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Vice Chancellor: Germany approves "Nord Stream-2" if transit through Ukraine is maintained

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According to the Vice-Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Zigmar Gabriel, the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is possible only if the pipeline, which supplies gas for Eastern Europe, is maintained, the newspaper reports Look.




“The implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is only possible while maintaining the Yamal pipeline and transit through Ukraine after 2019,” said Gabriel during a visit to Warsaw. According to him, he already spoke about this to the representatives of the Russian Federation.

“Poland and Germany have different views on the role of Russia in the Nord Stream 2 project,” the vice-chancellor noted. “For Germany, this is a matter of business, and for Poland, a matter of policy.”

Earlier, Polish Deputy Prime Minister Moravetsky said his country was "concerned about the security of gas supplies, while Germany was discussing an increase in the flow capacity of Nord Stream."

In December, Angela Merkel declared that "Ukraine should not lose its role as a gas transit country." “This is a political decision,” the chancellor added.
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  1. fregina1
    fregina1 30 January 2016 12: 28
    123
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...
    1. bort4145
      bort4145 30 January 2016 12: 30
      79
      Admiral Kolchak, once occupying another city, said: "Do not touch the artists, prostitutes and coachmen. They serve any government."
      It is interesting to which of these categories modern officials belong (and in all countries)?
      Not mine, but this situation is ideal
      The lighthouse does not rush along the coast in search of a boat that can be saved.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 30 January 2016 12: 32
        52
        Here are the Bastards-Hans! ultimatums are probing! With the help of vice gansler!
        I feel that if this happens, then ours will kick this topic with indignant exclamations and as a result, when it’s already forgotten, they AGREE (as if with some conditions, such as those conquered by our valiant gas diplomats led by the “excellent” Miller benefit of Russia!)
        As with 3 lards, as well as with other similar "Victories".

        In short, they kick us, but we type get stronger! Hurray, comrades! Hooray!
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 30 January 2016 12: 43
          59
          If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 30 January 2016 13: 33
            20
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.

            To those more if politely asking him to stop for a major overhaul!
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 30 January 2016 13: 55
              33
              Quote: Tol100v
              Especially if you politely ask him to stop for a major overhaul!

              ... with a complete replacement of the GTS on our part .. years on 5 .. laughing
              “Poland and Germany have different views on the role of Russia in the Nord Stream 2 project,” the vice-chancellor noted. “For Germany, this is a matter of business, and for Poland, a matter of policy.”

              ... laughed for a long time .. do you see they look at the role of Russia differently .. boys, who is asking you? .. do not like our gas, no question, there is no Nord Stream 2 and all business .. laughing
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 30 January 2016 15: 03
                13
                According to German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is possible only if the pipeline that supplies gas to Eastern Europe is preserved, the newspaper Vzglyad reports.

                Yes easily! Nobody is going to touch their gas pipeline, let it rust, or let the Ukrainians take it apart for scrap, we don’t care! But let them look for gas elsewhere.
                1. epsilon571
                  epsilon571 30 January 2016 16: 00
                  15
                  Yes easily! Nobody is going to touch their gas pipeline, let it rust, or let the Ukrainians take it apart for scrap, we don’t care! But let them look for gas elsewhere.


                  But if Russia accepts the agreed document, which the Vice-Chancellor of Germany Sigmar Gabriel speaks about, it will no longer be possible to refuse it. They just want to ruin us. The construction of Nord Stream 2 will require colossal money, and the capacities will remain unloaded, is it worth it to incur deliberate losses?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 30 January 2016 16: 05
                    +6
                    Quote: epsilon571
                    and the capacities will remain unloaded, is it worth it to take deliberate losses?

                    To punish Ukraine, yes.
                    In general, from Ukraine, Russia got such hemorrhoids that it is not known who punished anyone.
                    1. cayman gene
                      cayman gene 30 January 2016 16: 58
                      22
                      Quote: atalef
                      In general, from Ukraine, Russia got such hemorrhoids that it is not known who punished anyone.

                      hemorrhoids, the diagnosis for life and health is favorable, Russia will cope with the problem, but will an independent cancer cure rectal cancer with metastases in all vital organs?
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 30 January 2016 19: 39
                        10
                        From the text of the article
                        "Implementation of the project" Nord Stream-2 " only possible when saving the Yamal pipeline and transit through Ukraine AFTER 2019 year”, Gabriel said during a visit to Warsaw. According to him, he already spoke about this to the representatives of the Russian Federation.
                        “Poland and Germany have different views on the role of Russia in the Nord Stream 2 project,” the vice-chancellor said. - For Germany this is a matter of business, but for Poland it is a matter of politics».

                        This is clearly not an independent policy of Germany, but a coordinated policy, which is dictated by Germany by Washington.
                        The fact is that the United States is simply changing its political stakes in the alignment of forces in Europe. The United States is doing everything in Europe now in the same way as before the 2 World War.
                        First, the United States is arming both Germany and Poland against Russia.
                        And secondly, at the same time, Poland itself is increasingly being drawn into the orbit of US national interests. Moreover, the new president of Poland, the charismatic nationalist Duca, who is even a very good tool in the manipulative hands of the United States, greatly contributes to this. The Americans are betting on him, as on the future Polish Fuhrer. Merkel at the same time somewhat fades into the background.
                        What is Duki's interest? What is it caught by the Americans on? It seems to Poland that the Americans are again promising a revival of the “Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,” which included the lands of the Czech Republic, Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania.
                        The Americans, like in the 1938 year, need an expanded bridgehead in Europe to attack Russia and a hotbed of war in Europe, if not German, then Polish hands.
                    2. co-creator
                      co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 05
                      10
                      Quote: atalef
                      In general, from Ukraine, Russia got such hemorrhoids that it is not known who punished anyone.

                      And here is Ukraine? She is nobody, a vassal and just an excuse. That the Russian Federation simply builds all these flows, designs for many years and long before the Maidan.

                      Quote: atalef
                      To punish Ukraine, yes.

                      Sense to us to punish her? They do everything themselves.
                      1. cayman gene
                        cayman gene 30 January 2016 20: 27
                        10
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        And here is Ukraine? She is nobody, a vassal and just an excuse

                        quite right, by the way, the little seven-million-plus Israeli woman is also a vassal, without staff there is a nasty muhoshro.ansk that no one needs. sweaty, smelly Arabs would grumble him along with his fucking atomic bomb and not let them cry.
                    3. Tersky
                      Tersky 30 January 2016 20: 23
                      +4
                      Quote: atalef
                      in general, from Ukraine, Russia got such a hemorrhoids that it is not known who punished anyone.

                      No less, if not more, hemorrhagic got Europe, the USA, by the way no less, it is now for them like a suitcase without a handle. Well, Russia will cure this disease in the old way, it will tie nuts and it will fall off .. laughing Sasha drinks !
                    4. Victor jnnjdfy
                      Victor jnnjdfy 30 January 2016 21: 27
                      10
                      "Because of Ukraine, Russia got hemorrhoids" writes a certain Israeli commentator ... I tell him that Russia received from the West always when it was weak. And the West has always received change from Russia. It just so happened historically. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
                      Here Jews historically, with any turmoil, always received lyuli out of turn. It would be better if Israeli commentators tried to figure this out. What is the reason? And the citizens of Russia, I think, will understand their affairs without them ...
                  2. co-creator
                    co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 07
                    +6
                    Quote: epsilon571
                    The construction of Nord Stream 2 will require colossal money, and the capacities will remain unloaded, is it worth it to incur deliberate losses?

                    So everyone participates in its construction and pays equally. They will download it, since nobody will contain the gas transport system of Ukraine, and all the more, hoh.ly. They squeeze what they can out of it.
                  3. kuz363
                    kuz363 30 January 2016 18: 06
                    +6
                    Indeed, SP-1 is currently barely 50% loaded. EU laws no longer allow. The same will be with the SP-2.
                    1. Alexander_
                      Alexander_ 30 January 2016 18: 47
                      +5
                      Do not care for the laws, the authorities need it - at the moment any law will be changed.
                2. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 30 January 2016 16: 04
                  +9
                  The behavior of the Vice Chancellor of Germany is the behavior of a child on a hunger strike.
                  1. redeemer
                    redeemer 30 January 2016 16: 10
                    +7
                    not. this is called, and to sit down and eat fish ...
                    1. Weyland
                      Weyland 30 January 2016 20: 10
                      +2
                      how many times to repeat: DO NOT sit down! am
                      We are talking about paying for the fish in kind:

                      How to eat a fish -
                      so two pieces,
                      and how to ... sit down -
                      so "... narrow"!
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                  2. PKK
                    PKK 30 January 2016 17: 20
                    +3
                    It seems like a polite refusal from the 2nd stream. Apparently the Germans poked their mouths on cheap gas from Iran, or someone else suggested. Therefore, they set conditions that are obviously unacceptable to Russia. No one will supply anything through Dill after 19, unless Ukraine breaks up or will not give up!
                3. Tersky
                  Tersky 30 January 2016 20: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: fregina1
                  .take a repair of its part ...
                  Quote: Baikonur
                  Here are the Bastards-Hans! ultimatums are probing! With the help of vice gansler!

                  Quote: Tol100v
                  If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.

                  Quote: Inok10
                  ... with a complete replacement of the GTS on our part .. years on 5 ..

                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  Yes easily! Nobody is going to touch their gas pipeline, let it rust, or let the Ukrainians take it apart for scrap, we don’t care!

                  Guys, why are you alarmed? The contract for gas transit through Urkaiinu ends in 2019, right? Neither Putin is signing a new contract or extending the old one, and even more so some kind of vice-gangster, right? Well, all that fuss is. With whom and how to sign this deal of Gazprom ... And let this candy wrapper conclude at least with the penguins on the transit of gas through Antarctica, it will be "cheaper".
              2. Sirocco
                Sirocco 30 January 2016 15: 33
                +8
                Quote: Inok10
                .. do not like our gas, no question, there is no Nord Stream 2 and all business ..

                There are good words from Putin on the topic of energy in the EU.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 30 January 2016 16: 05
                  -8
                  Quote: Sirocco
                  There are good words from Putin on the topic of energy in the EU.

                  And about oil for $ 80 - the same thing.
                  1. Sirocco
                    Sirocco 30 January 2016 16: 52
                    11
                    Quote: atalef
                    And about oil for $ 80 - the same thing.

                    More details please. Please announce the entire list.
                    At the same time, explain to me how in the 80s of the last century, you and I, while living in the USSR, did without information such as the price of oil and the dollar exchange rate ???? To me and now all this on BA_RA_BA_NU
                    1. Pilgrim07
                      Pilgrim07 30 January 2016 17: 05
                      -27 qualifying.
                      and in the end, where is the USSR now?
                      do not forget, with the scoop we bought wheat ... for currency. and oil then cost 8 bucks.
                      1. Sirocco
                        Sirocco 30 January 2016 17: 20
                        16
                        Quote: Pilgrim07
                        and in the end, where is the USSR now?

                        You want to say that oil collapsed, the USSR? Yes, not oil, but the arrival of Gorbachev in the 85 year, with his arrival the collapse of industry and agriculture began.
                      2. mav1971
                        mav1971 30 January 2016 17: 35
                        -23 qualifying.
                        Quote: Sirocco
                        Quote: Pilgrim07
                        and in the end, where is the USSR now?

                        You want to say that oil collapsed, the USSR? Yes, not oil, but the arrival of Gorbachev in the 85 year, with his arrival the collapse of industry and agriculture began.


                        what nonsense ...
                      3. dali
                        dali 31 January 2016 00: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: mav1971
                        what nonsense ...

                        Bullshit your words ...

                        And about oil, read:

                        http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=36212
                      4. mav1971
                        mav1971 31 January 2016 20: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Dali
                        Quote: mav1971
                        what nonsense ...

                        Bullshit your words ...

                        And about oil, read:

                        http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=36212


                        You damn it. completely without memory?
                        Are you telling tales to whom?

                        The country was completely plundered by all the people.
                        How could collective farmers keep 10-15 units of livestock on a personal farmstead, but now they cannot?
                        Yes, because grain and hay were stolen.
                        And what was stolen - postscripts closed.
                        The same thing in production.
                        The children played with thorium electrodes, they shot balls and rollers from slingshots. carried out from factories.
                        at the dachas there were titanium shovels. crowbars, nails and mounts, ladders and tanks made of aluminum.
                        Or were hammers and nails sold in stores in the city of Kuybyshev?
                        No.
                        Where did it come from?
                        Stolen from factories. If not myself. so ask a neighbor - bring.
                        How products were stolen from meat plants, creameries, warehouses - I think no one in the city needs to be told.
                        Dear people were. Mlyn.
                        Or did you forget those times?

                        Drivers poured unspent gas on the ground to report on the mileage if there was no one to sell.
                        Theft, home registry was in a circle.
                        How did building materials be stolen at construction sites?
                        forgot.
                        Remember the selection of crocodiles and wicks. After all, no one laughed at that then. Because. that it was a way of life. And not humor or satire.


                        I lived in the Soviet Union since 1971 in the city of Kuibyshev then, I did not see real meat in stores. Only in the market. Oil is rare wild.
                        I began to see this only when the coupon system began and once a month there was a chance to defend terrible lines alternately with my mother, something to buy.

                        The country, the entire population of the country, directly or indirectly, destroyed it.
                        Gorbachev has come to the embers.

                        Of course. if you were in closed nuclear towns at that time. or children of generals and colonels - maybe you have not seen that. what am I writing.
                        But I have lived since 1971 in the very center of the working part of Kuybyshev - Bezymyanka.
                        Worked with 12 years. At first I wore mail during the holidays.
                        Then, when 14 was fulfilled - after school and vocational schools worked on the second shift at the 9 GPZ. In the CMS-2. Grinder bearings.
                        During his studies at vocational schools and after he worked as a welder in the 22 workshop of our aircraft factory.

                        And the life described by me was really seen.
                        And not according to fairy tales.
                        Minusators. either flying in the clouds. either D, B!
                    2. mahor
                      mahor 31 January 2016 05: 25
                      +1
                      what nonsense ...

                      This is not rubbish: the fight against drunkenness and alcoholism is minus 25 billion rubles from the budget, conversion is not amenable to accounting at all. There Misha just leaked trillions of rubles ... am
                  2. crambol
                    crambol 30 January 2016 18: 18
                    -14 qualifying.
                    Gorbachev’s parish in 85, with his parish, the collapse of industry and agriculture began


                    The arrival of Gorbachev is not a reason, but an occasion. A light push, and the pyramid collapsed!

                  3. dali
                    dali 31 January 2016 01: 01
                    +3
                    Of course, Gorbachev alone could not do this - the entire party CPSU leadership, starting (almost everywhere) with the leadership of the district, decided to become bars (although they were already practically them, but even bigger, as they wanted in the West). And all sorts of reasons brought to light, such as the price of oil, such as technological backwardness, are noodles on the ears. It’s elementary to see what percentage of the USSR budget was in those very years when oil was cheap:

                    http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=36212

                    Gorbachev is not the reason of course - he is a tool for collapse ...
                  4. skeptic
                    skeptic 31 January 2016 09: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: crambol
                    The arrival of Gorbachev is not a reason, but an occasion. A light push, and the pyramid collapsed!


                    The reason was the arrival of the humpback to power. Previously bought, the fifth column brought him and for "thirty pieces of silver" in his pocket, purposefully destroyed the USSR under the guise of a "better future" lohan the whole country, to please the Western bourgeoisie.
                  5. mav1971
                    mav1971 31 January 2016 20: 31
                    0
                    Quote: crambol
                    Gorbachev’s parish in 85, with his parish, the collapse of industry and agriculture began


                    The arrival of Gorbachev is not a reason, but an occasion. A light push, and the pyramid collapsed!


                    Do not sprinkle beads in front of Ivan. not remembering kinship. Idealized the devil understand that.
                    The country was completely collapsed.
                    Only a dictatorship that was much tougher could really save her then.
                    And Gorbachev is the opposite. eased. And just like an avalanche demolished the country.
                2. Fat
                  Fat 30 January 2016 23: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Sirocco
                  You want to say that oil collapsed, the USSR? Yes, not oil, but the arrival of Gorbachev in the 85 year, with his arrival the collapse of industry and agriculture began.

                  La-la is not necessary. "During that - does not mean because of that." There were enough reasons without Gorbachev, Brzezinski, technological and geophysical disasters and a drop in exchange rates. Looking for the culprit? Looking for reasons? = YOU are looking into the past. We must look for OPPORTUNITIES.
                3. dali
                  dali 31 January 2016 00: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Thick
                  ... There were enough reasons without Gorbachev ...

                  Of course, Gorbachev alone could not do this - the entire party CPSU leadership, starting (almost everywhere) with the leadership of the district, decided to become bars (although they were already practically them, but even bigger, as they wanted in the West). And all sorts of reasons brought to light, such as the price of oil, such as technological backwardness, are noodles on the ears. It’s elementary to see what percentage of the USSR budget was in those very years when oil was cheap:

                  http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=36212
            2. vvu-globus
              vvu-globus 30 January 2016 22: 01
              +1
              And the buck is 63 penny.
            3. mav1971
              mav1971 31 January 2016 20: 39
              0
              Quote: vvu-globus
              And the buck is 63 penny.


              And how much did a foreign ruble cost, for example, in Kuibyshev, do you know?

              My uncle in the 80's worked on construction sites in Iraq. Many then from the Kuibyshev construction trust 11 worked in Iraq, Libya.
              and so, businessmen bought up a foreign exchange ruble at 3-4 rubles apiece.
              So that later in Birch they could buy foreign goods.
          2. mahor
            mahor 31 January 2016 05: 23
            +1
            Quote: Pilgrim07
            and in the end, where is the USSR now?
            do not forget, with the scoop we bought wheat ... for currency. and oil then cost 8 bucks.

            Wheat is a big question. For the most part it was a scam on a heap of money from the budget ... drinks
          3. mav1971
            mav1971 31 January 2016 20: 47
            0
            Quote: mahor
            Quote: Pilgrim07
            and in the end, where is the USSR now?
            do not forget, with the scoop we bought wheat ... for currency. and oil then cost 8 bucks.

            Wheat is a big question. For the most part it was a scam on a heap of money from the budget ... drinks


            No scam.
            Everything is simple to the commonplace.
            AND STUPID!
            Stupidity raised to the extreme.

            Wheat sent to us without fail was then treated with pesticides and liquid fertilizers.
            in order to exterminate harmful insects alien to our nature in the first place (remember the Colorado potato beetle).
            Secondly, increase germination and yield.
            Useful business? Of course.
            Indeed, only high-quality seed wheat was actually bought. With gigantic productivity in Canada and the USA. They bought it expensively.
            But.
            Upon arrival at the collective farms and state farms - she began to slowly plunder on personal farmsteads.
            It was then the norm.
            Feed your cattle with state grain.
            And take the cattle and even begin to die.
            Start to weed.
            They tried to ruin this wheat by hook or by crook.
            and she did not live to see the seed.

            And all the dollars spent were simply thrown out.
            That is the truth of life.
      2. atalef
        atalef 30 January 2016 19: 45
        0
        Quote: Sirocco
        To me and now all this on BA_RA_BA_NU

        and I hi
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 30 January 2016 17: 02
      10
      And about oil for $ 80 - the same thing.
      Our Israeli friend decided to throw a little bit of dermets on the fan hi Naturally only to maintain a conversation ...
    3. co-creator
      co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 09
      +4
      Quote: atalef
      And about oil for $ 80 - the same thing.

      So he was right. Slate is dead. The Saudis first introduced taxes. By the way, Russia is the first in oil production and our contribution to the fall in prices is very large.
      1. Fat
        Fat 31 January 2016 00: 09
        0
        Quotation: blooded man
        By the way, Russia is the first in oil production and our contribution to the fall in prices is very large.

        - ?. The fact that CA and RF are the leaders in sales of crude oil of average quality does not mean anything. While it was profitable - they mined and sold, this is logical. When speculative opportunities were exhausted, the price fell. Although there are only 10-15% of real oil in trading, "futures", etc. transactions on stock exchanges - the speculation of exchange players, and not on the RTS. They knew that URALS really costs $ 30-40, so they "floated" ...
  • kuz363
    kuz363 30 January 2016 18: 04
    +5
    For the attention of amateurs. Overhaul of the main pipelines is carried out without stopping the existing pipeline. As a specialist, I can tell you how to do it. To do this, a new pipeline is laid in parallel with the existing pipeline, then hydro tests are carried out. At the end of construction, they choose the time for a scheduled stop (usually 1 time per month). Then cut off the ends of the old pipeline and connect the ends of the new. And put into operation. In fact, the overhaul is like building a new one, only along an adjacent highway. But besides this, they also replace the long-distance power lines, electrochemical protection, valves, telemechanics ... Apart from replacing equipment at compressor stations.
    1. fif21
      fif21 30 January 2016 22: 42
      0
      Quote: kuz363
      As a specialist, I can tell you how to do it.
      Then, as a specialist, tell me what is the warranty period for the operation of a gas pipeline (MG)? And in what year did this period expire?
    2. mahor
      mahor 31 January 2016 05: 28
      0
      Quote: kuz363
      For the attention of amateurs. Overhaul of the main pipelines is carried out without stopping the existing pipeline. As a specialist, I can tell you how to do it. To do this, a new pipeline is laid in parallel with the existing pipeline, then hydro tests are carried out. At the end of construction, they choose the time for a scheduled stop (usually 1 time per month). Then cut off the ends of the old pipeline and connect the ends of the new. And put into operation. In fact, the overhaul is like building a new one, only along an adjacent highway. But besides this, they also replace the long-distance power lines, electrochemical protection, valves, telemechanics ... Apart from replacing equipment at compressor stations.


      And should we give money for this again? Let him build it and then pay for transit and theft of gas ... bully
  • hrapon
    hrapon 30 January 2016 16: 59
    +7
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.


    In principle, it is possible to save the gas pipeline, which Gabriel is asking for, but then Ukraine will not be saved ...
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 30 January 2016 18: 11
      +5
      Yes, you don’t have to get hurt because of the Ukrainian GTS. It is one thing when, at the initiative of Russia, gas supplies cease with all the consequences in the form of fines. And another - if the fault of Ukraine due to the deterioration of the GTS. There already the head should hurt in Ukraine, the USA or the EU, but certainly not in Russia. And if it succeeds, then there is more chance to cross out Ukraine as a transit country. Here the EU will not protect it either.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 30 January 2016 18: 06
    +4
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.

    Well, not so simple laughing
    How much does Ukraine owe American investors there? And the IMF? Ukraine's gas transportation system has not yet been redeemed by its "twin brothers" from the USA? wassat Do you think Angel is straining for the sake of Europe? laughing Schaz !!!
    The interests of the United States in controlling the gas pipeline of Ukraine, as a political and economic lever for the Russian Federation and the EU. And the GTS itself of the Americoses will be repaired, so long as gas goes under a long-term contract, on US terms. Here Angela again "crustacean" and put, and she apparently herself is not averse laughing
    1. ver_
      ver_ 31 January 2016 04: 37
      +1
      ... if a certain dwarf independent state is formed on the territory of Urina and generally cuts this pipe on its territory - the question will be decided immediately ...
  • BilliBoms09
    BilliBoms09 30 January 2016 20: 33
    +3
    If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.
    Russia made it clear that after 2019, after the contract expires, the transit contract will not be extended. And gas delivery will be a consumer problem, i.e. Of Europe.
    1. fif21
      fif21 30 January 2016 22: 48
      0
      Quote: BilliBoms09
      after the contract expires - the transit contract will not be extended
      And whatever Merkel does not decide, but it is necessary to "Approve"! So Frau will have to finance Euro-Ukraine herself! And she is stingy with money and will not support Petyunya.
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  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 31 January 2016 04: 37
    0
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    If we take into account the deterioration of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, then the issue of transit can be decided by itself.


    Themselves and bend. But what a deep concern! And let's impose a sanction - until the women of your women stop fucking with impunity, we will not supply gas to you. We will survive, but here you are, well, these are the very ones, huh? No, this is how disgusting it is for a Russian peasant, HOW CAN YOU SUCH A NEW YEAR for some women to humiliate our women? An hour or two the number goes through, then we’ll start to feel the babaev in sensitive places, and, um, some of them will tap from the heart, so that they could go home quickly and quickly ... They also drive a long time through the head, and also e2-e4.
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 30 January 2016 12: 54
    33
    Quote: Baikonur
    Here are the Bastards-Hans! ultimatums are probing! With the help of vice gansler!
    I feel that if this happens, then ours will kick this topic with indignant exclamations and as a result, when it’s already forgotten, they AGREE (as if with some conditions, such as those conquered by our valiant gas diplomats led by the “excellent” Miller benefit of Russia!)
    As with 3 lards, as well as with other similar "Victories".

    In short, they kick us, but we type get stronger! Hurray, comrades! Hooray!


    Yes to us what? Let them themselves conclude an agreement with the Ukrainians on the transit of gas to them, they pay themselves, making sure that they don’t pi ... (steal), and we will sell gas under the DAF conditions the border of Russia-Ukraine ... request
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 January 2016 13: 21
      27
      The pipe is on fire and no one wants to invest in it, but Ukrainians have no money and everyone understands why they should give the country 404 an instrument of pressure, now we need to calm down "public opinion", finish building SP.2, and then everything will fall into place. ..Ukraine will be offered - do you want to be an exporter? repair the pipe, but we will not give you money, look for it yourself ... and that's it.
      1. atalef
        atalef 30 January 2016 13: 51
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        The pipe is on fire and no one wants to invest in it, but Ukrainians have no money and everyone understands why they should give the country 404 an instrument of pressure, now we need to calm down "public opinion", finish building SP.2, and then everything will fall into place. ..Ukraine will be offered - do you want to be an exporter? repair the pipe, but we will not give you money, look for it yourself ... and that's it.

        I don’t know, but only one pipe goes through Ukraine?
        1. TiRex
          TiRex 30 January 2016 13: 57
          +9
          not one, there’s a network since the days of the USSR
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 January 2016 14: 15
            13
            A gas pipeline is a whole engineering and technical complex, consisting not only of pipelines, but of many different stations and storage facilities for transit.
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            2. PKK
              PKK 30 January 2016 17: 27
              0
              I think that the pipes will last another ten years. It is not audible that the pipes would thin around Ukraine. If the pipes were torn, there would always be accidents. And there would be a lot of screaming. But there is silence, so the pipes are still breathing.
              1. fif21
                fif21 30 January 2016 23: 04
                0
                Quote: PKK
                I think that the pipes will survive another ten years
                1. There are SNiPs and Regulations. And when it starts to "tear" it will be too late.2. With the destruction of industry in Ukraine, the need for gas will sharply decrease. Ukraine is the height of cynicism hi
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        2. gjv
          gjv 30 January 2016 18: 59
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          I don’t know, but only one pipe goes through Ukraine?

          Are you joking? bully


          Natural gas flows to Ukraine through 22 trunk pipelines (Soyuz, Progress, Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod, etc.), and goes beyond Ukraine - by 15. The length of the gas pipelines is 37,1 thousand km, including 14 thousand km - pipelines of the largest diameter (1020-1420 mm).
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 31 January 2016 20: 50
            0
            The map is not entirely correct. Ukraine has an extra territory. Regarding the transit after 2019, I think Miller for an extra penny (dollar or euro) ... As Marx said, "with 300% profit, there is no such crime that capital would not go to."
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    3. bald
      bald 30 January 2016 15: 16
      -4
      "Yes, what is it to us?" .... Of course, we will continue to provide it with subsidies! She spits - we're wiping ourselves! And what? -we have already got used to it and taught us to answer loudly, in a lackey's way: "- thank you, thank you for buying gas!" Our cities and villages are not entitled to gas (buy gas from your own toilet on wooden roads). Yes to us what? Yes?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 30 January 2016 15: 56
        +1
        Quote: bald
        "Yes, what is it to us?" .... Of course, we will continue to provide it with subsidies! She spits - we're wiping ourselves! And what? -we have already got used to it and taught us to answer loudly, in a lackey's way: "- thank you, thank you for buying gas!" Our cities and villages are not entitled to gas (buy gas from your own toilet on wooden roads). Yes to us what? Yes?

        You are not bald. You're stupid, hike .. minus mine, if that.

        And, (damn it, you can't swear on the site - it's a pity) - don't speak FOR ME, speak for yourself .. "They taught us" - they taught YOU .. and ME - nope .. understand?
  • Yura
    Yura 30 January 2016 13: 35
    18
    Quote: Baikonur
    Here are the Bastards-Hans! ultimatums are probing! With the help of vice gansler!

    It seems to me that they just calm down Ukraine, Poland and others, in fact, for the Germans, the main thing is that the process goes on, that is, concrete construction, etc. not that and that is not so for you, if you go where the Russians will send you, and where they will send you ask them, they know better. "
  • just exp
    just exp 30 January 2016 13: 41
    20
    1 nobody 3 lard did not forgive.
    they played their game trying to substitute the West and the West did not fall for it, because unlike the Homoks, he knows the real state of affairs, and not that the journalist hired by the State Department write.
    2 agree only if the conditions are mutually beneficial, if we give in to something, then we give in to something, otherwise
    we see how we concede in the photo
    1. aba
      aba 30 January 2016 14: 23
      10
      To be correct, the original photo looks like this:
      1. just exp
        just exp 30 January 2016 14: 54
        +2
        I saw both options. so it can at first one, they say pay, and then what will happen if you do not pay.
        although of course this is not accepted in politics.
        1. aba
          aba 30 January 2016 15: 07
          +1
          I don’t believe that both options were taken at face value, since even with serial shooting there are differences between frames. Here everything is identical to the smallest detail. except for the gesture. So fake, definitely. But why DO WE NEED IT WITH YOU ?!
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 14
            +4
            Quote: aba
            I don’t believe that both options were taken at face value, since even with serial shooting there are differences between frames. Here everything is identical to the smallest detail. except for the gesture. So fake, definitely. But why DO WE NEED IT WITH YOU ?!

            Neighing laughing
            Look how the head of the energy company reports to the president of the country who sings about the warrior from the Russian Federation. So feik with f-a-com to the point.
            1. aba
              aba 30 January 2016 18: 48
              +1
              So it is necessary to warn that a joke, I might not begin to minus. wink
              Otherwise ...
              Sorry, uncle! (from) winked
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 30 January 2016 15: 37
    +4
    But what if he agrees to supply gas to the border with hohland, and then we sell it to a German concern and let it drag it across Ukraine, moreover, gas is only for Moldova, Bulgaria and Slovakia. let Ukrainians remove the price of transit from Europe, I wonder how many Germans will tolerate Ukrainians requests?
  • co-creator
    co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 02
    +3
    Quote: Baikonur
    In short, they kick us, but we type get stronger! Hurray, comrades! Hooray!

    What is the kick actually? SV-2 still did not cover all the needs. Well, let’s leave a purely symbolic transit, but blackmail doesn’t work out. We shut down any blackmail and gas and fill SV-2 FULL.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 31 January 2016 08: 53
    0
    Eaten face, sausages with beer ...
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 30 January 2016 12: 32
    33
    "The implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project is possible only if the Yamal pipeline and transit through Ukraine are preserved after 2019," Gabriel said.

    Well no, no. Buy American or Qatari LNG, what. After all, you have a lot of extra money.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 30 January 2016 12: 39
      29
      "The implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project is possible only if the Yamal pipeline and transit through Ukraine are preserved after 2019"

      Blackmailing in vain ... (we can freak out))) And we will deal with the "brothers" brotherly, behind closed doors ... The yells and sounds of blows will not be heard! hi
    2. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 30 January 2016 12: 40
      41
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Well, no, no .. Buy American or Qatari LNG, what. You have a lot of money.


      Yes, I think this is just information stuffing! The Germans are well aware of all the benefits for themselves from Nord Stream 2! But because of the Eurotollerance and Brussels bureaucrats, as well as the Baltic and Polish mongrels, who will finally lose their influence, they make such statements! Does anyone really believe that the fate of the transit through the Ruin really worries the German burghers ?!
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 30 January 2016 13: 38
        +9
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        that the fate of transit through Ruin really bothers the German burghers ?!

        Most of all, mutually beneficial cooperation between Germany and Russia infuriates the SGA and arrogant Saxons! This tandem (economic) never satisfied them!
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 30 January 2016 14: 07
          10
          Quote: Tol100v
          Most of all, mutually beneficial cooperation between Germany and Russia infuriates the SGA and arrogant Saxons! This tandem (economic) never satisfied them!

          ... not only economic .. remember when we had Poland for three with Austria and Prussia .. where the next Polish government in exile traditionally sat in London .. hi
      2. atalef
        atalef 30 January 2016 13: 52
        0
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Well, no, no .. Buy American or Qatari LNG, what. You have a lot of money.


        Yes, I think this is just information stuffing! The Germans are well aware of all the benefits for themselves from Nord Stream 2! But because of the Eurotollerance and Brussels bureaucrats, as well as the Baltic and Polish mongrels, who will finally lose their influence, they make such statements! Does anyone really believe that the fate of the transit through the Ruin really worries the German burghers ?!

        Merkel said this is a political decision
        1. cap
          cap 30 January 2016 15: 14
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Merkel said this is a political decision


          “German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted the complete failure of attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany. According to DW-WORLD, with such a statement she made on Saturday at a meeting of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) youth organization in Potsdam.
          “The head of government demanded that immigrants learn German and integrate into German society. "Those who want to become a part of our society must not only abide by our laws, but also speak our language," said Merkel. "
          “At the same time, the chancellor emphasized the need for immigration to Germany, especially of qualified specialists. According to her, 200 thousand Germans retire annually, which creates a shortage of labor in the country. At the same time, Merkel noted that immigrants should be contacted only when all the necessary measures have been taken to improve the skills and employment of German citizens. ”
          15:12, October 17, 2010
          Years passed, where did they come ??
          January 7, 2016
          Migrants could not leave the railway station and "celebrated a holiday" near the central Cathedral of the city - fights, thefts and violence against women [photo, video]
          "The author of the protocol calls the incident at the central cathedral of Cologne" chaos "and claims that the state has lost control over the migration policy of the city"
          “- The situation on New Year's Eve was“ dirty and shameful ”, - writes the author of the report. - I have not experienced this in 29 years of service. We expected that there would be a large number of wounded and killed. Only by a miracle did we manage to avoid this ... "
          Ms. Merkel may be wrong, moreover ...
          "German Chancellor Angela Merkel plans to resign much earlier than the time of the next elections to the Bundestag. The politician, who will soon celebrate his 60th birthday, deliberately intends to go to a well-deserved retirement at the very peak of her career," writes today, July 14, a German magazine Der Spiegel, citing his sources in government and party circles in Germany. "Http://by24.org/2014/07/14/angela_merkel_dreaming_about_p
          ension_c
          oming_soon /
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 30 January 2016 16: 50
            +2
            Quote: cap
            "German Chancellor Angela Merkel plans to retire much earlier than the next elections to the Bundestag. The politician, who will soon celebrate his 60th birthday, deliberately intends to retire at the very height of her career.

            From the word "Piquet"?
          2. PKK
            PKK 30 January 2016 17: 35
            +3
            What a naive madam it is. Zaprudit country with young bandits and expect mutual tolerance from them !! She is completely inadequate.
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        2. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 30 January 2016 15: 20
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Merkel said this is a political decision


          Merkel soon flies completely out of power.
          Gabriel announced two months ago at 10.00:16.35 that he was a candidate for the post of chancellor in the next elections. And at XNUMX he flew to Moscow to negotiate with Putin. I personally saw how I poured. And before that, the radio was "torn" that Gabriel announced himself as a candidate. (on the way to the airport)
          For me, everything is simple, it means two more months have agreed. And now you need to "drive the wave" a little
        3. bannik
          bannik 30 January 2016 20: 19
          +1
          It’s clear that it’s political. Whose only? Since when did Frau dare to make independent political decisions?
      3. hrapon
        hrapon 30 January 2016 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Well, no, no .. Buy American or Qatari LNG, what. You have a lot of money.


        Yes, I think this is just information stuffing! The Germans are well aware of all the benefits for themselves from Nord Stream 2! But because of the Eurotollerance and Brussels bureaucrats, as well as the Baltic and Polish mongrels, who will finally lose their influence, they make such statements! Does anyone really believe that the fate of the transit through the Ruin really worries the German burghers ?!


        This should be agreed. However, it was high time for Gazprom (this national treasure) to take measures to ensure that the main revenue was brought not by export, but by internal contracts. Now is the time to announce large-scale plans and investments in the development of infrastructure of the domestic market and consumption. Take care not of import, but of export substitution. Then it would be amusing to look at the gentlemen of Gabriel and others like him.
  • dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 30 January 2016 12: 36
    11
    Blackmail. Lavrov said that we will cooperate only on equal and mutually beneficial terms. I don't think that the 404 gas pipeline is beneficial to us. hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 13: 52
      -4
      Quote: dr.Bo
      Blackmail. Lavrov said that we will cooperate only on equal and mutually beneficial terms. I don't think that the 404 gas pipeline is beneficial to us. hi

      What?
      1. TiRex
        TiRex 30 January 2016 14: 05
        +8
        permanent losses (either stolen or underpaid) cover all the benefits of operating a long-built one, and as a vector of pressure on Russia, he doesn’t like ours, Gazprom now has a claim to Ukraine for an astronomical amount of more than $ 30 billion
        “As of today, the total amount of monetary claims filed by Gazprom in the claim with reference to the take-or-pay clause is $ 26,7 billion and applies to the period from 2012 to 2014. In addition, Gazprom offered Naftogaz "To pay $ 2,5 billion for the third quarter of 2015 with reference to this provision," - said in the commentary of Naftogaz. "
        And if we add to this a $ 3 billion loan and "As for the debt guaranteed by the state (Ukraine) to state-controlled Russian banks, at the beginning of 2015 it consisted of $ 500 million debt to Gazprombank, $ 474,9 million to Sberbank. Russia and $ 146,9 million - to VTB Capital. "
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 30 January 2016 15: 42
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        What?

        And you still ask? Constant non-payment for gas, and if we turn it off, then theft from a transit gas pipe, while constant attempts to politically blackmail us with this pipe, and the last fortune with a double increase in transit prices is worth it!
        Naturally, mutually beneficial cooperation with such a "partner" will not work.
      3. co-creator
        co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 18
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        What?

        Because constant blackmail. You do not believe in Hamas and do not think the contract with them is profitable.
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 30 January 2016 12: 37
    +8
    Quote: bort4145
    Admiral Kolchak, once occupying another city, said: "Do not touch the artists, prostitutes and coachmen. They serve any government."
    It is interesting to which of these categories modern officials belong (and in all countries)?

    At any. Moreover, they make up the backbone.
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 January 2016 12: 54
    +5
    To the first two at the same time !! )))
  • zanoza
    zanoza 30 January 2016 13: 55
    +6
    Rather, it is necessary to transfer gas flows to Asia. And send the West to ... with their blackmail and pro-Ukrainian policy in gas supplies. They dictated the conditions for dictation. Need gas, buy without any political conditions. Help the plaguey in Khokhlostan with your money, but we don’t have to make us fill the treasury of Dill.
  • yushch
    yushch 30 January 2016 14: 33
    +4
    Transit can also be saved if the volume of gas that will pass through the gas transportation system of Ukraine is not specified in the agreement on SP-2. The minimum volume can easily be justified by the wear and tear of the Ukrsinsk GTS.
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 30 January 2016 16: 53
    +3
    "The implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project is only possible if the pipeline that supplies gas to Eastern Europe is preserved."

    You can save now. Till. And what will happen to him through 3-4 of the year? And what will happen to the EU economy and the EU itself through 3-4 of the year? Nobody knows.
  • SSR
    SSR 30 January 2016 18: 10
    +2
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...

    So what is it about. Nemchina refuses the second branch to Germany and demands to leave transit through the Ruin, and our back in 2015 announced that they WILL NOT sign any more contracts through Ruin! And they offered the Europeans to independently seek alternative routes at a rate! If put on prevention, then the first line of the northern stream. Let the burgher think and preferably in cold weather.

    Russia stops gas transit through Ukraine
    vlasti.net ›news / 209648
    Russia closes gas transit to Europe through Ukraine. ... He added that now the countries of Central Europe are faced with the question of further actions.

  • kil 31
    kil 31 30 January 2016 12: 33
    30
    You can drive our gas in SP 1 and SP 2. You can drive Kazakhstan gas through the old pipe, like dill they want. We will receive money for transit, and let Kazakhstan suffer with dill payment for gas.
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 30 January 2016 12: 46
      10
      As an option, why not ?!
    2. Nord2015
      Nord2015 30 January 2016 14: 53
      +4
      Quote: keel 31
      You can drive Kazakhstan through the old pipe, like dill and want. We will receive money for transit, and let Kazakhstan suffer with dill payment for gas.

      And to take the price for transit the same as Ukraine wants from us.
  • pvv113
    pvv113 30 January 2016 12: 38
    19
    And repairs can go on indefinitely wink
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 30 January 2016 12: 49
      13
      Of course, as an example, the Druzhba oil pipeline towards Klaipeda !!! Permanent renovation ... well worn out, not safe ... laughing
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 30 January 2016 15: 16
        +7
        Quote: olegfbi
        Of course, as an example, the Druzhba oil pipeline towards Klaipeda !!! Permanent renovation ... well worn out, not safe ... laughing

        .. absolutely right .. hi .. they didn’t sell the "strong hindsight litas" to us Mazekiai, they sold it to the Poles .. the pipe is locked .. now they are being carried by tankers from Primorsk .. laughing
    2. gg.na
      gg.na 30 January 2016 14: 25
      +6
      there may not be workers for repair repeat , technicians what necessary money finally wink ! wassat And so in a circle! Roly house, Senka not, Senka home, Roly not request !
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 30 January 2016 12: 41
    +9
    When the gas pipeline is put into operation, Germany will not go anywhere, but we will cut off the Urotrub.
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 30 January 2016 12: 42
    16
    Well, here .... and they twisted the inside of the Germans with the nemchikov. And so they puffed themselves up and beat themselves in the chest ... o-e-her ... I just want to say - to you, sir, what sadness from the Ukrainian GTS? belay
    Oh, and you are a rogue, a rascal! ... Come on, you burghers to the damn grandmother with such advice ... to Frau Merkel ie ... for who will repair this pipe, and Fritz? We? Yes, not in a life... No.
    You want, here you pay for the Maidan, which you arranged for the repair of the pipe that no one served for all the independence, and pay for gas for Svidomo from the budget of Germany, because we don’t need Russophobes. Bandera, NATO, American and Svidomo Ukraine does not support us to smile ... from the word at all. negative
    Without gas, this metal is not needed by anyone, okromya Svidomo junta.
    Balts the pipelines of Russian companies were grabbed ... and scho? Yes, nothing, there is neither fuel oil, nor diesel, nor other oil products ... left at the broken pipe ... poke Russophobe face into the pipe ... and in return, emptiness ... winked
    And soon Germany, with such idiocy in thinking, will remain with one single stream ... with a stream of refugees from all over BV ... winked
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 30 January 2016 12: 52
    +6
    You can promise all that they require, for three years, a lot of water will leak. You look and Gelka will no longer be in the Chancellor, and Ukraine may not become, and Poland will already be one of the closest (in the sense of geography) transit countries.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 30 January 2016 12: 54
    13
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...

    Or you can promise. And then forget about the promise. We have been promised all kinds of nishtyaks! One promise about the non-expansion of NATO is worth it! So remember all the Western "promises" ...

    After all, the Vice Chancellor will not invent anything himself - he probes public opinion before Merkelikha declares it. Everything goes from her, and her instructions from Washington are deliberate ...

    But Merkelikha in general moved out of her way - SO to work against Germany, fulfilling the political order of the USA! Looks like they are a pastoral daughter. on kukan hold, a good piece of paper lies somewhere in a safe in America! A type of subscription for the collaboration of Stasi informers Angela Kasner and her dad Kasner .... And dad also has the secret confession to the same Stasi ...

    This Merkel in general a vivid example to young people - think that you are doing in your youth. It is not known how life will turn around - so it is necessary that no one steers you in old age and that there is no shame for youth. In general, N. Ostrovsky had already written about this ... She hoped to be the Secretary General of the SED, command the GDR, began to pave the way with her breasts - and it turned out just like that - she had to become chancellor of all of Germany, she hated communism and Russia from office ... You will not guess ...
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 30 January 2016 13: 20
      +7
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      began to pave the way with breasts

      ... breasts?
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 January 2016 18: 17
        +5
        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        began to pave the way with breasts

        ... breasts?

        Apparently - what just did not pave ...
    2. natakor1949
      natakor1949 30 January 2016 17: 38
      +3
      Oh well. And what do you say, gentlemen, when in a month your brothers from the outskirts will start pumping out your gas, as in 2009, eh? You can go crazy from the statements of this postmenopausal frau, she will tell us to whom to sell, through which countries to conduct gas flows, the old woman and the Europa have lost their fear. Where is our friend Schroeder - a smart man, he took care of his country, he didn’t go to the amers, he would not allow so many migrants, and "Stream - 2" would have been built long ago.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 January 2016 13: 13
    12
    "Vice-Chancellor: Germany will approve Nord Stream 2 if transit through Ukraine is preserved"
    And he "Vice-Chancellor" hesitates to ask if he knows where UKRAINE?
    99% of Germans, when asked where are you from?
    I replied from UKRAINE. And, where are they? I, jokingly replied "südlich von japan" South of Japan! And with pathos added 8 days by bus to go to you! And that's all "From that yes !!!! So long and hard!
    And I, yes.

    .
  • poacher
    poacher 30 January 2016 13: 20
    13
    the more I read and watch these gas wars, and one thought comes up every time, why should I care how much Miler and his team earn? I live in Sakhalin, we also produce gas, and I only see it in Chinese cylinders, wherever Someone leaves, so why should I worry about someone’s pocket?
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 30 January 2016 14: 33
      +9
      Voooot, I, too, am for all of Europe to refuse our gas flatly, maybe then Gazprom will pay attention to the domestic market. and that offensive gas in the Far East seems to be there, but it seems to be gone
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 31 January 2016 03: 56
        +1
        That's interesting, nine pluses, one minus. This is probably one of the managers of Gazprom noted?
        Peacocks, you say? Xhe. (Comrade Sukhov)
    2. bald
      bald 30 January 2016 15: 44
      +6
      Finally I see healthy speech! -Everyone is so preoccupied with Millerovo's pocket and pipes that they are taken aback. Russia itself could stock up gas in cans and, as a hostess, sell it under the catchy name "gas from Siberia", but no, it’s not enough, or the money should be sent to the cordon rather than half. But it is even more interesting at gas stations in Russia .-We sell oil in the EU at a price 10 times less than before. But we left the internal prices unchanged! How our racial gentlemen love that .... to fuck!
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 31 January 2016 04: 03
        +1
        So we all do it. For example, Sberbank- in Germany, the same Sberbank gives loans at less than 2% per annum, and in Russia you can’t get loans for less than 16% (no, of course you can’t compare poor Germans and wealthy Russians, but there’s only one bank!)
    3. almen1
      almen1 31 January 2016 15: 27
      0
      I live 1 km from the gas pipeline, no one plans to carry gas to our village, so I don’t give a damn about Gazprom.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 30 January 2016 13: 42
    +6
    fregina1
    We must begin to build a joint venture 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ....

    ... because Dill ... the transit country ... violates the terms of the contract so many times, starting with theft, that ten decisions to terminate cooperation will be enough ...
    Now we tolerate this only because there is no other option !!! But to pay fines and penalties to Europe - there will not be enough pants in the Russian Federation! ... So we put up with it ...
  • mg1503
    mg1503 30 January 2016 13: 44
    +3
    No need to send anyone anywhere. Everything is very simple. It is necessary to build a SP-2, and when it goes into operation, make an advance payment to everyone and in case of non-payment according to the contract, to block transit through Ukraine, everything will be according to the law. Europe is obliged to coordinate all reverses with Russia and make an advance payment. No deceit - pure business.
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 30 January 2016 14: 50
      +2
      Well, why prepay? There are contracts, they have validity periods, the contract has ended and there has been a strike And under the new contract, get gas on another hub. Yes, and transit through Ukraine can be saved - prescribe the amount of transit in the contract BEFORE 1lard cubic meters. Well, as all telecom operators do- Up to 1 Mbit / s under the contract, in reality - 0 and tenths hell, and the demand is what- everything matches the letter of the contract- zero, this is also up to 1 Mbit / s - only the upper limit is limited
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 30 January 2016 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: fregina1
    it will be possible to transit a famous country and to send

    And will you pay fines for non-performance of the contract? If you consider the enemy a fool, you yourself will remain fools. The Germans can coordinate the conclusion of contracts for SP2 and for Yamal after 2019. There is still time, something will be thought up ....
  • Sura
    Sura 30 January 2016 14: 08
    +3
    Soon they will finish the pipe to China and the countries closest to it, the prices there are higher than we are driving to Europe and there will be gas for the remainder, they will run with gas cylinders for us and immediately all the show-offs will end.
    1. TiRex
      TiRex 30 January 2016 14: 34
      -5
      prices there (in China and nearby) are lower and much lower ...
  • Blondy
    Blondy 30 January 2016 14: 22
    +5
    Russia must ... Russia owes something to Germany or the European Union? So all this is casually pronounced: we owe them ... Ubernsheny fucking. We can also recall who owes what and to whom.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 30 January 2016 15: 26
    +3
    Quote: fregina1
    .there may be a transit country known and on to send ......

    That's right!
    In addition, the Germans understand everything perfectly. if Nord Stream-2 were not needed, then they would not bother.
    But gas transit, let’s say to Slovakia and Moldova, can be preserved. wink Only let gas recipients conclude contracts with ukrami at their own peril and risk. And if suddenly "light forces" come to power in Ukraine and, if, it does not fall apart soon, and, if, it will be profitable to transit gas through its gas transportation system, then, of course, you can save it somewhere else. Competition in entom business is always not superfluous.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 January 2016 15: 50
    +2
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...

    It is necessary to look at the map.
    Transit through Ukraine cannot be stopped at all, even though ours scared. There are no other opportunities to receive gas to such countries as Moldova and Bulgaria.
    Just after the construction of SP2, you can increase the pumping towards the EU for good behavior or reduce it to the level of consumption of the two countries
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 16: 07
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Just after the construction of SP2, you can increase the pumping towards the EU for good behavior or reduce it to the level of consumption of the two countries

      Yes, there is no role.
      Ukraine now does not buy gas in Russia - absolutely. And nothing.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 30 January 2016 17: 47
        +4
        Ukraine now does not buy gas in Russia - absolutely. And nothing.
        Are you sure about that?? Slovak reverse gas from where and whose is it in fact? And the gas in the storages that Ukraine is currently heating in, where did it come from in these storages? I understand that most of your messages are banal trolling and provocations ....... but still
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 30 January 2016 20: 51
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, there is no role. Ukraine now does not buy gas in Russia - absolutely. And nothing

        Whether Ukraine will buy gas or not from Gazprom, this has nothing to do with the matter. This is Russia's responsibility to third countries that currently have no alternative.
        And with gas purchased by Ukraine now, as in a saying ................... you are an adult, even if you don’t get fooled by the snowstorm
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 30 January 2016 17: 31
      +3
      Bulgaria at one time abandoned South Stream altogether, so what are the questions? "To spite my grandmother, I'll frostbite my ears"? Therefore, about Bulgaria, we shouldn't have a headache at all. And we need to think about Moldova. It is not known, maybe they are going to Romania thoroughly! So let their head hurt about the gas!
  • Archon
    Archon 30 January 2016 15: 52
    +2
    Yes. And during the "repair" (painting) part of the pipe located on the territory of Ukraine will be brutally sawn and plundered for scrap. And on this the problem will be solved by itself.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 30 January 2016 16: 53
    0
    And then we will have diversion and transit through the outskirts will become impossible due to protests by the environmental community.
  • vodolaz
    vodolaz 30 January 2016 17: 04
    +1
    So what's the problem? The transit can and will remain, the question is in volumes and conditions.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 30 January 2016 17: 53
    0
    You, sender, think first with your head, and then wave your saber
  • Persistent
    Persistent 30 January 2016 18: 04
    +5
    Sorry hi , the latest news from Murmansk - Russia's response to tolerant Europe ... (clickable)
  • viktor561
    viktor561 30 January 2016 21: 32
    0
    At the same time, the head of Gazprom Alexei Miller has repeatedly emphasized that there will be no unprofitable gas transit through Ukraine. wink - Well, let’s set 0000.1 rubles per 1000 cube, let them transit for that money - we have the right
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  • Valdis
    Valdis 30 January 2016 22: 50
    0
    This is not technically possible and no one will take such a step. You need to have a minimal understanding of the "pipe" and the system of stations.
  • mahor
    mahor 31 January 2016 05: 19
    0
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...


    The fact is that no one invests money in the gas transportation system of Ukraine for repairs, and by 2019 there may well be wear and tear to such a state that the issue will die by itself ... bully
  • skeptic
    skeptic 31 January 2016 08: 52
    0
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...


    It’s better to put Europe before the fact that nothing else will go through the urine, and without SP-2 and SP-1 it can become for preventive maintenance, for an indefinite period of time.
  • svp67
    svp67 31 January 2016 10: 00
    0
    Quote: fregina1
    It is necessary to start building JV 2 ....... when it is ready ....... it will be possible to transit a well-known country and to send ...... to start repairing its part ...

    What the Germans are secretly hoping for, and this statement is just a "smoke screen" so that they do not interfere with the construction of "SP-2"
  • crumb
    crumb 31 January 2016 17: 32
    0
    but you can refer to the terrorists there-the damned blew !!!!
  • Sagittarius YaNAO
    Sagittarius YaNAO 31 January 2016 18: 11
    0
    There is no SP-2, Russia has no money for this, and in Europe there is no heat. What is more important in life?
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 30 January 2016 12: 29
    11
    "possible only if the pipeline is preserved"

    Yes, let it be. smile
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 30 January 2016 12: 29
    +4
    And if Ukraine does not survive?
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 30 January 2016 12: 55
      +3
      For this perspective and calculation. Less intermediaries - cheaper goods.
      1. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 30 January 2016 13: 03
        +4
        And still, strange logic - we approve deliveries bypassing the intermediary, only if transit through the intermediary is maintained. Why then do you need a SP-2 at all?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2016 12: 30
    13
    the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is possible only if ...

    Interesting people are German politicians. They need gas, and they set conditions that do not even concern Germany. Need gas - take it without any conditions in Ukraine. Not needed - take from Ukraine.
    1. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 12: 34
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Interesting people are German politicians.

      But you never know what they talk about. They were generally against the flow, now they are, but, while maintaining supplies across Ukraine ". Closer to 2019, they will simply yell -" Why don't build! " laughingThe main thing is to stir up an adult in Turkey, so that the probable deliveries from Iran would be stopped, the Iranians practically have a pipe to Turkey.
      1. just exp
        just exp 30 January 2016 13: 51
        +2
        and through which country do they have a pipe to Turkey?
        1. TiRex
          TiRex 30 January 2016 14: 38
          0
          actually they have a common border, but they will never agree, they are long-standing opponents ...
          1. just exp
            just exp 30 January 2016 14: 55
            -2
            Iran and Turkey have a common border? this is something new .
            1. just exp
              just exp 31 January 2016 03: 46
              0
              Oh, the minuses went, hospada minusers, please post a map of the border of Iran and Turkey.
              1. TiRex
                TiRex 31 January 2016 20: 01
                0
                and you look at the map and be surprised, the eastern border of Turkey is with Iran.

                http://tur.travel/images/stories/turkey/kurort/map/turkey.jpg
                1. just exp
                  just exp 31 January 2016 22: 58
                  0
                  damn it, it's my fault, I confess, I looked at something on the map there, everything was shown with flowers, Iran looked like a color like Iraq.
                  generally fair minus.
    2. alpamys
      alpamys 30 January 2016 12: 52
      +2
      Interesting people are German politicians. They need gas, and they set conditions that do not even concern Germany. Need gas - take it without any conditions in Ukraine. Not needed - take from Ukraine.


      themselves with them hu ... m, dibil on dibil.
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 30 January 2016 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Need gas - take it without any conditions in Ukraine.

      They would have taken yes, but who will give them, the Biden settled in Ukrneftegaz and they have their own share, so the Germans will have to share.
    4. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 30 January 2016 13: 53
      +3
      Well said: let them take gas from Ukraine.
      And the question of where Ukraine will be taken from is left open.
      She refuses Russian gas.
    5. faridg7
      faridg7 30 January 2016 14: 58
      +6
      Here is also a good option - to sell all the gas to Ukraine, and then let the Europeans outbid the Ukrainians, and transit will continue and Ukrainians on gas will rise and Europeans will grow wiser (well, maybe ... then)
  • sever.56
    sever.56 30 January 2016 12: 30
    21
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/287/aqqi423.png

    If Germany wants to choose this, instead of a stable gas supply
    at normal prices, in order to please your "tanned" master,
    - that is their right. They themselves are preparing an unenviable future. Let it be.
    I hope that the Russian leadership will also make the right political decision,
    and will not allow anyone even to try to bend themselves ... !!!
    They want to freeze - let them freeze. They want to pay exorbitantly for state or Qatari gas - let them pay!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 30 January 2016 13: 24
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      If Germany wants

      The arrows on the pressure gauges in your picture show the presence of pressure in the "pipe". D.b. 0 at 19 o'clock.
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 30 January 2016 15: 04
        +5
        Well, everything is logical - pressure gauges here are up to the valves, if the valve is closed, then there is pressure, which the pressure gauges
  • The black
    The black 30 January 2016 12: 32
    12
    Europe can demand anything, especially in words. But in fact, Germany and Westerners really need North Stream-2. The easterners muddied and muddied the waters, because to them it is "past the snout." USA from supports, tk. they themselves do not want to feed the project "Ukraine". So now there are continuous "ritual dances". The question is how much Germany and Western Europe will eventually bend under the United States.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 30 January 2016 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: Black
      The question is how eventually Germany and Western Europe will bend under the United States.

      They did not get angry with the French was like an attempt.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2016 12: 33
    +4
    So ukrokakly themselves abandoned our gas! Look, the Poles decided from Norway to pull the pipe (they wouldn’t only have torn), even if the great ones stretched from someone ... but they would rather stretch their legs. laughing
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 January 2016 12: 36
    +7
    The Yamal pipeline will remain intact, so why dig up rotten pipes? And we will supply gas to Ukraine if it pays. And there is no payment, no gas. And transit, this is such a thing, maybe there will not be enough gas, or saboteurs can sabotage, for all the will of the Lord, but going against the will of God is a sin. In short, everything can be.
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 16: 12
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      The Yamal pipeline will remain intact, so why dig up rotten pipes? And we will supply gas to Ukraine if it pays.

      Will not pay, Ukraine does not buy gas from Russia
      Quote: Ros 56
      But transit, this is such a thing, it may not be enough gas, or maybe saboteurs can make sabotage, for all the will of the Lord, but it’s a sin to go against the will of God. In short, everything can be

      Ukraine receives about a billion a year for transit, while the gas pipeline itself serves.
      The construction of SP-2, 12 billion, while the service, of course, falls on the shoulders of Gazprom (i.e. Russia) - and now calculate the payback time for this.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 31 January 2016 13: 21
        0
        Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
  • Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 30 January 2016 12: 36
    +2
    Well, if they put a certain amount of lard into this pipe (scrap metal) and they will erase their snot with their morons, why not transport it.
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 30 January 2016 12: 36
    +6
    "... but for Poland - a matter of politics ..."
    Here, just, for Poland this is not a political issue, it is a terrible fear, for the looming, icy asses of the Polish herd ahead! What the hell is politics ?! About business, I’m generally silent, the wimps ... !!! wink
  • olegfbi
    olegfbi 30 January 2016 12: 40
    +5
    Vice Chancellor: Germany approves "Nord Stream-2" if transit through Ukraine is maintained

    Here is the Clown!
    They dance exclusively to the tune of amers! There are no brains at all!
    The "brave" German essentially offers to feed the Banderaites at the expense of Russia and at the same time raise the prestige and economy of the Nemchura! X-n wait !!! am
    Why does Russia need the Nord Stream at all, if transit is maintained through today's ruin?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 January 2016 12: 43
    +7
    Something like this happens with us so far .... We will solve this problem soon! It takes time and patience ...
  • Stinger
    Stinger 30 January 2016 12: 43
    +3
    The pipeline will remain. To the joy of political Poles. They will, they will pump democracy from the EU to Russia. At the price set by the rabbit. Unless, of course, svidomye scrap metal
  • sichevik
    sichevik 30 January 2016 12: 45
    +3
    But it seems to me that the Germans say this to calm the ukrokhunta and the State Department. Like, we need a SP-2, but we won’t leave the outskirts without transit. And as soon as the SP-2 is employed, it will be deeply for us ... to the outskirts, its pipe, and the loss of money ...
  • chikenous59
    chikenous59 30 January 2016 12: 46
    +4
    Another statement by the German authorities, proving the dependence of politics on the instructions of the United States.
    How can this be stated? Perhaps today or tomorrow Ukraine will cease gas cooperation with the Russian Federation altogether.
    Who knows, "Bander"
    It’s time to start building an alternative gas pipeline, and Germany is sticking sticks in wheels. Vassals in a word request
  • 8140
    8140 30 January 2016 12: 46
    +1
    The caravan has to go. And nobody canceled technological accidents
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 30 January 2016 12: 47
    21
    I already somehow expressed my opinion on this matter. Everything is put in place by the usual statement of facts and a simple upholding of one’s interests.
    Say: Guys, jump, download, shout, threaten, blackmail, etc., but after the 19th year, Ukraine, as a transit country, ceases to exist. The capacity of, for example, "SP-1" and the Belarusian branch is 80 billion cubic meters, you can count on that much. Want more? - you have time until 19 to build either "SP-2" or other "streams". If you don't like it, take Ukraine to your balance and after 19 we will sell you as much gas as you need only at OUR border, and then you yourself agree and decide different transit fees, etc., and that's it. All other "proposals" on the terms of Europe are ignored.
    Cooling is coming and you need to develop your domestic market. For me, the personal interests of citizens are more important than the European rabble with their troubles and different conditions there. Gone are the days when we were commanded what to do ...
    This is the only way to talk, and not otherwise. We must sell our gas on our terms. But don’t like it, so let them freeze. And these agreements of the 90s, when we were obliged to play under conditions favorable to Europe, need to be covered up. Who needs it, let it move. And then too many conditions are already being set ... negative
    Personally, my opinion hi
    1. 97110
      97110 30 January 2016 14: 01
      -2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      We must sell our gas on our terms.

      Quote: Rurikovich
      Personally, my opinion

      I am embarrassed to ask, "we", which sell Russian gas on behalf of the joint-stock company (personnel hired by the shareholders, represented by the sole management body of the joint-stock company), and how do you intersect with your personal opinion? Just now there was information that "they" were forbidden to call themselves "the national treasure of Russia." Now "they" have the right to advertise their joint stock company as a "national treasure of Belarus"? And to trade "our", but already Belarusian gas? I apologize for my spitefulness, but the degree of your influence on geopolitics is very interesting.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 30 January 2016 14: 25
        +3
        Siim will answer: I personally consider myself Russian, because I was born in one country and speak the same language, therefore I express my vision of the problem. Well, personally, if I (hypothetically) possessed power, I would have done so.
        For me, the state of affairs that exists now has a negative perception in many respects. But since comments also imply the expression of my opinion, I express it, proceeding from such a state of affairs that would be closer to me in spirit.
        Personally, for Russia, I would like to dispose of my capabilities as it seems to me, to my people I would like to have closer relations with Russia, for no Europa will accept us (yes, they are disgusting to me with their cynicism and hypocrisy) and if I were already at the head countries (hypothetically) would have done so. For no small state without natural resources with today's cynical world will never be left alone. So it’s worth deciding. But this, again, is my personal opinion. And I proceed from common sense and at least a little, but I look into the future. But so far, no matter how much Lukashenka is scolded, we still have brains not to destroy what the grandfathers and fathers created. And the relationship between the departments concerned can be resolved somehow. Everything can be decided, only desire is needed hi
        1. 97110
          97110 30 January 2016 14: 54
          -1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          I express it, proceeding from such a state of affairs, which would be closer to me in spirit.
          Personally, I am for Russia

          That is, you have nothing to do with the leadership of Gazprom. But it's nice to write "we". You have to be more modest. I hope the minus is not yours?
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 30 January 2016 15: 47
            +3
            No, not mine smileFair. But it would be nice for the Gazprom management to really pay attention to the domestic market. And "we" refers to the country as a whole wink
  • pts-m
    pts-m 30 January 2016 12: 47
    +7
    Well, if the Germans strain such tolerant and heartbreaking tears of urine on the moralizing of Russia, then they can build their gas pipeline through the ruins and install product metering devices on the Russian border. And they’ll have a high flag in their hands along with control of these supplies.
  • Iskras
    Iskras 30 January 2016 12: 49
    +4
    In no case should you agree to a pipe through the Outskirts. They will continue to blackmail us. I propose an all-Russian referendum on whether we need such a pipe. Gazprom is a private organization, let it moderate its appetite.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 30 January 2016 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: IskraS
      "Gazprom "private organizationlet him die your appetite.

      A national treasure laughing
      By the way, Rosneft, where the president of the company is a close friend of Putin, pays 82% of its income in taxes.
      I doubt that Gazprom unfastens less.
      1. just exp
        just exp 30 January 2016 13: 54
        +2
        the state’s share in the gas industry is 51 percent, but in addition to these 51 percent of the profits that go to the budget, the subsoil tax also goes to this budget (there is a tax on everything that is produced in the land, introduced in 2004, only for this law Putin needs a monument to put it, whoever the oil industry and the like belong to the budget will still have money going on, and it’s not small).
      2. 97110
        97110 30 January 2016 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: chikenous59
        pays 82% of his income in taxes.

        I counted interest most of my life. Brought out as a life experience disbelief in these numbers. Being also an economist, I always doubt the correctness of using the concepts "from my income", "Profit" and so on. What is "your income"? What items from the "income statement" form are included in it? Are taxes included in expenses accounted for at 82%? What remains to finance the cost, if dividends have to be paid out of 18%? And what about hospitality? If you had given specific numbers, I would have swallowed - where would you trample against the terrible sums. And the pitiful 82%? Immediately doubts.
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 30 January 2016 19: 51
          0
          Quote: 97110
          Quote: chikenous59
          pays 82% of his income in taxes.

          I counted interest most of my life. Brought out as a life experience disbelief in these numbers. Being also an economist, I always doubt the correctness of using the concepts "from my income", "Profit" and so on. What is "your income"? What items from the "income statement" form are included in it? Are taxes included in expenses accounted for at 82%? What remains to finance the cost, if dividends have to be paid out of 18%? And what about hospitality? If you had given specific numbers, I would have swallowed - where would you trample against the terrible sums. And the pitiful 82%? Immediately doubts.

          To grind, don't pretend to be a fool.
          82% gives back from the money that she earned. What are you fooling people about. 82% of every penny that fell about Rosneft.
    2. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 13: 55
      0
      Quote: IskraS
      In no case should you agree to a pipe through the Outskirts. They will continue to blackmail us. I propose an all-Russian referendum on whether we need such a pipe. Gazprom is a private organization, let it moderate its appetite.

      You will still hold a referendum about how much beer they drink in Germany - what's the point of this referendum?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 30 January 2016 14: 37
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: IskraS
        In no case should you agree to a pipe through the Outskirts. They will continue to blackmail us. I propose an all-Russian referendum on whether we need such a pipe. Gazprom is a private organization, let it moderate its appetite.

        You will still hold a referendum about how much beer they drink in Germany - what's the point of this referendum?

        We will hold a referendum .... Like: "Give Gusinsky, etc., otherwise we will sell missiles to Hezboll! What do you think the Russian people will vote?" drinks Here is the same thing and there is nothing to poke here!
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 January 2016 14: 48
          -2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: IskraS
          In no case should you agree to a pipe through the Outskirts. They will continue to blackmail us. I propose an all-Russian referendum on whether we need such a pipe. Gazprom is a private organization, let it moderate its appetite.

          You will still hold a referendum about how much beer they drink in Germany - what's the point of this referendum?

          We will hold a referendum .... Like: "Give Gusinsky, etc., otherwise we will sell missiles to Hezboll! What do you think the Russian people will vote?" drinks Here is the same thing and there is nothing to poke here!


          Meehan, does the wound make itself felt? Gusinsky does not live in Israel, but as the people of Russia vote, it’s for sure that you’re delivering Hizbullah missiles
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            1. atalef
              atalef 30 January 2016 15: 52
              0
              Quote: sleeping Sayan
              Duc, "how the people of Russia will vote" for us "it is definitely all the same." If "you" are all equal in Israel. Well, you are a fellow tribesman of the Jews, you won’t refuse a Russian passport, but I’m rotten?

              Sayan, do not subscribe to anger.
              Jesus, by the way, is the same fellow tribe of Judah, so that I am in good company
              Well, about the passport - you know the old adage
              In a reasonable farm .... everything will fit. laughing
              By the way, Valera, it's already good to encrypt. Krasmash - forever. laughing
              Although maybe I'm wrong?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 30 January 2016 16: 00
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                Sayan, do not subscribe to anger.

                Hi Sanya! You have not yet been crucified laughing
                1. atalef
                  atalef 30 January 2016 16: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: atalef
                  Sayan, do not subscribe to anger.

                  Hi Sanya! You have not yet been crucified laughing

                  Well, some would probably even have quartered laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 30 January 2016 16: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: atalef
                    well some would

                    Come on forget it, he was simply denied Israeli citizenship wassat Envy
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                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 30 January 2016 16: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                  the soul is rotten l., the essence of rotten. l. more there is nothing more in you.

                  And in the ban for rudeness for two days.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 30 January 2016 16: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                  the soul is rotten l., the essence of rotten. l. more there is nothing more in you.

                  laughing
                  Sayan, change diapers more often.
          2. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 30 January 2016 15: 27
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            mk Hizbullah missiles you supply and so

            Offend .... Hezbollah helps us in Syria and is very effective! Not yet up to you ..))))) bully
          3. user1212
            user1212 30 January 2016 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            mk Hizbullah missiles you supply and so

            An interesting twist. If we sell rockets to Iran, and from there they get to hezbole, then we we deliver hezbole rockets. And if we sell gas to the EU, after which it goes back to Ukraine, then we do not supply gas to Ukraine ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 January 2016 19: 33
              0
              Quote: user1212
              Quote: atalef
              mk Hizbullah missiles you supply and so

              An interesting twist. If we sell rockets to Iran, and from there they get to hezbole, then we we deliver hezbole rockets. And if we sell gas to the EU, after which it goes back to Ukraine, then we do not supply gas to Ukraine ...

              Check out the concept - End User Certificate.
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          4. 72jora72
            72jora72 30 January 2016 19: 21
            0
            and as the people of Russia vote, it’s for sure
            But this is you in vain ...... no need to so scatter words with caution ....
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 January 2016 12: 49
    +6
    Sure, not a problem! You can drive a cubic meter per hour, who will say that there is no transit? And the Germans understand everything perfectly, the main thing is to build SP2, under any pretext. Im this transit in x. R.en didn’t rest, they need SP2 so that they don’t depend on Psheks and Ukrainians at all, in principle, Pshekhs with Khokh, Lamas, this project is like a sickle for yaik. I will not dictate the conditions unless to each other.
  • SlavaS
    SlavaS 30 January 2016 12: 50
    +6
    If Europe needs transit gas, then let them themselves pay for transit!
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 January 2016 12: 51
    +5
    "..Germany will approve Nord Stream 2 if transit through Ukraine is preserved ..."
    But why the same transit will be needed then?
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 13: 56
      0
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      "..Germany will approve Nord Stream 2 if transit through Ukraine is preserved ..."
      But why the same transit will be needed then?

      The question is different, but why in this case need a joint venture -2
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2016 12: 53
    +5
    Yes, it's nothing at all. Blah blah blah. When Nord Stream 2 is built, all of these promises and encouragements will be donated to the benefit. Russia can also promise everything. After all, it is important to have a real possibility of alternative transit. And Dill still has to live to see 19. Safe.
    And the Germans also understand this.
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 January 2016 14: 50
      -3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, it's nothing at all. Blah blah blah. When Nord Stream 2 is built, all of these promises and encouragements will be donated to the benefit. Russia can also promise everything. After all, it is important to have a real possibility of alternative transit. And Dill still has to live to see 19. Safe.
      And the Germans also understand this.

      Well, actually, Ukraine was promised to fall apart in 2015. And freeze without Russian gas - the situation today is such that there are enough alternatives, and after 2 years Iranian gas will also come to Europe
  • pvmvmp
    pvmvmp 30 January 2016 12: 55
    +6
    Until the source of world terrorism and sadomy in the person of the Anglo-Saxons and their satellites is economically weakened, no economic projects abroad of the Russian Federation will be effective
  • Morf
    Morf 30 January 2016 12: 55
    +2
    yes stuffing it! to set Russia's conditions for new pipelines?
    haha! Turks have already tried to show off!
    fresh example before my eyes
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 January 2016 13: 00
    +2
    Either this comrade was brought in an envelope, or it was twisted to quietly build a second thread, and then he would not supervise it from the government, he would be in a commercial position at the project, and money loves money, and not political solidarity in the name of what’s not clear.
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 30 January 2016 13: 01
    +2
    Well, yes, as usual, the mice choked, pricked and cried, but continued to eat the cactus. How this European, bureaucratic prostitution already got!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 January 2016 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      Well, yes, as usual, the mice choked, pricked and cried, but continued to eat the cactus. How this European, bureaucratic prostitution already got!


      On the issue of gas supplies to Europe, the other side got it:
      Like this hebopthe bureaucratic prostitution already got!

      winked
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 January 2016 13: 02
    11
    It’s time to draw conclusions for Russia, how much blackmail and unprofitable projects can be tolerated.
    In any case, the West will do everything so that the activities of Russian oil and gas companies are unprofitable.
    Get off the hydrocarbon needle!
    Develop Russian industry, agriculture, the country vitally needs its own economy, an independent independent country, a self-sufficient country capable of providing itself completely.
    And the export of hydrocarbons is like that, cherry on the cake: there is a cherry - and it’s tasty and beautiful, no, it’s still tasty and beautiful.
    Establish mutually beneficial trade relations with the east.
    The same India supplies medicinal raw materials to the whole world, and Russia buys ready-made medicines in the USA - more from the dealers of pharmaceutical companies, the state closes its eyes that prices are rising for medicines.
    It’s time to finally understand, you don’t have to go on about the world hegemon and its satellites — their task is to destroy Russia. The West and the USA have been doing this for many centuries, and never-hear-never leave Russia alone. Pretending to be friends, partners, or declaring war or not declaring, they always do the same thing - they destroy Russia.
    Russia has no interest in providing strategic raw materials, hydrocarbons and finances to the United States and the West — we are making the enemy stronger, and Russia needs to strengthen its power and become invulnerable in every way. Then they will reckon with our interests when Russia becomes invulnerable.
    There is nothing to invest state funds in the construction of pipelines, provide gas to the country, we do not have all the periphery.
    Cheap fuel and fuel will give an impetus to the development of the economy.
    We must not subsidize monopolies and banks, but ensure that our business does not empty the pockets of the people.
    Provided with work, timely and fully paid wages, food and goods, the people will be reprimanded.
    Yesterday I watched the forecast that Europeans are degenerating, the number of older people prevails over the number of children. Revive the country's economy - and Russia's degeneration will not be threatened.
    Enough to listen to the advice and threats of Europe, you need to do as a country better.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 30 January 2016 13: 09
      +6
      love good Exactly! But only 95% understand this, but they can’t do anything, while the remaining 5% who are in power or own these wealth can do it, but they’re afraid to understand lol
      Trouble request
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 January 2016 13: 21
      +4
      Quote: olimpiada15
      We must not subsidize monopolies and banks, but ensure that our business does not empty the pockets of the people.


      I like it. Always glad to make intelligent speeches ... good
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 30 January 2016 13: 06
    +6
    Quote: IskraS
    In no case should you agree to a pipe through the Outskirts. They will continue to blackmail us. I propose an all-Russian referendum on whether we need such a pipe. Gazprom is a private organization, let it moderate its appetite.

    To begin with, Gazprom is not a private organization! PJSC Gazprom is a Russian transnational corporation and 73% of the shares are owned by the Russian Federation.
    "To wave a sword" - the times have passed. Diplomacy, calculation, competent marketing and of course the national interests of the Russian Federation are at the forefront.
    1. 97110
      97110 30 January 2016 14: 44
      +2
      Quote: kapitan92
      PJSC Gazprom is a Russian multinational corporation and 73% of the shares are owned by the Russian Federation.

      So nobody argues. Do you know the decision-making procedure? In the general case, owners of shares (shares) do not have the right to interfere in the operational activities of the company. And the debts of society do not answer. They can eat the sole governing body on the Pack Council. And that’s it. And the rest of the time, Mr. Miller enjoys the rights granted to him by the Regulation and the Treaty. And no one bothers him to fulfill the duties assigned to him ...
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 30 January 2016 16: 37
        +4
        ....... owners of shares (shares) do not have the right to interfere in the operational activities of the company.
        Please tell me the company in which the owners of the shares interfere in the operational activities of the company.
        The shareholders elect the board of directors, the latter elect the president of the joint-stock company. The board of directors and the president of the company carry out all operational activities and are accountable to the shareholders and the state.
        The Russian Federation has a controlling stake in PJSC Gazprom, and as you know, the economy is extremely politicized.
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 January 2016 13: 11
    +3
    Europe accepted its energy packages, where the Research Institute was to be a transporter and gas supplier at the same time. And to us are long-term contracts on previously signed terms. And from the point of view of the economy, to publicly begin to explain to Europe that deliveries will now go according to their own laws, that is, through HUBs after the conclusion of previously concluded contracts, for example, HUB on the border with Ukraine and HUB on the border with Germany. And to indicate the dangers of transit through the worn-out pipe of Ukraine But only very publicly and repeatedly And then the question of a short time to decide in favor of SP-2
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 30 January 2016 14: 57
      0
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      Europe accepted its energy packages, where the research institute wanted to be a transporter and gas supplier at the same time.

      But what about liquefied natural gas? It turns out that the producer of natural gas does not have the right to supply it with its gas carriers? It is necessary to use strangers, and to carry another LNG with your gas carriers? request
  • Belarus
    Belarus 30 January 2016 13: 13
    +2
    Germany seems to support the Kiev junta because it does not support itself. And there seems to be only one reason - Germany does not want to support Ukraine as well. But it infuriates this, it infuriates everyone for some reason set the conditions for Russia, and given the abduction of a 13-year-old girl in Germany, then German officials would be better off not opening their mouths at all.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 30 January 2016 13: 14
    +2
    Transit through Ukraine after 2019 will definitely be yes . But only to Moldova winked .
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 January 2016 13: 14
    +3
    And who will now say that there is no substitute for Miller? Yes, this figure is not suitable for the notion:

    Quote: Kil 31
    You can drive our gas in SP 1 and SP 2. You can drive Kazakhstan gas through the old pipe, like dill they want. We will receive money for transit, and let Kazakhstan suffer with dill payment for gas.


    good
  • demo
    demo 30 January 2016 13: 18
    +2
    By the time the Nord Stream 2 construction is completed, the Ukrainian gas transmission system will need major overhaul.
    And this is not 3 pennies!
    Here are all the answers.
    We are Russia, of course, for the UGS to remain a transit pipe. But safety comes first!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 January 2016 13: 24
      +3
      Quote: demo
      We are Russia, of course, for the UGS to remain a transit pipe. But safety comes first!

      It could be said so when the Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR ... Now prudence is superior ... wink
  • novobranets
    novobranets 30 January 2016 13: 20
    +4
    In December, Angela Merkel declared that "Ukraine should not lose its role as a gas transit country." “This is a political decision,” the chancellor added.
    I sit, drenched in tears of tenderness. crying Wow, what a touching concern for Svidomo. Just I can’t understand, why is this concern again at the expense of Russia? Well then, why are we sitting, gentlemen, Germans? Give your unfortunate Ukraine your pennies. What fools in Germany are now dumb, do you know what they can afford? So sit on the pope evenly and do not bark. When is this senile frau already kicked lower back? Tired of mongrel amovskaya.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 30 January 2016 14: 22
      +5
      "Why is this concern again at the expense of Russia?"
      Very good question.
      And a very simple answer:
      Merkel still believes that Russia is an obedient vassal of the West, which in turn is a vassal of the United States.
      But why should Russia substitute its butt to be the last in this perverted chain?
      Russia does not need to participate in this orgy, let Merkel’s butt be the last.
      It's time to distance ourselves. And nothing if the fact of Russia's non-participation will be noticed in 2019.
      The moment will be very instructive for those who are used to engaging in prostitution and involving others in this obscene occupation.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 30 January 2016 15: 31
        +2
        Quote: olimpiada15
        Russia doesn’t need to participate in this orgy, let ass Merkel be the last.

        And let finally, before flying into the unknown, this very rear element of the Frau, find out what the tarpaulin soldier’s boot is. Russia, I think, should make an effort to help take Chancellor Ms. Wagenknekht's place. Everyone will benefit from this. In addition to such odious characters, like Petsky and Obama. hi love
  • Felix
    Felix 30 January 2016 13: 27
    +2
    I remember that Ukrainians rushed with the idea of ​​privatizing the GTS. Perhaps this is the position of Germany. Someone Biden buys the Ukrainian pipe, and receives money for transit ... hi
  • valent45
    valent45 30 January 2016 13: 29
    +2
    There are not enough words! Yes, she went all this geyropa on x ...! It will also indicate how we do business.
    You need to screw on the tap for a short time ("in connection with repair and maintenance") Sev.potok-1 and let
    speculate how they will continue to live without dill.
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 30 January 2016 13: 42
    +2
    Well, the transit will be saved in the form of a pipe, while gas is not necessarily pumped into the pipe
  • faterdom
    faterdom 30 January 2016 13: 44
    +1
    What is he talking about? Not seeing a monstrous acceleration of events? To guess already in the 19th year the existence of Ukraine (in its current sense)?
    There are also doubts about the EU and the FRG in particular, and even, shhh, sir, about the Igemon the prophets have different things, they say bad ...
    Only Russia, China, India, possibly Iran, can be taken as a constant, but about Turkey, the KSA, and other Cathars, you can also plunge Great Yemen, neighboring with the Great Syrian Levantia ... and Iran.
  • doc67
    doc67 30 January 2016 13: 45
    +1
    So they will live without gas. The pipe to Hohland was already killed, and it was already sold for scrap. After 2 years, they’ll cut it anyway.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 30 January 2016 13: 46
    +1
    It’s interesting from their words that Russia owes everything to the fucking brothers for gas transit, the tariffs that they like and set up. Interesting girls are dancing. hi
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 30 January 2016 13: 52
    +2
    As they got it, stop supplying gas from January 1, 2019 to all the canine mothers. And let them buy firewood, coal, liquefied gas from the United States, etc. We have less profit than hassle.
    Only then will the geyropa remember and understand what she owes gas from the USSR for a penny. Only then could they raise industry and the economy, which unfortunately we could not. Should we try????????
  • Tektor
    Tektor 30 January 2016 14: 03
    +2
    Or maybe we didn’t really want to !? Now grandmas need to be saved, but only the Power of Siberia needs $ 100 yards. Neither UP ($ 25 yards) nor SP-2 attendants may be enough. I would wait for a more suitable conjuncture.
  • sieras
    sieras 30 January 2016 14: 12
    0
    Yesterday they wrote that the Poles would pull the gas pipeline from Norway. what eastern pipe are they?
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 30 January 2016 14: 27
      +1
      Well, the Poles can say anything, but the Norwegians have some sort of production limit. Some time ago, they recognized that they have problems with the amount of gas produced. It is possible that due to the drop in gas consumption in Europe due to the crisis, an extra may appear, but as far as I know, in Europe another half of the heating is carried out on coal.
  • nik1321
    nik1321 30 January 2016 14: 36
    +3
    And why can’t you just forget about the presence of a gas pipeline in Ukraine? If you sell gas to the EU, then at the border between Russia and Ukraine for the price that suits you (for example, the cost of gas minus the cost of transit today). Let the whole headache with guarantees, transportation and prices will fall on Ukraine and the EU. As they say - what they fought for, they ran into it .. Over time, the EU will offer it and give money for Nord Stream-3, 4, etc. if only they have fewer problems with the Ukrainian gas pipeline.
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 30 January 2016 14: 42
      +1
      Gas needs to be sold on the Russian border, without home delivery, prepaid and for rubles. Set a price. Let the dissenting seek, the market after all however.
  • cergey51046
    cergey51046 30 January 2016 14: 40
    +1
    Transit through Ukraine had to be stopped long ago. And let Germany disapprove, let them sit without gas.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 30 January 2016 14: 47
    +3
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: chikenous59
    pays 82% of his income in taxes.

    I counted interest most of my life. Brought out as a life experience disbelief in these numbers. Being also an economist, I always doubt the correctness of using the concepts "from my income", "Profit" and so on. What is "your income"? What items from the "income statement" form are included in it? Are taxes included in expenses accounted for at 82%? What remains to finance the cost, if dividends have to be paid out of 18%? And what about hospitality? If you had given specific numbers, I would have swallowed - where would you trample against the terrible sums. And the pitiful 82%? Immediately doubts.

    ...... Rosneft last year paid 1,7 trillion taxes to the budget, and Gazprom - 1,9 trillion, but using some calculation methods, the oil company pays more taxes than the gas monopoly.
    The amount of taxes paid by Rosneft does not include TNK-BP absorbed by it. Together with TNK-BP, in 2013 Rosneft will pay almost three trillion rubles to the budget. Thus, taking into account all subsidiaries, Rosneft’s taxes will be higher than those of Gazprom.
    In 2013, Rosneft and Gazprom in total will pay more than five trillion rubles to the Russian budget. For comparison, all federal budget revenues last year amounted to 12,85 trillion rubles. Most of the taxes paid by Gazprom and Rosneft are due to the mineral extraction tax (MET) and export customs duties. The federal budget consists of these taxes by almost 50 percent.
    Data for 2013
  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 30 January 2016 14: 48
    +1
    then let them repair and guard this rusted pipe in Ukraine!
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 January 2016 14: 59
    +4
    Old woman Germany jumps that remains with a trough.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 January 2016 15: 00
    +1
    According to the Vice-Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Zigmar Gabriel, the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is possible only if the pipeline, which supplies gas for Eastern Europe, is maintained, the newspaper reports
    But does someone in German think that we will sort the pipeline through huhland for our money? In any case, we will continue deliveries, for it is our business to send, and if it doesn’t come, then ask from transit countries. This was already with Pale with a scythe. And what? who were scared? Then the question of the first North Stream was considered, the same claims were expressed aloud. Now Germany and WE will do the same - calm Europe and build another pipe. The principle is simple - the jaws around the Independence Square are compressed.