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European Crusaders of Hitler near Leningrad. Part two

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European Crusaders of Hitler near Leningrad. Part two



SS-Freiwilligen Verband Legion "Niederlande"

The Netherlands since the days of the Kaiser Wilhelm has traditionally been to Germany. The Wehrmacht attack in May 1940 caused a state of shock to the majority of the inhabitants of this small coastal country. The national army resisted the entire day 4, then unconditional surrender was signed, the government emigrated to England. In the occupied territory of 18 in May of 1940, the Imperial Commissariat "The Netherlands" was established, headed by one of the prominent figures of the Nazi Party of Artists, Arthur Seiss-Inquart. In the Netherlands, since the 20s, the nationalist parties have traditionally been strong: the National Socialist Movement (Nationaal Socialistische Beweging) and the National Socialist Dutch Workers' Party (Nationaal Socialistische Niederlansche Arbeidesparteij) numbered in excess of one hundred twenty thousand people, and there were over one hundred thousand people. influence within your own country.

Being the German people, the Dutch could serve without any restrictions in the SS forces. 25 May 1940, by the personal order of Adolf Hitler, was formed the SS standard "Westland", in which the Dutch and Flemish volunteers were accepted. After the 11 months of 3, on April 1941, the formation of the Dutch-German regiment Nordwest was announced. The regiment was trained in the outskirts of Hamburg Langehorn, the commander was appointed Standartenführer SS Otto Reich.

Germany’s attack on the USSR received hot approval among the pro-Nazi forces of the Netherlands. In the local press, the slogans of the “Crusade against Communism” and “Joint Protection of Europe against Bolshevism” were strongly promoted. 10 July 1941 The Reich Commissar Zeiss-Inquart appealed to the Dutch people to form a volunteer legion.

With the active support of NSB, led by its leader Anton Mjussert 12 in July 1941, the formation of the Netherlands Volunteer Legion was announced. It was based on former employees of the Nordwest regiment, and members of the assault squads of the Dutch national socialist parties joined the ranks of the volunteers. In many cities recruitment points were opened, to which many volunteers came, including soldiers and officers of the former Dutch army. The desire of the Dutch to fight the "cursed Bolshevik hordes" was so great that by July the 1941 was able to fully equip the 5 battalions. The Germans entrusted the general leadership of the Dutch armed forces to the former Chief of the General Staff of the Netherlands, Lieutenant General Seyffardt (Luitenant Generaal Seyffardt). The fact that such an honored person, who enjoyed great prestige in the country, became the head of this event, greatly eased the call and provided a large influx of volunteers to assembly points.


Fig. General Seiffardt solemnly presents the banner of the SS Legion


General Seiffardt handed the first formed volunteer squad on July 27, 1941 historical the banner of the time of the struggle of Holland for independence under the leadership of the Prince of Orange. The Dutch received the standard field uniform of the SS troops, but they were allowed to wear a special patch in the form of a “Spanish shield” with orange-white-blue stripes, which were the colors of the old Dutch flag. On the collar tabs instead of the traditional SS "lightning", Dutch soldiers wore a "Wolfsangel" - the symbol of NSB.


Fig. Holland farewell to the Dutch volunteers


The recruits began to undergo basic training in Germany, on the outskirts of Hamburg, at the Arus-Nord test site. Initially, it was assumed that a full-blooded brigade staffed exclusively by the Dutch would be formed there, but the leadership of the Waffen SS included a large contingent of officers and noncommissioned officers consisting of imperial Germans into the unit being formed, arguing that the Dutch sergeants and officers do not have combat experience. The arrogant behavior of a number of German commanders, led to friction within the Legion, several people, outraged by their insulting behavior, filed a report on dismissal.

In the autumn of 1941, a fully formed company, consisting entirely of NSB members, arrived from Holland, and by the end of 1941, the legion was a full-blooded regiment consisting of three infantry battalions, a company of heavy weapons and an anti-tank division. The number of personnel reached 2937 people, of which 66 people were officers, 331 non-commissioned officers and 2536 privates. The Legion also included 700 German SS and 26 Flemish volunteers. In the middle of January, 1942 was followed by a redeployment order.

The path of the volunteer legion lay in the Army Group North. By sea, through Danzig, the volunteers were redeployed to Liepaja, and from there they moved by rail to the front, into the German 18 th lane of operation. By the end of January, the Dutch arrived at positions in the Novgorod-Tosno road, where they joined the 20 Infantry Division. The first legion baptism of the legion took 11 on February 1942 of the year near Goose mountain near Volkhov, where the second battalion of the legion took by storm a small fortified Soviet military checkpoint. As a result of the attack, six Russian soldiers were killed, three were captured. As recorded in the battalion’s combat diary, “one prisoner (Jew) was shot while trying to escape,” the fate of the rest of the captured Soviet soldiers is unknown.

In February - March 1942, the legion fought with units of the 2 Shock Army, operating in the area of ​​Meat Bora. As a result of fierce battles, the Dutch lost about a quarter of the personnel killed, wounded and frostbite. The German command diverted the legionaries to the rear, but they did not manage to relax and regroup. Guerrillas began to appear near the settlements where the Dutch SS were stationed, so the legionnaires had to take part in patrolling the front-line, search for and destroy partisan bases. The Dutch showed unheard of cruelty towards the civilian population. According to eyewitnesses, anyone just suspected of having links with partisans, legionnaires mercilessly killed on the spot.

The morale of legionnaires, exhausted in constant clashes, was shaken, only the generous rewarding of soldiers with Iron Crosses of the First and Second degree, as well as the arrival at the front of reinforcements, including the reinforced field hospital, and the arrival in early March from Holland of a representative delegation headed by Anton Mussert somewhat straightened the situation. Nevertheless, it was not possible to fully restore discipline in the unit: looting, looting and massacres of civilians continued. The High Command of the Waffen-SS decided to dislodge the not-reputable Otto Reich soldiers from the post of commander and stop the continued decomposition of the unit.


Fig. Solemn rewarding legionnaires


In the spring of 1942, the legion came under the control of the SS 2 Infantry Brigade, and the brigadeführer SS Gottfried Klingemann was appointed commander. He had the experience of commanding volunteer units and therefore was able to find a common language with the full-blown Dutch, putting a relative order in the part entrusted to him. The thaw began, the position of the Netherlands began to pour melt water, in some areas the water level in the trenches reached the belt. Many soldiers and officers fell ill.


Fig. Dutch volunteers in moments of calm


The Soviet infantry did everything to poison the lives of the "new crusaders" even more. On the night of April 6, the 1942 division of the 1002 Infantry Regiment of the 305 Division and the 1220 Regiment of the 366 Division of the Red Army secretly crept to the positions of the Legion and suddenly attacked them. The surprise of the attack bore fruit: the first line of trenches was captured, all the Dutch were in it after a short fight were destroyed. Red star bombers descended on the second line of defense, wave after wave, then a new attack by the Soviet infantry followed. However, with the help of the reinforcements that came up, at the cost of huge losses, the legionnaires managed to keep several strongholds. During the day of the battle, more than 500 people were killed on both sides. For this battle, the Legion deserved thanks from the Wehrmacht high command. However, due to large losses, his fighting efficiency decreased markedly, and the Dutch were withdrawn to the rear for re-formation.

The marching companies from the Netherlands replenished the profits, and the thinned ranks of the battalions were also joined by Volksdeutsche from Northern Schleswig. After a short rest, in June the 1942 part of the legion participated in the battles in the Volkhov Cauldron, where, together with the regiment from the Spanish 250 Infantry Division, they repeatedly attacked the Soviet positions in the area of ​​the Small Zamoshie village. The Red Army fiercely resisted and caused significant damage to the Dutch. In July, the Netherlands Legion took part in eliminating the last foci of resistance of the 2 Shock Army fighters. In Finyov Luga, a large number of Dutch weapons, ammunition and equipment, as well as more 3500 prisoners, including the traitor-general A.A. Vlasov.


Fig. Taking the oath by the recruits of the Netherlands Legion


In August, the legion, whose strength was reduced to 1197 people, was transferred to the Leningrad direction in the area of ​​the Red village, where he occupied his section of the front in the blockade ring. Fatigue and losses affected the fall of the fighting spirit of the unit, which was also "helped" by successful actions of the Soviet troops: the Dutch company that got into the "bag of fire" was utterly defeated. In order to strengthen the moral state of their Dutch comrades-in-arms, the German command chose a familiar way: the distribution of awards. For the heroism shown in the summer battles, the new legion commander Obertshurtmbanführer SS Josef Fitzthum introduced the 18 volunteers to the 1 degree and 158 2 soldiers in the Iron Cross.


In September, the Dutch, together with the Norwegian Legion and two Latvian “noise” - battalions from the SS 1942 infantry brigade, formed the Fitchum combat group, which took part in positional battles on various sectors of the front in the Shlisselburg region. On January 5, 2 from Holland came the news that the honorary chief of the legion, General Seiffardt, was killed by the Resistance fighters. Through the 1943 of the day, the command of the Waffen-SS assigned the honorary title "General Seyffardt" to the first company of the legion.


Fig. Soldiers of the company named after General Seffardt near Leningrad


On January 12, 1943, the Leningrad and Volkhov fronts began an operation to break the blockade. The Legion, which numbered 1755 people at the time of the Soviet offensive, together with parts of the Norwegian Volunteer Legion, took up positions in the defense zone of the 28th German airfield division. The area where the Dutch dug in was favorable for use tanks. However, due to poorly conducted intelligence by the Soviet command, the attacking Red Army units ran into an artillery ambush and came under targeted fire from the 75 mm legionnaire anti-tank guns. In this battle on February 26, 1943, the Legion-Rottenführer Gerard Muyman distinguished himself, knocking out of his guns thirteen T-34 and KV. For this fight, Muiman was awarded the Knight's Cross, becoming the first Dutchman to be awarded such a high award.


Fig. Legions-Rottenführer Gerard Muyman


27 April 1943, the remnants of the Legion were withdrawn from the front and sent to the Grafenwehr training ground, where 22 on May 1943, the Netherlands Volunteer Legion was officially disbanded.

In total, more than 8 thousands of Dutch died on the Soviet-German front, thousands of 4 were captured.



SS Freiwilligen-Legion "Flandern"

In October, 1931, a young Belgian of Flemish origin, Joris van Severen, organized the anti-clerical Union of Dutch National Socialists (Verdinaso). The main program of Verdinaso was the withdrawal of the German-speaking provinces from Belgium and the creation of the “Great Holland” in cooperation with the Netherlands and Luxembourg. At the beginning of the German invasion, van Severen was arrested by the Belgian police and handed over to the French authorities. On May 20, 1940, van Severen and 22, a member of his party, were shot by French soldiers without trial. His death highlighted another nationalist party, the Flemish National Union (Vlaamsh Nationaal Verbond - VNV). 11 May 1940, by order of the German occupational administration, VNV became the only political organization in Flanders, the rest of the parties were offered to dissolve or join the VNV. After this proposal, all right-wing movements, including Verdinaso, joined the VNV.

Unlike the Walloons, the Flemish were considered the German people, and therefore had the right to serve as part of the SS troops without any restrictions. In the summer, the Flemish volunteers appeared in the ranks of the SS Westland standard, a year later in the SS Netherlands standard. With the beginning of the Soviet-German war, it was decided to organize a volunteer unit to be sent to the eastern front. In April-May, the Flemish volunteers enlisted in the SS-Standarte "Nordwest" SS Viking division went to Hamburg for the initial military training.


Fig. Solemn farewell to the Flemish volunteers on the Eastern Front


They were united into 1, 6, and 8, the Flemish companies, which became the basis for the formation of the 1, 2 and 3 companies of the Flanders Volunteer Legion. In early October, the 1941-th Flemish volunteers were transferred to the Arus-Nord test site to complete the training. Like many other volunteer units made up of Western Europeans, the Flemish Legion became one of the units of the Waffen-SS. They were dressed in the standard field uniform of the SS troops, but were allowed to wear the VNV symbol in the form of a stylized "Wolfsnagel" of Dutch nationalists and a special insignia instead of the traditional SS "zippers" in buttonholes. The sleeve of the Volunteer Legion "Flanders" was a "Norman" shield with the old coat of arms of Flanders - black, walking on its hind legs, a lion on a golden field. A similar black Flanders lion was also depicted on a yellow, with black and yellow fringe, the banner of the Flemish volunteers. The lion stripe was worn on the left sleeve over the cuff, below the elbow bend. Many Flemish volunteers wore a black cuff tape with a silver border and the words “Legion Flandern” over the left cuff. By this time, the legion was reorganized into a reinforced battalion consisting of six companies: a staff headquarters, three rifle companies, a company of heavy infantry guns, and a company of tank destroyers.

During the formation of the Legion, the German command had a number of difficulties with manning this military unit with rolling stock. The situation was rectified by carrying out requisitions of wagons and horses in the occupied territories, the command of the SS troops allocated 150 trucks from their reserves.

On 10 in November, the legion's number-up consisted of 1112 people, of whom only 950 were Flemish volunteers, the rest were ethnic Germans. In addition, almost all officer and non-commissioned officer positions were also given to the German SS. 10 November 1941 of the year, having traveled a length of 2300 km, volunteers arrived at the front at the disposal of the command of Army Group North. The Legion was introduced into the SS 2 Infantry Brigade, the headquarters of the Legionnaires was located south of Tosno. SS Sturmbanführer Michael Lippert was appointed commander of Flanders.


Fig. Flemish legionnaires in combat positions


From November 16 1941, the legion was engaged in battles southeast of Leningrad. Then he was taken to the rear and used in the fight against Soviet partisans in the area of ​​the Mga-Kirishi railway, as well as in the area of ​​the village of Pogost. In December, severe frosts hit the 30 degrees below zero. The Flemish people who were unadapted to such cold weather and did not have a sufficient amount of winter uniforms began to suffer losses due to severe frostbite. The story repeatedly beaten up in domestic cinema, when poorly dressed enemy soldiers, forced to lie down in the snow under heavy fire of Soviet soldiers, slowly freeze in the open area, which first occurred with the Flemish subunit in the Pogostya area. In addition, the legion’s drivers, accustomed to the mild climate of their homeland, periodically forgot to drain the water from the radiators of cars for the night. A report from the 18 commander of the Legion of December 1941 of the year reports that for this reason 125 was out of service because 161 vehicles were available. As a result of the fighting and severe frosts, the size of the Legion was reduced to 654 people, including 23 officers, 72 non-commissioned officers and 559 privates.

On the same days, the legionnaires who had survived were set aside for a short-term rest for winter apartments. In January, 1942, the Flemish Legion was sent to the front at the disposal of the Wehrmacht 126 Infantry Division. The second and fourth companies were included in the 424-th regiment, the rest went to replenish the 422-th regiment, which suffered heavy losses in defensive battles of January 1942-th year. The fourth company participated in the battles for the place Zapolye, the second - for the village Koptsy. 22 January under Koptsy crazy shell was killed by the commander of the Flemish assault detachments (Black Brigades), a prominent leader of VNV Raymond Toilerlernayer.

In February, the Flemings acted in conjunction with units of the 250th Spanish Infantry Division in the area of ​​the Chudovo-Novgorod highway, then in early March, the legionnaires attacked and captured the village of имimitza. On March 27, the legion was withdrawn to the rear, to the reserve of 12 army corps, and on March 58, after a short rest, the Flanders volunteers were subordinated to the 1th Infantry Division. In the Diary of Combat Operations of the division of March 9-1942, XNUMX, the Flemish Legion was given a detailed description compiled by a German staff officer. She, in particular, read: “Intelligence is poorly organized in the legion. When attacking fortified enemy points, the interaction with artillery and aviation. In the event of the death of an officer, the offensive stops and does not begin until the arrival or appointment of a new commander. The communication between the units of the legion, as well as between headquarters and units, is not well organized. The evacuation of the wounded is disgustingly organized. There is no combat interaction with the Spaniards. "Artillery support is requested without a reason, the exact coordinates of the targets are not indicated." The memorandum also urges the strengthening of the legion by German junior and mid-level commanders.

At the beginning of April 1942, the legionnaires fought hard in the area of ​​the Volkhov Cauldron to the east of the village of Lyubtsy, interacting with the Spaniards from the Blue Division. 2 April during one of the counterattacks of the Soviet infantry in the battle formations of the Spaniards, there was confusion, threatening to turn into a disorderly retreat. Trying to organize the defense, the commander of "Flanders" Lippert was seriously wounded. Hauptshturmführer Halmann from the SS division Polizei, who had taken command of the legion on the battlefield, managed to organize a strike group of legionnaires and Spaniards and stop and then eliminate a dangerous breakthrough with a bold counter-attack. In mid-April, the Standartführer SS Paul von Lettow-Forbeck, nephew of the hero of Africa during World War I, was appointed commander of the Volunteer Legion Flanders.

On the night of April 26 of the 1942, the legion replaced the 426 Infantry Regiment on the southern face of the Volkhov Cauldron. During the April battles, the legion suffered heavy losses. 13 officers, non-commissioned officers and 26 lower ranks remained in the ranks. Despite this, the Flemish volunteers were included in the operational group "Bourke", which besides them included the 288 th battalion of the 3 regiment of the Blue Division and the combined battalion of "Valentin" from the 262 th infantry division. The commander of the legion was appointed Obersturmbanführer SS Joseph Fitzhum.

In mid-June, the legionnaires, together with a battalion of Spaniards, attacked the Soviet positions near the villages of Maloye and Bolshoy Zamoshye. When the Spanish soldiers lay under heavy fire in an open area, the Flemish legion continued to attack in order to divert attention to themselves and give the Spaniards the opportunity to withdraw and regroup. This battle cost the legion 11 killed (including two officers) and 26 injured. The Flemish sacrifice was highly appreciated by the command of the Burke Group, and thanks were given to the Legion’s personnel. In a summary of 26 June, the command of the task force noted the increased skill and heroism of the Flemish volunteers: “During the day of the battles, they had eliminated 13 fortified dugouts and bunkers. Killed more 200 soldiers and officers of the enemy. The brave actions of the legionnaires serve as a good example for the Spanish soldiers. ” 11 July the legion was allotted to rest. Legion Commander Fitzhum arranged a magnificent funeral for the dead legionnaires, in which he gave a speech in which he thanked the Flemish volunteers for their contribution to the struggle for the common cause of the German people - the conquest of living space (lebensraum).


Fig. Solemn construction of the Legion "Flanders"


From 15 on July 1942, the SS took over Hauptsturmführer SS Konrad Schellong. In August 1942, the Flanders legion occupied a section of the front in the defense zone of the 2 SS brigade, gaining its place in the steel ring of the blockade that squeezed Leningrad. Along with the Flemings, Dutch and Norwegian volunteers fought as part of this brigade.


Fig. Spring on the Eastern Front


In early August, the Soviet offensive began on the position of the 18-th German army, which went down in history under the name 1-e Ladoga battle. The legionnaires took part in the battles in the vicinity of Kolpino, and then, when the front stabilized, the Flemish legion occupied trenches for almost a year in the floodplain of the Izhora River, waging a grueling positional war.

In October, a replenishment began to arrive from Belgium, 1942, and by the beginning of 1943, the legion had almost completely restored its size. Flemish volunteers patrolled the front line in the area of ​​the Red Village, repeatedly reflecting the daring attacks of small detachments of Soviet infantry and intelligence officers. During the joint offensive of the Leningrad and Volkhov fronts of 12 in January of 1943, the Flanders legionnaires occupied positions in the Kolpino area. As a result of fierce battles, the legion lost half its composition, but all attempts by the Soviet troops to break through the defenses in their sector ended in failure.


Fig. Legionaries


After a month of fighting, 12 in February, the thinned legion, which consisted of the entire 450 man, was assigned to the Red Village area, where it was used as a hull rolling reserve. In March, it was given to the SS divisions "Polizei", which was bogged down in fierce battles under Red Bor and the settlement of Nikolskoye. In these battles, the legion ceased to exist as a combat unit, on 1 of April 1943 goals in the ranks remained less than 50 people. On April 14, the Flemish survivors were brought to the reserve, and in the middle of May, 1943 was sent to the Dębitsa training ground, where an assault brigade of the SS "Langemark" was formed. The battle path of the Flanders Volunteer Legion was over.

During the war, more than 5000 citizens of the Kingdom of Belgium perished on the Soviet-German front, 4729 of the Walloons and Flemings were captured.



Say a word about poor landsknecht ...

At present, in certain circles of Russian society, it has become a fashionable tendency to try to level up those who came to a foreign country to burn, rob and kill those who defended their home, their family, their people from destruction. Rehabilitating the war of Germany (or to be precise, almost the whole of Europe) against the USSR, such Russian-speaking gentlemen strongly impose the image of the Soviet Union as the empire of evil. Closing their eyes to the real crimes of invaders of all stripes in our land, they regularly present various tales about the "atrocities" of Soviet soldiers in Germany, the total "rape by the savage Bolshevik hordes" of the female population of entire countries and other outright nonsense. It comes to the fact that some of our fellow citizens, who believed in the tales of professional mourners for the “victims of Soviet totalitarianism”, brought up by the talentless films of the Great Patriotic War and other naked lies pouring from television screens, are almost the liberator of the “oppressed” Russian people. Sometimes it even happens that all those who fought on Hitler’s side are recognized as “fighters against Stalin’s tyranny”, “liberators of Russia from communism”, “ambassadors of civilized Europe”. What freedom and civilization these “ambassadors of Europe” carried to Russia, opens in their order from 2 May 1941, the commander of the 4 tank group Erich Goepner in connection with the forthcoming hostilities in the East: “... The war against Russia is the most important part of the struggle for the existence of the German people. This long-standing struggle of the Germans against the Slavs, the defense of European culture from the Moscow-Asian invasion, repulse Bolshevism. This struggle should pursue the goal of turning today's Russia into ruins, and therefore it should be fought with unheard of cruelty ... ”

And when you find out that on the territory of the Leningrad Oblast, certain representatives of the authorities are allowed to place obelisks, crosses and memorials to dead soldiers from foreign legions of the SS, you do not get tired to be surprised if they have a short memory, or frank cynicism of these people. There is a controversial thesis that "you can not always hate dead enemies." It is likely that he has the right to exist in certain situations, but not here. You can understand and even forgive the soldiers of those countries that were officially in a state of war with the USSR. Without at all relieving them of responsibility for criminal acts in the occupied Soviet territories, it’s still necessary to admit that the main part of the blame for this lies with the top leadership of their countries, who sometimes simply did not leave any choice to their citizens dressed in military uniform. Those who voluntarily took up arms and came to our country to kill the Soviet people, as well as those who justify them now, can never be forgiveness.
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  1. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 31 January 2016 07: 18
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    Good article. The eternal memory of the Soviet wars that won this unequal battle.
    1. ra77767
      ra77767 31 January 2016 21: 47
      -16 qualifying.
      Eternal memory to worthy enemies.
      1. Alexdark
        Alexdark 31 January 2016 22: 19
        +6
        Worthy, but not this. Some Finns and other offended mura, who could not fight the Germans, joined them and went to the USSR. Oh and worthy enemies. Rats are ordinary, cowardly.
      2. 357PDP
        357PDP 1 February 2016 06: 25
        +3
        not eternal memory and not worthy of enemies! the enemy he is the enemy, came to our land and killed our people! remember him and honor his memory the lot of cowards unworthy of the memory of great ancestors! it must be remembered that dear Dutchmen hung our partisans, but never to honor!
      3. Pomeranian
        1 February 2016 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: ra77767
        Eternal memory to worthy enemies.

        The Germans from the Wehrmacht are worthy enemies. The Finns from the army, the border guard corps are worthy enemies. Romanians, Hungarians and other Italians are worthy enemies. SS rabble - it is rabble.
        1. 2news
          2news 1 February 2016 15: 31
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          SS rabble - it is rabble.

          Who else in your system is scum? Polish Army soldiers, who are they? And the Anders armies? Soldiers of the Czechoslovak corps of L. Liberty, who? French Normandy-Niemen, who? And de Gaulle?
          Tell us more specifically so that we understand.
          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Hungarians and other Italians are worthy enemies.

          And the Hungarians and Italians, how are he different from the SS men?
          1. Pomeranian
            1 February 2016 16: 26
            +1
            Quote: 2news
            Who else in your system is scum? Polish Army soldiers, who are they? And the Anders armies? Soldiers of the Czechoslovak corps of L. Liberty, who? French Normandy-Niemen, who? And de Gaulle?
            Tell us more specifically so that we understand.

            I indicate. All of the soldiers and armies you listed have fought for the freedom and independence of YOUR Homeland. And they did not go to kill people, conquering a foreign country.
            Quote: 2news
            And the Hungarians and Italians, how are he different from the SS men?

            They were sent to war by force. And they went to the SS voluntarily. Read the last paragraph of my article.
            1. 2news
              2news 1 February 2016 17: 10
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              Quote: Pomoryanin
              All the soldiers and armies listed by you have fought for the freedom and independence of YOUR Homeland.

              Well, I think you understand what I wrote to you. And how such actions are interpreted by international law. Therefore, "beautiful words" and magnificent phrases were used.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              They were sent to war by force.

              Really? Something you do not write anything about the Spaniards? Why?
              1. Pomeranian
                1 February 2016 20: 16
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                Quote: 2news
                Really? Something you do not write anything about the Spaniards? Why?

                It is difficult to communicate with a person who is in his own world. Is it okay that this article, which everyone comments amicably, has a title that includes "Part Two"? http://topwar.ru/89885-evropeyskie-krestonoscy-gitlera-pod-leningradom-chast-per
                vaya.html Here is the first. The conclusion to this large article is a conclusion to both parts. This is the end.
                2.
                Quote: 2news
                Well, I think you understand what I wrote to you. AND

                I don’t understand what you are hinting at, what you think and what code is hidden in your phrases. Please explain in a language accessible to all, and not build conspiracy theological castles.
  2. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 31 January 2016 07: 24
    +5
    Great Feat of the Soviet People! To grind such pretentious "supermen" from all over Europe into dust was a task beyond the strength of the USSR. And the price of that Victory is impossible for anyone else!
    1. user
      user 31 January 2016 14: 17
      +3
      And so, when you find out that on the territory of the Leningrad Region certain representatives of power structures are allowed to put obelisks, crosses and memorials to fallen soldiers from foreign SS legions, you never get tired of being surprised by either a short memory or frank cynicism of these people.


      But it’s interesting, but the corresponding structures are looking where, or they are also attached to power structures, well, such as a bonus.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 15: 33
      -17 qualifying.
      The price of victory is 27 million and a third of the economy. There is nothing proud here.
      We need to figure out how, having such resources, with incredible efforts, sacrificing the labor of a whole generation to create a military industry to the detriment of literally everything, and celebrating the New 41st year with the Germans near Moscow.
      The USSR managed to meet the war without allies, trusting Hitler and obviously being late with the entry into the war, with the highest command in no way corresponding to the modern level.
      1. 97110
        97110 31 January 2016 20: 16
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        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        The USSR managed to meet the war without allies,

        Gossip. Managed to turn enemies into Finnish allies. If it were not for this of yours "contrived ...", it is not known on whose side England and France would have been. That YUS will enter the war on the side of the winners is not worth discussing.
      2. Pomeranian
        31 January 2016 20: 33
        +3
        I have a vague suspicion that you are taking information from the Ogonyok magazine from the time of the perestroika frenzy. 1. Ride the front twice in any country, I would see what happened to the population and what remained of the economy.
        2. In fact, they began to build a normal army in the 1939 year, and before that they spent money on obscure projects, and there was not enough money in the country. There were few qualified personnel, machine tools, and technologies.
        3. Poland met the war having allied two leading powers in Europe, so what?
        4. The USSR did not want to fight. It was a peace-loving country, sometimes to cowardice. The rearmament of the army should have ended in 1942.
        5. And tell me, which of the heroes of the Civil War showed himself very well in the Patriotic War in the rank of commander of this and that war ??
        6. I'll put a minus to you too. Nothing personal.
        1. 2news
          2news 1 February 2016 01: 08
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          what information you from the magazine "Ogonyok" from the time of the intoxication of perestroika are drawing.

          Where are you from? From manuals for instructors of the district committees of the CPSU?
          1. And you did not think about the fact that the front might not have rolled 2 times around the country. For this, the Red Army existed. which did not fulfill its task. Even despite 09.05.45/XNUMX/XNUMX. Anyway, the army’s mission was a failure.
          2. Actually, right since 1917. And especially intensively since 1924. Some 15 carried anti-tank guns. And a variety of cannon 24,5 thousand tanks and BA (the Germans in the invading army had a little more than 3 thousand cannon tanks of all kinds). What you discovered there in 1939 is not clear. The Germans, by the way, began to arm themselves only in 1934. And in 5 years they prepared for war.
          3. The Poles really can only be envied. They did not become the "cannon fodder" of the Anglo-Saxons.
          4. Yeah. Therefore, before the Second World War, the USSR managed to attack all its neighbors, except Korea, Iran and Turkey. However, the USSR attacked Iran during the Second World War. And to Bulgaria in 1944, too. And to Japan in 1945, after the Second World War. The country was very "peaceful".
          5. Why was it necessary to promote the "heroes of the Civil War"? And who are they? Do you understand the meaning of the words "heroes of the Civil War"? Who is this? The one who killed the Russians the most?
          1. Pomeranian
            1 February 2016 13: 50
            +1
            Quote: 2news
            And you did not think about the fact that the front might not have rolled 2 times around the country. For this, the Red Army existed. which did not fulfill its task. Even despite 09.05.45. Anyway, the army’s mission was a failure.

            1. I thought about it. But the Wehrmacht was simply stronger, more organized, better equipped. Germany is not the last country in Europe. Have you ever wondered where the army would take the commanders if its strength from 1,8 million in 1938 increased to 5,3 million in 1941? WHERE to get mid-level commanders if the lieutenant needs to be properly taught at least 4 of the year?
            2. What did I find in 1939? The reorganization of the Red Army, began to rake what the former warrant officer in the marshal’s posts did. Real rearmament began. Almost all weapons of Victory start made no earlier than 1939 year.
            3.
            Quote: 2news
            In fact, the Poles can only be envied. They did not become the "cannon fodder" of the Anglo-Saxons.

            I love anti-advisers! Well, surrender, go to someone in the service, disappear in the form of fertilizer in the fields. You are jealous of the occupied Poles.
            3. The Poles really can only be envied. They did not become "cannon fodder" for the Anglo-Saxons. I like anti-Soviet people for their childlike spontaneity. What to envy? The one that occupied your country and was not considered a people for five years?
            4.
            Quote: 2news
            Therefore, the Soviet Union before the Second World War managed to attack all its neighbors

            Well, who did the USSR attack it? To Poland? But was Poland a state at the time of the entry of Soviet troops if its rulers were shed in Romania?
            5.
            Quote: 2news
            Why was it necessary to promote the "heroes of the Civil War"? And who are they? Do you understand the meaning of the words "Civil War heroes"? Who is this? The one who killed the Russians the most?
            Well, General Slashchev (this is me for political correctness), for example, also did not cut the air with a saber and did not fight against the Central African Empire. I just meant that the major commanders of the Red Army, who were such in the Civil War, did not shine with any special commanding talents and the so-called "repressions" did not cause any fatal damage to the defense capability of the Red Army.
            1. 2news
              2news 1 February 2016 15: 58
              -2
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              Have you ever wondered where the army would take the commanders if its strength from 1,8 million in 1938 grew to 5,3 million in 1941?

              From the reserve, of course. From where else. After all, he exists for this, this reserve. All the cadres draw from there, not only the Red Army. Another thing is the state of this reserve, and indeed the personnel army itself.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              WHERE to take mid-level commanders if the lieutenant should be properly trained for at least 4 years?

              Fully in reserve of lieutenants, elders and other captains.
              And then, why not 40 years? In fact, do not fantasize, during the war and for 6 months managed. And already 12 months, so it's for the eyes. Not a great bird. And so, they can teach for 20 years. And get paid for it.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              Almost all of the weapons of victory began not earlier than 1939.

              Rifle and machine gun Maxim, royal. Handbrake DP arr. 1927 TT arr. 1933
              Three-inch cannon mod. 1930 (pre-revolutionary alteration), forty-five cannon arr. 1930 (alteration of the marine pre-revolutionary). Anti-aircraft gun mod. 1930 (in 1939 it was redone). Where did you find the "new weapon" there?
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              The fact that they occupied your country and were not counted as people for five years?

              And how many years did not count the people of the happy inhabitants of the Soviet occupied territories? And how many years THEN they were not considered for people? Was in occupation, often it sounded like a sentence.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              But was Poland a state at the time of the entry of Soviet troops if its rulers were shed in Romania?

              This is the problem of Poland and the Poles.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              and the so-called "repression"

              Those. even the fact of repression you deny?
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              no fatal damage to the defense of the Red Army did not cause.

              Of course, they didn’t. You cannot harm what was not.
              1. Pomeranian
                1 February 2016 16: 20
                -1
                Quote: 2news
                From the reserve, of course. From where else. After all, he exists for this, this reserve. All the cadres draw from there, not only the Red Army. Another thing is the state of this reserve, and indeed the personnel army itself.

                What are you! From 1925 to 1937, the 12 academies (without a veterinary institute) trained 13 thousand commanders and other specialists with higher military education, and military schools trained 134 700 junior officers. Where did the reserve come from? In addition, the transition from a cropped system to a normal one was completed in 1939. Did you come up with something about an excess of military specialists in reserve. There was no money in the country to train a wide layer of professionals. Not malicious intent or stupidity - there were no funds.
                2.
                Quote: 2news
                And then, why not 40 years? In fact, do not fantasize, during the war and for 6 months managed.

                Well, for three months they managed. At the courses of junior lieutenants. And what do you want from such a commander?
                3.
                Quote: 2news
                Rifle and machine gun Maxim, royal. Handbrake DP arr. 1927 TT arr. 1933
                Three-inch cannon mod. 1930 (pre-revolutionary alteration), forty-five cannon arr. 1930 (alteration of the marine pre-revolutionary). Anti-aircraft gun mod. 1930 (in 1939 it was redone). Where did you find the "new weapon" there?

                T-34, KV tank, a rocket launcher called Katyusha, 120 mm mortar, PPSh, etc., etc. The Germans, by the way, also did not fight with blasters, but with a carbine of the 1898 model of the year.
                4.
                Quote: 2news
                Was in occupation, often it sounded like a sentence.

                It used to sound, but it didn’t sound. There were no repressions of my family from the Soviet government. Although the grandfather was alone in captivity, the grandmother in 1941 was in occupation. Item in the questionnaire, no more.
                5.
                Quote: 2news
                This is the problem of Poland and the Poles.

                Yes, and Crimea and Donbass are a problem for Ukrainians and Ukraine, yeah.
                6.
                Quote: 2news
                Those. even the fact of repression you deny?

                To apply to the army, I would call them "purges". Mass collaboration among the top command personnel was still avoided.
                7. Your sarcasm is not clear.
                1. 2news
                  2news 1 February 2016 17: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Where did the reserve come from?

                  Really. In 1941 there was nowhere to take. And in 1943, it was already from. Have you bred yourself? By budding?
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  There was no money in the country to train a wide layer of professionals. Not malicious intent or stupidity - there were no funds.

                  Who is arguing? in 1940 they lived poorly. Without funds. And in 1942. already rich. Means, chickens did not bite.
                  No need to tell tales, okay?
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  And what do you want from such a commander?

                  Well done. The mind of a large platoon is not necessary to command. And education, too. Especially the rifle.
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  T-34, KV tank, rocket launcher called Katyusha, 120 mm mortar, PPSh, etc., etc.

                  I want to remind you that between 1917 and 1941 there are 24 years. And the world this quarter of a century has not stood still. The Germans, too, in 1917. there were no Tigers, Panthers, T-IVs and other "Vanyush" with MP40. Have appeared. Therefore, it is not necessary to ascribe to the Bolsheviks what would have appeared without them.
                  But the basic armament (I deflected it for you) has remained the same. Royal, times 1MV.
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  The Germans, by the way, also did not fight with blasters, but with a carbine of the sample of 1898.

                  And I always wrote that the Germans were very poorly armed. But they prepared for war for 5 years, from 1934 to 1939. And the USSR began to prepare 10 years earlier.
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Although my grandfather was alone in captivity, my grandmother was also in occupation in 1941. Item in the questionnaire, no more.

                  Apparently they worked as janitors. Janitors did not care.
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  To apply to the army, I would call them "purges".

                  Call it what you like. Repression, they are repression.
                  1. Pomeranian
                    1 February 2016 20: 34
                    0
                    Quote: 2news
                    Have you bred yourself? By budding?

                    I was right about the "light" magazine. Read historical memoirs. Open sources, it says in black and white that in 1942 many were surprised at the predominance of older soldiers in the army, which radically changed in 1943 and 1944. They trained in two years.
                    2. In 1940 they lived poorly. Without funds. And in 1942. already rich. Means, hens did not bite.
                    No need to tell tales, okay?
                    I won’t. For the place of the storyteller is densely occupied.

                    “We did a great job. You don’t need to command a large platoon. And education, too. Especially the rifle one.” Excuse me, in what rank were you demobilized? Honestly.

                    3.
                    Quote: 2news
                    But the basic armament (I deflected it for you) has remained the same. Royal, times 1MV.

                    Remind me what you want. I know that in Russia there were no qualified engineers or even workers. They had to be recreated. In Germany, there was no such problem. What is the problem? We were not able to make complex systems. Learned by the end of 30's. And then went into a series of models of weapons appropriate to the time. The USSR is in 30 one of the poorest countries in Europe.
                    4.
                    Quote: 2news
                    And the USSR began preparing for 10 years earlier.
                    You are writing nonsense again. The USSR did not have the means to prepare for a big war since 1924. Did not have. The USSR is the most peaceful country in Europe, for it was even afraid of Poland. There was no money, no equipment, no industrial base to prepare for war. It was created only by 1939. You, apparently, are studying history according to Svanidze. Or according to Mark Solonin, I have heard many similar "pearls" from him. (((
                    5.
                    Quote: 2news
                    Apparently they worked as janitors. Janitors did not care.

                    No, not janitors, given that the grandfathers (and mine, naturally) are mentioned in the annals of the 16 century. There was nothing and no one. my grandfather worked for three months at a construction site in a filtration camp and that’s it. I went home. Like me with a visa at the beginning of the 80's, no problem. We’ll finish on the sim.
                    1. 2news
                      2news 1 February 2016 21: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      I won’t. For the place of the storyteller is densely occupied.

                      You?
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      Excuse me, what rank were you demobilized in?

                      I was not demobilized. Since it was not mobilized. Mobilization takes place only during the war, as a rule.
                      As for the platoon commander. In general, I believe that the platoon should be commanded by a warrant officer or a foreman. Or the platoon must be different. In the concept I presented at the time (otErgli), a motorized rifle platoon is commanded by a lieutenant. But the platoon also consists of 64 people. And then they have multiplied "gentlemen officers", there are not enough soldiers for all of them.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      Learned by the end of the 30s.

                      Yes? Is that what you mean?
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      T-34, KV tank, rocket launcher called Katyusha, 120 mm mortar, PPSh

                      Dear you are my man. The KV was not really put into production so much. The Katyushas were brought only to the end of the war, giving the missiles rotation (the Czechs were the first to propose to do this for the Germans). The T-34 was never truly functional. Because was an ordinary "infantry tank" forced to be assigned to the MBT role. This is the one that is T-34/76. And the T-34/85 was not even a tank, but rather a self-propelled gun with a rotating turret. Those. variation on the SU-85. About the PPSh, we can only say that its effective destruction range was 30 m.At the norm for the submachine gun of 100-110 m. I will not write anything about the 120 mm mortar. Well, I just won't, that's all.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      And then went into a series of models of weapons appropriate to the time.

                      There were no such weapons in the Red Army. And the USSR won not because of its weapons, but in spite of it. Moreover, I agree with the leadership of the USSR, which, realizing the real TTX of weapons, crushed the Germans with its shaft. I think that was the right approach. In terms of performance characteristics, it was impossible to jump out of the pants, but the quantity could be crushed. So they did.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      in the 30s one of the poorest countries in Europe.

                      And why was this, did not think?
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      The USSR did not have the means of preparing for a major war since 1924. Did not have.

                      And where in the Red Army on 01.06.41/15/24,5. XNUMX thousand transported forty-five and XNUMX thousand took cannon tanks and BA? The wind blew? I can even count larger guns. There were no funds, but more weapons than the rest of Europe. Maybe because there was no money because everyone went to arms?
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      The USSR is the most peace-loving country in Europe, for it was even afraid of Poland.

                      Really? Something from 1939. it is not noticeable. And until 1940. also.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      my grandfather worked for three months at a construction site in a filtration camp and that’s it. went home. Like me with a visa in the early 80s, no problem

                      Home, where is it, to Moscow? Got a job at the Foreign Ministry?
                      Well, the 80s no longer counts.
            2. 97110
              97110 1 February 2016 19: 37
              +1
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              and the so-called "repressions" did not cause any fatal damage to the defense capability of the Red Army.

              I fully support.
              1. Army soldier2
                Army soldier2 2 February 2016 12: 15
                +1
                2news! You overwhelm the intellect!
                Dear you are my man. The KV was not really put into production so much. The Katyushas were brought only to the end of the war, giving the missiles rotation (the Czechs were the first to propose to do this for the Germans). The T-34 was never truly functional. Because was an ordinary "infantry tank" forced to be assigned to the MBT role. This is the one that is T-34/76. And the T-34/85 was not even a tank, but rather a self-propelled gun with a rotating turret. Those. variation on the SU-85. About the PPSh, we can only say that its effective destruction range was 30 m.At the norm for the submachine gun of 100-110 m. I will not write anything about the 120 mm mortar. Well, I just won't, that's all.

                I envy you very much! The owner of such a chic sofa! Only on it come such insights.
                True, I didn’t understand. Are you an army general in reserve or a former minister of defense industry?
                1. 2news
                  2news 2 February 2016 12: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Army 2
                  2news! You overwhelm the intellect!

                  This is not my problem.
                  Quote: Army 2
                  I envy you very much!

                  And not only you.
                  Quote: Army 2
                  The owner of such a chic sofa!

                  And then. Such sofas in furniture stores cost specific money. Not everyone has them. So they envy. How are you.
                  Quote: Army 2
                  True, I didn’t understand. Are you an army general in reserve or a former minister of defense industry?

                  And this is already from an anecdote that ends like this: "If you are so smart, why don't you go in formation."
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  3. egor670
    egor670 31 January 2016 07: 36
    20
    In fact, the USSR fought against all of Europe and won! The funny thing is, when the Soviet troops already took Berlin, many countries began to declare war on Germany, they say, we also plowed the winners too!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 15: 44
      -15 qualifying.
      The USSR fought in alliance with the two strongest and richest countries in the world, in alliance with the United States and Great Britain. The United States alone delivered more than 600 to the USSR.
      The real assistance to the Reich was provided only by our fraternal Soviet republics - Estonia, Latvia - 100-150 thousand each, Lithuania -80, Belarus - 70, Ukraine - more than 250.
      Europe put 10-20 from each country stubborn fascists who went to war of their own free will, and not by draft.
      Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Iceland, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Bulgaria did not participate in the war.
      Great Britain fought against Germany. Wow "all of Europe".
      1. frekenbok
        frekenbok 31 January 2016 21: 58
        +2
        still forgot about France ... fought? Yes . (mainly on the radio from London) do not smash nonsense
      2. 2news
        2news 1 February 2016 01: 34
        +4
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Europe put 10-20 from each country stubborn fascists

        The Italian 8th army was numbering 230 thousand people.
        Only one 4th Romanian army with dowry troops in the battles for Odessa consisted of approximately 300 thousand people. And there were other armies.
        The Hungarian army was quite large (2nd Army 200 thousand people.).
        Slovak Finnish.
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      4. alexej123
        alexej123 1 February 2016 16: 39
        +1
        You are not only people, you also count the economy. Almost all European enterprises worked for the Reich. Sweden, using neutrality, supplied ore, Switzerland, even before the war supplied anti-aircraft artillery, Turkey, diverted about 20 of our divisions to itself. It is not enough? You want to say that "you butted poor Michels for a very long time?"
        1. 2news
          2news 1 February 2016 17: 51
          -2
          Quote: alexej123
          Almost all European enterprises worked on the Reich.

          Well, let's say, most of the enterprises of continental Europe. But almost the rest of the world economy worked against it, except Japan. Therefore, the ratio of production potential was strongly not in favor of the Germans. They therefore planned all the blitzkriegs. They could not wage a protracted war, there was no potential.
          1. Pomeranian
            1 February 2016 20: 38
            +1
            Quote: 2news
            But almost the rest of the world economy worked against

            Ask why, after the war in the United States, a Senate investigation was launched against Standard Oil.
            1. 2news
              2news 1 February 2016 20: 44
              -1
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              after the war in the US instituted a Senate investigation against Standard Oil

              So what? Still alive of all living things.
              In fact, fantasize. Americans did not send Lend-Lease convoys to the Germans.
              1. Pomeranian
                1 February 2016 20: 51
                +1
                Quote: 2news
                In fact, fantasize.

                Well, okay. Zero knowledge. Ford is not worth talking about. I have the honor.
                1. 2news
                  2news 1 February 2016 21: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Well, okay. Knowledge is zero.

                  At such moments, only what I understand warms me, there are people who have even fewer of them. Type of you.
                2. 2news
                  2news 1 February 2016 21: 49
                  -2
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Well, okay. Knowledge is zero.

                  At such moments, only what I understand warms me, there are people who have even fewer of them. Type of you.
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  4. parusnik
    parusnik 31 January 2016 08: 13
    +6
    There were fewer Resistance fighters in Holland and Belgium (and were there any) than those who fought in SS battalions ...
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 31 January 2016 11: 25
      +9
      Vadim Kozhinov (unfortunately left early) very succinctly and in detail reveals the topic of the "mass" European "Resistance" in his book "The Great War of Russia"
  5. ava09
    ava09 31 January 2016 08: 47
    +4
    (C) Russian-speaking gentlemen strenuously impose the image of the Soviet Union as an evil empire. (C)
    I really hope that soon, as punishment for these gentlemen there will be only one measure - the Highest degree of social protection. They are much more dangerous than an open enemy because they are not Russian, but Russian-speaking.
  6. bodzu
    bodzu 31 January 2016 09: 03
    +6
    Europe geek territory
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 15: 46
      -4
      You are an American?
      I live in Russia and always considered my land to be Europe.
      Do you think us Russians are geeks?
      1. ava09
        ava09 2 February 2016 02: 30
        0
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        You are an American?
        I live in Russia and always considered my land to be Europe.
        Do you think us Russians are geeks?


        There is no need to identify yourself with all the "Russians", among them there are those who are interested in their roots. They know for sure that there was no such name for the continent "Eurasia", but there was "Asia" - the land of the Ases, which became "Asia", and then, as the lands were separated from it, "Europe" appeared, whether it was wrong ...
  7. am808s
    am808s 31 January 2016 09: 03
    -17 qualifying.
    The Pomorian will probably post "Mine Kampf" here next time?
    1. Pomeranian
      31 January 2016 20: 34
      +2
      Quote: am808s
      The Pomorian will probably post "Mine Kampf" here next time?

      Maybe I'll post it. But you won’t read anyway. How not to read this article.
  8. Squelcher
    Squelcher 31 January 2016 09: 09
    18
    I don’t remember where, but the phrase was remembered.
    But the article is just right ....
    "Fate gave me a chance to die on my own land, defending my home, and you die in a foreign land, being damned and forgotten." (C)
  9. The point
    The point 31 January 2016 09: 33
    +9
    Dedicated to all uninvited "guests". M. Svetlov. "Italian". Read by K. Pletnev.

  10. midshipman
    midshipman 31 January 2016 10: 33
    19
    In my opinion, such material should be mandatory in textbooks for our students. It is at this age that consciousness, pride and responsibility for the country are formed. All this was lost due to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. They began to educate young people in the spirit of reconciliation and oblivion of the grief that these legionaries inflicted on our country, people and children of that time.
    I had to write a lot of stories and short stories about the Great Patriotic War. All my relatives defended the country. Many died, including my father. Therefore, I had to grow up an orphan, but became a scientist, a leader in industry and science, brought up children and grandchildren. He constantly headed the departments at universities (part-time), prepared more than 100 doctors and candidates of sciences.
    And now a few numbers. The Red Army took prisoner: more than 4 thousand Dutch, more than 2 thousand Finns, more than 2 thousand Belgians, more than 1,5 thousand Luxembourgers, 457 Danes, 452 Spaniards, more than 21 thousand Yugoslavs, more than 69 thousand Czechs, more than 150 thousand Austrians, etc. What did these legionnaires lack in their countries? Why did they go to kill our people? Do liberals and those who are now looking for their homeland in London, Paris, Berlin, etc., think about this? Why are we silent about this? And on TV and in the media we show "Street of Broken Lanterns", "Trace" and other crime.
    I have been to many countries and with government delegations and business trips in enterprises. There is no better country. Yes, sometimes it costs to study abroad. I myself had to give lectures at universities in England, the USA and France. But this is according to our systems for the movement of aircraft in airspace and in space.
    During the Second World War, the Northern Front was stable for 3 years. It stabilized due to a platinum explosion at the BBK in December 1941. Then more than 1,5 thousand drunk Finns were washed away into Lake Onega. Moreover, England and the USA warned the Finns.
    Russians, take care of your country from legionnaires and liberals. I have the honor.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 14: 45
      -1
      You probably haven’t watched TV for a long time.
      Over the past 10 years, dozens of films and series have been shot on the theme of the Great Patriotic War.
      Quite high-quality, albeit with fantasy elements.
      "Northern Front", which only costs, there are 50 series.
      That era was characterized by an extreme aggravation of the kolass struggle. Someone went to help the Germans. Someone is Russian. A huge number from simple laborers to aristocrats supported the USSR in its struggle.
      1. 97110
        97110 31 January 2016 20: 22
        +5
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Quite high-quality, albeit with

        bad specialty in the title role. Who's having dinner with a girl ...
    2. mahor
      mahor 31 January 2016 15: 57
      +5
      , more than 69 thousand Czechs

      And Czechs are always offended when they are called fascists! And they themselves fell under Hitler, together with industry and all weapons!
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 16: 03
        +6
        The industry was strong there. Forge of the former Austria - Hungary. Self-propelled guns, messers, trucks.
        The Czechs contributed to the victory. Considerable. On the other side.
        Therefore, they raised an unnecessary uprising in May 1945. To somehow whitewash yourself.
      2. Pomeranian
        31 January 2016 20: 36
        +3
        Quote: mahor
        And they themselves fell under Hitler, together with industry and all weapons!

        I read somewhere that the Czechs in July 1945 came to demand the salary for April-May from the leadership of the factory that produced military equipment for Germany.
    3. your1970
      your1970 31 January 2016 16: 14
      +3
      Well, with Finland, everything is quite simple - the experience of the "non-famous war" showed that at first everything will be fun, but then the Russians will get together, roll up the "Stalinist sledgehammers" / bring up the infantry / tanks / aviation, and here the fun will end abruptly ..
      In general, it amazes me that Mannerheim, knowing the Russian army, allowed to get into the war in general, the results were generally predictable. The response was softness towards the Finns after the war ended: they made a little room, but they were always among the first to trade
      1. marshes
        marshes 31 January 2016 17: 09
        +3
        Quote: your1970
        It generally surprises me that Mannerheim, knowing the Russian army, allowed me to get into the war.

        He was not a fool, he did not fit in the war, she herself came there. The Finns quite cleverly left the war but lost part of the land.
        1. Pomeranian
          31 January 2016 20: 47
          +4
          Quote: marshes
          she came there herself. The Finns quite cleverly left the war but lost part of the land.

          Finland wanted war and was not going to negotiate with the USSR at all. And how did she “cleverly” get out of the war, if the USSR got everything it wanted and even a little more? They blew it out.
          1. marshes
            marshes 31 January 2016 21: 11
            0
            Quote: Pomoryanin
            Pomeranian

            The rune is quite interesting, but the Kazakhs used the runes before the Mongol invasion. By the way, even a runic letter, Ukraine, Dneprodzerzhinsk. laughing I also heard close relatives in Galogroup 3. Rod Marzhan is 99% Magyars, those are from Hungary.
            I don’t perceive Indians at all, it turns out that the Great Mongols, my relatives laughing
            But the rune looks like a WOLTSANGEL.
            1. Pomeranian
              1 February 2016 13: 38
              0
              Quote: marshes
              But the rune looks like a WOLTSANGEL.

              It happens that is similar. This is the rune of Evaz, helps travelers on the water.)))
      2. Pomeranian
        31 January 2016 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        It generally surprises me that Mannerheim, knowing the Russian army, allowed me to get into the war in general, the results were generally predictable.

        Mannerheim was categorically against the war. For the war there were talkers from parliament and President Ryti. And Mannerheim is the Minister of Defense, no more, and how could he influence his leadership ??
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 February 2016 00: 38
          0
          but how can the minister influence the decision of the government? To resign demonstratively, to arrange a coup, to intimidate everyone slightly, to arrange exercises in other people's gardens ..... belay
          True - everyone except 1 for Mannerheim was apparently not acceptable, in the end they got what the USSR asked softly and tactfully fellow
          1. Pomeranian
            1 February 2016 13: 34
            0
            Quote: your1970
            but how can the minister influence the decision of the government? To resign demonstratively, to arrange a coup, to intimidate everyone slightly, to arrange exercises in other people's gardens .....

            You said that correctly, but Mannerheim chose to stay on the post, did not want to substitute the army trusting him.
  11. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 31 January 2016 11: 55
    +6
    good sequel to a decent article! thank!
    1. Pomeranian
      31 January 2016 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      good sequel to a decent article! thank!

      Thank you for your support.
  12. Walking
    Walking 31 January 2016 11: 58
    +3
    It is a pity that one of these "supermen" all the same returned home and did not remain forever buried in the Russian land. And outraged by the fact that they are allowed to erect monuments to these creatures.
  13. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 13: 05
    0
    Unlike the Walloons, the Flemings were considered the Germanic people, so they had the right to serve as part of the SS troops without restrictions.
    Many peoples served in the SS without restrictions. The Wehrmacht had an advantage in the draft of the Germans.
    Consequently, the SS had to send its recruiters among the peoples of conquered Europe.
    According to German racial laws, all the nations of Europe that had statehood were considered close to the Germans.
    There were French and Belgian essayists, all kinds of Turkestan, Georgian, Balkan legions, Kaminsky’s brigade - Russian in composition, Cossack SS corps, 15th in my opinion ...
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 31 January 2016 16: 07
      +2
      The Albanians and Croats are also not quite "Aryans", but both served fascism and had national divisions in the SS. For those wishing to learn more on this topic, I invite you to read the book by Heinz Höne "The Black Order of the SS". Everything is clearly written there. Excellent and complete background material ...
    2. Pomeranian
      31 January 2016 20: 41
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Many peoples served in the SS without restrictions. The Wehrmacht had an advantage in the draft of the Germans.

      It seems I was not mistaken about the Ogonyok magazine. For fun, read what it cost the leader of the Walloon nationalists Degrel to get permission to fight in 1941 against the USSR. The Walloons are not a German people. And they began to accept whoever they got into the SS since 1943, when the military machine of the Third Reich began to collapse. Yes, and in the SS volunteers had to serve only 2 years and citizenship after the completion of the contract, and in the Wehrmacht, until they demobilize.
  14. Vega
    Vega 31 January 2016 15: 09
    +3
    Almost any nation or nationality was recruited into the SS and Wehrmacht troops, and criminals serving sentences were also recruited. I came across evidence that both Africans and Arabs fought in Rommel's army.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 January 2016 15: 57
      -3
      Perhaps the Arabs were "hivi" - volunteers. Drivers, builders, servicemen of anti-aircraft rear batteries ...
      Among the legionnaires there were Indians, where they entered organizationally I do not remember.
      In general, the whole of Germany wore some sort of uniform, it is impossible to figure it out.
      All kinds of volunteer air and auto corps, Todt’s organization ...
      All kinds of collaborators could be found there.
      Hitler could not be blacks.
      Basically.
      1. Pomeranian
        31 January 2016 20: 43
        +3
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Hitler could not be blacks.
        Basically.

        - "I was not there? I laugh at your words !!" )))
    2. marshes
      marshes 31 January 2016 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: vega
      I came across evidence that both Africans and Arabs fought in Rommel's army.

      Probably Moroccans, no matter how colonial troops. The Spaniards, Franco. Da and Arabs of the government of Vichy, Tunisia and Algeria.
      1. Pomeranian
        31 January 2016 20: 44
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        Yes, and the Arabs of the government of Vichy, Tunisia and Algeria.

        Quite right, they fought. Hitler had warm relations with the Arabs, but the Arabs could not raise the uprising in Iraq, either from cowardice, or the British worked quickly ahead of schedule. Although the agents of Comrade Canaris there felt good.
  15. marshes
    marshes 31 January 2016 17: 40
    +2
    what a lot to write about the Dutch laughing while Schengen through them to relatives close to go to Deutschland. Damn they like beer says cheaper, and even goes there for groceries laughing , close. This is so if I went to Bishkek and lived in Kordai, Kazakhstan.
    B. Lady, there is such a thing. Mostly from Eastern Europe, another thing is a black woman, exotic ... yours, but for some reason there are few of them. laughing
  16. Kibl
    Kibl 31 January 2016 17: 51
    +9
    So our remnants from the Latvian SS legion still remember with emotion those days when they boldly burned defenseless Belarusian villages!
    1. marshes
      marshes 31 January 2016 18: 01
      +2
      Quote: KIBL
      So our remnants from the Latvian SS legion still remember with emotion those days when they boldly burned defenseless Belarusian villages!

      Okay, the local government considers them to be national heroes. It may be easier to act in their world, more often to conduct peaceful demonstrations, flash mobs. Without focusing on Russia, it is purely stupid to play the "Jewish card." this money needs to be written off ...
  17. estixnumx
    estixnumx 31 January 2016 20: 38
    +3
    I would very much like to read about the Armenian Legion of SS troops, especially about the mountain rifle battalions Kanakertsi and Zeituntsi. With them, one of my grandfathers and his friends fought in the Elbrus region. And also about the Baltic forces of the SS.
    1. marshes
      marshes 31 January 2016 21: 15
      +2
      Quote: esti1979
      I would very much like to read about the Armenian Legion of SS troops, especially about the mountain rifle battalions Kanakertsi and Zeituntsi. With them, one of my grandfathers and his friends fought in the Elbrus region. And also about the Baltic forces of the SS.

      What is an Azerbaijani? laughing
      1. estixnumx
        estixnumx 11 February 2016 17: 41
        0
        no estonian bushman from yerevan wink
    2. Pomeranian
      31 January 2016 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: esti1979
      . And also about the Baltic forces of the SS.

      My grandfather was lucky in Myasnoy Bor, soldiers from the 58 infantry division, and not the Latvian SS men, captured him on a narrow gauge railway.
      1. marshes
        marshes 31 January 2016 21: 31
        0
        Quote: Pomoryanin
        My grandfather was lucky in Myasnoy Bor, soldiers from the 58 infantry division, and not the Latvian SS men, captured him on a narrow gauge railway.

        It was a great shame for the moss of their ancestors. By the way, I didn’t hear who was captured at all from my relatives. My grandfather from 42 in the area of ​​Stalingrad, 44 commissions, he told his father about trains underground laughing , a cousin on A-20 Boston, a shooter flew, then went to the FIN, he went to the service. Damn, at the age of 89, the car crushed.
        1. Pomeranian
          1 February 2016 13: 33
          0
          Quote: marshes
          For moss ancestors this was a great shame

          With all due respect to your heroic ancestors, answer one question:
          if the 81 mm mine three meters behind them would have burst and scuffed with fragments, interrupted the tendons on the leg and tore off the fingers on the hand, would they shoot themselves so as not to be captured? Or would you still get it, and then over the next 60 years, each bath would be pulled out of the body by sugar tongs, half of which were faceted?
          1. 2news
            2news 1 February 2016 16: 02
            -1
            Quote: Pomoryanin
            had they shot themselves so as not to be captured?

            And why do you need to shoot in order not to be captured? Suicidal tendency? This is a psychiatrist.
            1. Pomeranian
              1 February 2016 16: 24
              0
              Quote: 2news
              And why do you need to shoot in order not to be captured? Suicidal tendency? This is a psychiatrist.

              Offer another option so as not to be captured.
              Quote: marshes
              For moss ancestors, this was a great shame.
              Open the portal scroll does not roll ..
              1. 2news
                2news 1 February 2016 17: 20
                -1
                Quote: Pomoryanin
                Offer another option so as not to be captured.

                Why can’t you be captured? Everything happens in war. Surely this is no reason to commit suicide. You cannot imagine more stupidity. The enemy will only say thanks.
                1. Pomeranian
                  1 February 2016 20: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  My grandfather was lucky in Myasnoy Bor, soldiers from the 58 infantry division, and not the Latvian SS men, captured him on a narrow gauge railway.

                  Quote: marshes
                  For moss ancestors this was a great shame

                  Do you understand the essence of the discussion? There is only one choice: captivity or death. And the grandfather didn’t even have such a choice.
                  1. 2news
                    2news 1 February 2016 20: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: Pomoryanin
                    And grandfather didn’t even have such a choice

                    Do you still remember the essence of the discussion? If you do not remember, refresh your memory. I don’t understand, and here is your grandfather.
                    1. Pomeranian
                      1 February 2016 20: 53
                      0
                      Quote: 2news
                      I don’t understand, and here is your grandfather.

                      It was you who interfered in my dialogue with the Swamp. I, as a polite person, answered you, thinking that you support his point of view. But it turns out, see the quote above. We’ll finish on the sim. I have the honor.
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        3. 2news
          2news 1 February 2016 16: 05
          -1
          Quote: marshes
          For moss ancestors, this was a great shame.

          Does everyone have their own oddities?
          Quote: marshes
          By the way, I didn’t hear who was captured from relatives at all.

          And what follows from this? Nothing at all. What is the conversation, dear? Are there no other good reasons to be proud of your relatives anymore?
        4. alexej123
          alexej123 1 February 2016 17: 00
          +2
          Well yes. And, then, do you think my grandfather should spit on the grave? Was captured in August 41, three years in a concentration camp. He fled to Poland in the spring of 45. As part of the 3rd shock army, he stormed Berlin, the medal "For Courage", for the post-war labor the Order "Badge of Honor" I don't want to slip into insults, especially since I don't know you. Life is not black and white. She sometimes gives such zigzags with the fate of people.
          1. Pomeranian
            1 February 2016 20: 43
            +1
            Quote: alexej123
            She sometimes gives such zigzags with the fate of people.

            It seems that children write those posts. Neither life experience, nor anything else, just cliches.
            1. 2news
              2news 1 February 2016 20: 51
              -1
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              It seems that children write those posts. Neither life experience, nor anything else, just cliches.

              This is exactly what I would like to say about you. They took some kind of a stamp for themselves, which is impossible to be taken prisoner, you must shoot yourself. And procrastinate. Why did you get this? Where did this nonsense come from? Suicidal tendencies?
              1. Pomeranian
                1 February 2016 20: 59
                +1
                Quote: 2news
                They took some kind of a stamp for themselves, which is impossible to be taken prisoner, you must shoot yourself. And procrastinate.

                Well, I ate teeth on trolls. Therefore, I explain the last time. Swamp said in my phrase that his ancestors were disgracefully captured. I replied that my grandfather, who was awarded, by the way, for the April-May of 1942, the ZBZ medal and the Red Star, had no choice at all. He couldn’t even shoot himself in order to avoid captivity, as he was seriously wounded and captured by German infantrymen in a narrow gauge railway, through which they tried to take the wounded out of the boiler. What is not clear to you? Want to hide a lack of knowledge? It’s not worth it, and there’s nothing to be shy about: everyone has gone through it.
                1. 2news
                  2news 1 February 2016 21: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Well, I ate teeth on trolls.

                  Learn to lose, Pomorian. And do not stoop at such moments to personal insults. And then the phrase "I have the honor" sounding from such people forces us to ask the question, "and in what position do you have it?"
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  He couldn’t even shoot himself to avoid captivity.

                  Again 38. How many times can I ask you why he should have shot himself? Why couldn’t he surrender? Do you understand Russian? Are you sure about this?
                  1. Pomeranian
                    1 February 2016 21: 41
                    0
                    Quote: 2news
                    Again 38. How many times can I ask you why he should have shot himself? Why couldn’t he surrender? Do you understand Russian? Are you sure about this?

                    It is difficult to communicate with a person who hears only himself. For the third time I explain: I wrote to Bolot that my grandfather was taken prisoner. Swamp wrote, "It was a great shame for the ancestral moss." I wrote that it happens that you can't even shoot yourself in order to avoid shame. Then you interjected, the result is here. And I'll tell you about the honor. "Pinjaks" are not given to understand this. I have the honor.
                    1. 2news
                      2news 1 February 2016 21: 55
                      -3
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      "Pinjaks" are not given to understand this.

                      Do not make me laugh. I have not played games about "blue princes" for a long time. And I well know the price of pompous peacocks. Less "show off", there will be more sense.
                      And somehow educate yourself. And then you "float" on almost all issues. Out of the entire stream of information, we have learned only one stupid postulate for ourselves, "you have to shoot yourself in order not to be captured." It would be better if they learned some children's rhyme, it would be more useful.
                      1. Pomeranian
                        1 February 2016 22: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: 2news
                        And somehow self-educate.

                        Thanks for the advice. I'll go to school tomorrow. And I advise you, because you read, but do not understand the meaning. How can you talk about commanding the same platoon if you haven't served in the army ?? What is unclear here and where is the "pontovanie" (what kind of jargon is PTUshny?)? Admit it, you are a layman who has picked up the tops and imagines himself a guru. That's it, and let's finish on this. Don't bother to write the answer.
                      2. 2news
                        2news 1 February 2016 22: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: Pomoryanin
                        How can you talk about commanding the same platoon if you weren’t serving in the army ??

                        Who told you that? Did Grandma Wang dang?
                        Quote: Pomoryanin
                        Confess, you are a layman, clutching the tops and imagining himself a guru.

                        Oh my God! He saw through me! What to do, Gleb, what to do? It remains only to shoot himself so as not to be captured. As the great Pomeranian bequeathed. But, no, it won’t work out. My psyche is fine and there are no suicidal tendencies.
                  2. alexej123
                    alexej123 2 February 2016 10: 29
                    +2
                    Why fuss. Yes, explain to them that you just adhere to the fact that captivity is not a shame, that's all.
                    1. Pomeranian
                      2 February 2016 11: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: alexej123
                      Yes, explain to them that you just adhere to the fact that captivity is not a shame, that's all.

                      I tried, but somehow it doesn’t work out. )))
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          3. alexej123
            alexej123 2 February 2016 10: 34
            +1
            So I don’t understand, did you write me or Swamp? If to me - how do you know my life experience? Take an interest first, before giving out your assessment.
            1. Pomeranian
              2 February 2016 11: 03
              +2
              Quote: alexej123
              So I don’t understand, did you write me or Swamp?

              I wrote to you about nonsense-writing children and that’s it. )) My somewhere hot opponent was gone. Deserted, probably. Or mom doesn’t let her computer.
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 2 February 2016 12: 05
                0
                Sorry if something rude. And the article is definitely a plus. I already once commented that we know a lot about the battle for Moscow, Stalingrad and other battles of the Second World War. But there is little about war in the north. Although your article is not quite about this, it reveals a lot to me. Thanks. Are you from the North? I think by nick.
                1. Pomeranian
                  2 February 2016 13: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: alexej123
                  Thank. Are you from the North? I think by nick.

                  Thank you for your kind words. Yes, from the North. )) For me, too, a mystery: why did the Germans go back to the Kola Peninsula? It was enough to cut it off through Verman with access to Kandalaksha, and that’s it. Well, they could well disrupt the sea supply in 1941.
                  By the way, the couch marshal "that news" has disappeared somewhere. Texts are not displayed.
  • iouris
    iouris 31 January 2016 21: 41
    +3
    Quote: midshipman
    All this was lost due to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

    These two surnames have not been relevant for a long time. But the situation has not changed much, to see in the field of education and mass culture we are still under external control. Livanov responded to criticism from qualified State Duma deputies very clearly and showed that the legislative authority did not give him a decree.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 31 January 2016 22: 11
    +6
    If you look closely, it turns out that the USSR fought in the Second World War against all of Europe. They hated us then, they hate us now and still cannot forgive the defeat in that war. Some people think that Europe should thank Russia for saving from Hitler, but who said that they want to thank us for this? Who said that it was bad for Europe to live under Hitler? On the contrary, at that time almost everyone in Europe considered Hitler a "messiah" who would bring unity, peace and prosperity to the whole of Europe, as well as protection from the communist threat. so that there is nothing to be surprised that the monuments to the Soviet wars in Europe are being destroyed now, and SS niggards and brown thugs are marching into the streets.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 31 January 2016 22: 45
    +3
    Thanks to the author for such a big important article. I used to represent the invaders as a single mass. And they are all different. I’ll re-read it more than once.

    Quote: Maksud
    Dedicated to all uninvited "guests". M. Svetlov.


    I read the first part for a very long time and repeatedly. I read all the comments more than once. T.K. looked at it from a new perspective. I wrote M. Svetlov’s poems, I learned them at school, time passed, returned again and then came here --- and here are the same poems.
  • Rubon
    Rubon 1 February 2016 01: 17
    +2
    Schwarzenegger's dad, an Austrian fought near Leningrad, Arnold himself said this.
  • 357PDP
    357PDP 1 February 2016 06: 26
    +1
    the Dutch are also proud that they defeated the Germans?
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 February 2016 09: 45
    +2
    I read it again. Now it’s clear why their descendants are killing, torturing, carving beautiful animals in front of children! And it’s understandable why these viewers are looking at IT. They are their descendants !!!
    About the lie about the Russian soldiers! Now dark-skinned people from other countries rape everyone’s houses in their row! They thought that slaves and free organs would come to them. And they came --- aggressors !!!
  • nivander
    nivander 1 February 2016 11: 14
    0
    overall not bad, but what kind of mythical 20 Infantry Division? Yes, the 28th Air Field Division in the Wehrmacht never existed.
    1. Pomeranian
      1 February 2016 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: nivasander
      but what kind of mythical 20 Infantry Division? Yes 28 Air Field Division in the Wehrmacht never existed

      Thank you for your comment. Not mythical.
      20-I Infantry Division - Wehrmacht combat formation. The division was created 1 October 1934 year in the city of Hamburg under the name Reichswehrdienststelle Hamburg. In the fall of 1937, it was motorized and renamed the 20 Infantry Motorized Division, fought in the Army Group North in 1942 on the Volkhov Front, the emblem is a stylized yellow anchor. And according to 28 I agree with you, but in the import source, the author probably meant light infantry, not airfield, but the translator translated it, as I understood. I will consider the comments. However, this article does not pretend to be a reference.
  • Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 1 February 2016 14: 57
    +2
    The figure of 27 million lost in the Second World War is not confirmed by anything, except for the fantasies of Khrushchev-Yeltsin! 9,5 million troops and militias - killed, died from wounds, missing. Which is absolutely identical to the losses of the axis countries on the eastern front. 7,5 million civilians! This figure also includes 3.5 million prisoners of war who died in captivity! And also the Vlasovites and Banderaites and other rubbish, who fought on the side of the Nazis! If the USSR did the same with prisoners of war and the civilian population. Europe then the loss of Germany and the satellites were the same! And there is nothing to repeat the enemy propaganda a la Echo matzah and take into account the demographic decline in the population!
    This does not detract from the slightest drop as a feat of the entire Soviet people both during the war and before, while creating a powerful modern industry, which not only helped to win the war, but still serves (though to our bourgeois already)!
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  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 February 2016 20: 25
    +3
    Despite such an invasion, despite all the hardships, the Leningraders survived and won! This is my poem about my beloved city --- Leningrad, about its inhabitants --- Leningraders.
    TO THE PROTECTORS OF LENINGRAD

    We don’t know much today
    How they lived, suffered before us,
    How people created from scratch
    Victory of the Workers Mass.

    But earlier, today and forever
    We remember how the city stood
    Standing in spite of the bombing
    To starvation, to death --- survived!

    And survived! And theaters are safe,
    Museums, factories, houses',
    And monuments, and train stations,
    And Go'rod's glory --- alive !!!

    Lives and the beast in the zoo,
    And Russian children’s gene pool,
    Grain in the Botanical Garden
    Through grief and years --- lives !!!

    Thank you all, Leningraders!
    Thank you, Soviet people!
    And weddings will be played here,
    Through the feat that lives forever !!!
    1. Pomeranian
      1 February 2016 20: 49
      0
      Quote: Reptiloid
      TO THE PROTECTORS OF LENINGRAD

      These are wonderful verses. Thank you.
  • Stilet
    Stilet 1 February 2016 23: 41
    +2
    Reading the comments of some people, I don’t understand how it is possible to prove something with foam at the mouth .... nude about who the Germans drove into the war, and then compare them with those who went with them voluntarily. They are all animals. There should not be their graves on our land, because by allowing them to be erected monuments, we desecrate the memory of millions of dead Soviet people (children, women, old people and their defenders), who often do not have their own graves. The Finns slaughtered the population. The Hungarians, the devoted allies of the Nazis, drowned children and their mothers under the ice. Romanians were raped and burned. The Italians Marauders. The article is interesting, because little is written about it, tolerance must be observed!
    From myself: At my grandmother, on the edge of the garden, the Germans were buried in a funnel, so in that place we had a dunghill and a compost pile. Lay down quietly, the Teutonic conquerors! Nobody called you here, but come, lie down, the place is for you. I don’t even want to dig it out, they disappeared, and there are none in the world.
  • ava09
    ava09 2 February 2016 02: 43
    -1
    Quote: Pomoryanin
    I indicate. All of the soldiers and armies you listed have fought for the freedom and independence of YOUR Homeland. And they did not go to kill people, conquering a foreign country.


    You are an ignoramus, tovarisch. If some occupier thinks that he is fighting "for the freedom and independence of his Motherland," it just means that it is more convenient for him to kill and plunder, and the one who sincerely believes in this is just a sucker. This is how it is, homespun truth ... You should study in a RUSSIAN school, otherwise I look at you instead of a brain with jelly from stem cells. Do not blurt out this in front of veterans and their educated granddaughters - it can end badly ...
    1. Pomeranian
      2 February 2016 09: 18
      0
      Quote: ava09
      You would have to learn at the RUSSIAN school, otherwise I’m looking at you instead of the brain for kissel stem cells. Do not blurt out this with veterans and their granddaughters educated - it can end badly ...

      You should even learn at school. And in general to learn. At least read the entire thread of the discussion, and not get stuck in the middle and blur it is not clear what. It was about the soldiers of Charles de Gaulle, Ludwig of Liberty and General Anders.
      Quote: ava09
      If some occupier believes that he is fighting "for the freedom and independence of his Motherland"

      What did they occupy?

      Quote: ava09
      You are ignorant, comrade.

      I attribute this attack to your account.
  • ava09
    ava09 2 February 2016 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: midshipman
    Russians, take care of your country from legionnaires and liberals. I have the honor.


    I would add "And from those who changed Russians into" Russians ".
  • palm
    palm 2 February 2016 16: 11
    +1
    What kind of freedom and civilization these "envoys of Europe" brought to Russia, revealed in his order of May 2, 1941, the commander of the 4th Panzer Group, Erich Göpner, in connection with the upcoming military operations in the East: "... The war against Russia is an important part of the struggle for the existence of the German people. This long-standing struggle of the Germans against the Slavs, the protection of European culture from the Moscow-Asian invasion, a rebuff to Bolshevism. This fight should be aimed at ruining today's Russia, and therefore it must be waged with unprecedented cruelty ... ”

    Gepner in the order rephrases the idea of ​​Comrade Schiklgruber about the fate of nations professing communism.

    I lived for quite a long time in those places where the volunteer Spanish Blue Division fought ... Pushkin Pavlovsk Kolpino Izhora was interested ... I can not agree with the author on everything.
  • Russia
    Russia 2 February 2016 20: 06
    0
    The slogans “Crusade against communism” and “Joint defense of Europe from Bolshevism” began to be actively promoted in the local press.

    But Communism did not teach anything bad! He just opened his eyes to the robbery by capital. The "crusade against communism" became a kind of "cover" for aggression against the USSR, as earlier "assistance to the White movement" from the Entente and later - in the 90s "assistance of the civilized world" for the "development of progress" in Russia.
  • Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 15 February 2016 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Pomoryanin

    3. Poland met the war having allied two leading powers in Europe, so what?
    4. The USSR did not want to fight. It was a peace-loving country, sometimes to cowardice. The rearmament of the army should have ended in 1942.

    Firstly, two neighboring superpowers militarily fought against Poland - Reich and the USSR, allied brothers in arms at that time !!!

    And secondly - well, ka, tell me, what kind of country has spent more local wars than the USSR in 20-30 13 years, huh? Is that the Japanese Empire, and even then it is unlikely. By the degree of aggressiveness of the USSR at that time unfortunately gives odds to almost any country in the world. Hence the absolute militarization of the economy.

    Quote: midshipman
    more than 69 thousand Czechs, more than 150 thousand Austrians

    Well, in fact, these are not legionnaires. These are full-fledged citizens of the Reich from the age of 36 and 38, respectively, who were taken by molybialization and were taken prisoner as part of not SS units but ordinary Wehrmacht units, so they actually have little fault, and even in 1945-48 the Allies understood this perfectly and clearly divided during the denazification of persons "by conviction" and "persons for forced mobilization."
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 4 March 2016 22: 52
      0
      Firstly, you can compare the dates of entry of Polish German and Soviet troops. Suddenly, it turns out that the Polish army was actually completely defeated by September 17, when the USSR only entered the borders of the territories taken by Poland from Russia in the 1920s.

      Secondly, the USSR and Germany were not brothers in arms. There was a partition agreement. No one conducted joint hostilities. And certainly Hitler and Stalin were never "allies". Choose expressions and terms that reflect the truth, and not your anti-Soviet fantasies. What is "ally" and "brother in arms" you read in Google.

      Thirdly, both the Finnish and Polish wars in the 1920s did not start with the Bolsheviks, no matter how you want to lie to us all about the "aggressiveness" of the USSR. It's funny to watch an anti-Soviet condemning the USSR, while tactfully forgetting about the same Western intervention in the territories of the Russian Empire. You can read about the reasons for the second Finnish 1939 and the battle on Halkin Gol in popular literature. There, about the reasons, everything is fairly well explained. They did not start fighting from the bay.

      Fourth, the absolute militarization of the USSR economy is a consequence of the intervention of 1918-1922 and the "friendly" capitalist encirclement. Moreover, back in 1929, the "uneducated" Bolsheviks clearly predicted the coming to power of outspoken fascists in Europe. This is how it happened in Germany. You can read what Hitler wanted to do with the Russians in his 1925 book "My Struggle". Hence the seven-league acceleration of industrialization and militarization, starting in 1933.