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The Independent: Russian “rusty old stuff” has become a high-tech shock for the West and Israel

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The current operation of the Russian armed forces in Syria has a number of key features. First and foremost, the opportunity to test troops in a real local conflict. The personnel of the aerospace forces and the naval fleet got the opportunity to apply his skills not only in the framework of exercises, but also during the present war. In addition, the military is actively using the latest weapons and equipment. The second feature of the operation is the military-political consequences. Foreign countries got the opportunity to monitor the Russian armed forces and draw conclusions about their potential. The results of the operation achieved so far already look extremely interesting or even shocking for foreign specialists.


30 January, The Independent’s British publication published an article entitled “War in Syria: Russia's military cket cket rbs military reconnaissance and shock to the West and Israel’ ”(“ War in Syria: Russian “rusty old stuff” was a high-tech shock for the West and Israel ”) by Kim Sengupta. The author of this publication summed up the preliminary results of recent events in the Middle East. To this end, he reviewed the views that existed until recently and recent events, and also tried to draw some conclusions about the prospects for the international situation.

At the beginning of his article, K. Sengupta recalls what opinions have been circulating in recent years. It was believed that the armed forces of Russia have outdated material part and strategy. Bombs and missiles were "more stupid than clever," and the fleet was "more rusty than ready." For several decades, similar opinions were shared by many Western military leaders. They treated their Russian colleagues with undisguised condescension. Nevertheless, what they saw in Syria and in Ukraine was a real shock.



At present, the Russian armed forces are demonstrating a high intensity of combat work. Thus, in the course of the Syrian operation, the VCS performs more sorties in a day than a coalition led by the United States in an entire month. The Russian Navy attacked targets in Syria from a distance of about 900 miles. Finally, it should be remembered about the logistics system responsible for the supply groups in Syria. K. Sengupta also notes the high potential of the Russian air defense system. The systems deployed in Syria and in Eastern Ukraine make it impossible to attack the troops of Bashar al-Assad and the Ukrainian separatists.

Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, who holds the post of commander of the United States troops in Europe, has already noted Russia's achievements in the field of electronic warfare. Although it was previously believed that Russia was lagging behind in these directions, recent events have shown that Russian troops have excellent systems.

The deployment of air defense systems continues. According to Lieutenant General Frank Gorenko, chief of operations of the US Air Force in Europe, Russia is now deploying anti-aircraft weapons in the Crimea, taken from Ukraine in 2014, as well as in the Kaliningrad region, “squeezed” between Lithuania and Poland. Such actions of official Moscow, according to the general, pose serious difficulties for aviation NATO. There are safety problems when flying in various areas, including in several regions of Poland.

The author of The Independent notes that not only Western countries are concerned about Russia's actions. In particular, the recent events in Syria make the Israeli leadership nervous. Russian weapons and equipment appear at the northern borders of Israel, which is why the leadership of this country can only guess what the current situation may lead to. Israel’s greatest concern is that the most advanced Russian-made weapons could get into Iran, which is considered to be Jerusalem’s main danger. In addition, modern systems can go to other Arab states, whose relations with Israel are also far from ideal. All such processes can lead to the fact that Israeli aircraft can no longer count on unconditional air superiority - the main advantage over the armed forces of unfriendly neighboring countries.

The new military power, in the opinion of the British journalist, is at the heart of the recent strategic victories of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Russia's intervention in the Syrian war has led to a significant change in the situation, and its further development seriously depends on V. Putin’s plans. The Ukrainian conflict was partially frozen, and on the terms of the Russian president. In addition, Russia clearly shows its plans for rapprochement with the Kurds and does not pay attention to the wrathful reaction of Turkey. Finally, and more importantly, Russia is returning to Egypt. The latest agreements of the two countries imply cooperation of such a scale as the 44 of the year has not been since the days of President Anwar Sadat.

Describing the situation, K. Sengupta cites the opinion of an Israeli military intelligence analyst who had previously spoken to journalists from The Independent. This specialist argues that now any party wanting to do something in the Middle East will first have to talk with Moscow.

The author of The Independent notes that V. Putin is not without pleasure talking about the new military capabilities with which he was able to come to the current situation. According to the Russian president, the West was able to make sure that modern weapons really exist, and are also being operated by well-trained specialists. In addition, foreign countries were convinced that Russia is ready to apply this weapon in their own interests.

The author notes the high intensity of the combat work of aerospace forces. Russian aviation makes several dozen combat missions a day, right up to 96. The same number of sorties western coalition, led by the United States, performs for a month. Western military strategists are forced to recognize the striking differences in the work of the Russian and foreign air forces. In particular, during the operation in Kosovo and Libya, foreign aviation quickly “exhausted” and began to reduce the number of combat sorties.

One of the reasons for the insufficient intensity of the foreign coalition, in the opinion of K. Sengupta, are the features of the military-political situation in the Middle East. A number of states that are members of a coalition led by the United States prefer to strike not DAISH terrorists, but to carry out operations in Yemen, where there is a confrontation with local factions and Iran supporting them. Similarly, Turkey, which does not fight terrorists, but bomb Kurds, also works.

Over the past months, Western commanders and officials have repeatedly argued that Russian aviation strikes not only the targets of the Islamic State (a terrorist group banned in Russia), but also other formations. In addition, there is the lack of intelligibility of the Russian military in the search for targets, due to the lack of concern about civilian casualties and the presence of only unguided weapons.

The author recalls that Russia never promised to destroy only the objects of the Islamic State group. Moreover, it was repeatedly stated that all terrorists would be the target of the attacks. By agreement between Moscow and Damascus, the majority of the formations, called the moderate opposition, were ranked among the latter. The author also recalls the experience of the Chechen wars, which show that the Russian armed forces are not inclined to focus on "collateral damage." In addition, from the published data it was possible to conclude that at the early stage of the Syrian operation, most of the strikes were carried out with the use of unguided weapons, although this contradicts official statements.

At the present time, at the Hmeimim airbase, a grouping of aviation equipment, consisting of old and new aircraft, is based. According to The Independent, 34 aircraft is present at the airport in Latakia: 12 Su-25, 4 Su-30СМ, 12 Su-24М and 6 Su-34. In addition, the base contains helicopters and an unidentified number of unmanned aerial vehicles.

An increase in the intensity of the work of Su-34 bombers is gradually being made. According to K. Sengupta, this may be due to the characteristics of the available equipment and the characteristics of the situation. So, Su-25 attack aircraft - war veterans in Chechnya and Georgia - may be vulnerable to man-portable air defense systems. The latter, according to some sources, can be supplied by Turkey and Saudi Arabia to some of their loyal groups.

After the incident with the attack and the destruction of the Russian bomber Su-24M, which occurred in November last year, Russia transferred to Syria modern means of air defense. The main element of the enhanced air defense system was the C-400 "Triumph". This system greatly unnerves Israel, since, falling into the "wrong hands", can significantly change the balance of power in the region. The C-400 complex includes radar detection equipment and missile launchers. The complex is able to find and destroy targets at ranges up to 250 miles. Thus, the “Triumph” complex, deployed on the base of Hamim, not only monitors the Syrian airspace, but also “covers” half of Israel.

Another “sobering experience” for NATO, according to the author, was the deployment of radio-electronic systems in Ukraine. It is alleged that during the conflict in the Donbas a complex of electronic warfare "Krasukha-4" was deployed, which could interfere with the work of the enemy's radar, including long-range radar detection aircraft. The emergence and operation of such technology makes foreign commanders make far from optimistic statements. Thus, the deputy head of the cyber command of the US armed forces, Ronald Pontius, argues that the pace of development of American technology does not meet the requirements dictated by new threats.

Considering the situation and coming to negative conclusions, General F. Gorenck is forced to admit that Russia, in the course of developing its armed forces, does not violate any international agreements and has the full right to implement its plans. In Syria, Russian troops use bombers and cruise missiles, and their purpose is to demonstrate their ability to influence the situation in certain regions or even throughout the world.

After that, the author of The Independent makes the main conclusion. Russia is returning to the international arena as a full-fledged force capable of influencing the situation in different regions. In this regard, the West will have to make a choice and determine a strategy for its further actions. Western states should choose what to do next: start a new stage of confrontation with Russia or look for opportunities to come together and restore good relations?

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Using the events in Ukraine and Syria as an example, the author of the article “War in Syria: Rural Military Rulers' Military Delvers” reviews the latest achievements of Russia in the field of modernizing the armed forces and operating new weapons in real conflicts. Despite following the official position of some foreign countries (first of all, these are statements about the presence of Russian troops in the Donbass), The Independent's article is of some interest and reveals the existing situation.

The general conclusions of Kim Sengupta are in the title of the article. Recent events have shown that Russian weapons and equipment are not really “rusty junk.” On the contrary, the most modern models come into service, some of which, in their characteristics, are not only not inferior to foreign analogues, but also surpass them. Previously, when assessing the capabilities of new developments, it was possible to rely only on official reports and intelligence data, and now experts can familiarize themselves with the results of the actual use of new systems.

Having such new data, the author makes certain conclusions. The article ends with an assumption about the relationship of new weapons and the foreign policy potential of Russia. The renewal of the armed forces allows the country to influence different regions, if not the whole world. In this case, foreign states will have to take into account this force and a new major player in the international arena. According to the author, the West can take one of two ways: continue the confrontation with Russia or try to make friends with it again. How exactly the international situation will develop - time will tell. It is unlikely that foreign countries should take the path of further deterioration in relations.


An article entitled “War in Syria: Reliable Rustbucket” military delivers and hi-tech shock:
http://independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-in-syria-russia-s-rustbucket-military-delivers-a-hi-tech-shock-to-west-and-israel-a6842711.html
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 February 2016 06: 47
    12
    But what they saw in Ukraine is
    1. Maxsh
      Maxsh 2 February 2016 11: 46
      +8
      The author also recalls the experience of the Chechen wars, which show that the Russian armed forces are not inclined to focus on “collateral damage”

      Whose cow would moo, huh? The NATO people will not disdain to bang on their own, not to mention the accompanying ones ...
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 2 February 2016 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Maxsh
        Whose cow would moo, huh? The NATO people will not disdain and bang on their own, not to mention the accompanying.
        Tyk his who is in headquarters sits sad
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 2 February 2016 21: 45
          +2
          According to Lieutenant General Frank Gorenka, chief of operations of the US Air Force in Europe, Russia is now deploying anti-aircraft weapons in the Crimea, taken from Ukraine in 2014, as well as in the Kaliningrad region, “squeezed” between Lithuania and Poland. Such actions of official Moscow, according to the general, create serious difficulties for NATO aviation. There are safety issues when flying in different areas, including in several regions of Poland.


          Why didn't they sit still until Russia "deployed anti-aircraft weapons"?

          Themselves did not want to continue to live peacefully, now worry

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  2. lotar
    lotar 2 February 2016 06: 55
    +9
    The projection of force in a particular region is one of the necessary conditions in an information war. Nothing makes changing a line of behavior like a good blow under the breath of an adversary. In this case, ISIS represents a convenient target, and the adversary is the entire Western coalition led by USA. But this is only tactical superiority so far, it is necessary to achieve operational and strategic superiority by all possible and impossible methods, such as symmetric and asymmetric strikes, cognitive experiences in the western theater of military Corollary to the masses through the introduction of Western civilization appropriate settings, and more.
    1. Lepila
      Lepila 2 February 2016 10: 35
      -30 qualifying.
      Not really bothering me with the S-400 under our noses. And after arriving in a year, the F-35 will be even less disturbing.
      1. Chiropractor
        Chiropractor 2 February 2016 10: 50
        51
        You should not be bothered by the defensive S-400s in Syria, but by barmales on a pickup truck in Haifa ...
        1. Lepila
          Lepila 2 February 2016 11: 09
          +1
          Agree with you
          1. alexanderrzn
            alexanderrzn 2 February 2016 14: 32
            -2
            and you are not bothered by the fact that the author of an article on geopolitics does not know the capital of Israel about which he wrote so much?
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 2 February 2016 12: 41
          10
          Quote: Kostoprav
          You do not have to defend the S-400 in Syria, but barmaley on a pickup truck in Haifa.

          Apparently, the Jews are still more concerned about Russian planes and air defense systems than the Daesh (IS) and Al-Nusra terrorists in their cities, because they are apparently friends of Tel Aviv. And of course, Israel, worrying about the new defeats of its protégé bandits, began an unbridled propaganda campaign against our country as well as against all fighters against terrorism, in particular the valiant Hezbollah.
          General Amidror: Russia supplies Hezbollah with weapons to destroy Haifa and Ashdod
          Russia supplies the most modern weapons to Syria, and then, with its knowledge, these weapons are transported to Hezbollah.
          This was stated by Major General Jacob Amidror, who, until recently, served as head of the National Security Council of Israel and military adviser Benjamin Netanyahu.
          According to Amidror, it is, above all, about the Kornet and Yakhont missiles.
          http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2016/01/20/general-amidror--rph-snabzhaet-
          hizballu-oruzhiem-dlya-unichtozheniya-hayfi-i-ashdoda /
          Hezbollah learns from the Russian army how to fight Israel
          The Lebanese group has significantly strengthened its offensive capabilities as a result of joint actions with the Russians in Syria.
          This was written by the former commander of the IDF Galilee corps, Brigadier General Moni Katz. Katz notes that as a result of the extensive combat experience gained during the war in Syria, Hezbollah abandoned its previous defensive strategy in future conflicts with Israel, deciding to develop the offensive in the next war.
          The authors of the article also claim that the army of the Russian Federation and Hezbollah created two single operational centers - in Damascus and Latakia. At the same time, Shiite militants can observe in real time how Russian officers with experience in the war in Chechnya control battles in urban areas.
          http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2016/01/18/hizballa-uchitsya-u-rossiyskoy-
          armii - kak-voevat-s-izrailem /
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 2 February 2016 13: 01
            +2
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Apparently, Jews are still more concerned about Russian planes and air defense systems than terrorists Daesh (IS) and Al-Nusra in their cities

            Forgive me, but you contradict yourself - the speech in the messages you cited is not about aviation and air defense systems, but about portable ATGM and MANPADS complexes. And also about increasing the tactical training of "Hezbollah" You can't argue with that, in general. However, continuous clashes and without that "teach" all the parties to the conflict quite well.
            I also do not like Israel's habit of crawling into every dusty crevice of the surrounding states, but once it turns out to influence the environment, the flag is in their hands. And if they go too far and get it on the nose, then so be it. There will be a lesson where you can "influence"
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 2 February 2016 13: 27
              +1
              Quote: fennekRUS
              Forgive me, but you contradict yourself - the speech in the messages you cited is not about aviation and air defense systems, but about portable ATGM and MANPADS complexes. And also about increasing the tactical training of "Hezbollah" You can't argue with that, in general. However, continuous clashes and without that "teach" all the parties to the conflict quite well.

              And where are the words about MANPADS?
              And Hezbollah ATGMs are needed to counter the terrorists who are armed with armored vehicles and to repel the attacks of the Israeli invaders against Lebanon.
              The same thing about the training of Hezbollah’s army by our military is an absolutely necessary matter, but they should not be sent to battle without training and unarmed. It’s better to train before a fight than in a bullet fight.
              1. fennekRUS
                fennekRUS 2 February 2016 18: 19
                -3
                Quote: quilted jacket
                And where are the words about

                aircraft?
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Jews are still more concerned about Russian planes and air defense systems

                However quite offtopic. I am silent
        3. shans2
          shans2 2 February 2016 23: 29
          +1
          barmalei are their lured bandits for changing borders on the BV ...
      2. Your friend
        Your friend 2 February 2016 10: 56
        +8
        Quote: Lepila
        Not really bothering me with the S-400 under our noses. And after arriving in a year, the F-35 will be even less disturbing.

        I also do not particularly care that you are not particularly worried about the S-400 under your nose. And even less will bother me that you will be even less bothered after the arrival of the F-35.
        1. Old old
          Old old 4 February 2016 23: 50
          0
          And even less will bother me that you will be even less bothered after the arrival of the F-35.

          By the way, remember at the same time the much-hyped "wunderwaffe" from Star Wars, the super-dupper F-117. Where is it? Propaganda and reality are very different.
      3. Megatron
        Megatron 2 February 2016 14: 30
        0
        It seems like Israel and Russia are friendly neutrals.
        1. Lepila
          Lepila 2 February 2016 20: 13
          -5
          The way it is. We are the only country that has managed to remain in friendly relations with both Russia and Ukraine. And that is wonderful.
          1. Zefr
            Zefr 3 February 2016 00: 20
            +6
            Jews, it should be so. And quietly Russian drones, Ukrainians electronics.
      4. olegactor
        olegactor 2 February 2016 17: 16
        0
        nothing .. knock down a couple of pieces ... and will not bother ... everything is calm in baghdad
      5. Locksmith
        Locksmith 2 February 2016 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: Lepila
        And after arriving in a year, the F-35 will be even less disturbing.

        Do you hope it will really be made of pure gold for you? After all, everyone knows the fantastic viscosity of gold, which allows him not to be afraid of fragmentation warheads from any air defense systems. laughing
      6. Sergey Eremin
        Sergey Eremin 2 February 2016 21: 55
        +1
        Do not fly F-35, do not fly!
      7. Old old
        Old old 2 February 2016 23: 21
        +3
        Not really bothering me with the S-400 under our noses.

        The presence of defensive weapons in a neighboring country should not bother you (if you are not going to attack).

        And after arriving in a year F-35 will be even less disturbing

        When flying over Israel - I agree, but when flying to Syria - it will depend on the order and "how the card will fall."
  3. as150505
    as150505 2 February 2016 06: 58
    12
    If our troops were in the Donbass, the result for the APU would be disastrous. And miners, teachers hammer the APU. Only Ukraine does not want to admit it.
    1. Voice of the Mind
      Voice of the Mind 2 February 2016 09: 00
      -18 qualifying.
      The personnel of the aerospace forces and the navy got the opportunity to apply their skills not only in the framework of the exercises, but also during the present war.

      haha three times. Safari at public expense, with the bombing of the "Papuans" is not a "real war"
      Rather, we will apply the aphorism "If you are strong, appear weak, if weak - strong ..."
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 2 February 2016 10: 11
        +3
        This is called military cunning and wisdom. There is no need to show strength in Russia. Better to show "weakness" away from its boundaries
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      3. MMX
        MMX 2 February 2016 11: 30
        0
        Quote: Voice of the Mind
        The personnel of the aerospace forces and the navy got the opportunity to apply their skills not only in the framework of the exercises, but also during the present war.

        haha three times. Safari at public expense, with the bombing of the "Papuans" is not a "real war"
        Rather, we will apply the aphorism "If you are strong, appear weak, if weak - strong ..."


        This is not even a military trick or aphorism, but such a law of nature (in the animal world it is continuously acting and one of the main ones). But how then, if we speak in such a context, to evaluate the United States and its military companies against Iraq, Afghanistan, the same Islamic State, and earlier Vietnam, Korea? They (USA) also want to seem stronger, which means they are weak?
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      5. alexej123
        alexej123 2 February 2016 12: 00
        +7
        You haha ​​5 times. Launch these "Papuans" into your country and see how you scream.
      6. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 2 February 2016 13: 05
        +4
        Quote: Voice of Mind
        Safari at public expense, with the bombing of the "Papuans"

        what the whole "civilized world" is doing. Or do you propose to put your suicide bombers on pickups against them? to be honest? Cool down, there is an advantage - in the war it is realized.
        1. Voice of the Mind
          Voice of the Mind 2 February 2016 15: 50
          -8
          Quote: fennekRUS
          there is an advantage - in the war they realize it

          This is so, but I'm not talking about that) "A real war" for Russia, what is happening in Syria is difficult to call.
          Russia is now weak (having objectively looked at the situation, and discarding the "prospects" in the form of "armature" and PAK FA, we will find out that we are holding on only due to the presence of nuclear weapons) and is trying to seem strong.
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 2 February 2016 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: Voice of Mind
            Russia is now weak (objectively looking at the situation, and throwing away "prospects"

            Well, what do you say here? There is some truth in this, but ...! I will answer with a mossy "accordion"
            http://atkritka.com/upload/iblock/727/atkritka_1445993534_894.jpg
          2. MMX
            MMX 2 February 2016 18: 15
            0
            Quote: Voice of the Mind
            Quote: fennekRUS
            there is an advantage - in the war they realize it

            This is so, but I'm not talking about that) "A real war" for Russia, what is happening in Syria is difficult to call.
            Russia is now weak (having objectively looked at the situation, and discarding the "prospects" in the form of "armature" and PAK FA, we will find out that we are holding on only due to the presence of nuclear weapons) and is trying to seem strong.


            Let me ask, from whom does nuclear weapons save us? Who are these evil things that threaten us with war?
      7. Petrik66
        Petrik66 2 February 2016 14: 32
        0
        Well then, Americans, and NATO in general, are complete fools.
      8. Petrik66
        Petrik66 2 February 2016 14: 32
        0
        Well then, Americans, and NATO in general, are complete fools.
      9. 1774
        1774 2 February 2016 21: 47
        +1
        What is better to sit and wait for all this evil spirits to approach our borders. And as for the Papuans, take at least the "best" in the world of the US Navy and Air Force, where they had a worthy adversary. Though. Yes, the grandfathers told how hard the Fritz allies beat them, especially in the Ardennes, mind you in 44, and with fresh forces, and the themes of the offensive were simply shocking.
      10. Old old
        Old old 2 February 2016 23: 27
        +4
        haha three times. Safari at public expense, with the bombing of the "Papuans" is not a "real war"
        Rather, we will apply the aphorism "If you are strong, appear weak, if weak - strong ..."

        On bombing "Papuans" the USA promotes the postulate about the invincibility of its army and nothing, "people hawala".
        Why are you denying this right to the Russian army?
  4. Zubr
    Zubr 2 February 2016 07: 01
    +6
    30 January, The Independent’s British publication published an article entitled “War in Syria: Russia's military cket cket rbs military reconnaissance and shock to the West and Israel’ ”(“ War in Syria: Russian “rusty old stuff” was a high-tech shock for the West and Israel ”) by Kim Sengupta. The author of this publication summed up the preliminary results of recent events in the Middle East. To this end, he reviewed the views that existed until recently and recent events, and also tried to draw some conclusions about the prospects for the international situation.


    Well, where did their mother’s mother look at their eyes? )) Glider, well thought out, inspection for defects in the hull, replacement of components, parts, on-board controls and navigation systems, yet it is cheaper than building a new one. And our defense industry, as usual, does everything with a multiple margin of safety.
    Why go so far? Take the shtatovskiy F16, F15, F18 of all modifications, go the same way.
    But what they didn’t overlook was our HUGE PLUS, which is correctly misleading a potential adversary .. wink Squeeze the rolls tightly, gentlemen "PARTNERS", I'm sure these are just flowers. smile
  5. Mera joota
    Mera joota 2 February 2016 07: 10
    +5
    This is already a mania, a constant need to convince yourself that "everyone is afraid of us!"
    Russian “rusty junk” became a high-tech shock for the West and Israel

    What's the shock then? That domestic aviation is capable of taking to the skies? What is a "high-tech shock" in general?
    1. midivan
      midivan 2 February 2016 07: 26
      +8
      Quote: Mera Joota
      What's the shock then? That domestic aviation is capable of taking to the skies? What is a "high-tech shock" in general?

      it is possible that the rusty old stuff can hang a sign in the sky "closed", and at the bottom the sign "accounting" is also rusty iron with pipes on the back laughing and all the calls will have to peek over the hill in turland when the plates are removed laughing
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 2 February 2016 08: 47
        +8
        Quote: midivan
        it is possible that the rusty old stuff can hang a sign in the sky "closed", and at the bottom of the sign "accounting" is also rusty iron with pipes on the back and all calls will have to look out from behind a hillock in turland when the signs will be removed

        And who pays attention to the tablets?
        US bombed the Assad military base near Deir ez-Zor? Did the Israelis bomb the Hezbollah near Damascus? Not to mention the Turks who shot down the Su-24 ...
        1. Barboskin
          Barboskin 2 February 2016 09: 18
          +2
          The shock of the fact that they are able to lay down bombs with an accuracy of 2-3 meters. Not everyone is capable of this, but only armies with high technical equipment.
          1. vova1973
            vova1973 2 February 2016 09: 31
            +3
            from a height of 6 km with such accuracy you can only put a guided bomb
        2. cap
          cap 2 February 2016 09: 38
          +9
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Quote: midivan
          it is possible that the rusty old stuff can hang a sign in the sky "closed", and at the bottom of the sign "accounting" is also rusty iron with pipes on the back and all calls will have to look out from behind a hillock in turland when the signs will be removed

          And who pays attention to the tablets?
          US bombed the Assad military base near Deir ez-Zor? Did the Israelis bomb the Hezbollah near Damascus? Not to mention the Turks who shot down the Su-24 ...


          I read your ironic comment and put a plus. You're right.
          Unfinished in a combat situation, the enemy as a wounded boar on a hunt until you get better not to approach.
          This rule applies in any fight.
          As for the experts, their task is to justify the coalition, which has been stamped out for a whole year in Iraq and Syria, and the results are penny. To recognize that the training of Russian pilots is many times higher means losing face. There is only one way out: "the technique turned out to be better than we thought."
          On this occasion, I recall a joke about a glass instrument, improper use of which leads to breakage or personal injury.
          VKS pilots one wish to bomb day and night until they beg for mercy. Without any stupid conditions and calls for humanism. Thank you for the attention hi .
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 2 February 2016 11: 38
            12
            “To admit that the training of Russian pilots is many times higher means losing face.
            There is only one way out, "the technique turned out to be better than we thought."

            The training of pilots with the American is about the same.
            The enemy has no bombing from 5 km, air defense and electronic warfare - what’s so surprising here?
            And the Americans in Iraq and Israel over Gaza - the same thing.

            Surprised everyone (including me) low accident rate of Russian aviation
            in Syria. That indicates competent maintenance first of all.
            1. jjj
              jjj 2 February 2016 13: 17
              0
              Do not be surprised. Our military equipment and weapons are made so that they have as little fuss as possible. He refueled, loaded his weapon and - forward. It itself fulfills the resource
            2. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 2 February 2016 13: 28
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh

              Surprised everyone (including me) low accident rate of Russian aviation
              in Syria. That indicates competent maintenance first of all.

              Stop living the stereotypes of the western pi-ar machine and you will be even less surprised. As an example, 2012 - 12 crashed US Air Force planes.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 2 February 2016 15: 13
                -5
                "As an example, 2012 - 12 crashed US Air Force aircraft." ///

                And how many combat aircraft crashed during training flights
                in recent years in Russia?
                1. DarkRiver
                  DarkRiver 2 February 2016 17: 01
                  +2
                  Much less often than the United States, but in Russia there are fewer aircraft, for the sake of truth. I mean, with proper maintenance, Russian-made planes fall no more often than American ones, but among the average man there is an opposite opinion.
  6. MARGADON
    MARGADON 2 February 2016 07: 48
    17
    I think the shock causes a large number of sorties per day. Americans are accustomed to doing everything measuredly, with afternoon snacks and weekends, and ours are hammering the IGilovtsev without respite. I also want to note the work of our intelligence, which’s really impressive. It’s not enough just to launch 90 planes a day, everyone needs a goal, and sometimes not just one. Bravo intelligence!
    1. tracker
      tracker 2 February 2016 08: 12
      +5
      the shock is not in a large number of sorties, but in the effectiveness of the use, especially the irregular army of Americans and other Turks is destroyed
      1. vova1973
        vova1973 2 February 2016 09: 34
        +2
        Under the so-called shock, their military will knock out more money from the budget.
  7. Ascetic
    Ascetic 2 February 2016 09: 44
    10
    Probably Isaykin / the head of Rosoboronexport / ordered an article laughing Because the weapons used in Syria receive good advertising precisely because it works quite effectively. That means there will be more contracts in the future. More orders for the military-industrial complex / some companies have already switched to mobilization mode of operation /, and the military-industrial complex, in turn, can become a locomotive of development Russian economy, especially in light of lower prices for oil and gas resources.
    Here in particular what the Japanese say
    According to Russian authorities, as a result of hostilities in Syria, interest in Russian-made weapons increased sharply. In August, export contracts totaling $ 40 billion were signed. In mid-December, this amount rose to $ 57 billion.

    On December 19, President Putin announced that he was ready to take additional measures if necessary. He noted that in Syria, Russia has shown far from all its power.

    Russia uses the latest weapons in Syria for advertising purposes
    Well, no one will deny the acquisition of vast experience of participation in local conflicts of low and medium intensity on remote theater of operations using an interspecific grouping of troops.
    1. Fat
      Fat 2 February 2016 11: 01
      +2
      And advertising purposes, of course, too, but what, in fact, is bad in this. The way the actions of the Aerospace Forces are covered in the Russian media simply suggests that the military-industrial complex will definitely remove the "foam" from this ... as well as the producers of "rusty buckets" of other powers.
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 2 February 2016 09: 56
    +1
    There are suspicions that our weapons ceased to be rusty for NATO, when the cuts in the military budget began. For it is foolish to think that a country that is unable to produce high-quality and modern weapons constantly holds the second place in the export of arms. Well, not quite fools are sitting there in intelligence, for all the articles that have surfaced lately are being pulled to order from the NATO military.
  9. uskrabut
    uskrabut 2 February 2016 10: 09
    +2
    Russia is regaining its rightful place in the sun. The West should recognize this and stop being nervous, it is better to re-read all the agreements following the results of the Second World War.
    Russians know how to fight and they do it well (proof is the territory of Russia). Our "friends" should not forget this. Live in peace with Russia and everything will be fine.
  10. vovandm
    vovandm 2 February 2016 10: 25
    +6
    Su-35S fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces are flying from the Privolzhsky airfield (Astrakhan region) to the Syrian airbase Khmeimim as part of the Russian aviation group in Syria. The aircraft are equipped with containers of the L-265M10 active jamming complex of the Khibiny-M electronic warfare system suspended from the wingtips. The picture was supposedly taken from the Tu-154M leader aircraft
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 February 2016 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: vovandm
      Su-35S fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces fly from the Volga airfield (Astrakhan region) to the Syrian air base Khmeimim in

      By the way, all our military aircraft fly to Syria via Iran and Iraq, including the TU-22 TU-160 with bomb load and the SU-34 is even spotted directly at the Iranian airfield.
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 2 February 2016 21: 15
        +4
        Iran in fact has long been Russia's geopolitical ally

        But earlier, to admit it was "not comme il faut" in the conditions of overwhelming information and economic control by the United States. Only the CSTO was "allowed" as a historically established reality

        The more independence and freedom Russia will have - the more openly cooperation with allies will be - and not only with Iran
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 2 February 2016 16: 21
      +2
      Quote: vovandm
      Su-35S fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces are flying from the Privolzhsky airfield (Astrakhan region) to the Syrian airbase Khmeimim as part of the Russian aviation group in Syria. The aircraft are equipped with containers of the L-265M10 active jamming complex of the Khibiny-M electronic warfare system suspended from the wingtips. The picture was supposedly taken from the Tu-154M leader aircraft

      --
      thanks, good photo
  11. Izotovp
    Izotovp 2 February 2016 10: 30
    +1
    The shock is also due to the fact that airborne forces, air defense and electronic warfare systems can work so successfully, which means that they can’t count on their main trump card which they used to operate in in previous aoynas — an advantage in the air. And without it, in ground operations, they will suffer huge losses, especially in the collision of formations above the platoon.
  12. Idiot
    Idiot 2 February 2016 11: 07
    12
    Again stuffing about Ukraine. There are no our aircraft in Ukraine. If the electronic warfare and air defense systems are located on the border with New Russia, this is our business, including their location and goals. As for Israel, in my opinion, they want to push us with their foreheads - nothing more. No wonder the top leadership of Israel, including the military, was on a visit to Moscow. Surely Moscow gave guarantees of non-interference of our Arab allies in their affairs and control over the proliferation of effective weapons systems deployed in Syria. Surely contacts at the level of general staffs and intelligence have not been terminated and will not be terminated in the future. In Israel, there are many smart people who really appreciate the goals of the Russian Federation in the region and the mutual benefit for the two countries of our presence there. Israel needs a reliable ally that does not abandon its allies under any circumstances - Israel, surrounded by an unfriendly Arab world, needs Security. First of all, from Iran, which, in cooperation with Moscow, also has good geopolitical prospects.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 2 February 2016 12: 13
      +2
      I agree completely! They need distinct, predictable neighbors, even if they are enemies, but adequate.
    2. max702
      max702 2 February 2016 12: 43
      +4
      Quote: pft, fkb
      Israel needs a reliable ally that does not abandon its allies under any circumstances - Israel, surrounded by an unfriendly Arab world, needs Security. First of all, from Iran, which, in cooperation with Moscow, also has good geopolitical prospects.

      The trouble is that Israel threw it from the scam .. With such friends, they don’t need enemies .. Now they need us (though not really much), but tomorrow we will interfere and sell without blinking an eye, but only after seeing a minimal gesheft .. I’d like to act with them in Israel, to assure my friends of a smile, and to sell as soon as possible, it is desirable so that only memories remain from this state, because they deserve it ..
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 2 February 2016 13: 27
        -6
        Quote: max702
        The trouble is that Israel threw it from the scam .. With such friends, they don’t need enemies .. Now they need us (though not really much), but tomorrow we will interfere and sell without blinking an eye, but only after seeing a minimal gesheft .. I’d like to act with them in Israel, to assure my friends of a smile, and to sell as soon as possible, it is desirable so that only memories remain from this state, because they deserve it ..


        And you sold Iran s-300, despite the promises given to us, what did you do?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 February 2016 13: 51
          +7
          Persians promised earlier. Yes, and nuclear weapons are not with the Persians, but with Israel (which should not be, I'm talking about nuclear weapons, not about Israel).

          In fact, you are an agressor - from which Iran is seeking protection, no matter what the TV tells you

          And all the attempts to destroy Israel - from the fact that you can destroy Iran 10 times (because of overseas gifts), and he can not oppose anything except people with an idea and a land mine

          When Iran has its own bomb, the rhetoric about Iran and Syria will noticeably subside, so Iran needs nuclear weapons.

          1. romõch
            romõch 2 February 2016 20: 10
            +3
            It’s enough for Iran that Iran isn’t frail for us. Noches new alliances and coalitions are drawn
            1. vova1973
              vova1973 7 February 2016 03: 28
              0
              Yeah Iran is the same friend as Turkey once was. Iran will not have nuclear weapons, it may somehow with a stretch of an ally while Israel and Saudi Arabia exist.
        2. Izotovp
          Izotovp 2 February 2016 13: 56
          +1
          Ah! You wanted to bomb with impunity ?! With all due respect to Israel, the S-300 is a defensive weapon.
        3. romõch
          romõch 2 February 2016 18: 27
          0
          Persians are friends now. hisbals are ours now. Well, then we don't, they are all, they are. we will pat the current on the shoulder and say: "you guys know what to do" but nothing to do with the male - a fact. and all the rest - on the brazen red face. and such hnyu, mind you, we did not come up with it. Also say that the Hamasites were not bought by you, well, well
        4. arnulla
          arnulla 2 February 2016 23: 45
          +1
          Isn't the C-300 a defensive weapon? Not? Or is Israel still going to bomb Iran?
  13. 1774
    1774 2 February 2016 12: 50
    +4
    And the Americans have completely newer f -15,16,18,14, B-52N, E-2s, as well as Prowlers and Intruders of the 21st century (sarcasm). Legends, excavators and hospitals are generally terrified about the accuracy of bombing of Americans in quiet horror .
  14. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 13: 52
    +3
    And what prevents the United States, which have a GPS global positioning system, and a powerful satellite reconnaissance group from using the same technology?
    The most interesting in this operation of the aerospace forces is the high organization of logistics and aviation support, which provide intensive use of aircraft.
    1. romõch
      romõch 2 February 2016 18: 21
      0
      What is in the way? How do Americans bomb their own? Questionssss ... the rupture of the mosquito prevents them, and not the high organization, which, however, they, like the mosquito ... have
  15. romõch
    romõch 2 February 2016 16: 51
    +1
    ISIS are we bombing there? yeah. Needle merikamam TIPavrag?))) Yeah. we bomb the natural American army there, with free oil, and the Americans put their tongues in the ass and stuffed it ... how can you? what to divide ?? ETOGES opchiy TIPAvrag on their zhezh glories))) oh nimaga, oh suckers. so stsuka lies, that now they don’t know how to get out of their lies. it is now we are fighting with the Americans, and not with the isila. And pay attention! the gigimon blows it out, straight along with its gigimonchik blows out clean. And what kind of gigimon is he after? Fso. Americans sailed) or rather sailed away and flew away) suddenly a racket there which x8756 yaket on the karalik, or the toy is blind and deaf on the ground a spit-drinker. And if we can bend the gigimon, others will say - what are we bald chels? The Persians of the American sailors set cancer and showed it to the whole world, and the Merikans sham! )) you think! there is no more gigimon, was, but went out all
  16. _my opinion
    _my opinion 2 February 2016 19: 40
    0
    it is possible that on the basis of this article there will be even more hysterical statements - the Russians are coming, we must arm ourselves ...
    1. romõch
      romõch 2 February 2016 19: 49
      0
      This article is a tantrum, not a foundation. and the basis is that we dry them in the FSE areas, especially in the FSE. Merikans now teperich their allies from our weapons can no longer cover in any way anywhere ... and this is a fact
  17. Alekspel
    Alekspel 2 February 2016 20: 05
    0
    The West is beginning to understand ... They don't understand shit yet. Merkelikha is also shrinking. But when Uncle Vova demonstrates the utter vulnerability of the American island, then they will already have a real shock. And this is not far off. Then Clintonikha will sing her "Wow", and "Guard" will scream! That's when we'll look at the reaction of the American Gay European satellites. So God bless Vladimirich, he rules foreign policy correctly.
  18. red_october
    red_october 2 February 2016 23: 10
    +3
    Dear West, usso is just beginning!
    Eat vitamins and go to bed in time and you will be happy ...

    But seriously, I want to rephrase Bismarck a little: Russia responds to any stupidity of the West calmly, systematically and predictably in the coordinate system of its interests and values.

    And the fact that the West listens and hears and believes in its legends itself - well, who’s your doctor, colleagues ...
  19. takeoff
    takeoff 3 February 2016 01: 24
    +1
    Quote: MARGADON
    I think the shock causes a large number of sorties per day. Americans are accustomed to doing everything measuredly, with afternoon snacks and weekends, and ours are hammering the IGilovtsev without respite. I also want to note the work of our intelligence, which’s really impressive. It’s not enough just to launch 90 planes a day, everyone needs a goal, and sometimes not just one. Bravo intelligence!

    What to do ... Americans with their rare flights seem to justify their pastimes where they are not entirely happy. It is necessary to make excuses to taxpayers ...
  20. Belousov
    Belousov 3 February 2016 09: 37
    0
    Well, the fact that no one expected this from Russia is a fact. But the fact that under this hype states and others will knock out money and poke another dozen of their bases near us is also a fact.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 February 2016 12: 24
      0
      In any case, they will do it until they feel something solid ...
  21. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 4 February 2016 01: 19
    +1
    Quote: vova1973
    from a height of 6 km with such accuracy you can only put a guided bomb

    Dear Vova! And you don't seem to know anything about the Hephaestus topic. For the uninitiated, I inform you that the CEP (circular probable deviation) when using this equipment is 3-5 meters. And it is not at all necessary to install an SVP-24 on each aircraft, it is enough for the group leader to have it and the known time lag between the aircraft in the group in order to bomb the rest of the group's aircraft with the same accuracy with the uncontrolled AAS either at the leader's target or at another target on the flight path. In the latter case, it is true not for any goal, but rather close to the previous one.
    1. vova1973
      vova1973 7 February 2016 03: 50
      0
      Yah! A simple accessible example - see tank biathlon? From 1000 m in ideal conditions from a stationary weapon platform (tank) on a stationary target is smeared. How did you decide that from such an unstable weapon platform, which is an aircraft, unguided ammunition can be hit more accurately? And on this "Hephaestus" tell me what conditions of application should be in order to achieve such accuracy. And you can write anything you want.
      "from a height of 6 km, only a guided bomb can be placed with such precision" or several tons of unguided bombs. The accuracy will not be the same, but the defeat with a high degree of probability will be achieved.