contents of their skull! In general, I think the point here is that "... the beaten is itching to ..."! Well, I want to get more ...
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 2 February 2016 14: 20
    0
    Only there should be not 9 planes, but 90. At least. For the first time.
  27. Roll
    Roll 3 February 2016 13: 33
    +1
    Malawato aircraft but everything is better than nothing! At the moment, from Erdogan, you can expect any stupidity. With Erdogan coming to power, Turkey began to play imperial ambitions that are actively heating the west.
  28. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 February 2016 14: 44
    0
    After the first serious skirmish with Turkey, most likely (by analogy with Ukraine) its own "Minsk" negotiation process will begin. It's one thing to criticize Russia, everyone is ready, but only a madman driven into a pit can dare to fight with Russia in the open. VVP once said that without the creation of military bases in other countries, we will get anyone, anywhere.
  29. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 3 February 2016 16: 37
    0
    I would be an artist .. painted a picture called "Presentiment of War" ..
    1. Sea Wolf
      Sea Wolf 3 February 2016 19: 03
      0
      The war will be. And we will have to fight not childishly.
  30. galakt
    galakt 3 February 2016 16: 37
    +1
    Most likely, combat pilots Al Ivanov or Al Petrov will appear in Syrian military aviation. It’s one thing for a Turk to bring down a Russian plane, and another thing is a Syrian one. The stink will be an order of magnitude smaller.
    1. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 3 February 2016 18: 12
      0
      Quote: galakt
      Most likely, combat pilots Al Ivanov or Al Petrov will appear in Syrian military aviation. It’s one thing for a Turk to bring down a Russian plane, and another thing is a Syrian one. The stink will be an order of magnitude smaller.

      And it could be. laughing
  31. Stilet
    Stilet 3 February 2016 20: 44
    +1
    Do we have enough pilots for the "mess"? There should be enough for the Turks. Is NATO enough? If a serious mixing begins, then the possibilities of the alliance should not be discounted. It is better to overestimate the enemy than to underestimate. Compared to the USSR, we have not several thousand aircraft in service, but only 1500-2000. There are not so many trained pilots. although they have been trying to make up for this gap lately. A squadron of 8 aircraft ... Compared to the fraternal aid of the Union, it will not be enough. However, let's think about the good! Clear sky! A million in a million!
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 4 February 2016 09: 41
      0
      In general, there are aviation equipment storage bases in Russia. They can assemble aviation equipment for a dozen divisions there. And for conducting military operations in Syria, the Su-17M3 and M4 would be well suited, knowing how to fight in a mountainous desert area.
  32. DPN
    DPN 3 February 2016 21: 04
    +1
    Of course it was well conceived, if only the fathers-commanders had not failed, like the SU-24. And then a blow in the back will pop up again.
  33. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 3 February 2016 21: 20
    +1
    Quote: igorka357
    And you fought with Nata, what would such a bazaar be about their pilots? I’m watching some hat-takers gathered here! Who really needs to remove the soldiers! And in Iraq and Afghanistan and especially Vietnam, they knocked down pilots, but they’ll fly and follow orders They didn’t stop! The Turks were not afraid to bring down a nuclear power bomber, and you think that after 10-20 downed planes they will stop flying, a naive young man!

    But in Vietnam, and even earlier in Korea there were such cases that they refused to fly after the losses were significant! Here Igor, you are absolutely wrong! The moral factor against money always works better! soldier
  34. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 3 February 2016 21: 37
    0
    The Syrians have their own scores with the Turks, as far as I remember they have two Syrian helicopters on their account, so the Syrians can shoot down the Turks over their territory, they defend their homeland, and ours did the right thing that our Syrians will cover: 1 ours will be knocked down NATO will immediately start to stink NATO country and no excuses for protection will not work, we are not at home, anyway ... 2. the Syrians mig-29 were used for attacks on ground targets, I think the su-25, su-24 are better suited for this, but the fighter is still a fighter ...
  35. iouris
    iouris 3 February 2016 23: 13
    0
    That is why Erdogan shouted "we thought he was Syrian".
    And why not yesterday Assad withdraw from the "agreement" with Erdogan and forbid the Turks to fly 30 km to the Syrian state border until the operation is completed?
  36. Serik
    Serik 4 February 2016 01: 49
    +3
    Quote: Yuyuka
    [i] after so many years of humiliation of the country, our entire history, the people who fought not only for their homeland! I can’t calmly watch old films about the war - our grandfathers put so much strength and lives, and our descendants so ineptly destroyed the country ... Because now it’s like Victory Day with tears in our eyes - it’s bitter from the lost, but with faith in the future!

    and there are many of us in the vast looking with the hope that even our Motherland will rise from the ashes
  37. R0B0T
    R0B0T 4 February 2016 03: 44
    0
    Quote: igorka357
    There will be a reaction, and there will be screams for help, and screams on the topic we are an alliance, help .. and the alliance will have to help, otherwise it simply ceases to exist,

    You need to know the position in NATO
    If a NATO member country is the first to start hostilities, then it cannot count on the organization’s help.
    So if the Turkish Armed Forces attack the Russian contingent in Syria first, they are guaranteed to receive an answer from NATO "figure it out yourself"
    What happened to the downed SU-24. Turks in the banal sent.