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The Ukrainian freight train "traveled" Russia on the way to China for 16 days

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On the next "peremog" reported Maidan authorities of Ukraine. The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine on its official website published information that the first railway freight train “bypassing Russia” arrived from Ukraine to China. The report says that this is the first traffic on the "new silk road", which does not provide for the passage of cargo through Russian territory. Initially, it was announced that the cargo from Ukraine would be delivered to China in 11 days, but in the end the “peremoga” came out somewhat blurred.


The Ukrainian freight train "traveled" Russia on the way to China for 16 days


On January 15, the freight train left its destination in the Odessa region, and then with the help of several ferries, it must be causing considerable surprise to the Chinese partners, overcoming the Black and Caspian Seas, passing through the territories of Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. As a result, instead of the planned 11 days, the train moved almost 16. The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused of stalling the delivery of cargo storm on the Black Sea and delays on the Kazakh railway.

If we consider the route of the train, it turns out that the cargo from the territory of Ukraine did not get to China, despite the loud statements of Kiev. On the 16 day, the train arrived at the Kazakhstan station Dostyk, which is located near the border with the PRC. After that, it was announced that the Chinese themselves could "pick up" the cargo and send it via their own railway to Guangzhou or Chongqing.

From the statement mininfrastructure Of Ukraine:
A train consisting of 10 wagons and 20 forty-foot containers was sent on January 15 from Illichivsk. On the route he proceeded along the Black Sea and the main stations: the port of Batumi, Alat, Aktau-Port, Beyneu, Zhezkazgan, Balkhash-1. By moving the first train on the route of the new “Silk Road” it was possible to follow the interactive map on the website of the Ministry of Infrastructure. This route is an alternative way to deliver goods from the West to the East, bypassing the territory of the Russian Federation through Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan to China.
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  1. The black
    The black 1 February 2016 19: 43
    283
    I'm going to my aunt in Kazakhstan. Now I'm afraid to go by train. Suddenly I meet a ghost train with wild Ukrainians belay laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 1 February 2016 19: 46
      22
      Quote: Black
      Around meet a ghost train with feral halls

      They can even mix up the ways, the Kazakh train is going, and the Ukrainian train is going to meet him on his way ...
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 1 February 2016 19: 52
        34
        The sly-eyed Chinese are not making the Silk Road through Russia! They made friends with the Urkainites, bypassing Russia! Yesterday I watched it on TV! Something with China, too, not everything starts smoothly! A branch of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline was frozen, the agreement on settlements in national currencies was suspended. So they are putting pressure on Russia from all sides. (in general, as usual)
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 1 February 2016 20: 15
          28
          16 days "traveled" around Russia on the way to China
          Here it is re-permutation! It remains only to train the composition for scrap to compensate for the cost of transit ....
          1. Throw
            Throw 1 February 2016 20: 38
            62
            Crazy dog ​​seven miles - not a hook!
            laughing laughing laughing
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 1 February 2016 22: 15
              23
              Quote: Lance
              Crazy dog ​​seven miles - not a hook!
              laughing laughing laughing

              Have you sent ten cars with fat? Why not an empty engine? It was done not to deliver the goods, but to spite the grandmother's ears to frostbite ...
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 1 February 2016 22: 25
                17
                A train of 10 wagons and 20 forty-foot containers ... On the route, he followed the Black Sea
                it turns out that cargo from Ukraine never got to China
                After that it was announced that further the Chinese themselves could “pick up” the goods
                So this is the "Y" system with SlyCroUnder, EPRST! laughing
              2. Lyokha79
                Lyokha79 1 February 2016 22: 41
                23
                "In fact, the trans-Caspian route turned out to be akin to an operation to remove tonsils by autogenous glands through the anus - spectacular, daring, but zero practical value" ...
                A quote from the article "Our steam locomotive flies into a ditch" by Alexander Rostovtsev, published on the NewsFront website.
              3. vkfriendly
                vkfriendly 2 February 2016 08: 57
                +4
                so the train went empty, it’s like a test, there were no fools to send goods to unknown
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 1 February 2016 22: 39
              26
              Quote: Lance
              Crazy dog ​​seven miles - not a hook!

              A drunk treasurer and a million - a penny)))
              Delivery of a ton of cargo to China through the territory of Russia cost dill 3400 hryvnias, and for this new transit 7500 hryvnias.
              Definitely - peremoga)))
              And back along the way, empty trample !!!
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 03
                +6
                Back will not trample. In China, containers will either be sold or scrapped. This will be enough for the great combinators.
          2. Sharapov
            Sharapov 1 February 2016 20: 42
            13
            As a part of - almost all containers are empty - in order to speed up the passage of all customs ... Again, they fiddled with themselves (to put it mildly), and at the same time narrow-eyed ...
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 1 February 2016 21: 37
              +3
              Quote: Sharapov
              As a part of - almost all containers are empty - in order to speed up the passage of all customs ... Again, they fiddled with themselves (to put it mildly), and at the same time narrow-eyed ...

              oh, what kind of check is there, one appearance, but at the final point the check is complete ...
            2. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 1 February 2016 21: 51
              84
              Quote: Sharapov
              As a part of - almost all containers are empty - in order to speed up the passage of all customs ... Again, they fiddled with themselves (to put it mildly), and at the same time narrow-eyed ...


              And nobody was confused by the size of the squad ?! As many as 10 wagons and twenty containers! If I, as a graduate of the Rostov State University of Ways of Communication, understand correctly, then these are 10 platforms with two containers on each. This is a peremoga so peremoga! If a normal freight train is about 50-60 wagons, then, accordingly, to transport the cargo of one train, the Ukrainians will need five or six such "miracle flights", I'm even afraid to imagine the cost of transportation!

              So with the next change you, dear "non-brothers"! You have found a way to make golden eggs from simple eggs! Because the value of any cargo transported in this way will tend to the equivalent of the weight of this cargo, the equivalent of gold!
              1. Altona
                Altona 1 February 2016 22: 09
                14
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                So with the next change you, dear "non-brothers"! You have found a way to make golden eggs from simple eggs! Because the value of any cargo transported in this way will tend to the equivalent of the weight of this cargo, the equivalent of gold!

                -------------------------
                Reasonably noticed. By the way, "non-brothers" still managed not to pay for transit in full. Because of what we got up exactly on the Chinese border.
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 1 February 2016 22: 34
                  27
                  Quote: Altona
                  Reasonably noticed. By the way, "non-brothers" still managed not to pay for transit in full. Because of what we got up exactly on the Chinese border.


                  I haven’t delved into all the intricacies of rail freight transportation yet! Imagine, the train must be driven onto a ferry, i.e. it must be uncoupled, then in Georgia it must be coupled back, then it is necessary to fit into the timetable of the movement in Georgia and Azerbaijan, then again the same procedure in the Caspian Sea, then again the coordination of the schedule with the Turkmen, Uzbeks and Kazakhs (although it can only be with Kazakhs , it's not clear which branch they went on)! All this will cost so much money that the "great" Ukrainian Silk Road should be immediately renamed into the "golden" or even "platinum" road!
                  1. BARKHAN
                    BARKHAN 2 February 2016 00: 40
                    13
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    All this will cost so much money that the "great" Ukrainian Silk Road should be immediately renamed into the "golden" or even "platinum" road!

                    But bypassing Russia. They buy gas more expensive to spite us. And our industry also collapsed to spite us. Yes, and their country is also grayed out in a campaign to annoy us.
                    Something I really felt sorry for them ... as mentally retarded children.
                  2. kuz363
                    kuz363 2 February 2016 10: 16
                    +1
                    Dont worry. Turkmen and Uzbeks have absolutely nothing to do with it.
                  3. Flooding
                    Flooding 2 February 2016 10: 33
                    +2
                    Two ferry crossings, it is very expensive.
                    Representatives of Ukraine four months ago were at negotiations in Georgia and Azerbaijan. We tried to negotiate a reduction in rates. As far as I know, they have not achieved much success.
                    One ferry departs for Georgia from Ilyichevsk. Weather conditions are not always favorable, sometimes ferries are on the roadstead for several days.
                  4. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 2 February 2016 11: 30
                    +8
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Imagine the composition must be driven on a ferry, i.e. it must be disengaged, then in Georgia it must be unlinked,

                    Hehe hehe ... with ferries, there is one more subtlety. Of the 13 Caspian railway ferries, only 2 (Project 11611-A) have a capacity of 56 wagons. The rest is 28.
                    That is, one "test" train will fit on a "long" ferry. But using such a short train for commercial transportation will be unprofitable even in the most profitable direction. And as soon as regular traffic starts and the length of the train exceeds 28 wagons, you will either have to wait for one of the two "long" ferries of project 11611-A, or disband and divide the train and load it into 2 ferries, and then form it again.
                    However, the composition will have to be disbanded in any way - for 56 wagons do not line up on the deck of the ferry. smile
                  5. Lone wolf
                    Lone wolf 3 February 2016 18: 29
                    0
                    fool
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Quote: Altona
                    Reasonably noticed. By the way, "non-brothers" still managed not to pay for transit in full. Because of what we got up exactly on the Chinese border.


                    I haven’t delved into all the intricacies of rail freight transportation yet! Imagine, the train must be driven onto a ferry, i.e. it must be uncoupled, then in Georgia it must be coupled back, then it is necessary to fit into the timetable of the movement in Georgia and Azerbaijan, then again the same procedure in the Caspian Sea, then again the coordination of the schedule with the Turkmen, Uzbeks and Kazakhs (although it can only be with Kazakhs , it's not clear which branch they went on)! All this will cost so much money that the "great" Ukrainian Silk Road should be immediately renamed into the "golden" or even "platinum" road!

                    A train of 10 wagons and 20 forty-foot containers was sent on January 15 from Ilyichevsk. He followed the Black Sea and the main stations along the route: the port of Batumi, Alat, Aktau-Port, Beineu, Zhezkazgan, Balkhash-1
                    I definitely went through Kazakhstan along the Aktau-Balkhash branch belay and further to Dostyk but it is not clear lol he had to go like Aktau - Kyzyl Orda - Chimkent -Taraz- Almaty -Dostyk
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 1 February 2016 22: 14
                20
                And I don’t understand at all how the Ukrainian railway survives now. I live 200 meters from the piece of iron. If earlier in the season, trains went to the Crimea every five minutes, not counting freight trains, now there are two or three trains a day. To Lviv and Kiev. Almost all enterprises have switched to motor vehicles, because the railway is very expensive, and the cargo is really gold. Well, the "new silk" road is really a "new word" in logistics. That's what I understand peremoga so peremoga. I'll frostbite my ears to harm my mother.
              3. ksv1973
                ksv1973 1 February 2016 22: 30
                14
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Already whole 10 wagons and twenty containers! If I, as a graduate of Rostov State University of Communications, understand correctly, then these are 10 platforms with two containers on each.

                Diana! love
                Even I, as a simple electric train driver (former) of the Moscow Metro, understand that this is the first and last train sent from Ukraine to China on such a route. It's like getting from Komsomolskaya-Koltsevaya to Komsomolskaya-radialnaya through ALL terminal stations of ALL lines of the Moscow metro. These are the "pokatushki" in Ukrainian! laughing
                1. Sea Wolf
                  Sea Wolf 3 February 2016 18: 53
                  0
                  And you are my brother, I’m the navigator, and then I understand .-))
              4. your1970
                your1970 1 February 2016 22: 31
                +2
                Diana Ilyina
                you are not right repeat love love -10 wagons of indoor and 20 platforms with 40 foot containers (1 container-1 platform), these are not tenths and not twenties forties.... Unless, of course, Ukrainians are not on long platforms, but on standard ...
                In principle, small, but not to say that it is very short - for such congestion and heaps of ferries
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 1 February 2016 22: 43
                  13
                  Quote: your1970
                  you are not right repeat love love -10 wagons of indoor and 20 platforms with 40 foot containers (1 container-1 platform), these are not tenths and not twenties forties.... Unless, of course, Ukrainians are not on long platforms, but on standard ...
                  In principle, small, but not to say that it is very short - for such congestion and heaps of ferries


                  Perhaps I was mistaken about the containers, I will not argue, but in any case, the transportation will be fraught with a bunch of problems, approvals and checks. Anyway, it will be a big "popabol", as my nephew says! love
                  1. ksv1973
                    ksv1973 1 February 2016 23: 14
                    +6
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Perhaps I was mistaken about the containers, I will not argue, but in any case, the transportation will be fraught with a bunch of problems, approvals and checks. Anyway, it will be a big "popabol", as my nephew says! love

                    And in my opinion, all the last words and actions of the Ukrainian authorities are sheer "pop-sickness"! Through the mouth of a baby speaks the truth!
                  2. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 08
                    +2
                    The adult equivalent of this concept: sadomasochism. Given the absolute voluntariness of the Ukrainian side and its exceptional enthusiasm in this process.
                  3. your1970
                    your1970 2 February 2016 12: 51
                    +2
                    There, customs troubles alone are enough, in the case of unhooking wagons due to illness / lack of documents / permits from government agencies = big pain in cargo owners ...
              5. bocsman
                bocsman 1 February 2016 23: 00
                +4
                At the expense of eggs, I don’t know how golden they are, but they ring, that's for sure. Conclusion - MoodRings!
              6. kizhe
                kizhe 1 February 2016 23: 04
                +2
                Wow Well done! Actually, it was intelligence.
              7. Amurets
                Amurets 2 February 2016 01: 15
                +6
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                And didn’t anyone bother the size of the squad ?! Already as many as 10 wagons and twenty containers

                So the condition of the path and the power of the locomotive does not allow. Try on oxen and on a wooden road faster. In the mid-80s, our depot switched to electric traction and managed to drive a raft from Novocherkassk right under Vologda, and only then to the Far East. So this the non-priority cargo lasted only 12 days. In general, along the main course of the Trans-Siberian Railway, trains are usually longer. Somewhere 100-120 cars and VL-80C locomotives in a three-section coupling.
              8. denis02135
                denis02135 3 February 2016 22: 50
                +1
                Dear diana

                But doesn't it seem to you that it’s a little strange that the Chinese are letting the train on such a long journey? Maybe we shouldn’t laugh at the Ukrainians, but ask in Russian Railways what and how? Why is the passage through 6-7 customs, two ancestors, more profitable for the Chinese (and I am sure they can count money) than drive a train through Russia? Or is it all the machinations of the State Department?
            3. Egoza
              Egoza 1 February 2016 22: 17
              +5
              Quote: Sharapov
              In the composition - almost all containers are empty

              What do you mean "empty"? And the air from the Maidan? And the ensign of the Maidan? such a valuable thing and we give them free !!!!
            4. YLTHEN
              YLTHEN 1 February 2016 22: 17
              +5
              No, the containers were filled with lard and vodka, only the guys on the way got cold and hungry ...
          3. Aleksander
            Aleksander 2 February 2016 04: 26
            +2
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            It remains only to train the composition for scrap to compensate for the cost of transit ....

            Why drag a train across two seas ?! Wouldn't it be easier to load the same containers onto a ship, then onto a freight train in Georgia, then onto a ship, then onto a train in Kazakhstan. HUNDREDS of tons of useless composition - why was it transported?
            1. oborzevatel
              oborzevatel 2 February 2016 12: 54
              +2
              Quote: Aleksander
              Why drag a train across two seas ?! Wouldn't it be easier to load the same containers onto a ship, then onto a freight train in Georgia, then onto a ship, then onto a train in Kazakhstan. HUNDREDS of tons of useless composition - why was it transported?

              You are a joke about a worker who passed through a checkpoint with a wheelbarrow, remember?
              Chaim brought a wheelbarrow with garbage to the entrance.
              - What are you carrying? the watchman asked suspiciously.
              - Taki - trash!
              The watchman looked, poked around and, reluctantly, missed. Half an hour later, Chaim brought a wheelbarrow with garbage to the entrance.
              - What are you carrying?
              - So - trash!
              The watchman turned everything over - garbage!
              - Listen, Chaim! I won’t stop you, I won’t do anything - you just say that you are a thief?
              - Taki - cars! ..

              Here is the answer to the question ... hi
          4. SveTok
            SveTok 2 February 2016 08: 07
            +3
            On camels it would be faster, maybe the Rabbit should try.
        2. andj61
          andj61 1 February 2016 20: 38
          +8
          Quote: Pravdarm
          The Chinese cunning-eyed go wild and do not make the silk road through Russia! They made friends with the Urkaines, bypassing Russia!

          China diversifies delivery and uses ALL possible routes to Europe, including through Russia. After all, there was already a proposal by China to build a highway to Moscow, and further to Europe. And the route indicated in the article is used by China for relations with Kazakhstan and Central Asia and is only one of the branches of the new silk road.
        3. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 1 February 2016 20: 57
          +8
          Quote: Pravdarm
          bypassing Russia!

          what ??
          http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2016/0128/c95181-9010535.html
          Beijing, January 27 / Xinhua /
          Recently, there have been more and more opinions that China does not see any prospects for an improvement in the economic situation in Russia; Russia is totally dependent on the PRC; Sino-Russian trade and economic ties are "going downhill"; interstate relations between the two countries have no future, etc.
          No one knows where the grounds for such opinions are. However, it is very clear that both China and Russia are resolutely and confidently developing equal and mutually beneficial relations on the basis of mutual respect and common gain, comprehensive partnership and strategic interaction. Interstate relations are able to pass a test of strength before any challenges.
          "Our relations are in fact the best in the entire history of the development of ties between our countries and peoples," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said unequivocally yesterday at a press conference following the results of 2015, speaking about the development of Chinese-Russian contacts.
          completely here:
          http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2016/0128/c95181-9010535.html
          1. ksv1973
            ksv1973 1 February 2016 22: 59
            +9
            Quote: Dryuya2
            Recently, opinions have increasingly come across that China does not see any prospects for improving the economic situation in Russia ... However, it is very clear that both China and Russia are resolutely and confidently developing equal and mutually beneficial relations on the basis of mutual respect and overall gain, comprehensive partnerships and strategic engagement. Interstate relations are able to pass a test of strength before any challenges.
            "Our relations are in fact the best in the entire history of the development of ties between our countries and peoples.

            Roughly the same rhetoric about Sino-Soviet relations was in 1950's. But by the end of the 1960's somehow it changed ... Radically ...
            Now Russia and China seem to be together again. And they veto the UN Security Council together, and everything else is different ... But somehow, China is in no hurry with the recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia (yes, no one is in a hurry from the CIS).
            It’s interesting - and what will happen, taking into account the rapidly developing events and the equally rapidly developing Chinese military-industrial complex, years through 15-20?
            China is not brothers-Belarusians. China is a well-prepared locust. China's nuclear potential confuses the world community as much as Israel's. That some, that others have never been accountable to anyone. Could it be that China, which has stepped forward so sharply over the past 20-30 years, limited itself to the number of warheads prescribed by "experts" "at about 500"?
            1. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b 2 February 2016 05: 42
              +4
              Everything is clear with Ukraine; you should not expect anything else from them. Moraism grew stronger and their thoughts in the fog. And with China, our relations are at an impasse, as a result of which this will lead to clearly defined claims on their part. Russia has no choice but to recreate its economy and economic independence. For the most part, we have forgotten how to work.
        4. RUSS
          RUSS 1 February 2016 21: 03
          +4
          Quote: Pravdarm
          The Chinese cunning-eyed go wild and do not make the silk road through Russia! They made friends with the Urkaines,

          The Chinese made friends with the Ukrainians before the Maidan, and now they are friends, why not, business and nothing more.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 1 February 2016 21: 16
            +2
            So the fact of the matter is that before Maidan - it was a completely different matter!
            And now, they should see, especially with their professional squint at them, that they threw power at the rulers, which are ruled by the United States! And they will be for a long time!
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 1 February 2016 21: 25
              +2
              Quote: Baikonur
              So the fact of the matter is that before Maidan - it was a completely different matter!
              And now, they should see, especially with their professional squint at them, that they threw power at the rulers, which are ruled by the United States! And they will be for a long time!

              Perhaps the Chinese, as they say, want to have alternative ways of delivering goods, again, on this basis, you can bargain with us.
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 1 February 2016 22: 01
                14
                Quote: RUSS
                Perhaps the Chinese, as they say, want to have alternative ways of delivering goods, again, on this basis, you can bargain with us.


                Tell me, the Chinese are like "not smart people" according to Lavrov ?! Do you think they have forgotten how to count money ?! Or do you think that China is ready to go to crazy costs for the sake of Ukraine ?! For what such "high" ideas ?! Well, turn on your brains and calculate the cost of such an "alternative"! Yes, for such a scam, only skippers can dare, but not the pragmatic Chinese. So don't write nonsense!
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 2 February 2016 22: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  Do you think that China is ready to go to frantic costs, for the sake of Ukraine

                  Not only Ukrainians want to bypass Russia, but the Chinese are considering alternative ways, so where is the nonsense?
              2. alexander 2
                alexander 2 1 February 2016 23: 10
                +3
                It is too expensive for an alternative way, but "bargaining with us" is quite possible.
        5. Platonich
          Platonich 2 February 2016 04: 12
          +7
          China is the hardest and most cunning partner! And, given that "the east is a delicate matter," we still get enough of them! And there is no need to boast that they are supposedly our brothers and partners forever! A lot of unpleasant surprises can be expected from them! This is the most insidious partner.
        6. guzik007
          guzik007 2 February 2016 07: 57
          +6
          The Chinese cunning-eyed go wild and do not make the silk road through Russia!
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------
          Or maybe it's not the Chinese? Highway Eastern Europe-Western China. Doesn’t say anything? All work is poher. Only in Tatarstan, the couple were still picking, as a result, they turned over 35 km on a turnkey basis, and then the horse did not roll. But half the republic was cut in bulk. As a result, peasants were cut off from pastures, fields. My uncle obscenities winged all these figures until he died. As a result, ten years have passed - there is a mound, there is no road. But in Russia, the horse did not roll.
          So tell me, who needs such "partners"?
        7. Wajra-3
          Wajra-3 2 February 2016 17: 24
          0
          Yes, the Chinese do not give a damn about this route from a high bell tower! But here, to transport a heifer over three seas - a rzhunemaga, as my grandson says. Crush-crush! let them crush! Not so fighters pressed on us yet!
        8. Samy
          Samy 3 February 2016 07: 36
          +1
          Because the "Power of Siberia" was even paid by the Chinese, and Russia set the cost prohibitive. When the Chinese said, "What is this? Let's build it ourselves, cheaper," Gazprom balked and was sent by the Chinese. The same is with the silk road, all prices are overstated by 2-3 times. It is inconvenient for the Chinese to transport through 6 countries, and not through three (Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus), but they still refused us. Such is the collision ...
      2. field engineer
        field engineer 1 February 2016 21: 44
        +1
        They will never meet on the way, the Ukrainian train has turned into a convoy PQ 18. They almost all have stops in ports.
      3. Altona
        Altona 1 February 2016 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        They can even mix up the ways, the Kazakh train is going, and the Ukrainian train is going to meet him on his way ...

        --------------------------
        Drive Kazakhstan and not smoke wonderful Chuy grass? You know that ... laughing
      4. Stranger03
        Stranger03 2 February 2016 10: 37
        +1
        The article does not reflect one point, but how much time the train goes through the territory of Russia. It would be interesting to know and relate the costs.
      5. vic58
        vic58 2 February 2016 16: 53
        0
        Yes, no, "tse Evropa" switched to left-hand traffic ...
      6. solkhat
        solkhat 4 February 2016 19: 33
        0
        And I want to add. There are 16 days. You also need to return. So, plus 16 days. Are the costs the same? Will it go empty or will the cargo be lucky? There are more questions than answers.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 1 February 2016 19: 47
      +6
      The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm of deliveries of cargo

      In the Kazakhstan steppe! laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 February 2016 19: 48
        21
        On the 16 day, the train arrived at the Kazakhstan station Dostyk, which is located near the border with the PRC.


        Runaway train ..? laughing
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 1 February 2016 19: 56
          28
          Quote: Sid.74
          On the 16 day, the train arrived at the Kazakhstan station Dostyk, which is located near the border with the PRC.


          Runaway train ..? laughing


          Flying Hohlander ??!
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 1 February 2016 20: 15
            +2
            Quote: NIKNN
            Flying Hohlander ??!

            More precisely - train.uchy! laughing
          2. crambol
            crambol 1 February 2016 21: 32
            +1
            Runaway train ..?


            Not this way:
            Silk Road - ..... c!
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 2 February 2016 18: 56
              +1
              The Great Silk Loop.
            2. The comment was deleted.
        2. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 1 February 2016 19: 57
          +6
          Quote: Sid.74


          Runaway train ..? laughing

          Probably more precisely - Train zvezdet!
          Or - Train paragraph !!

          However, such a non-silk way is quite logical, after "the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea" ...
          It’s a pity, but they were one people.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 1 February 2016 22: 18
            +4
            The Black Sea will now be buried, and the rails put down. Ferry is not profitable.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 1 February 2016 19: 51
        +6
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        In the Kazakhstan steppe!

        In that steppe is deaf, froze .... train.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 February 2016 19: 57
          32
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In that steppe is deaf, froze .... train.
          1. Tra-ta-ta
            Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 21: 56
            +2
            For a long time the Philippos will have to wait for the Oplot supplies by this route ...
            While they’ll bring it, and it’s time for overhaul ...
      3. sever.56
        sever.56 1 February 2016 19: 51
        48
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/211/npfh91.png

        "In that step and deaf" ...
        Twenty years have passed since the dispatch of the super-high-speed suburban squad
        along the "Great greasy-silk" road ... !!! wassat
        1. Yura
          Yura 1 February 2016 20: 06
          +2
          Quote: sever.56
          Twenty years have passed since the dispatch of the super-high-speed suburban squad
          along the "Great greasy-silk" road ... !!!
          In the photo, is he just going there, that is, going to China from Odessa? Something slowly somehow, probably parking at the stations is too long.
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 1 February 2016 20: 35
            +3
            Quote: Jura
            Something slowly somehow, probably parking at the stations is too long.

            No, they just didn’t get goods for the whole train - there are not many fools, so I had to make stops and load cars along the way.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 2 February 2016 01: 49
          +2
          Quote: sever.56
          "In that step and deaf" ...
          Twenty years have passed since the dispatch of the super-high-speed suburban squad
          along the "Great greasy-silk" road ... !!!

          The "Moscow-Cassiopeia" expedition has already returned, Ukraine has long disappeared, and the driver drove and drove all over the steppe ..
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 1 February 2016 19: 48
      10
      Quote: Black
      Suddenly I meet a ghost train with feral halls
    4. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 19: 49
      +6
      Quote: Black
      Suddenly I meet a ghost train with feral halls

      "Ghost train" or something. What a horror laughing
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 1 February 2016 20: 01
        +6
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        "Ghost train" or something. What a horror

        They accelerated to such a speed that they became invisible to the human eye.
        1. pravdor
          pravdor 1 February 2016 20: 23
          +4
          Right! They entered low Earth orbit, circles are cut at an incredible speed, but they can’t stop, at the right point, alas! May gravity help them!
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 2 February 2016 18: 59
            +1
            Turned into a new planet?
    5. mad
      mad 1 February 2016 19: 49
      +6
      Quote: Black
      Suddenly I meet a ghost train with feral halls

      Cross it with an atomic mortar. They are afraid of him wassat
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 1 February 2016 19: 57
        +4
        Didn’t you see the submarines of Ukraine, they will deliver the goods faster.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 1 February 2016 20: 01
        +8
        The economy, men, is as follows:
        One 40 ft. a container on this route through 4 borders and two seas: more than 7 thousand dollars .. And on the route through the EAEU (2 gran.- at the entrance and exit) less than 4 thousand ..
        Due to the fact that the train was half empty, the ferry had to go to Varna. And this is the Bulgarian border.
        And what kind of entrepreneur will carry such loads? hi
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 February 2016 19: 57
      18
      Quote: Black
      Suddenly I meet a ghost train with feral halls

      Well, Columbus was also a crest and a crest train China opens. fellow
      1. MrFlasoff
        MrFlasoff 1 February 2016 20: 28
        +4
        It was necessary to go through Europe laughing
      2. indulf
        indulf 3 February 2016 14: 06
        0
        That Columbus crest and surfaced, he also sought the way to India but bypassing the logic. Everyone knew that India was in the east, and he was sailing west.
    7. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 20: 00
      +9
      from Ukraine to China arrived the first train "bypassing Russia." The report said that this is the first traffic on the "new silk road", which does not provide for the passage of goods through Russian territory. Initially, it was announced that the goods from Ukraine would be delivered to China in 11 days, but in the end, “overpower” came out somewhat oiled.

      I didn’t understand anything again? Tse zrada il peremoga?
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 February 2016 20: 02
        16
        Quote: Wiruz
        Tse zrada il peremoga?

        Zradimoga! fellow
        1. vch62388
          vch62388 1 February 2016 20: 59
          +6
          or overdose)))
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 2 February 2016 06: 53
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        I didn’t understand anything again? Tse zrada il peremoga?

        This is Chinese New Year. Holidays begin on the 7th, before the holidays they have purchases and purchases of gifts, so that all business activities somewhere after our New Year they stop. They are already leaving home. They have already warned that Russian-Chinese customs will be in Blagoveshchensk closed from February 7th to 9th.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 2 February 2016 19: 02
          0
          Chinese Monkey begins to act!
    8. cayman gene
      cayman gene 1 February 2016 20: 06
      +9
      Quote: Black
      I'm going to my aunt in Kazakhstan. Now I'm afraid to go by train. Suddenly I meet a ghost train with feral halls belay laughing

      Vyacheslav, I share your concerns, they will eat to hell with clothes and shoes. wait, let this incomprehensible train sink into some kind of nothingness, and call your aunt back, say let him wait. wink
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 1 February 2016 20: 12
        +5
        - And why, one wonders, reprint the "news" from the "Economic Review"? A day or two ago, there was already the same material, and with a detailed analysis of the cost of one container transported "the old fashioned way", through the Federation, and sent by a Ukrainian uber-piece of iron. Yes, they failed again. No, this will not prevent them from declaring victory over Russia. Everything, as always, no innovations. Stability.
        1. jjj
          jjj 1 February 2016 20: 15
          +3
          The trick is that the train was empty — empty!
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 1 February 2016 20: 19
          14
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          Everything as usual

          Not at all ... for the mystery of the mysterious restarting train is revealed ... (whispering) - ... everything is He! yes
    9. vodolaz
      vodolaz 1 February 2016 20: 16
      +4
      The wonders of logistics are similar to those of the Russian Post))) I remember how people from Vladivostok complained that they ordered parts in Japan, so they were taken for customs clearance to Moscow, and then to Vladivostok))) Then someone received pistons at the post office and things went. And then they complained that the post was unprofitable. I’m just wondering how much it costs to transport a train like this?)
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 1 February 2016 20: 21
        +4
        Quote: vodolaz
        The wonders of logistics like the Russian Post)))


        - Not only at the Russian Post. My wife ordered something good on Ali Express, with delivery to the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, as a result, the cargo (weighing less than 500 grams) sailed around the continent for a month to Arkhangelsk, from where it went to Moscow, from there to Tyumen, from there to Novy Urengoy and, finally to the recipient. We expected a trick from "Post ...", but no one could have imagined that the Chinese comrades would send the cargo to sail around Eurasia ...
        1. VOLCHOXURAL
          VOLCHOXURAL 1 February 2016 21: 31
          +3
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          Quote: vodolaz
          The wonders of logistics like the Russian Post)))


          - Not only at the Russian Post. My wife ordered something good on Ali Express, with delivery to the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, as a result, the cargo (weighing less than 500 grams) sailed around the continent for a month to Arkhangelsk, from where it went to Moscow, from there to Tyumen, from there to Novy Urengoy and, finally to the recipient. We expected a trick from "Post ...", but no one could have imagined that the Chinese comrades would send the cargo to sail around Eurasia ...

          What about the world around you?
          A friend bought a Japanese minibus from me, I drove a little train and led the head off, the part turned out to be not fit for repair, well, I screwed our heads as fast as possible and drove on, it didn’t work with yapes (well, not with everyone), I ordered a new one in Japan through Amerikosovsky logistics office.
          This head first from Japan through the Pacific Ocean to America and only then went across the Atlantic to Russia, for everything about 3 months!
          So Ukrainians are everywhere, not only in ruin! laughing
        2. RPK-74
          RPK-74 1 February 2016 21: 43
          +2
          Goods from China to me in Siberia, in the Altai Territory go through Finland, Poland, Latvia, Hungary, the Netherlands, etc. And very rarely through Novosibirsk. Everywhere ,, Ukrainians ,, settled both in China and at the Post of Russia ... what smile
    10. Prisoner
      Prisoner 1 February 2016 20: 34
      +2
      Yeah. "Creeping crest" will be more terrible than "The Flying Dutchman". laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 February 2016 20: 57
        +5
        Honestly, I did not understand whom Ukraine is suing ... what

        Some transcendent idiocy ... terminal stage ... fool
        1. Alex ..
          Alex .. 1 February 2016 22: 12
          +1
          What's the difference. We ... and they have overpowered.
    11. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 1 February 2016 22: 08
      +1
      Once a swan set a pike with cancer near a pond and planted such a thing that a pike swam with cancer !!! And nothing has changed !!!
    12. self-propelled
      self-propelled 1 February 2016 23: 23
      +2
      The Ukrainian freight train "traveled" Russia on the way to China for 16 days
      all this can be formulated in one old joke
      in spite of the conductor-neighbor I will take a ticket and I won’t go
      the question is - who did it worse? experts have a minute to answer repeat
    13. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 2 February 2016 01: 12
      +3
      I put the article "+".
      And thought .... for what?
      So he was perplexed until he got to the comments.

      Amazing our little brothers, they will crawl into the hollow, mourn and become nervous, but instead. as the youngsters are supposed to do, ask the elders for help with a loud cry, they, like true youngsters, pretend that life in a hollow is life, and from this hollow they give out pearls over and over, one dumber than the other ...

      Strictly speaking, Westerners can sympathize - in the fight against evil Russia they have come to idiocy. It remains only to start digging a direct tunnel from Kieva to Shanghai ...
      I give this idea to all the enemies of Russia. For this is the only way to prove that bypassing Russia is shorter than China.

      But seriously, it’s time for us to build a wall from an armored lattice from Ukraine and geyrops - this needs to be done as a preventive measure, until the stupid virus has crawled over to us on a scale larger than the meager sizes of various worthless right forces, apples and other non-partisans.
      Judging by recent years, an epidemic of stupidity is spreading ...
    14. Military Builder
      Military Builder 2 February 2016 06: 20
      +2
      yeah, analogue of the flying Dutchman - the creeping hohlander
    15. Vend
      Vend 2 February 2016 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Black
      I'm going to my aunt in Kazakhstan. Now I'm afraid to go by train. Suddenly I meet a ghost train with wild Ukrainians belay laughing

      Commodity train, there are only two people Ukrainians driver and assistant laughing
    16. Nick
      Nick 2 February 2016 18: 18
      +1
      Quote: Black
      I'm going to my aunt in Kazakhstan. Now I'm afraid to go by train. Suddenly I meet a ghost train with wild Ukrainians belay laughing

      The main thing, take care of fat!
    17. aba
      aba 3 February 2016 20: 29
      0
      Fly Aeroflot! (with)
      wink
    18. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 4 February 2016 18: 35
      0
      Ghost Train - "Flying Dill"! wassat wassat wassat
  2. vglazunov
    vglazunov 1 February 2016 19: 44
    +3
    It was necessary to lubricate the rails with fat :)
    1. iConst
      iConst 1 February 2016 19: 46
      +3
      Quote: vglazunov
      It was necessary to lubricate the rails with fat :)
      - Then they would be stuck in Georgia - they would slip uphill ... laughing
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan 1 February 2016 19: 44
    +7
    Tired, probably ... And the driver’s money ran out sad - stock customsrequest! Horror !! recourse
    1. izya top
      izya top 1 February 2016 19: 59
      +3
      healthy, slam hi
      Senya-bezyaits boasts an FTA with a canada. Here, I wonder how much the train will choke on the Atlantic? what
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 1 February 2016 20: 22
        +2
        Quote: izya top
        Interestingly, in the Atlantic, how much will the train be choking?

        And under the Atlantic? what
        Hi, my fellow believer! hi
        1. izya top
          izya top 1 February 2016 21: 48
          +2
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          And under the Atlantic?

          So I’ve talked about the bottom. Are the trains still not swimming? Or am I behind progress?
  4. beer-youk
    beer-youk 1 February 2016 19: 44
    10
    The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm on the Black Sea and delays on the Kazakh railway of delaying the delivery of goods.

    Well, when were they guilty of anything? !!!
    1. iConst
      iConst 1 February 2016 19: 58
      +4
      Quote: beer-youk
      The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm on the Black Sea and delays on the Kazakh railway of delaying the delivery of goods.
      - Well, the storm - the stump is clear - Putin swam. But with Kazakhstan, it’s more difficult here, but all the same, Putin is to blame! laughing
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 2 February 2016 04: 45
        +1
        Quote: iConst
        Putin is to blame!

        Of course it is he who is to blame. Read "Censor", they will open your eyes. It was Putin (in their opinion) who paid for all the checkpoints and stations so that this train would not be in a hurry. Well, etc. Our president is GOD, who has slippers with wings. Has time everywhere.
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 1 February 2016 20: 17
      +4
      Quote: beer-youk
      The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm on the Black Sea and delays on the Kazakh railway of delaying the delivery of goods.

      Well, when were they guilty of anything? !!!

      It is in that case that they themselves are to blame. The Black Sea itself was dug. laughing
  5. iConst
    iConst 1 February 2016 19: 44
    +3
    Yes, and the flag in both hands ...
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 February 2016 19: 52
      +5
      Quote: iConst
      Yes, and the flag in both hands ...

      drum on the neck and a steam locomotive towards. this will be a real fix
    2. nikpwolf
      nikpwolf 1 February 2016 20: 06
      +3
      Quote: iConst
      Yes, and the flag in both hands ...

      And through Mars, the guys ... only through Mars ... Interactively observe this ... several generations of displants will be a logistical incident ...
  6. mad
    mad 1 February 2016 19: 46
    +2
    And our armored train is on a reserve road ... In general, if it is impatient and through China we will come to the halls! Fear maydanutye Bandera)))
  7. code54
    code54 1 February 2016 19: 48
    +3
    I wonder how much this RAILWAY freight train has done in general on the railway? Does anyone have this "silk" road on the map?
  8. kapitan92
    kapitan92 1 February 2016 19: 48
    14
    ....... "via Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan to China." ...
    smile Interesting! After this "trip", what is the price of the goods with the "square"?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 1 February 2016 20: 32
      +4
      I clarify the above KASYMA information. The shipping cost of 1 container along the previous route (through Russia) is 3900. For the new one, it is $ 7600.
  9. viktor561
    viktor561 1 February 2016 19: 48
    +3
    Yes, it’s clear - pure PR - it arrived empty — yes — yes, an empty train to the border with China — 15 days — is ridiculous! Transport will need -30 days - zrad !!!
    1. alone
      alone 1 February 2016 19: 55
      0
      Quote: viktor561
      Yes, it’s clear - pure PR - it arrived empty — yes — yes, an empty train to the border with China — 15 days — is ridiculous! Transport will need -30 days - zrad !!!


      The train was not empty. 30 wagons with containers. Moreover, the main delay occurred in the port of Aktau. There is only one berth platform for loading.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 1 February 2016 20: 20
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: viktor561
        Yes, it’s clear - pure PR - it arrived empty — yes — yes, an empty train to the border with China — 15 days — is ridiculous! Transport will need -30 days - zrad !!!


        The train was not empty. 30 wagons with containers. Moreover, the main delay occurred in the port of Aktau. There is only one berth platform for loading.

        And when did you calculate the logistics, what were three of them (berths)? fool
        1. alone
          alone 1 February 2016 20: 24
          +3
          Quote: pv1005
          And when did you calculate the logistics, what were three of them (berths)?


          No, they counted on the fact that they would instantly dispatch the ferry with wagons, but they didn’t calculate that the main flow of goods to Central Asia from Europe and from Turkey also goes along this route and the port of Aktau is quite congested. hi

          Negotiations are underway that Kazakhstan at an accelerated pace during the year and a half should build a second berth platform.
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 1 February 2016 20: 58
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Quote: pv1005
            And when did you calculate the logistics, what were three of them (berths)?


            No, they counted on the fact that they would instantly dispatch the ferry with wagons, but they didn’t calculate that the main flow of goods to Central Asia from Europe and from Turkey also goes along this route and the port of Aktau is quite congested. hi

            Negotiations are underway that Kazakhstan at an accelerated pace during the year and a half should build a second berth platform.

            So that's the problem that counting on something and counting something are two big differences. hi
            1. alone
              alone 1 February 2016 21: 13
              +1
              Quote: pv1005
              So that's the problem that counting on something and counting something are two big differences.

              I don’t argue. The organizers simply ignored the current realities)))
              1. pv1005
                pv1005 1 February 2016 21: 25
                0
                Quote: lonely
                Quote: pv1005
                So that's the problem that counting on something and counting something are two big differences.

                I don’t argue. The organizers simply ignored the current realities)))

                Do not take into account this is very mildly said.
  10. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 1 February 2016 19: 48
    +4
    "The movement of the first train along the route of the new Silk Road could be followed on an interactive map on the website of the Ministry of Infrastructure."

    The new national fun is square. smile
  11. Lukich
    Lukich 1 February 2016 19: 48
    +4
    The Ukrainian freight train "traveled" Russia on the way to China for 16 days

    Well, what is not a sailor iron ore. I just want to say, you can’t fart in the water, don’t scare the fish. sit at home and wait for help. the maneuver was successful for all 100 croc. maybe psaki prompted such a maneuver? in her style
  12. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 1 February 2016 19: 51
    +3
    Floating train? I want this! winked
  13. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 1 February 2016 19: 51
    +3
    Will "the locomotive from Romashkovo" come back, or has it already been scrapped there, in China ?! Well, they didn’t push him back with yuan! Kick, downhill ... recourse
  14. Maksus
    Maksus 1 February 2016 19: 52
    +3
    Eeee, and to whom (except for the very stubborn) need to send goods bypassing the Russian Federation? Especially if on the way you have to overcome several times the stormy seas with cyclops and monsters, and then find yourself in Hohland ???
  15. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 1 February 2016 19: 53
    +6
    Two ferry crossings, how many km. bypassing ?! "Normal heroes always go around .." (Barmaley's song from the movie "Aibolit-66")
  16. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 1 February 2016 19: 57
    +6
    I’ll go to bed with a smile on my face .. :)
  17. alone
    alone 1 February 2016 19: 58
    -1
    You’re laughing in vain. Recently there was a conversation about this. I spoke about this route. Many found it impossible. They called it economically impractical and expensive. And now we are talking about the fact that all countries that go this way will go down the tariffs. The benefit is that by lowering the price, they achieve an increase in freight traffic and thereby conceal losses from the decrease
    1. The black
      The black 1 February 2016 20: 05
      +6
      I think that all these epics with loading and unloading on ferries and roundabouts are so unprofitable that no tariff reduction will help .....Overseas heifers - half, but the ruble is exported. (Russian proverb)
      1. alone
        alone 1 February 2016 20: 14
        -3
        Quote: Black
        I think that all these epics with ferry loading and unloading and roundabouts are so unprofitable that no tariff reduction will help ...

        Do you know what is interesting in this case? The Chinese. If it would be unprofitable, the Chinese would go for it? I don’t think. The Chinese are pragmatic. They don’t give a damn about who has what kind of relationship.
        1. The black
          The black 1 February 2016 20: 22
          +7
          And what about the Chinese? They announced a price. Delivery at the expense of Ukraine and sit-wait smile .... Well, you yourself imagine! Twice by the sea! ... That is, not only railway transportation but also sea transportation. Plus distance. Plus transit ....
          1. alone
            alone 1 February 2016 20: 32
            0
            Quote: Black
            And what about the Chinese? They announced a price. Delivery at the expense of Ukraine and sit-wait .... Well, you imagine! Twice by the sea! ... That is, not only railway transportation but also sea transportation. Plus distance. Plus transit ....

            ))) The cargo goes bilaterally. From Europe to China and vice versa. Will Ukrainians also pay for goods from China? what Illogical.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 2 February 2016 19: 11
              +1
              Does China also ship cargo this way?
          2. kil 31
            kil 31 1 February 2016 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: Black
            And what about the Chinese? They announced a price. Delivery at the expense of Ukraine and sit-wait smile .... Well, you yourself imagine! Twice by the sea! ... That is, not only railway transportation but also sea transportation. Plus distance. Plus transit ....

            Of course, the Chinese in FIG. Here Ukraine, something is stirring up, apparently wants China to pay customs with Kazakhstan. The cunning people wanted to overthrow the cunning eyes. But it turned out oblomingo. laughing
            The Ukrainian train, the first to go to China bypassing Russia, has stopped moving and is now located at the Kazakhstan station Dostyk (Friendship) near the border with China. Yes, he is standing at our station, - Kairat Orynbaev, chief engineer of the station, confirmed to LifeNews.
            He could not name the reasons why the movement of the train stopped, noting that this was due to some "problems" - with documents or with fare.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend 1 February 2016 20: 24
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      You’re laughing in vain. Recently there was a conversation about this. I spoke about this route. Many found it impossible. They called it economically impractical and expensive. And now we are talking about the fact that all countries that go this way will go down the tariffs. The benefit is that by lowering the price, they achieve an increase in freight traffic and thereby conceal losses from the decrease

      I propose to send the cargo through Antarctica. In general, no borders, no need to reduce any tariffs at all, can you imagine !!! The main thing is to "increase cargo traffic" through Antarctica, and this is undoubtedly "to hide losses from the decline."
    3. pv1005
      pv1005 1 February 2016 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      You’re laughing in vain. Recently there was a conversation about this. I spoke about this route. Many found it impossible. They called it economically impractical and expensive. And now we are talking about the fact that all countries that go this way will go down the tariffs. The benefit is that by lowering the price, they achieve an increase in freight traffic and thereby conceal losses from the decrease

      One transport through the Northern Sea Route will transport many times more and at the same time. Less two loading unloading by ferry. By the way, how many ferries provide this high-speed line?
      1. alone
        alone 1 February 2016 20: 30
        +1
        The total complexity of ferries 13.a specialized ferries for trains 4-5 in the Caspian Sea, but on the Black Sea I think the same
    4. uragan114
      uragan114 1 February 2016 20: 44
      +1
      And what, economically impractical laughing normal savings, instead of 5-6 days via Russia, for sixteen, around at the exact same point? Ferry, five borders or six?
      1. alone
        alone 1 February 2016 20: 49
        -1
        Quote: uragan114
        But what, normal economics is not practical, instead of 5-6 days through Russia, for sixteen, around at the exact same point? Ferry, five borders or six?

        The most interesting thing on this issue is that the Chinese have invested a very decent amount on this route, having built a railway to Kazakhstan and agreed to this route. Moreover, they made a commitment that they would send their goods to Europe along the same route. I have never met not a single Chinese, especially an official who would act to the detriment of the state interests of the PRC. There they will shoot for this))))
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 1 February 2016 21: 53
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: uragan114
          But what, normal economics is not practical, instead of 5-6 days through Russia, for sixteen, around at the exact same point? Ferry, five borders or six?

          The most interesting thing on this issue is that the Chinese have invested a very decent amount on this route, having built a railway to Kazakhstan and agreed to this route. Moreover, they made a commitment that they would send their goods to Europe along the same route. I have never met not a single Chinese, especially an official who would act to the detriment of the state interests of the PRC. There they will shoot for this))))

          Ahahahaha ... but why are they shot if you "have not personally met a single Chinese in your life, especially an official who would act to the detriment of the state interests of the PRC"?))))
          Is there a link to the obligations of the Chinese to send goods by this route? The Chinese ship to Europe mostly by sea, because it's cheap, don't go crazy about "this route".
  18. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 1 February 2016 19: 58
    +3
    The driver of course was Zoryan Shkiryak. smile
  19. tol100v
    tol100v 1 February 2016 19: 59
    +4
    This is not a silk road, but golden with diamonds! Another promotion of protoUkrov. Have they even considered shipping costs? And what are they going to supply to China? If the goods are from Europe, then Europeans will not be envied! On the stretch of Chop-Odessa-Ilyichevsk, the cargo will dissolve as if by magic! And no insurance company in the world can prove malice. Everything will be attributed to force majeure circumstances (storm, eclipse of the moon and the sun at the same time, etc., etc.)
  20. hartlend
    hartlend 1 February 2016 19: 59
    +6
    Need to sue the Black Sea for the storm.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 1 February 2016 20: 29
      +3
      Quote: hartlend
      Need to sue the Black Sea for the storm.

      I repeat. How to sue ourselves? They dug the sea themselves.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 1 February 2016 21: 25
        +2
        Quote: pv1005
        Quote: hartlend
        Need to sue the Black Sea for the storm.

        I repeat. How to sue ourselves? They dug the sea themselves.

        They’ll sue even the hell. We need to act like them, sue Ukraine, do not have the right to deprive us of transit. This is a political decision. laughing laughing laughing
        Ukraine sued over the construction of Nord Stream-2. This was stated by Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at a meeting with the Deputy Prime Minister of Slovakia.
        “Ukraine has filed a lawsuit over the construction of Nord Stream-2. We believe that Nord Stream 2 is a political project. We ask the European Commission to start an investigation and stop this anti-Ukrainian, anti-European, anti-Slovak, anti-Polish project. We do not want to let the Russians outplay us. ..this draft should not only be revised, but also rejected ", - he is quoted as saying
  21. bannik
    bannik 1 February 2016 20: 02
    +2
    And it somehow seems to me like this: - Dear Chinese partners, have we brought you Polish fat to the border? Fitted up. Kindly pay the shipping costs - and you can pick up!
  22. podgornovea
    podgornovea 1 February 2016 20: 02
    +5
    Laughing here is absolutely not the case!
    Russia has a huge advantage in the transport shoulder of the West-East and East-West, at least by land, even through the Northern Sea Route (NSR).
    We are once again squeezed out from STRATEGIC heights (transport).
    It has long been clear that they will not count the economy. (This is about HOST)
    They will carry at a loss, and with longer periods, and with the risks of unstable transit states.
    Also cut gas pipelines bypassing the outskirts.
    THIS IS WAR.
    (why giggle then?)
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 1 February 2016 20: 09
      +5
      The war is already underway and it did not start yesterday. Call it "hybrid" or yes, but it goes on. In war, all methods are good for achieving victory.
      "..... and with the risks of unstable transit states." ..
      So maybe these risks need to be increased by showing shorter and safer routes?
    2. bannik
      bannik 1 February 2016 20: 28
      +3
      Nobody has yet canceled: - Politics is a CONCENTRATED expression of the economy (something like this). Because THEY consider and will count the economy! Frozen ears spite grandmother - it's not about THEM!
  23. Wiruz
    Wiruz 1 February 2016 20: 02
    +3
    Why didn’t they go through Europe? AND? It was possible generally through the States, and there across the Pacific just to the Chinese shores.
  24. ded100
    ded100 1 February 2016 20: 02
    +2
    Briefly so the horses are not written the law! laughing
  25. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 20: 03
    +8
    The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm on the Black Sea of ​​delaying the delivery of goods ..
    Something I can not imagine such a storm in the Black Sea, which will prevent the ferry ...

    In short:
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 1 February 2016 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: Tra-ta-ta
      Something I can not imagine such a storm in the Black Sea, which will interfere with the ferry ..

      Have you seen a storm that could interfere with the TRAIN?
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 21: 40
        0
        A sandstorm in the deserts of Middle Asia can easily send a train into the sand ...
        In Namibia, even euro-windows do not save from the sand ..
        In what condition will the cargo be after traveling through the deserts ..?!
  26. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 1 February 2016 20: 09
    10
    It’s funny, it’s funny. Friends to the first crossroads!
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 21: 12
      +3
      Nobody has thrown anyone yet.
      These are all trial balloons for route logistics ...
      Count now and calm down for a long time.
      In short:
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 February 2016 21: 29
      +2
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      It's funny, it's funny, but the Chinese of us threw us through Tansib to let their weights

      And already consider the profit laughing
    3. dimunder
      dimunder 1 February 2016 21: 32
      +5
      Nothing personal. China follows its pragmatic line of doing business. Personally, I was not at all surprised at this news. Now China will calculate all the pros and cons and draw certain conclusions. And so, from an economic point of view, it is even easier for us (Russia). Let other countries invest in a dying non-fallow economy.
    4. hrych
      hrych 1 February 2016 21: 45
      +2
      It matters, in addition to travel time, the cost of transit, when you need to cross two seas, drive 3-4 times by ferry and vice versa, cross a bunch of borders and customs, of course the cost increases significantly. Of course, a dozen wagons is one thing, hundreds of wagons are another. We tried it, it didn’t work out very well, referred to the weather and the storm, so here you need to insure the cargo at sea rates, etc. The most important thing is that Illichivsk itself is not Hamburg and is not the final or initial transit point. It’s still necessary to drive Europe, and there I’m afraid that logistics in this direction is completely undeveloped and so far, something will work for years, if not decades, and these, these states seem to have so much time, and first of all, Independent, and other countries with territorial problems, with the exception of Kazakhstan, which China itself claims to be ... By the way, the map was initially flawed, Crimea was painted completely wrong ...
    5. Victor-M
      Victor-M 2 February 2016 00: 32
      +1
      Doesn’t it resemble a picture?
    6. nizrum
      nizrum 2 February 2016 09: 34
      +1
      I didn’t want to, I read that the transsib is already loaded with Chinese and its relics are not enough. The Chinese are looking for more routes.
    7. The comment was deleted.
  27. Nord2015
    Nord2015 1 February 2016 20: 13
    +3
    Greeting announcement: Arrival of a train is delayed due to a storm. The height of the waves along the train reaches 9 meters.
  28. Jan2016
    Jan2016 1 February 2016 20: 18
    +3
    Druzhba station is a sorting station and loads are loaded onto Chinese trains. Because the track of China is of a different European width. In this regard, as rolling stock is not always immediately available. Cargo can expect sorting from a few days to several weeks.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 21: 16
      +1
      Is not a fact..
      In the USSR, putting cars on Euro-wheels was a trifling debugged thing ..!
  29. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 20: 21
    +2
    And why didn’t they go by train through the North Pole? Can they dig the seas, and stretch the rails directly onto the ice or along the bottom of the ocean?
  30. Served once
    Served once 1 February 2016 20: 23
    +1
    Here it is, the price of TS. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is said separately. Two of our Ally: Army and Navy! hi
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 2 February 2016 10: 39
      +1
      And two troubles - fools and roads. It’s necessary to work, not to blow cheeks. hi
  31. philosopher
    philosopher 1 February 2016 20: 23
    +5
    Dear audience, I do not know about you, but the key phrase seemed to me: "... then the Chinese themselves can pick up the cargo and send it by their own railway to Guangzhou or Chongqing." Fuck and don't get up! But there is also the second act of this Marmaison ballet - to invite the Chinese to pick up all their cargo from the point of departure (Odessa or something), the beginning of the idea is already visible! Further, I do not have enough imagination. If there are rationalization ideas developing the theory of the Ukropskiy Silk Road, then immediately suggest to the "supreme zrada of Ukraine".
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 21: 19
      +1
      Not everyone was molested in Little Russia ..!
  32. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 1 February 2016 20: 24
    +8
    The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine accused the storm on the Black Sea of ​​delaying the delivery of goods


    Putin sent a storm, not otherwise. laughing
  33. yushch
    yushch 1 February 2016 20: 31
    +4
    In order to recoup this test run, it remains to do a little, namely, to hand over the cars for scrap and the driver for the organs to the Chinese comrades.
    laughing
  34. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 February 2016 20: 37
    +2
    Though through the ass, the main thing is to bypass Russia. Marazmatiki, damn it ......
  35. pas682010
    pas682010 1 February 2016 20: 38
    +3
    It is interesting to what absurdity Ukrainians will go in the field of Russia's gann making! Let the goods manage in such a way, if only to annoy the pits!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 February 2016 22: 45
      0
      Quote: pas682010
      It is interesting to what absurdity Ukrainians will go in the field of Russia's gann making!

      The main thing for them, carrying out these "reforms", is to look dashing and silly, so as not to embarrass the mattress-European bosses with their understanding.
  36. MarKon
    MarKon 1 February 2016 20: 48
    +1
    I wonder who in this experiment on the grandmother put?
    30 empty containers of 7 pieces in Baku ...
    1. alone
      alone 1 February 2016 20: 57
      -1
      Quote: MarKon
      0 empty containers of 7 pieces in Baku ...

      Would you pay 210 Baku to transport 000 empty containers?))) I wouldn’t. The containers were loaded
      1. ayuric
        ayuric 2 February 2016 06: 25
        +1
        containers, platforms, a steam locomotive and a driver are the cargo. lol
  37. Siberian
    Siberian 1 February 2016 20: 50
    +3
    Well, what can I say. And RUSSIA was severely punished, and became pioneers.
    1. KAZAK67
      KAZAK67 1 February 2016 21: 43
      +1
      If the ancient Ukrainian people dug up the Black Sea, then the new Svidomo Ukrainian people should not dig a strait to China !!!! And then the cotton-wool Raska fse!)))))
  38. TOR2
    TOR2 1 February 2016 20: 52
    +3
    As the people say: "7 versts is not a hook." Looking at all this, we need to develop our own appropriate infrastructure. At one time, how many marshalling yards were closed, and this in no way contributes to an increase in the speed of delivery of goods. And specialized container trains have already passed the stage. It is not very convenient for shippers to wait until it is formed.
  39. Cfif2303
    Cfif2303 1 February 2016 20: 57
    +1
    Kazakhs GOOD FELLOWS! We tested how much the train will go through their territory .... Now they clearly know how much it can be shared .... to take apart ... Forward Khokhs (Khokhlov as a very serious title) ... Kazakhs are looking forward to your cargo ... And from space you can’t see anything ... x..x..x ..
  40. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 1 February 2016 21: 02
    +1
    During a trip from Ukraine to China, they will remember the Russian language and learn to think a little.
  41. Myr Myr
    Myr Myr 1 February 2016 21: 09
    +5
    Well done! Well, maybe when they want laughing laughing fool
  42. DMB3000
    DMB3000 1 February 2016 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    It’s funny, it’s funny. Friends to the first crossroads!

    tsuki. !!!!
  43. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 1 February 2016 21: 10
    +2
    And Ukraine filed a lawsuit in the case of the construction of the Nord Stream-2. wassat
    Yaytsenyukh: “I would like to inform you that Ukraine has filed a lawsuit in the case of the construction of Nord Stream-2. This is a political project. We are asking the European Commission to start an investigation and stop this anti-European and anti-Ukrainian project. ”
    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1601624/?fb#ixzz3ywPbpTh7
  44. VP
    VP 1 February 2016 21: 10
    +1
    Was it because of ten wagons that they were drowning in okeans and smuggling paths?
  45. sergant67
    sergant67 1 February 2016 21: 24
    0
    What is our achievement? (((Then I'm Proud.
    Or nothing more to write.
    Let’s recall better how many children recovered from us as a result of successfully performed free surgeries. And what wonderful and disinterested medical specialists we have. Or what a clever head of government we have or what a wise State Duma we have.
    1. VP
      VP 1 February 2016 23: 07
      +2
      For some reason, each skakuas, in response to the next ukrozra, considers it his duty to suddenly attend to Russian doctors. The reflex seems to be like that. It would seem that what do the doctors have to do with it "around the world in 80 days", but nevertheless the twisting thought of Lera Novodvorskaya's grandchildren always bumps into doctors.
      1. Arbogast
        Arbogast 1 February 2016 23: 30
        0
        Quote: lonely
        And now we are talking about the fact that all countries that go this route will go down in tariffs. The benefit is that by lowering the price, they seek an increase in freight traffic and thereby conceal losses from the reduction
        Already agreed ..
        The war on geography may be successful
        However, the fact that some of our citizens scratch their right ear with their left hand, that is, they carry goods from China through the EU and Russia, suggests that people do not trust local customs so much that they prefer to pay for a hook of thousands of kilometers.

        Ukraine is also going to do the same to bypass the territory of the Russian Federation. And in this case, Nezalezhnaya really hopes for the help of Kazakhstan. At the request of the Ukrainian side, Kazakhstan has already reduced transportation rates by 24% (compared to 2015) cargo container train on the route Dostyk - Aktau. In turn Ukraine announced a discount of 60% on freight from Illichivsk to the border with EU countries.

        The Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine even calculated:
        transportation of an 20-foot container from Ukraine to China will cost from 5 thousand dollars, and the total time of the train from the start to the end point will take from 11 days to two weeks.
  46. 933454818
    933454818 1 February 2016 21: 28
    +2
    Pay attention to how this train with Ukrainian goods went - apparently the Kazakh partners have a fair sense of humor - to write such pretzels across the steppes and forests of Kazakhstan ... It was possible to drive along the southern branch through Kyzyl-Orda, Chimkent, Chu, Alma-Ata. 16 days of such a journey - these Ukrainians accompanying the cargo can be safely given the title of "Heroes of Ukraine" (for life)
  47. Mentor
    Mentor 1 February 2016 21: 29
    +3
    The containers contained the Ukrainian air of "freedom and democracy" ... That's why he stopped at the border.
  48. PBF
    PBF 1 February 2016 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: hartlend
    Need to sue the Black Sea for the storm.

    This is all Shaigu, driving the remnants of armored-hoofed militia divisions along the shore on "Chebkrashki", creating excitement at sea. And Medvedev in the new bathyscaphe, led the underwater currents. And VVP itself, on a "new donated yacht", tracked the route of the ferry. Everything was done so that the great reversal would not take place.
  49. KAZAK67
    KAZAK67 1 February 2016 21: 37
    0
    If the ancient Ukrainian people dug up the Black Sea, then the new Svidomo Ukrainian people should not dig a strait to China !!!! And then the cotton-wool Raska fse!)))))
  50. SADKO72
    SADKO72 1 February 2016 22: 04
    +1
    In fact, nothing funny. New logistic alternative scheme. Believe in everything. Whoever did this knows how this is not quickly done at the beginning, given that the entire railway structure and rolling stock of both Ukraine and Georgia and Kazakhstan is as old as mammoth shit (mostly), and no one has yet canceled corruption at customs.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 1 February 2016 22: 09
      0
      Quote: SADKO72
      Believe in everything.

      Quote: SADKO72
      given that the entire railway structure and rolling stock of both Ukraine and Georgia and Kazakhstan is as old as a mammoth shit (mostly), and no one has yet canceled corruption at customs.

      Ahahaha ....
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 2 February 2016 04: 30
      +1
      All right! This is not dill logistics - this is a trial balloon of China! So everything will go fine after working out the route. And do not scuff! China is far from fools!
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 2 February 2016 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Platonitch
        All right! This is not dill logistics - this is a trial balloon of China! So everything will go fine after working out the route. And do not scuff! China is far from fools!

        It would seem that what does China have to do with it, if the Ukrainians sent the goods.
        And you need to stop raving, the Chinese send goods mainly by sea, because it is cheap and convenient, and no Ukrainian route for transportation by sea can not replace. Never.)