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The dollar barrier between Russia and Belarus, or What to lubricate the skis of the union state?

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The other day an informal meeting of the Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev with the President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko was held in Sochi. Despite the fact that more often the policies of the union state appeared in front of cameras and camera lenses on the ski slopes of Krasnaya Polyana, in fact, the meeting cannot be called frankly "tusovochnaya." During the conversation, Alexander Lukashenko and Dmitry Medvedev discussed issues related to the difficulties of an economic nature faced by both Russia and Belarus.


The dollar barrier between Russia and Belarus, or What to lubricate the skis of the union state?


And this Sochi discussion was a kind of continuation of the Russian-Belarusian contacts, which were already held by the heads of government - Dmitry Medvedev and his Belarusian counterpart Andrei Kobyakov (in St. Petersburg).

All these contacts are intended to shape the agenda, which will be discussed in the format of the Supreme State Council of the Union State of Russia and Belarus. The plans of Moscow and Minsk include the holding of a meeting of the Supreme State Council (VGS SG) in Minsk in the last decade of February.
What issues can now be called one of the priority ones - for discussion in the framework of the GHS SG? For obvious reasons, the economy occupies a leading position. One of the issues for discussion is the dynamics of trade turnover between the constituent parts of the Union State, in addition to being members of the Eurasian Economic Union.

Frankly speaking, it is somewhat strange against the background of constant statements by politicians of the highest level about the need to abandon mutual settlements in dollars, to hear statements by representatives of the same top leadership of both Russia and Belarus about “reducing trade turnover” in dollar terms. The Chairman of the Belarusian Council of Ministers who visited St. Petersburg said that with Peter alone, the trade turnover of Belarus fell by half a billion dollars: from $ 2 billion in 2014 to $ 1,5 billion in 2015.

Andrei Kobyakov:
We have to get to the indicators that were in 2014 year, for us to become mundane and surpassed.


The question arises: to go to exactly what indicators? Indeed, in 2014, the Russian and Belarusian national currencies against the US were significantly stronger than in 2015. And if you measure the level of trade in a currency that, at least, geographically has nothing to do with the two countries, the statistics of trade will indeed look depressing. But after all, the Russian and Belarusian companies, I hope, pay off with each other not gray-green American candy wrappers when selling manufactured products ...

If, however, we measure commodity turnover in rubles (albeit in Russian), then in 2015, its indicators showed growth in a number of industries. And this is a much more objective figure, unlike the dollar equivalent, which in the trade relations of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus looks completely inappropriate.

However, returning to the phrase “I would like to hope” (about mutual settlements in national currencies), it turns out that everything is not so simple. If you believe the Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, Mr. Ulyukayev, the "dollarization of trade is great." In September last year, Ulyukaev declared (quote Interfax):

If we measure the volume of trade not in US dollars, but take physical volumes, we will see that trade has not fallen. In physical terms, it is the same as a year ago. And if we measure it in national currencies, we will even see growth. This once again shows that the high degree of dollarization of our trade, and it is now less than it was before, but still is still quite large, and our investment and trade relations are highly dependent on the exchange rate ratios that are outside our jurisdictions and bring more negative in the turnover. Of course, it is necessary to develop relations formed in national currencies.


It turns out that the hopes for payment by national currencies of the ordered products by the majority of Russian and Belarusian companies turned out to be unjustified ... From the words of the same Ulyukayev, it becomes clear that with all the loud statements about the need for import substitution (by the way, Medvedev and Kobyakov again spoke about import substitution) Petersburg, the same Medvedev with Lukashenko in Sochi), the main thing is not happening - the refusal to pay for contracts in foreign currency (US dollars). For two countries, each of which is to some extent under American sanctions, it is strange to continue to use the American currency to service the goods turnover, to put it mildly ...

By the way, it is worth recalling how the process began. As soon as the Russian ruble in 2014 came out of the so-called currency corridor and the decision of the Central Bank became a currency with a floating exchange rate, this same rate rushed down (in relation to the main currencies of world trade - the dollar and the euro). For obvious reasons, this tendency of the Russian ruble influenced the economy of Belarus. The level of republican revenues from trade with the Russian Federation began to fall along with the depreciation of the Russian national currency. At this moment, the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko started up. He appealed to the Council of Ministers of the Republic of Belarus with the requirement to make the transition to mutual settlements with Russia in US dollars or euros. The Belarusian leader considered the argument that the Republic of Belarus is paying the Russian Federation for energy resources in dollars. At the same time, the leader of the Republic of Belarus, apparently, was not particularly embarrassed by the fact that energy resources from Russia to Belarus were actually sold at Russian prices.

Alexander Lukashenko (December 2014):
The task was to trade not for rubles, but for dollars, since we pay for energy resources not in rubles, but in dollars. This, by the way, is a lack of government work. It was necessary to work with Russia for a long time and require from them so that they pay us in hard currency - in dollars or euros.

The Council of Ministers took the visor, and the role of the dollar in the commodity-money relations of the two countries grew substantially. Washington only had to applaud from such decisions of the "Eastern partners" ... It’s still applauding that the share of the US dollar does not intend to decline at an active pace in the trade interaction of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. How much on a double exchange alone our countries spend in the process of such trade - we can only guess ... Is it profitable for Russian companies? Not. Is it beneficial for Belarusian companies? Also no. Washington is again shaken by stormy, unceasing applause ...

I would like to hope that at the negotiating table in Minsk in the format of the Supreme State Council of the Union State, the representatives of Russia and Belarus will still find the formula that will allow them not to serve the American economy, but work to improve their own economy and to reduce the degree of mutual complaints and grievances that are far not only from economic pragmatics, but also from the very principle of the two countries in a real Union State.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 2 February 2016 06: 42
    30
    . We had to work with Russia for a long time and demand from them that they pay us in hard currency - in dollars or euros.
    Considering that he said this in 2014, he didn’t succeed. Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 2 February 2016 06: 59
      22
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Considering that he said this in 2014, he didn’t succeed. Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy.

      That's not the word! Looks like Lukashenko is trying to follow in the footsteps of UKROPOV and Russia to milk, and after partial lifting of the sanctions he decided to milk the EU as well. Sale skin.
      1. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 2 February 2016 08: 30
        24
        bah !! and you only now understood it ??? well, he’s always been an idol for you, we have had such a policy for all the years of his reign, and by the way you have a crisis once upon a decree, and we have a mustachioed ruble buy-off in every new year, by 20-30%, plus another 20 for a year, so do not complain about the life of the Russians)))
        1. avt
          avt 2 February 2016 10: 25
          +4
          Quote: hedgehog in the fog
          we have a mustachioed one, every divine new year the ruble buy-off falls by 20-30%, plus another 20 per year, so do not complain about the life of the Russians)

          Well, now, as in a song - "I spend the last ruble in Sochi, I dashed a telegram - send money, I'll finish it off, I laughed all of them."
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          And what prevents Russia from abandoning the calculation of economic relations in dollars?
          I repeat again
          Lukashenko. If memory is straining, then remember how on slogans about a single currency, the GDP finally proposed to separate the flies from cutlets and specifically answer for the bazaar.
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          Maybe you need a single currency?

          laughing
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          What is stopping Belarus? Psychology of leaders? Or

          And again - NOBODY will allow the national states formed from the ex-Soviet republics to the emission center in Russia. Even the House beyond the Kremlin wall will not be allowed to put a stool near the throne.
          Quote: atalef
          problems with the fall of the ruble and inflation

          And before that, a specific gesheft on the exchange rate difference, a kind of gambling - financial wild poker ..... American laughing , where in fact the one with more dollars wins.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 2 February 2016 14: 31
          +3
          Hedgehog in the fog! 08.30. And in Russia, too, the ruble dad collapses? If our ruble is not stable, then why should you have a strong ruble? Given the export of your products mainly to us. You have a planned economy with the expectation of stable development. We have a free wind economy, where it will endure. And what does the dad if he trades with us, but we are shaking? Develop Russia stably and Belarus will also develop stably. We have all the enterprises shaking and many are bending. Is the Old Man to blame?
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 3 February 2016 02: 54
            +2
            Quote: Region 34
            And in Russia, too, the ruble dad collapses? If our ruble is not stable, then why should you have a strong ruble? Given the export of your products mainly to us.

            You are apparently not a reader. Hedgehog wrote that they have it almost EVERY YEAR. In our country, this is the second serious crisis in 15 years.
        3. Douglas
          Douglas 3 February 2016 02: 54
          +1
          bah !! and you only now understood it ??? well, he’s always been an idol for you, we have had such a policy for all the years of his reign, and by the way you have a crisis once upon a decree, and we have a mustachioed ruble buy-off in every new year, by 20-30%, plus another 20 for a year, so do not complain about the life of the Russians)))

          And I see my friend, I don’t like living in Belarus. So bring it down, pederast of Europe there is democracy, someone does not collapse. You will live to sing songs.
      2. wax
        wax 2 February 2016 13: 49
        +8
        Lukashenko has a typical farm worldview. With such a union state can not be built.
        1. Temples
          Temples 2 February 2016 14: 12
          +6
          Already got these unions.
          It’s easier to be - a single state. Russia.
          1. Douglas
            Douglas 3 February 2016 03: 10
            +1
            Already got these unions.
            It’s easier to be - a single state. Russia.

            My friend, we would be happy to step into RUSSIA, only what benefits will we get from this? What RUSSIA can offer BELARUS at the moment. Until Russia becomes a world power, we don’t fig and rock the boat.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 5 February 2016 21: 04
              +1
              Quote: Douglas
              My friend, we would be happy to step into RUSSIA, only what benefits will we get from this? What RUSSIA can offer BELARUS at the moment. Until Russia becomes a world power, we don’t fig and rock the boat.

              The benefits will be about the same as Tatarstan. You leave 90% of the taxes to yourselves, steer your own domestic policy. You get tranches for different programs and constructions that overlap these 10% times 4. This is the economy.
              1. Douglas
                Douglas 9 February 2016 11: 46
                0
                The benefits will be about the same as Tatarstan. You leave 90% of the taxes to yourselves, steer your own domestic policy. You get tranches for different programs and constructions that overlap these 10% times 4. This is the economy.

                So this is what we already have in the Customs Union. We only decide our foreign policy ourselves, and we can print money ourselves. THIS IS NOT SUCH.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 2 February 2016 14: 35
          +1
          Wax! 13.49. And what is our leadership thinking? Imperial? Do we already have $ 100 for a ruble? We buy all the production around the world? We have a development plan and we have been steadily developing without crisis for a hundred years?
        3. Douglas
          Douglas 3 February 2016 03: 05
          +1
          Lukashenko has a typical farm worldview. With such a union state can not be built.

          Mister the main thing is that you do not have a farm outlook. And there is a union state for a long time. If you do not know.
      3. Dam
        Dam 2 February 2016 23: 02
        -2
        I repeat, Rostov is not rubber. It’s probably not included in the plans of the Russian Federation to collect there the council of the former cunning assailants
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 3 February 2016 03: 13
          +2
          I repeat, Rostov is not rubber. It’s probably not included in the plans of the Russian Federation to collect there the council of the former cunning assailants

          Right buddy, first you need to conduct order on your territory.
      4. Douglas
        Douglas 3 February 2016 02: 50
        +1
        That's not the word! Looks like Lukashenko is trying to follow in the footsteps of UKROPOV and Russia to milk, and after partial lifting of sanctions he decided to milk the EU as well.

        Buddy I still can’t understand how BELARUS is milking RUSSIA? And explain to me the distant and dull who Lukashenko sold out? And who are the dill explain?
        1. Dam
          Dam 3 February 2016 16: 29
          -2
          Let's try: 1 As soon as we are talking about oil and gas tariffs, the Union State and the supply prices should be adequate to the domestic Russian prices 2. As soon as we are talking about counter-sanctions of the Russian Federation against the EU, St. with passport made to Belarus. When everything is bad, the bunny falls into a tailspin, the Old Man is in Moscow and receives interest-free loans for the rescue. As the time comes to open the VKS base, we twirl our tail, supply the planes for free, and we ourselves will protect everyone. Games with the emerging nationalism always end the same way: see the experience of the country 404 (aka dill). Based on the above, in the event of a major conflict, there is no confidence that Belarus, under the EU's promises, will not sit out in a trench, opening a good piece of the western border. And you personally, did not you think that Old Man is not eternal and that he is a lot of years old, where will you put the newborn neo-nationalists later?
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 2 February 2016 08: 14
      +8
      And what prevents Russia from abandoning the calculation of economic relations in dollars?

      What is stopping Belarus? Psychology of leaders? Or?

      Maybe you need a single currency? But the common currency in the Union State has been discussed since the Yeltsin era ...

      Or maybe ... That's why these dollars are needed? To buy something abroad. So it's better to try to produce this "something" yourself.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 February 2016 08: 20
        +1
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        And what prevents Russia from abandoning the calculation of economic relations in dollars?

        second party consent
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        What is stopping Belarus? Psychology of leaders? Or?

        problems with the fall of the ruble and inflation
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Maybe you need a single currency? But the common currency in the Union State is discussed since Yeltsin’s time.

        Single currency ? and where is the emission center? In Minsk ?
        One currency - one Central Bank. and this is a loss of statehood.
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Or maybe ... That's why these dollars are needed?

        Weird question.
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        To buy something abroad. So it's better to try to produce this "something" yourself.

        Trying and producing are very different things. No.
        1. WAN
          WAN 2 February 2016 08: 50
          14
          Example. The factory produces cardboard packaging for milk. Raw materials are purchased in Finland for the euro, as in Russia there is no factory that would produce such cardboard. Yes, in huge Russia there isn’t that! Naturally, the payment goes in Euros. With Belarusians, settlements and the contract are also in Euros, it is convenient for everyone.
          Who should initiate production in Russia? There will be production in Russia, we will pay in rubles.
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 2 February 2016 20: 48
            +1
            WAN (1
            Example. The factory produces cardboard packaging for milk. Raw materials are purchased in Finland for the euro since in Russia there is no factory that would produce such cardboard. Yes, in huge Russia there isn’t that!

            belay come on! But what about the Tetra Pak?
            in Russia, the company's products have been known for more than half a century. In the late 1950s, the USSR government signed the first contract with Tetra Pak for the supply of equipment for the dairy industry, and soon several Soviet enterprises were equipped with liquid packaging lines in Tetra Classic. In the 1970s, with the help of Tetra Pak, the Chertanovsky (later Tsaritsynsky) dairy plant was built in Moscow, on which the company installed 20 Tetra Brik packaging lines.
            Now the interests of the company in Russia are represented by a subsidiary of Tetra Pak CJSC. Tetra Pak has a packaging material manufacturing plant in Russia in Lobny (Moscow Region), the largest in Eastern Europe. A total of 520 Tetra Pak liquid food bottling lines were installed at Russian food enterprises.
            5,5 billion packages and 1 billion salt shakers are produced annually at a factory in Lobny near Moscow. The company is based in Sweden, but now it has essentially become global. Russia has the largest plant in Central and Eastern Europe. From here the packaging is supplied for the whole CIS
            http://www.tetrapak.com/ru/about/tetra-pak-in-russia-ukraine-belarus-central-asi
            a
            WAN
            . Yes, in huge Russia there isn’t that!

            belay
            further about where the cardboard itself comes from !! for Tetra Pak
            Tetra Brick and Tetra Brick Aseptic packaging materials are produced in Russia at the Tetra Pak Kuban factory in Timashevsk, Krasnodar Territory, and for Tetra Rex in the Queen of the Moscow Region. They consist of paper, polyethylene and foil, combined in several layers. Raw materials for the production of packaging materials are also used Russian. These are cardboard of Svetogorsk PPM, Kazanpolymerprom polyethylene and Siberian Aluminum foil. All materials have been thoroughly tested in European laboratories for compliance with Swedish quality standards.
            1. WAN
              WAN 3 February 2016 11: 30
              0
              Laminated cardboard from 2 sides (NOT FOILED) is not produced in Russia! I have been working in the field of packaging for many years and I know this market well not on the Internet or TV.
              1. AlexW
                AlexW 3 February 2016 19: 47
                0
                Sanctions in hand :)) Import substitution is not from a good life, but for the good. If the Finns do not want to lose the market in Russia, let them localize production here. Like for example VW in Kaluga
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 3 February 2016 02: 58
            -1
            Quote: WAN
            Who should initiate production in Russia? There will be production in Russia, we will pay in rubles.

            Business probably. If the state, then push the enterprises to the treasury just do not know how to work.
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        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 February 2016 10: 11
          +3
          I agree with each point, add:
          The statehood of Belarus, as a country, dates from Russia. Accordingly, some points require adjustment. I think some kind of balance will be established.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 2 February 2016 14: 44
            0
            Zaurbek! 10.11. Well then, the Russian economy goes back to the United States and the EU.
          2. Douglas
            Douglas 3 February 2016 03: 39
            +2
            I agree with each point, add:
            The statehood of Belarus, as a country, dates from Russia. Accordingly, some points require adjustment. I think some kind of balance will be established.


            My friend, why did you decide that RUSSIA dates the budget of BELARUS? Ask yourself why your leadership gives money to BELARUS? You buy a product and pay for it. It would be if BELARUS were under the control of the United States. You would have to invest gigantic funds at the Smolensk border, in order to arrange the border 100-150 yards of dollars should be invested right away, then all the bases should be transferred. To build infrastructure. And it would be necessary to maintain it, and this is an additional cost of 5-10 mln dollars per year. And even with all this, you would still have to make the capital another city.
            1. SMikhalych
              SMikhalych 3 February 2016 11: 07
              +2
              Quote: Douglas
              You would have to invest gigantic funds on the border of SMOLENSK; to organize the border, you need to invest 100-150 yards of dollars immediately, then transfer all the bases. To build infrastructure. And it would be necessary to maintain it, and this is an additional cost of 5-10 mln dollars per year. And even with all this, you would still have to make the capital another city.

              So he and similar haters are not even aware of this. Nevertheless, in one of the programs by Solovyov, Zhirinovsky announced this figure - 32 yards of green cut paper OD-NO-MO-MENT-NO !!! And this is not counting the remaining costs associated with new construction projects, infrastructure equipment, communications, etc., etc., etc., etc. As he did not try to find a repetition later, he did not succeed - he told the truth. I no longer mention the modest town called Vileyka, where boys are periodically observed in the form of the Russian Navy ... not at all vacationers No. Is it okay that the 43rd submarine tracking and communication center has been installed in land-based Belarus since Soviet times? This is just the little that is known ... and what is not known? I just want to say: "Guys, you can't see beyond your nose!"
              1. AlexW
                AlexW 3 February 2016 19: 52
                -1
                We know ..... passed .... So, for 23 years, the Ukrainian vlada blackmailed Russia. The cost of renting the Sevastopol base was constantly increasing, gas transit - "a national treasure pipe", etc. The further the more impudent ... And now - "May-May"
        4. andj61
          andj61 2 February 2016 10: 30
          +8
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          And what prevents Russia from abandoning the calculation of economic relations in dollars?
          second party consent

          hi In fact, Lukashenko declares his agreement to trade with Russia for rubles, provided that Russia will also sell ALL goods, including energy, for rubles. And now, many enterprises trade for rubles, but with reference to the dollar, depending on the fluctuation of the exchange rate. Accordingly, invoices for payment of identical batches of the same product fluctuate depending on fluctuations in the general rate ... of the party. Or a dollar. bully
        5. 34 region
          34 region 2 February 2016 14: 42
          +1
          Atalef! 08.20. Interesting to know. Relations between Israel and the Arabs can be arbitrarily called relations between Russians and Belarusians. How do you trade with Arabs? For shekels, for dollars, or for what?
        6. AlexW
          AlexW 3 February 2016 19: 42
          0
          "One currency - one Central Bank. And this is the loss of statehood."

          Is there a single state in the EU Euro. EU? Germany, Poland and other Luxembourgs lost their statehood?
      2. sgg
        sgg 2 February 2016 18: 29
        0
        [quote = Enot-poloskun] And what prevents Russia from abandoning the calculation of economic relations in dollars?

        Nothing interferes. Given that Belarus forms its budget mainly through loans from the Russian Federation, loans need to be issued only in rubles.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 3 February 2016 03: 42
          +2
          Considering that Belarus forms its budget mainly through loans from the Russian Federation,

          Tell me please, how much, in a year does RUSSIA GIVE LOANS TO BELARUS?
    3. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 2 February 2016 09: 15
      +3
      The Belarusian leader considered the argument that the Republic of Belarus pays the Russian Federation for energy in dollars. At the same time, the leader of the Republic of Belarus, apparently, was not particularly embarrassed by the fact that energy supplies from Russia to Belarus were actually sold at domestic prices.

      Inside Russian prices in dollars !!!!! I do not understand how it is!
    4. Maksus
      Maksus 2 February 2016 09: 27
      -1
      Of course he is muddy. But meeting with DAM is a bust, it’s none. Why this profanity? Or does Lukashenko also not want to see GDP?
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 3 February 2016 00: 42
        0
        Quote: Maksus
        Of course he is muddy. But meeting with DAM is a bust, it’s none. Why this profanity? Or does Lukashenko also not want to see GDP?

        They say GDP and Lukashenko do not like each other, well, very much they do not like.)
    5. andj61
      andj61 2 February 2016 10: 25
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      . We had to work with Russia for a long time and demand from them that they pay us in hard currency - in dollars or euros.
      Considering that he said this in 2014, he didn’t succeed. Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy.

      The fact that Lukashenko is muddy is no one argues. But it turns out very interesting: energy - oil and gas is sold to Belarus for dollars. And Belarusian goods were sold to Russia mainly for rubles. While the rate was stable - 32-34 rubles per dollar - this was not a matter of principle: the ruble could always be easily converted to dollar at an affordable price. This can be done now, only the rate has increased 2,5 times, and it’s also not jumping childishly, so you need to either sell goods for dollars or lift up prices. And to sell somewhere, except Russia, Belarus is not very successful. Yes, and maintain a high level of employment, infrastructure repair, etc. also possible only at the expense of Russia. Therefore, if the question is posed that way, then oil and gas should also be sold to Belarus for rubles, even if the price is higher than the domestic one. This will tie Belarus to Russia stronger and remove some confusion in relations. And now there are a lot of really misunderstandings, and what is indicated in the article is only one, and not the most important one. The main one is the import through Belarus as a member of the Eurasian Community of goods sanctioned from Europe, Ukraine and Turkey, as well as non-sanctions, but falling under duties in Russia from Moldova. Now on the border of Russia and Belarus there are mobile control teams consisting of officials from various departments - customs, traffic police, Rosselkhoznadzor, Rospotrebnadzor, etc. But it is extremely difficult to close an absolutely transparent border, there are a lot of roads here and they are actively used. Yes, and goods are transported according to internal transport documents, and commercial documents are often issued already in Belarus, and it is difficult to understand where this product came from.
      So it turns out that the problem of paying for goods in dollars is, in general, a trifle: now, in fact, it is required to introduce full-fledged control of goods on the border between Russia and Belarus.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2016 10: 35
      -7
      Belarus is strongly tied to the "production" of oysters, salmon and other imported foreign crap, which is bought for dollars and euros. It’s easier for them to switch to import substitution.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 February 2016 11: 02
        +9
        Quote: siberalt
        Belarus is strongly tied to the "production" of oysters, salmon and other imported foreign crap, which is bought for dollars and euros. It’s easier for them to switch to import substitution.

        Belarus is tied to this for one simple reason, since Russia (or rather retail chains, and therefore citizens of Russia) are very attached to this and do not want to refuse.
        If the people said (and did) definitely not to buy, then re-export from Belarus would cease by itself.
        The overall result is that retail chains respond to the needs of consumers, and consumers have a cognitive dissonance. for all sanctions - it’s not against sanctions, but it seems that only someone else should start first.
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 2 February 2016 20: 08
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          If the people said (and did) definitely not to buy, then re-export from Belarus would cease by itself.
          The overall result is that retail chains respond to the needs of consumers, and consumers have a cognitive dissonance. for all sanctions - it’s not against sanctions, but it seems that only someone else should start first.

          I agree completely. It is much easier to spit in the side of Belarus and make a mess that, behold, Lukashenka ... so and so ... "grows" oysters and other sanctioned product ... And few people will use the brain))), that the leaderships of the countries are on the side, and those who are behind the retail chains rule. And so they just negotiate with certain structures in Belarus for these supplies, such as those that have been processed. I remember very well when "businessmen" from Russia approached a company I know and offered to negotiate with chicken producers to put their equipment at the end of the line, which, before freezing the carcass, pumped it ... with water !!! And how did the pork in half carcasses come from Poland and the labeling changed to Belarusian at the meat processing plants? So curb your ardor, caps, governments by governments - they are there ... at the top, by themselves, but real business knows its business. And the colleague wrote correctly - declare the people a 100% boycott of the sanctioned goods and everything will fall into place by definition. Is it real? I am very much summed up)))
      2. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 3 February 2016 11: 15
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Belarus is strongly tied to the "production" of oysters, salmon and other imported foreign crap, which is bought for dollars and euros. It’s easier for them to switch to import substitution.

        For reference - http://news.tut.by/economics/483213.html
        But it’s not clear why you got so fooled about Belarusian oysters. request Do not have time to reach Altai? So Moscow is on the way, and, as you know, it is a completely separate state from the rest of Russia, or what? repeat
    7. Olfred
      Olfred 2 February 2016 13: 06
      +5
      met 2 muddy muddy muddy laughing hi
    8. Lex.
      Lex. 2 February 2016 20: 24
      +2
      Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy. Belarus is calculated for gas and oil in dollars What is it stirring up?
    9. Lex.
      Lex. 2 February 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy. Belarus is calculated for gas and oil in dollars What is it stirring up?
    10. Douglas
      Douglas 3 February 2016 02: 45
      +1
      . We had to work with Russia for a long time and demand from them that they pay us in hard currency - in dollars or euros.
      Considering that he said this in 2014, he didn’t succeed. Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy.

      My friend, do not rush to conclusions. He says this because you don’t take Russian currency for the oil and gas that we buy from you. I can’t understand why?
      And about, muddy, so I don’t see any dregs here. Here Putin is catching up dregs.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 February 2016 06: 47
    +3
    But father to such an extent has muddied his position towards Russia, that only you wonder! Two chairs beneath him swing more and more.
    But the law of physics will fall!
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 February 2016 07: 00
      13
      Quote: aszzz888
      But father to such an extent has muddied his position towards Russia, that only you wonder! Two chairs beneath him swing more and more.
      But the law of physics will fall!

      dad does not fall down and he understands this perfectly. This is the only corridor linking Russia with the West (land). Russia is now in addition to Ukraine to lose Belarus as well - let’s not choose a word.
      The Old Man understands this very well and will continue to play on it, and after removing the sanctions from the West, he generally imagines himself to be the center of Europe.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 2 February 2016 08: 51
        +2
        Ukrainians also imagined themselves the center. Question cent what?
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 2 February 2016 09: 20
          +3
          [quote] [/ quo Kent0001 (2) RU Today, 08:51 ↑ New
          Ukrainians also imagined themselves the center. Question cent what? Te]

          I think that the center of the pile of crap that they themselves have tricked, and are trying to pull Russia into this pile.
      2. avt
        avt 2 February 2016 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        dad does not fall down and he understands this perfectly. This is the only corridor linking Russia with the West (land). Russia is now in addition to Ukraine to lose Belarus as well - let’s not choose a word.

        laughing “He walked through the corridor and finished with a wall, it seems.” This is us in Russia, already SLY-SHA-LEE! From Ukraine and specifically, the political scientist Pogrebinsky, who just now hysterical about the fact that Donbass, like Crimea, cannot leave then, without the Russians, the remaining population will be reduced to specific raguli. So after the first Maidan, This contra - Rudik Wallner shocked us with a message .. "Pogrebinsky then Kiselyov, well, the current" mouthpiece of the Kremlin ", so Pogrebinsky rubbed him about the role of Ukraine in the form of a bridge connecting Russia with Europe. Kiselyov then cut it beautifully - “Well, yes. We have money for the bridge and the construction of the bridge, and from you - the river. "
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 2 February 2016 21: 42
          +1
          He went through a corridor and ended with a wall. It seems
          But the Old Man is not eternal and who will replace him with some sort of new Shushkevich, the reversal will be 180
      3. andj61
        andj61 2 February 2016 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        dad will not fall and he understands this perfectly. This is the only corridor connecting Russia with the West (land)

        Over now, Poland has not been able to agree on the mutual issuance of permits for truck trips through the Ministry of Transport. Result: Polish and Russian wagons do not go, and Belarusian wagons without problems! bully But with regard to the only corridor - this is not so. And Ukraine - by the way, we agreed with it - and the Baltic states are quite a normal transport corridor.
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 February 2016 11: 04
          0
          Quote: andj61
          Over now, Poland has not been able to agree on the mutual issuance of permits for truck trips through the Ministry of Transport. Result: Polish and Russian wagons do not go, and Belarusian wagons without problems

          So it flies to Egypt and Turkey without problems, and (I heard, I don’t know the truth or not) --- the price includes a flight from Moscow (St. Petersburg) to Minsk and beyond.
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      4. AlexW
        AlexW 3 February 2016 20: 01
        0
        "The only corridor .. :)))" As if, at the exit from this corridor, "fraternal and friendly" Poland awaits Russia with open arms. :)) And how many other corridors are there in Europe?
    2. Svetoch
      Svetoch 2 February 2016 07: 16
      0
      Old Man generally virtuoso to sit not even on two, but on three or more chairs.
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 3 February 2016 20: 04
        -1
        Yanukovych was also a big fan of sitting on two chairs. He was dangling, he asked for the same high chair in Rostov.
    3. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 3 February 2016 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Two chairs beneath him swing more and more.
      But the law of physics will fall!

      Yeah, from July 10, '94, everyone sways and sways, sways and sways ... laughing And who knows, whether the chairs are strong, or he changes them when no one sees, or the laws of physics are crooked like Karelian birch.
      Calm down guys look at your governors and ... calm down what
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 3 February 2016 20: 24
        0
        Quote: SMikhalych
        Quote: aszzz888
        Two chairs beneath him swing more and more.
        But the law of physics will fall!

        Yeah, from July 10, '94, everyone sways and sways, sways and sways ... laughing And who knows, whether the chairs are strong, or he changes them when no one sees, or the laws of physics are crooked like Karelian birch.
        Calm down guys look at your governors and ... calm down what

        Gaddafi 32 years sitting on the throne. And how he sat! I didn’t run around the world with an outstretched hand, I was distributing money. Oil is flooded. Almost communism was built by its Jamahiris. So what? What did you finish? Not well, of course, where did he go to But father :)
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 February 2016 07: 06
    -1
    Judging by Lukashenko’s statements over the past year, he himself is not against lubricating the skis. All yours and ours, on two stools then sit-as if the priest had not cracked ...
  4. saper2463
    saper2463 2 February 2016 07: 06
    +2
    The formula for not serving the American economy is simple.
    A stable exchange rate in which there is a turnover, i.e. stable ruble exchange rate.
    With the same pace of work of the Central Bank and MICEX, with such volatility (a beautiful word replacing the word chaos from the lips of economists), grandmothers in the market will soon weigh seeds for dollars ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 2 February 2016 07: 41
      0
      Quote: saper2463
      The formula for not serving the American economy is simple.
      A stable exchange rate in which there is a turnover, i.e. stable ruble exchange rate.

      If the oil price trend continues, then we can expect a devaluation of the national currency to 200 r. for a dollar.
      1. Homo
        Homo 2 February 2016 08: 12
        +2
        Quote: sa-ag
        If the oil price trend continues, then we can expect a devaluation of the national currency to 200 r. for a dollar.

        Is this your blue dream?
      2. atalef
        atalef 2 February 2016 08: 22
        +3
        Quote: sa-ag
        Quote: saper2463
        The formula for not serving the American economy is simple.
        A stable exchange rate in which there is a turnover, i.e. stable ruble exchange rate.

        If the oil price trend continues, then we can expect a devaluation of the national currency to 200 r. for a dollar.

        I don’t think so. oil alone is not enough for such a fall.
        This can happen only if due to the discontent of the population. the government will launch a system of compensation and indexation and promote inflation.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 2 February 2016 09: 10
          0
          Quote: atalef
          I don’t think so. oil alone is not enough for such a fall.
          This can only happen if due to the discontent of the population. the government will launch a system of compensation and indexation and promote inflation.

          The budget is coordinated at $ 50 per barrel, if the price fluctuates lower, then there will most likely be sequestration and devaluation in order to somehow implement the adopted programs
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 February 2016 07: 41
      +6
      Quote: saper2463
      The formula for not serving the American economy is simple.

      Economic geniuses, as always sitting on the Internet. Maybe you go to the government to work?
      1. saper2463
        saper2463 2 February 2016 09: 34
        +5
        Hello. You cut out a portion of the phrase from the general context. I’m talking about the fact that more than one sensible leader of his country will not trade with us in rubles, in connection with the current situation. And the phrase about the formula is taken from the commented article.
        A conversation about trade between the two countries in rubles can only be resumed after a long time of a stable ruble! Here is the main point of my comment
      2. saper2463
        saper2463 2 February 2016 09: 51
        +1
        Yes, and in the government I will someday work)
      3. andj61
        andj61 2 February 2016 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: saper2463
        The formula for not serving the American economy is simple.

        Economic geniuses, as always sitting on the Internet. Maybe you go to the government to work?

        Greetings, Alexander! hi
        Should this phrase be regarded as sarcasm, or is it still a real sentence? repeat
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 February 2016 07: 07
    +1
    "But father" has long deserved a "mirror" policy. It's time for Russia to demand to provide it with preferential loans, to support pro-Russian politicians (after a visit to Kiev), etc.
  6. Minstrel
    Minstrel 2 February 2016 07: 14
    14
    I don’t know about Russia, but Luka still strives to grease his skis with Ukrainian bacon and wrap them on the "European" ski track. But to wrap it in a peculiar way - so that, therefore, one leg is on the "European", and the other - on the Russian. I live in the Brest region. and goods "made in 404" we have at least heaps. Yes, and various stupid (to put it mildly) comrades who want the EU and lace panties have increased. Moreover, the logic is the same as that of the 404s: Europe, immediately after joining it, will pour benefits from the cornucopia, and it will come "more often" at once. Nothing they, stupid, someone else's experience does not teach.

    PS And yes, stop already calling him "dad". To whom is he "dad"? To your people? But no, he is spreading rot on the people of Belarus. We do not have time to track the introduction of new monetary levies. And in other areas of life ... The impression is beginning to be created that we are living in the beginnings of a fascist state. And most importantly, there is no alternative to it. Among his entourage, he removed smart people long ago. And among the oppositionists there is only one "shaise" (God forgive me, in a kind German word).
    1. Riv
      Riv 2 February 2016 07: 52
      +1
      Practice shows that if a skier occupies two skis, then two skis will necessarily enter his ass.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2016 07: 17
    +6
    Despite the fact that more often the policies of the union state .. Union state, lately sounds like sarcasm ..
  8. itr
    itr 2 February 2016 07: 19
    +8
    Interestingly Dmitry Anatolyevich put on a helmet to look higher?
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 2 February 2016 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: itr
      Interestingly Dmitry Anatolyevich put on a helmet to look higher?

      No, he has a helmet under his helmet from which they say what to say lol
  9. Riv
    Riv 2 February 2016 07: 47
    +7
    Did Medvedev do something useful? I DO NOT BELIEVE !!! 111
    1. avt
      avt 2 February 2016 10: 40
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      Did Medvedev do something useful? I DO NOT BELIEVE !!! 111

      recourse What pessimist you are, however ..... You have to dream! laughing
  10. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 2 February 2016 07: 49
    0
    All economic issues with the Old Man must be addressed in parallel with the deployment of our Air Force base in Baranavichy.
  11. qwert
    qwert 2 February 2016 08: 23
    +5
    Lukashenko is right. He is the president of Belarus and should think about the interests of Belarus. But we do not require Putin to take care of, for example, Moldova or Kyrgyzstan to the detriment of Russian interests? So it’s not worthwhile to demand from Lukashenko that he put the interests of Russia above the interests of Belarus.
    1. noWAR
      noWAR 2 February 2016 08: 41
      -5
      Let the "multi-vector" answer at least for his words. am
      Tongue scratching is so much better than a friend of a chocolate petit.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 2 February 2016 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: noWAR
        Let the "multi-vector" answer at least for his words.
        Tongue scratching is so much better than a friend of a chocolate petit.

        And what is said contrary to his policy and how should he answer for his words that do not offend anyone? Our language is also scratched more than concrete things are done. They are talking about import substitution for the third year, and there is no sense in these words. Lukashenko clearly understands that only in alliance with Russia can Belarus provide economic stability and military security. What's so bad about that? In Belarus, industry and agriculture are working, and in our country they are only trying to do pathetic attempts. Old Man, too, set up all sorts of conditions and demand from him. Why should he always play giveaways? He has the right to count on equal cooperation, Belarus without Russia cannot exist, but Russia is unlikely to exist without Belarus.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 February 2016 16: 47
          -2
          fewer people live in Belarus than in Moscow. why these antics of independence do not understand.

          Let there already be a Belarusian region of the Russian Federation

          A country cannot be independent with so many people. This is ridiculous.

          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 2 February 2016 17: 56
            0
            And about the impossibility of Russia without Belarus is also ridiculous.

            On the contrary, yes. Belarus would be quickly distributed among neighbors. And it’s so dangerous, a bear with a vigorous club - who knows what he’ll wander into his head in case of an act of aggression against Belarus

            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 4 February 2016 10: 13
              -2
              who minus the post about the number of inhabitants of Belarus and about the impossibility of an independent country with a population of several districts of the city of Moscow - minus yourself

              If you think that such a country has a place on the map and its own independence, then you are no less tenable than ruins.

              Although Ukraine has a small chance to be independent due to the access to the sea and the 40 millionth population, Belarus has 0 chances.

              Either with us, or under NATO.



  12. vasek5533
    vasek5533 2 February 2016 08: 25
    15
    Belarus sought to get away from $ and traded with Russia for rubles, Russia also seemed to be against $ and therefore sold energy for $.

    Propagandist Author Volodin Alexey talking about “The Belarusian leader considered the argument that the Republic of Belarus pays the Russian Federation for energy in dollars”, as about something inadequate, forgetting to explain that Belarus bought energy resources in Russia, conditionally, for 150 billion rubles, and sold goods, for example, for 150 billion rubles. The ruble exchange rate was lowered by 2 times, as Belarus was selling at 150 billion, it remained. The price of energy remained 150 billion? and nichrome, it’s in $. So Lukashenko has no choice.

    It becomes disgusting to read the Russian press as well as the Khokhlyatsk press.

    ps For those who write about loans for Belarus, how about help. Do they give you a loan at the bank? Why don’t you take them in 10 pieces? Do you need to repay the loan + interest? You do not want bankers to live at your expense? Well, remember this, the next time you clap on the clave about a loan for Belarus. Belarus repays all loans with interest, and has paid and will pay Russia more than it took. Everything is relative, remember about loans to Ukraine.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 2 February 2016 09: 14
      +5
      Quote: vasek5533
      Propaganda Author Alexey Volodin speaks of “By argument, the Belarusian leader considered that Belarus pays the Russian Federation for energy in dollars,” as something inadequate
      That's why he is a propagandist. Often published in VO of his article, where he exposes Old Man in negative. The author is talented and competent, but in my opinion, in politics he is not too strong. Or someone else fulfills the order.
    2. avt
      avt 2 February 2016 10: 38
      0
      Quote: vasek5533
      Belarus sought to get away from $ and traded with Russia for rubles, Russia also seemed to be against $ and therefore sold energy for $.

      laughing Campaign missed a lot in life and are not going to catch up. Vaapche oil is only traded in dollars. This is a great achievement, honestly, without the rivalry of the Brighton Woods system and America as a whole, so to blame your own ignorance
      Quote: vasek5533
      It becomes disgusting to read the Russian press as well as the Khokhlyatsk press.

      I do not recommend, although of course sometimes they give out rare ravings, but much less often and certainly not comparable with the Great Ukrainian media.
      1. andj61
        andj61 2 February 2016 10: 54
        +2
        Quote: avt
        . Vaapche oil is only traded in dollars. This is a great achievement, honestly, without the rivalry of the Brighton Woods system and America as a whole, so to blame your own ignorance

        Firstly, not only in dollars, but also in euros, yuan, pounds - however, not too much. And while no one and nothing prohibits trading in oil not in dollars - just exchange quotes are in dollars, it is somewhat more convenient, currency fluctuations against the dollar are leveled.
        And when trading with Belarus, does anything prevent you from trading oil and gas for rubles? what Absolutely nothing prevents! And to compensate for fluctuations in exchange rates, bills can be issued at least daily.
        1. avt
          avt 2 February 2016 11: 14
          0
          Quote: andj61
          Firstly, not only in dollars,

          Yah ! laughing Because of that, all so greedily clinging to TV screens, I swallow "summaries" of the current trading in air - futures of the New York Stock Exchange - the main casino that determines the price in the USA Reichstaller? No, then of course you can count it even in Mongolian tugriks. laughing Comforting yourself that
          Quote: andj61
          just stock quotes are in dollars, it's a little more convenient,

          laughing How, by the way, is the exchange in St. Petersburg? Well, at least gas is sold for rubles, as some would like to, are they trading? wassat Yes - lastly, why are they so worried about Brand oil? Do not know ? I don’t know either, it’s like we don’t trade it ... only its cost is taken into account in the formula for determining the price of gas - “our everything.” So in fact, ALL hydrocarbons are traded in $ USA, which again confirms.
          Quote: avt
          This is a great achievement, honestly, without the rivalry of the Brighton Woods system and America as a whole

          With which she won’t part without a fight. It’s cheaper than anyone who wants to go out, burn in a nuclear fire. That's what prevents trading for rubles - you can trade, but you will recalculate all one through the dollar, taking into account the exchange rate difference and TWO currencies. And everything would be okay, when it’s stable, you can also raise a gesheft in the form of a percentage when converted to the national currency, but when everything jumps in a day .... request But Butska howled - let's get it in $, but most of them have NO to buy them. For small players in the market - the poker table of this casino is an ass. Stupidly there are no pennies for playing wild, American poker.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 2 February 2016 11: 17
            +2
            Quote: avt
            and why are you so worried about brand oil?

            Brent, a mixture of five Norwegian fields, light oil, low sulfur, the standard for all other brands
            1. avt
              avt 2 February 2016 17: 13
              0
              Quote: sa-ag
              Brent, a mixture of five Norwegian fields, light oil, low sulfur, the standard for all other brands

              Estessno that this "nonsense" is derived precisely as a standard, as a piece called a meter, which in Paris has been a measuring standard since time immemorial, but is estimated at $ with the announcement of the current price in the city of New I-and-Iyerke, it depends from some kind of futures / future crap, such as depending on some Bloombergs, announcing different differences about stocks and prospects, having nothing with the REAL economy and the consumption of this very Brenti wassat
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 February 2016 23: 27
      +5
      Well done Lukashenko! First, it is gaining loans in Russia, and then to repay Russian loans it requires new loans from Russia.
      In 2007, Russia provided Belarus with a loan of $ 1,5 billion for a period of 15 years.
      In 2008, Russia provided Belarus with a loan of $ 2 billion.
      In November 2011, the governments of Russia and Belarus signed an agreement to provide a state export loan of up to $ 10 billion for the construction of the Belarusian nuclear power plant.
      On September 16, 2014, D. Medvedev signed an order granting Belarus a loan of 1,55 billion.
      In 2015, Belarus will have to pay $ 4 billion on external debt. In total, according to the National Bank of Belarus, the country owes $ 40,1 billion to creditors (52,8% of annual GDP). In 2014, external debt increased by $ 440,3 million, or 1,1% of GDP. Due to operations (reflected in the balance of payments), external debt increased by $ 2,6 billion, due to exchange rate and cost revaluations, on the contrary, decreased by $ 2,4 billion. According to the National Bank, gold and foreign exchange reserves amount to $ 5 billion, in 2014 they decreased by $ 1,6 billion, including in December - by $ 760,8 million ”(Vedomosti).
  13. qwert
    qwert 2 February 2016 08: 26
    +3
    Quote: itr
    Interestingly Dmitry Anatolyevich put on a helmet to look higher?

    No, to be smarter. But it did not help)
  14. midivan
    midivan 2 February 2016 08: 41
    +2
    Washington could only applaud from such decisions of the "Eastern partners" ... And it still applauds - a fraction of the American dollar in the trade interaction of the Russian Federation and Belarus
    Yes, they applaud not only Phashington, no less applause is also dedicated to our politicians and friends standing from their own cockroaches yes
  15. Voice of the Mind
    Voice of the Mind 2 February 2016 08: 53
    +1
    Washington is still applauding - the share of the American dollar is not going to decline during the trade interaction between Russia and Belarus

    It is unlikely that the calculations are in dollars. Rather, in conditions of hyperinflation of both currencies, there is simply a link to the dollar.
    Otherwise, the one who has more inflation and who has more respite has a winning attitude towards the partner.
    So everything is OK
  16. cap
    cap 2 February 2016 09: 02
    +2
    “I would like to hope that at the negotiating table in Minsk in the format of the Supreme State Council of the Union State, representatives of Russia and Belarus will still find the formula that will allow us not to serve the American economy, but to work on improving our own economy and reducing the degree of mutual complaints and grievances, which are far from not only economic pragmatics, but also from the very principle of finding two countries in a real Union State. ”

    Do not be offended by Volodin's conclusions; he draws the correct ones, without irony and sarcasm. Hopefully, like us, all that a solution will be found.
  17. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 2 February 2016 09: 32
    +3
    Distance is measured in meters, time in seconds, the cost of goods and services is in money. It is clear that this is possible only if the units of measurement are stable. Russia and Belarus should have either a stable exchange rate of their currencies, any common currency. Since there is neither one nor the other, you have to trade through foreign currency. The most stable modern currency is the dollar. Its stability, in particular, is supported by the purchase of US debt by other states. Therefore, trade in nat. currencies - this is only a good wish and nothing more. The union state of Russia and Belarus is similar to a civil marriage: it seems to be together, and the obligations are written with a pitchfork on the water.
    1. saper2463
      saper2463 2 February 2016 10: 09
      +1
      Here is a sober look at this situation. Totally agree with you.
  18. Deniska999
    Deniska999 2 February 2016 10: 02
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Single currency ? and where is the emission center? In Minsk ?
    One currency - one Central Bank. and this is a loss of statehood.

    Well why. Two centers can be opened - in Minsk and Moscow.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 February 2016 10: 13
      +1
      look at the course of the bunny.
    2. andj61
      andj61 2 February 2016 10: 40
      +1
      Quote: Deniska999
      Quote: atalef
      Single currency ? and where is the emission center? In Minsk ?
      One currency - one Central Bank. and this is a loss of statehood.

      Well why. Two centers can be opened - in Minsk and Moscow.

      Then in Minsk they will print rubles just as much as they want. And already two countries will suffer from this ... request
    3. avt
      avt 2 February 2016 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: Deniska999
      Well why. Two centers can be opened - in Minsk and Moscow.

      laughing I even know two specific addresses in Moscow for the personnel of these centers. Well, the choice is Kashchenko, or the Sierpsky Institute. There specifically with this diagnosis - schizophrenia, they accept.
  19. nord62
    nord62 2 February 2016 10: 13
    -14 qualifying.
    How we, ordinary Belarusians, are tired of all this .... Lukashenka is a protege of Russia, it would have been Russian political will - long ago he would have been in charge of a farm on which collective farm ... So it is beneficial for the (Russian) authorities to support him, and not put on him the place of someone adequate. And therefore, all these supposedly "analytical and judicious articles" are nothing more than a mouse fuss over a crust of bread.
    1. andj61
      andj61 2 February 2016 10: 47
      +8
      Quote: nord62
      How all of us, ordinary Belarusians, are tired of it .... Lukashenko is a protege of Russia, if there would be Russian political will - how long would he manage the farm on which farm ....

      In the late 90s, in the era of the late Yeltsin, Lukashenko was really popular in Russia, he really could be quite democratically elected to the post of president of a united state. And Russia slowed down the integration process, clearly fearing Lukashenko. And after 2004, Lukashenko was already slowing down - he should be more comfortable as an independent state than as a pensioner in a united state. But he was never a protege of Russia. Russia always deals with the leadership of the state and is not involved in the overthrow of existing regimes. This may not be entirely correct, but it is. And Ukraine - the Yushchenko regime, and the current one, and Georgia - the Saakashvili regime after 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, and indeed relations with all neighbors only confirm this. Change of power is the business of the people of the respective country, and not of Russia at all.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 2 February 2016 20: 07
        0
        "Change of power is the business of the people of the respective country, and not of Russia at all."

        Better say that the current leadership of Russia is so impotent in this matter that the only thing left is to flaunt the stupid idea of ​​"not overthrowing existing regimes"
        1. andj61
          andj61 2 February 2016 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: Former Combat
          "Change of power is the business of the people of the respective country, and not of Russia at all."

          Better say that the current leadership of Russia is so impotent in this matter that the only thing left is to flaunt the stupid idea of ​​"not overthrowing existing regimes"

          You can say that - it is a matter of taste and point of view. For example, I don’t think that it was a good idea to stop military equipment 20 km from Tbilisi in 2008. Or that in all elections it is necessary to support Lukashenko in this way - at least informationally.
          But this does not mean that I am right.
  20. Michael67
    Michael67 2 February 2016 11: 32
    +2
    Little Stroke: One red jacket (revolutionary smile ), the second - as an advertising campaign ...
  21. qwert
    qwert 2 February 2016 11: 57
    0
    It is strange that here they call Lukashenko muddy. Especially against the background of Medvedev.
    Here YES really muddy. And Old Man conducts a policy in the interests of Belarus. By the way, their pensioners live better than ours. This is real. And the second ... Who usually makes an idiot out of dad? That's right, Kiselev and a similar company. Is it worth it to believe. Or rather, is it worth it to take everything on faith what the well-fed, snickering leading people sitting on salaries of tens of thousands of dollars say? They then did nothing for Russian pensioners.
  22. serverny
    serverny 2 February 2016 13: 49
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lukashenko is muddy, too muddy.

    It seems that everyone agrees that it would be nice to really develop the Union State of the Russian Federation and Belarus.
    But why is the responsibility for the retardation of this process by fellow Russians rest entirely with Lukashenko?
    Or will you tell me that the economic block of the government of the Russian Federation not muddy ?
    So far, Medvedev and the company are obviously unable to cope with protecting the economic interests of their own country (only openly sabotage and pro-oligarchic decisions are made, the same toll roads, for example). After all, it is obvious that they will "care" even worse about the interests of the allies.

    TL; DR: Why do you demand Belarus to act in the interests of the Russian economy when the Russian government itself refuses to work in this direction?
    1. avt
      avt 2 February 2016 17: 22
      -2
      Quote: serverny
      It seems everyone agrees

      In a kind, number, case.
      Quote: serverny
      that it would be nice to really develop the Union State of the Russian Federation and Belarus.

      Yes, of course, It's better to be rich, but healthy and hug beautiful girls. " laughing But before disclosing - take the trouble to explain what exactly it is - "Sayuznaya gasudarstvo" ???? On the basis of what regulatory documents and under the leadership of whom and with what powers these who will steer in the leadership of this something. Then we will talk about
      Quote: serverny
      It seems everyone agrees
      But at the same time it will become clear who and what is slowing down, well, we get a clear answer
      Quote: serverny
      But why is the responsibility for the retardation of this process by fellow Russians rest entirely with Lukashenko?

      And so far, except for verbiage, nothing concrete is observed.
      Quote: User
      Regarding Poland and Lithuania, it’s ridiculous. Please, at least hint about what gingerbread cookies we are talking about.

      And you joke who and how many of your young are huddled by the same Poland, and on its territory - laugh out loud. Ours from "navalners" to "Yabloko" are also taken to these seminars both to Poland and the Baltic states.
  23. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2016 14: 24
    -7
    While politics is a concentrated expression of the oligarchic comprador economy, unification must be forgotten. It is impossible not to see that in such conditions in Belarus, the processes that began in Ukraine begin. Historically, Belarus is a part of Poland and Lithuania and from there they show gingerbread cookies.
    1. User
      User 2 February 2016 15: 44
      +4
      Differences between Belarus and the Russian Federation in terms of oligarchs only on the scale of these very oligarchs. Remember the saying about a log and a speck. This is sad, but they are both there and there.

      Regarding Poland and Lithuania, it’s ridiculous. Please, at least hint about what gingerbread cookies we are talking about.

      Sincerely.
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 February 2016 18: 12
        0
        I answer. Poland and Lithuania plus Latvia are the EU.
        I read regularly delfi.lt \ .lv
        They work with Belarus, and work systematically. If anyone prefers not to notice, this is his business.
        It is precisely the question of the "size of the oligarchs" (and not of their presence and the organization of power) that is important for some.
        And please calm down: I am expressing a personal point of view, and not "the general opinion of the people."
    2. bed111
      bed111 2 February 2016 19: 57
      +6
      Where did this fairy tale come from? Nobody shows any gingerbread from there. I don't see a damn thing in Minsk :-) Do you see? :-) Nothing from Poland or Lithuania. It already seems to you, out of fear for allied relations, or what? These two countries can least of all influence Russian-Belarusian relations. Historically, Poland and Belarus are states alien to each other for a long time. Between them there is only neat mutual vigilance, even in business relations. In Poland, of course, they are working with the Belarusian opposition, but these are projects of the European Union and the United States. There is not even any intelligible Polish lobby in Belarus, the "Union of Poles" in Belarus AHL and its KGB have long been dispersed. The same is with Lithuania. What are the gingerbreads from there, if the country is a beggar? You freak ... :-)
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 February 2016 18: 23
        0
        Answer.
        You, sitting in Minsk, will not see anything.
        I am not against the "Poles". However, Poland, like any state, pursues a policy that meets the interests of Washington, not Poland. That is why "sovereignty" is given to small countries, so that the "upper classes" can sell it for their own benefit.
        Moreover, I was not the first to notice that sovereignty in foreign policy and in the economy is severely limited. So much so that some "leaders" of much larger countries do not have it.
        Objectively, I see a lot in common between Belarus and Poland: both countries are transit countries and depend on prices for Russian raw materials and on exports to the Russian Federation.
        For allied relations, I am not afraid, because it is not part of my functional duties.
  24. vvp2412
    vvp2412 2 February 2016 15: 23
    +3
    Old Man is never a Belarusian ... He will give odds to any Jew and will deceive him anyway!
  25. ship
    ship 2 February 2016 16: 37
    +1
    A stupid article and a little dumb as if.
    "I would like to hope that ... they will nevertheless find the formula that will allow not to serve the American economy, but to work on improving our own economy and on reducing the degree of mutual claims and grievances ..."
    One needs to search for a formula and that's it, the whole problem is in the formula, and not in the economies of Russia and Belarus.
  26. sgg
    sgg 2 February 2016 18: 38
    +3
    Why is our prime all pasted with advertising? Not enough salary?
  27. bed111
    bed111 2 February 2016 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    dad does not fall down and he understands this perfectly. This is the only corridor linking Russia with the West (land). Russia is now in addition to Ukraine to lose Belarus as well - let’s not choose a word.
    The Old Man understands this very well and will continue to play on it, and after removing the sanctions from the West, he generally imagines himself to be the center of Europe.


    Here, in general, everything is simple. There is a lot that they write but the main thing, as if no one notices. Probably, the Russian government would not give loans to Belarus if Lukashenko was not profitable for him. I will say why. Lukashenko clings to Russia, because he is given loans here. And the one who comes in his place, what will he do? That's right: no one knows. Maybe we can put the country under America, the opposition can surrender. So, right in Moscow argue. You never know what? We give money and let him sit.
    And the article is not competent. Far from the truth.
  28. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 2 February 2016 22: 30
    -1
    Quote: serverny
    TL; DR: Why do you demand Belarus to act in the interests of the Russian economy when the Russian government itself refuses to work in this direction?

    Explain!
  29. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 2 February 2016 22: 46
    +1
    Quote: bed111
    Here, in general, everything is simple. There is a lot to write about, but the main thing is as if no one notices. Probably, the Russian government would not give loans to Belarus if the old man were not profitable for him. I will say why. Lukashenko is holding on to Russia because he is given loans here. And whoever comes in his place, what will he do? That's right: no one knows. Maybe we’ll put a country under America, maybe the opposition will surrender. So, rightly in Moscow they argue. Is it not enough? Give money and let it sit.


    Good evening, I can’t agree. If they give loans, it doesn’t mean anything, it’s like a friendly hug that you can strangle. Before, Russia invested money. developed industry in the end remained an occupier. And now, following the example of partners, he gives a loan such a stranglehold that can be tightened at any time, And someone else comes in instead of Lukashenko, the loans will also pass by inheritance. Therefore, all the batons of the Old Man, I think, have a logical explanation and this is clearly not tyranny, and turbidity. Look at all the daddy's daddies, get away with it, sanctions from Russia should not be. and obviously not because they are afraid of losing an ally.
    It seems to me that Belarus and Budka are in such a position that it is very easy for the EU and Russia to arrange the Maidan.

    And about mutual settlements, in national currencies, I want to ask clever advisers and commentators about how long ago in Russia killed raccoons (UEs) were no longer used inside Russia.
  30. cergey51046
    cergey51046 2 February 2016 22: 48
    0
    With this "dad" I would not have any business. He's a mean kid.
  31. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 3 February 2016 00: 09
    +1
    All problems in relations between the two countries due to the fact that idioti are in power both there and there. The EU consists of a bunch of different countries that like earth and sky are in a cultural and linguistic sense, and then managed to agree on a single currency. Two close nations have been hiding the topic of the union state for more than a decade, and things are still there. About Ukrainians so I generally keep quiet.
    1. Nirvanko
      Nirvanko 3 February 2016 00: 12
      0
      Idioti and those who wrote the engine of this site. What for the word cut? Not only are you not communicating anything to the user, you are also trying to censor the literary word.
  32. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 3 February 2016 00: 18
    -1
    Quote: Minstrel


    PS And yes, stop already calling him "dad". To whom is he "dad"? To your people? But no, he is spreading rot on the people of Belarus. We do not have time to track the introduction of new monetary levies. And in other areas of life ... The impression is beginning to be created that we are living in the beginnings of a fascist state. And most importantly, there is no alternative to it. Among his entourage, he removed smart people long ago. And among the oppositionists there is only one "shaise" (God forgive me, in a kind German word).


    That's for sure. No need to give him any money. interrupted. He still has a refinery and Potassium, let them sell and there will be money smile
  33. rvn69
    rvn69 3 February 2016 00: 25
    +1
    Quote: Lex.

    But the Old Man is not eternal and who will replace him with some sort of new Shushkevich, the reversal will be 180

    So Lukashenko Junior is growing up.
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 3 February 2016 11: 30
      0
      Quote: rvn69
      So Lukashenko Junior is growing up.

      We joke about this:
      - How long will the AHL be the President of Belarus?
      - Here to Kolya (what is in the picture) and will be !!!
      wink
  34. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 3 February 2016 04: 10
    0
    While Lukashenko is in power, there will be no progress of the Union State, well, there is a single currency, etc. He is too domineering for this. But I don’t see a sane replacement either. One hope is that something can happen through the Eurasian Union.
  35. bed111
    bed111 3 February 2016 08: 52
    0
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    It seems to me that Belarus and Budka are in such a position that it is very easy for the EU and Russia to arrange the Maidan.

    No - "Maidan" is impossible here under Lukashenka. Nobody will give you money and cookies here. He will shoot the rebels without hesitation for a second. This is not Yanukovych, who allowed the seizure of weapons depots. Even if hired women with children go ahead of the demonstration, guess what will happen :-). You just can't imagine what a normal dictator is :-).
    And Lukashenka will not go to Europe! He is awaited by the court and the prison, because in his youth, in the heat of the struggle for power, he has done many things, ordered to kill a couple of his friends, several businessmen and politicians. Europe oversees this investigation and get into the hands of the local Themis, do not get dry out of it!
    So it is for Russia and valuable. By the fact that there is no other way for him, there is no way, and there can not be! Only with Russia and only forward! That's why they work with him ...
    The other, the new ruler, even more so, chosen democratically, will be much freer in choosing development options for Belarus. And who knows what he will choose. Especially if the choice to rush him will start, as now happens ...
  36. bed111
    bed111 3 February 2016 09: 05
    0
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    If they give loans, it doesn’t mean anything, it’s like a friendly embrace that can be stifled. Previously, Russia invested money. developed industry eventually remained occupier. And now, following the example of partners, he lends, such a noose, which can be delayed at any moment, And instead of Lukashenka, someone else will come, the loans will also be inherited. Therefore, all quirks of Batka have, I think, a logical explanation and this is clearly not tyranny, and turbidity.

    It's not very easy to get these loans. These are significant sums and the IMF, for example, does not give anything, demands market reforms from the Belarusian government. And here they cannot be carried out without changing the economic structure. And the change in the economic structure will entail political consequences for Lukashenka himself and his family. Consequently, it is easier for Lukashenka to take a loan from the Russian Federation, without changing anything in the country. Then this loan can be restructured, refinanced, prolonged, and payments can be postponed, emphasizing friendly ties and alliances. You can't do anything superfluous with the IMF, either pay on time or they will turn off Swift - and "hello".
  37. aviator1913
    aviator1913 3 February 2016 10: 31
    0
    WE have been working with Belarusians for a long time, since 2014 of the year, payments in dollars have been going on with their industrialists. All prices, like commercial offers, are also in dollars. So for 2 of the year, as in rubles, we are not working with them.

    Since part of the equipment and specials. The machines necessary for production in Russia have always been produced in Belarus, the price for us has risen significantly.