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Turkish-Russian crisis in 10 issues (T24, Turkey)

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Turkish-Russian crisis in 10 issues (T24, Turkey)



There was a strange silence in the air. While the period of panic and confusion has long passed.

The political crisis in relations between Turkey and Russia lasts more than two months. The crisis was not limited to politics and spread to all areas - from trade to tourism, from education to sports, from cultural ties to relations between people.

Why, then, everything around is still silent, you ask?

Are the analyzes and forecasts of the “experts on Russia” rushing to the conclusion that the crisis will end soon, or empty comments by policy experts who are used to juggling with superficial assessments, are they acting on someone else?
As a rule, from trivial and insignificant News they are very cleverly able to draw conclusions like “okay, it's over, Russia shouted, shouted and calmed down; soon everything will settle down ”or“ optimistic events have occurred in such and such a sector; which means that soon the green light will turn on in all areas - from construction to tourism. "

But, oddly enough, the crisis continues unabated. The position of Moscow is not softened. We have not seen or heard a single plan of Ankara to address the crisis.

Moreover, in the process of international negotiations on Syria, Turkey with all its forces resisted Russia, which largely agreed with the Western front, and above all with the United States, on the Democratic Union Party (PYD) and Assad. And this further increased the voltage on the Ankara-Moscow line.

One of the consequences of this was the cancellation of the visit of the deputy foreign minister of Russia Vasily Nebenzya to our country on behalf of Russia, which temporarily chairs the Organization of the Black Sea economic cooperation with the center in Istanbul.

On political issues, much can be said. But this is not the topic of our article. We will save political news and comments for another analysis and try to summarize the current situation in ten points.

1. Turkish-Russian crisis

Relations between Turkey and Russia, which for the last 25-30 years have been strengthening, have been going through a very thorny path, on one day (November 24 of 2015) were spoiled. The Turkish-Russian crisis, which not only led to military-political tensions, but also harmed two countries in the economic and humanitarian spheres, can result in losses for our country at the level of tens of billions (from tourism to exports of fruits and vegetables, from real estate to shuttle trade, from construction to textiles). Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet имimşek (Mehmet Şimşek) said that losses could reach nine billion dollars a year; later, some authorities began to talk about three to nine billion. The report on behalf of the Republican People's Party assumed that in four years the losses would amount to 52,2 billion dollars. And, according to a report by the Fund for Socio-Economic and Political Studies of Turkey, the country could lose more than 11 billions of dollars.

2. Russian front

On the one hand, the Kremlin made statements in the spirit of “we have no problems with the Turkish people, but we will not build relations with the Erdogan government,” on the other hand, it turned to actual pressure, prohibitions and restrictions that extend to a number of areas, including cultural relations. and interpersonal, family connections. At the same time, Moscow did not choose the alternative of “retaliation” by means of a military attack, did not close its embassy in Ankara, did not touch upon such strategic and priority spheres of relations between the two countries as energy. Subsequently, Russia revised (and continues to revise) some of its hastily taken "anti-Turkish steps", sometimes it goes for some relief in accordance with its interests. Nevertheless, we emphasize that, in general, there are no significant changes and mitigations in the position of Russia.

3. Turkish front

After the destruction of the aircraft, Ankara uses this style, which basically gives the impression that, unlike Moscow, it has largely changed its tone. But note that Ankara does not demonstrate any serious will or effort to improve relations with Moscow. In addition, Turkey is definitely not going to fulfill the demands of Russia (apologize, pay compensation, punish the guilty). And insists that the material damage caused by the crisis can be compensated by the creation and strengthening of relations with other countries.

4. Public opinion and media

Following the example of the leaders and relatively quickly approaching each other, Russia and Turkey, which do not have sufficiently effective democratic mechanisms, are now experiencing a reverse process. In Russia, the atmosphere of almost “Turkophobic” propaganda has spread and has already become natural. And although our situation is not so critical yet, obviously, the dangerous tension is rapidly increasing.

Of course, the positive views and impressions of the Russian and Turkish peoples about each other will not disappear in one moment; but, unfortunately, the negative impact of events is gradually becoming more and more tangible.

As the Kremlin’s position tightens, the Russian media publish extremely harsh, nationalistic, and even hateful material about Turkey and the Turks. According to one poll published last December, in written media, Turkey has become “enemy number one”, ahead of Ukraine and the United States.

In Turkey, too, in a large part of the media, and first of all pro-government mindeds, the number of anti-Russian and anti-Putin comments and news is gradually increasing. Judging by the results of a recent survey, 64,7% of the country's population believe that Russia is a threat to Turkey. In 2014, the respondents with this viewpoint were 28,2%.

5. Lobby is not, associations and unions are weak

The economic circles that have supported Turkish-Russian cooperation for decades, organizations with official and civic initiatives now, it can be said, are silent and confused. And established channels and friendly circles at this stage are passive due to fears due to a sudden exacerbation of the political atmosphere.

The crisis has shown that, until now, relations between the two countries have not allowed for the creation of strong lobbying tools. Associations and organizations that were allegedly created in Turkey and Russia on the principle of unity with the Russians, fell into deep silence. For some reason, now there is no sound from these greedy and incompetent leaders who use structures of this kind in times of peace and holiday celebrations, seeking to establish good relations with ministers, ambassadors, officials and “making any sacrifices” to strengthen their position.

Add to this picture the trade unions and industry organizations. How sad that in the last two months, no sector and organization that have felt the impact of the crisis can tell a way out of this situation. All that they do is, again, run to the authorities, ask how they should be, and instead of “waiting a bit”, they gradually leave the Russian market.

6. Is it possible to abandon Russia?

In my opinion, neither Turkey can give up Russia, nor Russia - from Turkey. Judging from foreign trade data, not to mention historical, cultural, interpersonal relations, Russia is the second country for us after Germany. The same is true in tourism. In the energy sector - and even the first.

And in Russia's foreign trade, Turkey climbed to the sixth line. In tourism, Turkey was the most popular destination. In the energy sector - the second largest customer of Gazprom.

Turkish-Russian families are the most effective overall connection, involving several million people in each of the two countries (together with relatives). In addition, there are still many foundations for cooperation and mutual interests.

7. Leadership Role

In wide circles that take into account the political situation and the particularities of leaders in each of the two countries, the opinion is widespread: only Putin and Erdogan can solve the Turkish-Russian crisis. However, if Putin exacerbates tensions, then Erdogan (after emotional performances in the early days of the crisis), apparently, decided to let things go by their own. Under these conditions, a crisis can last for months or even years. Frankly, over the past several decades, the period in which cooperation between Ankara and Moscow developed most intensively fell on the 2004-2011 years (if you do not take into account the rapprochement of Ataturk and Lenin) and became largely possible thanks to Putin and Erdogan. At the same time, it is obvious that Turkish-Russian ties with more than 500-year history carry value regardless of the two leaders, the relationship between them and their term of office.

8. Business must start to operate.

The first steps towards the rapprochement of Ankara and Moscow with each other in the middle of 1980's were laid by the business. Over the past years, Turkish companies have earned tens of billions of dollars in Russia in many sectors - from exports to tourism, from textiles to construction - and theoretically they have a chance to earn much more.

Well, is it possible to say the same about Russian entrepreneurs in Turkey? If relations are not restored, how can Gazprom, Sberbank (Denizbank), Rosatom (Akkuyu), Lukoil and other Russian giants be confident in the future of their multi-billion dollar investments in Turkey?

Do not underestimate the possibilities of our business working with Russians - from Enka to Efes, from Şişecam to Vestel, from Beko to Garanti Bankası, from Rönesans to Pegas. Like everything accumulated by Russian companies here. It is necessary to take advantage of this huge potential.

9. We do not start from scratch

In addition to companies, in recent years, some organizations have also established relations with Russia (Turkish Foreign Economic Relations Council (DEİK), Turkish Chambers and Exchange Association (TOBB), Turkish Association of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (TÜSİAD), Russian-Turkish Business Council (RTİB)) and so forth). Add to this the integrated advertising and PR activities of the Ministry of Tourism.

As a result, despite the pessimistic atmosphere of the crisis, it should be noted that we have substantial reserves. Only we need to show our possibilities.

Some circles, intellectuals, who cannot be underestimated, insist in Turkey on favorable relations with Russia and in Russia on favorable relations with Turkey.

The goal should be to end the crisis, to promote the restoration of friendship, cooperation, trade, to form public opinion in this direction, to put forward proposals, to influence politicians. For this, “public pressure groups” must be created in both countries.

Each of the areas (work related to PR, information, analysis, social networks and journalism, various events, etc.) should be considered on its own, in a separate order.

10. Looking for a determined and determined effort.

Ignoring the grumblers who are constantly sowing pessimism, we emphasize: the wall of friendship, which has been built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible. Some may refuse, some may choose a different path, and those who enjoy whining and complaining may continue to do so.

The rest must be made carefully planned and resolute efforts, be brave and creative, use every opportunity. For example, the Fenerbahce-Lokomotiv football match, which will take place on Tuesday, February 16 (and, of course, the return match in Russia) can be turned into an important platform for the protection of Turkish-Russian friendship.

In addition, you can organize assistance to the family of the pilot Oleg Peshkov, who was killed by 24 in November last year, as well as a visit with an expression of condolences.

Believe me, even when I write common truths and important things for me, I get a feeling of “well, you write, so what, what will it give.”

As I said at the beginning of the article, more than two months have passed, and there is still a strange silence in the air.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 1 February 2016 18: 55 New
    51
    the friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible.
    So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 1 February 2016 18: 57 New
      51
      Quote: Author
      In my opinion, neither Turkey can give up Russia, nor Russia can give up Turkey.
      Only now the main thing is to remember - ... Only the army and the Navy!
      No friendships! Already all "friends" and "brothers" have been proven 1000 times in recent years alone!
      Nothing extra, just BUSINESS. PARTNERS!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 1 February 2016 19: 04 New
        32
        As I said at the beginning of the article, more than two months have passed, and there is still a strange silence in the air.

        Rather, a dumb question hangs in the air: "Why did you need all this?"
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 1 February 2016 19: 48 New
          42
          At the train station are Russian, American, Chinese, and Turkish. They are silent. Everybody has a desire to show their superiority.
          The Chinese gets up, goes to the window, pulls out a bag of rice from the bag and throws it out. Loudly announces:
          - We have this good in bulk!
          This one goes to the American window and throws out a pack of dollars:
          - We have this good in bulk!
          After these actions, the lyrics moves to Russian and whispers emy on yho:
          - Look, only without foolishness!
        2. SSR
          SSR 2 February 2016 04: 27 New
          +5
          Probably they wanted to be realized in the field of real estate sales ....


          Over a thousand hotels put up for sale
          Yesterday 17: 0749
          Turkish businessmen massively sell their hotels. More precisely, they are trying to sell. On the Mediterranean coast, For Sale signs stand near 1318 hotels.

          According to observers at the local Zaman newspaper, the total value of hotels for sale is more than 10 billion dollars. For comparison, all the other 3 hotels on the coast cost less than $ 900 billion.

          - We say what is happening in reality, while Turkish officials make “brave faces”, talking about the problem. The crisis with the plane had a great influence on us, ”said the manager of one of the hotels in Antalya.

          Due to the reduced tourist flow, most of the hotels that are not yet for sale just closed. Tour operators of the country have estimated that Turkey will lose 4,5 million tourists from Russia in the coming year.
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 February 2016 19: 04 New
        0
        Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.fellow

        Media: Turkey shot down two US military helicopters in Syria, 12 marines killed

        The Turkish Air Force in Syria shot down two combat American helicopters. As a result, 12 US Marines were killed. This is reported by the American website Sorcha Faal.

        However, the Pentagon, to avoid a conflict within NATO, decided to hide this information, said the resource. Therefore, the US has spread to the media information that two American helicopters CH-53 Sea Stallion collided with each other in the sky over Hawaii. This version, in the opinion of the author of the article, was invented by the Pentagon to divert all suspicions from the true cause of the crash of helicopters and the death of people.

        As it became known, the incident occurred on January 14. The article says that a helicopter took off from an air base in Iraq and headed for Syria to deliver cargo to American and British special forces. However, the Turkish fighter fired at helicopters.
        The States chose to hide this fact because of fears of a scandal, because the 12 of the US military was killed by a US ally in NATO.
        http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/140731/
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 19: 18 New
          20
          Quote: Sid.74
          Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.

          This "news" is already two weeks old, as well as the "bomb" about the conspiracy "Turkish" version. I think this is an absolute fake. To cover their tracks, the Americans could arrange a pseudo-disaster much closer than in Hawaii. They have bases in the Middle East as well. Yes, I can cite many other counter-arguments in refutation. But why?
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 1 February 2016 19: 19 New
            +8
            Stuffing!
            shot down two combat american helicopters

            the helicopter took off


            PS: svpressa.ru - Duck Tales!
          2. Sid.74
            Sid.74 1 February 2016 19: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            This "news" is already two weeks old

            Ches word .. only today found ... and in the joint venture this news from January 22. what
          3. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 1 February 2016 21: 36 New
            0
            Yes, and why amers dumb catastrophe, and the sediment is not good. It is better to write off on the enemy, additional dividends.
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 1 February 2016 19: 31 New
          +9
          Quote: Sid.74
          Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.

          ... Zhen Batkovich .. it was back in early January .. remember the suddenly colliding 2 helicopters in Hawaii .. hi
          ... and, on the topic: ... I don’t remember that they would build walls with Friendship ?! ... with Friendship, they build bridges and tear down walls ... the impression is that the author had a slip of the tongue "according to Freud" .. quote:
          Ignoring the grumblers who constantly sow pessimism, we emphasize: friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day.
          1. Throw
            Throw 1 February 2016 20: 36 New
            11
            Yes, we have been "friends" with the Turkish people for a long time.
            From the 16 century.
            Every 20 years they were "friends".

            Only now, for some reason, they began to forget about it ..
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 1 February 2016 21: 06 New
              +6
              Quote: Lance
              Yes, we have been "friends" with the Turkish people for a long time.
              From the 16 century.
              Every 20 years they were "friends".

              ... St. George .. hi ... hello Cat Lascivious! ... Already a dozen times were Friends! .. in a hickey right down to the gums ... Sinop and Chesma are the only ones worth it (Sinop battle Alexei Petrovich Bogolyubov) ... hi
              1. Throw
                Throw 1 February 2016 21: 20 New
                +6
                Hi! wink
                They were "friends" almost two dozen times.
                And this is constantly knocking down wedges under us in the Caucasus.

                Only the leaders and the people of something lost their memory after the restructuring. Probably the "bonuses" from construction contracts, cheap antalyas and clothes with tomatoes were kicked off ...
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 1 February 2016 21: 30 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Lance
                  Hi! wink
                  They were "friends" almost two dozen times.
                  And this is constantly knocking down wedges under us in the Caucasus.

                  Only the leaders and the people of something lost their memory after the restructuring. Probably the "bonuses" from construction contracts, cheap antalyas and clothes with tomatoes were kicked off ...

                  ... not everyone ... in Kenig, LLC "Akfen" is now heavy .. the burden of the Su-24 ... hi
                  1. Throw
                    Throw 1 February 2016 21: 40 New
                    +1
                    And this reminded someone. What is not everywhere around partners and airadarts ..
                2. Vitaly72
                  Vitaly72 2 February 2016 01: 21 New
                  +2
                  Antalya for some reason causes an association with the genitals (for me personally)
        3. iConst
          iConst 1 February 2016 19: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.
          - Yes, this is a fake, so that it’s possible to push a little Rossi, or to reassure.

          I still think that I don’t really want to butt out because of the Turks.

          Moreover, Article 5 of the NATO treaty says quite extensively that each country that is a member of NATO should provide assistance
          ... by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force ...
          .

          Those. for our Baltic tigers, sending a batch of rotten sprats will be quite a normal fulfillment of the obligations of the North Atlantic Alliance.

          So, if within an hour or two after the attack on our bomber Erdogan was cracked on the head, then NATO would certainly make a noise, shout and ... calm down, saying that the Turks were crazy or crazy ... how- something like that.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 2 February 2016 00: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: iConst
            I still think that I don’t really want to butt out because of the Turks.

            Exactly, because of the Turks of NATO, we will not butt.
        4. alone
          alone 1 February 2016 20: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.


          Eugene, you seem to be a serious person, but believe such a dummy)))
        5. Lelek
          Lelek 1 February 2016 22: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Sid.74
          Comrades, if this news is true ... then this is just a bomb.


          It doesn’t look like a fake. I walked through several portals - everywhere it is confirmed. (Click.)
        6. unsinkable
          unsinkable 1 February 2016 23: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Sid.74
          However, the Pentagon, in order to avoid conflict within NATO, decided to hide this information,

          That's because of this, I think, the bomb will turn into a smoke bomb. Amerikosy, as always, will lie three boxes and will slow down this information.
      3. Beaver
        Beaver 1 February 2016 21: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Nothing extra, just BUSINESS. PARTNERS!

        good
        In this regard, I was pleased that the article says:
        Subsequently, Russia revised (and continues to revise) some of its hasty “anti-Turkish steps”, sometimes it goes on some concessions in accordance with their interests. Nevertheless, we emphasize that, as a whole, in the position of Russia there are no significant changes and mitigations.

        yes
        Exactly - Russia must perform all actions in accordance with its interests. It is strange why the Turks do not like this approach? request
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 19: 04 New
      16
      Quote: Wend
      Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.

      And Erdogan - nafig from the Turkish beach! With him, Russia, there will definitely not be a conversation now. Otherwise you will, comrades Turks, lay aside "bricks" in neponyatki. Just like your Ukrainian colleagues: "but what about us?" So for (p) Erdogan.
      1. parafoiler
        parafoiler 1 February 2016 19: 08 New
        +2
        That's it: now let them shit bricks.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 February 2016 19: 10 New
      28
      Quote: Wend
      So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.

      It will be a brick, only since November 24 they apologize, and since rats are shitting and hiding behind their backs.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 1 February 2016 19: 37 New
        +7
        vovanpain. Because of one Turkish leader, it’s not worth mocking at the flag. What has the people to do with it?
        Erdogan, as expected, has already become restricted to travel abroad. Doesn't go anywhere and nobody invites. The Turkish people cannot understand in any way that Putin is responsible for his words (which is naturally liked by many) and until Erdogan's demands are met, no warming is expected. I am afraid that Erdogan needs to change his place of work. The US and its confederates (including Turkey) shouted that Assad must leave. But it seems to me that he still has all these app. the leaders will sit out. And the time has come for Erdogan. "Erdogan must leave." Obama will surely fade soon. We must assume that Hollande, Merkel and Cameron on the next. elections will not pass either.
        GDP promised by the Yankees to assist in Afghanistan and fulfills. But many others for Georgia and Ukraine in Afghanistan would arrange a second Vietnam. hi
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 2 February 2016 00: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          What has the people to do with it?

          The people are responsible for the actions of their government.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 2 February 2016 01: 05 New
            +3
            Remember the times of EBN. hi
      2. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 2 February 2016 01: 32 New
        +2
        You shouldn’t work like that, in your youth, you worked in a garage, threw a cookie to a rat once (I have no connotation from the heart), then made friends, they are smart as people, well, my opinion is
    4. kotvov
      kotvov 1 February 2016 19: 14 New
      +1
      So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick. ,,
      it will not help anymore - time is up. now only the scalp of this sultan.
    5. Blondy
      Blondy 1 February 2016 19: 18 New
      13
      Guys, please note what a metaphor: "the wall of friendship" is definitely not our mentality.
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 1 February 2016 19: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Author
        the friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible.


        Indeed, the wall of friendship somehow does not sound like a man!
        We say - "stumbled upon a wall of misunderstanding"! (For example: L. Gurchenko, film "Love and Doves")
    6. iConst
      iConst 1 February 2016 19: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.
      - Nafing. Byzantium must be revived. Constantinople - sounds better.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 1 February 2016 19: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: iConst
        Quote: Wend
        So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.
        - Nafing. Byzantium must be revived. Constantinople - sounds better.

        If only as the Byzantine region with the regional center of Constantinople.
      2. Vend
        Vend 2 February 2016 09: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: iConst
        Quote: Wend
        So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.
        - Nafing. Byzantium must be revived. Constantinople - sounds better.

        It is enough to read the Byzantine history, also that cesspool.
    7. meriem1
      meriem1 1 February 2016 19: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: Wend
      the friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible.
      So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.


      But isn’t it too old to repent? Repentance should come from the heart, and not be pulled out from behind the teeth with pliers. The author of the article is in many ways not logical. Like all Turks in political talk shows, they strangely disappointedly round their eyes.
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      2. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 1 February 2016 20: 22 New
        +3
        The author of the article, for sure, lost large incomes from Russians. Otherwise, he is so worried about the crisis. Gazprom came, Sberbank, energy, etc. That's it - the shop closed, time to suck your Turkish paw.
      3. Vend
        Vend 2 February 2016 09: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: meriem1
        Quote: Wend
        the friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible.
        So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.


        But isn’t it too old to repent? Repentance should come from the heart, and not be pulled out from behind the teeth with pliers. The author of the article is in many ways not logical. Like all Turks in political talk shows, they strangely disappointedly round their eyes.

        It’s not too late, for starters, like a gesture of remorse and goodwill.
    8. maiman61
      maiman61 1 February 2016 20: 18 New
      +5
      "and there is still a strange silence in the air." - why is Turkey silent and not apologizing and not giving compensation? Here's the answer to all ten questions!
    9. andj61
      andj61 1 February 2016 20: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Wend
      So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane.

      So the point is not in Turkey and its people, the matter is in specific individuals - in Erdogan and Davutoglu, who do not want to recognize their actions as a crime and apologize for their actions.
      In Moscow, it was made clear that the leadership of Russia did not want to deal with these figures.
      Now it's up to the Turkish people. He will support these leaders at the next election - the situation will not change, new leaders will come to power - relations can be established.
      1. 97110
        97110 1 February 2016 21: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        Now it's up to the Turkish people.

        Democracy, as Mr. Roosevelt explained to JV Stalin, is the power of the AMERICAN people. What does the Turkish people have to do with it? The country is a member of NATO. And the 24th was shot down at the command of the US, no matter how it was arranged. And Erdogan is a hostage to the situation. Uncle Sam will allow - apologize.
      2. vex
        vex 2 February 2016 00: 12 New
        +4
        Analyze the "win-win" relationships listed by the author. They just sold their agricultural products to our market (because of this, our farmers sold less here), they earned on construction from us, receiving orders (which our builders did not receive), they received an annual flow of tourists under 3-4 million people (some of them could have rest in Russia - then long ago we would have built many hotels for different tastes and wallets), they almost got a nuclear power plant for cheap, for our loans (money could go to organize production here), they owned us real estate and skimmed the cream from the lease (the same cream could remain with us). First of all, it was profitable for them.
        And for all this they paid for the training of terrorists and their transfer to the North. The Caucasus, undermining and infecting Russophobia of the Turkic peoples of the Volga region, destroying our friendly country, voting against us at the UN, and finally shooting at a plane that did not threaten them.
        Is it worth waiting for some new Turkish leader after that to resume such "cooperation"?
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 2 February 2016 00: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: vex
          Is it worth waiting for some new Turkish leader after that to resume such "cooperation"?

          Do not be.
          The Turks supplied us with "added value" - the final product, Russia supplied Turkey with raw materials, which paid off from the Turks many times over
    10. Antitolerast
      Antitolerast 2 February 2016 09: 25 New
      +1
      What nonsense, what other compensation? And apologies after everything done and uttered? The collapse of Turkey is the best compensation.
    11. marlin1203
      marlin1203 2 February 2016 10: 28 New
      0
      Enough to talk about friendship in politics and between countries in general. There is none and never was. Even we have no friendship with the Belarusians, but a scoffing quiet. Always "one's own village" is closer and everything will be done for its sake and to the detriment of the rest. There are "partners" and categories "profitable or not profitable" and that's it! ..
  2. polite people
    polite people 1 February 2016 18: 57 New
    +7
    The Turks have always known that you can flirt with anyone, just not with a Russian. Especially now. Russia currently has the best army in the world. And our army still has one "CALIBR". Go Russia!!!
  3. St Petrov
    St Petrov 1 February 2016 18: 57 New
    16
    Turks are all about money. It would be a matter of money and compensation - on a national scale these are mere pennies

    Business is already a penny bigger.

    But this is nothing amid a stab in the back and aiding terrorism. Something the author did not write about this aspect

  4. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 1 February 2016 18: 58 New
    14
    To hell with the Turks on the snout so that the heart does not ache. A country that enthusiastically unanimously applauded the crashes of our plane cannot be our friend and partner.
  5. kg pv
    kg pv 1 February 2016 18: 58 New
    +8
    As I said at the beginning of the article, more than two months have passed, and there is still a strange silence in the air.
    E no citizen, the air is no longer silence but the provocative statements of Turkey and still in this air smells of gunpowder.
  6. 8140
    8140 1 February 2016 18: 59 New
    +8
    Apology and compensation, like a train ticket "Negotiations". And you don't need to forgive anything, politics is not a sandbox. What kind of friendship, there are only interests in interstate relations.
  7. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 1 February 2016 18: 59 New
    +6
    They begin to think, the waste is slowly passing. Just on B24 showed a map of Turkey with sold hotels. No more needed.
  8. sever.56
    sever.56 1 February 2016 19: 00 New
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    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/329/psuf544.png

    And add: - ceased to be the Ottoman Empire ... !!! crying crying wassat
  9. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 1 February 2016 19: 00 New
    +5
    Lord Turks have to pay for everything and sometimes with blood.
  10. Allax
    Allax 1 February 2016 19: 07 New
    +2
    It’s good that in Turkey there are those who want to restore good relations with Russia
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 February 2016 21: 45 New
      0
      "It's good that there are those in Turkey who want to restore good relations with Russia."

      Nothing Personal, Business and Only Business "
  11. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 19: 11 New
    +9
    Does Putin in the photo decide to break the finger of Erdogan’s dialer, or just the whole Erdogan?
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 1 February 2016 21: 14 New
      +1
      The photo is very symbolic. A threat comes from the Turk, he is the whole personification of aggression. GDP in "dull" protection with a sense of their own superiority, surrounded by people. And from the Turkish side nobody can be seen, only someone's curious nose sticks out. NATO or Kaklovsky? laughing
  12. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 19: 16 New
    +2
    The Turks won’t understand only one thing: one must learn from their past and be able to draw right conclusions. Byzantium-the Turkish state disappeared on the Byzantine lands. So, Turkey can also sink into oblivion. But whether Turkey itself disappears, is it still question questions!
  13. smith7
    smith7 1 February 2016 19: 19 New
    +3
    You can't forgive! Our pilot and marine fought for the idea of ​​peacekeeping, and they were killed "in the back." The perpetrators must be punished roughly and severely. But the strong must be generous. Calls for peace from the Turks (after exemplary repentance) should not be rejected by us.
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 1 February 2016 20: 12 New
      +2
      And where did you see this repentance, or is it, in fact, to be pulled out by the hot iron from the Turks? If it does, then only forced repentance, but it costs little and you should not count on retaliatory actions, or is it also forced? ..
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 1 February 2016 19: 20 New
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    Oh, how I put everything on the shelves, as many as ten points! One caveat, shot down our pilot, Oleg Anatolyevich Peshkov! OUR sailor died - Pozynich Alexander Mikhailovich! Eternal memory to them! What could be talking about? Walk through the forest ...
  15. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 1 February 2016 19: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    To hell with the Turks on the snout so that the heart does not ache. A country that enthusiastically unanimously applauded the crashes of our plane cannot be our friend and partner.

    I agree 100%. As long as our sea is not flooded, otherwise we will watch the cut off heads live.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 1 February 2016 21: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Cap.Nemo58rus
      If only our at sea would not be flooded, otherwise we will watch the cut off heads live.

      That is why, the entire Russian liberal elite is simply obliged to "run over" in protest against the Kremlin's policy. That's where they go. repeat
  16. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 February 2016 19: 23 New
    +7
    All about "anti-Turkish propaganda". Well, about the fact that Turkish business should buy them our good attitude. And this is a citizen of a country that once almost conquered Europe with valor and strength!
    What kind of propaganda can explain a warrior nation how is it like to kill our pilot in the back and then try to buy forgiveness?
    The chatter about the apologies supposedly needed here has already gotten pretty good. An apology is a good thing, but the traitorous bullets from the back will not fall out, the killed warrior will not get up. It seems that the different "friendship societies" there understand the Russian people much better than the author of the article. It's no use shaking languages. Turkey will have to answer with blood for the treacherous blow, otherwise it will not work.
  17. russmensch
    russmensch 1 February 2016 19: 26 New
    16
    In Russia, the atmosphere of almost “Turkophobic” propaganda has spread and has already become natural.

    Uh, dear ones, do not confuse propaganda with human resentment. Turks, not Turks, but you meanly shit, so what? Take it so easy and forget it? Will money brighten everything up? This is the case with the liberals and geyropeytsev with the states, and us differently. All my life it was - to blame, repent and make amends in all ways. Sometimes over the years ... And perhaps we will forgive, but never forget. Well, we do not have this idiotic tolerance of forgiveness.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 1 February 2016 21: 32 New
      +4
      I personally could still somehow forgive not the Turkish politicians, but the Turkish people, if they had not rejoiced at the downed plane and the killed Russians so frankly and enormously to indecent. angry This was the most effective "turkophobic" propaganda.
  18. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 1 February 2016 19: 27 New
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    Don’t make us angry, Turkish-speaking RUSSIANS. We have already covered a lot of Turkish in Bashkortostan (I am for, as a Russian captain of the Bashkir ship by nationality, I have the honor!). Build and fill the gas pipeline yourself. I also saw in Istanbul, Izmir and other cities of Turkey how potbelly stoves stick out of the five-story window panes and drown with dung. Especially in Izmir it was difficult, the city was surrounded by mountains on three sides and generally kapets (and during the day, after a sauna we jumped overboard to plunge in January — for them there was a shock — they were in the roadstead.) Then I can add a lot more.
  19. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 1 February 2016 19: 40 New
    +8
    It seems like a normal article, written from the heart, from the heart, but I do not believe it. Turkish pathological greed for money runs through her. Just a cry: "Come back, I will forgive everything!" November 24, 2015 became the "watershed point". The broken cup can be glued together, but it will no longer ring as before. Of course, contacts will begin to be restored, but on November 24 we will not forget. This dastardly stab in the back. Turkish.
  20. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 1 February 2016 19: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Cap.Nemo58rus
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    To hell with the Turks on the snout so that the heart does not ache. A country that enthusiastically unanimously applauded the crashes of our plane cannot be our friend and partner.

    I agree 100%. As long as our sea is not flooded, otherwise we will watch the cut off heads live.

    And what's wrong? There were impudent people? Americans were? Who is next? That's right, we are Russian!
  21. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 1 February 2016 19: 51 New
    -1
    Don’t make us angry, Turkish-speaking RUSSIANS.

    And then what? And who are the Turkic-speaking Russians? I have not heard about such.
    1. akims
      akims 1 February 2016 20: 20 New
      +3
      Azerbaijani and Turkish languages ​​are similar to each other. Something like Russian and Ukrainian, even closer.
    2. SSW-GSM
      SSW-GSM 1 February 2016 20: 26 New
      +3
      Bashkirs Tatars Yakuts Chuvashs Nogays Crimean Tatars, etc.,
    3. lex locis
      lex locis 2 February 2016 14: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Cap.Nemo58rus
      And then what? And who are the Turkic-speaking Russians? I have not heard about such.


      All Türks can be considered Türkic-speaking. And we have a fair number of nationalities, and do not count. What school did you go to? I suppose in EGE-chick ...
  22. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 1 February 2016 19: 52 New
    +4
    The other day, they wrote about some bombs for Turkey on the site.
    What a bomb!
    Finally, to ban the delivery of clothes and auto components from Turkey - these are two super-bombs with a shocking radius for Turkey! Tourists are already off season, their flow at this time is negligible. But clothes and auto components under the bans for some reason did not fall. Probably someone in the Duma is roofing this business, its fifth column.
  23. Vladislav 73
    Vladislav 73 1 February 2016 19: 57 New
    +3
    Yes, what kind of relationship is it, if the Turks again made a record about the fact that the Russian plane again violated the space of a peace-loving Turkey ... And now let Russia justify before NATO ... And from Fashington we already threatened with a finger, like we were sitting far, looking far, we see everything ... request Well, how then to talk? With whom? request
  24. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 1 February 2016 19: 59 New
    +3
    "... and there is still a strange silence in the air ..."
    Somehow I didn't understand! Should Russia be the first to "speak" ?!
  25. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 1 February 2016 19: 59 New
    -1
    I googled "Turkish-speaking Russians". Google gave out an advertisement for Turkish hotels. I never trusted Google, but here I agree with him!
    1. SSW-GSM
      SSW-GSM 1 February 2016 20: 31 New
      +2
      google the Turkic-speaking peoples of Russia. They are dearer than brothers - Slavs such as Bulgarians, Croats, Poles and Bosnians
  26. akims
    akims 1 February 2016 20: 28 New
    +2
    I do not know what is the ratio of "boy-girl" in Russia, but in Ukraine it is 1: 3, in Turkey it is 5: 1. Plus local Turkish ladies - mostly real crocodiles! Hence there are a lot of mixed marriages - even Ani Lorak married a Turk. So it's not only because of the grannies that the natives there are nervous.
  27. Flinky
    Flinky 1 February 2016 20: 32 New
    0
    You haven’t answered us yet for Nazim Hikmet, cattle.
  28. wandlitz
    wandlitz 1 February 2016 20: 36 New
    +2
    As the Kremlin stiffens, the Russian media publish extremely harsh, nationalistic, and even hateful materials about Turkey and the Turks ...
    What is the author beguiled. His thoughts ascribes actions to us ....
  29. novel66
    novel66 1 February 2016 20: 52 New
    +4
    Zrdogan's head on a platter, and their "pilot's hero" to our base with explanations (well, if he can explain something) - these are the first bricks.
  30. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 February 2016 21: 47 New
    0
    "The ashes of Klaas are beating in the heart!"
  31. Sergey Eremin
    Sergey Eremin 1 February 2016 21: 48 New
    0
    The quality of presentation hides the weakness of conclusions.
    The president was more concise and accurate!
  32. 72jora72
    72jora72 1 February 2016 23: 03 New
    +3
    At the same time, it is clear that Turkish-Russian ties with more than 500 years of history are valuable regardless of the two leaders
    I liked the phrase most about communication ...
  33. Olegi1
    Olegi1 2 February 2016 00: 09 New
    +1
    To this end, “pressure groups” must be created in both countries.


    Who is this "naive Albanian" going to put pressure on? On our president, or what? am
  34. vex
    vex 2 February 2016 00: 38 New
    +2
    Closer to the tourist season, their attempts to allegedly make peace will increase exponentially. Their position is approximately the following:
    - Russian, dear, how is it that we rely (on the side: for your money) on you in tourism, on supplies of clothes, agricultural products, this was always a profitable (side: for us) business, and you because of one Do you want to change the plane? Well, we can’t apologize, it’s not our way (to the side: all of Turkey was proud of this victory), you just have to forget everything - this is what true partners do. Come on, we'll sit down, talk, and who needs gilded hands, and we will return everything, okay? But, as a true partner, you will still have to remember our interests in Syria. We don’t mind that you take the Donbass, and you don’t interfere with Syria, even the northern one. Take away the troops, okay? And persuade the Armenians to leave their Karabakh. And do not interfere with our pan-Turkic ties with the Turks of Russia (aside: we want to unite with them). And think again how the attitude in the world will improve for you if you return Crimea to Ukraine (aside: we ourselves had views of it).
  35. igorv501
    igorv501 2 February 2016 05: 08 New
    +2
    I personally and all my acquaintances have not lost anything from breaking up with Turks. I prefer to rest on MOTHERLAND.
  36. guzik007
    guzik007 2 February 2016 09: 42 New
    +2
    To be friends, not friends? IMHO, Turkey has always been and will be our implacable enemy. It’s all about her Caucasian interests, which they will never give up. And the last warming is just a clear confirmation of my words, paradoxically, it’s just that the Turks have become smarter after realizing that we won’t take us in our forehead, they use the method of creeping expansion in trade, opening joint ventures. open their lyceums. And what does this threaten us with? In trade and industry, the attachment of officials through inevitable bribes. Here is its own lobby. And with lyceums in general a misfortune. It is easiest to sculpt your future fifth column from children.
    so, as Bodrov said: "you are not my brother with ... and damn .... me." our entire policy, in my opinion, towards Turkey should be reduced to its quiet collapse into several small states, with interests of different vectors. Then we will be guaranteed to be relieved of "stabs in the back" in the future.
  37. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 2 February 2016 09: 49 New
    -1
    Erdogans come and go, but the Turkish people remain (some change in the words of Stalin about Germany).
  38. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 February 2016 10: 23 New
    +2
    Rummaged in consciousness in the subconscious.
    Well, I don’t have hatred for the Turks for some reason ... Maybe because we always beat them and now this is also a weak opponent for us?
    We fought with them in battles honestly, in general.
    Of course, it would be worth presenting them for the Armenians, but even though the case and the past will not go anywhere, they will answer ...
    Who will communicate with the person who made you a vile thing and disgusting? In normal condition - no one!
    So the line of behavior of Russia is quite reasonable - to stop communicating with scoundrels. Only it is necessary to do this systematically, purposefully and through all channels. Shit and not apologize? - Fucked nafik out of sight!
    There can be no compromise with the bastards! It is necessary to finish it off, quietly crush, so that the palm of your hand is knocked frantically on the carpet.
  39. mamont5
    mamont5 2 February 2016 12: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Wend
    the friendship wall, which was built for decades, was destroyed in one day. Now, to build it again, you need to lay the first bricks as soon as possible.
    So what's the matter? Let Turkey apologize, pay compensation for the dead and the downed plane. This will be the best brick.

    ... and will extradite those guilty of the death of our pilot. Then we'll see ...
  40. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 2 February 2016 18: 44 New
    0
    Quote: SSW-GSM
    google the Turkic-speaking peoples of Russia. They are dearer than brothers - Slavs such as Bulgarians, Croats, Poles and Bosnians

    Slavs-written with "a". Learn RUSSIAN language, dear!
  41. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 2 February 2016 18: 46 New
    0
    And the Croats, Poles and Bulgarians are still brothers!