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The baton of generations picks up "Khabarovsk"


The past year has shown that Russia has a fairly modern and powerful fleet capable of performing real tasks. As training, when strategic missile carriers successfully hit targets in other parts of the world, including the Bulava salvo launches, and combat.

Large landing ships, without attracting attention for the time being, ensured the deployment of an entire military base in Syria. Small rocket ships from the Caspian hit the vital objects of terrorists banned in Russia by the IG. Equally high-precision shooting hundreds of kilometers from a submerged position, almost in passing, was noted by the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine, which followed from the North to its position on the Black Sea Fleet.

"The rapid development of" mosquito " fleet became one of the signs of modern Russia ”
These episodes, which received international resonance and made the whole world make sure that before Russia, it is better not to play muscles neither on land, nor in the air, nor at sea, indicate the main tendencies of the fifth revival of the Russian fleet for its nearly 320-year-old history.

Last year, the fleet received nearly fifty new ships and auxiliary vessels, approaching the task that President Vladimir Putin set at the May meeting in Sochi with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and representatives of the defense industry complex: “By the end of the year, it is necessary to reach the established parameters for modern weapons and military technology. In the Ground Forces and the Air Force, their share should be respectively 32 and 33 percent. In the Airborne Forces - 40 percent, in the Navy and Troops of the East Kazakhstan region - more than half ”.

The nuclear submarine fleet is most successfully updated. Of the eight strategic missile carriers of the Borey and Borey-A projects (developed by TsBB MT Rubin), which are planned to be built, Yury Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh have already begun to watch the military watch.

In different degrees of readiness on Sevmash - "Prince Oleg", "Prince Vladimir", "Generalissimo Suvorov" and "Emperor Alexander III". On the agenda - the tab of another "Borea". On board such an 16 – 20 submarine cruiser, the Bulava ICBM (each can carry nuclear warheads of 6 – 10).

The 170-meter 24 tonnes of thousands of tons of Borei, capable of diving to 450 meters and developing the speed of 29 nodes, until the middle of this century will be the basis of Russia's naval nuclear forces. For the time being, the mission is carried out flawlessly by the “Dolphins” of the 667 BRDM project (according to the NATO Delta-IV classification), which are undergoing a phased modernization, in particular, are armed with more powerful Sinev missiles.

The construction of a new family of Yasen universal missile submarines has also stabilized with a displacement of over 13 thousand tons, sinking to 600-meter depth and accelerating to 30 nodes. “Conceptually, this project, the lead ship of which was the nuclear submarine“ Severodvinsk ”, was slightly ahead of the development of multi-purpose nuclear-powered ships in the USA,” said Vladimir Dorofeyev, general director of the designer, the marine engineering bureau Malakhit. - The “Ash” feature is that it is equipped with a complex weaponsIn addition to the torpedo tubes, for the first time in the practice of domestic shipbuilding, they are placed at an angle to the diametral plane — it also includes vertical launchers of cruise missiles. Moreover, from the same installations and torpedo tubes, without re-equipping the ship, various weapons can be used. That is, today they came out with one ammunition, in order to solve problems, for example, in the fight against surface ships and submarines, tomorrow they rebooted and were ready to hit coastal targets with salvo fire. Mechanics and airborne electronic weapons without any problems working with different types of weapons. In the course of state tests of the cruiser Severodvinsk, cruise missiles were successfully launched, intended to destroy both surface ships and long-range coastal targets. With the help of this ship, the Navy, our state will be able to carry out a new function - non-strategic nuclear deterrence through the use of high-precision long-range cruise missiles. "

The main universal submarine cruiser “Severodvinsk” took up combat duty, and Sevmash built four such nuclear-powered ships: “Kazan”, “Novosibirsk”, “Krasnoyarsk” and “Arkhangelsk” and is preparing for laying another one.

Fourth generation nuclear submarines "Ash" will support past atomicines, which, gradually rearming, are in service: Rubin's 949 and 949А projects, Malachite 671РТМК and 971, Lazurite 945 and 945А.

At the same time, the most secret nuclear strategic submarine “Khabarovsk”, the developer - TsBB MT “Rubin”, is being built on Sevmash. This atomicin is probably the fifth generation, where robotized complexes are actively used (for more details, “Necessary and sufficient”).

Meanwhile, the fourth generation of non-nuclear submarines has not yet emerged from the trial stage, although the head Rubin's submarine St. Petersburg laid 26 December 1997 of the year, and launched 28 October 2004. The project “Lada” itself, when it was represented, being the general director of CDB MT “Rubin”, academician Igor Spassky, looked very attractive: “For the first time, the two-body design of the boat was abandoned - the displacement decreased by 700 tons, and the weight and size characteristics improved from here, decreased noise, electromagnetic fields, the boat will be able to stay under water twice as long. The main indicator - stealth - doubled compared with "Kilo". "Lada" will compete in the world with dignity. "

However, more than a hundred know-how in the conditions of the scientific and technological turbulence of Russia at the beginning of the twenty-first century sometimes takes root painfully.

In this regard, the creators of marine technology, according to the chief engineer of the TsDB MT Rubin, Valentin Frolov, have their own specifics: “Unlike tank and aircraft construction, we have no prototypes on which everything is worked out and brought to life, and then launched into a series . Our lead ship is a real sea testing ground. ”

In the end, advanced technology, accumulated experience, the skill of scientists and production workers, interaction with the sailors won. The Lada project took place, which was confirmed by Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy: “The submarines of the 677 project (Lada) are promising in their characteristics, much better than their predecessors. What we are doing today is the internal saturation of submarines with modern mechanisms and knots. We place high demands on all of them on noise, on the possibilities of detecting a potential enemy submarines in the underwater environment, and also on their defeat at more significant distances. I myself and expert groups travel to all defense companies that are engaged in the preparation of submarine subassemblies and mechanisms, and on the spot we see what suits us, what is not, and demand high-quality industry. ”

On the stocks and on the drawing board

Vladimir Dorofeev:
"Today came out with one
ammunition to solve
tasks to combat
surface ships
reboot tomorrow and
ready volley fire
hit coastal targets. "
Photo: ic.news.mail.ru



Igor Spassky:
"Abandoned
two-piece design
boats - reduced noise,
electromagnetic fields
the boat can be twice as long
be under water.
The main indicator -
stealth - increased
twice. "
Photo: ITAR-TASS



Alexander Buzakov:
"Detection range
enemy increased.
The idea is simple: who is first
spotted an opponent
won the duel.
Photo: whoiswho.dp.ru



In the near future, the sailors are waiting for an air-independent power plant for these ships, which will ensure their long-term secretive presence under water, and then work will go faster. In any case, the construction of the already-serial “Lad” - “Kronstadt” and “Velikie Luki”, located in the slipway of the Admiralty shipyards, has been revived. Expected contract for the next submarine.

As planned, the Lada will be the most widespread family among non-nuclear submarines, its ships will serve in all fleets.

At the same time, it is worthwhile to pay tribute to the responsibility of sailors who did not wish to drive an unworked project into a series, although they suggested this to the hotheads. And the diesel submarine fleet of Russia by the end of the 90-x shrank. At the Black Sea Fleet, for example, only one Alrosa diesel-electric submarines has remained de facto. Therefore, the country's leadership long before the annexation of the Crimea decided to create in the Black Sea a whole mix of six new submarines, named after the cities of military glory. Novorossiysk, Rostov-on-Don, Stary Oskol and Krasnodar have already been transferred to the sailors. Extreme submarines of this series - "Veliky Novgorod" and "Kolpino" are built on schedule. All of them are an improved version of the 636.3 "Varshavyanka" project (according to the NATO classification - Improved Kilo). The diesel displacement unit with a displacement of 3950 tons is capable of sinking to the 300-meter depth and moving at a speed of 20 knots. The crew of 52 sailors can make a one and a half month autonomous trips. According to the general director of the Admiralty shipyards, Alexander Buzakov, the project has undergone a profound modernization: “First of all, it differs from the previous models by the armament complex. The combat information and control system was completely changed, non-penetrating sliding devices appeared, which made it possible to free up additional useful volumes. Installed a new battery with a longer cycle of operation. Improved design of the main electric motors. But the main thing - the boat has become even quieter. That is, in fact, its noise is below the background of the sea in which it is located: the sound of the sea is heard, but it is not. And the detection range of the enemy is increased. The idea is simple: whoever spotted the opponent, won the duel. Armed with a ship torpedoes caliber 533 millimeter (six vehicles), mines and attack missile complex "Caliber". Now he is working on land, surface and underwater targets. " As demonstrated by the diesel-electric submarines "Rostov-on-Don", which fired rockets from a submerged position on targets in the vicinity of the Syrian city of Rakka, the capital of the Islamic State. It is possible that the construction of "Varshavyanok" will be continued after the "manning" of the Black Sea Fleet.

Applause to our new Russian weapons was deserved by our 21631 “Buyan-M” RTOs, when on October 7 of last year four ships synchronously executed 26 launches of “Caliber” cruise missiles directly from the Caspian Sea. According to Deputy Navy Commander-in-Chief, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk, before the 2019, the fleet will receive about 10 of such IRCs, and a continuation of the Buyan-M project will be lightweight corvettes developed by the Almaz Central Design Bureau and armed with the same Calibers.

And let each of the small hunters carry less charges than a bomber or a large ship, in certain conditions they can become irreplaceable. The legendary director of the shipbuilding firm Almaz, Anatoly Korolev, who preserved the production of small but nimble all-weather combat units into destructive 90, said, not without pride: “Any cruiser or destroyer is always in sight, under the gun, he is“ led ”, and my ships dispersed in the water area - you will not see them, you will not hijack them, but everyone is ready to fire ammunition. ”

The rapid development of the "mosquito" fleet has become one of the signs of modern Russia. Maritime frontiers had to be defended, even when a significant part of the ships had rotted on the piers or were allowed “on needles”. And IRAs, corvettes and boats are relatively cheap, the cycle of their creation is shorter, which means that they can be built more, and the technologies of the 21st century make it possible to “pack” powerful weapons in modest dimensions. It is not by chance that these types are built in Petersburg, Zelenodolsk, Nizhny Novgorod, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and Vladivostok ...

The renewal of ships in the far sea zone is progressing more slowly than desired. Mainly because of the betrayal of the current Ukrainian leadership: our country, it seems, fully believed that the neighbors would not cut the bough of military-technical cooperation, which gives real money to their choking economy, both in space technology and in engines for ships airplanes and helicopters. But the launch of the production of domestic power plants, including the ship, on the way. Corps in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad are already being prepared for them.

In the meantime, the lead frigate of the 22350 project “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov” (developed by the Northern PKB) is the first large surface warship built at Russian shipyards after the collapse of the USSR and is being tested in the North to join the fleet this year. In varying degrees of readiness at the Northern shipyard, the frigates "Admiral of the Fleet of Kasatonov", "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov". At this stage, the fleet plans to order the construction of eight such 135-meter ships with a displacement of 4500 tons, armed with 130-millimeter artillery, Onyx or Caliber-NKE missiles and the Polyment-Redut air defense missile system. In the future, the frigate may become the most massive ship in the far sea zone.

At the same time, the brainchild of the Kaliningrad Yantar plant, the patrol ship Admiral Grigorovich, is on state tests. The project 124-meter frigate with a displacement of 3600 tons with rocket and artillery weapons, developed by the Northern PKB for India, after the modernization organically fit into the Russian shipbuilding program under the code 11356. Storozheviki "Admiral Essen" and "Admiral Makarov" are preparing to surrender, built ships, named in honor of admirals GI Butakova and V.I. Istomin.

The long-awaited update of landing ships begins. At the Baltic shipyard "Yantar" began testing the lead ship of the project 11711 "Ivan Gren." True, it is possible that in addition to the 120-meter displacement of five thousand tons of “Gren” and its analogue BDK “Peter Morgunov” a series of larger “marine paratroopers” will be built.

The specialized high-tech fleet is also being revived.

On New Year's Eve, the naval vessel included the Igor Belousov 21300 rescue ship, created in the Almaz TsKMB and Admiralty shipyards to help emergency submarines at half-kilometer depths. The firstborn will serve on the Pacific Fleet, but the prospects for building rescuers for each of the fleets are being considered.

Northern Shipyard and Iceberg Design Bureau pleased the new “sea intelligence officer”, the Yury Ivanov communications vessel, to provide communications and control for the fleet, electronic warfare, radio and radio intelligence, as well as tracking components of the US missile defense system. In readiness serial ship project 18280 "Ivan Hurst."

The Srednenevsky Shipbuilding Plant executed the head minesweeper of the 12700 project “Alexander Obukhov” from non-magnetic materials, the first serial anti-mine defense ship “George Kurbatov” has already been built.

Nowadays, for the first time in the post-war years, we paid attention to the renewal of the auxiliary fleet.

Sea transport weapons "Akademik Kovalev" project 20180TV built in the center of ship repair "Zvezdochka" in Severodvinsk.

On the Pacific Fleet raised flags on two raid tugs for maintenance "Boreev."

The northern shipyard is testing the lead supply vessel for the 23120 Elbrus project and is preparing the Vsevolod Bobrov serial “supply”.

The diesel-electric icebreaker “Ilya Muromets” of the 21180 project, laid down at the Admiralty shipyards, will effectively support the actions of the ship groups in the Arctic zone.

The ceremony of laying the newest sea tanker project 03182 "Mikhail Barskov", adapted for work in the Arctic ice, was held at the factory "East Shipyard" in Vladivostok.

Nevsky Shipbuilding Shipyard is building the universal tanker Akademik Pashin.

The re-birth in the coming years will receive the Far Eastern shipyard "Star". Prior to 2050, construction of modular multi-purpose platforms for submarines and surface ships, as well as 116 ships and other shelf technology is envisaged.

The construction of a new shipbuilding complex begins at the Northern shipyard, which will cost a billion rubles in 31. In addition to the state-of-the-art housing processing shop, metal warehouse and logistics terminal, the country's largest drydock with a length of 400 and a width of 70 meters will settle here. It is assumed that the complex will annually be able to produce up to eight ships, including unique ones - 300-meter length.

Most likely, the construction of an ocean-class squadron destroyer will begin at the Northern shipyard in the coming years. Details of the project "Leader" has not yet been disclosed. It is known that the ship will be equipped with a nuclear power plant.

In Severodvinsk, in a planned manner, large surface ships are being upgraded: the 1164 Atlant cruisers (Moscow, Varyag and Marshal Ustinov) - on the Zvezdochka and TARK project 1144 Orlan (Admiral Nakhimov, Petr Great ”) - on Sevmash.

But the most welcome event in the fifth revival of the Russian fleet will be the construction of a new aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant. Its displacement is about 80 thousand tons. On board, the ocean’s flagship will be able to handle up to 90 aircraft, including the fifth generation.

On the upgrade of marine technology in the State Armaments Program to 2020, it is provided five trillion rubles. Such expenses are understandable and explainable. Russia is surrounded on all sides by the sea. However, unlike other countries, our Armed Forces have to defend at the same time five large maritime theaters (taking into account the Caspian Sea), and the state, respectively, contain five independent fleets, the consolidation of which at one time is almost impossible. The modern fleet must ensure the security of the Russian economic zone and represent the interests of our state, displaying the St. Andrew’s flag in all regions of the World Ocean.

Speaking about the development of the Navy, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted: “As a result of the implementation of the state armament program before 2020, the fleet must receive eight missile submarine cruisers, 16 multipurpose submarines, 54 surface warships of various classes”. It is extremely difficult to carry out these plans, taking into account the unprecedented pressure from “probable friends” led by the United States, but it cannot be otherwise. In the end, it’s not a checkpoint. The main thing is that the Russian fleet is confidently looking to the future.

Alexey Zakhartsev

Underwater slug

Boreas may have an economical alternative.

The tactics of submarine missile carriers has always been tightly tied to the range of the weapons that they carried on board.

A bit of history. The first diesel rocket boats with D-1 complexes (R-11FM rocket, range - 150 km, surface launch system) were forced to approach the enemy for a “pistol shot”, putting at great risk not only the performance of a combat mission, but also their own existence. As more advanced missile complexes of the launch zone were developed, they were moving away from the American continent deep into the World Ocean, which reduced the likelihood of detecting and destroying their carriers. In the middle of 1963, a revolution occurred - the missiles went under water. The 629 project with the D-4 complex (the P-21 rocket, underwater launch, range - 1400 km) was a working horse of the marine component of the SNF for more than 17 years.

The 658 project with the D-9 complex (the P-29 rocket, underwater launch, range - 7800 km) further pushed back combat patrol areas from the enemy's coast and reduced the vulnerability of our missile carriers. The equipment of the latest series of nuclear submarines (Dolphin, Borey) with intercontinental 8 thousand missiles - 11 thousand kilometers (Bulava, Sineva) made another revolution in the SSBN tactics. Now you can hit the enemy's targets "from the pier". There is no need to go to distant areas of combat patrols, break through the stationary systems of NATO and US submarines, dodge the enemy’s surface, submarine and air forces that are hunting for our missile carriers. It is quite easy to reach the launch sites located in our coastal areas protected by the Russian Navy and Air Force from any encroachment. Such tactics dramatically increase the invulnerability of SSBNs, significantly increasing the duration of their stay in combat positions by reducing the time required to reach launch areas and return to the bases for repair and maintenance.

A fundamental question arises: why do they need nuclear reactors, high underwater and surface speeds, maximum depth of immersion, if you just need to get out of the base, slowly rush to the starting positions and quietly settle on them, awaiting the Start command. To use for this purpose boats of the Borey project is, to put it mildly, wasteful, but there is no alternative yet.

A fundamentally different construction is required, which can hardly be called a boat. It is rather a strategic underwater missile complex (SSBN), which differs from land analogues in its ability to change positions under the cover of the sea. He does not need high speed, high-strength hull (enough depths from which the underwater launch is carried out), a powerful power plant. Its capabilities should be sufficient to ensure the functioning of the complex and the crew, movement in combat positions, which are defined several, in order to change them during duty, increasing secrecy. It is necessary today to finance the design of such a platform in order to determine its tactical and technical characteristics, timing and cost of construction. Taking into account its equipment (an air-independent power plant, the absence of long-distance sonar systems and much more, it is necessary to break through the enemy PLO systems and perform combat missions in the World Ocean and is completely unnecessary for SSBNs that are in protected positions at their native shores) cost and speed of design and construction of such platforms will be many times, if not an order of magnitude smaller than the existing and laid down PLBR. The transition to a new concept will dramatically increase the invulnerability of our naval component of the SNF from the rapid global strike. As the SSBN comes into service, released funds can be spent on retrofitting SSBNs that are currently in service for other tasks that more correspond to their high tactical and technical characteristics, for example, equipping them with Dunfeng-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles. It will be necessary to reconsider the composition of the forces necessary for reliable protection of the SSBN on-duty areas. Together with the “Status-6” new configuration of the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces will forever bury the idea of ​​an instant global strike.
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  1. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 31 January 2016 06: 12
    +9
    A good article, but it’s already known that Boreas will carry only 16 ICBMs. No 20 ICBMs are out of the question.
    This 2016 year and 2017 will be crucial in shipbuilding. So how soon will go their gas turbines.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 31 January 2016 06: 33
      26
      The baton of generations picks up "Khabarovsk"
      - We are lagging far behind at this time with modern combat ships. A large percentage of junk is available. And the current global construction of the Navy cannot but rejoice, although we understand that this will be very costly for the budget. But "it's better without pants, but with a revolver than in pants, but with a hole in the head!" - And where does Russia go now?
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 31 January 2016 15: 44
        13
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        There is a large percentage of junk. And the current global construction of the Navy cannot but rejoice

        1. about "old stuff". The question is not even the age of the ships. and in their number, purpose and modernization. Especially relevant for surface forces. Let's leave the topic of cruisers, because The main "workhorse" of the fleet is smaller ships - destroyers and BODs. Destroyers 956, in fact, cannot cope with their function - only a few units are in the ranks (mainly because of the power plant). And the tasks of presence (in the same Mediterranean) are assigned to the BOD. They neither in the composition of the shock (with the exception of Chabanenko), nor in the composition of anti-aircraft missile weapons do not correspond to the assigned tasks, since they are created for another. Mass modernization of 30-40 year old ships is actually not the noblest thing to do. The problem could be solved by the massive construction of frigates (even though the rank is lower, they are more consistent with the realities). But this is not yet the case. And in shipbuilding, GPV will most likely not be implemented. Thanks to the managers from the USC.
        Apparently, everyone is already aware of this upstairs. Therefore, the priority is the construction of RTOs (including new projects) instead of plans for corvettes and frigates. And where to go. Engines need their own! so it’s premature to speak of rebirth. Alas
    2. mahor
      mahor 31 January 2016 19: 11
      +2
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      A good article, but it’s already known that Boreas will carry only 16 ICBMs. No 20 ICBMs are out of the question.
      This 2016 year and 2017 will be crucial in shipbuilding. So how soon will go their gas turbines.


      The remaining boats are Borey-A. On board 20 mines ... drinks
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 31 January 2016 22: 49
        0
        Quote: mahor
        The remaining boats are Borey-A. On board the 20 mines ..

        still 16 http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130220/923813018.html
        Clearly, time is running out. the project will be more perfect. but the main thing, as far as we know, 955А is built not from the backlogs of other nuclear submarines, but from scratch
  2. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 31 January 2016 06: 17
    +7
    “The rapid development of the“ mosquito ”fleet has become one of the signs of modern Russia”

    More like the truth .. the rest is blah blah blah
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 31 January 2016 10: 53
      +6
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      More like the truth .. the rest is blah blah blah

      In Brezhnye times, the ships of the mosquito fleet simply did not count, there were many of them even then, now we are catching up.
      If you read carefully, then the article is rather how to make a good face in case of a bad game. Some "numerous Ladas" are worth what, after it was announced that they would no longer be allowed into the series, but would focus on "Kalina".
      About the problems it’s practically not said at all, like at the beginning of the century they have all been solved ....
      The last paragraph - in general, a cannon - probably the authors themselves will put their disposable, cheap platforms into the sea, or they simply wrote off their team in advance.
      1. serverny
        serverny 31 January 2016 11: 42
        +6
        Do you even understand that Kalina is essentially a project of a modernized Lada, which will finally receive VNEU?
        To contrast them with the implication that Lada is a failed and ineffective project is extremely stupid.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 31 January 2016 12: 35
          0
          Quote: serverny
          Do you even understand that Kalina is essentially a project of a modernized Lada, which will finally receive VNEU?
          To contrast them with the implication that Lada is a failed and ineffective project is extremely stupid.

          I am, but have you tried to read the article carefully? Yes, in it, only pink snot is not enough, but the fact that the "Lada" failed and a no-brainer is already clear - without releasing a single boat that meets the TK, they covered up the series - still the same peremog ..., in general, the idea with car names, not the best one.
          Well, yes, a project that will get further straight on the rails of the article .......
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 31 January 2016 12: 27
        +4
        Quote: lelikas
        In Brezhnye times, the ships of the mosquito fleet simply did not count, there were many of them even then, now we are catching up.

        Now is not the "Brezhne" times. And the mosquito fleet is different -".. technologies of the XXI century make it possible to" pack "powerful weapons into modest dimensions."
        That’s the main thing now.
        Of course, we need aircraft-carrying ships and ocean-going missile carriers.
        But, there are economic and technical realities, as well as military-political expediency.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 31 January 2016 12: 30
          0
          Quote: Alekseev
          Now is not the "Brezhne" times. And the mosquito fleet is different - ".. technologies of the XXI century make it possible to" pack "powerful weapons into modest dimensions."
          That’s the main thing now.

          Well, yes, of course, how much will he last in modern combat? probably 20 minutes ...
          1. max702
            max702 31 January 2016 22: 31
            +2
            Quote: lelikas
            Well, yes, of course, how much will he last in modern combat? probably 20 minutes ...

            Which fight? With whom are you going to fight again? If with the NATO bloc, then the task of the "mosquito" is to shoot back and die heroically along with the rest of the world, and if with the Papuans it is cheap and cheerful to carry out the assigned tasks (greetings from the Caspian Sea ..) Our fleet has no other tasks!
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 13: 13
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        In Brezhnye times, the ships of the mosquito fleet simply did not count, there were many of them even then, now we are catching up.

        The nuclear submarine at Sevmash entered the Brezhnev era.
        "Lada-Kalina" will be finished, on Chernomorskoye the "Varshavyanka" will cope with the tasks quite well.
        There are many questions regarding the surface fleet, but it is probably worth waiting for the middle of the 17th year, the Ukrainian factor still played a role.
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 31 January 2016 11: 47
      +1
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      More like the truth .. the rest is blah blah blah

      Of course - this is "our answer to Chamberlain" on the VO material of January 24 "Two to eight does not stretch in any way" with criticism of the USC (http://topwar.ru/89657-dva-do-vosmi-nikak-ne-rastyagivaetsya.html # comment-id-54
      82997 )
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2016 06: 40
    +8
    for a country like Russia, the fleet is humiliating, negligible ... about ten times smaller than the American one. (without AUG) in the "coming years" the construction of "LEADER" sounds sad ... to shell out the oligarchs for destroyers at least.
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 31 January 2016 06: 49
      +1
      you must read the GPV first so as not to draw such conclusions:
      Within the framework of the GPV, it is planned to place orders for: up to ten strategic missile submarines of the 955 / 955А / 955У project and the same number of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 855 / 855М project, twenty diesel and non-nuclear submarines, six will make the 636.3 Warsawyanka project boats, and fourteen boats of the modified 677 Lada project, four Mistral helicopter carriers, eight 22350 project frigates, six 11356 project frigates, thirty-five corvettes, of which at least twenty are 20380 and 20385 project corvettes, and the corvettes are completely new of the first project, from five to ten small missile ships of the 21631 project, six large landing ships of the 11711 project, at least ten small landing ships in the air cavity of the 21820 Dugong project, a series of base minesweepers of the 12700 Alexandrite project.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2016 07: 02
        +6
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        need to read

        well, we read: "expected", "in the coming years" and so on ...
      2. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 08: 03
        +2
        This is all crap full of cheers.
      3. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 08: 11
        21
        Well, uh, it’s already quite obvious that the shipbuilding program according to 2020 GPV can now be recognized in absentia as failed for the most part.

        The SSBNs of the 955 / 955 3 955 project were handed over, 955 will be handed over 20 MAXIMUM before the 2, the 3 mb will be on the water.

        885 passed, 885М will be the same thing 2 MAXIMUM, 3 will most likely not be let down even this decade.

        14 Okay, this is ridiculous at all, it’s far from a fact; even the 2 currently laid down will be collected before the end of this decade.

        With 636.3, the benefit is that they will normally be put together for the Pacific Fleet.

        22350 3 pieces are the largest, from 11356 everything is not clear, there is a chance that the last 2 will "fly away" and far ... On the 4th, apparently, they decided to install a power plant from 1135, it is just being dismantled from what is in Baltiysk.

        20380,385, taking into account already built, well, pieces 10 + -, but 20 pieces until 20, here we can only say 1-oahahaha.

        21631, in spite of the fact that starting from the 6-th building they are frozen upon reaching a certain readiness, in theory all 9 should be handed over to the 20-th if the Khimans like dumb with diesels do not fail.

        12700 pieces of 2-3 also blind until the end of the decade ... God forbid, I'm mistaken about them ...

        Such a fierce * oops ....
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 09: 03
          +2
          Oh, the minuses flew, hurray patriots must have come running.

          Nuka say your facts, I want to listen to your truth.
          1. DarkMatter
            DarkMatter 31 January 2016 10: 56
            13
            Who damn minus Anton? You are my plus.
            I’m shocked just from people, they brought objective data to them, everything is painted from and to (okromya 636, so this is not 6 pieces, but 12, overfulfilled, overstepped =))).
            No, I’m all right, you have to minus a man, and why understand?

            The article, by the way, is so-so, quite controversial statements. Well, for example, about "The rapid development of the" mosquito "fleet". Where is the development? Just by the numbers: RK 1241 at the beginning of the 90s (approximately) pieces 30-40, MRK 1234 - + -30 pieces. Now there are aging RK 1241 - + -25 units, MRK 1234 - 12 units. We have built 6 (six) + laid several more RTOs and this is already a rapid development. But for me this is the usual replacement of old ships with new ones, which should happen, and so-so the pace so-so. Perhaps for someone it looks like a rapid development, but this, apparently, is just against the background of a complete lack of progress with large ships. But in fact, there is no "rapid development".
            It turns out that the BDK did not attract attention, although everyone who is interested in the topic has heard about the Syrian Express, but everyone knows about the salvo shot by Bulava. It’s strange. In my opinion, either you know about both events, because you are "in the subject", or you have not heard anything about it and follow the speeches of Pugacheva or Galkin.
            Well and so on, in general, the article was not very inserted request
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 31 January 2016 11: 10
              +4
              Quote: DarkMatter
              The BDK turns out to not attract attention, although everyone who is interested in the topic has heard about the Syrian Express

              It’s hard not to attract when they walked through the Bosphorus - the Internet was full of pictures with equipment on the deck
              1. DarkMatter
                DarkMatter 31 January 2016 11: 17
                +6
                I’m talking about this, but the author believes otherwise.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 31 January 2016 11: 00
            +4
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            Nuka say your facts, I want to listen to your truth.

            So in the article it is written - However, most likely, under certain conditions, stabilized, and so in almost every paragraph - it is overwhelmed!
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 31 January 2016 11: 17
          +6
          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          This is all crap full of cheers.

          That's for sure - the authors and
          In Severodvinsk, in a planned manner, large surface ships are being upgraded: the 1164 Atlant cruisers (Moscow, Varyag and Marshal Ustinov) - on the Zvezdochka and TARK project 1144 Orlan (Admiral Nakhimov, Petr Great ”) - on Sevmash.
          although in fact only Nakhimov and Ustinov. And they are going to lay aircraft carriers with destroyers and UDCs, although it is a no-brainer that in conditions of budget cuts, they would fulfill the current program. The construction of a second rescuer of the "Belousov" type has already been temporarily abandoned, the completion of the Lad has been moved again, the rest is at Anton's post)
          1. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 11: 30
            +4
            The 21300 project has not yet been transferred, the decision on serial construction will be made after the trial operation of Belousov, that is, the year in 17, maybe we'll see later. This, of course, provided that he shows himself normally during this time. In short, the rest of the rescuers are already sure after 20 will be.

            On the account of how things are and how AV and UDC are not in the know, but a little is enlightened by the Leader, work is underway, SPKB will soon complete work on 22160, a lot of resources will be released, and things will go even more fun. . the project is underway, albeit in the initial stage, but it’s still not so fairy tales anymore ...

            Lads are most likely to be built in large numbers and will not. Now AV has an order for 2 Algeria, plus another series for us 636.3, plus 2 677, + some new supplier has gathered to collect it, + 99% that they will still collect 21300, in general there is work before the beginning / middle of the decade, and Kalina’s project should already be ready by that time, and most likely somewhere in the middle of the next decade, the construction of the 5 generation NPLs will unfold, what kind of Lada ...
            1. DarkMatter
              DarkMatter 31 January 2016 11: 53
              +4
              SPKB will complete work on 22160 soon

              And what kind of work is being done there? After all, the Zelenodoltsy are building their second year belay
              Do you want to install other engines or what?
              1. Anton Gavrilov
                Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 11: 57
                +1
                The production of working drawings is not finished yet. But they will finish by pretty soon.

                And here, too, the campaign of the 23-th day will be laid down the 3-th month.
                1. DarkMatter
                  DarkMatter 31 January 2016 12: 06
                  +2
                  Ok thanks hi
                  Immediately the third, without running in the first, and even where to take the gas turbines for them, the Chinese will give something.
                  1. Anton Gavrilov
                    Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 12: 09
                    0
                    There is a diesel EC there, not a gas turbine one. There, on this project, I had to make wild import substitution, because there was an imported one there, and not only diesel engines, for example, the steering car was originally from Italy ...
                  2. Anton Gavrilov
                    Anton Gavrilov 31 January 2016 12: 09
                    0
                    The ship is not very complicated, there is nothing really to seriously check there, and there is nothing really to seriously check.
                    1. DarkMatter
                      DarkMatter 31 January 2016 12: 16
                      +1
                      And it seems they said that the gas turbine. Well then simpler. And Zelenodoltsy should not fail, this is good news.
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 31 January 2016 12: 22
              +1
              Quote: Anton Gavrilov
              On the account of how things are and how AV and UDC are not in the know, but a little is enlightened by the Leader, work is underway, SPKB will soon complete work on 22160, a lot of resources will be released, and things will go even more fun. . the project is underway, albeit in the initial stage, but it’s still not so fairy tales anymore ...

              The project will end, this is undoubtedly only afraid that the construction itself may be postponed until the deal with the finances is stabilized. The lead ship, and even such a large one, is very long and expensive. In the context of austerity, all funds can be directed to the construction of serial, well-developed projects. Experiments only with a mosquito fleet such as Karakurt, etc. hi

              PS I will be glad of course to be mistaken
        3. proud
          proud 31 January 2016 16: 12
          +1
          You tell the truth, dear, the Tale is beautiful and reality, alas, no
      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 January 2016 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        you must read GPV first

        Read, of course, necessary. And THINK apparently not necessary? Why are you now bringing GPV 2020, which has long been failed?
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        up to ten strategic missile submarine cruisers of the project 955 / 955A / 955U

        Это будет
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        and as many - multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 855 / 855M

        Program reduced to seven
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        twenty diesel and non-nuclear submarines, six will make boats of the project 636.3 Varshavyanka, and fourteen boats of the modified project 677 Lada,

        Is it okay that the serial construction of "Lad" was abandoned?
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        four helicopter carriers "Mistral"

        No one.
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        eight frigates of project 22350

        Of which, as of now, four are not even mortgaged.
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        thirty-five corvettes, of which at least twenty corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385, and corvettes of a completely new project

        Torn down due to engine problems. Now we have 4 corvettes in service and 7 in various stages of construction.
        And this despite the fact that even 100% completion of GPV 2020 did not give us any powerful fleet - for example, updating the ship's staff at a minimum level, if we do not want to completely be left without a fleet
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 31 January 2016 14: 01
          +3
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And this despite the fact that even 100% completion of GPV 2020 did not give us any powerful fleet - for example, updating the ship's staff at a minimum level, if we do not want to completely be left without a fleet

          Since it seems that the Russian people especially do not want to spend money on the fleet and are going to beat the enemy on their territory, someone and you clearly read articles about aircraft carriers, destroyers and cruisers on this forum.
          Now at the Pacific Fleet there is not a single multi-purpose nuclear submarine for three years and nothing, it seems to me that the Kuril Islands are not needed by the Japanese in FIG, they cling to Russia for courage, such as a pre-election move, on the other hand, the light will not converge on 2020 and will be 2030, the main thing is to adequately hold the World Cup.
    2. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2016 20: 29
      0
      Destroyer Prokhorov, Usmanov, etc. Let them even get the right to give their ships their names. Morozov and Tretyakov were not shy!
  4. Koronik
    Koronik 31 January 2016 07: 00
    -1
    A good article, let's hope that all plans to upgrade our fleet will be fulfilled, according to established schedules and better quality. God bless us!
  5. Fedor and Co.
    Fedor and Co. 31 January 2016 07: 25
    11
    There will be funding - everyone will build. He worked at "Zvezda" - our people are ideological and if it is necessary for the country then they will work in three shifts, but the workers need to pay money! - all the more not so space salaries from shipbuilders.
  6. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 31 January 2016 07: 36
    +8
    The idea of ​​creating an SSBN (according to the authors' terminology) is not new. At one time, even the idea of ​​building w / concrete underwater platforms was put forward. Why not? And then, instead of stupidly cutting SSBNs, which supposedly are no longer needed, as there is now an opinion about the "Sharks", convert them into SSBNs. From the pier and they will shoot great !!! In 1944, when the German troops were evacuated from the Crimea, the Black Sea Fleet was in the bases! ??? Why do you need a fleet that does not leave the base, that is, from the pier?
    A very unexpected remark about "Ivan Gren" - really !? waited?
    We also remembered the aircraft carrier. How many debates there have been on this topic will not calm down. Yes, until there is a normal ocean-going fleet (destroyers, BODs, frigates ...), all these are just words, unsupported and an unjustified waste of funds. What are the escort options for Kuzi if it consists of a tanker, a rescuer, and 1 TFR or BOD? A minimum of 4 TFR, such as "Grigorovich", plus 1-2 multipurpose submarines.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 08: 11
      +4
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      What are the possibilities of escort Kuzi, if it consists of a tanker, rescuer, yes 1 TFR or BOD?

      Actually, "Kuznetsov", for a variety of reasons, only with a big stretch, can be called a full-fledged aircraft carrier. For demonstration of the flag and combat training it is quite suitable, for solving real combat missions - to a limited extent. So what is pop aircraft carrier, such coming escort.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 31 January 2016 09: 57
      +3
      The fleet is very expensive to risk it. Sometimes the fear of losing large ships outweighs common sense. So it was in Italy, when the fleet at key moments received a stop order. So it was at the Black Sea Fleet, when after the death of a number of ships at the crossings, as well as heavy damage to Molotov, the Headquarters banned the use of large ships, without a special order.

      Ivan Gren is already at the dock. By the way, as we see, the armament of his minimum option - 1 Duet and 2 AK-630.
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 31 January 2016 08: 48
    +6
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    “The rapid development of the“ mosquito ”fleet has become one of the signs of modern Russia”

    More like the truth .. the rest is blah blah blah

    Yes, the article is quite optimistic - ".. there is a fairly modern and powerful fleet .." I just had to add that this is a submarine fleet. As a component of the nuclear triad. And on the surface, a country cannot even build a destroyer! It is amused by the construction of boats, corvettes, training , rescue and other ships. The warships inherited from the USSR go across the seas and oceans. Here we are not too optimistic! hi
  8. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 31 January 2016 09: 19
    +3
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: kostya-petrov
    need to read

    well, we read: "expected", "in the coming years" and so on ...

    From .... ,, it is proposed "... to placed orders for .... more than one year will pass, as it seems.
    In general, an article about how well we WILL!
  9. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 31 January 2016 09: 51
    +3
    The article is not without errors, but positively conveys the situation. The active life of a swimmer is decades, but to break such a complex and expensive organism (doesn’t it surprise you in the photo?)
    like the Fleet, you can lose frames quickly.
    Much has been done, according to the state of our shipbuilding industry and its personnel there are a lot. Studying is in progress and is being built from small to large, for the ship is even today the most complex object that man could build. Do not allocate how much money, but it will not work faster because experience and ... cadres decide everything ...
    There is a war, everyone is being modernized and rearmament! Armed forces, all branches of the armed forces, corny lacking competent and experienced specialists. And for the fleet they are introducing first-order orders that allow them to build up their defense potential quickly enough or the need to replace them has matured in the early 90 ... x. This is about the auxiliary fleet and coastal structure.
    Time and personnel, this is the most necessary resource, which, as always, is not enough.
    1. Sultan Babai
      Sultan Babai 1 February 2016 02: 10
      +1
      I agree, there is a banal lack of experienced welders, turners, milling workers ... everyone is now studying lawyers.
  10. Senior manager
    Senior manager 31 January 2016 10: 14
    +3
    It’s difficult for gentlemen to talk to the couch generals, and some just broadcast about how military operations will unfold for a simple reason - there is no practical experience of actions, respectively, and results. And what is the argument about? And how much and where do you need to undermine the YaB for guaranteed destruction of the AUG. There is a theory, no practice. How essential is the aircraft carrier’s own armament. There is a theory - there is no practice. An important role is played by His Majesty the case, the work of intelligence, the work of communications in a very fleeting battle. And on VO one idea is visible - to crush by quantity. At this stage of our economic situation, as much as possible is done, as I think, and if necessary, the answer will need to be given in cash and diminishingly. Count Suvorov has extensive experience in this area.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 31 January 2016 10: 44
    -3
    The soul rejoices after reading the article. The more the "partners" press Russia, the more effectively they get a rebuff. And let's not forget that the best defense is offense.
  12. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 31 January 2016 10: 49
    +3
    "... it is already known that the Boreas will carry only 16 ICBMs. There is no talk of any 20 ICBMs ... "
    - again unarmed, woe to us crying
    "... for a country like Russia, the fleet is humiliating, negligible ... about ten times smaller than the American ..."
    - and the fact that there are 10 times more places in the world where the Russian army can just walk? Or the main thing - show-off? How humiliated I am that because of the "mosquito" in the Caspian Sea, the American aircraft carrier tore out of the bay so that it almost broke off the screws laughing
    "This is all full of crap for hurray patriots"
    - this is how we live - incorrectly, ineptly, with a tag - "hurray-patriot", "Putinist", "sovok" - who else is there? Before communicating, you need to determine what label the interlocutor has - otherwise you don't know what stamps to use?
    Like small children, by golly ...
  13. remy
    remy 31 January 2016 10: 55
    +2
    What kind of nuclear submarine is Khabarovsk?
    this is not the first article, is it 855 or 955?
    or stuffing misinformation?
    1. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 31 January 2016 11: 41
      +4
      Neither one nor the other - project 09851.
      Speculation about her wagon and a small cart. Starting from the use in the interests of the GUGI, continuing with information about the unique GEM and ending with a completely new generation of wunderwaffes with all sorts of whistles.
      Well, no one knows the truth, and those who know, you yourself understand bully
  14. Old26
    Old26 31 January 2016 11: 19
    +9
    I thought for a long time what to put the article: plus or minus, but ultimately settled on the "minus".
    It seems to be a fairly decent article, enough information, but it seems that it was written about 5 years ago, no less and did not try to correct it. A bunch of mistakes, it’s not clear where the numbers come from. Especially the second part, when the author begins to come up with his own name for a complex of weapons. Moreover, the complex that was created and was recognized as not meeting the characteristics that strategic weapons systems should have

    Quote: kostya-petrov
    you must read GPV first so as not to draw such conclusions

    If you read, dear Konstantin, it turns out that what was in the GPV is even greater fiction, moreover, uncorrected fiction. These figures were announced about 4 years ago and have not been corrected in any way. Therefore, against the background of current realities, it sounds rather stupid. For example, 4 "Mistrals" or 14 "Lad", or 6 large landing ships of the "Ivan Gren" type.

    Separately, I would like to touch the boats of project 636.3. Not even their number, now it is adjusted (in reality) in the direction of increase, but the name.
    Namely, the name "Varshavyanka". After all, it was received by the boats of the project 877 "Halibut" (by the western KILO). They were intended for export to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, for which they received such a name.
    But boats 636.3 are not supposed for the VD countries due to the absence of such, and it is called "Varshavyanka" out of habit.
    Yes, the project is based on 877, but ... To name a boat now by the name of the capital of one of the NATO countries, which is also very aggressive towards Russia, is very creative.
    And it turns out that some start to resent that we sometimes use NATO or American designations for missiles or planes, considering it unpatriotic, and here ... laughing

    The second part of the article is such that the author generally introduces his own terminology and he has strategic submarines - Strategic Missile Submarine Cruiser (SSBN)- have the same abbreviation as the complex invented by him - strategic missile submarine complex (RPKSN in the terminology of the author). But it was possible not to invent, but simply read about the relevant projects that were earlier and were not implemented due to the mismatch of their characteristics with the tasks, read the texts of strategic arms agreements, and then propose.
    1. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 15: 54
      0
      about Warsaw appreciated +
  15. itr
    itr 31 January 2016 13: 55
    +2
    I, as the author of the article, are a patriot of my country, but only in the marine industry there are very big problems, they obviously do not stretch the task especially. St. Petersburg, in my opinion there need directors to change some PR shows no more
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 31 January 2016 16: 33
      +1
      Petersburgers something to do with? Admiralety shipyard, together with Zedenodolsk, are the only ones who, perhaps, do not break the deadlines, well, Pella, by the way, from St. Petersburg, but the scale is different there. The Northern Shipyard does not shine, but in comparison with the Far East, in general, the champions - 4 corvettes built 20380 against the 10-year-old construction of "Perfect" (not yet commissioned). Amber failed last year, paid a fine of 375 million already - in 2015, Grigorovich, Essen and Gren were supposed to hand over.
  16. michell
    michell 31 January 2016 15: 39
    +6
    I did not give the article either a plus or a minus. The Strategic Underwater Missile Complex invented by the authors is complete nonsense. Based on the logic of the authors, the designers of our strategic missile carriers (not the most stupid people) have been creating overly perfect ships for more than 20 years - why are all these super-perfect submarine missile carriers capable of breaking through the Islano-Faroe border, possessing a high degree of stealth, if you can stupidly build a sea barge with the same sixteen missiles, at the moment "H" to take it out by the harbor tug behind the booms and launch it? Cheap and cheerful bully . Why do we need the sea component of the strategic nuclear forces - to place all missiles on land and point. Only the authors for some reason missed the fact of the presence in the US Navy of Aegis destroyers and cruisers with missile defense on board. An expensive strategic submarine is needed precisely in order to strike in the immediate vicinity of the enemy’s coasts from a minimum distance, reducing the missile’s flight time, and, accordingly, the missile interception system’s ability to intercept missiles - less approach time - less ability to intercept a missile. Moreover, in this case, the launch area is not obvious, which also creates additional difficulties for interception. Something like this.
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 31 January 2016 19: 56
      0
      One does not interfere. While missile defense intercepts missiles from the "barge", strategic submarines work out on targets.
  17. X Y Z
    X Y Z 31 January 2016 16: 57
    +1
    I agree. The author absolutely does not compare the risks of a breakthrough of anti-submarine defense with the risks of the destruction of a missile / warhead by missile defense.
  18. viktor561
    viktor561 31 January 2016 18: 21
    0
    I’m not sure that there are specialists here - but I’ll tell you that the only connection under water (with the submarine from the shore) is ultra-long radio waves and only Russia owns this. The kilometer-wide glades in the taiga and the even landscape of the tundra + huge antennas - allows you to transmit an ultra-low frequency radio signal under water for submarines without surfacing them - there are no such technologies in the world - of course the huge energy costs of ground stations - but it's worth it - any of our submarines under water can get an order on the radio, which is not in the world !!!!!
    Do not comment on P / S amateurs - and tutorials on the propagation of radio waves in different environments to help!
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 31 January 2016 21: 09
      0
      Quote: viktor561
      I’m not sure that there are specialists here - but I’ll tell you that the only connection under water (with the submarine from the shore) is ultra-long radio waves and only Russia owns this. The kilometer-wide glades in the taiga and the even landscape of the tundra + huge antennas - allows you to transmit an ultra-low frequency radio signal under water for submarines without surfacing them - there are no such technologies in the world - of course the huge energy costs of ground stations - but it's worth it - any of our submarines under water can get an order on the radio, which is not in the world !!!!!
      Do not comment on P / S amateurs - and tutorials on the propagation of radio waves in different environments to help!


      Victor! Ahinei do not write please!
      And take an interest in yourself, where in the Soviet Union came the communication system with submarines on extra-long waves.

      If you do not want to strain your mind, then I will tell you.
      Ours took her out of Germany. In 1945 year. And in almost the same form, with the same antennas, she still stands and works in Kstovo.
      A lot of countries own technologies for ADD, and Russia, and the USA, and England and Germany, and Japan and China, and even Germany (as a discoverer).

      Multi-kilometer clearings are no longer needed.
      There is a technology for using the Earth's crust and almost the core (something very complicated for my understanding of the processes themselves) to transmit signals.
      And this technology is already being used.
      1. viktor561
        viktor561 1 February 2016 16: 39
        0
        Well, you gave a rustle - NU-NU - what kind of fiction do you read?
        For ADD, huge empty and free spaces are needed - which are not found anywhere else in the world, except for Russia - I'm talking about ADD which covers almost the entire world ocean, and not the local sea as it was in Germany - but their idea, like many others, is another embodiment! (I'm glad that at least someone heard about ADD - and I did a doctorate on this)
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 1 February 2016 21: 26
          0
          Quote: viktor561
          Well, you gave a rustle - NU-NU - what kind of fiction do you read?
          For ADD, huge empty and free spaces are needed - which are not found anywhere else in the world, except for Russia - I'm talking about ADD which covers almost the entire world ocean, and not the local sea as it was in Germany - but their idea, like many others, is another embodiment! (I'm glad that at least someone heard about ADD - and I did a doctorate on this)


          Well, the doctor - well done!
          But, nevertheless, you somehow think inadequately.
          Only in Russia.
          Everywhere. where there is an atomic missile-bearing sub-melting, a priori there is an ADD communication system.

          The German Goliath did not work in the Baltic puddle, but throughout the Atlantic. Including on the Cape of Good Hope - for the German submarines had good fun then.
          As far as I understand, now you just need to drill 3-6 kilometers from the ground at certain points to place the type of "electrodes" - emitters. And many kilometers of glades are no longer so needed.
  19. 39GB
    39GB 31 January 2016 21: 49
    0
    A lot of words and pathos in the article. The authors are clearly not friends with arithmetic and give Wishlist for reality. Fifty ships and ships, last year, from dampness come from?
  20. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 1 February 2016 02: 13
    +1
    I agree that the ships are complex technical products ... and then why be surprised that the deadlines for the delivery of the ships can not stand. Let's be honest, shipbuilding did not develop in the 90s, and development is necessary all the time, otherwise you will build ships that are already outdated at the time of laying.
  21. viktor561
    viktor561 1 February 2016 16: 17
    0
    Quote: mav1971
    There is a technology for using the Earth's crust and almost the core (something very complicated for my understanding of the processes themselves) to transmit signals.
    Well, you gave a rustle - NU-NU - what kind of fiction do you read?
    For ADD, huge empty and free spaces are needed - which are not found anywhere else in the world, except for Russia - I'm talking about ADD which covers almost the entire world ocean, and not the local sea as it was in Germany - but their idea, like many others, is another embodiment! (I'm glad that at least someone heard about ADD - and I did a doctorate on this)
  22. Witold
    Witold April 30 2016 18: 11
    -1
    Do not understand. In Russia, draftsmen still work on kulnans?