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1-I Tank Army recreated in ZVO

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In the Western District, the 1st Guards tank army, newspaper reports MIC with reference to the press service of the ZVO.


1-I Tank Army recreated in ZVO


"The army included the Kantemirovskaya tank and Taman motorized rifle divisions, as well as a number of other formations and units," the release says.

“The arsenal consists of the main battle tanks T-72B3, T-80, combat vehicles of infantry BPM-2, as well as more than 130 names of other types of military equipment and modifications. This year, the 1 th Guards Tank Army under the command of Major General Alexander Chayko will have to spend over 1,5 thousands of battle firing units, platoons, company and battalion tactical exercises, as well as planned combat training activities, ”
reported the press service.

It is noted that "the army teams will also have to take part in various competitions from the program of the Army International Games, including in the" Tank Biathlon "and" Suvorov Onslaught ".

On Friday, at the board of the Ministry of Defense, Alexander Chaiko was awarded the personal standard of the army commander.

Photos used:
vif2ne.ru, Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 February 2016 19: 14
    113
    Back in November they wrote about her, it will go to Almaty in 2017 year. And the war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 1 February 2016 19: 19
      67
      1-I Tank Army recreated in ZVO

      NATO sent 40 tanks from the United States to Eastern Europe, and we responded to them: a tank army! Equilibrium restored! smile
      I understand that minuses from sympathizers of Eastern Europe flew? laughing
      1. Kars
        Kars 1 February 2016 19: 26
        87
        ____________________________
        1. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 1 February 2016 19: 32
          46
          Congratulations to all the tankers of the 1st Guards Tank Army!
          The army included the Kantemirov Tank and Taman Motor Rifle Divisions, as well as a number of other formations and units

          I have Grandfather Zhenya, in whose honor I was named, a tankman (driver) in the Kantemirovsky division in the Second World War fought!
          1. RUS96
            RUS96 1 February 2016 20: 44
            22
            My grandfather in the Ural volunteer-mechvod.
            1. pesny2006
              pesny2006 2 February 2016 13: 28
              15
              I commanded in the Ural volunteer company. Germany, Potsdam.
              1. Alex20042004
                Alex20042004 2 February 2016 15: 46
                +4
                Dear, pesny2006, now command you a tank brigade in Germany. soldier soldier soldier
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 1 February 2016 20: 52
          +1
          ATP for the photo archive ...... where is it from? ... where is it done?
          1. Kars
            Kars 1 February 2016 21: 07
            41
            Quote: gispanec
            ATP for the photo archive ...... where is it from? ... where is it done?

            I do not have accurate information, where I found it was signed West 81 teachings or something like that.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 1 February 2016 21: 58
              36
              Yes, this is the Zapad-81 exercise.
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 2 February 2016 08: 48
                0
                The best equipment, the best people, the best country in the world! Imagine Zhirinovsky with his boots washing in the Indian Ocean .. in power at a time when the power of the Soviet Union was unlimited, it’s scary to even think winked !
                1. cth; fyn
                  cth; fyn 2 February 2016 09: 16
                  0
                  Zhirinovsky, the head of the Russian Federation, made fun, you first ask a question, but he needs it? He sits comfortably in his place and does it well and no longer wins. And that is why he can afford to indulge.
                2. bald
                  bald 3 February 2016 12: 17
                  -1
                  Wrong address, brother!
                  This is the site of love for Putin.
                3. Archon
                  Archon 3 February 2016 15: 23
                  0
                  In such a position, he did not have to be so expressive. there would be nothing. maybe even the USSR would not fall apart
              2. cheguevarazhiv
                cheguevarazhiv 2 February 2016 12: 58
                +2
                Yeah .... here it is the power of the "backward scoop" To watch all liberals in muzzles and diapers
              3. msm
                msm 3 February 2016 18: 35
                0
                It becomes clear why no one was rude to either our ministers or ambassadors. And, in general, they were quiet!
              4. Sinbad
                Sinbad 3 February 2016 22: 23
                +1
                Yes. They were so afraid of this power that they destroyed the whole empire, with the help of traitors. And we lied about the backlog and the economy.
            2. pesny2006
              pesny2006 2 February 2016 13: 29
              +1
              Magdeburg training ground, Germany
        3. Sinbad
          Sinbad 3 February 2016 22: 16
          +1
          If I am not mistaken, West 81. How, I remember, participated.
      2. iConst
        iConst 1 February 2016 19: 55
        13
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        NATO sent 40 tanks from the United States to Eastern Europe,
        - A part (from Latvia) has already been removed. Replaced by armored vehicles, as it is useless - the abrams do not crawl along the damp meadow.
        And such bunkers in the base are not needed.
      3. midashko
        midashko 1 February 2016 20: 12
        +9
        It seems to me that it was: Serdyukov came and "created" 10 brigades, but at the same time he casually mentioned that he had disbanded some formations. Now they created a tank army, but they forgot to mention that 10 brigades were disbanded.

        The news is quite routine, organization is underway, reorganization ... I admit that the event is reasonable and very necessary, but I do not see anything breakthrough and outstanding in this event.
        1. Dmitry Ukraine
          Dmitry Ukraine 1 February 2016 21: 05
          17
          The creation in due time (1942) of the unification of the tank army class in the Red Army was a very unpleasant surprise for the Germans, since our army received in its hands a tool intended, first of all, for conducting large-scale operations at great depths for solving not only operational, but also strategic objectives. And even though it took more than a year to establish, improve the structure, fully equip with equipment, train personnel and "put together" tank armies, in 1944-1945 they showed what enormous tasks such associations are capable of solving. But, unfortunately, the re-creation of tank armies is a sign of an impending big war. Or (which I hope for), a big warning to the "partners" and not only that the English Channel is not so far, if anything ...
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 4 February 2016 17: 35
            0
            Well, apparently, the brave generals think fast blitzkrieg during WWII. However, now is another time, and that tactic will not work. And especially anti-tank weapons. So hatred must be thrown away
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 1 February 2016 22: 45
          34
          Quote: midashko
          The news is quite routine, organization is underway, reorganization ... I admit that the event is reasonable and very necessary, but I do not see anything breakthrough and outstanding in this event.

          The news is not routine, but rather disturbing. Such operational and strategic formations as the tank army existed only during the Great Patriotic War. In peacetime in the USSR there were no such compounds. He himself served as an officer tanker in the division maximum, there were no armies. These formations are created for large-scale offensive operations, when it is necessary to take the cities and large enemy units into the grip, and the main forces, along with infantry units and with the support of aviation, attack the forehead and at the same time there is also the reserve of the army commander to strengthen the emerging weaknesses on front.
          Wow routine!
          1. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 3 February 2016 08: 51
            0
            Create - MEAN NECESSARY!
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 1 February 2016 20: 21
        13
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        and we answered them: a tank army!

        Do not hurry.
        First of all, we are talking about the reconstruction of the army headquarters and, possibly, units of the combat, logistic and technical support of the "army kit". 4th Guards TD and 2 Guards. MSD will simply be part of it.
        True, there were reports of the formation on the basis of the existing brigades of 4 more divisions. This, perhaps, is the minimum of what is necessary in order to quickly and inevitably force Western prostitutes to the world.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 1 February 2016 20: 35
          17
          Quote: Alekseev
          Do not hurry.

          ... agree ... hi .. there is no data on the staff structure yet .. but it is very believed that human people who graduated from the General Staff Academy ... think in the same categories ... the standard staff of the MSD (Soviet):
          - 3 motorized rifle regiments
          - 1 artillery regiment
          - 1 tank regiment
          - 1 anti-aircraft missile regiment
          + separate battalions:
          - engineering sapper
          - intelligence
          - communication
          - medical battalion
          - MTO
          - repair and restoration
          + individual units
          - battery management and artillery reconnaissance
          - anti-tank division
          - company RHBZ (flamethrower)
          ... there, agitation battalion, comrot, the field branch of the bank .. hi
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 1 February 2016 20: 55
            +2
            Quote: Inok10
            field branch of the bank

            Gerlbat and Banyavzvod))))
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 1 February 2016 21: 13
              +7
              Quote: gispanec
              Quote: Inok10
              field branch of the bank

              Gerlbat and Banyavzvod))))

              ... to blame, I will correct! .. Laundry bath missed .. laughing
          2. pesny2006
            pesny2006 2 February 2016 13: 36
            +2
            It seems to me that army aviation can also be added to the structure for cover. In Soviet times, they talked about this, but could not, expensively. Now life is forcing.
      5. zloybond
        zloybond 1 February 2016 21: 01
        -16 qualifying.
        you would think that from this piece of paper there were more tanks. the units and formations as they were in the same composition .... and in service so far, unlike the exported T-72Б3, T-80, infantry fighting vehicles BPM-2 and much more rubbish
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 1 February 2016 22: 56
          22
          Quote: zloybond
          you would think that from this piece of paper there were more tanks. the units and formations as they were in the same composition .... and in service so far, unlike the exported T-72Б3, T-80, infantry fighting vehicles BPM-2 and much more rubbish

          There is enough trash in all the armies of all countries, including the United States. Do not think that they do not fight on the old technology, especially since the ultramodern Amerikosov Abrams or German Leopards simply can not fight on the vehicles covered by our equipment, swamps, mud and spring-autumn confusion, many bridges are simply not designed for their weight. Only their old lighter and weaker equipment can go rapidly into a breakthrough in the tactical open spaces, and not along the roads.
      6. aleks700
        aleks700 1 February 2016 21: 20
        +3
        NATO sent 40 tanks from the United States to Eastern Europe, and we responded to them: a tank army! Equilibrium restored!

        The army consists of active units. Numerically, little has changed.
      7. g1v2
        g1v2 1 February 2016 22: 11
        +5
        Again, hell, damn it. The 1st Tank Army is created from active units. In essence, this is just a reformation. But new units will be created in the new 20th Army. soldier
      8. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 1 February 2016 22: 29
        +7
        Quote: SRC P-15
        1-I Tank Army recreated in ZVO

        NATO sent 40 tanks from the United States to Eastern Europe, and we responded to them: a tank army! Equilibrium restored! smile
        I understand that minuses from sympathizers of Eastern Europe flew? laughing

        It’s even pointless for you to set cons. On the basis of existing parts, an operational-strategic connection was created, as military districts are not an offensive offensive force and do not organize divisions, brigades, or other units to carry out major offensive or defensive battles. There is not even any talk about new tanks. Is it your pessimistic sarcasm or something?
      9. Kunar
        Kunar 2 February 2016 18: 47
        0
        Oh well)))))) IDIOLIST soldier
      10. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 3 February 2016 13: 55
        0
        I do not sympathize with gayjop, in response to 40 additional NATO tanks, we labeled the active divisions as an "army" - and that's it ... Only the staff of generals and colonels has grown (apparently, there is nowhere to go).
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 February 2016 19: 21
      18
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Back in November they wrote about her, it will go to Almaty in 2017 year. And the war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.

      Must, must hope for a better Lord. hi"During 2016-2017, the re-equipment of the 1st Guards Tank Army and the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army will begin with the latest models of armored vehicles. In particular, the tanks in service will be replaced by Armata tanks. These armies will be the first to receive the Kurganets BMP. " hi
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 1 February 2016 19: 37
        15
        Reasonable and timely. Especially in conditions of non-use of nuclear weapons. We will fight, as before.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 19: 58
          12
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Reasonable and timely. Especially in conditions of non-use of nuclear weapons.

          And where did you get the idea that nuclear weapons would not be used? With the incomparable military potential of Russia and NATO (with allies), only its use equalizes the chances. More precisely, it leaves no chance for anyone. Everything is fair. This fact just keeps our sworn friends from rash adventures.
        2. ksv1973
          ksv1973 1 February 2016 23: 48
          0
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Reasonable and timely. Especially in conditions of non-use of nuclear weapons.

          And who declared that "no application"?
          Now, any more or less serious conflict involving at least one nuclear power would entail the use of at least nuclear OTP.
          After 1945, the United States did not use the above-mentioned weapons simply due to the fact that Russia has the same. Would try "s" to use at least 1-2-kiloton artillery ammunition. According to Hanoi, for example ...
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 19: 37
        -2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        In November they wrote about her, it will go to Almaty in 2017. AND war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.

        Quote: vovanpain
        ..the tanks in service will be replaced by Armata tanks. These armies will be the first to receive the Kurganets BMP

        Guys, what are you? The era of tank wedges and epic battles near Prokhorovka is a thing of the past. With any serious turmoil in Europe, there will be a big nuclear "bada-boom", and there the tanks will no longer help. And why should we now go to the Pyrenees in mechanized columns? Well, as planned under the mighty USSR, in two weeks and across the scorched radioactive desert. Meaning?
        And for local conflicts, our armored forces are quite enough. Let them slowly rearm.
        1. matross
          matross 1 February 2016 19: 56
          31
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          With any serious mess in Europe

          And to divide Ukraine? And to return the Baltic states to the stall? A greyhound Poles on the hill? For them, the nuclear powers will not fit, it is their only dream. The tank fist has not yet outlived itself ...
          1. VeterS
            VeterS 1 February 2016 20: 04
            43
            Tanks, this is serious business! It's too early to write them off! Divide Ukraine ...? Hmm ..., is it necessary? Take your own, let the rest give loans and eat turnips. Why do we need Balts !? Fuck the Balts! Ugh, ugh, ugh, they are for us! If you take the territory, then only completely cleaned of the Chukhonts and other non-Russians! But the Poles in the snout is a HOLY! This is YES!
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 18
              0
              A bit wrong. Ukraine to return to their homeland. Let them give loans to specific individuals. A list of those is available. Arrest everyone on the list. To the West to declare that all who are not personally implicated in blood can be extradited to their creditors to collect debt.
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 20: 08
            +1
            Quote: matRoss
            And to divide Ukraine?

            There’s enough cash for this. In abundance.
            Quote: matRoss
            And to return the Baltic states to the stall?

            What for? What strategic importance does the Baltic states have? Land corridor to Kaliningrad, perhaps ..
            Quote: matRoss
            A greyhound Poles on the hill?

            Again, what's the point? Well, pshek greyhounds and what? They have been boring for half a thousand years .. Is it only to return Bialystok to Belarusians
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 1 February 2016 20: 52
              15
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              What for? What strategic importance does the Baltic states have? Land corridor to Kaliningrad, perhaps ..

              ... remind the card? ... how much is from Ventspils to Gotland? .. 150 km. ... and yet, this ports! .. there was not even when in the world white until 1919, Latvia and Estonia, the "English project of the states of gaskets" ... repeat history .. why did Peter suddenly cut the window to Europe .. hi
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Again, what's the point? Well, pshek greyhounds and what? They have been boring for half a thousand years .. Is it only to return Bialystok to Belarusians

              ... Poland was not from 1795 to 1919 .. they have been greyhounding for the last 20 years and it is time to return everything to normal! ... Bialystok Territory, Vilnius Territory, Marijampole County ... to Russia ... what does Belarus have to do with it ?! .. The western part of East Prussia to Russia ... Nemchur, if it behaves well let them take their Pomerania and Silesia .. Poland to the borders of the Principality of Warsaw and land! ... and let them rejoice that they left Krakow and Poznan ... hi
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 21: 33
                -4
                Quote: Inok10
                ... remind the card? .

                A lot of text, dear Alexey. One thing I will say - we are all incredibly lucky that you are not the one who develops and implements foreign policy and military strategy in the Russian state. hi
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 1 February 2016 22: 08
                  14
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  A lot of text, dear Alexey.

                  ... it's not the same for everybody ... hi
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  One thing I will say - we are all incredibly lucky that you are not the one who develops and implements foreign policy and military strategy in the Russian state.

                  ... I'll leave it as your opinion ... mine is based on history ... it's not for nothing that I.V. Stalin, following the results of the Great Patriotic War, practically brought the USSR into the borders of the Russian Empire, not counting Finland and Poland, not forgetting Japan 1905 - Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and even Port Arthur .. pragmatically adding the "Most Holy" of East Prussia -Koenigsberg and the northern part of East Prussia, where I now live and have no desire to change my place of residence, as well as the citizenship of the Russian Federation ... hi
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 22: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Inok10
                    -Kenigsberg and the Northern part of East Prussia, where I now live and have no desire to change my place of residence, as well as the citizenship of the Russian Federation ...

                    I am very happy for you, you live in a wonderful region - my wife has relatives there, in Chernyakhovsk. But this is not about the Kaliningrad region, right? Joseph Vissarionovich really did everything to return the lost territories of the Russian Empire to the USSR and annex new ones. But today's Russia is not the Stalinist Soviet Union, unfortunately. Strength is much less, and today we have allies - one-two and miscalculated.
                    But dreaming is not harmful - it is harmful not to dream. Maybe when it comes true .. hi
                    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                      Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 February 2016 23: 07
                      +3
                      Historians will prove that the territory east of the Elbe is the birthplace of the Rus, and true Poland is located in the northeast of Krasnoyarsk or Yakutsk. And then they will have to decide who they are - true Poles or secret descendants of the Rus, speaking in distorted native Russian. laughing
                    2. Inok10
                      Inok10 1 February 2016 23: 19
                      +7
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      I am very happy for you, you live in a wonderful region - my wife has relatives there, in Chernyakhovsk.

                      ... already warmer .. drinks
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      But this is not about the Kaliningrad region, right? Joseph Vissarionovich really did everything to return the lost territories of the Russian Empire to the USSR and annex new ones. But today's Russia is not the Stalinist Soviet Union, unfortunately. Strength is much less, and today we have allies - one-two and miscalculated.

                      ... ah, here we have a problem again ... but what kind of Allies did the USSR have in 1945? ... those who opened the Second Front in June 1944, when the fate of Nazi Germany was already decided ?! and who immediately after the Potsdam surrender of Germany began to make plans to destroy the USSR with nuclear bombs (usa and england)? ... who wiped out the civilian population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki from the face of the earth? .. although it already did not matter to Japan! .. Good Allies ..laughing ... the USSR and then had no Allies, except Tuva and Mongolia .. well, there were enough forces! .. and now there is enough strength! .. The visionary was Alexander III, in that Russia has no Allies except the Army and Navy .. now it’s also the Strategic Missile Forces ... hi ... it is not for nothing that nowadays the GDP defines the current ones .. as "communication partners" .. precisely for communication ... but not for business ... hi .. and the current world situation is real confirmation of this .. hi ... I have the honor! ..
                      1. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 23: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Inok10
                        and, here we have a problem again ... and, what kind of Allies did the USSR have in 1945? ... those who opened the Second Front in June 1944, when the fate of Nazi Germany was already decided ?!

                        Well, let's say, not quite so - the Americans tied the Japanese in Asia, the Britons in Africa tried to portray something. Yes, and in the Old World, cool or not, but they helped, albeit guided by their interests. It would be difficult for us to free all of Europe alone. There would be more victims.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        who immediately after the Potsdam surrender of Germany began to make plans to destroy the USSR with nuclear bombs (usa and england)? .

                        The imperialists, what. K.Ozly, in a word
                        Quote: Inok10
                        Allies are good .. ... the USSR did not have Allies then, except for Tyva and Mongolia

                        I, vanemta, by "allies" meant the Warsaw Pact. Remember this organization? Not that it might be militarily powerful, but the borders of the ATS participating countries divided Europe in half. It would be much easier, in which case, a military expansion to Western Europe to carry out.
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 2 February 2016 00: 28
                        +6
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Well, let's say, not quite like that - the Americans tied the Japanese in Asia,

                        ... this is for the story of the Soviet intelligence officer Richard Sorge, a deep bow from him at my feet ... Japan was not going to enter the war with the USSR ... hi ... which allowed the use of Bet reserves .. hi
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        the Britons in Africa tried to portray something.

                        ... Romel’s case ?! ..funny .. he did go to the Eastern Front ... laughing
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Yes, and in the Old World, cool or not, but they helped, albeit guided by their interests. It would be difficult for us to free all of Europe alone. There would be more victims.

                        ... hmm, but the fact that all the most combat-ready units of the Wehrmacht were sent to the Eastern Front ?! .. while the Anglo-Saxons were "Rescuing Private Rain", the Soviet Soldier was breaking the back of fascism .. soldier ... Krakow, Warsaw, Budapest ... hi
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        I, vanemta, by "allies" meant the Warsaw Pact. Remember this organization? Not that it might be militarily powerful, but the borders of the ATS participating countries divided Europe in half. It would be much easier, in which case, a military expansion to Western Europe to carry out.

                        ... why not remember ... I have a baby photo on the steps of the Dresden Art Gallery .. laughing (attached) ... the conversation actually started with the title of the article, the revival of the 1st tank army? .. is not it so ? .. and you doubted the appropriateness of this decision and the possible consequences and consequences? .. I propose to stay on this! .. Time will judge! .. laughing
          3. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 19
            +1
            The Baltic states have strategic importance in the form of a western bridgehead. If the bridgehead is thrown into the sea, then we are calmer and they are more offended.
      3. alone
        alone 1 February 2016 20: 02
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Guys, what are you doing? The era of tank wedges and epic battles near Prokhorovka is a thing of the past.


        Many people think otherwise. Moreover, they completely exclude the use of nuclear weapons, and they are sure that, even if it is used, they will remain alive.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 20: 44
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          Many people think otherwise

          Yeah. So I understand that my comments on the current irrelevance of tank wedges, tankers wink Comrades tankers and tank fans! I respect you all very much! I’ve even played WoT somehow, here’s one! laughing
          Quote: lonely
          Moreover, the use of nuclear weapons is completely ruled out

          Optimists what
          Quote: lonely
          and they are also sure that, even if it is applied, they will remain alive.

          Immortal optimists however
          1. alone
            alone 1 February 2016 20: 53
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Immortal optimists however


            Koshchei is immortal. laughing
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 February 2016 23: 12
              +6
              "Frankly, rings, magic - it's all like that, scaring children. We are far behind life, buddy. In fact, tank wedges and carpet bombing are in charge in the world, and tactical nuclear weapons, of course," Sarumyan.
            2. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 5 February 2016 10: 45
              0
              Koshchei is immortal. laughing
              but we can traditionally find death to Koshcheev - a gypsy needle in an egg. True, for this you will have to stick it there first ... But this is already particular.laughing
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 1 February 2016 23: 07
            +6
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Immortal optimists however

            You are not right. In the event of a war imposed by Ukraine or Turkey, Russia will not deliver nuclear strikes unless NATO, the USA and Japan start fighting for these countries. Again, some of the NATO countries are so far from Russia that they simply will not be able to quickly move their armies or simply refuse to fight. I am more than sure that no nuclear strikes will be carried out on the territories of these countries.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 23: 58
              -2
              Quote: Алексей_К
              In case of war imposed by Ukraine or Turkey

              I pointed out that for local military conflicts, the available forces and means are quite enough. We have more than 15 thousand tanks - this is quite enough for admonishing the states you named. Which does not negate the need for modernization and rearmament of tank troops.
              Quote: Алексей_К
              if NATO, the USA and Japan do not start fighting for these countries

              And if they start? Then we return to the version of the nuclear fox.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 25
                +1
                I propose for the tank army an unofficial chevron: an image of such a good, well-fed polar fox. All Russians will understand for sure. Well, the enemy ... will be transferred. Particularly dull even demonstrate.
          3. guzik007
            guzik007 2 February 2016 12: 25
            +2
            Immortal optimists however
            ----------------------------
            Definitely set off! Even there are a lot of chapaevs now divorced. And then we will take away the other, whoever it was. We would have to save our own, and at this time, quietly, then we straighten the border along the Amur, then we give the Norwegians the richest fishery together in a piece of sea. and dream of revenge in the vastness of VO: =)
  2. Tor5
    Tor5 1 February 2016 19: 28
    +4
    That's right! One guide - one fist. Still rearm ...
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  4. starshina78
    starshina78 1 February 2016 19: 43
    +6
    But I agree - something smacks of war. No wonder the Turks became alarmed. With them, everything can begin. NATO will not be drawn in at first. Who will watch who, and then it can fit. In short, the situation is not the best.
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 1 February 2016 19: 50
    -6
    Quote: Sith Lord
    At least have time to rearm.

    Saiga? Or did you find the grandfather's "maxim" in the garden and dug it out?
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 1 February 2016 20: 54
      10
      Quote: RUSS
      Saiga? Or did you find the grandfather's "maxim" in the garden and dug it out?

      I’m digging up such fragments for now.
      1. polkovnik manuch
        polkovnik manuch 3 February 2016 09: 00
        +1
        Why dig, I, like the one in the figure, was small, pulled out of my leg with pliers.
  6. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 1 February 2016 19: 56
    +2
    Off topic. In 2016, the creation of prototypes of the new S-500 anti-aircraft missile system will be completed and their preliminary tests will begin. The system should go to state testing by 2020, Viktor Murakhovsky, a member of the expert council of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, said on air of RSN.
    1. jjj
      jjj 1 February 2016 20: 29
      +1
      That CFE rests in the Bose
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 2 February 2016 00: 33
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        That CFE rests in the Bose

        ... already as from the first half of 2015 .. hi
  7. Sailor
    Sailor 1 February 2016 20: 39
    +1
    And where, then, is T-90, T-90A, because there are 500 units of them ???
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 1 February 2016 23: 10
      +2
      Quote: Sailor
      And where, then, is T-90, T-90A, because there are 500 units of them ???

      What are 500 tanks? This is not even enough for one tank division. This is very small.
      1. polkovnik manuch
        polkovnik manuch 3 February 2016 09: 01
        -1
        Absolutely right !
  8. 13 warrior
    13 warrior 1 February 2016 22: 03
    +4
    We can’t re-arm ourselves in time, as always. But a start has been made that cannot but rejoice.

    But the question is rhetorical, but was it worth disbanding, once again we are forming. As in 39-40, damn it.
  9. sergeant1986
    sergeant1986 1 February 2016 22: 49
    0
    So one must not stop. To bring to 6, as in 1944. And a bunch of separate tank corps. In general, the news is good. Traditions are good! And the name is glorious.
  10. ksv1973
    ksv1973 1 February 2016 23: 33
    +3
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    And the war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.

    I agree. Really stinks - no rest. But this smell does not reach everyone ...
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 2 February 2016 06: 11
      +1
      There was an article shuvalav bought an apartment somewhere in England. It all stinks differently.
  11. skazochnik
    skazochnik 2 February 2016 00: 35
    -3
    Quote: Sith Lord
    . At least have time to rearm.


    Well, this is unlikely to be exactly like 41m, but the final most likely will not be like 45m.
  12. pesny2006
    pesny2006 2 February 2016 13: 26
    +2
    Right you said. To have time to prepare young officers and our boys.
  13. Avantageur
    Avantageur 2 February 2016 18: 35
    0
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    In November they wrote about her, it will go to Almaty in 2017.

    It all started with a tank biathlon, that's what it means to play the right games!


  14. Kunar
    Kunar 2 February 2016 18: 38
    +1
    Cropped? Although no. The question is not correct. From the times of the USSR. There were not enough personnel in the cropped personnel. There was enough equipment for the NZ.
  15. bald
    bald 3 February 2016 12: 15
    +1
    It smells of war for those who know nothing more.
    And how to steal on the roar of guns! ..
    Yeltsin - the center for a reason is open.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 1 February 2016 19: 16
    -1
    And send it through Georgia to Armenia to the Turkish border ...
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 1 February 2016 19: 18
      -2
      You are right the road is that one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GM XHAAA ...........
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 1 February 2016 19: 19
        -1
        The strategy is this. We can even move the district ...
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 1 February 2016 19: 17
    +2
    And so that the honey of the first and second did not have a big break
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 1 February 2016 19: 19
    +3
    Last year it was reported.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 1 February 2016 19: 38
      +2
      Quote: Deniska999
      Last year it was reported.

      Last year created a headquarters.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 19: 19
    0
    Yeah !!!!! every such news invigorates and makes us happy, we get rid of the Serdyukovites not by the night he was remembered!
    1. smith7
      smith7 1 February 2016 19: 25
      +5
      Serdyukovism is not the greatest evil. Worse, the "electorate" thinks that Russia is not fighting now (or is fighting somewhere far away). This delusion is very discouraging and leads to an incorrect alignment of forces and means. War is on the doorstep. Get to work!
  • sever.56
    sever.56 1 February 2016 19: 23
    10
    I propose to give her the name M.E. Katukov, Marshal of Armored Panzer Troops, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, commander of the 1st Guards Tank Army from January 1943 to April 1944. good drinks
    1. _my opinion
      _my opinion 2 February 2016 15: 21
      -1
      Quote: sever.56
      I propose to give her the name M.E. Katukov, Marshal of Armored Panzer Troops, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, commander of the 1st Guards Tank Army from January 1943 to April 1944. good drinks

      I for ... recently read "On the edge of the main blow" by ME Katukov. , I recommend reading.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 1 February 2016 19: 24
    -3
    Well, comrades? We sit back and get ready to hear the screech of the entire LGBT community. My opinion is that the 1st Guards Tank is not far from the English Channel.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 1 February 2016 19: 29
      12
      Yes, she already had a headquarters in Dresden .. On the Kurt-Fischer Alley ... In 1991 they brought ... soldier hi
      1. russmensch
        russmensch 1 February 2016 19: 33
        10
        I served in it, in the 9th division. Seen to recreate in order to return it to Germany again? It’s a pity that they won’t take them by age, otherwise he would return to service for the sake of such a thing.
        1. wow
          wow 1 February 2016 19: 39
          +1
          Or maybe they will. At least I hope so!
        2. wandlitz
          wandlitz 1 February 2016 20: 29
          +2
          I agree with you. I would come back too. Minesweeper 302 SME, 9TD, Zethain.
      2. H - ck 61
        H - ck 61 1 February 2016 21: 25
        +2
        Glorious were the times !!!
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 29
        -2
        Shaw! Do you propose to restore it immediately there? At the previous address of registration.
        soldier smile
  • Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 1 February 2016 19: 29
    0
    TA-thing is good i.e. very killer! 2 weeks in Berlin! (God forbid)
  • Signaller
    Signaller 1 February 2016 19: 30
    +1
    Good.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 1 February 2016 19: 30
    +7
    Well, it’s like a holiday every day! Or, our leadership knows something that we don’t know, and at the pace is preparing for a complete asshole ..
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 1 February 2016 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      our leadership knows something that we don’t know and is preparing for the complete ass at a pace ..

      He knows! yes I say this as a "doctor"! And the troops in RUSSIA are simply obliged to be ready for everything! And then ... oh damn repeat... A KID is complete first!
  • viktor561
    viktor561 1 February 2016 19: 34
    +1
    It is high time! Damn I will kill Medvedev, he reduced the armored forces to a minimum - Dima Ai von - Vali to St. Petersburg - Thank God that there is Shoigu !!!
    1. alone
      alone 1 February 2016 21: 26
      +2
      Quote: viktor561
      It is high time! Damn I will kill Medvedev, he reduced the armored forces to a minimum - Dima Ai von - Vali to St. Petersburg - Thank God that there is Shoigu !!!


      And what is Shoigu here? He is a minister, they order him, he is doing it! VGK is not Shoigu.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 2 February 2016 10: 31
      +1
      He doesn’t need Peter. And on socially useful work. And preferably for life.
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 1 February 2016 19: 38
    -1
    To Berlin .., to Madrid .. !!!
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 2 February 2016 06: 17
      -1
      I wonder where migrants will rush in this situation? It seems to me that we still need to create a fleet of floating docks for transporting them across the Atlantic to the homeland of the Indians.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 1 February 2016 19: 39
    +2
    In response to the reconstruction of the 1st tank army, Ukrainians should thoroughly strengthen their great wall. smile
  • rov81
    rov81 1 February 2016 19: 39
    -1
    Major General commands the army, however ..... Something was greedy with the rank of general or maybe in the future !? All the same, the army is not a division !!!
  • bochman
    bochman 1 February 2016 19: 43
    -1
    And on the Bay of Biscay they finished their campaign ....
  • Myr Myr
    Myr Myr 1 February 2016 19: 55
    -1
    It has long been recreated, and announced just now.
  • erased
    erased 1 February 2016 19: 56
    0
    In the old states, two more tank divisions are needed, plus units of army submission. Or at least two more tank brigades and one infantry. But this is a minimum.
    The complete set of two types of tanks T-72 and T-80 is incorrect. It is better to have one type, easier to operate and maintain. Changing cars is easier than plowing with two.
    Judging by the possible theater of operations, the army should be reinforced with missile units. Points, and better Iskander. And have reserves of armored vehicles, as well as crews.

    By the way, I wonder if the Russian army will rename motorized rifles back to infantry? In fact, it's high time. Even our companies are by no means just rifle companies. And of course, all parts and connections have long been moto.
    1. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 3 February 2016 09: 09
      0
      That's right, but don't forget that there are not enough recruits! And the conscription service, thanks to the "Duma members" who did not serve, lasts only one year. The contractors need about 60%, and where to get the money for their maintenance. Starting to carry out the military reform, they forgot about the "liberals" and "effective managers", and now we are constantly stepping on a rake.
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 1 February 2016 19: 57
    +4
    A tank army is more than serious! If such a military association is created in relatively peacetime, then the threat to the security of the state has increased significantly and there is a need to cool excessively hot heads.
  • Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 1 February 2016 19: 59
    19
    Quote: Primus Pilus
    In response to the reconstruction of the 1st tank army, Ukrainians should thoroughly strengthen their great wall. smile

    Everything is bad with the "European shaft"
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 1 February 2016 20: 01
    +1
    Such an ax can cut Europe down to the Atlantic.
    1. vch62388
      vch62388 1 February 2016 20: 35
      +4
      One TA - little to the Atlantic. The GSVG has 5 armies, 20 divisions, of which 12 are armored. That was the power! It is clear that now this RF will not pull.
      So it’s not for a trip to the English Channel, but rather for our western neighbors and like a mobile fist, so as not to yap too much.
      1. theodore rasp
        theodore rasp 1 February 2016 21: 45
        +2
        So after all, and NATA is now not the same. Everyone strives to frighten in the skirts of migrants, but Hammers on their hands from the sand to rescue.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 February 2016 05: 26
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Such an ax can cut Europe down to the Atlantic.

      Well, why chop, combine from the Pacific to the Atlantic Ocean. And to build a strategic high-speed railway, say from Paris to Vladik with the necessary branches and organize tourist routes in comfortable compartments, with stops, with excursions in interesting places. I personally would love to ride, impressions would be enough for the rest of my life.
      And tanks, well, tanks, would be guarded.
      But in fact, it is necessary to seriously create a united Eurasian economic community without any political husks, and to show the states big and thick, let the states of North and South America unite. And it will be right, not to hell running around the world with trunks and knives, posing as a steep, but all dissatisfied with Greenland for permanent residence.
  • moskowit
    moskowit 1 February 2016 20: 11
    +2
    "Thundering fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel,
    The cars will go on a furious campaign! "(From the famous song from the movie" Tractor Drivers ")
  • eskela
    eskela 1 February 2016 20: 15
    -1
    the news is very good, but the T-72B3 and BMP-2 are somehow not the same, at least the T-90MS and BMP-4. As soon as Armata got there.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 February 2016 23: 19
      +3
      But what about the secret apparatus - BMP-4? And why fit there? It hurts!
  • Zubr
    Zubr 1 February 2016 20: 20
    +4
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Back in November they wrote about her, it will go to Almaty in 2017 year. And the war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.


    Well, judging because the British at the last exercises practiced the probability of a thermonuclear strike on us. And the construction of all military facilities is actively funded. One such I fly away the other day, we have very little time left. It may not reach full-scale hostilities, but armed conflict does not rule out. And I think Turkey will start it all the same.
  • Jan2016
    Jan2016 1 February 2016 20: 30
    +2
    I remember in Soviet times, the tank army was not alone ... One will probably not be enough to get to the English Channel. And if this is really so it means that this is only the first swallow. ;)
    1. albert
      albert 1 February 2016 21: 47
      +3
      The Union had six tank armies.
  • prawdawsegda
    prawdawsegda 1 February 2016 20: 30
    -2
    Lord comrades !!! You have to beat your American friends and overseas. A tank army is good for convincing European accomplices!
  • RPK-74
    RPK-74 1 February 2016 20: 32
    +1
    And when will the 2nd Tank Army be restored ?! I served in 400 SMEs 207 of the Pomeranian Division near Magdeburg. Once in those places, our grandfathers and fathers met with our “sworn allies” - 9 by the American army fellow belay smile
  • VP
    VP 1 February 2016 20: 37
    +1
    A tank army is a strike force designed to break through defensive lines to great depths.
    If the Katukovites are deployed somewhere in Pskov, then enuresis will be not only among the Chukhons but also among the Psheks.
  • RPK-74
    RPK-74 1 February 2016 20: 38
    0
    Yes, and served in the infantry! Although motorized rifles were called, they basically moved in five and carried everything on themselves (ammunition, tents, etc., etc.) what soldier
  • Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 1 February 2016 20: 50
    +5
    It's time to revive the Stalinist movement: "All for tanks" and "All for planes!"
    We will amuse Europe and distract the youth from killer "gadgets" ..
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 February 2016 23: 23
      0
      Uh All have long been on tanks and planes, hung with medals of Kolobanov and Leiweislaicho. crying
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 2 February 2016 01: 23
        -1
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uh All have long been on tanks and planes, hung with medals of Kolobanov and Leiweislaicho. crying

        Sarcasm is understandable, but not appropriate.
        For there are already real tankers, pilots and sailors who have become HEROES OF OUR TIME.
  • Cfif2303
    Cfif2303 1 February 2016 20: 52
    +1
    Eh ... still it would be quick to test it .... somewhere in .... in the exercises ... And that really smells like ... it ...
    1. RPK-74
      RPK-74 1 February 2016 21: 08
      +4
      And who to test ?! My nephew in the airborne service served in Ivanovo in 2014-2015. My question is, “How many times has he been in the exercises?”, He answered - “Not once.” ,, Only contract soldiers were taken to the teachings !, But they were not taken because God forbid anything with them belay crying Here are the modern conscripts! Some kind of kindergarten! recourse
      1. RPK-74
        RPK-74 1 February 2016 21: 18
        +5
        Moderator, what's up? Promoted, but some kind of flag is not that ?! recourse I come from the USSR and live in Russia, in Siberia !!! I did not betray my homeland! stop soldier
        1. H - ck 61
          H - ck 61 1 February 2016 21: 31
          +5
          You will be looking at the Romanians))))
          1. RPK-74
            RPK-74 1 February 2016 21: 58
            +2
            I don’t agree with Romanians! Better with the Germans! There is experience. 2 years in the GSVG. And the Germans asked them to look after and protect! (,, We are not hoping for our army, RUSSIAN SOLDIERS will protect us ,,!) laughing
            1. Baikal
              Baikal 1 February 2016 22: 56
              0
              Keep foreman, dear hi soldier
            2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 February 2016 23: 25
              0
              And I don’t like Kirkorov, he’s a sweet one. One word is Romanian. laughing
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 February 2016 21: 14
    +2
    Yes guys. Someone in the forest, some for firewood.
    Tank Army through Georgia, Armenia to Turkey. You look like 1945. remembered the breakthrough through Big Khingan. It’s ridiculous. This is still the Caucasus. Yes, and with Turkey did not have time, with her it is necessary differently.
    An army is being created in ZapVO, to cool NATO. Americans brought Abrams from the Baltic, heavy, ours are not much easier. Now there is probably enough MPBR. The foothills are needed, as in 1941. Baltic States, Ukraine, Moldova. There and floundering. Do not go to Europe. Warn about the good proactive strike of nuclear weapons. No matter how much the Americans push, Europe does not want to fight.
    We need strikes on the Amer bases in Europe, so as not to provoke.
    TA will do for Ukraine. Pick their VPK, what's left. After we figure out what's what.
    1. 222222
      222222 1 February 2016 23: 52
      -2
      Mavrikiy RU Today, 21:14
      Yes guys. Some in the forest, some for firewood. "
      ..TA shock force .. just ahead .. laughing
      ..TA ... probably returned to the operational maneuver group of the front .. The NATO members had huge problems .. laughing
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 1 February 2016 21: 51
    -1
    This is the way it should be, since it’s not quite calm on our southern borders. The West is arming Ukraine even though they swear that they don’t
  • DMM2006
    DMM2006 1 February 2016 22: 57
    +3
    Quote: Sith Lord
    And the war stinks like that. At least have time to rearm.

    I agree with you. Something completely squeezed us from all sides. The guys in the Strategic Missile Forces have been sitting in readiness "1" for a year and a half. No days off and holidays and both keys are in the mine. They are happy that readiness "0" was canceled, in which they sat for the first six months in the 14th.
    Of course, I don’t want much war, but I'm afraid our pi.dostan partners will not leave us any choice. After all, they now have a simple choice either to merge the buck as the only reserve currency and become just one of the countries (albeit with the largest economic and production potential), or to fight. And not in a regional war, but in a full-fledged world war that will write everything off (all 17 trillion dollars of debt. And there are only two candidates for enemies, either we, because we have a lot of free resources, or the Chinese, who have resources (although much less), and cheap labor force, and production capacity.
    So, the situation now, when you need to hope for the best, and AKM regularly lubricate and stock up cartridges.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 2 February 2016 01: 25
      +1
      Quote: DMM2006
      So, the situation now, when you need to hope for the best, and AKM regularly lubricate and stock up cartridges.

      The main thing is the youth to cook, cook and cook ...
      To survive and win!
  • Radogiz
    Radogiz 1 February 2016 23: 07
    +2
    He served in it 90-92. Rad that restored.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 February 2016 05: 40
    -1
    Here, the army began to rebuild.
    Now we’ll revive the okrugs and fortified districts and very close to the war.
    And you can fight without nuclear weapons, but not for long.
    And again, the use of nuclear weapons does not cancel subsequent post-treatment with conventional weapons.
    After all, there will be a bunch of countries and bases that will climb on us.
    Well, or if absolutely out of the ordinary, the collapse of the EU and the attack on us.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 2 February 2016 05: 52
    0
    yeah, war has thoroughly stained war ..
  • astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 2 February 2016 06: 18
    0
    The news is good. But ... Rumbles from side to side very much strain the thinking apparatus. They disbanded, then recreated practically the same thing. Was it not time to think as usual? And everything is presented as a reform!
  • nnz226
    nnz226 2 February 2016 11: 57
    -1
    And they will give the banner of the reconstituted army, what happened to the honored orders, or a new model, then where is the continuity?
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 2 February 2016 11: 59
    +1
    In my opinion, everything is clear without words! We must promptly react to the constant meanness of our "sworn friends" ... Parabellum, in other words ... soldier
  • andrew42
    andrew42 2 February 2016 12: 10
    +3
    Just a timely reorganization for the Western theater. Good news. For mushroom and piglets - that’s it.
  • fodder
    fodder 2 February 2016 15: 50
    -1
    It seems to me that war is already inevitable; I look at the diplomatic front and everything becomes clear. the bridges are towed without looking around, which means they will not talk anymore. From that and the news is very good!
  • boris117
    boris117 2 February 2016 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: Алексей_К
    In peacetime in the USSR there were no such compounds

    I served in the second tank army in Owl Group. Troops in Germany in 1972 So there were such compounds.
  • boris117
    boris117 2 February 2016 17: 08
    0
    Tank armies in Russia stood on the western frontiers. This news, I think, will quickly sober up some heads.
  • Meshik
    Meshik 2 February 2016 18: 52
    0
    In the GSVG, even the 3rd combined-arms army did not have a single motorized rifle division.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 3 February 2016 04: 18
    0
    I rejoice from the bottom of my heart. To this, I wish our military machine operators to remember the commandment of the Russian naval sailor Stepan Osipovich Makarov: "Remember the war."
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 3 February 2016 09: 21
    0
    It is nice to hear such news, but it is also alarming, the adversaries have no interest, are there really sober heads? Maybe they think that the third world will not be the last? But for skeptics, I’ll say that the tank army is not created to boast, it means that the time has come and to cool the hot heads of the wildly obsessed, you can only demonstrate strong fists.
  • Petersburger
    Petersburger 3 February 2016 11: 46
    0
    A good solution to rising threats from the west. In his youth, he saw their training near Selyatino on the Alabinsk politon.
  • South Ural
    South Ural 3 February 2016 14: 58
    0
    We would still have to return divisions instead of brigades. The division corresponds to the defensive doctrine, because when it is deployed, the front section is closed, and the brigade is offensive. This is a fist for a strike; in defense, a brigade is many times worse than a division.
  • LPD17
    LPD17 3 February 2016 15: 43
    0
    Gentlemen, but historically
    1TA- Katukovskaya ....... would be very strong. Mtsensk-Moscow-Rzhev-Kursk-Kiev-Sandomierz-BERLIN
    would return the name of Katukov
  • galakt
    galakt 3 February 2016 16: 42
    0
    A good deal has begun.