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The “outdated” Russian army shocks the West and Israel with high-tech equipment (The Independent, United Kingdom)

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Their military equipment and strategy are “outdated”, the bombs and missiles of their air force are “more stupid than smart”, and their Russian fleet is “more rusty than efficient”. For several decades, this was the prevailing opinion of Western military leaders about their Russian counterparts. But what they saw in Syria and in Ukraine was a shock for them.

In Syria, Russian military aircraft made more sorties a day than a coalition led by the United States produced in a month. The Russian Navy launched missiles from the Caspian Sea over a distance of more than 1,5 thousands of kilometers and ensured the safety of supply lines leading to Syria. The air defense system deployed by the Russians in Syria and in the east of Ukraine made the possible strikes of the West against the Assad regime and the Ukrainian separatists extremely dangerous.

The commander of the US Army in Europe, Ben Hodges (Ben Hodges) recently said that Russia's success in the development of electronic warfare in Syria and Ukraine - that is, in the area where the Russian, by all accounts, has always seriously lagged behind - "fabulous".

The commander of the US Air Force in Europe and Africa, General Frank Gorenc (Frank Gorenc) reported that Moscow is now deploying anti-aircraft complexes in the Crimea, which the Kremlin annexed last year, and in Kaliningrad, an enclave located between Lithuania and Poland. According to him, as a result, NATO aircraft will be extremely difficult to safely reach some areas, including a number of regions of Poland.

Russia is watched with alarm not only by NATO members. Israel, too, is watching the buildup of Russia's military potential at its northern border in Syria and wonders what this will lead to. Israel suspects this is a high-tech weaponwhich is already in the Middle East will eventually fall into Iran, which is considered an existential threat to Israel, or into the hands of other Arab states, thus nullifying all of Israel’s advantages over its airborne neighbors.

It is this military power that underlies the strategic triumphs of President Vladimir Putin. Moscow’s intervention in the Syrian conflict has changed its course, and what is happening in Syria now depends largely on its will. The Ukrainian conflict became “semi-frozen” - on its terms. Russia has entered into an alliance with the Kurds, not paying attention to the outrage of Turkey. More importantly, the Russians are now returning to Egypt - on a scale not seen in the last 44 of the year, since President Anwar Sadat has driven them out.

In an interview with The Independent, one of the leading analysts of the Israeli military intelligence said last week: "Anyone who wants to do something in this region should turn to Moscow."

Putin takes pleasure in pointing out the significance of the fact that the West has finally realized that the weapon, “the first thing really is ... and it really is of high quality. The third is that there are people who are well trained, trained, and who can use it systematically. And fourth, Russia has the will to use it if it is in the national interests of the state and the Russian people. ”

In Syria, the Russian Air Force daily inflicts as many blows (up to 96) as a coalition led by the United States inflicted per month. And according to Western military strategists, this is very different from how quickly the NATO alliance felt the burden of bombing campaigns in Libya and Kosovo.

One of the reasons for such a limited number of combat missions is that Sunni states belonging to this coalition do not conduct any operations, focusing on Iranian-supported Hussites in Yemen. And most of Turkey’s military operations are directed against the Kurds, and not at all against ISIS.

According to Western military officials, Russians also strike other rebel groups under the pretext of attacks against ISIS, and they are less picky about their targets, because they pay much less attention to evidence of civilian deaths, as well as due to the lack of precision weapons.

But Russia has never promised that it will attack only ISIS. Moreover, she said she would fight "all terrorists." And the list of "terrorists" - which is very convenient for Mr. Putin and President Bashar al-Assad - included rebel groups of a more moderate sense. The experience of the Chechen wars shows that the Kremlin is much more willing to dismiss "collateral damage" than the West. It is worth noting that at the initial stage of the Syrian mission of Moscow, the Russian military used an insufficient number of guided bombs and missiles: Moscow’s statements that it used high-precision weapons do not stand up to scrutiny.

Among the airplanes, rockets and bombs that were used at the beginning, there were both old ones, left from the Soviet times, and relatively new ones. In Latakia, there are now 34 aircraft with a wing of unchangeable geometry: X-NUMX Su-12 bombers and four Su-25CM, 30 aging Su-12М24 and six Su-2. There are also helicopters and an unspecified number of UAVs.

However, now more and more old aircraft are being replaced by advanced Su-34 bombers. One of the reasons is that such aircraft as the Su-25 - a veteran of the wars in Chechnya and Georgia - are vulnerable to man-portable air defense systems that are suspected by Moscow, Turkey and Saudi Arabia to supply to the Sunni rebels.

The deployment of advanced air defense systems began to gain momentum from the moment the Russian bomber crashed down by the Turkish Air Force. The Triumph C-400 system is of great concern to Israel, which fears that it may be in the wrong hands. This system consists of a radar that continuously monitors the sky, and a battery of rockets that are capable of hitting targets at a distance of 400 kilometers. One such system is located at the Russian military base in Latakia, and about half of Israel’s airspace falls into its cover area.

The deployment in Russia and Syria of Ukraine of electronic warfare, such as Krasukha-4, which can interfere with interfering radiation on Avaks and satellite radars, was another sobering discovery for NATO. Deputy Chief of the US Army Cyber ​​Command Ronald Pontius (Ronald Pontius) said: "We can not come to the conclusion that the speed of our progress is inferior to the growth rate of the threat."

Complaining about the increase in Russia's military potential and expressing concern about the capabilities of NATO, General Gorenk acknowledged that Russia does not violate any international agreements and "has every right" to deploy these systems. According to him, in Syria, the Russians use “cruise missiles, they use bombers. Obviously, they are striving to demonstrate the means at their disposal in order to influence not only the events in this region, but also the situation around the world. ”

That is their goal. Now the West needs to decide whether to respond to this by initiating a new chapter of confrontation with Moscow, or continue to adapt to its growing ambitions.
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 1 February 2016 05: 39
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    in Syria and Ukraine, came as a shock to them.
    And what did they see this in Ukraine? repeat
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 1 February 2016 05: 46
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      The “outdated” Russian army shocks the West and Israel with high-tech equipment (The Independent, United Kingdom)

      These are just flowers ..., God forbid you ("partners" - an anchor in your bunch) berries to see ... !!!
      1. andre
        andre 1 February 2016 05: 51
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        In the meantime - "The leadership of the General Staff decided for the first time to test the latest Su-35S fighters in combat conditions in Syria. According to unofficial information, we are talking about four aircraft, which were transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces by the aviation plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in October-November last year, - the newspaper writes with reference to a source in the operational military command.
        Well, what Turkish turmoil - will fight in the air?
        1. andre
          andre 1 February 2016 05: 57
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          And the article is just another nonsense - it feels like only Russia is modernizing and using the technology of the 70-80s, and NATO flies on "carpets of the planes of the future"
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 1 February 2016 06: 17
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            From the text of the article
            Now the West needs to decide whether to respond to this by initiating a new chapter of confrontation with Moscow or continue to adapt to its growing ambitions.

            This is not the “growing ambitions” of Russia, but the sovereign right of a huge country to defend its national interests in the international arena. Moreover, under the conditions of manifestation of constant external aggression against it - political, economic - and the military threat.
            1. cniza
              cniza 1 February 2016 08: 21
              +6
              The Kremlin is much more prepared to dismiss "collateral damage" than the West. It is worth noting that at the initial stage of the Syrian mission of Moscow, the Russian military used an insufficient number of guided air bombs and missiles: Moscow’s statements that it used precision weapons do not hold water.



              Again, continuous propaganda, but where is the evidence or do you have to poke your nose with whom and how the US coalition is bombing?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 1 February 2016 10: 15
                +3
                cniza
                Again, continuous propaganda , and where is the evidence or do you have to poke your nose, whom and how is the US coalition bombing?

                It is American propaganda! Here is an example!
                Since the Americans themselves did not have much to brag about the results of the US Air Force bombing, the American media brazenly issued the shooting of the Russian Ministry of Defense with the most accurate air strikes of the Russian Armed Forces for the success of US air strikes.
              2. oldzek
                oldzek 1 February 2016 17: 22
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                if you remember ALL past wars and conflicts, it was in the west that they spat on the so-called incidental damage. In general, whose cow would mumble ...
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          2. Homo
            Homo 1 February 2016 06: 27
            +8
            Quote: andre
            And the article is just another nonsense - it feels like only Russia is modernizing and using the technology of the 70-80s, and NATO flies on "carpets of the planes of the future"

            Have you carefully read the article or just mastered the title? The article is just about what they believed - that we have the 19th century, but we already had 21. But here they are stuck at 20!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 February 2016 07: 59
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              Quote: Homo
              The article is just about what they believed - that we have the 19th century, but we already had 21. But here they are stuck at 20!

              Article crap! Rather, another attempt to present a military threat from Russia. Bubla more pull on the military budget.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 1 February 2016 09: 25
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                Article crap! Rather, another attempt to present a military threat from Russia. Bubla more pull on the military budget.

                Well, not quite crap, but working with public opinion about the increase in military budgets is quite visible to myself.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 1 February 2016 13: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Well, not quite crap, but working with public opinion about the increase in military budgets is quite visible to myself.

                  So this "work" concerns not only Russia. The same - if not even to a greater extent - screams are heard about China, as well as on more "minor" reasons - Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc. There are several reasons - and the struggle for the military budget, and the election campaign in the United States, and even the desire to share the burden of military spending with the Europeans: otherwise they have only reduced military spending for the last 20 years.
              2. Dazdranagon
                Dazdranagon 1 February 2016 10: 27
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Article crap! Rather, another attempt to present a military threat from Russia. Bubla more pull on the military budget.
                - so it’s been with them since the Cold War! Most of all I like the divorce of the population into individual bomb shelters - here someone is welded! laughing
          3. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 1 February 2016 08: 19
            +1
            They are simply twisted by the fact that we are right on target with ordinary bombs, and NATO is counting the latest adjustable bombs and missiles on the fingers!
          4. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 1 February 2016 09: 11
            +3
            Yes, an article on the big aspects of nonsense. I was most hooked that they are less choosy in their choice of targets, since they pay much less attention to evidence of civilian deaths, and also due to a lack of precision weapons. . They are us. What cynicism on the part of nonhumans who bomb the hospitals and infrastructure all over the world for decades.
          5. guzik007
            guzik007 1 February 2016 09: 13
            +2
            The bombs may be outdated, but the latest sights put their bowler in the bowler.
            The author should first ask, at least look through the BO, or what?
        2. gjv
          gjv 1 February 2016 06: 46
          +8
          Quote: andre
          In the meantime - "The leadership of the General Staff decided for the first time to test the newest Su-35S fighters in combat conditions in Syria. According to unofficial information.

          On January 30, 2016, four of the newest multifunctional Su-35S Russian airborne fighters were transferred to the Russian aviation group at the Syrian air base Khmeimim near Latakia.
          These four Su-35S fighters, after the transfer of the airborne forces, became part of the 2014rd fighter aviation regiment of the 23rd Guards Combined Aviation Division of the 303th Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District at the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on, re-equipped with fighters of this type in 11 Amure. However, almost immediately at the end of November 2015, these four fighters flew from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to the Privolzhsky airfield near Astrakhan, where the 116th Combat Use Training Center of the 185th Combat Training and Combat Application Center of the Russian Aerospace Forces is located. The distant Su-35S fighters were not included in the 116th Center, and the purpose of their stay in the Volga was unknown to observers. It was reported about the participation of these aircraft in the expanded program of State tests of the Su-35S.
          In January 2016, photographs of these four Su-35Ss, taken at the Privolzhsky airfield, appeared, for the first time among machines of this type equipped with new containers of the L-265M10 active jamming complex at the wingtips. Containers L-265M10 are part of the standard electronic warfare system L-175M10-35S "Khibiny-M" of the Su-35S fighter, but until recently they were not observed on combat aircraft of this type. As you can see in the photographs above, four Su-35Ss were sent to Syria with L-265M10 containers.



          Four Su-35S fighters of the latest construction of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. flew to Syria. Gagarin (a branch of Sukhoi Company JSC), transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces in October and November 2015 - aircraft with red side numbers "03", "04", "05" and "06" (serial numbers 02517, 02518, 02619 and 02620, respectively).
          According to well-known information, these Su-35S aircraft made a flight to Syria from the Volga airport (Astrakhan region), led by the passenger aircraft Tu-154M of the Russian Air Force (registration number RA-85042).
          1. crambol
            crambol 1 February 2016 10: 14
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            In January 2016, photographs of these four Su-35Ss, taken at the Privolzhsky airfield, appeared, for the first time among machines of this type equipped with new containers of the L-265M10 active jamming complex at the wingtips. Containers L-265M10 are part of the standard electronic warfare system L-175M10-35S "Khibiny-M" of the Su-35S fighter, but until recently they were not observed on combat aircraft of this type. As you can see in the photographs above, four Su-35Ss were sent to Syria with L-265M10 containers.


            On behalf of the Pentagon, thanks for the information. Informed talkers are always appreciated by enemy intelligence.


            1. gjv
              gjv 1 February 2016 11: 23
              +1
              The chatterbox is a godsend for a spy.
              Spy - Resident of National Air and Space Intelligence Center George crambol - fiery greetings. bully
              By the way, the Pentagon representative, the primary source of information from the forum Modelers Forum on ScaleModels.ru. Read it too. hi
              Here are some comments from this forum.
              tactics We are obviously preparing to fight not with Daesh. Is the situation so bad?

              antiob Who knows, maybe it has worsened, or maybe not, and Sushki is just "just in case." Better they will be at hand and not needed than they will not be at the right time. I would like, in any case, to think so ...

              Desdi To a large extent, this is a landfill. Moreover, the entire target environment (bunkers, equipment, other objects) was built a long time ago and somewhere even at our expense. And if not for ours, it’s even better. Trained guys. 4 Su-35 is just four cars ... the figure itself is about nothing, we need context. The Turks are again protesting something, apparently the Su-30 does not have time to cover everyone.
              1. andj61
                andj61 1 February 2016 13: 08
                +1
                Quote: gjv
                The chatterbox is a godsend for a spy.

                Quote: crambol
                On behalf of the Pentagon, thanks for the information. Informed talkers are always appreciated by enemy intelligence.

                You might think that the adversaries are not aware of this ... repeat
                All media have already reported this.
        3. Blondy
          Blondy 1 February 2016 06: 50
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          My heart feels that soon there will be a line for these SU-35s, as there will be no more plants for the Pacific herring in Soviet Ukraine. Any F 22, and even more so, F 35 has nothing to catch, and apparently, it makes sense to create, or use, new aircraft building capacities, only at Beria’s, and not Chubais’s pace.
          1. cergey51046
            cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 28
            +2
            And if the T-50, it’s generally dead.
            1. Blondy
              Blondy 1 February 2016 10: 10
              +1
              T 50 so far only for domestic consumption. There the engine will soon be a little completely different.
        4. mirag2
          mirag2 1 February 2016 07: 16
          -6
          Well, what Turkish turmoil - will fight in the air? it's about four planes
          -It seems to me that 4 planes do not get much navoyesh.
          1. Blondy
            Blondy 1 February 2016 07: 32
            +5
            Quote: mirag2
            It seems to me that there are not many naval forces that can be used with 4 planes.

            And what, is it really required for testing "in the field" a whole avibrigade?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 February 2016 08: 00
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              Quote: Blondy
              And what, is it really required for testing "in the field" a whole avibrigade?

              One problem, the aircraft is raw, there are no missiles for it. On the problems of SU 35, Sergey Bongo has already written several times.
            2. cergey51046
              cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 26
              -1
              In vain, and there is one warrior in the sky, and the T-50 squadron stands.
        5. GRAY
          GRAY 1 February 2016 09: 48
          0
          Quote: andre
          Well, what Turkish turmoil - will fight in the air?

          In fact, the "bzdypasha" will have more planes - if he decides to fly, he will quickly gain air superiority.
          We'll have to reward him with rocket attacks for this ...
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 1 February 2016 05: 48
      +9
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      The same question arose. Perhaps they have forgotten since WWII what the stubbornness of the Russian people is and this is mistaken for a new Russian weapon.
      1. Sid.74
        1 February 2016 06: 11
        +4
        Another thing is the United States ... laughing

        National Defense: the modernization of the US Army completely failed
        http://m.ria.ru/world/20160131/1367913251.html?rubric=sys_daynews&sort=sortkey
        1. cergey51046
          cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 21
          +1
          Everyone in the US is rowing in his pocket.
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 1 February 2016 11: 21
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          Another thing is the United States ... laughing

          National Defense: the modernization of the US Army completely failed
          http://m.ria.ru/world/20160131/1367913251.html?rubric=sys_daynews&sort=sortkey


          For me there was a complete revelation that they were stealing more than ours. And corruption was replaced by the beautiful word -lobbying.

          Such a bitter pill for all fans of the US super-democratic parasitic education.
      2. not a Jew
        not a Jew 1 February 2016 06: 13
        +1
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Perhaps they have forgotten since WWII what stubbornness of the Russian people is

        Well, now let’s say as it is: stand up all 5 millionth Donbass in one line shoulder to shoulder, the war would have ended.
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      4. cergey51046
        cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 24
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        They saw in the Russian Crimea such radar irradiation that, upon entering the Black Sea (Russian Sea), they abandoned their intentions and retreated to the nearest port.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 1 February 2016 06: 15
      0
      Yes, a donut hole .. That's all
    4. Homo
      Homo 1 February 2016 06: 22
      +4
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      Unique troops, Yakutsk armored cavalry and Cheburashka super weapons! soldier
    5. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 1 February 2016 06: 25
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      According to him, in Syria, Russians use “cruise missiles, use bombers.” Obviously, they are striving to demonstrate the means at their disposal in order to influence not only the events in this region, but also the situation around the world. ”



      Givi and Motorola.
    6. bistrov.
      bistrov. 1 February 2016 06: 37
      +1
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      Ukrainian punitive forces had to completely abandon the use of aircraft, due to the large losses from the use of air defense militias.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 18
        +1
        This refers to the Russian Crimea, which they consider Ukrainian. Well, stupid.
    7. pvv113
      pvv113 1 February 2016 07: 05
      +2
      Here, most likely, not the fact of what they saw, but the assumption that they can see in the event of NATO intervention hi
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 16
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        I completely agree, here are still connected four 35's, let them see. There would be a couple of T-50s.
    8. meriem1
      meriem1 1 February 2016 07: 45
      +1
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      in Syria and Ukraine, came as a shock to them.
      And what did they see this in Ukraine? repeat

      WILL SEE IF YOU DO NOT START THINKING. Hercules, which falls during the landing in Borispol and is stuffed with "non-lethal" weapons, is not at all included in their plans. But it has already become clear that this is an objective reality.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 14
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        By Ukraine, they mean the Russian Crimea.
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 1 February 2016 08: 49
          +2
          Ronald Pontius, deputy chief of the US Army Cyber ​​Command, said: “One cannot help but conclude that the speed of our progress is inferior to the growth rate of the threat.”
          Do the words of the American mean that the US and NATO have any military inclinations "progress", and the forced retaliatory measures of our country - the Russian Federation - "are a growing threat"? What about the twenty military operations and wars of conquest that the United States and NATO have waged over the past 50 years around the world? Well, about the fact that Russia was taken into the ring of countries - members of the North Atlantic Alliance, you can not even remind. Should we surrender !? Figu you, gentlemen from the Pentagon, as well as all your hangers-on and under-fence mongrels like Turkey! Our cause is just - not yours! Therefore, the victory will be ours - not yours! And no one is a pointer to us! Enough, suffered humiliation. Now everything will be different! Now - and forever!
          Russians do not like their enemies. It would be strange if things were different. We are actually a people of warriors. Centuries did not pass, so we did not fight. Not with one, so with others. And yes, the Russians are not Tolstoyans. This is propaganda about the fact that the Russians are supposedly ready to kiss the noble enemy in the gums. Fuck there. We are Scythians, and we are Asians. We love our enemy baked with “armor” in motor oil, under a fried crispy crust. The dead don't bite. We do not know pity. And you thought it would be different? Oblomchik. Who do Russians love? Surprisingly, the Russians love everyone. Everyone who does not look at us through the slot of the sight. Anyone who does not try to mix our people with dirt. We are absolutely parallel with whom to be friends - if only friendship was without a stone behind us. It makes no difference what nationality or religion a person is, if only he was a person. Personally, it doesn’t matter to me at all with whom to communicate - with a Georgian, Ukrainian, American, Chechen or Greek. The main thing is the lack of bias. But don't make us angry. This is for everyone and always ends very badly. Alec Ivanov
    9. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 34
      +1
      Not in Ukraine, but in the Russian Crimea, which they continue to consider Ukrainian. Apparently this will die with the United States. They persist in resentment that ours did not allow them to seize Crimea.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 February 2016 08: 41
        0
        Quote: cergey51046
        Not in Ukraine, but in the Russian Crimea, which they continue to consider Ukrainian. Apparently this will die with the United States. They persist in resentment that ours did not allow them to seize Crimea.

        % Why Crimea 7 if they captured the whole of Ukraine?
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 1 February 2016 10: 13
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          % Why Crimea 7 if they captured the whole of Ukraine?

          How is this why? Total control over the Black Sea and a sickly piece of Russia. The Navy and Air Force bases, the Marine Corps rapid response corps, excellent positions for missile weapons and missile defense, their beloved one can be pushed into heaps (to protect against Iran and North Korea, of course) - so much is all about $ early.
        2. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 1 February 2016 10: 33
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Why Crimea 7 if they captured all of Ukraine?
          - Why do we need a peninsula with military bases of the Navy, which allows you to control the entire Black Sea? And the truth is why ... laughing
    10. GRAY
      GRAY 1 February 2016 09: 40
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      "Aistenka" was probably seen at the Russian monitoring group. lol
      Well, maybe more, they have a couple of drones from those that are newer and more interesting "deserted".
    11. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 1 February 2016 10: 26
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?
      - I'm sorry, what..? How can you defeat the most powerful army in Europe without introducing troops! laughing
    12. Kent0001
      Kent0001 1 February 2016 11: 05
      +1
      Crimea was returned without a single shot. In general, they were shocked by our ability to secretly and quickly do everything.
    13. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 1 February 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Like that - we squeezed Crimea from the USA. Even at the moment when they already hung a napkin on his chest, picked up a knife and a fork ...
      Yes, even so elegantly squeezed.
    14. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 1 February 2016 12: 06
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      But because they did not see it, they smelled it with their butt and realized that "IT" is there. Do you remember the joke about the gopher? wink
    15. Belopolyak
      Belopolyak 1 February 2016 21: 49
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And what did they see this in Ukraine?

      We are talking about Crimea and the electronic warfare equipment deployed there, as I understand it ... well, how everything was clearly turned around with Crimea 2 years ago.
  2. Alexei
    Alexei 1 February 2016 05: 39
    21
    Yes, no one there is shocked by technology, they are all there shocked by the fact that Russia generally dared to intervene.
    1. cap
      cap 1 February 2016 07: 45
      +3
      Quote: Alexej
      Yes, no one there is shocked by technology, they are all there shocked by the fact that Russia generally dared to intervene.


      “General Gorenk admitted that Russia does not violate any international agreements and“ has every right ”to deploy these systems. According to him, in Syria, Russians use “cruise missiles, use bombers. Obviously, they are striving to demonstrate the means at their disposal in order to influence not only the events in this region, but also the situation around the world. ”
      “Now the West needs to decide whether to respond to this by initiating a new head of confrontation with Moscow, or continue to adapt to its growing ambitions.”
      While General Goreng and his comrades are knocking on a tambourine, Russia is really helping the Syrian people, Bashar al-Assad and the world as a whole. The ancients wrote about this. The general probably taught at the academy, but for some reason prefers not to remember.
      “Drums and timpani, gongs and bells act
      on the ears;
      Banners, flags, flags and bunches
      on the eyes
      Prohibitions, punishments and punishments
      to the hearts
      When sound affects the ears, it cannot
      not be clear;
      When color affects the eyes,
      may not be understandable;
      When the heart is punished
      There can be no accuracy.
      The state will certainly be defeated by the enemy,
      if these three rules are not followed.
      Therefore they say:
      on the signal flag of the commander
      all without exception follow in the indicated direction;
      by order of the commander
      everyone is moving forward without fear of death. ”
      Wu Tzu said (484 BC), I just repeated. hi
  3. venaya
    venaya 1 February 2016 05: 41
    10
    “Anyone who wants to do something in this region should turn to Moscow.”

    Such an image is expensive, difficult to earn, but easy to lose. I hope that our management and all of us will never hit it in the face and in the future we will keep this brand of a reliable partner anywhere in the world.
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 1 February 2016 06: 21
      +3
      Putin takes pleasure in pointing out the significance of the fact that the West has finally realized that the weapon, “the first thing really is ... and it really is of high quality. The third is that there are people who are well trained, trained, and who can use it systematically. And fourth, Russia has the will to use it if it is in the national interests of the state and the Russian people. ”

      The fourth paragraph needs confirmation. Then it will not be scary for the image.
      1. gjv
        gjv 1 February 2016 13: 55
        0
        It is this military power that underlies the strategic triumphs of President Vladimir Putin ...

        Putin enjoys pointing out the significance ...
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Then it will not be scary for the image

        The image is also subject to "squatting" and trolling. Here's an example.
        The new logo of the Khabarovsk airport


        But the Internet chips, including Putin's







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        1. atalef
          atalef 1 February 2016 13: 57
          0
          Quote: gjv
          The image is also subject to "squatting" and trolling. Here's an example


  4. CRONOS
    CRONOS 1 February 2016 05: 43
    +7
    OUTDOOR ARMY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION! YOU ARE NOT SEEN ANOTHER! SHOCK !! 111!
    Does the heading remind you of anything? Junk is also enough in all other armies, especially in the USA, where the technology of the 70s flies fully, crawls and rides. And do not interfere in one heap of populism from the rostrum, TV screens and a real understanding of affairs in relation to the probable adversaryto the partner.
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 09
      +1
      Here in England the fleet breaks down.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 1 February 2016 05: 45
    15
    one of the leading Israeli military intelligence analysts said last week: "Anyone who wants to do something in this region should turn to Moscow."


    Rather like that ...

    “Maybe, at first, on all international issues, everyone calls to Washington, but then Washington calls all the time to Moscow.


    Respect Zakharovoy hi

    She knows her job perfectly ... bravo.
    1. izya top
      izya top 1 February 2016 05: 58
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Respect Zakharovoy

      even from her performances, wings prevent us from crawling.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 1 February 2016 06: 01
        18
        “I wanted to answer the question:“ What did the West expect when it introduced these sanctions lists? ” I want to tell you, they were counting on one thing, that we would crawl up to them with the request: "Let's play it somehow ...", but they keep forgetting the same thing: historically, wings prevent us from crawling. "

        So it will be clearer ... for respected members of the forum ... hi
  6. dckx
    dckx 1 February 2016 05: 53
    10
    "... is it worth responding to this by initiating a new head of confrontation with Moscow or continue to adapt to its growing ambitions"- the statement of the proposal is not correct. It's not about Moscow's ambitions, but about infringing on the exorbitant ambitions of the West. Learn to call things by their proper names and it's time to stop considering yourself exceptional (this is how you can Exclude ...)
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 06: 03
    11
    Planes are collected in an old rusty hangar, and bombs and missiles are literally "on the knee"? Why are you afraid of us to the shit then? Forgot to add that your England, like the United States, is one of the main terrorists in the world, you need to bomb, not Syria.
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Airplanes are collected in an old rusty hangar, and bombs and missiles are literally "on your knees"? Why are you afraid of us then?
      For the bomb, it doesn’t matter where it was assembled if it flew over. It doesn’t matter what the rusty and old hangar was in which the plane was assembled if it flew.
  8. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 1 February 2016 06: 04
    +2
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    in Syria and Ukraine, came as a shock to them.
    And what did they see this in Ukraine? repeat


    So I have the same question? belay Petka sang probably, they are poor and believed. It's a shame Assam're coming out-Luftwaffe, because they were thrown from the sky by means of "Strela" 2M, which, in turn, was stolen from their warehouses laughing
    Maybe they certainly mean Crimea ..? They have aerial reconnaissance there, they won’t ask how ... Yes, another empty bell, in short: AAAA, everything is gone! Russians are coming..! Small British chimes.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 1 February 2016 06: 07
    -2
    the author cannot be denied the foresight of thought and his "It is obvious that they (Russia) are striving to demonstrate the means at their disposal in order to influence not only the events in this region, but also the situation in the whole world", and is it worth responding to this by initiating the new head of the confrontation with Moscow, or continue to adapt to its growing ambitions ", or someone has other opinions and ways of solving the current circumstances ...
  10. Same lech
    Same lech 1 February 2016 06: 13
    +3
    The point is not in Moscow’s ambitions, but in the infringement of the exorbitant ambitions of the West

    Right....

    However, the availability of modern weapons is not enough to limit these ambitions of the WEST ...
    it should be a whole range of measures ... starting with ours, no matter how trite this sounds like an economy.
    We must show the WEST that we can wage a grueling war that our adversary cannot master purely economically.
    Now there is a dangerous situation with TURKEY .... ERDOGAN may have a roof go and he will give an order to attack our VKS in Syria ... then war is inevitable.
    Further, recent information attacks on PUTIN vividly showed that there were no other means of influencing RUSSIA in the WEST and pressure had already shifted to individuals (insults, lies, juggling facts, half-truths ... tricks are old and commonplace).
    But the trouble for the WEST is that we know all their tricks and we are ready to fight against them and the WEST is not ready for active resistance on our part.
  11. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 1 February 2016 06: 15
    +1
    Outdated airplanes with young pilots, updated PNK and old bombs that were lying in the warehouse and waiting in the wings are something that our well-wishers are astonishing. Yes, and updating the park is also surprising? Russia must be reckoned with and respected.
  12. PValery53
    PValery53 1 February 2016 06: 16
    +1
    The situation in the world shows that even having "joined in Caudle", a group of leading Western countries understood: its unquestioning dictatorship in the world has come to an end. The continuation of the policy of dictatorship in the world will lead the West to its devastation.
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 1 February 2016 06: 26
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      a group of leading Western countries realized: its unquestioned dictatorship in the world has come to an end

      You don’t have to wait until Russia begins to raise a 5th column on the enemy’s territory, it makes no sense to wait for the end of the Western dictate. Such a gorgeous moment was in Ferguson, tossing firewood and letting niggas and whites wet each other with packs, but couldn’t.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 1 February 2016 06: 32
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      The situation in the world shows that even having "joined in Caudle", a group of leading Western countries understood: its unquestioning dictatorship in the world has come to an end. The continuation of the policy of diktat in the world will lead the West to their devastation.

      The answer is probably not the topic, because of sanctions. The French are already begging Russia to lift the embargo on agricultural products, but they are in no hurry to lift their sanctions.
      http://www.rg.ru/2016/01/31/frantsiya-anons.html Ссылка для недоверчивых
  13. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 1 February 2016 06: 18
    +1
    Another "horror story" for the Western plebs. Give the attendants for cutting)). Yes, Russia is using various types of weapons and ammunition in Syria, so what? Yes, everything is expedient with us now. If the "old" is suitable for certain tasks, why not use it. For the morally obsolete and outdated, "device")) have been developed that allow it to perfectly cope with its tasks. At the same time, complete testing is carried out in a real combat situation. Yes ammunition with "expiring")) in the same place are disposed of on the heads of terrorists. Yes, it's more profitable for us. Yes, there is also something new, it would be strange and stupid if it were not there. About Ukraine, as I understand it, the text meant electronic warfare means. So they are on the territory of Russia. Is it surprising that the Russian borders are provided with everything you need? At this point, smell *** and sleep.
  14. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 1 February 2016 06: 20
    0
    Mattresses, as always, live in their dreams until you get them out of there)))
  15. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 1 February 2016 06: 23
    0
    And one more article by a pro-Western journalist (analyst). Recently, the environment of Western analysts, such reflections are becoming more and more. Of course, they also carry the character of a horror story "The Russian bear is coming !! All to defend the beloved country!", But at the same time, such articles are a tribute to the obvious. Yes, the Russian bear is coming, he woke up. And today, ANY countries and politicians must and will reckon with Russia's interests in the Middle East.
    Praise to our pilots and technicians. I really can’t imagine what kind of load it is - 80-90 sorties per day. The NATO pilots would probably die already from such loads and line up to the base psychologist (by the way, processing also tumbled down laughing ), and ours not only fly, they also fly successfully.
  16. Stinger
    Stinger 1 February 2016 06: 23
    +2
    The West is always shocked when reality differs from their perception of it. This is the property of arrogance and snobbery. How the king lamented there in Cinderella: "Why wasn’t they told me that my son had grown up and wanted to marry?"
  17. demo
    demo 1 February 2016 06: 25
    +1
    But Russia has never promised that it will attack only ISIS. Moreover, she said she would fight "all terrorists." And the list of "terrorists" - which is very convenient for Mr. Putin and President Bashar al-Assad - included rebel groups of a more moderate sense. The experience of the Chechen wars shows that the Kremlin is much more willing to dismiss "collateral damage" than the West. It is worth noting that at the initial stage of the Syrian mission of Moscow, the Russian military used an insufficient number of guided bombs and missiles: Moscow’s statements that it used high-precision weapons do not stand up to scrutiny.

    When crowds of cockroaches crawl on your floor at home, no one will understand - it's stray or constantly living - they crush everyone in a row. And while not using a point impact, but the most massive, and, therefore, effective.
  18. sam19730
    sam19730 1 February 2016 06: 26
    +2
    All the same, they are two-faced, they are separatists in the Donbas and the opposition in Syria. What does it mean !?!?!?
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 1 February 2016 06: 32
      0
      Quote: sam19730
      What does it mean !?!?!?

      Everything is in order. Who keeps the world by the eggs is right. It’s not worth raising naive questions.
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 04
      0
      All those with weapons in their hands, illegal armed groups, are subject to destruction. Moderates go to demonstrations with flags. This is the United States replacing concepts in order to mask its aggression and desire to overthrow the legitimate authority and put its puppets. In Ukraine, borea of ​​20 years was preparing a coup, they were yelling to Yanukovych as children.
  19. demo
    demo 1 February 2016 06: 28
    +1
    The deployment in Russia and Syria of Ukraine of electronic warfare, such as Krasukha-4, which can interfere with interfering radiation on Avaks and satellite radars, was another sobering discovery for NATO. Deputy Chief of the US Army Cyber ​​Command Ronald Pontius (Ronald Pontius) said: "We can not come to the conclusion that the speed of our progress is inferior to the growth rate of the threat."

    Translated into Russian as follows:
    "The amount of toilet paper doesn't meet our needs."
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 08: 00
      0
      Not in Ukraine, but in the Russian Crimea.
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      2. Disant
        Disant 1 February 2016 17: 14
        0
        what are you doing - Russian Crimea Russian Crimea.
        as if there is another ...
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 February 2016 06: 33
    +2
    their air force is "more dumb than smart", and their Russian fleet "more rusty than combat-ready."

    At first they thought so, then they wanted it to be so. When they completely lost their sense of proportion, they suddenly realized that Russia was not only not bent, but once again began to show itself. And they (the West) are shocked not only by the capabilities of our military equipment, but also by how quickly and covertly from their intelligence Russia was able to relocate certain forces to Syria and organize their excellent work.
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 07: 59
      +1
      And not only to Syria, but also to Crimea.
  21. Yak28
    Yak28 1 February 2016 06: 43
    0
    And what shocked the Amers is incomprehensible, they did not know that we had cruise missiles or maybe they were surprised by old planes that were developed back in the USSR. Yes, and we always had EW tools. The only thing that could really surprise was a large number of sorties per day a limited number of aircraft, therefore, equipment and people worked for wear and tear. Plus, given that the bandits in Syria do not have air defense, aviation, then in such conditions any military aircraft will show its best side. The only thing that surprised me in a positive way is how Russia is waging an information war in the best traditions of our sworn American friends, in Chechnya, Georgia, the information war was illiterate, or is it in Syria
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 07: 58
      0
      They all knew, watching parades.
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2016 06: 49
    +3
    American generals bought the assurances of our liberals that
    that we don’t have a nifig of new, everything is old-rusty and is constantly stolen.
    Well, plus the fact that we did not particularly shine and did not boast about the pace of rearmament.
    It seemed that all the new items in our single copy,
    which we carry around the exhibitions. Well, plus used to the idea that
    that they have already defeated us and conquered us in the Cold War.
    Yes, to be honest, and I had such a feeling, before registering for VO ...
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 07: 57
      0
      They did not buy, they spy and watch parades, therefore they are aware, but they cannot resist. Their brains are not enough, they did not have time to steal. They can only increase their debt.
  23. V.ic
    V.ic 1 February 2016 06: 52
    +1
    F.I. Tyutchev, as specifically for such scribblers, rhyme:
    “You can't understand Russia with your mind, you can't measure it with a common yardstick.
    She has a special become, you can only believe in Russia. "
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 1 February 2016 07: 54
      -1
      Russia must not be trusted, but it must be respected (feared), and rightly so.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 1 February 2016 13: 54
        0
        Quote: cergey51046
        You must not believe in Russia

        Sorry, I believe in Russia, but I believe in God.
  24. 1536
    1536 1 February 2016 07: 04
    +2
    "The West now needs to decide whether to respond to this by initiating a new head of confrontation with Moscow, or to continue to adjust to its growing ambitions."

    Yes, what are your ambitions? Take yours!
    The "work" of Western figures of the Biden type has shown that they are only capable of destroying and destroying people. To reach for a coveted bowl of nutritious soup, Biden, for example, can detonate an atomic bomb and kill millions of lives. The Americans have already demonstrated this in Syria, where one and a half million people have died since 2011 - the time the US government organized a terrorist attack on this country!
    And I don’t remember from history that Russia destroyed or destroyed something, ruined someone or drove it into a reservation. It was destroyed, yes, but then we recovered and helped others recover.
  25. Dmitry Volodin
    Dmitry Volodin 1 February 2016 07: 13
    0
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    in Syria and Ukraine, came as a shock to them.
    And what did they see this in Ukraine? repeat

    By ukraine they mean Crimea!
  26. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 February 2016 07: 21
    0
    it is precisely with such articles that they knock out money for armaments from NATO and the USA.
  27. Neophyte
    Neophyte 1 February 2016 07: 51
    0
    Stop crying and tearing hair at the fifth point! But you have an invincible Ukrpolbalt
    brigade?
  28. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 1 February 2016 07: 51
    +1
    Western liberoid media tend to rush to extremes; from one to another.

    They laughed for a long time at rusty airplanes, drunken ensigns and dystrophic conscripts. They didn’t want to see anything else.
    Now, like, they are terrified - just about Russia will capture everyone. Whereas in reality nothing supernatural happens. The military-industrial complex of Russia is returning to normal - after the artificial Yeltsin coma. Soviet weapons are being modernized - why not, if there were good samples. New ones are being created - that's right, you need to go forward. Everything is completely legal, there is nothing aggressive. "Produce"bombs to be disposed of and testing new types of weapons on terrorists is a completely kosher affair.

    There can be several true goals:
    1. Financial - increase the military budget.
    2. Electoral - to scare voters in order to increase the rating of hawks.
    3. Media - "Fasten"a society motivated by Russophobia and divert attention from real problems.
  29. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 February 2016 07: 54
    +1
    The West has become so morose that you read their "brilliant" discoveries about us and wonder where such self-confidence comes from. And Russia apparently shouldn't talk about anything or do nothing in world politics. Sobering must be constantly. After all, as you know, every fool is born minute.
  30. ochakow703
    ochakow703 1 February 2016 07: 55
    +1
    Ronald Pontius, Deputy Chief of Cyber ​​Command, US Army, said: “One cannot help but conclude that the speed of our progress is inferior to the speed of threat growth".
    And to whom are we threatening, with the exception of the IS bandits? Have we deployed our forces in close proximity to the borders of the us? All that we supply to the Army and the Navy is located in sovereign territory or in neutral spaces, or by good agreement (invitation) of the legitimate government of the sovereign country of Syria. This is a big question - who creates a threat and tension in the world. Rather than a question, but a statement of fact.
  31. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 1 February 2016 08: 11
    0
    Yankees, adapt before it's too late !!!
  32. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 1 February 2016 08: 55
    0
    It's nice to read such articles, of course. But how sincere it is, or is it just a means in the fight for budget money. In any case, we must continue to move towards further strengthening our power, to the "joy" of the West. Gradually, but steadily.
  33. Belimbai
    Belimbai 1 February 2016 08: 57
    0
    I want to complain about plagiarism .... I wrote on October 8, 2015 on "echo":

    October 08, 2015 | 06:44 (in comments to: [Blog] day_video 07.10.2015/16/57 XNUMX:XNUMX)
    Liberals and Svidomo patriots gathered in a circle, and are engaged in self-satisfaction .... yes, they did not take off .... and did not reach the shore .... and generally did not reach anywhere ..... etc. etc ..... and they flew in and where they got ... Russia has such a weapon, and it knows how to use it, and is ready to use it.

    And not a year has passed and already stolen ...)))))).
  34. Mestny
    Mestny 1 February 2016 09: 05
    -1
    Quote: andre
    And the article is just another nonsense - it feels like only Russia is modernizing and using the technology of the 70-80s, and NATO flies on "carpets of the planes of the future"

    Not only this.
    As usual, it seems that all these high-tech weapons fell into the hands of the Russians by accident, and that's why they became so aggressive. And it is about to fall into the wrong hands.
    That is, according to Western opinion, it is already "in the wrong hands", that is, ours (where did they get it from? Probably stole from anyone as usual). And now Russia (aggressive of course, but of course) with this weapon is shaking before the civilized world. And he, this world, all such a civilized and fluffy one, froze in thought with a grimace of contempt for the barbarians - whether to take it all away from the unwashed, or something else to come up with. It would be better, of course, to destroy, and then all civilized people will heal well.
  35. Leprekon
    Leprekon 1 February 2016 09: 35
    0
    According to Western military officials, Russians also strike other rebel groups under the pretext of attacks against ISIS, and they are less picky about their targets, because they pay much less attention to evidence of civilian deaths, as well as due to the lack of precision weapons.
    Well, with the death of peaceful bearded men, nothing happened, but then, they contradict themselves
    The West finally realized that the weapon, "the first one, really is ... and it’s really high quality. The third is that there are people well trained, trained, who can apply it systematically. And the fourth - Russia has the will to apply it, if this is in line with the national interests of the state and the Russian people. ”


    In an interview with The Independent, one of the leading analysts of the Israeli military intelligence said last week: "Anyone who wants to do something in this region should turn to Moscow."
    The correct definition has come!
  36. Senior manager
    Senior manager 1 February 2016 09: 45
    0
    The rules are somehow forgotten very quickly - if the Noglo Saxons praise us, then we need to look around (say a fearful statement, consider it a compliment). But URA must be left to President Poproshenko. Something like this.
  37. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 1 February 2016 09: 49
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    % Why Crimea 7 if they captured the whole of Ukraine?

    Abaldet, "great know-it-all" and not in the know, omission, not good, you need to educate yourself better, my friend belay lol
  38. Earnest
    Earnest 1 February 2016 10: 42
    0
    Quote: atalef
    % Why Crimea 7 if they captured the whole of Ukraine?

    And they deployed a lot of bases there, or at least forces and means? Ruined, destroyed, stopped in development - yes, the minimum program to maintain the focus of tension has been completed, but the maximum program has broken off.
  39. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 1 February 2016 12: 27
    0
    we still have all the men MILITARY! and served urgent and well served!
  40. bikeev1234
    bikeev1234 1 February 2016 13: 30
    0
    Whoever comes into us with a sword will perish by the sword. On this stood and is the Russian land! This phrase is based on the well-known gospel expression: “Those who take the sword will perish with the sword.” Or in full: "Then Jesus tells him: return your sword to its place, for all who take the sword will perish with the sword." Evidence of this does not need to touch the Russian world.
  41. kos2910
    kos2910 1 February 2016 16: 57
    0
    How is it that they are insulted that we can use old Soviet-made bombs with precision precision munitions, but thousands of times cheaper. Why didn’t they go along the path with an optoelectronic system for aiming an airplane and not a supply battle. Well, throwing a bomb at $ 100000 on a tachanka is an achievement :)