Military Review

Bayonet 6X4

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In 1959, a modernized AKM Kalashnikov assault rifle was adopted by the Soviet Army. To that arms Attached the bayonet of the new model 6X3. This cold weapon differed from previous domestic models in the shape of the blade and in some other design features aimed at increasing the possibilities for cutting various materials. In particular, an unusual for that time sheath was attached to the blade, which allowed the use of a bayonet as nippers. The production of such a bayonet continued until the second half of the sixties, after which a new sample with improved characteristics appeared.


In the mid-sixties, an attempt was made to modernize the bayonet 6X3 with the experience of its operation. It was supposed to improve the ergonomics of weapons, as well as improve some other characteristics. The result of such proposals was the emergence of a new handle and a modernized scabbard. It is noteworthy that during the modernization, the shape of the blade itself did not change. This part of the bayonet completely satisfied the customer, due to which its updating was not required. The upgraded bayonet for AKM and SVD rifles received the symbol 6X4.

The 6XX3 bayonet was based on the design of a knife for naval intelligence officers, developed by R.M. Todorov in the mid-fifties. This knife was different from other samples by the characteristic shape of the blade and the additional device with which the knife was turned into nippers. The design of the blade "sea" knife interested gunsmiths from the team of M.T. Kalashnikov, the result of which was the emergence of a new original bayonet of unusual shape.

Bayonet 6X4
The bayonet 6X4 on the AKM machine. Photo Sharpknife.ru


Operation confirmed the high characteristics of this blade, so that it became possible not to change it when upgrading the bayonet. The bayonet 6X4, like its predecessor, received a blade with a double-edged fighting end with a bevel on the butt and a sharpening on one of the faces. On the second side of the blade there was a notch in the form of small teeth. In the middle part of the blade there was a rectangular hole for attaching to the sheath when using the bayonet as nippers. The blade length was 150 mm, width - 30 mm.

Significant improvements undergone the handle of the bayonet. The basic design of the 6X3 had some drawbacks, due to which the updated handle was used in the new project. In its front part there was a cross with attachments for mounting on a weapon and a hook for the strap. From the side of the main blade on the cross, there was a ring with an inner diameter of 17,7 mm, designed to be mounted on the barrel of the weapon. On the other side of the cross was a small hook for the strap.

The head of the handle was again made in the form of a metal block consisting of two halves, with a cavity accommodating the fastening mechanisms. From the butt of the blade in this block there was a through hole for the strap, from the side of the blade - a groove in the form of an inverted "T". In the internal cavity of the head there was a spring-loaded latch for fixing on the machine. The latch is controlled by a button on the right side of the bayonet (in the fighting position). Pressing the button released the latch. According to the operating experience of some of the previous bayonets, the button was covered with a small shoulder, which excluded accidental pressing and an abnormal disruption of the bayonet from the mounts.


Bayonet and its scabbard. The loop and the scabbard strap are visible. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Between the cross and the head on the shank of the blade was fixed plastic lining, made in the form of one piece. To simplify the design, the cover was fixed with just one rivet. The pad had a comfortable ergonomic shape. On the side of the blade and the mount it had a shallow groove. In the combat position in this groove should have entered the automatic ramrod.

Despite a lot of changes, the new bayonet 6X4 was almost the same as the previous 6X3 in terms of size and weight. The total length of this weapon was 270 mm, the mass was of the order of 250. Thus, the changes had no effect on the balance of the machine gun with the bayonet and other features of the use of blades.

The bayonet of the new model was proposed to be equipped with modernized sheaths that have significant differences from the base ones. As before, the blade was proposed to be placed in a rectangular oblong metal part. At the bottom of the scabbard preserved detail of complex shape with a T-shaped attachment for the bayonet and the notch used for cutting the wire. A plastic lining with longitudinal protrusions covering the entire main part of the sheath has become a characteristic feature of the new scabbard. Among other things, it allowed to reduce the risks when cutting wire under current.

On one side of the scabbard lining, a metal axis was provided for attaching the suspension system. The latter consisted of a carbine with a loop and two leather parts. With the help of a loop, the sheath was suggested to be hung on a belt, and the perpendicular strip with a fastener made it possible to fix the bayonet and did not allow it to spontaneously leave the sheath.


Bayonet and sheath on the other side. Photo Rusknife.com


The installation of the bayonet knife 6X4 on an AKM machine gun or other compatible weapon was made as follows. The bayonet should have been placed under the barrel with the blade up. After that, the ring of the crosspiece was required to be put on the muzzle of the barrel, at the same time pulling the groove of the handle head on the corresponding influx under the barrel. When the bayonet was moved back, the ring was placed on the muzzle, and the barrel's influx entered the groove and was fixed with a latch. In the combat position, the main blade of the blade was located at the top and allowed to apply piercing and cutting blows. To remove the bayonet, you had to press a button on the handle's head and pull it forward.

Depending on the need, the bayonet could solve several problems. Before the battle with possible melee fights should be installed on his weapon. In other situations, the bayonet had to remain in the sheath and, if necessary, be used as a cutting tool. With it, you can cut a variety of materials, including wood and metal. For cutting, it was possible to use both the main blade and the serrer on the butt. Wire, including barriers under tension, should be cut with a sheath. For this, the blade with its hole was attached to the corresponding protrusion of the sheath, which made it possible to cut the wire without the risk of electrical injury.

According to various sources, the bayonets of the type 6X4 went into series at the beginning of the second half of the sixties. AKM's new series of machines were equipped with modernized bayonets, and the existing weapons did not receive new blades. Special rearmament was not made, because of which for some time the arrows of the Soviet army in parallel used bayone-knives of two models. In the future, it was planned to gradually decommission automata of the old series with bayonets. Thus, 6X4 could gradually completely replace the existing 6X3.


Use a bayonet as a pliers. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The production of bayonets was carried out in Tula and Izhevsk. The products of the two enterprises did not have noticeable differences from each other and, in fact, differed only in marking. The stamp of the plant was placed on the handle of the bayonet and on the plastic lining of the sheath. In addition, technical control stamps were put on metal parts. Product numbers were engraved on plastic parts. Also on the plastic there could be OTC stamps made in ink. In view of the duration of the release, bayonet knives of various series could noticeably differ from each other in the composition and arrangement of different marks, stamps, etc.

It is known about the existence of a so-called. lightweight modification of the bayonet 6X4, differing design of several parts. The most notable difference of such a bayonet was the head of a handle of a different shape. Now it did not consist of two halves, but was made in the form of one piece. In addition, its shape has changed from the butt of the blade. Instead of a wide block with a through hole, there was now a recess with a protruding loop for the strap. The fasteners and the latch remained the same.

The lightweight version of the bayonet differed from the basic design by a slightly lower weight, but it was much more difficult from the point of view of production. Such a ratio of pros and cons affected the future of the development. The mass gain was completely leveled by technological complexity, which is why the production of lightweight bayonets did not last long, and the number of manufactured products of this type was significantly inferior to the number of basic 6X4.


Heads of handles of standard (left) and lightweight (right) bayone knives 6X4. Photo Rusknife.com


The bayonet knives 6X4 were produced in the Soviet Union, and their main operator was the domestic armed forces. Over time, these products began to be exported. In addition, a number of foreign countries have established the production of their own bayonets. In most cases, foreign enterprises produced exact copies of Soviet 6X4, however in some countries the bayonets changed.

So, there is information about the production in China of special bayonets for foreign customers. In general, such a bayonet repeated the design of the 6X4, however, it did not have a hole in the blade, and the sheath was not equipped with pliers elements and was completely made of plastic. Mounts for mounting on the machine and the belt system for hanging the sheath on the belt remained the same. As far as we know, such bayonets were not supplied to the Chinese army and were issued only on the order of third countries.

Polish and Egyptian enterprises also did not begin to master the production of the original sheath from 6X4, having adjusted the production of simpler sheaths from 6XXNNUMX. In addition, the Polish bayonet knives 3X6 were distinguished by the absence of a serreytor, and the characteristic feature of Egyptian products was the low quality of production: in particular, there were large gaps between the parts, which for durability and reliability were filled with glue.


The bayonet 6X4 on the rifle of the SVD. Image Imageevent.com


The bayonet 6X4 was originally developed for use with an AKM assault rifle, which was the main small arms of the Soviet army in the mid-sixties. Compatibility of fasteners allowed equipping SVD sniper rifles with such bayonets, but in this case the blades were not intended for bayonet combat. For some time, machine guns and rifles were operated with two types of bayonets.

In the late seventies, a new family of small arms designed by M.T. Kalashnikov, including automatic AK-74. Despite a lot of serious innovations, these weapons initially had to be fully compatible with existing bayonets. For this reason, the new bayonet for AK-74 was not developed. With the new machine it was proposed to use the existing product 6X4, the release of which continued. In addition, due to the similarity of structures, the use of 6X3 was not excluded, but such a bayonet was not standard.

The bayonets of the 6X4 type were issued until the end of the eighties. For two decades of production, several hundreds of thousands of blades were manufactured that were used to assemble several types of small arms. Initially, AKM and SVD rifles were equipped with such cold arms, and later it was used together with AK-74. At the very end of the eighties, the new bayonet 6X5, designed for AK-74 machines, was developed and put into series. In this regard, the production of the old 6X4 was discontinued.


Export bayonet made in China with a simplified blade and scabbard. Photo Bayonet.lv


Despite the creation of new modifications of small arms, AK-74 assault rifles, including their upgraded version of AK-74M, are still the main small arms of the Russian armed forces. Together with these assault rifles, the 6XXNNXX bayonets, created in the mid-sixties, remain in service. Despite their considerable age, such bayonets are still an important element of equipping a soldier and are unlikely to come out of circulation in the foreseeable future. Apparently, such bayonets will be taken out of service only with their “native” machine guns, which are used en masse and still remain in the army.

Almost 60 years ago, during the project of the bayonet 6X3, it was possible to develop a very successful sample of a multifunctional cutting tool designed to solve a number of different tasks. This cold weapon satisfied the customer and showed his full potential, thanks to which further modernization could be carried out without changing the blade design. All improvements used in the project 6X4, were aimed only at improving ergonomics and improving the "auxiliary" characteristics. In particular, a more comfortable long plastic lining of the sheath and some other details of a different shape appeared.

All these improvements have made it possible to make a good weapon even more convenient. The result of such improvements was a very long and long career bayonet. Soon half a century has passed since the start of mass production and operation of 6X4 products. It can be assumed that such bayonets will remain in service over the next few years. Thus, in terms of the duration of their exploitation, the 6X4 bayonets can only be compared with the needle blades of Mosin rifles, which have also been used for more than half a century. This can serve as one of the main evidence of the success of the structure.


On the materials of the sites:
http://bayonet.lv/
http://bratishka.ru/
http://rusknife.com/
http://ak-info.ru/
http://zonwar.ru/
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  1. Beaver
    Beaver 8 February 2016 08: 03
    15
    Thank you so much, Cyril, for an interesting and informative series of articles. smile hi
    Surprised in the photos 6x4 sharpening the blade. Throughout my life, I have always come across blades sharpened from the other side. Anything to cut or plan with such a blade was terribly inconvenient. Every time I wondered what kind of woodpecker thought up to sharpen them like that? laughing
    The 6x4s were especially prized for their plastic sheath. This material has an amazing property - if you scratch the central hollow with a needle, creating a rough track 4-5 cm long, you get an excellent "eternal" grater for lighting matches. It is not necessary to have the boxes with you.
  2. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 8 February 2016 08: 07
    +1
    bullet fool, bayonet well done!
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 8 February 2016 08: 33
      11
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      bullet fool, bayonet well done!
      - said the sniper, making another serif on his butt ...;)
      The bayonet attack was relevant in the 18-19 centuries with their smooth-bore muzzle-loading guns.
      Research on modern close combat has been conducted in Israel. Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 8 February 2016 09: 18
        10
        Quote: Cympak
        in close combat, it’s easier to quickly and efficiently line up an enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

        hi That's how it is, only cartridges tend to run out sometimes. Cold weapons have almost inexhaustible "ammunition". smile
        1. 3news
          3news 8 February 2016 13: 04
          +3
          Quote: Castor
          So it is, only cartridges tend to end sometimes.

          It happens in the movies. About the war. In the same level of "cinema" and in the bayonet go. Machine guns.
          But if, theoretically, we assume that ALL ammunition is over, then we must dump it. You always have time to die with a knife on a stick.
          And the bayonets are a really interesting weapon. It was. In the era to automatic weapons. Those. until about 20c.
        2. Maxom75
          Maxom75 9 February 2016 00: 35
          +1
          Did you practice stabbing with this "miracle"? We broke four of them in training, he is very fragile. As a throwing weapon, none at all. The finca was cooler, I still managed to work with the knife of an underwater saboteur - really a thing. And at the expense of the bayonet, well done, yes, but if it is a bayonet of a Mosin rifle, and this bayonet will not fight a lot, especially if the enemy is as it is now accepted in defense. Here you need a dagger or a stiletto.
      2. Voice of the Mind
        Voice of the Mind 8 February 2016 10: 39
        +8
        How many people have been stabbed to death in hostilities over the past 50 years? I think that the percentage of total losses "goes" somewhere in 0,00000 ...% This very "multifunctional" bayonet with a scabbard weighs so 400 grams, no less - to carry it ... The words "machine" and "bayonet" are antonyms.)
        But if some generals from the pikemen feel defenseless, if they are not guarded by sentries with bayonets, then it would be more correct to return to the needle-shaped, neotemic bayonets of SKS
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 8 February 2016 13: 45
          +3
          And even better - berdysh. How dash on the head .....
        2. Petrik66
          Petrik66 8 February 2016 13: 45
          -1
          And even better - berdysh. How dash on the head .....
        3. Maxom75
          Maxom75 9 February 2016 00: 38
          -1
          These are our generals who, from the time of the civil war, insisted on a bayonet for AK, and for him it’s like the fifth and unnecessary wheel for the cart. ((Moreover, he has really big weight and carrying it is not a joy. As is now customary to lighten equipment, it’s necessary this junk must be disposed of.
      3. Mera joota
        Mera joota 8 February 2016 11: 42
        23
        Quote: Cympak
        Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

        Undoubtedly. But the bayonet has one plus. When operating in the village, the inhabitants of which, to put it mildly, have a negative attitude towards the soldiers who entered, the attached bayonet-knife cools some hot heads (women) trying to grab the barrel of the machine gun. On a subconscious level, a person is afraid of sharpened pieces of iron because from childhood he remembered the pain from injections and cuts, this makes them keep at a certain "safe" distance from soldiers hiding behind machine guns (there is no other) with bayonets attached ...
        1. 3news
          3news 8 February 2016 13: 09
          -3
          Quote: Mera Joota
          a bayonet-knife cools some hot heads (female) trying to grab by the barrel of the machine.

          Butt on the head, it will cool much faster.
          Quote: Mera Joota
          A man at a subconscious level is afraid of imprisoned piece of iron because from childhood he remembered pain

          And some are afraid of dad's belt. Are we adopting "dad's belts"? What will they look like?
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        3. 26rus
          26rus 8 February 2016 14: 46
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          Quote: Mera Joota
          Quote: Cympak
          Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

          Undoubtedly. But the bayonet has one plus. When operating in the village, the inhabitants of which, to put it mildly, have a negative attitude towards the soldiers who entered, the attached bayonet-knife cools some hot heads (women) trying to grab the barrel of the machine gun. On a subconscious level, a person is afraid of sharpened pieces of iron because from childhood he remembered the pain from injections and cuts, this makes them keep at a certain "safe" distance from soldiers hiding behind machine guns (there is no other) with bayonets attached ...

          In my opinion, during the entire discussion about bayonet knives, one more situation has never been considered - a sentry armed with an AK with a bayonet attached. During the service I had a chance to go on guard a lot, and at first they also pestered the platoon commander - "why the heck, in fact, does the sentry need a bayonet-knife?" And he, in preparation for the next guard, held classes on the topic "repelling an attack on a sentry." There were three initial ones: AK with an attached bayonet-knife (position "on the shoulder"); the same without a bayonet, and AKS (barrel down). So, it turned out to be more effective to pull off the machine gun from the shoulder and hit the attacker with a bayonet than to try to remove it from the safety lock, cock the bolt and fire. This is to the question of whether a bayonet is needed now, or is it an anachronism. And as for the fact that, they say, they break often, I already wrote in the commentary to the previous part - throwing bayonet-knives into the fence is out of idleness.
      4. max702
        max702 8 February 2016 23: 49
        +3
        Quote: Cympak
        Research on modern close combat has been conducted in Israel. Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

        Now, when the state of Israel will fight with those opponents that fought the state of Russia, then let it talk about the probabilities and effectiveness of the bayonet battle .. With dummies it’s a little different than fighting with the Wehrmacht and the entire European Union ..
    2. avt
      avt 8 February 2016 09: 56
      0
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      bullet fool, bayonet well done!

      A bullet - a fool, a bayonet - goes, but you need to have time to kick. wassat
  3. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 8 February 2016 08: 41
    +7
    Quote: Cympak
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    bullet fool, bayonet well done!
    - said the sniper, making another serif on his butt ...;)
    The bayonet attack was relevant in the 18-19 centuries with their smooth-bore muzzle-loading guns.
    Research on modern close combat has been conducted in Israel. Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

    I want to upset you. still relevant, at least in terms of psychological preparation.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 8 February 2016 08: 51
      -6
      You can also machine guns like Kapel men in mental attacks ...
      A bayonet-knife is needed, but it’s time to unlearn a walk in bayonet attacks. In modern warfare, intelligence comes first, giving situational awareness. As a result: maneuver, choice of a favorable position and destruction of the enemy at a distance without going into hand-to-hand combat.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 8 February 2016 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: Cympak
        how Kapalevites go to machine guns in mental attacks

        Do you really think that white is so holi to attack ???
        1. avt
          avt 8 February 2016 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: colonel
          Do you really think that white is so holi to attack ???

          They went, but not Kapelevites, but Pepelyaevites and not an aspada of an affidor, but quite workers, and under a red flag and not like in the cinema with cigars and in "boxes", there were stupidly few cartridges.
  4. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 8 February 2016 08: 42
    +5
    Quote: Cympak
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    bullet fool, bayonet well done!
    - said the sniper, making another serif on his butt ...;)
    The bayonet attack was relevant in the 18-19 centuries with their smooth-bore muzzle-loading guns.
    Research on modern close combat has been conducted in Israel. Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

    Israel doesn’t have such a large territory to be taught to fight.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 8 February 2016 09: 05
      0
      And it would be worth learning, they have been living in a constant war since the very formation of Israel and have unique military experience.
      They do not have a lot of population to stupidly ruin it. Therefore, they have KAZ standing on the new armored vehicles regularly, but we do not; they have an armored personnel carrier based on a tank, and instead of a significant improvement in protection, the BTR-82’s firepower was increased.
      Hand-to-hand combat in modern warfare is a forced form of combat.
      For the 18th century, bayonet fighting was the main one. The Swedish army was famous for close combat, and then Peter I took over this tactic.
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  5. Owl
    Owl 8 February 2016 09: 09
    13
    Steel is hard but brittle. As for the bayonet attached to the machine, as a factor of psychological pressure on an ordinary unfriendly citizen - a very strong factor. When inspecting cars, apartments or checking documents, in one city, at the beginning of 2000, this was also used by an assault rifle with an attached bayonet-knife, and at a short distance it was probably not allowed to use firearms.
    1. Voice of the Mind
      Voice of the Mind 8 February 2016 11: 00
      12
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      As for the bayonet attached to the machine, as a factor of psychological pressure on an ordinary unfriendly citizen - a very strong factor.

      By attaching the bayonet to the AK, you pretty much scare your opponent.
      Adjoining the bayonet to the M16, you pretty laugh your opponent.
      And having joined the bayonet to the Mosin rifle, you can stab the enemy on the other side of the river without leaving the trench
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 8 February 2016 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: Voice of Mind
        And having joined the bayonet to the Mosin rifle, you can stab the enemy on the other side of the river without leaving the trench

        Are you so kidding? And the case has something to say?
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan 8 February 2016 22: 29
      0
      I absolutely agree with you. Metal blades are very fragile. The blades often broke and cutting wood and barbed wire, to put it mildly, is extremely difficult. I had to see boxes with broken knives in gun parks.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 9 February 2016 00: 17
        0
        Quote: Turkestan
        I absolutely agree with you. Metal blades are very fragile. The blades often broke and cutting wood and barbed wire, to put it mildly, is extremely difficult. I had to see boxes with broken knives in gun parks.

        =====
        it cuts the wire normally, but it’s clearly not intended to cut wood
  6. cap
    cap 8 February 2016 09: 22
    +7
    The bayonet-knife is good, basically like a bayonet, you can even throw it with the appropriate training.
    The training of the attendants "in the pigsty" ended for the three throwers with a rest in the guardhouse.
    This product comes in raw pine nearly a quarter. An attempt to pull it out by swinging ends in a broken one at the base of the handle of the cutting part.
    Exercise carefully. laughing
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 8 February 2016 11: 31
      +1
      Training of attendants "in the pigsty"
      ------------------------------------
      I remember once in the woods, I searched half a day with a whole platoon. Autumn-orange leaves-orange scabbard ...
      Maybe for mass production and was appropriate. But in the hand ... Bl! it is more convenient to hold a cleaver: =)
      1. 3news
        3news 8 February 2016 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: guzik007
        half a day all platoon searched. Autumn-orange leaves-orange scabbard ...

        The paradox is that the magazine and the bayonet-knife were made in a "parrot" color, not at all a camouflage color, just in order not to lose them. In a peaceful time, of course. And the fact that in the event of war it was unmasked was irrelevant.
        1. 26rus
          26rus 8 February 2016 15: 04
          +1
          And why then, according to your logic, shops were made of black plastic? laughing In my opinion, the mechanical properties of the material, rather than its color, played a greater role here.
          1. 2news
            2news 8 February 2016 15: 45
            -1
            Quote: 26rus
            In my opinion, the mechanical properties of the material, rather than its color, played a greater role here.

            What dye add, this color will be. With the same properties.
            1. 26rus
              26rus 8 February 2016 16: 41
              0
              Well, firstly, not everything is so simple (about color). And secondly, why all the same black shops? request
              1. 2news
                2news 8 February 2016 18: 26
                0
                Quote: 26rus
                And secondly, why all the same black shops?

                Probably then that the machine is black.
                1. 26rus
                  26rus 8 February 2016 18: 52
                  +1
                  Then there are serious gaps in your logic, for ...
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                  The paradox is that the magazine and the bayonet-knife were made in a "parrot" color, not at all a camouflage color, just in order not to lose them. In a peaceful time, of course. And the fact that in the event of war it was unmasked was irrelevant.
                  1. 2news
                    2news 8 February 2016 19: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: 26rus
                    Then there are serious gaps in your logic, for ...

                    Where are the gaps? When did the shops go black?
                    1. 26rus
                      26rus 8 February 2016 20: 01
                      +1
                      Where are the gaps? recourse Either you have parrot-colored shops so that you don't get lost, then black, because the machines are also black. You will decide. And when did they become black? - at the same time as brown. He served in the mid-eighties, there were shops like this, and others, though smaller black ones.
                      1. 2news
                        2news 8 February 2016 20: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: 26rus
                        Either you have parrot-colored shops so that you don't get lost, then black, because the machines are also black.

                        Learn the sequence of making stores in different colors. Then contact.
                      2. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 8 February 2016 23: 29
                        0
                        Quote: 26rus
                        The paradox is that the magazine and the bayonet-knife were made of a "parrot" color, not a camouflage at all, just in order not to lose them

                        The paradox here is that they were made from the then-fashionable AG-4B, of a different color except shades of yellow - from orange to yellow-brown, as it doesn’t exist in nature
                        Press material AG-4V is made on the basis of a modified phenol-formaldehyde resin as a binder and glass filaments as a filler.
                        Pressing material AG-4V has high mechanical strength and heat resistance, good electrical insulation properties and low water absorption. Chemically resistant and resistant in tropical conditions.
                        The AG-4V press material as a composition containing a significant amount of glass fiber (EC 6-200) has low thermal conductivity, which leads to its use in such designs in which the material must withstand high temperatures developing on the surface and prevent heat transfer through the wall the details.
                        The good technological properties of the AG-4V pressing material and its slight shrinkage during the pressing process make it possible to obtain high-precision parts. It is possible to make parts with metal fittings from the pressing material.

                        Quote: 26rus
                        And when did they start to be made black? - simultaneously with browns

                        "Brown" or "plum" I don't know for sure, but something glass-filled
                        Black - late AK-74 and beyond - glass-filled polyamide PA-6.
                      3. 3news
                        3news 9 February 2016 00: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        The paradox here is that they were made from the then-fashionable AG-4B, of a different color except shades of yellow - from orange to yellow-brown, as it doesn’t exist in nature

                        A new word in the production of artificial materials. It turns out you can’t add dye there. Fortunately, there is GOST 20437-89, where all this is refuted.
                        By the way, the plastic of the shops and bayonet knives was stained. In parrot orange color, which can hardly be called "yellow of various shades". So as not to get lost.
                      4. 3news
                        3news 9 February 2016 00: 33
                        0
                        Quote: 3news
                        GOST 20437-89

                        Something did not cling on the first try. Do not be embarrassed by the year, the material AG-4V from this has not changed.
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      3. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 9 February 2016 12: 31
        0
        Where is the logic? What is the logic? :-) And what color was the fore-end then?
  • AAV
    AAV 8 February 2016 10: 17
    +3
    Thanks to the author for the series of articles. Very interesting.
    I realized my mistake in the commentary to the previous article "Bayonet 6X3". It turns out that we just had both modifications of the bayonet knives: 6X3 and 6X4. As the saying goes: "Live and learn" and do not rush to conclusions ...
  • lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 8 February 2016 10: 28
    0
    I came across a bayonet-knife, outwardly and structurally not different from 6x4, except that it was made of dark plastic, identical to the 6x5 product, and the handle had a corrugated notch. I don’t know whose production.
  • Voice of the Mind
    Voice of the Mind 8 February 2016 10: 31
    23
    A universal bayonet - a knife, this is my first combat weapon that I accepted with trepidation when I stood up as an orderly in a company outfit. From the plastic sheath, obeying the confident movement of my hand, a blade came out. It was dull, the cutting edge was not sharpened, and my disappointment knew no bounds. Is this a paratrooper's combat knife? How to defend the Motherland with such a weapon? How am I going to stab and cut the enemy with this stupid freak with this parody of a blade? And how can one send an airborne assault force with such knives to the rear of the enemy. "This is treason!" - I decided. I remained silent, but I did not refuse to defend the Motherland with melee weapons.
    Now I think that it was these bayonets that were specially and very prudently issued to our soldiers, because for the whole day of my stay in the outfit I was drawn to cut all the personnel of the first company to such a mother. As soon as you wash the toilet, its cadets will immediately go down and call me to the faithful service to the Fatherland, the nasty voice of the company officer on duty:
    - The day!
    -- I AM! - Cold steel hatred sounds my voice.
    - Why is the toilet in shit? Under such a mother ... Run to wash it!
    -- There is! - I hurry to the toilet and the scabbards of military weapons hit me on the run right in the balls, but with a deft movement I move them on my side, and now they are pounding on the thigh.
    At night after the last lights out, while I was at the checkpoint by the company’s nightstand, I still pulled out a bayonet - a knife, pulled out a jerk file stolen in the kapter and began sharpening military weapons. The steel was shitty, soft brittle, and resolutely did not want to be sharp, but I tried. I sharpened the knife, but still did not cut all the cadets of the cadets with it. But from boredom I cut a nightstand, imagining that I would also use this sharpened blade to strip the enemies of our Fatherland.
    The evening of the next day, changing outfit by company, he handed over a bayonet - knives to the weapons room. A new company attendant received them. The turn came to me, I held out the bayonet - the sergeant’s knife, he took out the blade from the scabbard and ...
    I have not heard such a squeal and mat. He shouted at the new duty officer, refusing to accept the armory in general, and my bayonet in particular, shouted at the old duty officer, demanding a change, and together they shouted at me. They planted throats tinned from the teams, and I went deaf. The company commander and platoon commanders came running, they took me to execution in the company’s chancellery.
    The company commander looked at me with severe anger. Company property was listed on it. And here ... well, you yourself imagine, a soldier, even not even a soldier at all, but before taking the oath, one misunderstanding generally spoils the state property, not just property, but weapons. And to whom to answer? Who needs to remove a ton of paper in order to write off this half-sawn bayonet. Who will get pi ... lei? Who will spoil a private matter by reprimand? Whom will the regiment commander persistently fuck at all meetings? ....
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 8 February 2016 11: 33
      +5
      Wow ha ha! Right before my eyes everything stood up, as it was yesterday! Excellent thank you.
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 8 February 2016 18: 22
      +7
      Quote: Voice of Mind
      half sawn

      The story is beautiful. But you can’t cut the bayonet halfway with a file - the steel on the bayonet is harder than the instrument (and mild steel does not break - it bends).
    3. uwzek
      uwzek 8 February 2016 18: 22
      0
      Quote: Voice of Mind
      half sawn

      The story is beautiful. But you can’t cut the bayonet halfway with a file - the steel on the bayonet is harder than the instrument (and mild steel does not break - it bends).
  • Voice of the Mind
    Voice of the Mind 8 February 2016 10: 31
    18
    Then the company commander looked at me, a thin pale cadet bowing his head obediently waiting for death. There is not enough death for you, the company commander decided, so easily you bastard will not turn your back and sincerely asked:
    “Just tell me one thing, why?”
    “Cut green berets,” I whispered, “suddenly tomorrow is a war, and the knives are stupid ...”
    At once, everyone fell out, officers and sergeants. The scene was mute, but full of the impending thunderstorm.
    “Excellent cadet,” the company grated, “and do you know how to wield a knife like a real paratrooper?”
    “No,” I quietly admitted, and proudly holding my head up, “I really, really want to learn!”
    The company officer realized that it was not just a gouge that got into his company, but his rare variety.
    - And you are a cadet, do you know what SKNB is?
    - No, but what?
    “This is a special complex of knife fighting,” the company company gloomily explained. “It is specially designed for the airborne troops.” Do you want me to teach you?
    -- Yes!!! - escaping from the office flew across the barracks my exulting happy scream.
    -- ABOUT! No! - I yelled in flour after a couple of hours when I saw how the training would go.
    It was a specially designed room, there were knives there, and simulators too. Training - the combat mission was simple, but almost impossible, I had to peel potatoes for the entire regiment. Class time all night. And for breakfast, by the way, it was supposed to cook mashed potatoes. The only consolation was that I was not alone, but the other students were just in the next outfit in the kitchen, and I was a volunteer. Going into a volunteer outfit is a shame. And I drank plenty of this shame. Everyone was peeling potatoes with ordinary table knives, and only I was painfully fucking ... with heavy military weapons. After an hour of training, I talked with a bayonet - a knife as a living creature:
    - How are you s ... l! I said to him bitterly, or asked with deadly longing, “What has become dull again?”
    And so all night, and another five nights, until I realized that, well, them on these berets, cutting them still, it’s better to live in peace.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 8 February 2016 10: 32
    +6
    The 6x4 bayonet had somewhat expanded functionality compared to the 6x3 bayonet: the steel head of the handle made it possible to use it as a hammer. The bayonet-knife ring was inserted into the scabbard and the "hammer" was ready. I do not know whether this possibility was laid down by the designers or whether they already made a "discovery" in the troops, but occasionally they used such a hammer. Such a pribluda could not replace a fully normal hammer, but it was quite suitable for small jobs.
    In our unit they knew about the fragility of the bayonet (there was a "disabled" bayonet in the company) and did not indulge in throws. Used as wire cutters. I have already written about the use as a hammer. But using it as a simple knife was very problematic - stupid, you can't even cut bread. And sharpening was strictly forbidden.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 9 February 2016 06: 43
      0
      Major Savchuk, head of physical training, was in our division. Every morning he personally physically charged all the units and subunits that were at the division headquarters. He personally ran 10 km every morning. Entering the duty officers of the division, Savchuk brought all the duty officers in parts to a white-hot, with the requirements of hourly reports, regardless of day or night. To get subordinate to him as part of a detachment, for example, by a patrol, it meant spending a day on his feet, in the full sense of the word. Moreover, all the detained soldiers with dress disabilities, solitary, malfunctioning, etc. he demanded that he be brought to him for educational work, which usually after a long verbal suggestion ended on a farm in the gutter from the pigsty.
      I remembered the case of conducting a daily dress divorce by the aforementioned Savchuk: bypassing the order of the dress, he found buttons on matches with one soldier on his overcoat. He also demanded from the soldier his bayonet-knife, combining it with scabbard as scissors and cut off the buttons from his overcoat. I state a fact: they bounced for a sweet soul.
  • flay
    flay 8 February 2016 10: 43
    +6
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    Steel is hard but brittle.


    That's for sure ... when I was at my emergency, I saw two guys breaking down when they simply fell onto the asphalt.
    Both times, the blade broke at the base, i.e. at the handle. Accordingly, the guys received extraordinary in the kitchen, they did not put them in the company, there should be a bayonet-knife laughing .
    After that, we didn’t use it at all, we didn’t even cut bread, so as not to get it from the scabbard once again.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 8 February 2016 11: 50
      +4
      The same nonsense, in our armory, for 200 bayonet-knives 10-15 were broken. All are stupid. The only use is to saw a steel corner of the tower while standing on guard. :)
      With a knife fight - there was also such a joke, as with the unloading of a carriage with cookies - you also pick up yourself - and there is a train with coal .....
  • Tiger4
    Tiger4 8 February 2016 11: 08
    +1
    and if you insert the ring into the scabbard, you get a hammer!
  • Voice of the Mind
    Voice of the Mind 8 February 2016 11: 09
    +8
    the creators of the bayonet-knife wanted to receive the Lenin Prize (for diligence) and instead of a bayonet, let's invent a miracle tool a la "Swiss army knife", so that they saw (pricked, folded), and cut (shredded, chopped), and bit the wire. .. Now the bayonet can do all this - really bad, but it can (in theory).
    This bayonet knife survived at least three modernizations, but as it was: it was, so it remained
    In the USSR, almost everything was like this because of a vicious management system, in which some made decisions, others suffered from production and exploited, the mothers of the first and second - the third.
  • Tiger4
    Tiger4 8 February 2016 11: 18
    +4
    In 81-83 he served an emergency in Mongolia. A couple of years before my arrival, a bayonet-knife disappeared in one of the units of the tank regiment. The search was unsuccessful .... 3 years passed, and a bayonet-knife was found in a yurt of a Mongolian shepherd !!! His son came to visit him, who served in the Mongolian authorities (such as the KGB) and saw this knife with his father! The shepherd greatly praised the product that the soldiers sold him. A request was made to the command of the SA through the line of organs and the bayonet-knife was returned to its rightful owners.
  • Riv
    Riv 8 February 2016 11: 50
    +6
    From one knowledgeable and skilled person I heard that the seritor on the back of the blade is by no means useless. Saw them something - you have to be VERY strong, it's easier to cut with a blade. Then why is he? It turns out against dogs.

    The dog is little sensitive to cutting shocks. They are angry with her, and she dodges those who stab her. Any doggie has a reflex: avoid piercing attacks. But seriorenoy sharpening and with a cutting blow causes lacerations. Blood loss begins, the dog is scared. If there is no leader nearby, he prefers to leave the battle. If the knife goes through the bone (and knife strikes to the dog most often occur in the face), then generally good.

    Sharpening a bayonet knife is not just not recommended, but it is expressly prohibited to do it. Why? For the same reason that bayonets have never been sharpened since the time of Suvorov. The bayonet should not cut the clothing, but tear it and drive the tissue fibers deeper into the wound. And do not be fooled by the name "bayonet knife". It was made not to open the stew, but to cut people.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 8 February 2016 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      The bayonet should not cut clothes, but tear it and drive the fabric fibers deeper into

      In general, in the army, the bayonet was always sharpened ("Who sharpened the bayonet, grumbling angrily, biting a long mustache ..."). But sharpened before the battle, and not just like that. If in peacetime, when a sharpened bayonet is not needed and for nothing (it is very painful to hit with a blunt blade, it is not necessary to kill), let the amateurs saw the weapon, there will be no end to it for war and you will not find ends. So you can correct the rifling in the trunks with diamond files ...
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 8 February 2016 18: 39
      0
      Quote: Riv
      The bayonet should not cut clothes, but tear it and drive the fabric fibers deeper into

      In general, in the army, the bayonet was always sharpened ("Who sharpened the bayonet, grumbling angrily, biting a long mustache ..."). But sharpened before the battle, and not just like that. If in peacetime, when a sharpened bayonet is not needed and for nothing (it is very painful to hit with a blunt blade, it is not necessary to kill), let the amateurs saw the weapon, there will be no end to it for war and you will not find ends. So you can correct the rifling in the trunks with diamond files ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 8 February 2016 22: 55
        +1
        The trick is that Lermontov did not take part in the battle of Borodino. Wrong age. The only war in which he participated was Caucasian and he was a hussar, not an infantryman. The infantry charter might not have known at all.
        Is there other evidence besides fiction?
  • tolancop
    tolancop 8 February 2016 11: 54
    +6
    Quote: Voice of the Mind
    the creators of the bayonet-knife wanted to receive the Lenin Prize (for diligence) and instead of a bayonet, let's invent a miracle tool a la "Swiss army knife", so that they saw (pricked, folded), and cut (shredded, chopped), and bit the wire. .. Now the bayonet can do all this - really bad, but it can (in theory).
    This bayonet knife survived at least three modernizations, but as it was: it was, so it remained
    In the USSR, almost everything was like this because of a vicious management system, in which some made decisions, others suffered from production and exploited, the mothers of the first and second - the third.

    There is no need to ascribe to the creators of the bayonet-knife dense stupidity. Of course, they wanted the prize, but they were perfectly aware of the fact that for a product like a bayonet-knife, be it the most wonderful, the Lenin Prize did not "shine".
    The versatility of the tool (the fact that the weapon is a tool is not in dispute) is not a vice, but dignity when used correctly. And it's better to have a bad tool than none at all.
    I can’t say anything about the qualities of a bayonet in the performance of its main function - a stabbing weapon (I did not go into attacks). I won’t say anything about using it as a knife either - it was stupid, but if you sharpen it, it could be a knife and it would be not bad. I didn’t roll it as a saw, I tried to cut a piece of wood somehow with a notched part - I did not like it.
    And here is how the wire cutters - used a couple of times - not a fountain, but it worked.
    And pouring slop on the USSR is not necessary. Everything happened, but the USSR had many achievements that would have been impossible with a poor management system.
  • Seergey
    Seergey 8 February 2016 12: 12
    0
    And we had a case on the contrary.
    We had the AKS-74U and bayonet-knives were not issued to them.
    They brought several boxes of brand-new bayonets from SVT to go with them in outfits and so on.

    It turned out, because they are new-minded - very, very sharpened from the factory.
    The command decided that it was extremely dangerous. The problem was solved radically: two fighters from our platoon, having freed them from all activities and outfits, were given files and instructed to blunt all the bayonets.

    The guys later said that for two weeks they first cleaned and washed the knives of oil, and then they suffered, grinding off the sharpening, saying that it would be better to go into outfits than to sweat over knives with files.
  • PKK
    PKK 8 February 2016 12: 27
    +2
    I was delighted with everyone, there was so much attention and a lot of interesting things about the bayonet knife. In those days, they didn’t pay much attention to him. It was supposed to be worn. Nobody came to sharpen it. Respected the bayonet-knife, because AKM was becoming formidable, if you attach a bayonet to it. Then they did not pay attention to the weight of the bayonet. And now it turned out to be heavy. And only amateurs wear it, not in the army of course.
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 8 February 2016 13: 32
    +3
    How not to twist a bayonet-knife in the army, it even gives a certain orderly and certainty. On the practical side, of course it is more convenient to have a reliable sharp balanced combat knife.
  • Recoil
    Recoil 8 February 2016 15: 02
    +2
    How many times has a company been put forward to search for bayonets that have fallen in the field ...
    Due to the heavy grip, the bayonet tends to roll over and pop out of its sheath when running. A scabbard from a sheath with a lock in the form of a cone is not a solution.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 8 February 2016 17: 52
    +1
    It’s also good for them to clean their boots from dirt. And on our garrison lip the locks were like on trains, only the slots were square, you could pull out the clip for the knife blade from the scabbard and calmly open the camera.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 8 February 2016 19: 48
    +1
    I have a bayonet - a knife sharpened. keeps sharpening for quite some time. but how dull a couple of minutes with a donkey and again sharp. in the forest, a good thing. and cut the meat into barbecue and pegs, and even chop it is possible to chop.
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 8 February 2016 20: 07
    0
    You can use it as a hammer by inserting a namushnik into the groove of the scabbard and, with a certain skill, prick a bayonet-knife with a knife on the nail head.
  • Stoler
    Stoler 8 February 2016 22: 08
    0
    The description of this rubbish is 1. It breaks down at once, 2. It doesn’t sharpen like that, 3. It rusts in one fell swoop, 4. What is Bl.'s shape? and 5. The word KNIFE to this product is NOW NOT APPLICABLE !!!
    1. Sedoy
      Sedoy 9 February 2016 12: 26
      0
      * The word KNIFE to this product is NOW NOT APPLICABLE !!!

      completely in the hole ...
      a large can opener - it was no longer possible to use it ... :)
  • tolancop
    tolancop 8 February 2016 22: 31
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    How not to twist a bayonet-knife in the army, it even gives a certain orderly and certainty. On the practical side, of course it is more convenient to have a reliable sharp balanced combat knife.

    For the orderly, the bayonet is a burden, not an object of confidence. And its main purpose for the orderly is the identification mark of the person in the outfit. Maybe, instead of a bayonet, it would be more convenient to have a "sharp, balanced combat knife". It would be ... If only they taught knife fighting (how to handle this knife). But in the overwhelming majority of units, the possession of a knife fight is unnecessary, but give the inept something sharp and truly dangerous, so he will most likely either harm himself or a friend, but not the enemy. Therefore, since the day's knife is supposed to be, let the knife be blunt, from sin further.

    I don’t remember whether the officer on duty had a blindfold or not ... The bayonet was carrying exactly, but the blindfold ... Probably still was not.

    And about the stupidity of the bayonet, the deputy for armament popularly explained to us that there was no need for us to sharpen it under those conditions: “cut bread? - eat in the dining room. Open the canned food?” When the time comes, then WE WILL ORDER to sharpen, and before that, no, no. Let you sharpen your knives, after a couple of years nothing will be left of the blade ... ". I described it very clearly, in any case I don't remember any attempts to sharpen the bayonet.
    About file sharpening is an artistic whistle, since it becomes very hard (the flip side is fragile) and the file will sit down at the moment.
    Perhaps the high hardness is a price to pay for the ability to use it as a wire cutter, but I also fully admit the version of the planned breaking of the bayonet in battle in order to release the weapon. In any case, there were clearly reasons for using materials with precisely such properties for the manufacture of bayonets - in those days they approached the creation of weapons "without fools", honing every little detail.
  • 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 9 February 2016 09: 41
    +1
    Quote: Cympak
    Research on modern close combat has been conducted in Israel. Conclusion: in close combat it is easier to quickly and efficiently line up the enemy than stab him with a bayonet.

    Who wins melee?
    The one who has more rounds!
  • Sedoy
    Sedoy 9 February 2016 12: 25
    0
    6x4 - stupid dull shit ...
    who has served, he knows ...
  • semuil
    semuil 9 February 2016 13: 21
    0
    The hole for attaching the strap in the handle was used as a mouthpiece for the "Astra" and "Flight".