Military Review

Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable

156
The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, called Moscow’s unacceptable demands to implement the Minsk agreements, reports Look with reference to the Kiev edition of the Day.


Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable


“They will now play endlessly on the topic of special status and how it should be fixed. And the problem is not that a special status should be for three years or more, but they want to write down some things in the Constitution. And I consider this fundamentally unacceptable from the point of view of the entire logic of the process. And, of course, that they will play this theme. Donbass is not interested in them, but they are interested in shaking up the situation in the country. And they will continue to try to do it. This is the logic of their position, which, unfortunately, has not changed ”,
said the minister.

Earlier, the representative of the Russian Federation, Boris Gryzlov, said in Minsk that “voting on the Constitution of Ukraine should be firmly tied to the simultaneous adoption of amendments to the articles 1 and 10 of the law on special status (Donbass) in order to give the special status a permanent basis on the Steinmeier formula”.

German Foreign Minister Steinmeier proposed to adopt a special law on elections in the Donbass, which would consolidate the special status of the region according to the formula: “on election day in Donbass, on a temporary basis, and since the publication of the OSCE report on the results of elections, on a permanent basis”.

However, this formula is possible only “if there is a constitutional basis in the form of an amendment to the Constitution of Ukraine, which, according to paragraph 11 of the Minsk agreements, the permanent nature of the special status of Donbass”, was noted at the negotiations in Minsk.

For reference. The 11 article of the Minsk agreements states: “Conducting a constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of the new constitution, which assumes decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, agreed with representatives of these regions), and the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of individual districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions ... until the end of 2015 of the year ”.
Photos used:
REUTERS
156 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 January 2016 13: 02
    45
    Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable
    YES you .......! At the time of the signing. And how did you like it? It's geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 13: 04
      92
      Quote: Observer2014
      YES you .......! At the time of signing. And how do you like?

      When Poroshenko signed the second "Minsk", he clearly believed that all this was for fun: "We will pull the time, and then Russia itself will retreat under the pressure of Western sanctions." It did not work out, now he himself is being poked into these agreements. And every time it hurts more. Look, next Monday, Merkel calls Petrukha on the carpet, and obviously not to give money. Although, a mangy dog, it will stopudovo from Frau-Chancellor to beg for the money, so that at least with some "change" he will return smile
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 January 2016 13: 15
        56
        Ukrainians in their repertoire ... "you never know what we signed, but it is not profitable for us" ... Country of not frightened go ... otov.
        1. Chisxnumxdiman
          Chisxnumxdiman 30 January 2016 13: 26
          13
          It’s time to scare them, otherwise fear is completely lost.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 30 January 2016 13: 48
            +5
            They are already trembling with fear, they repent, sensing, knowing the truth (in which - STRENGTH, Brother)!
            Steinmeier proposed the adoption of a special law on elections in the Donbass, which would fix the special status of the region according to the formula: "on the day of elections in Donbass - on a temporary basis, and from the moment of publication of the OSCE report on the election results - on a permanent basis."
            Those. Already prepared at the level of the OSCE to admit a bunch of election violation and, therefore, illegitimacy!
            Again - gal.DEZH will be: "At gunpoint; Carousels; fake newsletters; ...

            PS: Steinmeier - THE FIGHT !!!
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 30 January 2016 14: 27
            24
            Klimkin needs to be thrown into our village Zaitsevo
            1. avt
              avt 30 January 2016 16: 49
              +8
              Quote: Sith Lord
              Klimkin needs to be thrown into our village Zaitsevo

              ,, The wire was bitten without fear:
              The night is dark, and not see a single zgi.
              Twenty steps away strangers helmets
              For the same purpose - to protect the brain.

              Who is with me? Who to go with?
              So, Borisov ... So, Leonov ...
              Oh! .. also this type
              From the second battalion.

              Coming soon "Nadia with chocolate" -
              At six they will crush us with fire, -
              Well, we need this -
              With God, let's start quietly! "
              The VSUKs do not leave them alone, but they don’t get bored with the adult. Taking into account the ass they are driving the economy into, they will be ONE entry. And the longer they delay, the worse the payback for this last leap, but ALL of Ukraine will be.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 30 January 2016 20: 16
                +8
                cniza
                Ukrainians in their repertoire ... "you never know what we signed, but it is not profitable for us" ... Country of not frightened go ... otov.

                Chisxnumxdiman
                It’s time to scare them, otherwise fear is completely lost.

                No, they have fear - only it lies elsewhere.
                If there is no war in the east of Ukraine, then Petrukha and his Co. will have nothing to justify before the people for the collapse of everything and everything in the economy and politics of "independent" Ukraine. Petruha and his Co. went to the continuation of the war, like drug addicts on drugs. There is no war - and immediately they begin a painful withdrawal with a feeling for their self-preservation of a lethal outcome.
                The absence of war reveals and reveals their complete failure to be in power.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 30 January 2016 21: 35
                  +1
                  Tatyana
                  The absence of war reveals and reveals their complete failure to be in power.

                  By the way, this is also understood in Washington. But Ukraine is a US colony, in the colonial administration of which there are CIA agents. “Independent” Ukraine is controlled precisely by Washington, which must pretend that Ukraine supposedly rules itself. Waltzman is simply working for Washington for a fool and is quite capable of dealing with his corrupt work of “independent” Ukraine. Therefore, they give him loans, and the IMF changes laws for bankrupt Ukraine, etc., etc.
                  Of course, Washington will one day be forced to change its pseudo-Ukrainian cadres for the Ukrainian public - to remove the most odious political figures in the people's voices - for example, to remove Yatsenyuk so that people really do not grab the Ukrainian government for eggs.
                  And so, that's why in Ukraine, according to the "Minsk negotiations" on the part of the colonial pro-American so-called. "Ukrainian" authorities will continue to happen - exactly as it is happening now.
                  1. avt
                    avt 30 January 2016 21: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    . Therefore, they give him loans, and the IMF changes laws for bankrupt Ukraine, etc., etc. d

                    So that's just the point - do not give! Even those promised in 2015 were postponed for this year to .... he knows what month! And they ALREADY in Kiev are buggy with a new 10yard loan! wassat Hike in the West thought hard to CLOSE the project Ukraine. If in the near future the next payment of interest on debts is not given - that's it. Ass and war of all against all. Hence the runs from Kharkov about "Slobozhanshchina", as about a peremog of the regional scale - not to give Kiev 3 yards of hryvnia. Benya made his move in a small-town game with his vassal - Hepa on Poros. bickering for local grandmothers of course I don't give a damn, but the rest of the population of Ukraine ...
                    1. Baikal
                      Baikal 30 January 2016 23: 40
                      +1
                      Dear editors of VO, While we are discussing here what radishes all of them are - we look who is advertised on the site lol
                      Region - Crimea.

                      1. Dolphin
                        Dolphin 31 January 2016 10: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Baikal
                        Dear editors of VO, While we are discussing here what radishes all of them are - we look who is advertised on the site lol
                        Region - Crimea.

                        Why so surprised? After all, the Ukrainian IP address is not a flag.
            2. kryuger.mark
              kryuger.mark 30 January 2016 22: 27
              0
              The liberal press of the Russian Federation writes that the Sparta company is at war with the DPR Armed Forces in Zaitsevo. Fake?
          3. The stranger
            The stranger 31 January 2016 06: 06
            +1
            Not even necessary. You have not seen this, and God forbid you will never see, but they still do not understand who they contacted. They will understand - they will beg to their knees so that at least crowds of Russian criminals and the whole scum scum attacked them, but it's too late.
            The fact is that Brussels is not just a stupid car that does not satisfy the Turing criterion, or a crazy blind steam locomotive there. This is a form of insanity, built on poisonousness. There is a "document" - you have to execute it. Let there be obvious typos, or universal stupidity. It is necessary, and that's all. Even to the detriment of yourself, everyone, and against Nature. Once the dill has been signed, the Brussels madmen will not jump off their throats. Even after the death of Ukraine and Brussels itself.
            Here Lavrov, for example, knows their habits, and therefore never bathe. Obviously do not deal with this issue at all. He did his job by giving each other two pit bulls eggs, made sure that they saw and clung to him, and went on to do important things. And they will spoil each other’s blood, don’t hesitate.
          4. Dolphin
            Dolphin 31 January 2016 10: 04
            -1
            Quote: Chis2009diman
            It’s time to scare them, otherwise fear is completely lost.
      2. bort4145
        bort4145 30 January 2016 13: 19
        34
        in his repertoire
        Oh, this job is not easy to drag a hippopotamus from a swamp.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 January 2016 14: 18
        12
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        When Poroshenko signed the second "Minsk", he clearly believed that all this was for fun: "We will pull the time, and then Russia itself will retreat under the pressure of Western sanctions." It did not work out, now he himself is being poked into these agreements. And every time it hurts more. Look, next Monday, Merkel calls Petrukha on the carpet, and obviously not to give money.

        And, ЧСХ, skakly and their owners think that we need all these Minsky more than they do. That we should do something there. That they are blah blah blah and everything will be forgotten ..

        Yes, of course, maybe Germany needs Minsky more than even Ukraine itself. In order, for example, not to send troops at the command "Fas"! "From America also to Ukraine. So that there is a squabble, for which, again on command, to impose some sanctions ...

        US THAT all this why? Keep relations with Ukraine - so their next 40-50 years will not be until Bandera dies out, and the remaining ones on the pillars are not outweighed. Save Transiter - Yes, I used saliva on that "Gazprom" and on the profits of its "top managers" too. Sobyanin said that in Moscow, work permits for guest workers brought in more money than oil workers paid taxes. We know how the oligarchs know how to pay taxes ... Economic and cultural ties are all severed by horses. So why do we need Minsky and Ukraine? The border on the castle would be closed but better guarded ...
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 30 January 2016 17: 11
          -3
          In the same way, Gazprom spits on all of us .. He is where the loot is, and he crap on the interests of the state - just spit ..
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          When Poroshenko signed the second "Minsk", he clearly believed that all this was for fun: "We will pull the time, and then Russia itself will retreat under the pressure of Western sanctions." It did not work out, now he himself is being poked into these agreements. And every time it hurts more. Look, next Monday, Merkel calls Petrukha on the carpet, and obviously not to give money.

          And, ЧСХ, skakly and their owners think that we need all these Minsky more than they do. That we should do something there. That they are blah blah blah and everything will be forgotten ..

          Yes, of course, maybe Germany needs Minsky more than even Ukraine itself. In order, for example, not to send troops at the command "Fas"! "From America also to Ukraine. So that there is a squabble, for which, again on command, to impose some sanctions ...

          US THAT all this why? Keep relations with Ukraine - so their next 40-50 years will not be until Bandera dies out, and the remaining ones on the pillars are not outweighed. Save Transiter - Yes, I used saliva on that "Gazprom" and on the profits of its "top managers" too. Sobyanin said that in Moscow, work permits for guest workers brought in more money than oil workers paid taxes. We know how the oligarchs know how to pay taxes ... Economic and cultural ties are all severed by horses. So why do we need Minsky and Ukraine? The border on the castle would be closed but better guarded ...
      4. captain
        captain 30 January 2016 14: 21
        16
        Our leadership (the leadership of Russia) made a strategic mistake by stopping the offensive in 2014 on Mariupol. There was no need to take the city by storm, it was enough to go to Mariupol and I think the "Ukraine" project would be closed. No one has announced sanctions to our country. And Klimkin would make statements from the city to "Paris".
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 30 January 2016 22: 08
          +1
          Quote: captain
          from the city "Paris".

          The history of the subjunctive mood does not know! If only, if yes. Take into account only what is happening in LDNR, and what will happen there tomorrow!
        2. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 31 January 2016 09: 37
          0
          Our screwed up specifically, recognizing the junta as legitimate! It was a big strategic mistake! Let everything go on as usual, but without recognizing their legitimate authority! Now it would be much easier, and our position would become more consistent and reinforced concrete.
        3. andrewkor
          andrewkor 31 January 2016 15: 43
          0
          Totally agree with you! Even without any military education, only on everyday concepts, from that very fall of 2014 I have been talking about this!
      5. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 30 January 2016 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        When Poroshenko signed the second "Minsk", he clearly believed that all this was for fun: "We will pull the time, and then Russia itself will retreat under the pressure of Western sanctions." It did not work out, now he himself is being poked into these agreements

        The Minsk agreements are a plan for "reconciliation" between Banderostan and Donbass (which Kiev does not want to carry out in any way), as well as an instrument of pressure on the "guarantors" of the signatory parties.
        SGA with Europa "pedal" to Russia. Russia is sending a new "negotiator", after having talked with whom, the former nEzalEzhnoy quickly withdrew.
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 31 January 2016 15: 48
          0
          These bln "guarantors" the day after the signing of the "Opposition-Yanukovych" treaty handed over the latter with all the guts. Miraculously survived. They have no faith whatsoever. Like Hitler: "What is a treaty, just a piece of paper."
      6. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 30 January 2016 14: 29
        12
        I see that for Poroshenko and his company the text of "Minsk-2" is just a revelation. These guys only remembered Obama's phrase that Russia must comply with these agreements.
        But the trick is that there is nothing about Russia there. And Russia owes nothing to anyone.
        By the way, Germany and France can be accused of non-compliance with these agreements with the same success.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 30 January 2016 14: 53
          +4
          Quote: Reserve officer
          I see that for Poroshenko and his company the text of "Minsk-2" is just a revelation.

          For Poroshenko and his company, this is not a text, but a test for the value of their IQ, which they successfully failed. And pride does not allow to admit it, so they put forward various unacceptable requirements.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 30 January 2016 15: 34
          +2
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Germany and France could just as well be accused of non-compliance with these agreements.

          The trick is that no one will blame them. What was there guaranteed to Yanyku in 2014 and who? But in the end, Russia is to blame for everything. Now the meeting is multilateral, and Russia is again to blame.
        3. tol100v
          tol100v 30 January 2016 22: 17
          +3
          Quote: Reserve officer
          But the trick is that there is nothing about Russia there. And Russia owes nothing to anyone.

          THIS is not a trick, but a powerful diplomatic work, in compliance with all legal subtleties! This is aerobatics in the preparation of very short, BUT, and from this even more important international documents! Here it will be in place: Brevity is the sister of talent! And in Our Foreign Ministry, fortunately, the Talents have not been transferred!
      7. kamikaze
        kamikaze 30 January 2016 14: 31
        +2
        oh my God, where did you get such morons like Klimks? Downs allowed into the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 30 January 2016 17: 17
          +2
          They’re recruiting by competition ... They’re laying down a map of Russia and ... who of the applicants for it will spoil more than that and take it .. But seriously, the one whom they will indicate in Washington
          Quote: kamikaze
          oh my God, where did you get such morons like Klimks? Downs allowed into the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine.
      8. APASUS
        APASUS 30 January 2016 15: 43
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        When Poroshenko signed the second Minsk, he clearly believed that all this was for fun: “We’ll pull time, and then Russia will retreat itself under the pressure of Western sanctions

        And it seems to me that everything was signed without reading. It was just a decree from the chef and a la for the signature, the chef promised to make everyone happy. And I'm so smart that I’ll squeeze the people, nadira chef and Russians.
        According to this principle, an agreement with the EU was signed, and when it entered into force ............ it turned out a lot of things there are unknown.
      9. valokordin
        valokordin 30 January 2016 15: 49
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Observer2014
        YES you .......! At the time of signing. And how do you like?

        When Poroshenko signed the second "Minsk", he clearly believed that all this was for fun: "We will pull the time, and then Russia itself will retreat under the pressure of Western sanctions." It did not work out, now he himself is being poked into these agreements. And every time it hurts more. Look, next Monday, Merkel calls Petrukha on the carpet, and obviously not to give money. Although, a mangy dog, it will stopudovo from Frau-Chancellor to beg for the money, so that at least with some "change" he will return smile

        I think differently, Poroshenko invited the Komsomol member Merkel to gently lick her hand or something else of her choice, but money? Maybe he's Alphonse Ain Gross.
      10. Maxom75
        Maxom75 30 January 2016 16: 28
        0
        I don’t think that it was finished. rather, Poroshenko most likely wanted to play around with Amer’s patterns, here we sign, and then rearrange the drinks and do everything in our own way. The problem turned out to be that our Foreign Ministry and V.V. Putin had already learned these lessons and were able to play such games themselves, which put Poroshenko in the position of parsley on a fair booth.
      11. The comment was deleted.
      12. VP
        VP 31 January 2016 11: 49
        0
        Then they declared the M-2 a great help.
        In Russia, the M-2 gentlemen of Girkina declared putinsil.
        Time has put everything in its place.
        It turned out that this is a complete pitchfork for races.
        And giving up is fraught with a complete loss of support for Europe, and scary to implement.
        Selyuki, who were trying to beat the professionals politically, discovered "suddenly" anger.
        And the zrada is that, it turns out, you need to accomplish what you signed up for. Moreover, it was necessary to carry out for a long time and the Europeans, for some reason, do not want to forget about it.
        Everything else, they’re just tired of everything with their bumps, whims, begging, tantrums, theft, scandals and inability to comply with at least some obligations.
    2. The black
      The black 30 January 2016 13: 06
      25
      Klimkin looks like a snivel or six from the zone, for stealing from a stall, but not the Minister of Foreign Affairs, even such a flawed government as he is. laughing ... that’s interesting, will come to Kursk to die homeland?
      1. Dolphin
        Dolphin 31 January 2016 10: 19
        -4
        Quote: Black
        Klimkin looks like a snivel

        And what does it look like?
        1. morituri
          morituri 31 January 2016 12: 48
          +1
          and what do you think is idiotic ??? An unfamiliar word "Ukrainization" ??
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 30 January 2016 13: 07
      80
      Ah Ukraine, when all the same will rise all those who remember it all? I do not believe that you can brainwash this way, but after all, everything is obvious how you were deceived!
      Wake up and remember ..
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 13: 27
        44
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I do not believe that you can brainwash this way, but after all, everything is obvious how you were deceived! Wake up and remember ..

        At the beginning of World War II, Soviet people also expected that the German proletariat would wake up and rebel against the Hitler clique. As subsequent events showed, they hoped in vain. The Germans had their brains thoroughly washed.
        Do not expect Ukrainians to "wake up and remember", let alone admit to themselves that they were deceived - it is not their mentality to make such admissions. A quarter of a century of propaganda for "Ukrainians", this purely Russophobic project, have done their dirty work.
        Just do not accuse me of "hatred of the Ukrainian people", as some members of the forum allow themselves. I only hate the Galician-Bandera Selyukov ideology, which has now dominated the unfortunate Ukraine. And I soberly assess the dangers to Russia posed by Nazism coming out.
        So, here you can’t help with fleeting pictures and memories of a happy childhood, dear MIKHAN.
        1. olegfbi
          olegfbi 30 January 2016 13: 41
          +7
          Needed, VERY, denazification of dill !!!
          My heart feels, it will be so! And whoever of the very polite people, or maybe just the most ordinary ordinary, most ordinary infantry of the RF Armed Forces, will kick the representatives of the Bandera authorities towards the nearest field commandant's office !!!
        2. zanoza
          zanoza 30 January 2016 13: 46
          +7
          You just look what do the children and grandchildren of those who remember the above listed MIKHAN do in Ukraine. This is Ivana (Ivanka), not remembering kinship. Thugs and the beast. Chain dogs of the current government, destroyers and infinite.
          Not so simple.
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 January 2016 14: 08
            +6
            Quote: zanoza
            Not so simple. [/ B]


            Unfortunately, you are right - young growth is ideological scumbags and enemies.
        3. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 30 January 2016 13: 50
          +5
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          At the beginning of World War II, Soviet people also expected that the German proletariat would wake up and rebel against the Hitler clique. As subsequent events showed, they hoped in vain. The Germans had their brains thoroughly washed.

          "Are you a worker or peasant comrade ..?" And in response, automatic bursts ...
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          So, here you can’t help with fleeting pictures and memories of a happy childhood, dear MIKHAN.

          Of course, I agree, everything is started .. But still, somewhere deep in the soul, someone still crashes .. (at least one of 1000 ..) They read all the same ... hi
        4. alex74nur
          alex74nur 30 January 2016 13: 51
          +5
          I agree with you. Probably a new 1945 will be needed to turn ukrov back into people, as it was in Germany after the Second World War.
        5. gg.na
          gg.na 30 January 2016 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Just do not accuse me of "hatred of the Ukrainian people", as some members of the forum allow themselves.

          You just noticed it here oh-oh-oh-oh-sooooo! Straight not in the eyebrow but in the eye! You can’t just say a word of truth about the Bandera people that rose up in the Ohruine! Immediately, they either start to "obtukat" or ban you in response. Well, okay, there are also ban rules for violations of bans, and that's okay. But in response, they begin to "curse" .... belay
        6. avva2012
          avva2012 30 January 2016 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peupleDo not expect Ukrainians to "wake up and remember"

          So, here you can’t help here with fleeting pictures and memories of a happy childhood

          Ukrainians consider themselves a nation. Everything. They will never return to the Russian world. It is possible to return those who still do not consider themselves Ukrainians. There is no need to hate the "Galician-Bandera Selyukov ideology", because this is the ideology of Ukrainians now. And, if you hate, then everyone.
          In my opinion, there are Russian people left in the neighboring country, and they must be saved. To save Ukrainians from degradation. To return the concept of ours and not ours. And forget that the nationality "Ukrainian" is a brother. No're coming out-Nazism, there is a new nation "Ukrainets". Everything.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 15: 20
            +7
            Quote: avva2012
            And forget that the nationality "Ukrainian" is a brother. No're coming out-Nazism, there is a new nation "Ukrainets".

            Evona as .. "New nation" ... Is it okay that the existence of this quasi-nation is based solely on opposing the Russian ethnos and Russia? Russia will disappear (God forbid) and the whole meaning of Ukrainians will evaporate after it. Therefore, it is ridiculous to watch how the Svidomites, with both hands, enthusiastically rant at the disintegration of "the hated Mordor." Who will need them if the global goal of the collective West is achieved? By the way, this applies to the Balts no less.
            We do not need such a "nation" in the neighborhood - this is not a Baltic trifle. So you have to uproot. Through de-Ukrainianization and denazification. Yes, such that the inhabitants of the new Ukraine (or Little Russia), without talking, beat in the face for the zhovto-blakitny ensign and for the performance of "Shchenevmerly", the champions of the "national idea". Least.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 30 January 2016 15: 52
              0
              Quote: Ami du peuple We do not need such a "nation" in the neighborhood - this is not a Baltic trifle. So you have to uproot.

              The fact that the nation has organized, with the help of someone or without, it does not matter. The very fact is already there. The Ukrainians, who hate everything Russian, is an attempt by the West to make "new Russians", to replace us with them. BUT, this is a nation. Whether we like it or not. Yes, artificial, yes, if we lose, then the descendants will perceive Russians according to them. And, it’s really scary. Imagine what, we laugh, this squalor, in three hundred years, will be considered the norm, that is, "Russian". Import substitution of a kind, blah.
              Dear Andrey, God forbid, you will have to "uproot". We don't need blood on our hands. To this, tv-ri from the West and push. I hope that our rulers will have enough intelligence, not to lead to the situation, "uprooting", and, not to the state of "new Russians".
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 17: 09
                +2
                Quote: avva2012
                Imagine what we're laughing at

                I personally do not laugh. All very Really
                Quote: avva2012
                We don’t need blood on our hands. To this, TVRs from the West are pushing.

                There is already a lot of blood, and the further, the more it will be. If you do not solve the issue radically. And in a short time.
                I don’t want war either - the current Ukrainian civil (what else to call it?) Went through my family. Do you think I'm ready to shoot at my ATO cousin? You know, Sasha, he's ready for me. In all seriousness, he is going to fight on the territory of Russia. Not this year, but right now, "we'll save up strength and .." And they will start from the Crimea, and then they are going to reach Voronezh (about, our dear Donbass with him, is not mentioned - this matter, in his opinion, is decided)
                Me this quite I do not like....
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 30 January 2016 17: 51
                  0
                  I sympathize, brother in the ATO, God forbid. I don’t know, and you too are a prescription. I sincerely sympathize with you. Civil war is already underway. It’s easier for me, I’m flying. I hope Putin is not a suicide. Go crazy again 18 year!
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 18: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I sympathize, brother in the ATO, God forbid.

                    C'mon, I get used to this fact. What to take from a moron? He has been a Ukrainian nationalist since the 90s, although he is ethnic Russian. Even with my wife I broke up a year and a half ago for this reason - now she and her children are in the DPR, he is there, but on the other side of the front.
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I don’t know, and you too recipe

                    I know. Bread to smash. Then drink and make up. Will help? God knows ..
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I, easier, I'm flying

                    I, too, today am a man of a completely peaceful profession. And I really would not want to remember past skills ..
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 31 January 2016 10: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Ami du peuple I know. Bread to smash. Then drink and make up. Will help? God knows ..

                      If the broken bread helped. A wonderful world would be then.
                      "Drink and measure"? And if your hands are up to the elbows? Who do you have it? How do they all work as a bread slicer?
                      I, too, today am a man of a completely peaceful profession. And I really would not want to remember past skills ..

                      And what is there to remember.
              2. tol100v
                tol100v 30 January 2016 22: 26
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                I hope our rulers have enough mind

                In order for you to remain Russian, do you lack the minds of your rulers ?! Hence the conclusion: - ITS and you do not!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 31 January 2016 10: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Tol100v You lack the mind of your rulers ?! Hence the conclusion: - ITS and you do not!

                  Here, the advice is simple: drink less or carefully read the commentary or both together. Maybe Mind will appear.
        7. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 31 January 2016 09: 14
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          So, here you can’t help with fleeting pictures and memories of a happy childhood, dear MIKHAN.

          This was a momentary weakness ... And so I became angry, too much information fell upon me about the "brothers", etc. If anything, the hand will not tremble ... (I would not want to, of course ..) hi
      2. Chisxnumxdiman
        Chisxnumxdiman 30 January 2016 13: 29
        +3
        Yes, I remember all this, although a crest living in the Russian Federation. And they are xs. They have a jumping Maidan ..
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 30 January 2016 13: 33
        +5
        Mikhan, did you dig as a child with sapper shovels in a huge pile of snow moves / rooms / entrances / exits?
        Our girl lost her golden earring while lasagna in those "catacombs" ... They searched for all the "composition", and never found it ....
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 30 January 2016 13: 37
          12
          In Leninsk (Baikonur today) there was very little snow! But we had a dugout in the Komsomolsky park behind the house! repeat
          We played war games! I had a Zykinsky avtik!
          And the gunshots! Ear
          BUT ... crying
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 30 January 2016 13: 57
            12
            Quote: Baikonur
            In Leninsk (Baikonur today) there was very little snow! But we had a dugout in the Komsomolsky park behind the house! repeat
            We played war games! I had a Zykinsky avtik!
            And the gunshots! Ear
            BUT ... crying


            And a big nut, there are bolts on both sides, and between them is sulfur from matches, and on asphalt ?! A bottle of carbide and water ?! And soaked in fertilizer and dried newspaper, which filled the army flask and set on fire ?! And building cartridges in a fire ?! A piece of celluloid wrapped in foil from an officer’s tablet ?! And the magnesium disk from the helicopter wheel, which was ground with a file and set fire to powder ?! Eh ...
            1. edmed
              edmed 30 January 2016 15: 13
              +5
              Eh ... Golden childhood ... Somehow, an unripe quince was brought to our Siberian town, it looks like a green apple, at the end of the 70s "let me bite" was not considered shameful, they said - "a little", "freeloaders "they dug to the full width of the jaw, but they didn't have enough strength to bite through the fruit, but they could not pull it out, and then the circus began, holding the fruit, they could force it to jump on" tiptoe "and kneel down.
            2. Baikonur
              Baikonur 30 January 2016 15: 18
              +7
              And the slingshots with "Hungarians" firing with dowels (cut from the wire)!
              And the bicycle spoke was bent and pulled together (I don’t remember what it was called), too, the sulfur from the matches was refueled and - bzdyk upsten!
              Did you play a baker?
              And the elephant?
              And in traffic jams?
              And in the spring, in general, UUH!
              And you put hydropyrite into the fixer, spit to speed up the reaction - it’s great smoke and it stinks! laughing
              1. hrapon
                hrapon 30 January 2016 16: 26
                +2
                Quote: Baikonur

                And the bicycle spoke was bent and pulled together (I don’t remember what it was called), too, the sulfur from the matches was refueled and - bzdyk upsten!
                laughing


                We called them "jammers", tk. the sound was appropriate, from which the ears were stuffed. They were also made from two long bolts fastened with a nut, and inside there was sulfur from match heads. As you hit with such a bolt on a wall or on the asphalt - it's all the same that the explosion package crashed.
                1. Kachesgm
                  Kachesgm 30 January 2016 22: 06
                  0
                  We wrapped a plastic bag on one of the bolts with electrical tape and threw it up. It was called a parachutist. And yes, childhood was in the 90s. Carbit was not already at construction sites, but they bought saltpeter in a fertilizer store))
          2. kare
            kare 30 January 2016 16: 23
            +4
            Quote: Baikonur
            Baikonur (7) SU Today, 13: 37 ↑ New

            In Leninsk (Baikonur today) there was very little snow! But we had a dugout in the Komsomolsky park behind the house! feel
            We played war games! I had a Zykinsky avtik!
            And the gunshots! Ear
            Ah ... crying

        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 30 January 2016 15: 43
          +4
          Quote: sabakina
          Mikhan, did you dig as a child with sapper shovels in a huge pile of snow moves / rooms / entrances / exits?

          Snowdrifts were to the roof ..... Fortresses were built! The enemy will not pass to my house! fellow Nobody taught, the genes probably worked .. the throats were tearing in attacks and the nose was bleeding! The carrion got up .. (they played war games)))) Oh my gosh, even a tear ... hi
          1. region58
            region58 30 January 2016 18: 19
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Snowdrifts were to the roof ..... Fortresses were built!

            The caves in these snowdrifts were digging ... long ... Adults often ruined all this, we were offended, we couldn’t know what could fall asleep to us ...
      4. dr.star75
        dr.star75 30 January 2016 13: 34
        +3
        Thanks to this generation, we communicate freely. And then my children do the same.
      5. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 30 January 2016 17: 28
        +2
        Do not wait, it’s useless .. People in their sixth decade in childhood eating lilacs and building huts, my fellow students (by the way, two from Russia, according to the distribution, got to build the Khmelnitsky NPP) nine out of ten carry such an x ​​in conversation ... In general, it's over. .
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Ah Ukraine, when all the same will rise all those who remember it all? I do not believe that you can brainwash this way, but after all, everything is obvious how you were deceived!
        Wake up and remember ..
      6. moskowit
        moskowit 30 January 2016 17: 35
        +1
        They also carried inkpots in bags, fought with swords after the movie "The Crusaders" and with swords after the first "Three Musketeers" ....
        And you correctly remembered about five petals. Every bush, every bouquet of lilacs for availability has been examined. Cavaliers often gave lilac to my older sister ...
        And we lived in the 1958-1965 years in Lviv, Slavut, Rivne and Izyaslav. This is all Ukraine. Uh ... We've done the goat business ... Swota ...
      7. The comment was deleted.
      8. Weyland
        Weyland 30 January 2016 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Wake up and remember ..


        on all points the answer is! yes " smile !
      9. Dolphin
        Dolphin 31 January 2016 11: 39
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Wake up and remember ..

        It was fun. Carefree days. Well then it's childhood wassat
        I remember everything, of course. And the jam with jam at school for 5 cents, sweet potatoes for 22, water from the machine for 3 cents, Pepsi-cola for 35 cents. Dairy cars (10 kopecks), the smell of leather in a shoe store, commission with Japanese two-case, Montana electronic watches, Sony cassettes for 9 rubles (it was very expensive). laughing
        Well, just what is it that I remember all this?
        Yes, they deceived us. But the question is: when? Maybe I was deceived even when, at the request of my parents addressed to the school director, I was easily and simply freed from studying the Ukrainian language (why should I strain my child with unnecessary things)? - In which republic was this possible, eh? and the language was studied in less hours than a foreign one! In the Ukrainian SSR, the Ukrainian language was thus forgotten (however, the surzhik went). There were very few newspapers, books, we studied history only through communication with the great federation - not a word about something before ... and so it was in everything. Asking a teacher of Russian literature (in Ukraine) about Ukraine, as well as a teacher of history - about real events or "forbidden" writers - and you are already an enemy, they are taking care of you, your parents are from the Communists, you are from the Komsomol .. I remember that too. And the question about the explosion at the nuclear power plant in Chernobyl (I was listening to the BBC's Russian service, then it was jammed in the USSR, it was forbidden to know the news, many listened on the sly) - and the KGB was already interested in me. Didn't you know that ?!
        So where did they trick me? And when? And in what?
        My great-grandmother of the tsar remembered (or rather a bag of gingerbread for half a penny) and how they and the girls walked for that half a penny (with the king-priest). And she said that they say that the time was golden, not like now (USSR). So what? And then she didn’t do it under the tsar all her life without unbending, so she didn’t do it at the landowner either, and she didn’t have passports in the USSR, like a serf, until the 70s or 60s, I don’t remember exactly .. So she said it’s better I would fly away with the Americans from Germany (when they released me). And I wanted to go home, you fool ... - I said so. (and this is not from a good life). And she died in the late 80s. So now, who deceived her?
        She remembers her, we remember her. And this does not prevent us from thinking about what is happening now, today.
        Is not it?!
    4. GRAY
      GRAY 30 January 2016 13: 09
      30
      Quote: Observer2014
      This is geopolitics baby!

      Why, then they signed these agreements, if they are unacceptable to them?

      In, the joke remembered:

      A new Russian, a homosexual and a crest got to an uninhabited island. And suddenly, out of nowhere, the tribe attacked them. They tied everyone up. And they say: you have three opportunities to get to the mainland. The first is to eat a bag of salt, the second is to surrender in a perverted form to the whole tribe and the third is to pay us 1000 bucks. Well, the homosexual immediately looked around the tribe, like "and the tribe you have is some kind of very small - let's fuck me." Well, he was fucked by the whole tribe - he even got pleasure and was taken to the mainland on a pie. The Russian, of course, even paid three thousand dollars instead of a thousand, and the warriors of the tribe took him to the mainland on a huge steamer. Khokhol thought and thought, and said "Let's get a bag of salt." He eats it, his snot is all gone, his face is all white - he only ate half a sack, he no longer climbs. "Okay" - says, "Let's fuck me." They started to tear him up, but when it came to the middle - "That's it!" - He says, "I can't take it anymore! Let's get salt again!" In general, he began to chew salt again, then he sees, like everything, he can’t take out a thousand bucks: "Okay, lads, hold it!"
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 30 January 2016 13: 55
        +5
        Quote: GRAY
        "Okay, lads, hold on!"

        For the record! That is the whole psychology of Dill!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 30 January 2016 15: 38
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Why, then they signed these agreements, if they are unacceptable to them?

        I would call this agreement "The Name of the White Bull - 2". yes
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 30 January 2016 19: 35
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        In, the joke remembered:


        In fact, this Hochma from the Talmud, she is already 2000 years old. So it was only protoucr laughing rather than modern. True, instead of salt and distortions there were rotten onions and rods in the corresponding amount, but this does not change the essence ...
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 30 January 2016 19: 52
          +1
          Quote: Weyland
          she is already 2000 years old.

          This Hochma is 140000 years old - Ukrainian historians will not let me lie.
      4. The comment was deleted.
    5. NIKNN
      NIKNN 30 January 2016 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Observer2014
      Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable
      YES you .......! At the time of the signing. And how did you like it? It's geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!


      No matter how much I listen to this verbiage with signs of idiocy, all the time the thought itself arises "Klimkin has a climax" I don't know why ... request
      1. Primus pilus
        Primus pilus 30 January 2016 13: 12
        +2
        But Klimkin does not think about the fact that they still easily got off Minsk-2, apparently Minsk-3 may appear.
        1. The black
          The black 30 January 2016 13: 15
          +4
          if this downito knew how to think, then in such a DOE, like a ministerial portfolio in the Nazi government, I would not have gotten myself into it. And in general, you will look into the sad and "smart" eyes of this .. uh .. ... minister ... and you understand, this Caula threw two ... him and Vitalka the boxer, they are twins by aikyu laughing
          1. smart Fox
            smart Fox 30 January 2016 13: 22
            +3
            Right My dacha neighbor is a spilled minister Klimkin. All neighbors know that there is no greater idiot for an entire gardening partnership.
            1. The black
              The black 30 January 2016 13: 25
              +3
              I agree. Klimkin looks like a clinical idiot .... although you put Parubia next to him and this minister will look like a classical professor. wassat
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 January 2016 14: 12
                +2
                In Ukrorad, all of these are clinical ones.
            2. tol100v
              tol100v 30 January 2016 22: 44
              0
              Quote: Sly Fox
              . All neighbors know that there is no greater idiot for an entire gardening partnership.

              The scales are different: a horticultural partnership and Ukrainina with 40 million gardening thieves! Here is the idiocy in progression!
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 30 January 2016 22: 40
        0
        Quote: NIKNN
        , all the time the thought itself arises "Klimkin has a climax" I don't know why ...

        He has a pronounced clinic! And that's it! It's just bad that he doesn't read "Military Review"! Probably they will tell him. Will not become more literate, but ...
    6. sever.56
      sever.56 30 January 2016 13: 11
      +9
      How is this "alternative-smart" fool To explain to Klim Chugunkin that Russia is not a party to the negotiations, but a guarantor of the observance of the "Minsk agreements", together with France and Germany !!! fool fool fool
    7. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 30 January 2016 13: 48
      +1
      Observer2014
      Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable

      ... Klimkin again mixed up everything: ... this is a regime of power in Ukropia that is unacceptable ... nothing ... for now we tolerate ... So bear with it ... and fulfill the demands of the European community ... expressed in MINSK - 2 .. .
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 30 January 2016 13: 57
        +4
        Klimkin still did not understand that they were merged. Ukraine was cut off from Russia in order to test the old thesis of either Brzez or Kissinger that without ukriya Russia is not an empire. But it turned out that the thesis of the elder Bush was correct, that without the outskirts of Russia it would only be easier. Ukraine failed to become an important factor in the development of the Russian Federation, and then why is it needed? All ties are broken, the dill economy is in the stage of complete destruction, i.e. it's time to return this "suitcase without a handle" to Russia, to sort out its problems.
    8. akmalinin
      akmalinin 30 January 2016 13: 50
      +1
      Not "Minsky" should be signed, but Ukraine should be liberated from the maydanuts and those who came to power.
    9. mg1503
      mg1503 30 January 2016 14: 04
      +4
      "And I think this is fundamentally unacceptable from the point of view of the entire logic of the process. And, of course, they will play with this topic. They are not interested in Donbass, but they are interested in undermining the situation in the country."
      Explain, Klimkin, from the point of view of the entire logic of the process, do not play with the topic and explain to all residents of Donbass what is interesting to you in Donbass? What is your interest in the Donbass?
      Donbass residents do not need you, you have already killed more than 5 thousand, blocked the supply of food, destroyed infrastructure, enterprises, houses, do not pay pensions and social benefits, left millions of citizens to their own devices and continue playing around like dogs in the hay. Play it out ... And what kind of contractor did you all understand, you fucker diplomat.
    10. Altona
      Altona 30 January 2016 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable

      -----------------------
      Unacceptable Samantha Power wrinkle boobs. laughing
    11. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 30 January 2016 16: 53
      0
      And this is geopolitical news! No brainer that they don’t want peace under the conditions of the Donbass .. Over the course of this year, this butting will continue in Minsk .. And then the donkey will die, or the sultan will be bullied ..
      Quote: Observer2014
      Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable
      YES you .......! At the time of the signing. And how did you like it? It's geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!
    12. vodolaz
      vodolaz 30 January 2016 17: 02
      +1
      I am in quiet horror from Ukrainian politicians. What did you think? That all these contracts are not real?
    13. moskowit
      moskowit 30 January 2016 17: 42
      +1
      Klimkin is just a fool ... little ... And that’s it ...
    14. sgazeev
      sgazeev 30 January 2016 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Klimkin: Moscow’s demands on Minsk-2 are unacceptable
      YES you .......! At the time of the signing. And how did you like it? It's geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!

      Chugunkin look for relatives in Russia. lol
    15. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 31 January 2016 04: 24
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      This is geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!


      Yes, everything has already been written. "The whole Kanatchikova dacha was torn to the TV."
      Take away candidates to the nearest aspen tree. And they hide behind Russian surnames. Already some kind of klizmikin. Oh, how they want to suck on us! Here you would suck with your vacuum cleaners! Have you heard about the word "bolt"? And what about Chief Physician Morgulis with a plug? Decent baby daddy.
    16. revnagan
      revnagan 31 January 2016 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      YES you .......! At the time of the signing. And how did you like it? It's geopolitics, baby (Klimkin)!

      On the one hand, everything is true. And the giblets and the junta-su.ki are children, but on the other: "An oath given under duress has no force." Wait to throw a slipper. Remember the history of how the Treaty of Versailles was signed. Germany then too .......! And it was then that the future great war was laid. For the Germans in Germany realized that theirs ...! And the winners in the heat of victory in the open "joked" on the defeated Germany. There is nothing worse than wounded pride people. This unites, it pushes to the idea of ​​revenge. We all remember the words of the "speech therapist" about the need to create a 10-fold superiority in forces over the LPNR and after that treat them like the Croats with the Serbian Krajina. The junta never abandoned this scenario. It is impossible to leave this power in Ukraine and try to impose unfavorable conditions on it that must be fulfilled. It is necessary to change the power in Ukraine and negotiate with the new government, and not with this one, which has all the resources in its hands. country, and which will blame its neighbor for all the troubles of Ukraine, rallying the people against him in a future war. And who needs such a war between two states / one people, I think there is no need to say?
  2. Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 January 2016 13: 02
    +6
    They’ll come up with everything for us: what goals we have and what logic and what we think about instead of taking and fulfilling what is written on the points, but no, it's too simple, we need to hang out.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2016 13: 03
    +1
    A snake is spinning in a pan!
  4. Rassamaha
    Rassamaha 30 January 2016 13: 04
    +3
    can’t understand that no one counts with the downstream)))
  5. Rosich333
    Rosich333 30 January 2016 13: 04
    +4
    Sadness! But everything that is written down in the Minsk agreements must be done!
    1. hrapon
      hrapon 30 January 2016 16: 51
      +2
      Quote: Rosich333
      Sadness! But everything that is written down in the Minsk agreements must be done!


      The joke is that the Minsk agreements have been confirmed word for word by the UN Security Council resolution. For a moment, this is also an international legal document. However, the Ruins Foreign Minister does not seem to know this. Such are the diplomats in the "ceEurop". Kiev IMO prepared Svidomo idiots with knowledge of foreign languages. One Deschitsa was worth what.
  6. Severok
    Severok 30 January 2016 13: 05
    +3
    They will not change the Constitution. For the United States, this is tantamount to a defeat in the game that they started in Ukraine, and for crooks like Klimkin, Poroshenko, Yaytsanyukha, this is a loss of sums with many signs and the loss of a first-class feeder. The pig always keeps closer to the trough.
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 30 January 2016 13: 06
    +6
    as I understand it, Ukrainians are not going to do anything. there will be a continuation of the war. only now will ukland survive this war? the next victory papados militias will spend in Kiev.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 30 January 2016 13: 30
      0
      They also promised more loans, so that the economy will survive ... Europe and the United States this war until the last Slav. Divide and rule.
  8. Bakht
    Bakht 30 January 2016 13: 08
    +7
    Unacceptable? Very well. Let them publicly refuse to complete Minsk-2 and explain to Merkel and Hollande that they wanted to spit on them. What does Moscow have to do with it?

    And if negotiations were conducted by Kuchma (a pensioner), then the President of Ukraine signed Minsk-2. So do not yap at the minister at the president.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 30 January 2016 13: 13
      +2
      So one could say if they themselves decided something! And so they decide for them !! And if they say they blame Moscow for everything, then the junta will nod to Moscow .... Such is the sad fate of slaves and slaves request winked
  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 January 2016 13: 09
    +2
    It’s a kind of stupid look, if you believe it feels like each side has its own text of Minsk 2, although if you look at their host USA everything becomes clear, a double standard when they need black to become white, or white to black, and generally any color, shorter as needed
  10. olegfbi
    olegfbi 30 January 2016 13: 11
    +1
    But where does the demand of Moscow?
    "Gentlemen" dill - Signed, so do it! What is difficult ???
  11. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 January 2016 13: 12
    0
    Minsk-2 is unacceptable! laughing

    Elections for LDNR will be held in the city of Lviv and the CEC of Ukraine according to the laws of Nazi Germany. laughing

    Return heavy weapons to the line of contact after transferring control of the state border to the Terbats. am

    POWs executed. am

    A special status in the Constitution is prescribed for Poroshenko and Yaytsenyuk in the form of irremovability, immunity and immunity, with a hereditary transfer of power. laughing
  12. pts-m
    pts-m 30 January 2016 13: 13
    0
    another verbal nonsense of this “cockerel.” The destruction of their Kakhlyak people is more profitable for them than the performance of mensk-2. Well, yes ... other people's lives are not a pity ...
  13. Awaz
    Awaz 30 January 2016 13: 17
    +4
    duck from along only from Brussels forced to read this contract. Ukrainians right now froze and twitched .. It is poorly poorly positive moment drew up: Ukrainians learned what was written in Minsk2.
  14. Dave36
    Dave36 30 January 2016 13: 17
    -2
    Moscow itself let it drift ... Minsk’s demands are killing Ukraine ... they won’t comply and shouldn’t ... They will gain strength .. not today .. not tomorrow, maybe the day after tomorrow, but they will go on the offensive for sure.
    1. gabonskijfront
      gabonskijfront 30 January 2016 13: 22
      0
      Maybe on its own, or maybe not, it is a matter of time and for whom it plays.
  15. Taltsy
    Taltsy 30 January 2016 13: 20
    0
    The price of all kinds of concessions, discounts and loans ... The capitalist will not take his eyes off the capitalist.
  16. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 30 January 2016 13: 26
    0
    This is not a task - not his signature is under Minsk 2 and Poroshenko)))))))
  17. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 30 January 2016 13: 27
    +1
    Yeah))) The fact that Biden suggested creating the united states of urkaina is a little annoying, although the Constitution should be completely rewritten for this case as a clean copy, but the special status of Donbass is not possible.
    Political degenerates)))
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2016 13: 31
    +4
    They feel that they have lost, but they cannot understand exactly where ... Yes everywhere. Generally everywhere. And inside, and outside, and in the Crimea, and in the Donbass. Got what they wanted.
    Now follow, jumpers.
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 January 2016 13: 31
    +3
    If unacceptable, announce to the whole world - we will not abide by the Minsk agreements. Bring it to your masters. I’ll see whether you’ll be a minister tomorrow.
    And what are your next steps?
  20. askort154
    askort154 30 January 2016 13: 34
    +3
    Yes, a beautiful GDP knot tied up in Minsk, in spite of the constant consultations (calls) Poroshenko and Merkel (from the toilet) to the Regional Committee of the USA, as a result they signed. Only then it dawned that the knot was on a loop for Poroshenko’s neck.
  21. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 30 January 2016 13: 37
    0
    Something lately lately Ukrainian friends and partners of Putin. That is unacceptable to them, this is unacceptable. Or they received a team of fas from their overseas master, and they are barking.
  22. 8140
    8140 30 January 2016 13: 40
    0
    When you are offered to play some kind of game. That is, before the voice of the rules are voiced.
    If you accept the rules and start the game, it’s too late to blame anyone that you ended up being a sucker at the end of the game, because Hastened to accept the rules of the game, didn’t read them, made no changes, or didn’t offer his own rules at all.
    Sucker to be insulting and painful.
    But the fault is only on you, not on the opposite side.
    I hope everyone understands everything in Minsk.

    Why did Putin fit into this process on the proposed conditions and now we are being fucked up by all parties as a party to the negotiations. That the rules are not read. T.K. If you read it, then our Foreign Ministry would not whimper so quietly that we are not a party to the negotiations. They don’t do that with a strong position, so they don’t read it. Nobody deceived us, we ourselves agreed to these rules. And you could offer yours! And there wouldn’t be now since in the east of Ukraine. What is good there? Thriving? Are people happy?
    And in the end, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE for this, namely our president, who took part in the Minsk talks.
    What is wrong? Does logic not work)?
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 January 2016 13: 55
      +3
      Quote: 8140

      The logic just works. When Minsk-2 was signed, everything was known in advance. But when did he subscribe? When near Debaltseve there was a "peremoga". And Petya did not call Washington, but his own General Staff. But there he was disappointed: "Sign or a complete furry animal." He signed out of despair. Of course, I was not going to do it.

      Now Kiev has decided that you can yapping. Strongly mistaken. None of the points in Minsk have been fulfilled. And the Russian Foreign Ministry quite calmly replies "we are not a party to the negotiations."

      But the second fur-bearing animal and more terrible Debaltsevo is drawn. Don't want to perform Minsk-2? And the elections are just about ... And the President of the Russian Federation is voicing his point of view. Consider only your own, not the position of the Russian Federation. "And Lenin planted a vigorous bomb and Donbass was handed over to Ukraine unauthorized. Are you against the USSR and the commies? Well, I'm also against it. So let's return everything as it was. And Donetsk will become Yuzovka and will return to Russia." How long this PERSONAL opinion of the president will remain personal depends on the obstinacy of Kiev.

      The third furry animal is also planned. He will be in early February. Kiev will start gas extraction and transit to Europe will be covered with a copper basin. Oh and the stink will be ....

      We are waiting, sir ....
  23. evil partisan
    evil partisan 30 January 2016 13: 46
    +5
    Hahly have raped their Constitution so many times, and now they’re breaking right like girls. Paradox what .
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 30 January 2016 14: 02
      +2
      Yeah, it breaks and it’s just like girls - whether I, if not I, a poker in a blanket :)
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 30 January 2016 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        whether I, whether I, a poker in a blanket :)


        About the representatives of this nation they say differently:
        "Ta I ne taka, ..
        That I can’t ..
        that ne there! "
  24. sichevik
    sichevik 30 January 2016 13: 46
    +6
    It seems to me that Minsk is a very heavy burden for the junta. And what’s most interesting, that they can’t refuse the Minsk agreements. And they do not want to fulfill them. Put their GDP in a famous position. The wretched are not unbending and whine slowly. And the overseas owner, as I understand it, also does not quite know (or does not know at all) what to do with the outskirts. Everywhere you throw a wedge. Crimea is Russian, Russia did not attack the outskirts. With Boeing, too, a bummer happened. And in Syria, everything somehow went wrong. And now with the outskirts you need to decide what to do? And you can’t quit, and you don’t really want to pull these idiots on your hump.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 30 January 2016 13: 51
    +4
    Chuguniy Klimkin. Or Klim Chugunkin. Or Polygraph Poligrafovich with "cosmic stupidity" passages.
    He does not agree, you see. Moreover, not only with Plotnitsky, Zakharchenko, but also with the very Ku-h-oh-oh (I had a hyphen, for some reason censorship does not skip).
    Then a backfill question: whom did Kuchma represent, and whom did Klimkin represent?
  26. BOB044
    BOB044 30 January 2016 13: 53
    +1
    It is not possible to agree with cunningly made ones. Kiev will look for various excuses and accuse Russia that it breaks the negotiations in Minsk.
  27. surrozh
    surrozh 30 January 2016 13: 59
    +2
    Strange statement. The Minister of Foreign Affairs cannot talk like that about the treaties of his President. Either the Gunpowder is drained, or Klimkin will soon be killed.
    1. Vanko
      Vanko 30 January 2016 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: surozh
      Strange statement. The Minister of Foreign Affairs cannot talk like that about the treaties of his President. Either the Gunpowder is drained, or Klimkin will soon be killed.


      That's it. Declare unacceptable the terms of the contract signed by the president, can only or stubborn suicide, or someone who knows what will happen to the president. In general, it is not clear.
      It used to be: "Russia cannot be understood with the mind," now even Russia cannot understand 404.
  28. kapitan92
    kapitan92 30 January 2016 14: 05
    +3
    Quote: Black
    I agree. Klimkin looks like a clinical idiot .... although you put Parubia next to him and this minister will look like a classical professor. wassat

    Everything is much more complicated. The game of "Ukrainian patriot" began. The chair swayed under parashenko, the struggle for the "future governor" intensified, probably Klimkin decided to play his "game", because how else to explain that the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine with his statements actually disavows Minsk-2, signed by the president of Ukraine. The IMF promises a new tranche, on the eve of the carve-up of 7 lard, I think this is not the last speech of the representative of the powers that be in Ukraine.
    The show must go on! laughing
  29. valent45
    valent45 30 January 2016 14: 07
    +1
    Klimkin, you are an uneducated political scientist. You do not own diplomacy. Learn from Lavrov.
    Although in Hohland you do not need it. Follow and follow the Action Guides,
    written over a puddle for people like you!
  30. NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 January 2016 14: 49
    0
    Klimkin: requirements for Minsk-2 are unacceptable !!!
    Is it incomprehensible to me here? Klimkin estedeys (yesterday) woke up? or where was all this time? Or until everyone who is RAD (out of joy) speaks out, no one will decide anything? The parliament acts as it did the last two years - everything that is not accepted or offered is beneficial to us!
  31. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 30 January 2016 14: 54
    +1
    and who made you sign? he called himself a cargo ...
  32. Papapg
    Papapg 30 January 2016 15: 07
    0
    I foresee that in the future, cathedral horses, which have gone crazy from insanity, will say - that some kind of eclipse directly came upon them, and the fraternal Russian people did not extend their helping hands, threw them to be torn to pieces by a ball, mayday, Valtsman, etc. etc. But now these future ones are either jumping or participating in the ATO, while others in the kitchen are spreading a philosophy. It's all to blame. Whoever would write such a lecture to them so that they wouldn’t unlock, that they have blinders in their eyes and in their mouths with a pipe with a drum on their neck. Some need to be taken on record, who screams chants, someone on a slumber, someone on knives.
  33. Stinger
    Stinger 30 January 2016 15: 25
    0
    Yes, they did not intend and are not going to fulfill the signed agreement. All in European style. Promise and not fulfill. Values!
  34. igorkuzik
    igorkuzik 30 January 2016 15: 29
    0
    Klimkin, what your signed is what you must do!
  35. Orionvit
    Orionvit 30 January 2016 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Ah Ukraine, when all the same will rise all those who remember it all? I do not believe that you can brainwash this way, but after all, everything is obvious how you were deceived!
    Wake up and remember ..

    In the west of Ukraine there are none. In the east, 90 percent, and with decreasing age, the percentage decreases, and those born after 1991. they don’t even imagine that Ukraine once was not. All Russophobic propaganda and rewriting of history, is designed specifically for them. And about the rise. Did many spontaneous revolutions in the world happen? In my opinion, not one. A bunch of dissatisfied conspirators, even on the street, will not do anything. A revolution is a huge organization, with huge funding, training, plans, armed units, leaders and so on. Moreover, in a frankly Nazi state like Ukraine, they are not shy about shooting people on the street in the name of democracy, as on the Maidan. So people for the most part do not decide anything, no matter what beliefs they have. Decide organizations, political plans and financing.
  36. I am human
    I am human 30 January 2016 15: 59
    +1
    Klim Chugunkin ... An exact copy ...
  37. Cat man null
    Cat man null 30 January 2016 16: 08
    +1
    “They will now be endlessly played by the topic of special status and how it should be fixed. And the problem is not that the special status should be for three years or more, but they want to write some things in the Constitution. And I think this is fundamentally unacceptable from the point of view of the whole logic of the process

    The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine either did not read the Minsk agreements or read them .. inattentively.

    What he is indignant with is clearly spelled out there. Further, you can observe or not. And the document can not be "corrected" as you wish, alas request
  38. Gunther
    Gunther 30 January 2016 16: 30
    0
    The opinion of this Svidomo does not cost anything.
    Another thing is not clear - why is there not a sound on the site about the Troy OSPN which is currently being cleaned?
  39. AID.S
    AID.S 30 January 2016 16: 34
    +1
    It remains for Chugunkin to say '- "We did not sign Minsk-2, they signed it themselves!"
  40. natakor1949
    natakor1949 30 January 2016 16: 50
    0
    Seeing this under-state, whose power does not have the right to manage its territory on its own, it becomes scary because our Power was one foot in a similar grave, i.e. when in the 90s we were ruled from behind a puddle, together with our liberals (Berezovsky, Yavlinsky, Gaidars, Germans and other Chubais). But the Russian people survived, received immunity, but the horses-puppy dogs were avid for free cookies, for which they were punished from above. We must NEVER forget this, so as not to return to the terrible past.
  41. potalevl
    potalevl 30 January 2016 16: 54
    0
    Yes! Not a simple boy. I don’t think that the mattresses made him a career, only so that he crowed nonsense all over the world. This ju-ju-ju is not casual. Something like this.
  42. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 30 January 2016 17: 01
    +2
    "What is written with a pen cannot be cut out with an ax." And what is this Klimkin solo performing, why are no Franco-German voices heard in the same key? Or in Kiev, for the fulfillment of the signed, they want, as always, money? So there is not a line about that in the contract. Well, if they don't, then the demand from their guarantors will be in full. am
  43. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 30 January 2016 18: 24
    0
    Does it mean that Ukraine refuses to fulfill the "Minsk agreements"? Does the West want to "punish" Russia for this? Good logic ... Iron !!!
  44. konvalval
    konvalval 30 January 2016 18: 31
    0
    Klimkin, do not disgrace the Russian surname, change to Klimkinenko.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 30 January 2016 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: konvalval
      Klimkin, do not disgrace the Russian surname, change to Klimkinenko.

      This is the Mordovian Volga (middle Volga) surname. Most likely Erzya. I would like to support your opinion and appeal to Mr. Klimkin - dear, YOU support the infusion of "great ukrov" about the Ugric hordes ?! Judas hu..v!
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 30 January 2016 19: 43
        +1
        Quote: edeligor
        This is the Mordovian Volga (middle Volga) surname.


        Well then! "Who ends in -in is called Mordvin!" (from)
      2. The comment was deleted.
  45. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 30 January 2016 18: 34
    +1
    Now in Donbass there is no peace, no war, and the Avenue of Angels is getting longer and longer. Well, it can't be "good" with the descendants of those who burned people in the villages alive (I'm talking about Belarus, about Khatyn and other villages)
  46. vik669
    vik669 30 January 2016 18: 47
    0
    Quote: konvalval
    Klimkin, do not disgrace the Russian surname, change to Klimkinenko
    Klimkin is our man (made in Kursk Russia).
  47. sergant67
    sergant67 30 January 2016 19: 20
    0
    Who would talk about loosening the situation .....
  48. The comment was deleted.
  49. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 30 January 2016 20: 27
    0
    “They will now be endlessly played by the topic of special status and how it should be fixed. And the problem is not that the special status should be for three years or more, but they want to write some things in the Constitution. And I think this is fundamentally unacceptable
    And it’s your job to do it! If you grow up to the presidency (it’s quite possible: now is the time for downs in necropy), then you’ll speculate! Festival of idiots!
  50. renics
    renics 30 January 2016 20: 31
    +1
    Klimkin: Moscow's demands for Minsk-2 are unacceptable. And in general there is something acceptable, why it was necessary to sign the Minsk agreements in this case. Or is it a show of Klimkin himself, they say we are an independent country from anyone, when it is already clear to everyone that Ukraine is a protectorate of the West, and if they spice it up, they can do it the way they did it in Rwanda in 1994. http://forum.giga.ua/viewtopic.php?t=201254. Genocide in Rwanda 1994 (Rwanda Itsembabwoko ry'u Rwanda ry'1994) For those who dream of a civilized anarchy in Ukraine. Just in case. Don't say you didn't know it now.