State tests of the Admiral Essen patrol ship launched

The press service of the shipbuilding enterprise “Yantar” (Kaliningrad region) distributed a message about the start of state tests of the second “Admiral Essen” patrol (project 11356). The decision on the beginning of the state tests was made by the chairman of the state commission for the acceptance of a warship built at the plant.

From the message press service Baltic Shipyard "Yantar":

At present, the commissioning team of the plant and the crew of the ship are preparing for the first launch at sea this week. State tests will last about a month, they will be held at the Baltic landfills fleet. The transfer of the patrol ship of the Russian Navy is scheduled for April 2016.

The Admiral Essen TFR was laid on the Yantar PSNZ 8 on July 2011 of the year, launched on the 7 in November on 2014 of the year, factory running tests began on 28 in October of 2015. Under two contracts signed with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Yantar plant builds a series of the six patrol ships of 11356 Ave., developed by JSC Severnoye Design Bureau.

The first patrol ship of the 11356 “Petrel” project was the Admiral Grigorovich, which was launched in March 2014. State tests of the ship "Admiral Grigorovich" have already been completed.

For reference: the guard ships of the 11356 project have a standard displacement of 3620 tons. Their crew is 180 people, to which up to 20 marines can be added. The autonomy of swimming is 30 days. Sailing range - up to 4850 nautical miles. Armament: "Caliber-NK" complex, A-190 "Universal" artillery, 2 × 6-30mm AU AK-630MZH, 2 × 2 533 mm DTA-53-956, etc. The ship could accommodate the Ka Ka-NNXX 27-31, XNUMX, XNUMX etc. X. Ka-xnumx.

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[GRDS]

Seven feet under the keel

[kil 31]

I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

[PSih2097]

Quote: keel 31

By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

Ranks 1 and 2, as for me, rank 3 is still not enough ...

[Sasha_Sar]

In terms of displacement and life (Project 1135 built in the 70s of the XX century) there is a ship of the second rank.

[NordUral]

It’s small, but good (to continue the modernization)! More to such kids. And you have to fight with gantomania. We are not an aggressor country, like the USA, our business is to defend our cities and villages. And the more such kids - the better. It is desirable with new means of air defense and missile defense, and with cruise missiles at sea targets.

[Pirogov]

It’s small, but good (to continue the modernization)! More to such kids. And you have to fight with gantomania. We are not an aggressor country, like the USA, our business is to defend our cities and villages. And the more such kids - the better. It is desirable with new means of air defense and missile defense, and with cruise missiles for naval targets .................................. .........................................
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....... Golden words fully support you! And lovers of more and more authentic need to think about the economy and remember that Russia does not print dollars!

[Marconi41]

Quote: Pirogov

Small, yes deleted

Whatever it was, but it's still the same, albeit a modernized 1135. It would be desirable if new weapons were not laid in the old hulls (according to the project), but it was built entirely new ships for new equipment. Initially, after all, 1135 is an anti-submarine patrol boat, and not a missile carrier, according to the project it differs little from the same Khokhlyat flagship hetman.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Marconi41

Initially, after all, 1135 is an anti-submarine patrol boat, and not a missile carrier, according to the project it differs little from the same Khokhlyat flagship hetman.

Has 8 calibers on board - why not a missile carrier? It is very different from 1135, in almost all respects - do not repeat this nonsense beyond the sea. The Indians would order an outdated ship from us, and even continue the series. It’s not comparable with the hetman - he doesn’t have any strike weapons at all, only Somali pirates can drive

[Marconi41]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Has 8 calibers on board - why not a missile carrier?

Maybe a bit late, but I will answer. For example, you bought a three-room apartment in the seismic zone, and you want to make a studio out of it, so that there is more space. You tear down the walls, expanding the apartment and you are bombarded with blocks in the next earthquake.
In order for calibers to fit there (1135), they do the same. Expand compartments. After all, the shock weapons of the usual 1135 (rocket torpedoes) were on the deck on the tank, and now the Gauges are inside.

[marlin1203]

Given the strike missile complex - just right.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: keel 31

I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

At the moment, this is generally the largest (apart from Gorshkov, which is a little larger) warship built in modern Russia, and not laid down in the USSR. Together with Grigorovich. Larger until built

[VP]

It seems that this guard is the size of a frigate. But battleships with aircraft carriers on the Black Sea are not needed. Moreover, the ship’s armament also includes an air group consisting of one helicopter pieces)

[dmi.pris1]

This is how to look .. Unfortunately the big ship (meaning the new cruiser) is not planned for the Baltic Fleet .. Actually, I thought that this guard would go to the Black Sea .. For comparison, the entire Admiral crew was registered on a vessel of about such a displacement ..

Quote: Kil 31

I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

[Dimontius]

That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!

[Wiruz]

That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!

In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wiruz

In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

And you are an optimist, comrade ...

[avt]

Quote: Wiruz

In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

Go to "Made by us", there they posted a photo of "Gren", it is quite possible to rename it to "Long-suffering", wrapped in chains in the floating dock so as not to run away. The campaign will be painted and demagnetized after a month or so.

[musorg]

And "Adm. Grigorovich" where did he hide?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: avt

Go to "Made by us", they posted a photo of "Gren", it is quite possible to rename it to "Long-suffering",

Better in "Savior on Spilled Blood." Leningraders know why (Rosenbaum sang about this).

[dmi.pris1]

Well, what can you say ... Well, at least shipbuilders will fill their hand ... But in general, this is certainly a shame ..

Quote: Wiruz

That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!

In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

[Kibl]

One minus, three years of construction for such a class of ships is a long time!

[Stirbjorn]

Not three years, but 5! Three years would be just fine

[gray smeet]

For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

[Wiruz]

For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

Do not push on the patient, please

[Alexey RA]

Quote: gray smeet

For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

24 corvettes with 4 launchers of "Chinese harpoons with additional acceleration", 1 * 8 launchers of "Chinese RAM", 1 * 76 mm AK-176, 2 * 30 mm and 2 * 3-324 mm TA.

[musorg]

That's it, riveted !!

[midivan]

Quote: gray smeet

For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

Well so Chinese and 10 times more than us and Nuka how to file only files

[kepmor]

Long talk? It, of course, is so ...
Although, if we compare it with "the foremost worker of our industry" - Chubais's RUSNANO, which for the same 5 years has not produced any sensible shit, except for Chinese bulbs, a water stimulator from "unknown to anyone nano-particles" and tags for fur coats, the result is more than impressive !
After all, the budgets of USC and RUSNANO are almost the same, but the "exhaust" is different!
Well, what can you do ... sss system, burn it with a blue flame ...

[Fregate]

Quote: kepmor

Although, if we compare it with the "leader of our industry" - Chubais's RUSNANO

Found something to compare. All the same, you need to equal the best, and not ....

[Ngauro]

that's just Admiral Essen,

[PSih2097]

Quote: NGAURO

that's just Admiral Essen,

Your suggestions???

[Aleksander]

Quote: NGAURO

that's just Admiral Essen,

Admiral Nikolai Ottovich von Essen -Best commander of the Baltic Fleet, an unsurpassed master of mine warfare, who proved that Russia is a world leader in this field. His minefields were defended by Petrograd in 1914, mining was carried out according to the same schemes in 1941, the German fleet bases in Danzig were blocked by mines, and dozens of German ships were lost on them. Died, having caught a cold on the bridge.
The son, Anthony Essen, the commander of a submarine, died in a military campaign in 1917.
The family is famous and worthy patriotic people of Russia.
By the way, Minister Grigorovich promised to name Essen, the largest and best ship of the Russian fleet.
Let his name be immortalized even in a guard ship.

[Taygerus]

Good news, good luck on the state. test seven feet under keel

[Wiruz]

Good news

But two years ago she would be just gorgeous

[sevsor]

We are looking forward to "Grigorovich" and "Essen" in Sevastopol!))

[Ngauro]

found by whose name the ship is called mlyn

[Mihalich17]

If everyone got you
And life didn’t get hurt
Be, comrade, stronger than steel,
Forgive everyone and smile! )))

[Ugrumiy]

And what's wrong with the name, a normal naval officer, commanded the cruiser Novik and the battleship Sevastopol. One of the few combat naval officers who showed themselves during the siege of Port Arthur.

[Wiruz]

Let me guess, you are not satisfied with Essen because it is not Ivanov / Petrov / Sidorov? Isn't it time for you, my friend, to do your homework?

[midivan]

Quote: Wiruz

Let me guess, you are not satisfied with Essen because it is not Ivanov / Petrov / Sidorov? Isn't it time for you, my friend, to do your homework?

didn’t guess, doesn’t suit Essen because he’s not NGAURO

[Alexey RA]

Essen did not please you? Hero of Port Arthur, commander of the last combat-ready EDB 1 TOE, commander of the Baltic Fleet in WWI.
I would understand if there were complaints about Grigorovich. Here he really had a very muddy story with the appointment of the Minister of the Navy and the lease of a private shop (which did not have a Charter and did not even hold a meeting of founders) of the State Admiralty in Nikolaev - with the immediate issuance of an order for LC and an advance payment. And no less muddy history with the Vickers firm.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Alexey RA

I would understand if claims were made according to Grigorovich. Here he really had a very troubled story with the appointment of the Minister of the Sea and the free rental of a private shop (which did not have a Charter and did not even hold a meeting of the founders) of the State Admiralty in Nikolaev - with the immediate issuance of an order for LC and an advance.

So for this it is necessary to give the order Look at what kind of shipyards they otrohali on state advances (there Vickers was ready to hang himself with envy) and remember how much later these private traders built battleships of the "Anperatritsa Mriya" type. Five-year plan in 4 years in capitalist terms and with excellent results.
Grigorovich showed himself very well in Port Arthur. A man of very great management who was able to arrange uninterrupted maintenance and repair of the Arthur squadron in the besieged city. Pay attention - ITOE is scolded for a lot, but there are practically no complaints about its "rear", and there was Grigorovich.
And again - you look at what Grigorovich was able to crank up as a naval minister (especially when compared with previous ministers) - he was able to push through the Duma financing, launched the construction of the ocean fleet ... So in vain you are against him like that, in my humble opinion

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And again - you look at what Grigorovich was able to crank up as a naval minister (especially when compared with previous ministers) - he was able to push through the Duma financing, launched the construction of the ocean fleet ... So in vain you are against him like that, in my humble opinion

Um ... he didn't do it. In fact, Grigorovich was only the "talking head" of the International Bank - the owner of "Russud" (which later absorbed his competitor - "Naval").
So this is not a victory of Grigorovich in the matter of building a fleet, but a victory of the International Bank in the issue of developing state money.

The victory of “Russud” is all the more significant because at that time this society neither actually nor legally existed. The company's charter was approved much later, and the first meeting of shareholders took place only on November 5, 1911. The construction of the plant had not yet begun. “At the time of issuing an order to Russud, burdocks were growing and cows were grazing on the site of the future shipyard,” said engineer Prokhorov, head of the technical department of Russud's board, to the Supreme Maritime Investigation Commission. The shipbuilding society does not exist yet, it is somehow inconvenient for private individuals ... Then, giving up on legal subtleties, they decided to write out an outfit addressed to the founders of the future and still non-existent society.

And how dashingly "Russud" was preparing a battleship project for the competition ...

“It was an unprecedented spectacle,” Filonenko told the Investigative Commission. - All the premises of the Shipbuilding Department of the Main Directorate of Shipbuilding were turned into a drawing room for the Russud. The design was carried out by engineers Korimaldi, Sosnovsky, who are officially at the Baltic and Admiralty factories of the Maritime Department; under their leadership, all the engineers and draftsmen of the Shipbuilding Department, headed by ship engineer Behrens, worked. , Traukhkom and others. Head of the Shipbuilding Department of the Main Directorate, Major General Pushchin, took part in the project, gave his advice. "

Is it any wonder that the project "Russud" won the competition for the BF for the Black Sea Fleet?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Alexey RA

So this is not a victory of Grigorovich in the matter of building a fleet, but a victory of the International Bank in the issue of developing state money

You are wrong:) Nevertheless, the main program for the construction of the Russian fleet was conducted in the Baltic and Russud had nothing to do with it. In addition, the St. Petersburg International Bank was quite a Russian entity (it was then commanded by Vyshnegradsky, the former son of Finance Minister Ivan Alekseevich Vyshnegradsky) and sent foreign capital to investment projects in Russia.
Well, for example, I bought this international bank ONZiV in 1912. Before that, this plant was French. What is bad?

Quote: Alexey RA

And how dashingly "Russud" was preparing a battleship project for the competition ...

But what's the difference, who was preparing the project? :) Only ONZiV and Russud could build battleships at the World Cup, so that without orders, the Russud did not shine under any layouts. But the project turned out not so bad - within the framework of the given TK, of course
But the most important thing is the result. At the World Cup, the last three large ships (Potemkin and Evstafii) were built for 8 and 7 years, respectively. "Maria" and "Ekaterina" were started with construction in July-October 1912, and in August-October 1915 they became part of the fleet. This is what matters :) And the Baltic battleships of the Sevastopol type - being laid down in 1909 there, before the appearance of Grigorovich, only imitated construction :))
In general, Grigorovich very much advanced the shipbuilding industry and its financing. And if at the same time I still haven’t forgotten myself ... well, Alexander Nevsky, according to rumors, the Novgorodians twice drove from the post of prince because of too arbitrary treatment of the treasury, but we don’t love him for that

[donavi49]

Well, they just figured out the frigates:
11356 - "Imperial" admirals
22350 - Soviet admirals

[dmi.pris1]

Why so much bile? .. Under the USSR, of course, the name of the naval commander was forgotten, after all the tsar's admiral, but he honestly served his homeland.

Quote: NGAURO

found by whose name the ship is called mlyn

[ratfly]

A power plant from old stocks or is it something new?

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: ratfly

A power plant from old stocks or is it something new?

on three ships managed to put Zorya-mashproekt. They paid for the remaining three, but the engines did not come, Ukraine introduced ssanctions.
It's a shame, and so the series would have passed quickly.

[kapitan92]

How fast is it? From bookmark to delivery to the fleet of "Admiral Essen" (2011-2016) five years. This is a bit too much. "..... Due to Ukraine's failure to supply gas turbine power plants for Project 11356 frigates, the fleet will abandon the last three ships of this type," Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, told reporters at the naval salon in St. Petersburg on July 1, 2015. instead of these three large ships, 18 small missile ships with cruise missiles of the new project 22800 will be built, and the lead ship will be laid down in 2016 ".....

[Primus pilus]

"Admiral Essen" in the future on the Black Sea wakes "Hetman Sagaidachny" to drive.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Primus Pilus-what to drive scrap metal that is likely to be welded to the pier so that no one sells? Go to the saiga and how to give in the country !!!

[Primus pilus]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

Primus Pilus-what to drive scrap metal that is likely to be welded to the pier so that no one sells? Go to the saiga and how to give in the country !!!

Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear.

[ratfly]

Sahaidachny will sink - and they will have an underwater fleet.

[cyberspace]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear.

"Getman" transferred to the submarine?

[lelikas]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear.

The Ministry of Defense Ruins, has already purchased the first batch of simulators, for submarine commanders - the future elite, the most independent fleet.

[midivan]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

approach the saiga and how to give in the country !!!

yeah, in the country of gunpowder, the rabbit is shorter to distribute to all of them bastards cottages and apartments it is desirable

[Marconi41]

Quote: Primus Pilus

"Admiral Essen" in the future on the Black Sea wakes "Hetman Sagaidachny" to drive.

The main thing is that the Ukrainians would not mess up anything, because they look very much reminiscent of each other. Both left the "mother" 1135.5

[dchegrinec]

It is not at all difficult for Russia with its sustained decisive foreign policy to create a condition where the lifting of sanctions by a number of countries will be just happiness for them. This is called peace enforcement. As they say do not want the economy, get problems. Syria is a great reason to force peace not only for terrorists , but also western patrons who were completely bored there overseas ..

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

And will he have a helicopter as standard or what?

[Wiruz]

Yes, it must be Ka-27 or Ka-31. Rather the first

[Konstantin Yu]

And in tow, you also need to attach a platform with "Calibers" ... so that there is enough for everyone)))

[Simon]

Quote: Primus Pilus

"Admiral Essen" in the future on the Black Sea wakes "Hetman Sagaidachny" to drive.

And what to drive him! He's already fun.

[silver_roman]

and what engines does he have?
timing is just

[Wiruz]

Engines seem to be from Independent For the first three engine managed to put

[silver_roman]

It was always interesting: but you can’t stupidly copy ukrov engines and not take a steam bath? the Chinese have been doing this for half a century and nothing.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: silver_roman

It was always interesting: but you can’t stupidly copy ukrov engines and not take a steam bath? the Chinese have been doing this for half a century and nothing.

The Chinese are doing a gas turbine engine under license. That is why they cannot sell them to us.

As for copying the Nikolaev engines - this is exactly what they are now doing. Moreover, they were only partly Ukrainian:

On the Russian side, NPO Saturn OJSC (responsibility zone - power turbine), NPO Avrora FSUE (GTE, diesel and unit control systems), Kolomensky Zavod OJSC (diesel engine) participate in the cooperation on the creation of the unit. on the part of Ukraine - GP NPKG "Zorya - Mashproekt" (turbocharger and gearbox). The tests are carried out on the basis of the Ukrainian state enterprise RPC "Zorya-Mashproekt", since there is no bench base for testing offshore gas turbine units in Russia yet.

The main problem is precisely that the only test bench in the USSR for marine gas turbine engines and all the specialists also remained in Nikolaev.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

At one time, the forum had an explanation of the specialist that stupidly copy will not work. There are complex compositions of metals with additives in detail, plus a complex production technology that must be meticulously reproduced, otherwise it will be completely different. Compare the engine resource of our fighter and its Chinese counterpart - several hundred and several tens of hours, respectively.

[kapitan92]

"..... The Ministry of Defense and the Russian government have set NPO Saturn (part of the United Engine Corporation, controlled by Rostec), the task of replacing the import of these Ukrainian engines, and earlier some officials said that this could be done by 2018 However, during the discussion of the problems of replacing the supplies of the Ukrainian enterprise, it was not possible to resolve the question of who would manufacture a number of mechanisms, and the installation of gas turbine units already produced by Saturn would require a redesign of the ship, says a manager of one of the enterprises of Rostec .. ...

[Wheel]

Quote: kapitan92

"..... The Ministry of Defense and the Russian government have set NPO Saturn (part of the United Engine Corporation, controlled by Rostec), the task of replacing the import of these Ukrainian engines, and earlier some officials said that this could be done by 2018 However, during the discussion of the problems of replacing the supplies of the Ukrainian enterprise, it was not possible to resolve the question of who would manufacture a number of mechanisms, and the installation of gas turbine units already produced by Saturn would require a redesign of the ship, says a manager of one of the enterprises of Rostec .. ...

Post-Soviet history shows that everything "Saturn" can reach can be safely recorded as failed projects.
But the saw in Rybinsk masterly master ....

[donavi49]

China does not have a full cycle, they hang in one series on the GE, the second on Zora, but there is a stand and good localization. However, key components are procured.

In India there is localization for example (a screwdriver and part of related systems) - but there is no stand.

In the Russian Federation there is documentation, there is a manufacturer of a number of engine components (the turbine was initially partially made in Russia), but there is no stand (initially 2020, now 17 has been limited operation for a year), there is no assembly site.

Everything basically rests on the Stand (without the stand you cannot configure and roll the engine) and the production line of those components that are produced only at Zora.

For 11356, everything is bad, because there the system is marching + boost turbines. In other words, he needs 4 turbines (2 kit), while for 22350 you need 2 turbines (1 kit) because there is a scheme of 2 diesel + 2 afterburner turbines. Given the fact that the first years of the turbine will be piece-wise (1-2 of a set per year) - and without turbines, they will already build 2x22350 (Golovko has already actually been built to a design maximum without key elements and is thinking how to make room, or to lower it and then a kama sutra toil in the 18-19 year, or roll away from the boathouse into the air).

[Alexey RA]

Quote: donavi49

China does not have a full cycle, they hang in one series on the GE, the second on Zora, but there is a stand and good localization. However, key components are procured.

In India there is localization for example (a screwdriver and part of related systems) - but there is no stand.

- Fish, let them make a gas turbine engine in India and put it on a stand in China.
“Admiral, did you collapse from the oak?” I won’t even pull it!
- Well then, let us by 2017 make a fully debugged domestic gas turbine engine!
- So ... what did you say there about the Indo-Chinese engine?

[Michael67]

Good news. Seven feet under the keel and fair wind on state trials!

[Wolka]

wonderful boat, let him always be 7 feet under the keel ...

[Wiruz]

wonderful boat

He would have been wonderful 10-15 years ago. Now it is outdated, like Gren! Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fend off anti-ship missiles; PLO - weak; RBU probably stuck only so that she did not gather dust in the warehouse; instead of the planned Broadswords, they put the AK-630 (I hope they will be changed to Shell-M over time); UKKS on 8 cells ... well, not bad, although they could have stuck more

[gispanec]

Quote: Wiruz

Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fend off anti-ship missiles; PLO - weak; They probably stuck RBU only so that it would not gather dust in the warehouse; instead of the planned Broadswords, they put the AK-630 (I hope they will be changed to Shell-M over time); UKKS on 8 cells ... well, not bad, although they could have stuck more

right now you wanted to stick in 4000 tons like in 8000? ... it's not a destroyer or a cruiser ... but just a guard missile ship ... it’s quite suitable for its tasks ...

[Wiruz]

right now you wanted to stick in 4000 tons like in 8000? ... it's not a destroyer or a cruiser ... but just a guard missile ship ... it’s quite suitable for its tasks ...

First: compare 11356 and 22350 (let's say that their VIs are equal).
Secondly: more than once on this site I raised the question of whether we need frigates? Corvettes 20380/20385/20386 can perfectly perform the functions of frigates in the near sea zone. We need one patrol ship - a corvette, one heavy missile - a destroyer / cruiser.

[gispanec]

Quote: Wiruz

We need one patrol ship - a corvette

strange you argue, because the corvette (2000tn) will fit even less than Grigorovich)) ...... what to do?

[Wiruz]

strange you argue, because the corvette (2000tn) will fit even less than Grigorovich)) ...... what to do?

You probably just didn't quite understand what I mean.
I suggest from the chain: multipurpose corvette - frigate - destroyer (atomic, ala-kirov), make: multipurpose corvette - destroyer (non-atomic, ala-Arly Burke / type 055).
So to say, one ship will serve near its native shores, primarily to seek out enemy submarines; the second is to carry out various tasks in the ocean zone, here the tasks are a kilometer.

It’s just, in my amateurish opinion, it’s stupid to build 12 nuclear-powered ships and 15-20 under-destroyer frigates. Better with this money to build 25-30 gas turbine destroyers VI about 11kt.

[DarkMatter]

it’s stupid to build 12 nuclear-powered ships and 15-20 under-destroyer frigates. Better with this money to build 25-30 gas turbine destroyers VI about 11kt.

It would be absolutely gorgeous, I don’t even dream about it
Although the Leaders then mortgage and mortgage everything, they improve and improve the project, they save money, save, they wait and wait for new weapons, you look there and the truth is still not laid down for new engines, and maybe something like this comes out, it would be good.

[Dart2027]

A frigate is a ship not of the near, but of the distant sea zone.

[g1v2]

Frigate 22350 is essentially a replacement for a non-nuclear destroyer. It replaces the buzzards and is capable of doing everything that they do. It’s just due to new technologies and project features that in the 80s they shoved in 6500-8000 tons now fits in 4500. And then the border of the 1st rank (5000 tons) is close. This is essentially our destroyer. It is 22350 that in the coming years will become the basis of our ocean fleet after the death of the last buzzards.
Corvettes 20385 and 20380 in my opinion are not corvettes. Corvette is 22160. He is the classic corvette ravine. And 22380 is a patrol ship of the near sea zone and is designed to PROTECT its shores and territorial waters. Therefore, it is designed with the condition of interaction with its coastal forces and facilities. And what is being built on a squadron of 6 pieces for the Baltic Fleet and Pacific Fleet determines their area of ​​application. 6 Baltic people - for the defense of Kaliningrad and 6 Pacific for the Kuril and Sakhalin. For the north, 20385 were already being built — slightly less ground for defense, but still defensive ships.
The destroyer leader is not a destroyer at all, but a full-fledged cruiser and a replacement for 1164 and 1144, that is, SHOCK STRENGTH of the SF, and later the Pacific Fleet. In my opinion, it will not be very massive and the main work in the ocean zone will be at 22350.
Pull out of the chain will not work because of the different purpose of the ships. The only superfluous link is just 11356, which were laid because they thought that they could be built very quickly. To the expected Maidan, which was expected in 2015 at the presidential elections in Ukraine, which were scheduled for this year, engines should have been received. However, either the mattresses made a tricky move, speeding up the Maidan for a year, or they screwed up, having a lot of problems, but everything happened earlier and we did not get the engines, which means that the second three 11356 in terms of receipt were equal to 22350. Honestly, it is doubtful that the sixth 11356 was laid specifically for our fleet, since there is no sense in this anymore.

[DarkMatter]

I have repeatedly raised on this site the question of how much we need frigates? Corvettes 20380/20385/20386 can perfectly perform the functions of frigates in the near sea zone. We need one patrol ship - a corvette, one heavy missile - a destroyer / cruiser

Well, a "patrol ship" and 15 days for 20380 are not quite matching things, you must agree =)
About the hodgepodge, which they just wanted to get rid of, only grows. But it’s not from a good life
In general, about the 20380 corvettes who just didn’t speak out, they didn’t really come out, one and a half pieces, crammed into a weapons cruiser, the engines do not pull all this stuff =)))
Here's the news about the Chinese, 24 pieces in 3 years! Yes, they are worse in weapons, but they don’t need to! they rub against the shore, who sticks in - will get so many missiles under the fifth point that they won't seem enough, but how many will launch one and a half of our 20380? Everything should be in moderation and based on tasks.
I would probably leave it like this - MRCs (2 projects work out), then their leaders (for the near zone will be some kind of Local Leaders) =)) corvettes 20380, then gatekeepers 11356 (4 pieces) and series 22160, far zone 22350 frigates ( in sufficient quantities) and something big still like Leaders.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Wiruz

Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fight off anti-ship missiles

36 actually. That is as much as 12 missiles less than that of the "British Okiyan destroyer Daring" "which, according to numerous opinions of foreign seals, is the best air defense system in the world. And which is a little ... quite a bit ... only twice as large as 11356. And which does not carry shock weapons.
The range, by the way, is the EMNIP of 40-50 km (they say about 70 km that there is a black spot in the source), but where is it more to him? This is not a missile cruiser, he does not attack the AUG.

Quote: Wiruz

PLO - weak

Well, Talvar have an in-hull GAS and a towed GAS, I believe that the 11356 is the same. And weapons ... up to 8 PLUR "Caliber", 533-mm torpedoes, a bomb ... You find such happiness in at least one American destroyer!

Quote: Wiruz

RBU probably stuck only so that she did not gather dust in the warehouse

Means of vocational training, plus, if desired, you can hammer on the shore in the manner of a MLRS

Quote: Wiruz

instead of the planned broadswords put AK-630

And who planned? Something did not happen to hear about it ... Maybe passed by me, so I'm interested

[Wiruz]

36 actually.

Do you need a calculator?

That is as much as 12 missiles less than that of the "British Okiyan destroyer Daring" "which, according to numerous opinions of foreign seals, is the best air defense officer in the world. And which is a little ... quite a bit ... only twice as large as 11356. And which does not carry shock weapons.

And Daring really beautiful air defense system. There are no shock weapons yet; there is an opportunity to equip them with the Tomahawks, but they don’t seem to be. And about the possibility of launching Storm Shadow missiles from installed Sylver cells, they have already stuttered more than once.

Well, Talvar have an in-hull GAS and a towed GAS, I believe that the 11356 is the same. And weapons ... up to 8 PLUR "Caliber", 533-mm torpedoes, a bomb ... You find such happiness in at least one American destroyer!

The bomb is superfluous here, as is the TA 533mm. It would be better if they delivered the packages. I can’t say anything bad about the PLUR 91RT - even in the export version it is better than the American counterparts. But GAS is weak, I meant it

And who planned? Something did not happen to hear about it ... Maybe passed by me, so I'm interested

From the very beginning there was infa about the installation of Broadswords on them. Then there was an article on VO, supposedly, what the hell they are changing on the AK-630

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Wiruz

Do you need a calculator?

Hmm, strange. Always wrote about 36, climbed into the Internet to watch photos - 11356 are not photographed anywhere from above ... military secret?

Quote: Wiruz

And about the possibility of launching Storm Shadow missiles from installed Sylver cells, they have already stuttered more than once

Then the missiles will be less than 48 :)

Quote: Wiruz

The bomb is superfluous here, as is the TA 533mm. It would be better if the packages were delivered

But which is better? You won’t get much from the Pl package, only fight off torpedoes

Quote: Wiruz

But GAS is weak, I meant it

And what is wrong with her? I don't know anything about GAS 11356

[Mareman Vasilich]

This ship is almost the same as project 1135. Now look on the Internet how many projects 1135 were built and how fast they were built. Get an answer to the question whether to cry from this news, or to laugh. Here they build India no more than three years.

[askort154]

Mareman Vasilich ..... Get an answer to the question, whether to cry from this news, or laugh. They build India for no more than three years.

Joseph Vissarionovich, more optimism! China and India did not destroy the latter
25 years. He himself once said - "Moscow was not built right away!"
In the meantime, we must rejoice in this.

[weis223]

As a person directly related to the Navy, I do not laugh, but rejoice in such modest successes. I cried in the 90s when they destroyed the fleet.
And due to what do you consider it possible to accelerate the construction of new ships? Show nevermind to the Indians? Well, except that in our country there is an excess of sources of replenishment of foreign exchange reserves ...

[cccr51]

Most of all I like the range of autonomous navigation of almost 9000 km

[Wiruz]

No, well, 4000 miles is almost a standard cruising range, both for ours and for "theirs" ships. As far as I know, the Guardian can also walk 4000 miles, although the supplies for 16 days will run out ...

[Wiruz]

How glad everyone is! All seven feet under the keel desire, proud. But are you upset by the fact that this ship was to be handed over to the fleet before the end of 2014? And before the end of 2016 they had to transfer the entire batch of six frigates. By the way, the sixth frigate of the series has not yet been laid.

But everyone is happy! Everyone has a "peremoga"! Moreover, since the Caliber is on board, so everything is - the wunderwaffle is straight, it also walks the seas

[gispanec]

Quote: Wiruz

How glad everyone is!

unlike you, a connoisseur of the sea, we are really happy about this ... of course it saddens the long construction and acceptance into the fleet, but fish are not interested in fishlessness and cancer .... I wonder why you are happy?

[Wiruz]

unlike you, a connoisseur of the sea, we are really happy about this ... of course it saddens the long construction and acceptance into the fleet, but fish are not interested in fishlessness and cancer .... I wonder why you are happy?

I will be glad when the commanders and their "confidants" begin to keep theirs! I think there is no point in reminding that и when They promised to build us over the past few years?
I will be glad when Chirkov is removed by inconsistency, so that he no longer carries nonsense about replacing frigates with small missile ones.

In general, in short, I will be glad when Russia has a normal, oceanic fleet, and a miserable parody of it.

PS: I will be glad when four stars are returned to the army generals and fleet admirals

[gispanec]

as I understood from your post, you are not at all happy that 2 of the 3 royal frigates will now be part of the Black Sea Fleet ?? or did I misunderstand?

[Wiruz]

as I understood from your post, you are not at all happy that 2 of the 3 royal frigates will now be part of the Black Sea Fleet ?? or did I misunderstand?

I am glad that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet. But I'm not glad that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet in 2016, and not in 2014 as they should.

[Fregate]

And the sixth one doesn’t make any sense, since even the 4th and 5th engines are located in Ukraine. Well, if only the Indians want these three themselves and agree with the Ukrainians on the engines.

[Wiruz]

And the sixth one doesn’t make any sense, since even the 4th and 5th engines are located in Ukraine. Well, if only the Indians want these three themselves and agree with the Ukrainians on the engines.

You don’t understand anything there. They say that Indians are sold, that they will finish building but with their engines

[Fregate]

Quote: Wiruz

You don’t understand anything there. They say that they are selling to the Indians, that they will finish building but with their request engines

Yes, even so, even so let it be. The main thing is that it does not happen that they put their engines and sell to the Indians.

[Veteran]

Gas turbine plants at Grigorovich, Essen and Makarov are of Ukrainian production, but the Rybinsk enterprise Turborus will be responsible for their maintenance.
Admiral N.O. Essen perfectly prepared the Baltic Fleet, its sailors, much inferior to the German fleet, for the 1 World War. The defense system of the Gulf of Finland created under his leadership on the basis of mine-artillery positions was too tough for the Kaiser fleet. On the night before the declaration of war, by his order, the first minefields were put up that blocked the entrance to the bay. Having convinced himself of the strength of his defense, Essen switched to the active operations of the fleet in the Baltic Sea - active mine operations at German ports, which began to face a commercial collapse in the Baltic Sea. It is unfortunate that an unexpected death cut short the life of this wonderful hard worker-admiral in 1915. The foundations of military service laid down by him and the defense system made it possible to defend Petrograd from the sea in October 1917, despite the general failure in the Moonsund battle. His name should be called a destroyer class ship.

[su navy]

"... the consummate master of mine warfare." In fact, the master of this case was S.O. Makarov.

[Gvozd]

How long it takes ... It feels like aircraft carriers and not frigates, or at least cruisers. just horror. On the Far East, the corvette has been laid down for 10 years, but here the corvettes seem to have been handed over poorly, but frigates of 5-10 from the bookmark cannot pass in any way. I'm already silent about the unfortunate "Lada". Well at least there are no failures with the Buyans. How are we going to fight in the ocean? Or will Boreas be fired from the pier?

[rotor]

Patrol ship "Admiral Grigorovich" on tests

[GSVG 86-88]

Essen is really a legend of the Russian fleet, respect and bow.

[max2215]

Well, we passed it, and thank God, there was a discussion - do we need aircraft carriers, with such a pace of construction, I think the question disappears by itself. But expressing great joy at what should have happened 2 years ago, it doesn't matter if, for example, a plumber is work came out. Sorry, but the work of shipbuilders consists in the fact that they have to build and launch ships, so if they had launched and accepted 3 instead of one, then there would have been "good news", and so the concussion of the air - look, not everything is stolen from us, little remains for the state.

[chunga-changa]

I am glad that there was at least some supply of surface ships. Now both 11540 projects will be under repair, and that will be their replacement in the SRDS. sea. So, BOD with SF and Pacific Fleet no longer needs to be constantly driven. So BOD will be able to engage in their immediate work without being distracted.

[Veteran]

In my opinion, you are somewhat mistaken: both patrol boats of pr. 11540 are being repaired at Yantar, which is being delayed due to the difficulties of repairing imported Ukrainian gas turbines. Maybe they will cope by the end of the year. "Grigorovich" is due to enter service in February, and "Essen" in April this year. But it is unlikely that these new ships will immediately drive to the BS in Mediterranean, the jambs will still be eliminated, a common thing.

[afrikanez]

Not a frail "watchdog", judging by the weapons.