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Media: powerful and expensive British destroyers constantly break down

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The destroyers of the British Navy, the cost of each of which is in the order of £ 1 billion, constantly encounter electrical breakdowns, reports RIA News post bbc.




According to the TV and Radio Company, the ships "are constantly failing electrical equipment due to malfunctions of the built-in electric motor."

“If after the launch of the first destroyer into the water, the Ministry of Defense called these problems" difficulties of the initial period ", now we have to admit that a big problem does exist. And it may entail even more trouble for the ship and its crew during the fighting, ”the author of the publication believes.

Due to a similar problem, the destroyer Fearless in 2014 r had to leave the naval teaching ahead of schedule.

In order not to be left without destroyers at all, the command decided to send the ships for repair one by one.

“From 2019, these ships are planned to be sent for modernization, which includes the replacement of at least one engine. To do this, a huge hole will be cut through the hull of the ship, ”the correspondent writes.

The Royal Navy "does not specify the cost of the work, however, according to one of the officials of the Navy, such repairs will cost tens of millions of pounds," the newspaper notes.

Help agency: "The first type 45 destroyer was transferred the fleet in 2009. Due to the need to troubleshoot, construction costs increased dramatically, and London was forced to purchase only 6 of the 12 planned ships. The manufacturing company BAE Systems calls the destroyers one of the most powerful in the world. ”
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  1. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 31 January 2016 10: 11
    41
    "From 2019, these ships are planned to be sent for modernization, which includes the replacement of at least one engine. For this, a huge hole will be cut in the ship's skin."

    What do you want? For someone to profit from government orders, something must break all the time. For example, expensive destroyers. And about a huge hole in the ship’s skin - I’d read and read directly, just honey at heart! :)

    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2016 10: 16
      +2
      Russian electronic warfare ..? Coincidence ... I do not think so! bully
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 31 January 2016 10: 27
        39
        destroyer Undaunted
        Ha Ha Ha!
        Bl.in, they also assign names in the Russian manner or what ?! laughing
        Like ours "Invincible", "Indisputable", "Invincible", ...
        Oh, yes - Tug "Agile" (Hero of D. Nagiev - Sailor from "Caution, modern", series "Bathhouse attendant Chistomyrdin" or "In the Bath")
        So they are missing:
        Aircraft carrier "Tolerant"
        Destroyer "Democratic"
        Corvette "Loving Yourself"
        Nuclear submarine "Lesbian" and Nuclear missile carrier "Indefatigable Transgender"
        laughing
        A joke of course, morning, to raise the mood of Sunday! soldier
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 31 January 2016 10: 55
          +4
          No, this is hereditary.
          And yes, the parallel with the naming of destroyers in the USSR Navy is correctly noticed.
        2. michell
          michell 31 January 2016 10: 58
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          A joke of course, morning, to raise the mood of Sunday!


          There is a joke in every joke wink
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 31 January 2016 12: 21
            +5
            a huge hole will be cut in the ship's skin

            "Hole", bl! The hole would be after the RCC laughing
            1. hartlend
              hartlend 31 January 2016 13: 50
              +2
              Such a hole is hardly a hole.
        3. just exp
          just exp 31 January 2016 11: 37
          25
          I would build myself an aircraft carrier "Non-Steering"
          there’s such a tugboat (I can’t find the picture, I have a couple of thousand, you won’t see everything),
          1. Agent_017
            Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 33
            +3
            This is a cool name, I fell out of my chair while neighing ...
        4. vinc
          vinc 31 January 2016 12: 09
          +7
          The Kokam movie had "Omnipresent" fellow
        5. hartlend
          hartlend 31 January 2016 13: 46
          +5
          Undaunted is a dreadnought, apparently the article was translated by an electronic translator.
          1. opus
            opus 31 January 2016 14: 28
            +3
            Quote: hartlend
            Undaunted is a dreadnought

            dreadnought “dreadnought” is "fearless"further from dread "fear; to be afraid ”+ nought“ nothing ”.

            dauntless-intrepidfearless, fearless
            no error

            1. hartlend
              hartlend 31 January 2016 17: 42
              +2
              Perhaps here I am wrong and you have a better command of the issue. I know that the British created a ship, which by its name gave rise to a whole class of ships - the dreadnought. As a comment, I wanted to say that the names of the ships do not need to be translated into Russian, apparently automatically translated.
        6. opus
          opus 31 January 2016 14: 22
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          Bl.in, they also assign names in the Russian manner or what ?!


          fool

          HMS Dauntless (D33) - "Undaunted"

          HMS Undaunted (1804) An 18-gun sloop was launched in November 1804 in Hull, England. In 1807, he ran aground during a battle in the Vistula River and was forced to surrender to the French.

          HMS Undaunted (1808) The 26-gun sloop was launched in 1808 and withdrawn from the RN in 1825.
          HMS Undaunted (1847) The 24-gun (from 1854, 33-gun) frigate was launched in 1847 and withdrawn from the RN in 1885.
          HMS Undaunted (D45) Danae class - a light cruiser launched in 1918, was used as a training vessel since 1943 before being sent for re-melting in 1946.
          HMS Intrepid trained ladies sailors RN (WRNS) -Women's Royal Naval Service (WRNS; popularly and officially known as the Wrens) = educational institution in Bergfield, near Berkshire, from 1947 to 1981.
          1. Agent_017
            Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 35
            0
            Clearly, the traditions continue ..)))
        7. cap
          cap 31 January 2016 15: 43
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          Nuclear submarine "Lesbian" and Nuclear missile carrier "Indefatigable Transgender"
          laughing
          A joke of course, morning, to raise the mood of Sunday! soldier


          God where we live! Someone morning, and I go to bed laughing
          A good joke and a good dream.
          Maybe tomorrow they will delight in the news about the contingency hole in the submarine, with the aforementioned name.
    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 31 January 2016 10: 18
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      And how do you want?
      - Based on the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were and are our potential opponents, I really like this article and I advise them to continue in the same spirit.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 1 February 2016 03: 49
        +1
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Based on the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were and are our potential opponents, I really like this article and I advise them to continue in the same vein.

        But I do not like this article! New ships always commit all sorts of imperfections. Is always!!! And this is happening not only in the UK. You can also recall how our corvette burned at the same exhibition. You can recall the death of the submariners on the new submarine, and you can also recall the deficiencies of the submarines Lada. Little what?
        Therefore, of course, you can mock the British, if you don’t look at yourself. I’m not minus an article, but the forum is filled with cheers-patriotism. This is bad.
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 31 January 2016 10: 19
      +4
      Yeah, then it will look like a brewed colander!
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. Finches
      Finches 31 January 2016 10: 21
      +9
      I drank the budget in English - The release of an expensive wunderwaffle with deliberate defects in it!

      Or maybe everything is simpler - an overabundance of "highly educated" willow drovers ..., Arab guest workers on the stocks! laughing
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 31 January 2016 10: 26
        +5
        To do this, a huge hole will be cut in the ship’s skin ”

        It would be better if this huge hole appeared in Britain’s military budget.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 31 January 2016 12: 46
          +2
          It does not interfere.
        2. Agent_017
          Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 37
          0
          It’s too early, they robbed the whole world ... Loot until it ended ...
      2. opus
        opus 31 January 2016 15: 32
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        I drank the budget in English - The release of an expensive wunderwaffle with deliberate defects in it!

        Why are you so worried about the English budget?
        Are you a subject of the crown?
        No, YOU SHOULD BE JOY, and takes care of the "drink" of his (Russian?)
        About "wunderwafli" - a political show of stupid people.
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2016 10: 22
      21
      The destroyer "Dauntless" - that's how they would write, otherwise: "undaunted" ... "Undaunted", this is ours!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 31 January 2016 10: 28
        10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        The destroyer "Dauntless" - that's how they would write, otherwise: "undaunted" ... "Undaunted", this is ours!

        I agree. The name of the ship is a common noun and is not translated into other languages, but is written according to the transcription with the letters of the language you want to translate ... Or in hieroglyphs ... And then you sit and rack your brains - like names like 45 start with "D", and then some kind of "Fearless" ...
        1. opus
          opus 31 January 2016 14: 38
          +3
          Quote: Rurikovich
          The name of the ship is a common noun and cannot be translated into other languages,

          translated

          “Falcon in the Fetterllock” - which in Russian means “Falcon in a harness”
          “Three Ostrich Feathers” - Ostrich Feathers
          “Bull, Bear, and Horse” - “Bull, Bear and Horse”
          “Mousenest” - “Mouse Nest”
          “Blade of Wheat” - “Wheat Stalk”
          “Who's Afraid” - “Who's scared?”
          “Sturdy Beggar” - The Beggar
          “Mouse of the Mountain” - “Mountain Mouse”
          “Free Love” - “Free Love”
          “Catch me who can” - “Catch Who Can”
          “The Twenty-Sixth Day of October” - “October XNUMXth”
          “Go-Ask-Her” - “Ask Her”
          “Essence of Peppermint” - “Peppermint Essence”
          “Big Foot Wallece” - Wallace-Big Foot
          “Johny Appleseed” - Johnny-Apple Grain
          “Stage door canteen” - service entrance to the buffet.
          Unusual names of clippers of the 19th century
          “Game-cock”, which is translated into Russian as “Fighting cock”.
          “Stag-Hound” - “Deer Hunter”
          “Westward Ho!” - "Heading west!"
          “Romance of the Seas” - “Romance of the Seas”
          “Witch of the Wave” - “Enchanting Waves”
          “Chariot of Fame” - “Chariot of Glory”
          “Red Jacket” - “Red Tunic”
          “Witchcraft” - “Magic”
          “Belle of the West” - “Beauty of the East”
          “Champion of the Seas” - “Champion of the Seas”
          “Herald of the Morning” - “Morning Herald”


          Or ours:
          Russian destroyer Smetlivy

          Smetlivy (Russian: Savvy, (translate: 'resourceful') is a Kashin-class guided missile destroyer of the Russian Navy.




          The Steregushchy class (Russian: guardian - "vigilant") is the newest class of corvette in the Russian Navy.


          we just have a lot of type Velikiy Ustyug, Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov (Russian: Admiral Flota of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov ")
          it makes no sense to translate..and then "translate"
      2. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 31 January 2016 10: 29
        +3
        Due to a similar problem, the destroyer Fearless in 2014 r had to leave the naval teaching ahead of schedule.

        Probably I'll tell you garbage, but for some reason I immediately remembered the British "Undaunted" from the Pirates of the Caribbean. winked
        1. opus
          opus 31 January 2016 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: Misha Honest
          British "Undaunted" from Pirates of the Caribbean

          and was


          HMS Dauntless vs HMS Interceptor
    7. novobranets
      novobranets 31 January 2016 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      And about a huge hole in the ship’s skin - I’d read and read directly, just honey at heart! :)

      Let them turn to our sailors, they are happy to dig a hole in them with a torpedo or rocket. And it will be cheaper, you only need to pay the cost of the spent ammunition, and even with a discount on moral satisfaction.
      1. jjj
        jjj 31 January 2016 10: 50
        +1
        In their old days with steamboats it was not always good. Sometimes the crew on the boat could not scrape together. People refused to go to sea, thought it was dangerous
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 31 January 2016 13: 43
        +9
        Quote: novobranets
        Let them turn to our sailors, they are happy to dig a hole in them with a torpedo or rocket.

        Problem, however!
        We do not do well with "holes" ... We have more and more, as in the photo, it comes out!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2016 13: 57
          +3
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: novobranets
          Let them turn to our sailors, they are happy to dig a hole in them with a torpedo or rocket.

          Problem, however!
          We do not do well with "holes" ... We have more and more, as in the photo, it comes out!

          bully, Kapraz! lol Hi Sanya! hi
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 31 January 2016 19: 42
            +2
            Hi Yurich! Now the main thing is not to get sick! and take care of yourself for battle! drinks Yeah ...
            For some reason, I suddenly remembered: "Polar Dawns", went with his wife to have a snack.
            And by chance I became an involuntary witness of such a conversation ... between two "tired" visitors:
            - Here before this was not ... There were strong people!
            - And my neighbor caught a bird disease ...
            - Is it possible "bird flu" !?
            - Worse: TRIPPER!
            - Yes, this is nonsense! Your hussar's runny nose will pass and you will not have time to sneeze. And after a moment of silence, the gray-haired continued the interrupted thought:
            - But before, as it happened. Nuuu, drank a liter - and stop, that's enough, it means .. And now the people do not know the measure ...
            Now the people are up to a screeching screech, it means ... Woot ...
            Looks like this is why "swine flu" is wandering around the planet!
            A lot of pigs got divorced ... Here, take, for example, our starpom ...
            Then the "young man" saw that I was listening to their conversation, improved the sharpness, and in a cock's voice: "Do you need X here?" - and made an attempt to get up from the chair ... Petrovich slowly turned his gray head in the direction indignant glance "tilinant", recognizing me, nodded, then besieged the drinking companion.
            - You ... have a snack! This is our San-Sanych! From the next building ... or did you not recognize it "by civilian life"?
            Then my wife was already dragging me by the sleeve to the exit ... She understood that if you clashed with Petrovich (nickname ROCK!), Then "the wreckage of the shipwreck" might hit the door of the apartment by a random taxi in the morning. But this is still not a fact ... There were cases when colleagues disappeared for a couple of days. On the third, they were caught "lying down" by a sonder-team sent in search by the commander, and as a prize brought them to their native land for repair and restoration of combat effectiveness.
            But this was only after returning "from around the corner" ... in the first three days. laughing
            (From Unpublished)
      3. Agent_017
        Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 44
        0
        Yes, even if they turn to our bodybuilders, they will make him a hole for free, hsh hosh ...)))
    8. Pig
      Pig 31 January 2016 10: 57
      +4
      "" For someone to profit from government orders, something must break down all the time ""
      I remembered the ancient times: the late 80s-early 90s, the maintenance of household appliances did not exist then in nature and the repair of household appliances was carried out by semi-handicraft, semi-legal "workshops" ... and so there the craftsmen put a "goat" during the repair - a defective part that in a month- the other was out of order
      people brought a video clip for repairs - they put a "goat" for him, a month later "k.o.z.el butts" and loh. again carries the video to the "master" ...
      and here too;)
    9. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 31 January 2016 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      And about a huge hole in the ship’s skin - I’d read and read directly, just honey at heart! :)

      This is the name of the "technological hole" for the aggregate replacement of mechanisms.
      And the "Big Hole" is at Sheffield, after being hit by Exocet, by the way unexploded.
    10. Altona
      Altona 31 January 2016 15: 41
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      . And about a huge hole in the ship’s skin - I’d read and read directly, just honey at heart! :)

      ---------------------------
      I’m constantly sawing metal filings in the crankcase of their engines ... Just like granulated sugar in my cup of tea ...)))
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 10: 11
    +6
    Maybe that's why they break, because they are powerful? So powerful that they break themselves bully
    1. Agent_017
      Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 47
      -1
      This is definitely noticed! They are so powerful that at the start, they themselves first turn over three times, and only then go on planing ...
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 January 2016 10: 13
    +5
    Physics and mathematics must be taught, suckers, and not show off to the whole world! laughing
    1. bocsman
      bocsman 31 January 2016 10: 51
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Physics and mathematics must be taught, suckers, and not show off to the whole world! laughing

      I add, what is happening only confirms the degeneration of the British. It is a pity that the article does not indicate what equipment is out of order.
      1. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 31 January 2016 11: 03
        0
        Chinese components.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 31 January 2016 12: 11
          +1
          Chinese components ................................................ ...................
          ................... Why did you offend Chinese consumer goods? Yes, no, now the main supplier of components in the British Navy is Honduras!
      2. Agent_017
        Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 49
        -1
        Well, in general, out of equipment, the latrine is the first to fail .. They are in priests through the handrails to cross the liver overboard ...
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 January 2016 10: 13
    +4
    True course go comrades! Oh, to reach the dock.
  5. bronik
    bronik 31 January 2016 10: 17
    +6
    a huge hole will be cut in the ship's skin

    Below the waterline?
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 31 January 2016 10: 18
    +2
    Hackwork - she is in England hackwork!
    1. opus
      opus 31 January 2016 15: 36
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Hackwork - she is in England hackwork!

      of course "hack", like the whole RN


      Of the top 10 in the world, TYPE 45 DESTROYER at No. 2 is coming (which is debatable, I would give it No. 1)

      We would have at least 30 such "hack" pieces



  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 January 2016 10: 18
    +6
    about £ 1 billion

    In England, the concept of "storming" is obviously also known to local capitalists. I think that troubles in the Navy for a potential adversary and extra financial costs can only please.
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 January 2016 10: 27
    +2
    "Trash - it is trash in England!"

    What is so then. "The error came out, we went too far." We did the best in the world, but it turned out as always.
  9. Michael67
    Michael67 31 January 2016 10: 32
    +2
    Spell the title correctly: "Daun tless"Well done Anglicos! Keep it up!" Excellent "technique.
  10. Foxbed
    Foxbed 31 January 2016 10: 33
    +1
    wink It seems to me, the fault of everything ... domestic know-how-rat saboteurs ....
  11. Averias
    Averias 31 January 2016 10: 35
    +6
    This is not surprising, there are historical examples of this. For example, this one: "HMS Captain - battleship of the British fleet (1870). Serious theoretical errors and design mistakes made in the project led to a very significant overload of the ship and, as a result, poor stability. Due to overload, the battleship, having been in I have been building for a little more than 4 months, capsized and sank in the Bay of Biscay on the night of September 6-7, 1870 with almost all the crew, which was one of the largest disasters in the Royal Navy in peacetime.
    And the film "80 Days Around the World" (the US version, where Jackie Chan was filmed) comes to mind, where the tyranny and snobbery of the English "scientific" elite (Royal Academy) is very colorfully shown.
  12. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 31 January 2016 10: 37
    +7
    "Rule Britain over the seas!" This is already history, in the past. And today, weld holes in the destroyers.
    1. ganesh
      ganesh 31 January 2016 10: 55
      +3
      I agree, the times have passed when Britain was the mistress of all the seas and oceans. The British are now trying to dominate both the Banking and the Exchange sectors. So it is not surprising that their destroyers are fake ..
  13. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 31 January 2016 10: 38
    +3
    hm ... American "Freedom" have a defect in the power plant, now British destroyers ... And they are also designing a conceptual "Dreadnought" with a bunch of bells and whistles what All the simplest is the most reliable. winked Of course, it’s not shameful to have the most, most economical and powerful power plants capable of delivering a ton of energy to the mountain for ship systems, but it’s like a double-edged wand ... request It seems that either the problem in the manufacture of units, or maybe they were wrong with the calculations, it happens that something on paper is fundamentally different from that in metal (or plastic) .. what
  14. shelva
    shelva 31 January 2016 10: 39
    +2
    They still believe that Britain is the mistress of the seas, scream.
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 31 January 2016 10: 39
    +2
    Russian electronic warfare is the answer to everything! good
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 31 January 2016 10: 47
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russian electronic warfare is the answer to everything!

      And how does electronic warfare affect the operation of diesel generators? Does sand add oil?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 31 January 2016 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: Mera Joota
        And how does electronic warfare affect the operation of diesel generators? Does sand add oil?

        Or maybe so too ... hi
        1. Agent_017
          Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 57
          +1
          ))) Well, this is probably a new nano-technology from Stolkovo .. When sand particles are smaller than oil molecules .. Nobody will notice how they dissolve with piston oil ..))) The main thing is to establish oil supplies ...
  16. BOB044
    BOB044 31 January 2016 10: 42
    +1
    The times of a great naval power for Great Britain ended forever. As soon as the Russian fleet appeared.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 January 2016 11: 18
      +6
      The British in the oceans were replaced by the Americans somewhere in the 40-50s.
      Since these years (and still) the US Navy is larger than all the others combined.
      This formula will soon be removed by the Chinese fleet. USSR fleet peaks in the 80s
      years, then sharply decreased, now it reaches about 40% of this
      peak.
      1. Agent_017
        Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 58
        0
        And England and America, this is one gang ...
    2. Agent_017
      Agent_017 31 January 2016 20: 57
      0
      This is what infuriates them ...
  17. taseka
    taseka 31 January 2016 10: 44
    +4
    It’s always pleasant to giggle over a potential adversary, but here you understand that we also have enough mess, either we didn’t screw a screw on the plane, then racquets from a submarine do not always fly where needed - but it warms our souls that they have the same burning !!!
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 31 January 2016 11: 15
      +6
      Quote: taseka
      but warms the soul, that they have the same burning !!!

      "It's not the trouble that the pig is dead, it's the trouble that it is alive with a neighbor."
    2. VP
      VP 31 January 2016 12: 05
      0
      Where did you screw the screw down and what adopted rocket (and not the test) missed the wrong place?
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 January 2016 13: 35
        +1
        for some reason, the satellites didn’t fly into orbit for some reason ....
        1. VP
          VP 31 January 2016 13: 37
          0
          Is this a defect of the whole type or a problem of a particular copy?
          1. your1970
            your1970 31 January 2016 15: 53
            +2
            this is "Where the screw was not twisted" ..
            Or rather, I don’t know ....
            - there may be everything, or maybe an isolated case
          2. Agent_017
            Agent_017 31 January 2016 21: 00
            0
            This is all type .. Like a braccous, they had a lot of fun ...))))
  18. Magic archer
    Magic archer 31 January 2016 10: 53
    12
    People, these are all growing pains, sooner or later the British will defeat it. And 45s are very strong ships. They are one of the most advanced ships in the world. We wouldn’t have such destroyers either. But our Leader is still on paper, and English ships are already in the sea. I understand that I grab the minuses, but the patriotic cries on the site are already enraging. We will become similar to the Ukrainians who have lost everything and only rejoice at the failures of others, because there are no more reasons for joy
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 31 January 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      The people, these are all growing pains, sooner or later the British will defeat her. And the 45s are very strong ships.

      Well, then if there is a problem with the propeller motors, then this is very bad. And if the question is about a complete replacement, then this is generally complete Ales, as they said in one of our films:
      1. opus
        opus 31 January 2016 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        then this is generally complete ales how

        this is bullshit







        OJSC Primorsky Plant. Screw-steering complex of the vessel after repair (in the floating dock)
    2. Manul
      Manul 31 January 2016 12: 34
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      but cheers patriotic screams on the site are already enraging.

      "Hooray-patriotic", in theory, those. that express joy for our success. And when the persecution and mockery of the problems of other people's military-industrial complex begins, then the site becomes ashamed and uncomfortable in front of adequate people. Thanks to those who are not afraid to be a black sheep, and tries to enlighten everyone from the rabid pouring mud. Thanks to those who, no matter what, are trying to figure it out, and help others figure it out, in the technical and other relevant aspects of the publications in question. hi
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2016 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      We become like Ukrainians,

      on the site, especially, some "peremogi" on my mind ... just a word against say, in the minus "uryakalki" will be driven! wassat
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 31 January 2016 14: 05
      +5
      Volodya, hello! A few words about:
      Quote: Magic Archer
      And the 45th is very strong ships. It is one of the most advanced in the world.
      The air defense is strong, but there is also Orly Burke ... with the Aegis and SM-3. Therefore, we focus on am.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      We wouldn’t be hindered by such destroyers, but our Leader ...
      The era of highly specialized frigates / destroyers-air defenses irretrievably passed. Why are Britons fixated on this? Without a strike weapon, an ocean zone ship is nonsense! yes
      Therefore, on the Leader there should be a missile defense / air defense with the form of a soaked S-400/500. And of course, RCC. I think a modular scheme will allow this to be done. The Britons will also return to her - the Russian fleet will force them to do this, because the Americans will leave in the Asia-Pacific region to compete with the hunfus, and Albion will be transferred to the zone of responsibility in the Atlantic ... And then what will you stop these Russians from?
      But this is my view of the problem. hi
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 31 January 2016 14: 26
        +2
        Hi Sasha hi
        The thing is that the British ships, in which case they will cover the American squadrons in the Atlantic, and this, you know, requires a powerful anti-aircraft defense. As for Burkov, I can only say that these are excellent ships, and I will not say anything about the number of ships built. Leader. Well, there are so far only puzzles. Until now, the propulsion system has not been decided, everything is vague about the main caliber. That's where Onyx is the Caliber. I can only say that you are completely right in terms of modularity, this will give the ship versatility.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 31 January 2016 15: 57
          -1
          Quote: Magic Archer
          , about the main caliber, too, everything is vague. That's where Onyx then Calib


          Nothing vague.
          Armament:

          Artillery: 1x1 100 mm AU A-190 Universal, 2x1 14,5 mm machine gun mount, 3x1 7,62 mm machine gun mount.

          Anti-aircraft artillery: 2x6 30 mm ZAK Duet (AK 630-M2).

          Missile weapons: 1x8 Caliber or 1x8 Onyx, 2x4 PU 3M47 "Bending" with SAM "Igla" or "Igla-M".

          June 17, 2013 RTO Grad Sviyazhsk began the transition from the city of Zelenodolsk (Republic of Tatarstan) to the Caspian flotilla. June 24, arrived at the base of the Caspian flotilla - the city of Astrakhan. On July 10, factory ship trials began.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 31 January 2016 18: 42
            +3
            Quote: dvina71
            17 June 2013 year MRC "Grad Sviyazhsk"
            Gene, wake up! Here the adult uncles about the promising destroyer are getting ready, and you are climbing with your RTOs! laughing
          2. Agent_017
            Agent_017 31 January 2016 21: 08
            0
            I am proud that the ship has arrived to us! To us in the Astrakhan province ...
        2. Agent_017
          Agent_017 31 January 2016 21: 05
          0
          And we will have everything, it will be even cooler. We support and help Putin build a strong state ...
    5. Agent_017
      Agent_017 31 January 2016 21: 01
      0
      Well, then we have hope or ...
  19. Lelek
    Lelek 31 January 2016 10: 56
    0
    (Destroyers of the British Navy, the cost of each of which is about £ 1 billion.)

    Good target. bully
  20. tanit
    tanit 31 January 2016 11: 01
    +2
    Quote: ya.mimo.shel
    We become similar to the Ukrainians, who have stolen everything of their own and only rejoice in the failures of others, because there are no more reasons for joy

    We don’t become. Because there are still reasons for joy (with us). And to invent them (occasions) is not necessary. hi
    Of the latter, Proton left, the accelerator worked, the satellite in orbit ... The key word is regular. Yesterday. hi
    1. Manul
      Manul 31 January 2016 13: 13
      0
      Quote: tanit
      Because there are still reasons for joy (with us). And to invent them (occasions) is not necessary.
      of the latter,

      And

      RadioAstron received an image of the core of an active galaxy with a record angular resolution in history (http://vsluh.net/show-5310-radioastron-poluchil-izobrazhenie-yadra-aktivnoy-gal
      aktiki.html)
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 January 2016 11: 11
    +6
    This refers to Daring class destroyers.
    The destroyer is driven by two 27,000 hp electric motors. each.
    The company that produces them GE Power Conversion has supplied them to the French Mistrals
    - so Russia seems to be very lucky.
    It is possible that the British will have to replace ALL engines for all destroyers.
    With a repair price of £ 10 million for each replacement.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 31 January 2016 11: 26
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This refers to Daring class destroyers.
      The destroyer is driven by two 27,000 hp electric motors. each.
      The company that produces them GE Power Conversion has supplied them to the French Mistrals
      - so Russia seems to be very lucky.
      It is possible that the British will have to replace ALL engines for all destroyers.
      With a repair price of £ 10 million for each replacement.

      Would buy American engines with Arly Burkov, they apparently have no problems with reliability.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 31 January 2016 12: 20
        +5
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Would buy American engines with Arly Burkov, they apparently have no problems with reliability.

        The fact is that EM URO of type 45 GEM works according to the Integrated electric propulsion (IEP) system. Two gas turbines and two diesels spin a generator that produces electric power, which is distributed to electric motors, internal ship systems and weapons. On Berks, four turbines operate on two shafts through gearboxes.
        And the problem is not in turbines, but in electric motors.
    2. gray smeet
      gray smeet 31 January 2016 11: 28
      -2
      Well, they will change the engines (that England doesn't have £ 10 million for a combat unit?) And there will be an excellent ship. Note that the cost of the ship is about £ 1 billion and spending another 10 million is mere "kopecks".
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 31 January 2016 11: 41
        +1
        Quote: gray smeet
        Well change dvigly

        Oh, how simple it is ... Imagine what it means to cut a piece of the hull together with the ship's set, and then insert the piece so as to preserve all the seats in the same place without allowing the shafts to die?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 31 January 2016 14: 25
          +3
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Imagine what it means to cut a piece of the hull along with a ship kit,

          I imagine. They did, and there were no problems. The main thing is that the cable routes in this place do not pass.
          Quote: Mera Joota
          to save all seats in the same place without allowing shaft bending?

          In vain you are so. These are short shafts from the GED, and not from the steam-powered fool of the bow of the bow across the entire ship (well, 1 / 2 - for sure!). In Kiev, such a shaft line was already 180m! Feed echelon - 90m.
          And then. Surely there are technological openings above the engine room, involving the dismantling of the deck and the vertical unloading of units.
          I didn’t go to the 45th, but to other English destroyers - it happened. The height of the premises and the absence of any ceiling were amazing: access to pipelines and cable routes, fittings - it is open even in the corridors of pr / l sides.
          I think that the British, taught by the BZZ experience, reserved precisely the "vertical" variant of replacing the main mechanisms. As a last resort - a modular assembly inside the MO.
          yes
    3. Manul
      Manul 31 January 2016 12: 45
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The destroyer is driven by two 27,000 hp electric motors. each.
      The company that produces them GE Power Conversion has supplied them to the French Mistrals
      - so Russia seems to be very lucky.

      But is it really a completely new engine, and before they did not put them anywhere? Confused phrase
      for modernization, which includes the replacement of at least one engine.
      . Why one? Maybe it's not entirely in the engine, but in an unsuccessful layout? Well, I don’t know, in the impossibility of access to the obligatory service of any nodes, or pick-ups, or abnormal vibration?
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 31 January 2016 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The destroyer is driven by two 27,000 hp electric motors. each. The company GE Power Conversion produces them has supplied them for the French Mistrals - so Russia seems to be very lucky.

      Strange, but the economic publication Talouselämä reports that Finnish politicians use Finnish motors and electronics in French Mistral-class landing ships, which Finnish politicians also advocated for stopping shipments to Russia.
      And even wiki
      3 Wärtsilä 16V32 diesel generators (6,2 MW),
      1 Wärtsilä 18V200 diesel generator (3,3 MW),
      2 Alstom Mermaid rotary steering columns (7 MW)
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 January 2016 14: 38
        +1
        Wärtsilä Finns make ship diesel generators, and Converteam do
        (General Electric division) electric motors.
    5. opus
      opus 31 January 2016 21: 52
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The destroyer is driven by two 27,000 hp electric motors. each.
      The company that produces them is GE Power Conversion



      2 × gas turbines Rolls-Royce WR-21+ 2 × Wärtsilä V12 VASA32 diesel generator
      + 2 × electric motor Converteam


      The fact that in 2011 Converteam was bought by the American company General Electric for $ 3.2 Billion and now this is the industrial group Power Conversion does not mean that it is American.


      Converteam former Alstom subsidiary of Alstom Power Conversion
      Quote: voyaka uh
      - so Russia seems to be very lucky.


      in what?

      Mistral 3 Wärtsilä 16V32 diesel generators (6,2 MW),
      1 Wärtsilä Diesel Generator + 2 Alstom Mermaid Rotary Loudspeakers (7 MW)

      Alstom Mermaid (GEC-Alsthom) and Converteam (Alstom affiliate, Alstom Power Conversion) TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
      And movers in Mistral and Type 45 completely different
  22. RUSLAN
    RUSLAN 31 January 2016 11: 23
    0
    Apparently, CHILDREN'S DISEASE THERE WAS NOT CURED, AND IT MADE TO CHRONIC ... HERE AND SURGICAL INTERVENTION IS REQUIRED!
  23. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 31 January 2016 11: 47
    +3
    Looking at Russian warships behind which "tails" of smoke from pipes are drawn, indicating the disgusting state of the engines (incomplete combustion of fuel, oil entering the combustion chamber due to a worn-out CPG, etc.), and even if we recall the very recent towing of our warships in Aden, due to various breakdowns of the undercarriage, I would first of all ask a question, instead of empty bragging: "Is everything on our ships in line with the undercarriage?"
    1. VP
      VP 31 January 2016 12: 08
      +1
      Are you talking about the new Russian ship, as in the case of the English destroyer, or about the long run and old? Or is there no difference?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 31 January 2016 12: 27
        0
        Exactly how about "new". Any "bull" will tell you that the engines on the new Russian ships (not the ones that were supplied by the Fritzes, and which are no longer supplied due to sanctions), which were supplied to us by the Ukrainians ("Zorya" - "Mashproekt") or which are produced in our Kolomna is frank "junk". Oh, yes, there are already rumors that the Chinese have joined in replacing the "sanctioned German" engines on our new corvettes and patrol boats (oh "China"! "Chinese quality" has already set the teeth on edge, but "cheap" and right away), and Ukrainians are trying to replace " Saturn ", who has never designed gas turbine engines for the navy, something tells me that in this case another" epic "awaits us, as with the Bulava.
        1. VP
          VP 31 January 2016 12: 43
          +1
          Those. frantically mastering the production of engines our industry does it at the same level as the English producing their cloud of years?
          So it's just great)
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 31 January 2016 14: 34
          +2
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          another "epic" awaits us, as with "Bulava".

          Well, there seemed to be no foreign components on the Mace! So all the accidents are purely our national merit!
          But here's the bad luck: for Bulava, all this was during the fine-tuning period, i.e. growing pains. And the fact that the BB did not get on the field, so the questions are for the rider, not the horse! bully
      2. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 31 January 2016 12: 33
        0
        Quote: VP
        Are you talking about the new Russian ship, as in the case of the English destroyer, or about the long run and old? Or is there no difference?

        Is there a difference? Are our 956 super reliable?
        Or corvettes 20380? How many times did they break?
        1. VP
          VP 31 January 2016 12: 39
          0
          I have no idea. But you did not write about them? Or went over the arguments after rejection did not work?
  24. VP
    VP 31 January 2016 12: 01
    0
    Of course, I am not aware of the prices of ships ... But it seems to me that a billion euros for the destroyer is too much - much larger and more complex Mistrals were cheaper.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 31 January 2016 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: VP
      billion euros for the destroyer is overkill - the much larger and more complex Mistrals were cheaper.

      Mistral - cans: without weapons and air defense electronics. And the Dragons are stuffed with filling, like fish caviar going to spawn. And the Mistral case is more expensive than the 45. With brains - a problem! And oh, how expensive they are now!
      1. VP
        VP 31 January 2016 15: 16
        0
        So is it an air defense ship or what?
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 January 2016 18: 14
      0
      "But it seems to me that a billion euros for a destroyer" ////

      The destroyers became the basis of the surface fleet, replacing the cruiser.
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  26. Vladycat
    Vladycat 31 January 2016 14: 44
    +2
    My opinion is that, after stuffing military equipment with electronics (which seems to be inspired by the need of our time), it lays an awesome bomb (with the development of electronic warfare). And God forbid that something smells, and our Aurora will be the flagship of the new fleet :)
  27. iouris
    iouris 31 January 2016 14: 54
    0
    Dear author, please give a link to the terminological standard, which defines the terms "breaks" ("breaking") and indicate the corresponding "international" terms, since we are talking about British objects of weapons and military equipment.
  28. KryoWarrior1978
    KryoWarrior1978 31 January 2016 16: 13
    +1
    About the tolerant names of the courts, amused.
    Destroyer "Pussy Riot" The top of "tolerastism" will be. : 0)
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2016 04: 53
    0
    Well, it’s not merged with the shaving engines, so what?
    They will put new ones and will try further.
    They then clearly understand that no one will attack them.
    This is what we need to be constantly ready to repel the blow.
  30. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 1 February 2016 14: 01
    0
    According to the television and radio company, the ships “constantly have electrical equipment out of order due to malfunctions of the built-in electric motor”
    Made in China?