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West vs Russia: Creating the “Ukrainian Ethnic Chimera”

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A huge mistake of a significant part of the patriotic public of Russia is the opinion of “Ukrainians” as an “ethnos”, “fraternal Slavic people”. Historical facts show that the “Ukrainian people” is not a certain independent ethnic group, but an ethnic chimera, a mutant created by artificial means. A mutant created as a result of the spiritual, psychological and cultural mutation of a part of the Russian superethnos under the long-term influence of the military-cultural expansion of the Catholic West.


It so happened that the south-western part of Russia (Little Russia) fell under the centuries-old yoke of Catholic Poland (Rzecz Pospolita) and became the scene of a cruel confrontation between Western and Russian civilizations. The masters of the West created a strike ram from a part of the Slavic-Russian tribe of the Polyan (Poles) - Catholic and Pan-Polish. As a result, the Russians and those who fell under the authority of the Western conceptual-ideological “matrix” (wraith) Poles have fought for centuries for spiritual and military-political predominance in Eastern Europe. This confrontation reached the highest level, covering literally all areas of the life of the two Slavic peoples: religious, cultural, political, military, social and even linguistic.

The West has so poisoned the Poles with its “cultural weapons"That they, capturing huge Russian lands, controlling the territory from the Baltic to the Black (Russian) Sea, conquered Kiev, Minsk, Polotsk, Smolensk and planning to seize Novgorod and Moscow, could not create a normal working model of the Slavic empire, uniform for the Polyan-Poles and Russian Rus. They missed the chance to create the most powerful nation in Europe. The Polish elite repeated the Western model: the slave-owning social pyramid, where there is a narrow, closed caste of magnates mired in luxury and arrogance, gentlemen, the military layer of the gentry supporting them, and masses of slaves-slaves. At the same time, the Russians in the western, south-western regions of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth found themselves in a position even worse than the Polish “cattle”, since they were Orthodox, had their own language and culture. National, cultural, linguistic, religious and socio-economic oppression led to the beginning of a popular war led by B. Khmelnitsky, and gradually the Commonwealth weakened, degraded and lost not only Russian regions, but also its own statehood.

In order to finally tear the Little Russia away from the rest of Russia-Russia, the Poles tried to destroy and split Orthodoxy with the help of the union, distorted the Russian language with Polonism, tried to create a “Ukrainian intelligentsia”. As a result, it was the forcible combination of cultural and psychological dominants of the Russian and Polish nations that gave rise to the emergence of the ethnic chimera of “Ukrainians”, a community of people who fell out of the Russian superethnos, but never assimilated by the Polish ethnic group. Deformation of Catholicism and the Polish occupation of the Russian mentality, the Russian language and culture, the Russian idea and ultimately gave rise to "Ukrainian ideology", "Ukrainian mentality", and so on. "Ukrainian culture".

It turned out that the real “Ukrainian” is, as a rule, a hater and denier of everything Russian. Actually, to be a “Ukrainian” means to be a foe, antagonist of the Russian superethnos, the Russian state, the Russian language and culture. In fact, the “Ukrainians” are the “orcs” from the fantastic world of Tolkien, that is, the elves spoiled by dark force, who fiercely hate everything from the world of elves, because at the level of the subconscious they feel their own inferiority. This fully confirms the so-called. the current Ukrainian elite has no place to put stigmas!

The very appearance of the “Ukrainian” in the world of God as a definite psycho-type just caused the need to split and weaken the Russian world-civilization. Since the “Ukrainian” hates Russia and the Russians by definition: having been born Russian, speaking Russian, having Russian ancestors, he does not feel Russian, denies Russianness in himself and maliciously hates everything Russian. True, there is another category of “economic Ukrainians” who simply do business on the section and plunder of various fragments of Russian civilization.

The reasons for hatred are obvious: they are the everyday everyday reality of modern Ukraine-Little Russia. Decade after decade (and especially after the collapse of the USSR), people are brainwashed and programmed. Self-destructive hatred permeates the entire atmosphere of Ukrainian society, its culture, education, politics, media, professional and social relations. Its core is simple: “I hate Russians because I am Ukrainian.” Such is the consciousness of the “Ukrainian chimera”.

If you are “Ukrainian”, but you do not hate Russians, Russia, then you hate Ukraine, your people. You are a “traitor”, “yanichar”, “agent of Moscow”, “jacket”, “fifth column”. From year to year, every day and every hour, this cave ideology is hammered into all the channels of influence (media, schools, universities, politicians, etc.) into the heads of citizens of the “independent” Ukraine. “Ukrainians” are under constant pressure of hatred towards Russians and everything Russian. Earlier, countless different large-scale Russophobic events were organized for this, such as crying about “famine”, “occupation”, recalled “national heroes” like Mazepa, Bandera and Shukhevych. Now there is an eternal channel of hatred - the "occupation" of the Crimea and the Donbass, "the first Russian-Ukrainian war."

Hate and dissatisfaction with one’s own life, the subconscious understanding of one’s own inferiority — all this is channeled, sent to an external object, the neighboring Russian Federation. A fragment of the Russian civilization and a part of the Russian superethnos were turned into an anti-Russian ram, the bridgehead of the West for further "onslaught to the East".

This feeling is maintained day by day, becoming a habit and even a vital necessity. It gives a sick joy when a neighboring state fails or something bad happens. It must be said that this information technology is also being introduced in the Russian Federation itself, when the problems of the Ukraine Little Ukraine are flaunting, forcing them to forget about their own sores or even openly gloating when something bad happens on our Russian land. After all, there is nothing good, for example, that the aviation industry and shipbuilding in the Ukraine are dying; these production facilities were created by the labor of entire generations of Russians and belong to the super-ethnos of the Rus. There is a bleed of Russians with Russians. The ideal scenario for the West, when the most dangerous superethnos on the planet destroys itself with its own hands.

Internal Ukrainian events are relegated to the second or third plan, the need for analysis, criticism and understanding disappears. As if by itself, a primitive, extremely primitive and miserable idea of ​​the "special" Ukrainian people is formed. The fact that the "Ukrainians" - is the oldest, greatest and most gifted people in the world. What all the losses, failures, for today's poor and half-starved existence, the responsibility is the eternal enemy - Russian, Russia. And so that such a black-and-white view becomes the only form of world perception, it is already formed from kindergarten and school, reinforcing the forced militarization of consciousness. As a result, the "Ukrainian" constantly lives in a state of war. The basis of his sensual sphere is hatred, fear, and blind worship of "heroes." The citizens of Ukraine are turned into non-reasoning zombies, fanatics who are easy to manipulate.

The whole of Little Russia-Ukraine is turning into a bridgehead of aggression against the Russian Federation, a ram in the hands of the West. In the war, the owners of Kiev do not even count on victory. The essence of the military doctrine: “Abroad will help us!” Impudent aggression is the result of a firm conviction that the first military call of the West, the US and NATO will fall upon Russia that they hate, Although, as history shows, the West has repeatedly thrown its used “tools ". The masters of the West prefer to fight with the hands of puppets, rather than themselves. Their strategy: "Divide, Bleed and Conquer." It is enough for Ukraine to act as a skirmisher, a provocateur, who should put pressure on liberal Moscow and force it to retreat, step by step.

The main thing is a permanent confrontation, which weakens the Russian world, does not allow it to unite and create the potential for creating a new Union (empire) capable of equal to the West. The creators of the western new world order openly emphasize that in their plans to destroy Russia as a great world power and the super ethnicity of the Rus, as the “first people” - the anthropological, linguistic and cultural-mental core of the white race, Ukraine plays a central role. This is a shock ram by which the West wants to finally destroy Russia (the first stage was successfully completed in 1991) and bury any hopes for its revival and the appearance of an alternative, fair world order on the planet.

According to Z. Brzezinski, “Ukraine is a key state in so far as Russia’s own future evolution is affected.” In his conviction, “the emergence of an independent state of Ukraine not only forced all Russians to rethink the nature of their own political and ethnic affiliation, but also marked a great geopolitical failure of Russia of the state. Renouncement of more than 300-year Russian imperial history meant the loss of a rich industrial and agricultural economy and 52 million, ethnically and religiously most associated with Russians, who were able to turn Russia into a truly large and self-confident imperial power. ”

In recent years, the illusion of a “brotherly people” and a “friendly” Ukraine has finally collapsed. The policy pursued by Kiev unequivocally indicates that Ukraine has become a “Trojan horse”, with the help of which they will beat the Russian civilization, and a NATO foothold for an “onslaught to the East”. Ukrainian ideologists are already demanding not only “de-occupying” the Donbass and the Crimea, but they are planning to expand the expansion to other regions of Russia. Delay in resolving the “Ukrainian question” means that quite soon NATO divisions will stand on the borders of Rostov, Kursk, and Voronezh regions, propping up the Ukrainian army, which has become cannon fodder of the West in a thousand-year confrontation between Western and Russian civilizations.

Against the background of such a perspective, to continue to indulge in illusions about the “Ukrainians” is an impassable nonsense. It is necessary to dispel the myth of the "brotherly people." We are one people, Russians, Russ. Ukraine, Belaya Rus and the Russian Federation are fragments of a united Great Russia. Only some remember this, while others are dopey, zombie. Wherein The political, ideological, military and financial-economic elite, the “elite” of Ukraine are the outspoken enemies of the Russian people, war criminals, and traitors of their country's citizens, as they consciously realize the plans of the West for the cultural, linguistic and socio-economic genocide of that part Russian superethnos, which remained under the rule of Kiev. They are real Gauleiters, serfs and policemen of the West, merciless and irreconcilable enemies of the Russian people, and they should be treated accordingly. They sold themselves to the West for a well-fed and rich life, for the opportunity to be masters in the colony and integrate into the lower ranks of the global slave-owning hierarchy.

Thus, the formation of the Ukrainian ethnic chimera is due to the process of ethnic mutation of a complex of artificial changes in the mentality and ethnic dominant of individual members of the ethnic group under the influence of alien and hostile influences. An ethnomutation is always accompanied by signs of national degradation and degeneration. An ethical mutant is, as a rule, a moral and intellectual geek, a defective type in the absence of any well-established moral and religious norms and traditions. A typical example is the American "nation." The melting pot of America led to the emergence of the “American” - the most famous ethnic chimera, where the prototype of the “man of the future” was created in the new world order, “Babylon”. This is a “economic person”, that is, a consumer, a bipedal animal, without solid moral and ethical standards, civilizational, racial, national, cultural roots. The ideal slave of the New World Order.

Every nation is distinguished only by its one inherent mentality: language, a peculiarity of mental structure, a hierarchy of ethical values ​​and ideas about the world, which form a system of behavioral skills that are passed on to their generation and specific to each nation. So, for Russians truth (justice) is higher than the law, spiritual is higher than material, the general is higher than the particular, etc. This is the basis of the Russian “matrix”.

And the mentality of the “Ukrainians” is an unsystematic combination of incompatible worldviews, a complete chaos of ratings, tastes and cultural canons. At the heart of the language is southern Russian dialect, which has been distorted by the Polonisms. History is a mixture of the true history of the Russian people and a set of “Ukrainian” myths, etc. Being an ethnic chimera that exists only due to support from the West, Ukrainian society exists under the constant threat of disintegration and complete destruction, hence the uncertainty about the future and black envy of Europe, USA and Canada, hatred of everything Russian. The basis of "Ukrainians" is anger, envy, fear and hatred, as well as creeping at the representatives of the West, the "masters" (servile psychology). It is a society of destruction, not of creation, a dead-end path of development, the fate of which is obvious - historical non-existence.

The only thing that rallies the “Ukrainians” is hatred for everything Russian (in the background, Poles and Jews), which inevitably leads to war and disintegration, which we observe. At the household level, it is a craving for a “beautiful life”, “like over a hill”. “Ukrainian dream” is a full and trouble-free life. The philosophy of "bread and circuses" - the ultimate dream. At the same time, many are ready to be servile servants in the West - dancers, harlots, nurses, low-skilled workers, mercenaries, etc. That is, ethnographic material, with the complete loss of cultural, national roots. Hence the depopulation (extinction) of Russians in Ukraine.

It must be said that the similar psychology of a beautiful and well-fed life, without problems and “complexes” (morality), is actively promoted by the enemies of the Russian people in the Russian Federation. Entire TV channels do it from morning till morning. The price of such a life for a narrow layer of opportunists, usurers and parasites is the extinction and death of a great civilization, a super ethnic group of Rus. A people who have lost their mind and will, the ability to dream of other planets and a dash to the stars, will become the ethnographic material for the masters of the West and the East.

For the majority of citizens of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, there will be no “beautiful life” with the current model of the state and socio-economic relations. South Russia has always been a sort of strategic corridor through which huge hordes from East to West, or from West to East, passed from century to century. This infinite movement and opposition is predetermined by the geopolitical position of the Ukraine. In particular, ideologues and leaders of the Third Reich showed it perfectly. Little Russia is the most important part of the Russian world, with the help of which you can inflict enormous strategic, economic, cultural and demographic damage on Russian civilization. This is the front line, where for a thousand years there has been a confrontation between two antagonistic, irreconcilable civilizations: the Western and the Russian. At the same time, from time to time the Islamic civilization is included in the struggle - the Ottoman Empire (Turkey), which also pushes the West.

There can be no “independent” and “neutral” Ukraine-Little Russia. Firstly, the Ukrainian “elite”, in its essence, is serfs, people who have risen from mud to riches, with gangster, thieves' psychology. Such an “elite” cannot play an independent role, become a separate center of power. Therefore, the Ukrainian leaders and kowtow in front of the representatives of Berlin, Brussels and Washington.

Second, the Southern Russia (Small Russia) can only be an integral part of Russian civilization, or as a Russophobic, Uniate-Catholic "Ukraine" - as a fighting ram, a bridgehead of the West, a cannon fodder of the NATO military machine, which is not a pity to send to the hottest place for slaughter , after all, Russians will still die, reducing the potential of the Rus superethnos. Therefore, the Ukrainian hut will never be on the edge. And even the theoretical death of the Russian civilization and the Russian people will only accelerate the extinction of the “Ukrainians”. Without Russia, they will become unnecessary rubbish, waste material that can be finally thrown into the historic landfill and assimilated. Not for nothing, plans to turn Ukraine’s territory into a reservation for millions of refugees from Africa and the Arab world began to appear.

It is clear that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Ukraine do not understand this. The entire state system, from kindergartens and schools to TV, is aimed at zombies and programming. Those individuals who understand the danger of total “Ukrainization”, or hide their views so as not to become victims, or flee or are purposefully destroyed (like Oles Buzin). In order to break this mechanism, informational and military-political de-occupation of this part of Russian civilization is necessary. Following the example of how the Red Army liberated the territory of the Ukrainian SSR in 1943-1944. from the Nazis. Then a public military tribunal is needed for war criminals and enemies of the people with their physical liquidation. Large-scale program for denazification and Russification.

Tales of false patriots that Ukraine has already been lost forever, and millions of “Ukrainians”, all as one stand up in defense of “separatism”, are not worth listening to. There are only a few thousand active "Ukrainizers", they are easy to track. Some tens of thousands of incurably zombie will take Europe, Canada and the United States. The army of Ukraine will collapse at the first onslaught and the valiant warriors will run home. You can use the American experience in Iraq, buy a few dozen military and police officials, who will surrender the main directions and cities. Once again, the West will accuse it of “aggression” and introduce new sanctions, which will allow real industrialization to begin in the Russian Federation and return the status of the scientific, industrial and agricultural center of Little Russia. The masses of the population, which confirms the experience of dozens of revolutions and wars, including the 1991 counterrevolution in the collapse of the USSR, which worsened the life of 90-95% of the population, will be passive and support the winner. Then a long and routine work is needed to restore Russianness. The reunification of Great and Little Russia will give a huge passionary effect, an order of magnitude stronger than “Crimea is ours!” This will enable the launch of the USSR-2 restoration project, exit the Fourth World War as a winner, becoming the leading creative power of the Earth.

It must be remembered that all processes are reversible. Our geopolitical enemies and “partners” have been creating the “Ukrainian ethnic chimera” for more than one century. Restoration of historical justice and integrity of the Russian super-ethnos is the most important task, without it the creation of the USSR-2 (Russian Union, Russian Empire) is impossible. Do not leave tens of millions of Russian under the rule of the invaders. We should know and remember that the “Ukrainian Chimera” was born only in the 20th century as a result of the planned Ukrainization of Russian Little Russia by foreign centers hostile to Russia. Trotskyists-internationalists created the Ukrainian statehood - the Ukrainian SSR; they gave artificial “move” the status of a national language. However, the ethnic character of the population of South Russia - Little Russia - this did not change: as it was a thousand, five hundred and two hundred years ago, it remained Russian. Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk, Poltava, Chernigov, Pereyaslavl-Russian, Lviv, Vladimir-Volynsky, Odessa are Russian cities.

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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 February 2016 07: 03
    10
    "Ukrainian ethnic chimera"
    As history shows, for each chimera there is a Sudoplatov ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 2 February 2016 10: 22
      +3
      You never know what was there 700-800 years ago and how it took centuries to form. It is important that we now do with all this mess. We have no opportunity now to use such a long-term historical perspective ...
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 2 February 2016 11: 00
        +5
        The presented freedom is short-lived, because it is not valued. It has been more than once. Therefore, they will have to pay for their stupidity with their own blood.
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 2 February 2016 13: 29
        +9
        marlin1203

        I do not agree with you.

        A people who do not know their history have no future.

        By this we will become like, thereby the Ukram, whom we despise so much.
        They also do not know their story, and for some reason they are proud of it. They are proud to have betrayed their ancestors and their people.

        Try to talk with someone from Maydanuty.
        They will load you so much with the "history of Ukraine" that your head will swell.
        And it is useless to argue with them - you will never convince them of anything. Just because you are Russian, which means an enemy.

        All your references to history books, historical documents will not have any effect on them. You will be told that these are fakes and the machinations of "her".

        Therefore, it is necessary to understand.
        And you need to start from the very beginning, namely with the history of the Russian people. And if their logical thinking has not yet completely atrophied, then the conclusions will come by themselves.
        1. Temples
          Temples 2 February 2016 15: 14
          +9
          They also do not know their story, and for some reason they are proud of it.

          It is impossible to know that which is not and was not.
          Ukraine is 25 years old.
          Here in these years is their story.

          The West managed in 91 to tear off the land without military action.
          You need to learn this.
          And the return of the Crimea indicates that they have learned.

          But it is not necessary to call for the forced return of lands.
          This is a demonstration of powerlessness.
          The head needs to be thought, not shouted by it.)))
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 2 February 2016 15: 43
            +1
            Конечно.

            But this is 25 years of history of the state called "Ukraine" and the citizens of Ukraine (of various nationalities), and not the "Ukrainian people" as an ethnos.
            That is the difference.
        2. kam4atka
          kam4atka 3 February 2016 04: 05
          +1
          try to talk with our regards to the story be surprised). What can I say if the events of 20 years ago in official sources are interpreted as more suitable for whom.
          There are historians who are familiar (they have diplomas) so they speak with all confidence with foam at the mouth and fanatical faith (well ... they wear it) Stalin destroyed 50 million Russians !!!
          I was amazed to hear this.
    2. Suvorov
      Suvorov 3 February 2016 01: 10
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      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      As history shows, for each chimera there is a Sudoplatov ...

      In 1989-91. it was necessary, having displaced the power of the CPSU, to return to the origins: to historical Russia before the October 1917 coup. To recognize the October coup as illegal, to restore the Russian state within the generally recognized borders of the USSR. Perhaps even recognize the royal debts as received by legitimate authority. After that, deal with the internal borders, endowing the loyal peoples of the former USSR with their autonomy. Those national political elites who spoke from “separatist positions” were deprived of such pleasure by introducing direct control from the “center” of the “rebellious territories.” Over time, moderate nationalists would appear in these lands, with whom a dialogue on autonomy could be conducted. the inviolability of borders had to be fought! As now the nationalists of the Baltics, Georgia and Ukraine are fighting for their lands received from historical Russia as a “gift.” But then there were no sane political forces that could do this. Perhaps they were, but theirs did not hear, all newspapers and television and radio channels were “crammed” with “liberal propaganda.” During the Soviet era, the Russian super-ethnos was so “de-Russified” that it could not defend its vital interests. Without a fight, surrendered vast territories with ethnic Russians to the control of “local nationalist forces. ”He humiliated himself to the“ extreme ”in front of the Western“ partners. ”Yes, economically the Soviet Union was not in the best shape, but the economy could be“ improved ”. All fantasies about the impending "famine" in the late USSR do not stand up to criticism. It was only necessary to correct the "price imbalance" and the products would immediately appear in stores, since the foodstuffs of the USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe (which were in the zone of our influence) produced enough. This was proposed by the Ryzhkov Government, but the "populist deputies" did not allow this to be done, and President Gorbachev did not support his Government. And now it is necessary to correct "mistakes", even at the cost of worsening relations with some CIS countries. Friendly "regimes" should be given guarantees of preserving independence until they become "unfriendly". With the latter "deal" "in an adult way" despite the "cries" of the West. There is no other way out. But an assessment of 1917 (both positive and negative) and 1991 will still have to be given ...
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 2 February 2016 07: 06
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    Samsonov, as always, is peremptory and straightforward, and, as practice shows, real life is much more confusing and much more tortuous.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 2 February 2016 08: 59
      +7
      Yes, the withdrawal of the Poles from the glades is a historical novel I have not heard before the village.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 2 February 2016 11: 10
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Yes, the withdrawal of the Poles from the glades is a historical novel I have not heard before the village.

        It’s quite a normal theory. Western glades are the basis for the formation of the Polish nation.
      2. venaya
        venaya 2 February 2016 17: 05
        0
        Quote: Nikolai K
        the withdrawal of the Poles from the glades is a historical novel not heard by me before the village.

        It surprised me too. Different variants of the sound of the name of this country are based on the Latin origin Polonia with the root of the Old Russian word "full" - goods, production. The version of the origin from the word "field" is not visible here. Although a similar version existed, it is not quite convincing.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 February 2016 09: 40
      10
      In this case, everything is really simple - Kiev was the capital of the Rcy, and not something incomprehensible.
      Thanks to the utopian idealists for creating a "fraternal people".
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 2 February 2016 12: 28
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        Quote: Dart2027
        Kiev was the capital of the Rcci, and not what.

        Yes, until 1241 Kiev was the capital of the Russian Kiev principality. After the Mongol invasion, many Russian territories were so depopulated and exhausted that they fell under the rule of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (not to be confused with modern Lithuania), which existed until 1791. And now we will calculate how many years These territories were not Russian. 550 years! From the Russians they made ... whom? Not Russians. Despite the fact that the average life expectancy then did not exceed 40 years. How many generations have changed? 14 generations! During this period, a new people may not have arisen, but the ethnos-formed tochno.So its language and customs claim that these are also Ukrainian lands! But after all, there was such a phenomenon as the Smolensk gentry, that is, in the Smolensk region nobles recognized the Polish-Lithuanian power received "privileges". And you say: "sold out, defectors, not the people, not brothers." 550 years of Catholic expansion! How is there still something Russian left. And after all, there is a lot left! We need to fight for this, not to yield their interests to the West. And if you give up everything and say with all your hearts: "Yes, they all ... non-brothers", then they will. And with Ukraine will be the same as with Poland. Russia will get Anti-Russia right next to it. This is necessary Russians in Russia? Do the Russians need it in Ukraine? No? So help those Russian forces that still remain in Ukraine, not only in the Donbass.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 2 February 2016 13: 44
          +9
          revnagan

          You forget about the Pereyaslav Rada, the creation of Little Russia and New Russia, the Russian-Turkish wars with the participation of the Cossacks, the dispersal of the Zaporizhzhya Army, the relocation of Cossacks to the Kuban, and the formation of the Kuban Cossack Army.

          However, if you ask the Kuban people for their opinion on modern Ukraine, you will get a clearly negative answer. Maydanuty simply despised.

          I myself am from the Cossacks and I remember just such an attitude in the Kuban to Khokhlov back in Soviet times.

          Although, to whom if not descendants of the Zaporozhye Cossacks, this topic should be close. However, they consider themselves Russian, not Ukrainian. This is a fact.

          And the ethnic group was formed in the Kuban, and certainly not in the territory of modern Ukraine.
          The term "Ukraine" surfaced during the 1st World War with the help of Austrians and Germans. This has already been proven.
        2. ism_ek
          ism_ek 2 February 2016 14: 38
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          Quote: revnagan
          that came under the rule of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

          The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was an alternative center for collecting Russian lands. Russian people also lived there and they spoke Russian. The fact that the Lithuanian dynasty ruled there doesn’t mean anything; the same Romanovs, after Peter the Great, were Germans. Lithuania was lost to Moscow in a dispute over the primacy of the unification of Russian lands and everything went towards its integration into the Moscow state.

          The author is not there looking for a problem. But the problem began before the First World War. Part of the Russian lands ended up in the Austrian Empire. And very drawn to Russia. Austrians from these Russians began to intensively create a new Ukrainian ethnic group. The Austrians created the Ukrainian language. The history of the so-called Ukrainian people is written.
          The nation Ukrainians did not exist until the beginning of the 20th century.

          Unfortunately, the Bolsheviks during the creation of the USSR, the tale about the Ukrainian and Belarusian people was beneficial. The founder of the Ukrainian ethnic group - Grushevsky began to work for the Communists. The Ukrainian language was developed. The entire population of Ukraine began to study it at school without fail. Books began to be printed in Ukrainian, etc.
          Putin correctly stated recently that Lenin was very wrong in creating the USSR. The risks that the Ukraine project would get out of control were not calculated by him.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 2 February 2016 15: 50
            +2
            Quote: ism_ek
            Lenin made a big mistake when creating the USSR. The risks that the project "Ukraine" will get out of control were not calculated by him

            As I wrote:
            Quote: Dart2027
            Thanks to the utopian idealists for creating a "fraternal people".
          2. Your friend
            Your friend 2 February 2016 16: 43
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            Quote: ism_ek
            The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was an alternative center for collecting Russian lands. Russian people also lived there and they spoke Russian. The fact that the Lithuanian dynasty ruled there doesn’t mean anything; the same Romanovs, after Peter the Great, were Germans. Lithuania was lost to Moscow in a dispute over the primacy of the unification of Russian lands and everything went towards its integration into the Moscow state.

            About how - Elizaveta Petrovna was German, Peter 2 was German, Anna Ioannovna was German.
            Do Lithuanian historians agree that ON was a Russian principality? The eternal attachment to the success of the ON of some Ukrainians and Belarusians touches. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was never an alternative center for gathering Russian lands, because if that were so, then Lithuania would completely absorb the weak, fragmented principalities of northeastern Russia. If this were so, then ON would never have fallen under Catholic, non-Russian Poland.
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 2 February 2016 16: 54
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              Quote: Your friend
              About how - Elizaveta Petrovna was German, Peter 2 was German, Anna Ioannovna was German.

              Anna Ivanovna is an exception to the rule. Elizabeth's mother was Marta Krause (Catherine I). The mother of Peter II was Charlotte Christina Braunschweig-Wolfenbuttelskaya.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 2 February 2016 17: 02
                0
                Quote: ism_ek
                Quote: Your friend
                About how - Elizaveta Petrovna was German, Peter 2 was German, Anna Ioannovna was German.

                Anna Ivanovna is an exception to the rule. Elizabeth's mother was Marta Krause (Catherine I). The mother of Peter II was Charlotte Christina Braunschweig-Wolfenbuttelskaya.

                Does that automatically make them Germans? Actually, you categorically stated that after Peter 1 everyone was Germans, what are you arguing with now?
            2. ism_ek
              ism_ek 2 February 2016 17: 05
              +2
              Quote: Your friend
              Do Lithuanian historians agree that ON was a Russian principality?
              All written sources of the ON which came to us were written in the Old Belorussian language, which is essentially a dialect of the Russian language.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 2 February 2016 17: 16
                -1
                Quote: ism_ek
                Quote: Your friend
                Do Lithuanian historians agree that ON was a Russian principality?
                All written sources of the ON which came to us were written in the Old Belorussian language, which is essentially a dialect of the Russian language.

                Once again, do Lithuanian historians agree that ON was a Russian principality?
                According to the language - that is, on the territory of the GDT there were no sources in Latin, in Polish? Are you serious?
                1. ism_ek
                  ism_ek 2 February 2016 19: 19
                  +1

                  What does modern Lithuania have to do with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania?
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 2 February 2016 21: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: ism_ek
                    What does modern Lithuania have to do with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania?

                    Ahahaha ... Are you delusional? Yes, really any ??? Then why ... you wrote - "The fact that the Lithuanian dynasty ruled us there does not mean anything." You have big problems with logic.
                2. ism_ek
                  ism_ek 2 February 2016 19: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Your friend

                  According to the language - that is, on the territory of the GDT there were no sources in Latin, in Polish? Are you serious?

                  The question is rhetorical?
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 2 February 2016 21: 39
                    -1
                    Quote: ism_ek
                    Quote: Your friend

                    According to the language - that is, on the territory of the GDT there were no sources in Latin, in Polish? Are you serious?

                    The question is rhetorical?

                    Hahaha ... no.)))
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 2 February 2016 15: 49
          +3
          Quote: revnagan
          Grand Duchy of Lithuania

          The ON was not completely Western, or rather a mixture of both, so it’s not quite right to contrast Russia with it
  3. ltc22A
    ltc22A 2 February 2016 07: 26
    13
    Thank you so much for the article. The only pity is that in Little Russia and Novorossia (the term "Ukraine" refers to the former Polish regions taken away by Stalin in 1939), few people will read, and if they do, they will say "Moscow's intrigues."
    1. Kachesgm
      Kachesgm 2 February 2016 10: 00
      +6
      These "former" Polish regions were captured by Poland during the Civil War of 1918-1921. So don't give them to them. Moreover, after Catherine II, Poland as such did not become ... Until the events of the early 2th century.
  4. magician
    magician 2 February 2016 07: 38
    +3
    interesting article. hooked!
    1. Voice of the Mind
      Voice of the Mind 2 February 2016 09: 14
      +5
      Article +1 for emotionality and -100 for knowledge of factual material and consistency.
      After all, even try to single out a purebred Ukrainian, it is unlikely to succeed. For 350 years, too often the blood has mixed up. 99% of Russian relatives have (great) grandmothers or (great) grandfathers
      Everything is much simpler.
      According to some estimates, up to 40% of the working-age population of Ukraine is working in other countries and, in the overwhelming majority, by "illegal immigrants". So they want to go to Europe, as they will instantly receive salaries as "legalists", and they will provide social insurance for themselves.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 February 2016 07: 39
    +1
    Ethnomation is always accompanied by signs of national degradation and degeneration.


    A kind of cross between ukronatsist with ALL and ALL Russian rejection.
    This explosive mixture will be divided into pieces and pieces - then great-eye and whine !!! fellow
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2016 07: 40
    +6
    It must be remembered that all processes are reversible. ..Russia, unique .. as it was not chopped into pieces, for many centuries .. reunited ..
  7. My address
    My address 2 February 2016 07: 47
    +8
    I add my half to the respected article hi by:

    I sharply distinguish Ukrainians who live, for example, in my Urals, also the majority of Ukrainians in the south-east of Ukraine from dill. The concentration of dill rises to the west of dill. The founders are right - being determines consciousness.

    Already mentioned that due to a number of factors of economic geography, dill are much more egoists than the Russians. Everything is given to them easier than living in Russia, and they consider this to be the norm. Naturally, it is easier for them to embed in their heads that everything could be much better if it were not for Russia. This is the first.

    The second, which follows from the first, is that dill is less susceptible to salvific self-criticism (dill thinks: "It is given to me almost immediately, so I am not mistaken"). As a result, dill will do stupid things, believing that this is not stupidity, but such a path to the shining peaks. And when he sees that he is sitting in a hole with this very head over heels, he will never admit it. To confess for him is like saying that his parents, himself, his friends and his idols come from the glorious de Beale family.

    So the sobering up in the ukropsky head may have come, but he does not admit it and therefore he agrees to his own broken eye, hoping that the neighbor will suddenly become completely blind.

    Anecdote in the topic:
    In the jungles of Africa, an aborigine, hearing about what is happening in Ukraine, said to a friend: "Savages."
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 2 February 2016 08: 45
      +4
      I agree. I add that in Ukraine, many Russians live, quite adequate sane people.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 11: 07
      +2
      Quote: My address
      I sharply distinguish Ukrainians who live, for example, in my Urals, also the majority of Ukrainians in the south-east of Ukraine from dill. The concentration of dill rises to the west of dill. The founders are right - being determines consciousness.

      Come on you. The biggest haters of Russia are quite Russian-speaking, eastern residents of Ukraine. They say that mostly in Russian, but they only perceive movu by ear. Dnepropetrovsk is just a hotbed of dill.
  8. Pitot
    Pitot 2 February 2016 07: 49
    +4
    I think History, aunt Clio, though capricious, but loves to joke and put on the shelves ..... I think so, for kaklov shelves not found .... Time works for Russia.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 2 February 2016 08: 30
      0
      Quote: Pitot
      History, aunt Clio,

      ... Clio's muse.
  9. Balagan
    Balagan 2 February 2016 07: 50
    +3
    Yes, it has long been clear that the so-called pure Ukrainians are hostile non-Russians. And the hostile non-Russians-re-generators should not do nofik on Russian lands. Russian lands - see the geographical map of 1916
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 2 February 2016 08: 12
      +2
      Quote: booth
      Yes, it has long been clear that the so-called pure Ukrainians are hostile non-Russians. And the hostile non-Russians-re-generators should not do nofik on Russian lands.
      All mankurts must be cleaned in the most radical way.
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    3. Lelek
      Lelek 2 February 2016 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: booth
      Russian lands - see the geographical map of 1916


      There is a gift card for Krajina:
  10. Mik13
    Mik13 2 February 2016 07: 57
    -6
    Dear Author!
    If you are trying to substantiate your ambiguous conclusions about the features of Ukrainian ethnogenesis with historical facts, try to get acquainted with these facts at least on Wikipedia.

    So far, the historical part of the article is on a par with proto-ornaments that dug the Black Sea.

    The rest is quite adequate, so I can not unambiguously evaluate the article.

    So I recommend acting according to Lenin's covenants - to study, study and study ...
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 February 2016 08: 01
    +5
    opinion about "Ukrainians" as an "ethnos", "fraternal Slavic people"

    It seems to me that over the past two years this opinion has disappeared from the majority of Russians, has dissipated. Even a deeply religious Christian will not be able to calmly observe what is happening there for so long and constantly feel the dirt of this "brotherly people" poured out on you.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      opinion about "Ukrainians" as an "ethnos", "fraternal Slavic people"

      It seems to me that over the past two years this opinion has disappeared from the majority of Russians, has dissipated. Even a deeply religious Christian will not be able to calmly observe what is happening there for so long and constantly feel the dirt of this "brotherly people" poured out on you.

      There are still others, even at the top of our state.)
  12. Pitot
    Pitot 2 February 2016 08: 10
    +5
    Who recommends teaching or learning History on a wiki - a dangerous comrade - or an enemy or dumb as a stool (s) ....
  13. Homo
    Homo 2 February 2016 08: 26
    +1
    "A huge mistake of a significant part of the patriotic public in Russia is the opinion about the" Ukrainians "as an" ethnos ", a" fraternal Slavic people. "
    What is this about? Whom does the author call the “patriotic community”? Moreover, and "a significant part"? If the liberals headed by Navalny and Kasyanov, then which of them are patriots, and even a significant part? And so I have not noticed the desire of the people on our forum to recognize the descendants of the great ukrov ethnos! Yes, they are no longer considered "fraternal people".
  14. V.ic
    V.ic 2 February 2016 08: 28
    +2
    It must be remembered that all processes are reversible. Author Samsonov Alexander

    A very rash statement. Let the author try to transfer heat from a less heated body to a more heated one. Only in the refrigerator, due to the cost of energy supplied from the outside, therefore, its efficiency is "more than 100%". Natural course of processes = with increasing entropy. You can't grow currants from "dill".
  15. Scud
    Scud 2 February 2016 08: 29
    0
    A crest will remain a crest, Though you let him into Europe where you need to act wisely, he only strains the train. And that is why in Russia it was bequeathed by Monomakh that God forbid contact with the three-Jewish Khokhl and Poles. The Jew is insidious, although he is blind and puffy Poles worse than the pohs of the Crest, but he will eat bread with you and then shit in your soup. ,, Ukrainians ,, T.G. Shevchenko 1851
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 February 2016 08: 40
    +1
    And how does this article relate to the previous topic "Galician historical inferiority complex".
    The first says that the basis for Russophobia is Galicia, which brazenly violating all generally accepted norms of people penetrated all of Ukraine using bandiuk methods in the 90s.
    The same article says that all of Ukraine is saturated with Russophobia, which is wrong in my opinion, since we see the Crimea, Donbass, and everything is not so clear on the rest of the territory.
    For me personally, the first option is closer, and people, sane people, I think will give their assessment, you just need to stir them up, you understand what I mean.
  17. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 2 February 2016 08: 52
    +6
    In Ukraine, not ethnic, but ideological confrontation.
    A man dills not by birthright, due to some national characteristics, but as a result of mistakes in education.
    A crack often passes through families — half for Russia, half ready for lace cowards to the West to flee, work in shifts.
    From literally any part of Russia, you can make "Ukraine". Interestingly, there are i-diots and lovers of Maidan cookies everywhere.
  18. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 February 2016 09: 42
    +3
    Well, they came up with concepts - Ukrainian, Ukrainian, dill.
    We must now classify it somehow. smile
    Ukrainians - Russian people are sick on the head.
    Or so:
    The Ukrainian is a distraught Russian.
    Ukrainian is a sold Russian man.
    Ukkr is a convinced enemy of Russia and the Russian world - a polite Russian man.
    Dill is a debilized, uneducated Ukrainian.

    Correct if something is wrong ... smile
  19. Dimontius
    Dimontius 2 February 2016 10: 19
    +1
    So people, this is no fucking fun! I xs from the point of view of history as it was .. but to promote such theses that are highlighted in black - smacks of something bad, like Goebbels !! maybe they are fraternal, because our citizens got married all over so many centuries, i.e. in fact? I have 4 people from our company who have close relatives from Ukraine and at the same time they are ready to break everyone who comes to us with a sword. What kind of mutation are we talking about ??? mentality, dominant, antogonism I just want to ask, do you bear the author ?? and I’ll give advice about our Russian nature, we don’t need to describe it, most importantly we feel it from the inside. Why not talk about it to the whole world, let them guess. I know for sure that thanks to this riddle we live on 1/8 of the land, and not on 1/100.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: Dimontius
      So people, this is no fucking fun! I xs from the point of view of history as it was .. but to promote such theses that are highlighted in black - smacks of something bad, like Goebbels !! maybe they are fraternal, because our citizens got married all over so many centuries, i.e. in fact? I have 4 people from our company who have close relatives from Ukraine and at the same time they are ready to break everyone who comes to us with a sword. What kind of mutation are we talking about ??? mentality, dominant, antogonism I just want to ask, do you bear the author ?? and I’ll give advice about our Russian nature, we don’t need to describe it, most importantly we feel it from the inside. Why not talk about it to the whole world, let them guess. I know for sure that thanks to this riddle we live on 1/8 of the land, and not on 1/100.

      You Ukrainians about the fraternity, and they are in your face a juicy spit. Are you tired of it?
  20. el coyote
    el coyote 2 February 2016 10: 42
    +1
    Bears Nazism in full growth. What other mutants, surround yourself! Russia is a multinational country! One stupid person who insisted that everyone who is not of a nationality who is not necessary - everyone was going to the bonfire, already got nuts! What is the difference between Russian, Belarusian, Kazakh, Ukrainian or Georgian ?! It is important that a person has a head, not blood! I will be glad a black man in my country if he doesn’t drive anyone with a pitchfork. Once again, sucking on the theme of race, nation, ethnic group - the path is known where. It’s necessary to connect people’s ideas, not blood in the veins! fool
  21. 31rus
    31rus 2 February 2016 11: 24
    -1
    Dear, here is an example of an erroneous approach to the Ukrainian problem, according to the author, my brother, aunt, uncle living in Ukraine are Ukrainians by nation, but in fact Russians are "orcs", with this approach you can go far. "Ukrainian chimera" is all two regions of Ukraine, everything else is grown up and already brought up in our time, not without the tacit consent of Russia, when business was and continues to be placed above relations, complex and contradictory. All these articles only exacerbate the crisis between peoples. It is worth noting separately the position of the Russian government itself, the Kremlin's inaction, flirting with the EU playing Ukraine and leading to the fact that many in Ukraine already do not see Russia as a support, not a defender, that is, the very roots and ties are lost, starting from family relations to state relations, here is the main problem, which skillfully uses the West
  22. Sergelis
    Sergelis 2 February 2016 11: 33
    -2
    for some reason I would like to recall the article of the Criminal Code on inciting ethnic hatred.
  23. miha77
    miha77 2 February 2016 11: 48
    +2
    people like us live in Ukraine just like you and I were just unlucky to live where the elite passed everything and in fact now there is a maximum of one percent of the population determines the entire state policy
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 13: 50
      0
      Quote: miha77
      people like us live in Ukraine just like you and I were just unlucky to live where the elite passed everything and in fact now there is a maximum of one percent of the population determines the entire state policy

      Ooooh, i.e. not these "people like us" voted for a parachute with a yayenyukh? Are not these "people like us" jumping into atoms and killing people like us from Donbass? Why the Crimea and Donbass did not want to tolerate this "elite", but "people like us" quite tolerate themselves and even go to rallies, arrange lustrations. Let me go to any 404 site with you and tell us how "they were unlucky to live where the elite passed everything," and listen to their answers. Let's do an experiment?
  24. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik 2 February 2016 13: 11
    -7
    Another vyser hooray-patriot who does not know history. And it is very painful to read like that, almost all my ancestors have a pedigree from Ukraine, and what am I a mutant? Or are my ancestors mutants? And who are you then? And all of you who so violently support this? Reading like this one gets the feeling that the West exists only to spoil us. But you will remember that we spoil ourselves. The scoop fell apart not because the West was to blame but because the people did not support it. Did anyone stop this? No. The Russian Federation was the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, but it did not give a damn about its obligations as Germany in 1941. And you wonder why we have sanctions. Ukrainian junta? But your God-chosen Putin recognized them. In the 1990s, who recognized that Crimea is Ukraine? Isn't Russia an hour? No? Let me wait for the theses on the protorossians who lived 100 years ago in the vast expanses of the Ukrainian steppe. Well, about the Russian babies eaten at night.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 13: 45
      +5
      Quote: Cityman
      Another vyser hooray-patriot who does not know history. And it is very painful to read like that, almost all my ancestors have a pedigree from Ukraine, and what am I a mutant? Or are my ancestors mutants? And who are you then? And all of you who so violently support this? Reading like this one gets the feeling that the West exists only to spoil us. But you will remember that we spoil ourselves. The scoop fell apart not because the West was to blame but because the people did not support it. Did anyone stop this? No. The Russian Federation was the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, but it did not give a damn about its obligations as Germany in 1941. And you wonder why we have sanctions. Ukrainian junta? But your God-chosen Putin recognized them. In the 1990s, who recognized that Crimea is Ukraine? Isn't Russia an hour? No? Let me wait for the theses on the protorossians who lived 100 years ago in the vast expanses of the Ukrainian steppe. Well, about the Russian babies eaten at night.

      Another vyser protoucre - a hash of Putin, a scoop, babies. You messed up the sites, you are on the censor.))))
    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 2 February 2016 14: 12
      0
      Gorodovik

      "... almost all of my ancestors trace their ancestry back to Ukraine, and why am I a mutant ..."

      And before the state of Ukraine was formed, there was nothing?

      Ukrainian SSR, Russian Empire, Hetmanism (Zaporizhzhya Army), Kiev, Volyn, Chernihiv (from 1503 to 1618 as a part of the Grand Duchy of Moscow), Pereyaslav, Galitsky and Volyn principality.

      You will not deny the existence of these states?

      Or were they then inhabited by "svidomo ukraintsy" by blood?

      So, it's not about mutants ...
      1. Gorodovik
        Gorodovik 2 February 2016 16: 01
        -4
        Um, you’re right here, but many nations don’t have their own state, that’s why they are neither mutants nor other garbage, it’s first, and the other thing is that the whole nation was humiliated, and the people who defeated Nazism , catch the irony. And secondly, the Ukrainians are a recognized nation, and you, with a free stroke of the pen, transferred them to the category of mutants, and why excuse me my grandfather mutant? I don’t even know what to call you.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 2 February 2016 16: 38
          +4
          Gorodovik

          Some peoples do not have their own state, and other peoples are divided by state borders.
          This is not about that.
          It's not about the statehood of the people, but about the people as such.

          Russians live in the Far East and Siberia, but this fact there is no reason to declare the Siberians and the Far East as a separate people (ethnic group).

          And the citizens of the state of Ukraine (of different nationalities) were really humiliated.
          But on the other hand, they themselves elected the Rada and the president of their country. They themselves allowed to do this with themselves.

          "And secondly, Ukrainians are a recognized people ..."

          "Ukrainians - until the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the ethnonyms" Little Russians "and" Rusyns "prevailed).
          Polesye are often referred to Ukrainians ethnographic groups (Poleschuk) and a number of Western Ukrainian ethnographic groups (Boyko, Hutsuls, Lemkos). "(VKP).

          "Little Russians (in antrum. Rel.), Or South-Rus, - one of the three Russian nationalities, exceeding, in numbers, in 4 times Belarusians and inferior in 2 ⅓ times to Great Russians. Some see in M. the descendants of the ancient glades, Uglich, Tiverds, Drevlyans and other South Russian tribes; but, apparently, most of these tribes disappeared at the beginning of Russian history, being ruined and mixed with Turkic nomads (Polovtsy, etc.), and then the country was devastated by the Mongol-Tatar invasion, and the entire remaining population fled to the west. Here, in Galicia and Volhynia, apparently, the Little Russian nationality (Small Russia) appeared, speaking already distinctly, with the peculiarities of its language, in the XIV century. from here it settled, little by little, the whole Dnieper region, giving rise to various Ukrainian dialects. (Encyclopedic Dictionary of Brockhaus and Efron (Volume 18A, 1896)).

          So decide for yourself - this is a nation, a nation or an ethnographic group.
          Personally, I am inclined to the last option.

          By the way, I myself am a Kuban Cossack by origin.
          My ancestors were resettled to the Kuban from the city of Nizhyn of the Chernigov Povet in 1821 after the disbandment of the Zaporizhzhya Army.
          My ancestors were Cossacks in the Chernihiv regiment of the Zaporizhzhya Army from the 17 century.
          And, believe me (I delved into the archives), I have no reason to be embarrassed by this fact.

          On the contrary - I am proud of them.

          And I and all my ancestors considered themselves Russian people and Orthodox, and secondarily by the "Cossacks" (there are a lot of documents on this topic in the archives, and NV Gogol (also a descendant of the Zaporozhets) mentions this in his works).

          So ignore the word mutant.
          The author meant something else.
          Namely - the impudent substitution of a Russian person for a mythical "Ukrainian".

          That's all.
          1. Gorodovik
            Gorodovik 2 February 2016 19: 07
            -2
            About glad, as for me this is their personal affair and if you don’t like it, it’s not a reason to humiliate, about elegance, you can argue for a long time, but to bring a source of more than a century ago it’s silly as for me, well, call it what you like, this is your opinion, but belittle people, forgive it low. You’ll be surprised, but I’m also from the Kuban people, from the Batalpashin department, and so, I also consider myself Russian, but I have many relatives of Ukrainians and friends as well, and the text directly states that anyone who calls themselves a Ukrainian is a mutant, so none of them is a mythical Russian antagonist, and how do I perceive this article explain? To keep silent or agree with clearly Nazi assertions?
        2. Your friend
          Your friend 2 February 2016 16: 51
          +3
          Quote: Cityman
          Um, you’re right here, but many nations don’t have their own state, that’s why they are neither mutants nor other garbage, it’s first, and the other thing is that the whole nation was humiliated, and the people who defeated Nazism , catch the irony. And secondly, the Ukrainians are a recognized nation, and you, with a free stroke of the pen, transferred them to the category of mutants, and why excuse me my grandfather mutant? I don’t even know what to call you.

          Yes, there are mutants. Only mutants can destroy monuments to the actual creators of their state, only mutants destroy any mention of the power with which fascism won, only for mutants heroes are those who are dressed in Nazi uniforms ...
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  25. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 14: 17
    +2
    Ukraine and the Russian Federation are parts of a united Russia. As long as they are divided, the economy will not work. The unification of Russia, as a competitive economic super-corporation, should not be prevented through the spread of ideologies devoid of scientific content.
  26. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 2 February 2016 15: 01
    +3
    The other day, I was in Rovaniemi, caught the aurora! I was surprised by the large number of tourists from Independent! They speak spoiled Russian, far from fictional literary Ukrainian, like heaven from earth! They behave rudely, arrogantly, they make garbage, they break everything! Dressed geeky, hung with cheap gold, women in flashy, colorful outfits, children are rude! Just like the Russians in the 90s. My mother’s wife and I are Ukrainian, but, looking at this indecency, they decided that a crest is not a nationality, but a state of mind, regardless of surname (there were Bondarchuk, Petrov, and Bershteyn there)! Turkish tourists in comparison with them are real Europeans!
  27. Recoil
    Recoil 2 February 2016 15: 36
    0
    Man, you are fomenting ... Specifically, on this corpus delicti.

    “It turned out that a real“ Ukrainian ”is, as a rule, a hater and denier of everything Russian. Actually, being a“ Ukrainian ”means being an ill-wisher, an antagonist of the Russian superethnos, the Russian state, the Russian language and culture. In fact,“ Ukrainians ”are“ orcs "From the fantastic world of Tolkien, that is, elves corrupted by the dark force, who fiercely hate everything from the world of elves, because at the subconscious level they feel their own inferiority. This is fully confirmed by the so-called current Ukrainian elite - there is nowhere to put brands!"

    Calm down - you are likened to the victims of the Maydan propaganda, but with a different pole.
  28. Vega
    Vega 2 February 2016 15: 54
    +3
    A Ukrainian, especially from the West, is primarily a peasant, an owner. These peasants came to Lviv in the 30s and 40s, knocking out Poles, Russians, Jews and other peoples from there. Even having received an education and being erudite, he still thinks and cares only about his "wallet-garden" and only at the current time. He simply cannot look further, the "pan" should do it for him, and this has been hammered into consciousness for centuries. Therefore, those same "lords" come to power.
  29. Andrew87
    Andrew87 2 February 2016 16: 15
    +1
    Now my opinion is as a Ukrainian. We Ukrainians consider the history of Russia to be our history, just as Christians consider the Old Testament (Judaism) in the Bible to be part of their religion.
    Ukraine honors and loves the history of Russia, but for us it is the Old Testament.
    Just as Christianity emerged from Judaism in the 1st century, so did Ukrainians emerged from Russia. Ukraine has its own language, culture and nation. There is no turning back.
    The author wrote another Nazi-pseudoscientific article for pumping aggressive kvass jingoism and chauvinism, seasoned with a thick layer of conspiracy theories.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: Andrew87
      Now my opinion is as a Ukrainian. We Ukrainians consider the history of Russia to be our history, just as Christians consider the Old Testament (Judaism) in the Bible to be part of their religion.
      Ukraine honors and loves the history of Russia, but for us it is the Old Testament.
      Just as Christianity emerged from Judaism in the 1st century, so did Ukrainians emerged from Russia. Ukraine has its own language, culture and nation. There is no turning back.
      The author wrote another Nazi-pseudoscientific article for pumping aggressive kvass jingoism and chauvinism, seasoned with a thick layer of conspiracy theories.

      Ahahaha ... You forgot to write "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!")))
  30. with
    with 2 February 2016 16: 28
    +2
    The author is right - it’s a ram against us.
  31. with
    with 2 February 2016 16: 28
    +2
    The author is right - it’s a ram against us.
    1. Andrew87
      Andrew87 2 February 2016 16: 31
      -2
      THIS is a fictitious quote. Like the quote from Bismarck
  32. with
    with 2 February 2016 16: 31
    +6
    Repetitive ramming in history, infection with psychic bacilli, that is what "Svidomost" or true Ukrainianity is. They rewrote books, made the Ukrainian faith, indicated the "enemy".
  33. PKTRL
    PKTRL 2 February 2016 17: 31
    +3
    Quote: Mik13
    Dear Author!
    If you are trying to substantiate your ambiguous conclusions about the features of Ukrainian ethnogenesis with historical facts, try to get acquainted with these facts at least on Wikipedia.

    So far, the historical part of the article is on a par with proto-ornaments that dug the Black Sea.

    The rest is quite adequate, so I can not unambiguously evaluate the article.

    So I recommend acting according to Lenin's covenants - to study, study and study ...


    For you, a special offer: I will buy an expensive Primer of the Ukrainian language (do not offer the Kulishovsky phrasebook of the 19th century) until 1918, the Big and Small Encyclopedias of Ukraine until 1918, the Ukrainian passport until 1918, the globe of Ukraine, etc. wink
    Dedicated to all "admirers" of Wikipedia. hi
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 21 October 2016 15: 47
      0
      Do you think that by virtuoso and witty by your statement about the purchase of the above-mentioned books and documents, you put an end to the "chauvinistic" question of the existence of Ukrainians? (although I understand that this is just one of several clichés circulated on the Internet, thrown in to inflate mutual hatred)
      So, back to the topic of special offers - I will buy and continue to use the Primer of the Malay language until 1918, the Greater and Lesser Encyclopedias of Malaysia until 1918, the Malay passport until 1918, the globe of Malaysia, etc.
      Or instead of the Malay we will insert the Punjabi, or another hundred nationalities. And what if there are none, then there are none of these nations?
      Lavrov coughs from you.
  34. Gunther
    Gunther 2 February 2016 20: 21
    +1
    "Ukrainians" are under constant pressure of hatred for Russians and all Russian. Earlier, countless different large-scale Russophobic events were organized for this ...

    The article is correct, plus to the author, but what was done to prevent this from happening?
    Who was sent to Ukraine - the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin, who "ate" the murder of our citizen in the Kiev court and did not do nichrome to protect the interests of Russia, or the worthless Zurab, for whom, in my opinion, the White Swan yearns.
    When there was an opportunity (state coup - Yanyk's flight) to reunite the Russian lands, Surkov's puppets warmed up by the Kremlin battery, looking back at the Europeans, shouted "do you want zinc coffins", as a result we got (to paraphrase Churchill) and shame and zinc coffins.
  35. Waciak
    Waciak 2 February 2016 20: 35
    +1
    In short ... ... an interesting article.
    After reading this article, I suspect that his author is not necessarily the woman who needs to have sex. laughing

    Ukraine, Belaya Rus and the Russian Federation are fragments of a single Great Russia


    These are not fragments of Greater Russia as they are not fragments of Greater Poland. These are special nations. So at least it feels so useless to push them something else.

    As a result, the "Ukrainian" is constantly living in a state of war. The basis of his sensual sphere is hatred, fear and blind worship of “heroes”


    And then the most painful
    1. Seryoga Petrovich
      Seryoga Petrovich 2 February 2016 21: 31
      +3
      Without assimilating this, EVERYTHING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHATTER !!!

      Buzina Oles [b] "Resurrection of Little Russia" [/ b]

      “Preface ... I’m a Little Russian, my country -
      Set off the nest of fighters and the will ...

      Oh Little Russia! Oh, my unfortunate historical homeland, trampled by hordes of wild ukrov! ..
      (“Crying of Little Russia”, 2011)
      http://www.litmir.co/br/?b=225021

      Elder Oles "The union of the plow and the trident. How Ukraine was invented"

      “... And then I will allow myself another quote that will give us the opportunity to clarify the mythical legendary times mentioned by the chairman of the Central Council, as always, not negotiating the main thing. Mikhail Grushevsky was born in 1866. But even two years after his birth, in a book published in Galicia that still does not suspect that a boy blowing bubbles in a crib (still without a beard!) Declares her “Ukrainian Piedmont,” the population of this Austrian province will still call themselves RUSSIAN .

      Here is this book. It is also in my library - [b] “Science collection published by the literary society of the Galician-Russian Matitsa. The fourth year of publication. 1868. Issue I and II. In Lviv. In the printing press of the Stavropigi Institute. "[/ B]

      We open on page 51 and read:

      “The entire population of the city of Stanislavov by nationality is:

      Russians, Poles, Armenians, Germans, Jews. ”

      Page 214:

      "The population of Yaroslavl is made up of Russians, Poles, Germans, Jews."

      Page 194 with a description of the city of Yavorov:

      “With the exception of Jews and not many languages ​​of different foreigners, the local people here are native Russian” ...

      I repeat: EVERYONE, [/ b] CONSIDERING HIMSELF A UKRAINIAN (Ukrainian)

      PARTICIPATED IN HISTORICAL TRAFFIC!

      EACH! K A F Y Z! For the ethnonym "Ukrainian" -

      CONSEQUENCES OF HISTORICAL TRADING!

      And this is an UNDISPUTABLE HISTORICAL FACT.

      [b] UKRAINE, [/ b] as the offspring of spiritual fornication, - [b] CAPUT !!! [/ b]
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%EA%F0%E0%E8%ED%F1%F2%E2%EE
  36. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 20: 47
    +3
    They scotched a significant part of the population of fragmented Russia. This is the natural result of the bourgeois counter-revolution of the 1990s.
  37. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 2 February 2016 21: 08
    +6
    and just 4 years ago, when I wrote about something like this here, many twisted their fingers at their temples, urging to respect the "Ukrainian nationality". a chimera she is a chimera. they can not even be called a vyrus, they do not even reach this concept. it is a purely Russophobic project, behind which there is nothing more than that.
    deprive the Ukrainian of Russophobia - he will instantly become Russian.
  38. Seryoga Petrovich
    Seryoga Petrovich 2 February 2016 21: 28
    +2
    “Only on the ruins of the Kremlin is independence of Ukraine possible”
    Dmitry Korchinsky »
    (Ukrainian politician and public figure, journalist and TV presenter.

    Presidential candidate of Ukraine (2004)) - ENEMY.

    Look, honest people -
    What, however, is the Hitlerite,
    Bandera ukurod,
    Cuba Nazi bastard!

    What the bastard wanted:
    Rus Shrine - and in ruins!?.
    Well then, God himself commanded
    Get rid of Ukraine.

    And save Little Russia,
    She is dear, there are sources! ..
    We will help her to fight
    With her cruel ukrovrag ...

    But Little Russia is silent,
    Doesn’t the deadly senses a storm?
    Can it be dead ... maybe she’s sleeping?
    Ile was poisoned by Ukrainian food ...?

    But ... we will revive the Native!
    We are sons, and Mother asked ...
    We will announce the whole of Russia,
    What Spirit, Love and Will are power!
  39. Sergey Eremin
    Sergey Eremin 2 February 2016 21: 49
    0
    Time to cure everyone!
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 2 February 2016 22: 11
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Eremin
      Time to cure everyone!

      Time does not heal anyone. You have a very high opinion of people.
  40. kig
    kig 3 February 2016 03: 45
    +2
    What kind of an eccentric with the letter M wrote this? And what kind of eccentrics manage the site?
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 3 February 2016 16: 02
      -1
      Quote: kig
      What kind of an eccentric with the letter M wrote this? And what kind of eccentrics manage the site?

      We went to the censor, here you and I don’t understand. ((((
  41. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 21 October 2016 15: 34
    0
    An article at the level of ren-tevash reptilians for reliability. But at the same time it is much, much worse - it is not for nothing that inciting ethnic hatred is condemned by law. And the people who write these articles are either pests or fools. Yes exactly. No wonder they say that friend is worse than the enemy. And people who have spoiled this article in their frenzy, I ask you - are you pests too, or are you fools too? The vector in which everyone moves scares.