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State tests of the Admiral Essen patrol ship launched

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The press service of the shipbuilding enterprise “Yantar” (Kaliningrad region) distributed a message about the start of state tests of the second “Admiral Essen” patrol (project 11356). The decision on the beginning of the state tests was made by the chairman of the state commission for the acceptance of a warship built at the plant.


State tests of the Admiral Essen patrol ship launched


From the message press service Baltic Shipyard "Yantar":
At present, the commissioning team of the plant and the crew of the ship are preparing for the first launch at sea this week. State tests will last about a month, they will be held at the Baltic landfills fleet. The transfer of the patrol ship of the Russian Navy is scheduled for April 2016.

The Admiral Essen TFR was laid on the Yantar PSNZ 8 on July 2011 of the year, launched on the 7 in November on 2014 of the year, factory running tests began on 28 in October of 2015. Under two contracts signed with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Yantar plant builds a series of the six patrol ships of 11356 Ave., developed by JSC Severnoye Design Bureau.


The first patrol ship of the 11356 “Petrel” project was the Admiral Grigorovich, which was launched in March 2014. State tests of the ship "Admiral Grigorovich" have already been completed.

For reference: the guard ships of the 11356 project have a standard displacement of 3620 tons. Their crew is 180 people, to which up to 20 marines can be added. The autonomy of swimming is 30 days. Sailing range - up to 4850 nautical miles. Armament: "Caliber-NK" complex, A-190 "Universal" artillery, 2 × 6-30mm AU AK-630MZH, 2 × 2 533 mm DTA-53-956, etc. The ship could accommodate the Ka Ka-NNXX 27-31, XNUMX, XNUMX etc. X. Ka-xnumx.
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  1. GRDS
    GRDS 1 February 2016 14: 14 New
    16
    Seven feet under the keel drinks
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 1 February 2016 14: 20 New
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      I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 1 February 2016 14: 26 New
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        Quote: keel 31
        By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

        Ranks 1 and 2, as for me, rank 3 is still not enough ...
        1. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 1 February 2016 17: 09 New
          +2
          In terms of displacement and life (Project 1135 built in the 70s of the XX century) there is a ship of the second rank.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 February 2016 18: 30 New
          +2
          It’s small, but good (to continue the modernization)! More to such kids. And you have to fight with gantomania. We are not an aggressor country, like the USA, our business is to defend our cities and villages. And the more such kids - the better. It is desirable with new means of air defense and missile defense, and with cruise missiles at sea targets.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 1 February 2016 18: 43 New
            +1
            It’s small, but good (to continue the modernization)! More to such kids. And you have to fight with gantomania. We are not an aggressor country, like the USA, our business is to defend our cities and villages. And the more such kids - the better. It is desirable with new means of air defense and missile defense, and with cruise missiles for naval targets .................................. .........................................
            .................................................. ..............................
            ....... Golden words fully support you! And lovers of more and more authentic need to think about the economy and remember that Russia does not print dollars!
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 2 February 2016 03: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Pirogov
              Small, yes deleted

              Whatever it was, but it's still the same, albeit a modernized 1135. It would be desirable if new weapons were not laid in the old hulls (according to the project), but it was built entirely new ships for new equipment. Initially, after all, 1135 is an anti-submarine patrol boat, and not a missile carrier, according to the project it differs little from the same Khokhlyat flagship hetman.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 2 February 2016 08: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Marconi41
                Initially, after all, 1135 is an anti-submarine patrol boat, and not a missile carrier, according to the project it differs little from the same Khokhlyat flagship hetman.
                Has 8 calibers on board - why not a missile carrier? It is very different from 1135, in almost all respects - do not repeat this nonsense beyond the sea. The Indians would order an outdated ship from us, and even continue the series. It’s not comparable with the hetman - he doesn’t have any strike weapons at all, only Somali pirates can drive
                1. Marconi41
                  Marconi41 4 February 2016 04: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Has 8 calibers on board - why not a missile carrier?

                  Maybe a bit late, but I will answer. For example, you bought a three-room apartment in the seismic zone, and you want to make a studio out of it, so that there is more space. You tear down the walls, expanding the apartment and you are bombarded with blocks in the next earthquake.
                  In order for calibers to fit there (1135), they do the same. Expand compartments. After all, the shock weapons of the usual 1135 (rocket torpedoes) were on the deck on the tank, and now the Gauges are inside.
      2. marlin1203
        marlin1203 1 February 2016 14: 27 New
        10
        Given the strike missile complex - just right. soldier
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 February 2016 14: 47 New
        10
        Quote: keel 31
        I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?

        At the moment, this is generally the largest (apart from Gorshkov, which is a little larger) warship built in modern Russia, and not laid down in the USSR. Together with Grigorovich. Larger until built hi
      4. VP
        VP 1 February 2016 17: 12 New
        0
        It seems that this guard is the size of a frigate. But battleships with aircraft carriers on the Black Sea are not needed. Moreover, the ship’s armament also includes an air group consisting of one helicopter pieces)
      5. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 1 February 2016 18: 07 New
        +1
        This is how to look .. Unfortunately the big ship (meaning the new cruiser) is not planned for the Baltic Fleet .. Actually, I thought that this guard would go to the Black Sea .. For comparison, the entire Admiral crew was registered on a vessel of about such a displacement ..
        Quote: Kil 31
        I am not a moroman but there is a question. By accident, a boat is not small for the commander of the Baltic Fleet, all the more he is a hero of the Russian-Japanese war?
  2. Dimontius
    Dimontius 1 February 2016 14: 15 New
    +4
    That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 11 New
      +2
      That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!

      In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too? wassat
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 1 February 2016 15: 15 New
        +9
        Quote: Wiruz
        In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

        And you are an optimist, comrade ... smile
      2. avt
        avt 1 February 2016 17: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too?

        Сходите на ,,Сделано у нас",там выложили фото ,,Грена",вполне можно переименовать в ,,Многострадальный", в плавучем доке цепями обмотанного . Чтобы не убежал . wassat The campaign will be painted and demagnetized after a month or so.
        1. musorg
          musorg 1 February 2016 18: 21 New
          0
          А "Адм. Григорович" куда спрятался?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 February 2016 18: 23 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          Сходите на ,,Сделано у нас",там выложили фото ,,Грена",вполне можно переименовать в ,,Многострадальный",

          Лучше в "Спас-на-крови". Ленинградцы знают, почему (об этом ещё Розенбаум пел). smile
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 1 February 2016 18: 10 New
        0
        Well, what can you say ... Well, at least shipbuilders will fill their hand ... But in general, this is certainly a shame ..
        Quote: Wiruz
        That's what VO hooked for =) often knows how to cheer up when he reports that such handsome men guard the homeland!

        In 5-6 years there will be news that Ivan Gren completed the state. trials, will you rejoice and rejoice too? wassat
  3. Kibl
    Kibl 1 February 2016 14: 16 New
    +8
    One minus, three years of construction for such a class of ships is a long time!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 February 2016 14: 22 New
      12
      Not three years, but 5! Three years would be just fine hi
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 1 February 2016 14: 43 New
        +2
        For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 10 New
          +5
          For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

          Do not push on the patient, please crying
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 February 2016 15: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: gray smeet
          For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

          24 корвета с 4 ПУ "китайских гарпунов с доразгоном", 1*8 ПУ "китайского RAM", 1*76-мм АК-176, 2*30 мм и 2*3-324-мм ТА.
        3. musorg
          musorg 1 February 2016 18: 10 New
          0
          That's it, riveted !!
        4. midivan
          midivan 1 February 2016 21: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: gray smeet
          For three years, the Chinese riveted 24 pieces, info branch below ...

          Well so Chinese and 10 times more than us laughing and Nuka how to file only files laughing
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 1 February 2016 15: 06 New
      +6
      Long talk? It, of course, is so ...
      Хотя,если сравнить с "передовиком нашей промышленности"- чубайсовской РОСНАНО,которая за те же 5 лет ни хрена толкового не произвела,кроме китайских лампочек,водоимульсионки из "неведовых никому нано-частиц" и бирок для меховых шуб,то результат более чем впечатляющий!
      Ведь бюджеты ОСК и РОСНАНО почти одинаковый,а "выхлоп" разный!
      Well, what can you do ... sss system, burn it with a blue flame ...
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 1 February 2016 15: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: kepmor
        Хотя,если сравнить с "передовиком нашей промышленности"- чубайсовской РОСНАНО

        Found something to compare. All the same, you need to equal the best, and not ....
  4. Ngauro
    Ngauro 1 February 2016 14: 17 New
    -10
    that's just Admiral Essen,
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 1 February 2016 14: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: NGAURO
      that's just Admiral Essen,

      Your suggestions???
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 1 February 2016 15: 11 New
      23
      Quote: NGAURO
      that's just Admiral Essen,


      Admiral Nikolai Ottovich von Essen -Best commander of the Baltic Fleet, an unsurpassed master of mine warfare, who proved that Russia is a world leader in this field. His minefields were defended by Petrograd in 1914, mining was carried out according to the same schemes in 1941, the German fleet bases in Danzig were blocked by mines, and dozens of German ships were lost on them. Died, having caught a cold on the bridge.
      The son, Anthony Essen, the commander of a submarine, died in a military campaign in 1917.
      The family is famous and worthy patriotic people of Russia.
      By the way, Minister Grigorovich promised to name Essen, the largest and best ship of the Russian fleet.
      Let his name be immortalized even in a guard ship.
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  6. Taygerus
    Taygerus 1 February 2016 14: 17 New
    +2
    Good news, good luck on the state. test seven feet under keel
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 09 New
      +4
      Good news

      But two years ago she would be just gorgeous
    2. sevsor
      sevsor 1 February 2016 16: 26 New
      +1
      Ждём с нетерпением "Григоровича" и "Эссена" в Севастополе!))
  7. Ngauro
    Ngauro 1 February 2016 14: 18 New
    -40
    found by whose name the ship is called mlyn
    1. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 1 February 2016 14: 21 New
      +7
      If everyone got you
      And life didn’t get hurt
      Be, comrade, stronger than steel,
      Forgive everyone and smile! )))
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 1 February 2016 14: 24 New
      17
      And what's wrong with the name, a normal naval officer, commanded the cruiser Novik and the battleship Sevastopol. One of the few combat naval officers who showed themselves during the siege of Port Arthur.
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 09 New
      +8
      Дайте угадаю, Вас не устраивает "Эссен" потому что он не Иванов/Петров/Сидоров? Вам, батенька, уроки делать не пора?
      1. midivan
        midivan 1 February 2016 21: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Дайте угадаю, Вас не устраивает "Эссен" потому что он не Иванов/Петров/Сидоров? Вам, батенька, уроки делать не пора?

        не угадали,не устраивает "Эссен" потому что он не NGAURO lol
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 February 2016 15: 27 New
      +6
      Essen did not please you? Hero of Port Arthur, commander of the last combat-ready EDB 1 TOE, commander of the Baltic Fleet in WWI.
      Я бы понял, если бы по Григоровичу претензии предъявили. Вот у него действительно была очень мутная история с назначением Морским министром и сдачей в бесплатную аренду частной лавочке (не имевшей Устава и не проведшей даже собрания учредителей) государственного адмиралтейства в Николаеве - с немедленной выдачей заказа на ЛК и аванса. И не менее мутная история с фирмой "Виккерс".
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 February 2016 17: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        I would understand if claims were made according to Grigorovich. Here he really had a very troubled story with the appointment of the Minister of the Sea and the free rental of a private shop (which did not have a Charter and did not even hold a meeting of the founders) of the State Admiralty in Nikolaev - with the immediate issuance of an order for LC and an advance.

        So for this it is necessary to give the order laughing Вы гляньте какие они верфи отгрохали на казенные авансы (там Виккерс от зависти удавиться был готов) и вспомните, за сколько потом эти частники линкоры типа "Анператрица Мрия" строили. Пятилетка в 4 года по капиталистически и с превосходным результатом.
        Григорович очень великолепно проявил себя в Порт-Артуре. Человек очень большой распорядительности, который смог наладить бесперебойное обеспечение и ремонт артурской эскадры в осажденном городе. Обратите внимание - 1ТОЭ ругают за многое, но вот претензий к ее "тылу" практически нет, а там был Григорович.
        And again - you look at what Grigorovich was able to crank up as a naval minister (especially when compared with previous ministers) - he was able to push through the Duma financing, launched the construction of the ocean fleet ... So in vain you are against him like that, in my humble opinion
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 February 2016 18: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And again - you look at what Grigorovich was able to crank up as a naval minister (especially when compared with previous ministers) - he was able to push through the Duma financing, launched the construction of the ocean fleet ... So in vain you are against him like that, in my humble opinion

          Кхм... это не он провернул. Григорович по факту был лишь "говорящей головой" Международного банка - владельца "Руссуда" (позднее поглотивший и его конкурента - "Наваль").
          So this is not a victory of Grigorovich in the matter of building a fleet, but a victory of the International Bank in the issue of developing state money.
          Победа “Руссуда” тем знаменательнее, что общество это в то время ни фактически, ни юридически не существовало. Устав общества был утвержден значительно позже, и первое собрание акционеров состоялось только 5 ноября 1911 г. К строительству завода еще не приступали. “В момент выдачи „Руссуду" наряда на месте будущего судостроительного завода росли лопухи и паслись коровы”, — показал в Верховной морской следственной комиссии начальник технического отдела правления “Руссуда” инженер Прохоров. Морское ведомство долго не могло разрешить вопрос — кому же, собственно, выписывать наряд на строительство кораблей. Судостроительное общество еще не существует, частным лицам как-то неудобно... Потом, махнув рукой на юридические тонкости, решили выписать наряд на имя учредителей будущего и пока еще не существующего общества.

          А уж как лихо "Руссуд" готовил проект линкора на конкурс...
          “Зрелище получилось невиданное, — сообщил в Следственной комиссии Филоненко. — Все помещения Кораблестроительного отдела Главного управления кораблестроения были превращены в чертежную „Руссуда". Проектирование вели инженеры Коримальди, Сосновский, состоящие официально на Балтийском и Адмиралтейском заводах морского ведомства; под их же руководством работали все инженеры и чертежники Кораблестроительного отдела во главе с корабельным инженером Беренсом, Траухком и др. Начальник Кораблестроительного отдела ГУК генерал-майор Пущин принимал участие в проекте, давал свои советы”.

          Стоит ли удивляться, что в конкурсе на ЛК для ЧФ победил проект "Руссуда"? smile
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 February 2016 08: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            So this is not a victory of Grigorovich in the matter of building a fleet, but a victory of the International Bank in the issue of developing state money

            You are wrong:) Nevertheless, the main program for the construction of the Russian fleet was conducted in the Baltic and Russud had nothing to do with it. In addition, the St. Petersburg International Bank was quite a Russian entity (it was then commanded by Vyshnegradsky, the former son of Finance Minister Ivan Alekseevich Vyshnegradsky) and sent foreign capital to investment projects in Russia.
            Well, for example, I bought this international bank ONZiV in 1912. Before that, this plant was French. What is bad?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            А уж как лихо "Руссуд" готовил проект линкора на конкурс...

            But what's the difference, who was preparing the project? :) Only ONZiV and Russud could build battleships at the World Cup, so that without orders, the Russud did not shine under any layouts. But the project turned out not so bad - within the framework of the given TK, of course
            Но самое главное - это результат. У нас на ЧМ три последних больших корабля (ПОтемкин и Евстафии) строились по 8 и 7 лет соответственно. "Мария" и "Екатерина" были начаты постройкой в июле-октябре 1912 года, и в августе-октябре 1915-го вошли в состав флота. Вот это - имеет значение:) И балтийские линкоры типа Севастополь - будучи заложенными в 1909 г там до появления Григоровича только имитировали строительство:))
            In general, Grigorovich very much advanced the shipbuilding industry and its financing. And if at the same time I still haven’t forgotten myself ... well, Alexander Nevsky, according to rumors, the Novgorodians twice drove from the post of prince because of too arbitrary treatment of the treasury, but we don’t love him for that laughing
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 1 February 2016 15: 31 New
      10
      Well, they just figured out the frigates:
      11356 - "имперские" адмиралы
      22350 - Soviet admirals

    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 1 February 2016 18: 15 New
      +1
      Why so much bile? .. Under the USSR, of course, the name of the naval commander was forgotten, after all the tsar's admiral, but he honestly served his homeland.
      Quote: NGAURO
      found by whose name the ship is called mlyn
  8. ratfly
    ratfly 1 February 2016 14: 19 New
    +2
    A power plant from old stocks or is it something new?
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 1 February 2016 14: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: ratfly
      A power plant from old stocks or is it something new?

      on three ships managed to put Zorya-mashproekt. They paid for the remaining three, but the engines did not come, Ukraine introduced ssanctions.
      It's a shame, and so the series would have passed quickly.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 1 February 2016 15: 32 New
        +4
        Быстро это как? От закладки до сдачи флоту "Адмирала Эссена" (2011-2016) пять лет. Это многовато. ".....Из-за непоставки Украиной газотурбинных энергетических установок для фрегатов проекта 11356 флот откажется от трех последних кораблей этого типа, заявил 1 июля 2015 журналистам на военно-морском салоне в Петербурге главнокомандующий ВМФ России адмирал Виктор Чирков. По его словам, вместо этих трех крупных кораблей будет построено 18 малых ракетных кораблей с крылатыми ракетами нового проекта 22800, а головной корабль будет заложен в 2016 г".....
  9. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 1 February 2016 14: 22 New
    +7
    "Адмирал Эссен" в будущем на черном море будит «Гетмана Сагайдачного» гонять. smile
    1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 14: 34 New
      +4
      Primus Pilus-what to drive scrap metal that is likely to be welded to the pier so that no one sells? Go to the saiga and how to give in the country !!!
      1. Primus pilus
        Primus pilus 1 February 2016 14: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        Primus Pilus-what to drive scrap metal that is likely to be welded to the pier so that no one sells? Go to the saiga and how to give in the country !!!

        Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear. laughing
        1. ratfly
          ratfly 1 February 2016 15: 03 New
          +6
          Sahaidachny will sink - and they will have an underwater fleet.
        2. cyberspace
          cyberspace 1 February 2016 15: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Primus Pilus
          Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear.

          "Гетмана" в подплав переводят?
        3. lelikas
          lelikas 1 February 2016 16: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: Primus Pilus
          Well, how do they see the soon submarine fleet appear.

          The Ministry of Defense Ruins, has already purchased the first batch of simulators, for submarine commanders - the future elite, the most independent fleet.
      2. midivan
        midivan 1 February 2016 22: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        approach the saiga and how to give in the country !!!

        yeah, in the country of gunpowder, the rabbit is shorter to distribute to all of them bastards cottages and apartments it is desirable wassat
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 2 February 2016 03: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      "Адмирал Эссен" в будущем на черном море будит «Гетмана Сагайдачного» гонять.

      The main thing is that the Ukrainians would not mess up anything, because they look very much reminiscent of each other. wink Оба вышли от "мамки" 1135.5
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 February 2016 14: 29 New
    +1
    It is not at all difficult for Russia with its sustained decisive foreign policy to create a condition where the lifting of sanctions by a number of countries will be just happiness for them. This is called peace enforcement. As they say do not want the economy, get problems. Syria is a great reason to force peace not only for terrorists , but also western patrons who were completely bored there overseas ..
  11. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 14: 31 New
    +2
    And will he have a helicopter as standard or what?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 07 New
      +2
      Yes, it must be Ka-27 or Ka-31. Rather the first
  12. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 1 February 2016 14: 34 New
    0
    А на буксире нужно еще платформу с "Калибрами" прицепить... чтоб на всех хватило)))
  13. Simon
    Simon 1 February 2016 14: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Primus Pilus
    "Адмирал Эссен" в будущем на черном море будит «Гетмана Сагайдачного» гонять. smile

    And what to drive him! He's already fun. laughing
  14. silver_roman
    silver_roman 1 February 2016 14: 35 New
    +1
    and what engines does he have?
    timing is just repeat
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 06 New
      +1
      Engines seem to be from Independent bully For the first three engine managed to put
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 1 February 2016 15: 13 New
        +1
        It was always interesting: but you can’t stupidly copy ukrov engines and not take a steam bath? the Chinese have been doing this for half a century and nothing.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 February 2016 15: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: silver_roman
          It was always interesting: but you can’t stupidly copy ukrov engines and not take a steam bath? the Chinese have been doing this for half a century and nothing.

          The Chinese are doing a gas turbine engine under license. That is why they cannot sell them to us.

          As for copying the Nikolaev engines - this is exactly what they are now doing. Moreover, they were only partly Ukrainian:
          On the Russian side, NPO Saturn OJSC (responsibility zone - power turbine), NPO Avrora FSUE (GTE, diesel and unit control systems), Kolomensky Zavod OJSC (diesel engine) participate in the cooperation on the creation of the unit. on the part of Ukraine - GP NPKG "Zorya - Mashproekt" (turbocharger and gearbox). The tests are carried out on the basis of the Ukrainian state enterprise RPC "Zorya-Mashproekt", since there is no bench base for testing offshore gas turbine units in Russia yet.

          The main problem is precisely that the only test bench in the USSR for marine gas turbine engines and all the specialists also remained in Nikolaev.
        2. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 1 February 2016 15: 31 New
          +1
          At one time, the forum had an explanation of the specialist that stupidly copy will not work. There are complex compositions of metals with additives in detail, plus a complex production technology that must be meticulously reproduced, otherwise it will be completely different. Compare the engine resource of our fighter and its Chinese counterpart - several hundred and several tens of hours, respectively.
        3. kapitan92
          kapitan92 1 February 2016 15: 38 New
          +3
          ".....Министерство обороны и правительство России поставили НПО «Сатурн» (входит в подконтрольную госкорпорации «Ростех» Объединенную двигателестроительную корпорацию) задачу заместить импорт этих украинских двигателей, и ранее некоторые чиновники говорили о том, что это возможно сделать к 2018 г. Однако в ходе обсуждения проблем замещения поставок украинского предприятия так и не удалось решить вопрос о том, кто будет изготавливать ряд механизмов, а для установки уже производимых «Сатурном» газотурбинных установок потребовалось бы перепроектирование корабля, говорит менеджер одного из предприятий «Ростеха».....
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 1 February 2016 19: 32 New
            -1
            Quote: kapitan92
            ".....Министерство обороны и правительство России поставили НПО «Сатурн» (входит в подконтрольную госкорпорации «Ростех» Объединенную двигателестроительную корпорацию) задачу заместить импорт этих украинских двигателей, и ранее некоторые чиновники говорили о том, что это возможно сделать к 2018 г. Однако в ходе обсуждения проблем замещения поставок украинского предприятия так и не удалось решить вопрос о том, кто будет изготавливать ряд механизмов, а для установки уже производимых «Сатурном» газотурбинных установок потребовалось бы перепроектирование корабля, говорит менеджер одного из предприятий «Ростеха».....


            Постсоветская история показывает, что всё до чего дотягивается "Сатурн" можно смело записывать в провальные прожекты.
            But the saw in Rybinsk masterly master ....
        4. donavi49
          donavi49 1 February 2016 15: 41 New
          +4
          China does not have a full cycle, they hang in one series on the GE, the second on Zora, but there is a stand and good localization. However, key components are procured.

          In India there is localization for example (a screwdriver and part of related systems) - but there is no stand.

          In the Russian Federation there is documentation, there is a manufacturer of a number of engine components (the turbine was initially partially made in Russia), but there is no stand (initially 2020, now 17 has been limited operation for a year), there is no assembly site.

          Everything basically rests on the Stand (without the stand you cannot configure and roll the engine) and the production line of those components that are produced only at Zora.

          For 11356, everything is bad, because there the system is marching + boost turbines. In other words, he needs 4 turbines (2 kit), while for 22350 you need 2 turbines (1 kit) because there is a scheme of 2 diesel + 2 afterburner turbines. Given the fact that the first years of the turbine will be piece-wise (1-2 of a set per year) - and without turbines, they will already build 2x22350 (Golovko has already actually been built to a design maximum without key elements and is thinking how to make room, or to lower it and then a kama sutra toil in the 18-19 year, or roll away from the boathouse into the air).
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 February 2016 19: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: donavi49
            China does not have a full cycle, they hang in one series on the GE, the second on Zora, but there is a stand and good localization. However, key components are procured.

            In India there is localization for example (a screwdriver and part of related systems) - but there is no stand.

            - Fish, let them make a gas turbine engine in India and put it on a stand in China.
            “Admiral, did you collapse from the oak?” I won’t even pull it!
            - Well then, let us by 2017 make a fully debugged domestic gas turbine engine!
            - So ... what did you say there about the Indo-Chinese engine?
  15. Michael67
    Michael67 1 February 2016 14: 40 New
    +1
    Good news. Seven feet under the keel and fair wind on state trials!
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 1 February 2016 14: 40 New
    0
    wonderful boat, let him always be 7 feet under the keel ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 05 New
      +1
      wonderful boat

      He would have been wonderful 10-15 years ago. Now it is outdated, like Gren! Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fend off anti-ship missiles; PLO - weak; RBU probably stuck only so that she did not gather dust in the warehouse; instead of the planned Broadswords, they put the AK-630 (I hope they will be changed to Shell-M over time); UKKS on 8 cells ... well, not bad, although they could have stuck more
      request
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 1 February 2016 15: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fend off anti-ship missiles; PLO - weak; They probably stuck RBU only so that it would not gather dust in the warehouse; instead of the planned Broadswords, they put the AK-630 (I hope they will be changed to Shell-M over time); UKKS on 8 cells ... well, not bad, although they could have stuck more

        right now you wanted to stick in 4000 tons like in 8000? ... it's not a destroyer or a cruiser ... but just a guard missile ship ... it’s quite suitable for its tasks ...
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 23 New
          +2
          right now you wanted to stick in 4000 tons like in 8000? ... it's not a destroyer or a cruiser ... but just a guard missile ship ... it’s quite suitable for its tasks ...

          First: compare 11356 and 22350 (let's say that their VIs are equal).
          Secondly: more than once on this site I raised the question of whether we need frigates? Corvettes 20380/20385/20386 can perfectly perform the functions of frigates in the near sea zone. We need one patrol ship - a corvette, one heavy missile - a destroyer / cruiser.
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 1 February 2016 15: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Wiruz
            We need one patrol ship - a corvette

            strange you argue, because the corvette (2000tn) will fit even less than Grigorovich)) ...... what to do?
            1. Wiruz
              Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 55 New
              +1
              strange you argue, because the corvette (2000tn) will fit even less than Grigorovich)) ...... what to do?

              You probably just didn't quite understand what I mean.
              I suggest from the chain: multipurpose corvette - frigate - destroyer (atomic, ala-kirov), make: multipurpose corvette - destroyer (non-atomic, ala-Arly Burke / type 055).
              So to say, one ship will serve near its native shores, primarily to seek out enemy submarines; the second is to carry out various tasks in the ocean zone, here the tasks are a kilometer.

              It’s just, in my amateurish opinion, it’s stupid to build 12 nuclear-powered ships and 15-20 under-destroyer frigates. Better with this money to build 25-30 gas turbine destroyers VI about 11kt.
              1. DarkMatter
                DarkMatter 1 February 2016 16: 07 New
                +1
                it’s stupid to build 12 nuclear-powered ships and 15-20 under-destroyer frigates. Better with this money to build 25-30 gas turbine destroyers VI about 11kt.

                It would be absolutely gorgeous, I don’t even dream about it laughing
                Although the Leaders then mortgage and mortgage everything, they improve and improve the project, they save money, save, they wait and wait for new weapons, you look there and the truth is still not laid down for new engines, and maybe something like this comes out, it would be good.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 1 February 2016 16: 23 New
                0
                A frigate is a ship not of the near, but of the distant sea zone.
              3. g1v2
                g1v2 1 February 2016 21: 16 New
                0
                Frigate 22350 is essentially a replacement for a non-nuclear destroyer. It replaces the buzzards and is capable of doing everything that they do. It’s just due to new technologies and project features that in the 80s they shoved in 6500-8000 tons now fits in 4500. And then the border of the 1st rank (5000 tons) is close. This is essentially our destroyer. It is 22350 that in the coming years will become the basis of our ocean fleet after the death of the last buzzards.
                Corvettes 20385 and 20380 in my opinion are not corvettes. Corvette is 22160. He is the classic corvette ravine. And 22380 is a patrol ship of the near sea zone and is designed to PROTECT its shores and territorial waters. Therefore, it is designed with the condition of interaction with its coastal forces and facilities. And what is being built on a squadron of 6 pieces for the Baltic Fleet and Pacific Fleet determines their area of ​​application. 6 Baltic people - for the defense of Kaliningrad and 6 Pacific for the Kuril and Sakhalin. For the north, 20385 were already being built — slightly less ground for defense, but still defensive ships.
                The destroyer leader is not a destroyer at all, but a full-fledged cruiser and a replacement for 1164 and 1144, that is, SHOCK STRENGTH of the SF, and later the Pacific Fleet. In my opinion, it will not be very massive and the main work in the ocean zone will be at 22350.
                Pull out of the chain will not work because of the different purpose of the ships. The only superfluous link is just 11356, which were laid because they thought that they could be built very quickly. To the expected Maidan, which was expected in 2015 at the presidential elections in Ukraine, which were scheduled for this year, engines should have been received. However, either the mattresses made a tricky move, speeding up the Maidan for a year, or they screwed up, having a lot of problems, but everything happened earlier and we did not get the engines, which means that the second three 11356 in terms of receipt were equal to 22350. Honestly, it is doubtful that the sixth 11356 was laid specifically for our fleet, since there is no sense in this anymore. hi
          2. DarkMatter
            DarkMatter 1 February 2016 16: 02 New
            +1
            I have repeatedly raised on this site the question of how much we need frigates? Corvettes 20380/20385/20386 can perfectly perform the functions of frigates in the near sea zone. We need one patrol ship - a corvette, one heavy missile - a destroyer / cruiser

            Ну "сторожевой корабль" и 15 суток у 20380 не совсем сочетающиеся вещи, согласитесь =)
            About the hodgepodge, which they just wanted to get rid of, only grows. But it’s not from a good life recourse
            In general, about the 20380 corvettes who just didn’t speak out, they didn’t really come out, one and a half pieces, crammed into a weapons cruiser, the engines do not pull all this stuff =)))
            Here's the news about the Chinese, 24 pieces in 3 years! Yes, they are worse in weapons, but they don’t need to! they rub against the shore, who sticks in - will get so many missiles under the fifth point that they won't seem enough, but how many will launch one and a half of our 20380? Everything should be in moderation and based on tasks.
            I would probably leave it like this - MRCs (2 projects work out), then their leaders (for the near zone will be some kind of Local Leaders) =)) corvettes 20380, then gatekeepers 11356 (4 pieces) and series 22160, far zone 22350 frigates ( in sufficient quantities) and something big still like Leaders.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 February 2016 17: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Air defense - almost none, since 24 missiles with a range of up to 70 km can only fight off anti-ship missiles

        36 вообще-то. Что аж на 12 ракет меньше, чем у "британского окиянского эсминца "Дэринг"" который по многочисленным мнениям зарубежных печатей является лучшим ПВО-шником мира. И который немного...совсем немного...всего в два раза крупнее 11356. И который не несет ударного вооружения.
        The range, by the way, is the EMNIP of 40-50 km (they say about 70 km that there is a black spot in the source), but where is it more to him? This is not a missile cruiser, he does not attack the AUG.
        Quote: Wiruz
        PLO - weak

        Ну, у Тальваров есть ГАС внутрикорпусная и ГАС буксируемая, полагаю что у 11356 то же самое. А оружие... до 8 ПЛУР "Калибр", торпеды 533-мм, бомбомет... Вы такое счастье хоть у одного американского эсминца найдите!
        Quote: Wiruz
        RBU probably stuck only so that she did not gather dust in the warehouse

        Means of vocational training, plus, if desired, you can hammer on the shore in the manner of a MLRS
        Quote: Wiruz
        instead of the planned broadswords put AK-630

        And who planned? Something did not happen to hear about it ... Maybe passed by me, so I'm interested
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        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 1 February 2016 18: 45 New
          +3
          36 actually.

          Do you need a calculator?

          Что аж на 12 ракет меньше, чем у "британского окиянского эсминца "Дэринг"" который по многочисленным мнениям зарубежных печатей является лучшим ПВО-шником мира. И который немного...совсем немного...всего в два раза крупнее 11356. И который не несет ударного вооружения.

          And Daring really beautiful air defense system. There are no shock weapons yet; there is an opportunity to equip them with the Tomahawks, but they don’t seem to be. And about the possibility of launching Storm Shadow missiles from installed Sylver cells, they have already stuttered more than once.
          Ну, у Тальваров есть ГАС внутрикорпусная и ГАС буксируемая, полагаю что у 11356 то же самое. А оружие... до 8 ПЛУР "Калибр", торпеды 533-мм, бомбомет... Вы такое счастье хоть у одного американского эсминца найдите!

          The bomb is superfluous here, as is the TA 533mm. It would be better if they delivered the packages. I can’t say anything bad about the PLUR 91RT - even in the export version it is better than the American counterparts. But GAS is weak, I meant it
          And who planned? Something did not happen to hear about it ... Maybe passed by me, so I'm interested

          From the very beginning there was infa about the installation of Broadswords on them. Then there was an article on VO, supposedly, what the hell they are changing on the AK-630
          hi
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 February 2016 07: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Wiruz
            Do you need a calculator?

            Hmm, strange. Always wrote about 36, climbed into the Internet to watch photos - 11356 are not photographed anywhere from above ... military secret? laughing
            Quote: Wiruz
            And about the possibility of launching Storm Shadow missiles from installed Sylver cells, they have already stuttered more than once

            Then the missiles will be less than 48 :)
            Quote: Wiruz
            The bomb is superfluous here, as is the TA 533mm. It would be better if the packages were delivered

            But which is better? You won’t get much from the Pl package, only fight off torpedoes
            Quote: Wiruz
            But GAS is weak, I meant it

            And what is wrong with her? I don't know anything about GAS 11356
  17. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 1 February 2016 14: 42 New
    +4
    This ship is almost the same as project 1135. Now look on the Internet how many projects 1135 were built and how fast they were built. Get an answer to the question whether to cry from this news, or to laugh. Here they build India no more than three years.
    1. askort154
      askort154 1 February 2016 15: 05 New
      +1
      Мареман Василич.....Получите ответ на вопрос, то ли плакать от этой новости, то ли смеяться. Вот Индии они строят не больше трёх лет.

      Joseph Vissarionovich, more optimism! China and India did not destroy the latter
      25 лет. Сам же говорил когда-то - "Москва не сразу строилась!"
      In the meantime, we must rejoice in this.
    2. weis223
      weis223 1 February 2016 15: 24 New
      +2
      As a person directly related to the Navy, I do not laugh, but rejoice in such modest successes. I cried in the 90s when they destroyed the fleet.
      And due to what do you consider it possible to accelerate the construction of new ships? Show nevermind to the Indians? Well, except that in our country there is an excess of sources of replenishment of foreign exchange reserves ...
  18. cccr51
    cccr51 1 February 2016 14: 50 New
    0
    Most of all I like the range of autonomous navigation of almost 9000 km
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 14 New
      +2
      Не, ну 4000 миль это почти стандартная дальность хода, как для наших, так и для "ихних" кораблей. Насколько я знаю, Стерегущий тоже 4000 миль пройти может, правда припасы на 16 сутки кончатся... hi
  19. Wiruz
    Wiruz 1 February 2016 14: 58 New
    +3
    How glad everyone is! All seven feet under the keel desire, proud. But are you upset by the fact that this ship was to be handed over to the fleet before the end of 2014? And before the end of 2016 they had to transfer the entire batch of six frigates. By the way, the sixth frigate of the series has not yet been laid.

    Но все рады! У всех "перемога"! Тем более раз Калибр на борту, так всё - вундервафля прям, ещё и по морям ходит laughing
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 1 February 2016 15: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Wiruz
      How glad everyone is!

      unlike you, a connoisseur of the sea, we are really happy about this ... of course it saddens the long construction and acceptance into the fleet, but fish are not interested in fishlessness and cancer .... I wonder why you are happy?
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 32 New
        +3
        unlike you, a connoisseur of the sea, we are really happy about this ... of course it saddens the long construction and acceptance into the fleet, but fish are not interested in fishlessness and cancer .... I wonder why you are happy?

        Я буду рад когда Главкомы и их "приближенные" начнут держать свои! Думаю нет смысла напоминать that и when They promised to build us over the past few years?
        I will be glad when Chirkov is removed by inconsistency, so that he no longer carries nonsense about replacing frigates with small missile ones.

        In general, in short, I will be glad when Russia has a normal, oceanic fleet, and a miserable parody of it.

        PS: I will be glad when four stars are returned to the army generals and fleet admirals bully
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 1 February 2016 15: 45 New
          +1
          as I understood from your post, you are not at all happy that 2 of the 3 royal frigates will now be part of the Black Sea Fleet ?? or did I misunderstand?
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz 1 February 2016 16: 08 New
            +1
            as I understood from your post, you are not at all happy that 2 of the 3 royal frigates will now be part of the Black Sea Fleet ?? or did I misunderstand?

            I am glad that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet. But I'm not glad that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet in 2016, and not in 2014 as they should.
    2. Fregate
      Fregate 1 February 2016 15: 21 New
      +3
      And the sixth one doesn’t make any sense, since even the 4th and 5th engines are located in Ukraine. Well, if only the Indians want these three themselves and agree with the Ukrainians on the engines.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 1 February 2016 15: 33 New
        0
        And the sixth one doesn’t make any sense, since even the 4th and 5th engines are located in Ukraine. Well, if only the Indians want these three themselves and agree with the Ukrainians on the engines.

        You don’t understand anything there. They say that Indians are sold, that they will finish building but with their engines request
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 1 February 2016 15: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          You don’t understand anything there. They say that they are selling to the Indians, that they will finish building but with their request engines

          Yes, even so, even so let it be. The main thing is that it does not happen that they put their engines and sell to the Indians.
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  21. Veteran
    Veteran 1 February 2016 15: 36 New
    +6
    Газотурбинные установки на "Григоровиче", "Эссене" и "Макарове" украинского производства, но обслуживанием их будет заниматься Рыбинское предприятие "Турборус".
    Admiral N.O. Essen perfectly prepared the Baltic Fleet, its sailors, much inferior to the German fleet, for the 1 World War. The defense system of the Gulf of Finland created under his leadership on the basis of mine-artillery positions was too tough for the Kaiser fleet. On the night before the declaration of war, by his order, the first minefields were put up that blocked the entrance to the bay. Having convinced himself of the strength of his defense, Essen switched to the active operations of the fleet in the Baltic Sea - active mine operations at German ports, which began to face a commercial collapse in the Baltic Sea. It is unfortunate that an unexpected death cut short the life of this wonderful hard worker-admiral in 1915. The foundations of military service laid down by him and the defense system made it possible to defend Petrograd from the sea in October 1917, despite the general failure in the Moonsund battle. His name should be called a destroyer class ship.
  22. su navy
    su navy 1 February 2016 15: 48 New
    +2
    "...непревзойденный мастер минной войны". Вообще-то магистром данного дела был С.О. Макаров.
  23. Gvozd
    Gvozd 1 February 2016 15: 50 New
    0
    Как же все долго... Такое ощущение, что авианосцы а не фрегаты, ну или как минимум крейсера. ужас просто. На ДВ корвет 10 лет как заложен, а тут корветы вроде худо бедно сдали, но фрегаты по 5-10 с закладки никак сдать не могут. Я уж молчу про несчастную "Ладу". Хорошо хоть с Буянами сбоев нет. Чем в океане воевать будем? Или Бореи от пирса палить будут?
  24. rotor
    rotor 1 February 2016 15: 57 New
    +3
    Сторожевой корабль "Адмирал Григорович" на испытаниях

  25. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 1 February 2016 16: 08 New
    +3
    Essen is really a legend of the Russian fleet, respect and bow.
  26. max2215
    max2215 1 February 2016 16: 18 New
    +2
    Ну сдали и слава богу, тут шла дискуссия- нужны ли нам авианосцы, с такими темпами постройки, думаю вопрос сам собой отпадает.Но выражать великую радость тому, что должно было произойти 2 года назад, всё равно, тому что, например, сантехник на работу вышел. Извините но работа корабелов и заключается в том, что они должны строить и спускать корабли, вот если б они вместо одного спустили и приняли 3, вот тогда и была б "хорошая новость", а так сотрясение воздуха- смотрите у нас не всё разворовывают, немного и для государства остаётся.
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 February 2016 19: 02 New
    +1
    I am glad that there was at least some supply of surface ships. Now both 11540 projects will be under repair, and that will be their replacement in the SRDS. sea. So, BOD with SF and Pacific Fleet no longer needs to be constantly driven. So BOD will be able to engage in their immediate work without being distracted.
    1. Veteran
      Veteran 1 February 2016 20: 57 New
      +6
      По-моему, Вы несколько ошибаетесь: оба сторожевика пр. 11540 находятся в ремонте на "Янтаре", который затягивается из-за сложностей ремонта импортных украинских ГТУ. Может быть, к концу года справятся. "Григорович" должен войти в строй в феврале, а "Эссен" в апреле этого года. Но вряд ли эти новые корабли сразу погонят на БС в Средиземку, косяки ещё будут устранять, привычное дело.
  28. afrikanez
    afrikanez 1 February 2016 20: 33 New
    0
    Не хилый такой "сторожевичок", судя по вооружению. good