Japanese "Mitsubishi" introduced a prototype aircraft with stealth technology

Japanese information portal Kyodo News reports that a prototype aircraft is presented in Japan, which, as the developers say, "is virtually impossible to detect with modern radars." The development of such an aircraft was carried out by employees of the company. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. The presentation took place in the factory workshop of Toyama (the center of the eponymous prefecture).

According to the developers, the stealth plane must first undergo a series of ground tests. If these tests are recognized by experts as successful, by the end of February the first aircraft of this type will be able to take to the air to conduct a new series of tests. The first flight is planned to make a demo. The plane must make a flight from Nagoya to the Japanese Air Force Gifu airbase.

Japanese press reveals some parameters of the company's aircraft Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Its length is 14,2 m, width - 9,1 m, height - 4,5 m.

The development of the invisible aircraft in Japan began about 6 years ago. About 0,3 billion dollars was spent for these purposes. In the Japanese press, the prototype was dubbed "stealth fighter."

Comments

[Primus pilus]

Strange why not the F-35?

[Trigger-Happy]

they will fly to Okinawa, it will be necessary, and they will not ask permission !!!

[crazyrom]

And let this plane, on a dispute, fly into 200km from С-400, and see if it will return to its Japan, or will they pick it out of the ocean? They are close to them there, our air defense must be on Sakhalin.

[Dmitry Toderes]

The Japanese behave in a bragging manner - they have not even built a flight prototype, but already say that it is impossible to detect. Laughter and more.

[Jack-b]

Quote: Dmitry Toderese

The Japanese behave in a bragging manner - they have not even built a flight prototype, but already say that it is impossible to detect. Laughter and more.

Of course it's impossible. The white-red color is clearly invisible in the optical range. All other invisibility technologies are probably at the same high level implemented.

Threat. But in general, the Japanese fellows. For 6 years from scratch IMHO a good result. And given their meticulousness and high level of technology, there is no doubt that the performance will really be high.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Jack-B

. But in general, the Japanese fellows. For 6 years from scratch, IMHO a good result. And given their meticulousness and high level of technology, there is no doubt that the performance will really be high.

Mitsu has a lot of experience in building aircraft, and judging by the quality of the machines, everything is very good.

[Pajamas]

It’s an imaginary stealth, it’s like an imaginary friend in children, children consider it to be real, but everyone around it doesn’t see it, it remains a big mystery how its video was received, but the desire for spatial imagination of the Japanese is commendable, portraying only $ 3 50 million a year the plane just looks like a big CR and imagine that it is not visible, I think the Moscow Aviation Institute for such money and in such a time would make two)).

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Pajama

This is an imaginary stealth, it’s like in children - an imaginary friend, the children consider it quite real, but everyone around it does not see it,

We have many imaginary projects, Rosanano, for example, but this does not prevent us from believing that we have the best of the best

[Pajamas]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: Pajama

This is an imaginary stealth, it’s like in children - an imaginary friend, the children consider it quite real, but everyone around it does not see it,

We have many imaginary projects, Rosanano, for example, but this does not prevent us from believing that we have the best of the best

It may not bother you, but a reasonable doubt bothers me, the USA needed 22 years for the F-17 from the technical specification to the first pre-production machine and about ten billion dollars, in the USA there is an aircraft construction school, a scientific base, and two of the three world giants together Lockheed / Boeing , and then, of course, Japan, and oh, the horror of the mega Mitsubishi corporation, which produces from pots to planes, submarines, but all high-tech products together with other people's brains, the USA, Sweden and so on, everywhere there is no candle, not a damn poker, but here themselves - 300 million 9 years old and now "it's practically impossible to detect with modern radars", I don't know, maybe they release good forks, remove udon from the ears?

[Sergei1982]

It may not bother you, but justified doubt bothers me; the USA took 22 years from the TK to the first pre-production car and under a dozen billion dollars for the F-17

for those who are not understanding, read the technology demonstrator completely.

[Pajamas]

Quote: Sergei1982

for those who are not understanding, read the technology demonstrator completely.

Get to know yourself "by the end of February, the first aircraft of this type will be able to take off for a new series of tests. The first flight is planned to be made for a demonstration. The aircraft is to fly from Nagoya to the Gifu Japanese Air Force base." Than this is not a flight pre-production model, in comparison, it is fantastic that 17 years have passed before the flying model, here the flying ones in February, if we talk about the series, then the F-22 from TZ to the series is 20 years old. If this is a demonstrator, then a demonstrator of what? Make the model even 2 times smaller, 5 times smaller, an aircraft model, and demonstrate that it is not detected by the radar, as a result - I have reasonable doubts, you do not have, I fully admit that you perceive this statement as reliable.

[the most important]

Quote: Pajama

I think the Moscow Aviation Institute for such money and in such a time would make two)).

Tajik team for the money cut out a hundred pieces from a tree! But where will the Japanese stick ammunition ???? probably a bomb and a tanker will follow ...

[Alex_Rarog]

And the price tag for the development of more than adequate only 0.3 lard dead presidents ..

[Gronsky]

Mitsubishi in general is a jack of all trades - tanks, airplanes, ships, and cars. In short, both the Swiss and the reaper and the dude are on the pipe. But we must admit that everyone is doing it honestly.
P.S. That's just embarrassing shields behind the nozzles of the engines. This is the ersatz variant of the deflected thrust vector. They look somehow awkward. All the same, the lack of a design school in aviation makes itself felt.
Anyway, the plane creates the same impression of prematurity as the Chinese J20. In general, they tried to get out of their way, but for now ..... Koryavyenko.

[svp67]

Quote: Gronsky

But we must admit that everyone is doing it honestly.

It looks like you didn’t have to exploit their "Lancer" 10 series ... Then you would change your mind a little.

[Karlovar]

Theirs diesel-electric submarines "Soryu" abruptly "Varshavyank" and "Lad" will be .... Helicopter carriers and destroyers are very serious build ... These facts do not suggest their technologies and industrial base ???

[Vladimir 23rus]

For 6 years from scratch IMHO a good result

Do you remember when Iran (under sanctions) really showed its prototype from scratch? They crap from head to toe, and here the nippons fellows. Then there were mainly complaints about the sizes, so there’s not much more if you look closely!

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Vladimir 23rus

Do you remember when Iran (under sanctions) really showed its prototype from scratch? Crap from head to toe,

I remember. I personally laughed at the Iranian layout and picked up the minuses. And now I want to ask: - "And de our Iranian pipelats? Shikoka swooped in and showed what was so outstanding?" So, with a Japanese masterpiece, it won't be much better. A model made of plastic and a wishlist for it is one thing, but a flying and confirming wishlist sample is such a distant future and so much different from the wishlist that we swami will have time to forget about what they promised in it.

[Pimply]

Quote: cherkas.oe

I remember. I personally laughed at the Iranian layout and picked up the minuses. And now I want to ask: - "And de our Iranian pipelats? Shikoka swooped in and showed what was so outstanding?" So, with a Japanese masterpiece, it won't be much better. A model made of plastic and a wishlist for it is one thing, but a flying and confirming wishlist sample is such a distant future and so much different from the wishlist that we swami will have time to forget about what they promised in it.

The Japanese, unlike Iran, rolled out a completely viable model. Do not forget that the Japanese, in addition to leadership in electronics, have quite a decent experience in aircraft manufacturing.

[Pajamas]

Quote: Pimply

Do not forget that the Japanese, in addition to leadership in electronics, have quite a decent experience in aircraft manufacturing.

What is this? And what's decent in it? You won't even be saved by Google.

[Pimply]

Quote: Pajama

What is this? And what's decent in it? You won't even be saved by Google.

And what to save?
Mitsubishi F-2, for example, based on the F-16, with a bunch of original Japanese technology, starting with the development of the airframe.
Mitsubishi F-1
Fuji T-7
NAMC YS-11
F-4E was manufactured in Japan under license. Not an assembly. Production.
F-15DJ, again licensed production with a bunch of proprietary technologies.
Kawasaki C-1 and Kawasaki C-2 transporters
Kawasaki t-4

The aerospace industry to list all, dear?

[Pajamas]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: Pajama

What is this? And what's decent in it? You won't even be saved by Google.

And what to save?
Mitsubishi F-2, for example, based on the F-16, with a bunch of original Japanese technology, starting with the development of the airframe.
Mitsubishi F-1
Fuji T-7
NAMC YS-11
F-4E was manufactured in Japan under license. Not an assembly. Production.
F-15DJ, again licensed production with a bunch of proprietary technologies.
Kawasaki C-1 and Kawasaki C-2 transporters
Kawasaki t-4

The aerospace industry to list all, dear?

Did the circus finish?

[Pimply]

Quote: Pajama

Did the circus finish?

My little illiterate friend, do you have something essentially? Or just insult from own illiteracy?

[Pajamas]

Quote: Pimply

My little illiterate friend, do you have something essentially? Or just insult from own illiteracy?

Here, just, the resentment shows through in you, you easily switch to you in communication with unfamiliar people, apparently amicosity and familiarity, it is in the order of things for you to address "native" (you are not a kid by chance, then a lot becomes clear) and a lot of nonsense

Quote: Pimply

with a bunch of original Japanese technology starting with the development of the glider.

Are you giving out, isn't it a circus? As for the age, I think that I am older than many of the repatriates, although what does this have to do with the being, as you deigned to say. Believe in the stealth of Japanese aircraft that is "virtually impossible to detect with modern radars" based on what? Perhaps you can determine this from the photo, and you can also evaluate the capabilities of all modern radars? Did you scan the pimples? Believe in the aircraft industry of the island state at the 5th generation level and cite as an example the development, or rather alterations, of the middle and the end of the last century, this right is ridiculous, so I ask - "Have you finished circus?" I didn’t think I would have to explain it to you (this is what this PZh buffoon brought the "promised land" to), but you are also touchy.

[Pimply]

Quote: Pajama

Here, just, the resentment shows through in you, you easily switch to you in communication with unfamiliar people, apparently amicosity and familiarity, it is in the order of things for you to address "native" (you are not a kid by chance, then a lot becomes clear) and a lot of nonsense

My little friend, I brought in my defense the specific aircraft that the Japanese aircraft industry was building. You told me in your defense how I offended you poor. Will you try one more time?

[Pajamas]

Quote: Pimply

My little friend, I brought in my defense the specific aircraft that the Japanese aircraft industry was building. You told me in your defense how I offended you poor. Will you try one more time?

You cannot offend me, it is not given to you.

Of course, I’ll try the second time if you don’t understand from the first:

Believe in the aircraft industry of the island state at the 5th generation level and cite as an example the development, or rather alterations of the middle and the end of the last century, this right is ridiculous, so I ask - "Did you finish the circus?

You see, to take the trouble to explain something, it is only necessary if you have confidence that the person you are talking to has the apparatus of rational thinking and can understand not the most difficult arguments, but I don’t have any confidence, there’s not even hope that you have such a device.

How can you take the argument, how you write "in your defense" about the possibility of building the Fuji T-7 by the aviation industry - a pre-flight training aircraft developed by the Japanese company Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. based on TCB T-3 1968

The rest of your attempts are not much better, do you really think that after this they will not consider you a clown and ask about that wonderful place where you were taught?

[Pimply]

Quote: Pajama

How can you take the argument, how you write "in your defense" about the possibility of building the Fuji T-7 by the aviation industry - a pre-flight training aircraft developed by the Japanese company Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. based on TCB T-3 1968

I brought a dozen aircraft, my friend.
I repeat again.
Enterprises of the national aviation industry of Japan produce their own tactical fighters F-2A and American (under license) F-15J "Eagle", F-4E "Phantom", base patrol aircraft P-3C "Orion" and EP-3C "Orion", as well as national anti-submarine R-1 and EW YS-11EA; military transport aircraft developed in Japan: С-1, YS-11, С-2. UP-3C, MU-2 (LR-1) and licensed Beach 350 King Air (LR-2). In addition, the production of licensed Hawker 800 (U-125A) search and rescue aircraft was launched, as well as the US-1A and US-2 (Shin Meiva company) created to replace them. Also, seven types of samples of its own trainer aircraft F-2B, T / XT-4, T-5 are produced. T-7, YS-11 and three licensed: Beach 400, Beach 90, F-15DJ. 7 Karl, 7! And you remembered one of them.
Japan produces its own reconnaissance and communications helicopters of one series - ON-1, however, under the license of foreign countries, it produces anti-tank helicopters AN-1S Cobra and AH-64D Apache, multipurpose UH-60JA Black Hawk, UH-1H / J, reconnaissance and communications OH-6D / DA, military transport CH-47 Chinook, anti-submarine SH-60B Sea Hawk, SH-60K, USH-60K, minesweeping helicopters MH-53E and search and rescue UH- 60J.

At present, in Japan there are 146 firms and research organizations operating in the field of development and production of aircraft. The largest among them are Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Fuji Heavy Industries, and IHI, the leader in Japanese aircraft engine manufacturing. Most products are licensed by US and European companies, including Boeing, Airbus Industries, Pratt & Whitney, General Electric, Rolls-Royce and others. As of January 1, there were 2008 years in the industry 24 561 people are employed.

The budget for the aircraft industry in 2008 exceeded 1 140 billion yen (more than 10 billion US dollars). According to the main types of products, it is distributed as follows:

- fuselages and their individual elements - 60 percent .;

- engines and components - 29 percent;

- avionics and aircraft equipment - 11 percent.

In general, the Japanese aviation industry currently provides about 0,24 percent. gross national product, yielding in this indicator to industry in Canada (1,74 percent), France (1,6 percent), Great Britain (1,55 percent), USA (1,35 percent) and Germany (0,74 percent).

Should I continue, little offended illiterate friend?

[Pajamas]

Well, it’s already better, praise, you have learned to at least think before writing any nonsense, and give an example

Quote: Pimply

Mitsubishi F-1
Fuji T-7
NAMC YS-11
F-4E was manufactured in Japan under license. Not an assembly. Production.
F-15DJ, again licensed production with a bunch of proprietary technologies.
Kawasaki transporters C-1

in comparison with this first nonsense, progress is already.
But unfortunately not big, Everything except the F2 and C-2 license. License Carl! What does it have to do with the success of the national aviation industry, so is routine. What is the success - is there electricity and the conveyor is working?
It is not sad, but ALL the engines worthy of mentioning cannot be made by your wonderful aviation industry; motor junk is licensed. Well, the last of all the nonsense you listed is your own DEVELOPMENT:
F2 - 30% US glider development, US engines
and MTC S-2 with modifications, its own airframe, US engine.
Total one and a half aircraft without engines.

All your excursions are licensed in% of workers, you rub the factories to your compatriots, in your opinion, Mexico and China are the leading automakers in the world and can develop cars comparable to Japanese and German, because there are even more plants and the number of people employed in the auto industry, but simpler than an airplane - you are an excellent comedian !!

Essentially - your fallacies, this is your personal affair, you can continue to continue to believe that the country that developed the sex of the fighter over the last 50 years(I marked what happened to you), without its own engines, it will be able to build a 5th generation fighter myself.
Protect bumps.
PS Helicopters are not bad among the Japanese, but there was no talk about them.

[Pimply]

Quote: Pajama

But unfortunately not big, Everything except the F2 and C-2 license. License Carl! What does it have to do with the success of the national aviation industry, so is routine. What is the success - is there electricity and the conveyor is working?

Dear little illiterate friend. Your trouble is that you will defend your ignorance all the way. And I was always taught not to throw beads in front of pigs 8) Forgive me, good luck.

[abrakadabre]

Vague doubts torment me ...

The Japanese had just 300 million bucks left, the Americans had many, eleven billion. Either the Americans spent too much, or the Japanese approached the finished plane in proportion to the costs.

[Pimply]

Quote: abrakadabre

abrakadabre Yesterday, 21: 54 ↑
Vague doubts torment me ...

The Japanese had just 300 million bucks left, the Americans had many, eleven billion. Either the Americans spent too much, or the Japanese approached the finished plane in proportion to the costs.

For starters, this is a technology demonstrator. Secondly, the Japanese are walking along an already beaten road. Thirdly, the Americans actually built three aircraft. Fourth, the Japanese make fewer demands on their car

[abrakadabre]

So I say that for the money it is, as a maximum, a demonstrator

[Sergei1982]

For 6 years from scratch, IMHO a good result.

It's just a demostrator of technology, it goes on to say that the prototype will fly in 2024-2025, and in a series by 2030-2035, so something like that.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Dmitry Toderese

even a flight prototype has not yet been built, but they already say

from 0.20 sec - is it ???

[mealnik2005]

He neighs for a long time - the aircraft model looks good, but it’s an aircraft model ... even though it flies. In Soviet times, they were not built like that. I personally remember a flying model of a 2-meter-sized maize, and even made of metal.

[78bor1973]

I think the fate of the Israeli "KFIR" awaits if it really turns out to be a standing car, judging by the dimensions of a very small plane!

[clidon]

They behave like everyone else.

[opus]

Quote: Dmitry Toderese

Laughter and more.

laughter (their above us) - this is RUSNANO and Chubais

RUSNANO Battery Production Plant declared bankruptThe Novosibirsk Region Arbitration Commission introduced the monitoring procedure at Energy Solutions (formerly Lithium-Ion Technologies, operates a battery manufacturing plant of the Rusnano Corporation).
The largest enterprise for the production of lithium-ion batteries, the Liotech plant, opened in December 2011 as a joint venture Rusnano and the Chinese Thunder Sky Group. The volume of investments amounted to 14,8 billion rubles, but the plant never reached its design capacity. In 2013, the Chinese partner left the project.


In the fall of 2015, the government issued Rusnano state guarantees for 70 billion rubles. From 2016 to 2020, a state-owned company may receive more than 50 billion rubles in subsidies as part of state support for the nanoindustry.
Moreover, since 2007 (the year of creation), Rusnano made a profit only once in 2014 - 8 billion rubles, and that was only because of the devaluation of the ruble.


And Mitsubishi Heavy Industries does not throw words into the wind.

Quote: Dmitry Toderese

even a flight prototype has not yet been built, but they already say that it is impossible to detect.

On EPR and RL, the visibility is checked on the ground by irradiating La, which is on the suspension and in the "anechoic" chamber (KF) + by the calculation method

DO NOT FLY
BUT this Japanese "Mitsubishi" has flown more than once

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: opus

BUT this Japanese "Mitsubishi" has flown more than once

When? Where? And how many ? AndErsen you are ours. Purgu does not need revenge on the site.

[opus]

Quote: cherkas.oe

.Purgu revenge on the site is not necessary.

snowstorm in the brains (or rather, what they themselves consider to be brains) in the underdeveloped.

Quote: cherkas.oe

When? Where? And how many ? AND

We watch the video more carefully, but do not spill bile
c 0: 55

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: opus

We watch the video more carefully, but do not spill bile

I looked carefully, I do not like cartoons with aircraft models.

[Vladimir 23rus]

While he is in the hangar it is really impossible to detect it with radars !!!

[abrakadabre]

a prototype aircraft that, according to the developers, “is virtually impossible to detect with modern radars

even a flight prototype has not yet been built, but they already say that it is impossible to detect

And you try the radar to find a plane from papier-mâché.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Dmitry Toderese

The Japanese behave in a bragging manner - they have not even built a flight prototype, but already say that it is impossible to detect. Laughter and more.

It's too early to blame them on bragging. Maybe it's all about the materials from which they build the plane? And as my friend Pvoshnik said: Wait and see. Or we will not see. Invisibility ...

[Ami du peuple]

The development of the invisible aircraft in Japan began about 6 years ago. About these were spent 0,3 billion.

However, not much at all. Unlike the F-35, more than fifty yards in that Yankees swelled. That's just when this Japanese miracle technology will fly fully or will it be demonstrated in the hangar of stealth technology?
Anyway, it's kind of small. Under the growth of Japanese pilots customized or what?

[kil 31]

"virtually impossible to detect with modern radars."

I am concerned about the question. How was it determined? Did they try to test it on the radars of one of the potential opponents somewhere in the Kuril Islands?

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

There is nothing to intercept in the smokers.

[kil 31]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is nothing to intercept in the smokers.

So I wrote somewhere. Let them fly to Sakhalin.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Kil 31

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is nothing to intercept in the smokers.

So I wrote somewhere. Let them fly to Sakhalin.

This is a prototype - a full-scale model of the aircraft, or does not fly, and if it flies, then it is not a stealth. Just standing in the pavilion for advertising. If the Japanese had made at least one such real one, then it would not have been a prototype.

[kil 31]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: Kil 31

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is nothing to intercept in the smokers.

So I wrote somewhere. Let them fly to Sakhalin.

This is a prototype - a full-scale model of the aircraft, or does not fly, and if it flies, then it is not a stealth. Just standing in the pavilion for advertising. If the Japanese had made at least one such real one, then it would not have been a prototype.

Alex and I are about the same. Why soar brains in the press? Fly and check, and then give media interviews.

[gjv]

Quote: Алексей_К

This is a prototype - a full-scale model of the aircraft, or does not fly, and if it flies, then it is not a stealth. Just standing in the pavilion for advertising.

In 2005, the ATD-X was tested for radar signature; in 2006, tests began on a remotely controlled reduced prototype at a scale of 1: 5. In 2007, after the United States refused to sell a fifth-generation F-22 fighter to Japan, the Japanese government decided to build full-size ATD-X flight specs, while planning flight tests in the spring of 2014. ATD-X accounts for about a third of the man-hours that Japan spends on the development of military aircraft. In April 2010, the Japanese government announced a tender for the supply of jet engines for the project. As of March 2011, there is no data on the results of the tender. Initially, the flight of the first flight model of the promising fifth-generation fighter ATD-X Shinshin was scheduled for 2014, but due to difficulties it was postponed to the end of 2015.
Now the Japanese want to finish the flight tests in 2017. According to Western experts, if Japan does not refuse to implement the Shinshin program, the new aircraft will be able to enter the troops in 2018-2020.

[Blondy]

So on Iturup is a military airfield. Or was it already?

[gjv]

Quote: Blondy

on Iturup, a military airfield.

Burevestnik airfield is capable of receiving An-12, An-24, An-26 and more light aircraft, as well as all types of helicopters. The 378th IAP flying on the MiG-23 was withdrawn from the airfield in 1993. The military commandant’s office seems to have remained, but in what condition? Well, that is, in fact, now the airfield is not used by the aerospace forces. Although, if you look closely, you can see a couple of helicopters there.

[Falcon]

Quote: keel 31

I am concerned about the question. How was it determined? Did they try to test it on the radars of one of the potential opponents somewhere in the Kuril Islands?

They are on the radar and check, as in the others.

There are anechoic chambers - in which aircraft are irradiated from all angles to build a complete picture of the DOR.
For example F-22

There are also rotary stands - on which aircraft are irradiated, even with running engines in all directions, and they build DOR.
For example, Su-27

[kil 31]

Ours, Chinese?

[opus]

Quote: keel 31

Ours, Chinese?

Do you consider the EM radiation "our chi Chinese" radars "of a different system" than theirs?

Does he have the wrong grenade system?

If yes, then:

In 2008-2011, Russia sold developing countries 7750 air defense systems, The USA sold - 944, the countries of Western Europe - 290.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, the S-300PMU air defense system remained in service only in Slovakia and Bulgaria (now NATO countries). In the early 90s, the system was actively moving to foreign markets, in 1993, During the exhibition in Dubai, demonstration firing of the S-300PMU1 air defense system was carried outduring which the system hit all targets.


S-300V was delivered abroad only in one copy.In 1995, President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin agreed on its sale to the United States through Rosvooruzhenie as a gift to his friend Bill Clinton.Our former probable adversary received almost all components of this unique system, with the exception of the Ginger software radar.

Buk-M1 was supplied only to Finland in repayment of the Soviet state debt.

the Tor complex was delivered to Greece - the country, part of the NATO bloc, where the Osa-AK air defense system already existed.

ZRPK "Shell-C1" was shipped in the UAE in 2013 (they actually paid for it: KBP managed to sell the existing ZRPK only "on the whatman")

Yes and finally:

[tchoni]

very simple. There are closed rl polygons with anechoic chambers. there are programs for mathematical modeling of backscatter. All of this together allows us to assess the visibility in general and in general without real flight tests. after all, there are open polygons. Well, there’s an element of boasting

[Baikonur]

Quote: Ami du peuple

or will it demonstrate in the hangar stealth technology?

The Japanese press dubbed the prototype "stealth fighter"

And who is this little guy (Its length is 14,2 m, width - 9,1 m, height - 4,5 m) going to destroy?

[Scoun]

Quote: Baikonur

Quote: Ami du peuple

or will it demonstrate in the hangar stealth technology?

The Japanese press dubbed the prototype "stealth fighter"

And who is this little guy (Its length is 14,2 m, width - 9,1 m, height - 4,5 m) going to destroy?

"Small bug and smelly" It is really very interesting that they "shoved" into it and what its final characteristics will be, taking into account that it is almost 18% less than the MiG-29. Really, the hunt to find out at least the declared characteristics in terms of height, range, speed and load for such aircraft dimensions.
PS
It is of a type with a deflected vector; however, the scapulae are like dumb bears (externally).

[opus]

Quote: Scoun

though the scapula is like dumb bear’s (externally).

But much cheaper SUVT

and much longer

can be controlled in different ways

[adept666]

But much cheaper SUVT

Not an order of magnitude, but simply cheaper.

and much longer

Not proven by experiment, they deflect the jet already behind the nozzle, taking on a dynamic impact, for KLIVT-type systems the jet deflects more gently as the gas flow is built into the nozzle channel. In addition, deflector rotary flaps with a control mechanism are slightly heavier than the CWS of the KLIVT axisymmetric nozzle and they have less speed. With an increase in engine power, the difference will only increase.

can be controlled in different ways

It is possible, but the geometry of the jet can still not be sustained. During operation of the CLIVT, no matter how much the nozzle is rejected, the flow at the exit will always be with practically unchanged section geometry, which gives less traction loss. Well, to everything else, such an option of UVT (with deflectors) significantly increases the radar signature from the rear hemisphere. The Germans and Americans experimented a lot with this scheme, there were many pluses, but there were not a few minuses (I wrote the main ones), therefore there are no special advantages (technical) compared to the SUWT or the F-22 deflector option, but there are more minuses, but how A cheap UVT option, why not? In your first picture, the nozzle is not deflectable, but adjustable, in the second diagram it’s not classical (the conventional axisymmetric in Japanese), but wedge-shaped (its features, for example, option B for a Japanese machine is not reachable). In general, they are certainly well done car interesting.

[ars_pro]

and not only, judging by everything and with the thrust-to-weight ratio is not great

[code54]

I also looked at the dimensions ... nano rockets? and then, if the form is such, then due to the materials it is invisible? or how? tell me ... + with warmth what did you do?

[vagrant]

It’s hard to hide such a torch from nozzles. Stealth technology is a set of measures to reduce ESR and radar and everything else. A serif of air defense is carried out according to various parameters and characteristics. Therefore, this aircraft cannot be considered invisible. They lowered some parameter. For example, it can be seen from the video that the size of the aircraft is very small. That’s the reduction of the illumination range on the radar. And in the thermal range it glows much earlier. In general, in my opinion, all this is just a PR calculated for the fact that we can and work too.

[opus]

Quote: brodyaga

It’s hard to hide such a torch from nozzles.

what "such"?
That?

And this one?

or such ( I do not pay attention to the accident, but to her)

Quote: brodyaga

For example, we can see by video that the size of the aircraft is very small. That's the reduction in the range of exposure on the radar

And the B-2B is very large, which means not inconspicuous, but

Quote: brodyaga

only PR designed for the fact that we, too, can and work.

?

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: opus

what "such"?

You dear, brought here to the very correct comparison of the length of the exhaust.
Compare the power of the engines and the weight of the t-50, and this model avia))))

[opus]

Quote: Ramzaj99

led here to a completely correct comparison of the length of the exhaust.

1.This is not an exhaust, but a jet of expanding gas flowing out of a nozzle
2. There was no comparison, because the scale and light background were not respected.
Just looking. And to prove that the allegations

Quote: brodyaga

Such a torch hard to hide from nozzles

stupid.
Photo / video with "exhaust" for the T-50 are currently closed.

Quote: Ramzaj99

Compare the power of the engines and the weight of the t-50, and this model avia))))

1.This "model" in size is close to the Saab Gripen, those are 2-2,5 times smaller in size and weight
2. The turbojet engine there is General Electric F404, or Snecma M88-2 (Dassault Rafale), or Volvo Aero RM12 (Gripen),and in the final will be IHI XF5-1

You can also "compare" the thermal signature, thrust yourself. In terms of specific indicators, the AL-41F1 will lose to them (except for the last one, since it is still in the process of creation)

3. "Modelka"
WITH TWO IHI XF5-1

all-aspect UVT, less than F-22, but with comparable thrust-to-weight ratio and "mosquito" EPR.

[3 Gorynych]

Asians - in short, they have no place to hurry, officially there was no army, so the planes do not need ... Now they have made a decision, they will quickly increase their power, they can do it.

[novobranets]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Anyway, it's kind of small.

This is a prototype, so to speak, not an armed conceptual model. The battle will be larger however.

[Inok10]

... yeah, well, I still understand the radar if the glider is composite .. well, that’s what they will do with the optoelectronic detection system and the radio altimeter without which no plane flies, and its own radar ... for me the question ..

[Inok10]

P, S. .. ah, this "pribluda" controlled thrust vector "in Japanese? .. .. and another question .. with such a modest size, where will the weapons of the entogo "fighter" be, which is something that tells me on the external sling ..

[WUA 518]

Quote: Inok10

will be armed with entogo "fighter",

This is a prototype, it will not be launched in a series.

[jjj]

And the engines, judging by the size of the glider, such as that of the L-39

[adept666]

is this "pribluda" controlled thrust vector "in Japanese?

No, according to American-Germanic.

[Red_Hamer]

With modern radars, yes, but what about the old Soviet ones))?

[Observer2014]

Do the Japanese make a new "Zero"? Or how the Koreans also want their own plane. There is clearly "something went wrong" here, what about the F35?

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

F35 is a temptation for fools, and the Americans themselves have made F22, but the old F15 will be modernized.

[Karlovar]

His plane (submarine, destroyer, tank, air defense system, etc.) gives more chances to restore sovereignty in the future ... And the question of getting rid of dependence on the United States will arise sooner or later (the Hiroshima-Nagasaki samurai did not forget, as many people think, just the conditions for revenge have not yet developed), the Japanese national elites on this subject 100 pounds work! A similar sitowina is in South Korea ...

[glasha3032]

Strongly reminiscent of their long-standing F-1 fighter, they are not far from the Chinese.

[silver_roman]

Quote: glasha3032

theirs

and if on the topic: I would put on Yapov, and not on the Chinese in the creation of the 5th generation.
although the Chinese glider with grief cut in half, yet they are still sooooo far to a full-fledged 5th generation aircraft. I am particularly amused when they compare, say F-22, PAK FA and J-20, or whatever it is called.

[glasha3032]

I'm kidding. And I would bet on the Chinese. All the same, the Japanese are dumb. Without American technology and design, they are nobody.

[Blondy]

Quote: glasha3032

I'm kidding. And I would bet on the Chinese. All the same, the Japanese are dumb. Without American technology and design, they are nobody.

That's right: the Japanese - fie, and the Chinese well done - all-all-all in the world themselves invent!

[Karlovar]

Offhand, a samovar-Chinese invention, damask steel, it is Damascus-Chinese invention, paper money (you had to invent paper before, you won’t print it on birch bark), a bill (almost a bank transfer) -Chinese inventions, typography (a revolution in information technology, comparable by importance in its era with the invention of the computer and the Internet) - the Chinese invention, the blast furnace (revolution in metallurgy, as a result, in the mass and cheap production of agricultural equipment and agricultural technologies)) was invented by the Chinese about 1500 years earlier than Europe, a compass (revolution in marine navigation in terms of importance for its time, it is comparable to JP-Navigation, it allowed me to move away from coastal shipping) ... the list goes on and on ...

[Karlovar]

These dumb, with a territory 50 times smaller, without oil and other mineral resources, have an economy 4 times larger than the Russian one ... And the culture of production of dull ones is an order of magnitude higher than that of "smart" ones ...

[Karlovar]

Where did you get such deep knowledge about the Chinese aircraft industry ??? In the interworking work external ???

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Japanese information portal Kyodo News reports that a prototype aircraft is presented in Japan, which, according to the developers, is "virtually impossible to detect with modern radars."

damn right ... how to detect a model in a hangar with a radar? after "zero", nothing good was done ...

[novobranets]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

after "zero", nothing good was done ...

The A6M2 was not so technically advanced. Its main advantages are speed and maneuverability, and this was achieved not by some particularly successful design, but by a decrease in weight (total take-off weight of 2800 KG) due to a lightweight, and therefore rather weak glider, and very thin skin. For example, amy infantrymen made cigarette cases from downed "zero", for this they cut out pieces of aluminum from the fuselage, cut it with a simple knife. Foil, not cladding. And if they hit the tanks, these Zeros exploded like confetti.

But about this airplane there are some doubts, too many rounded, "licked" surfaces. How did the Japanese mom go to achieve the radar stealth effect? Only through composites? Nope. Will not work.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: novobranets

Its main advantages are speed and maneuverability. And if they hit the tanks, these "Zeros" exploded like confetti.

everything is like everyone else ...

[code54]

Well, in principle, what is the difference from the thickness of the skin? This is for aerodynamics, tightened, the main thing is that it does not blow away with a stream of air! :))) And so. casing made its way through all. Armor was placed inside the frame. Many planes were lined with aviation plywood, ... or rag in general (I don’t remember exactly how the fabric was called).

[novobranets]

Quote: code54

Well, in principle, what is the difference from the thickness of the skin? or rag in general (I don’t remember exactly how the fabric was called).

Percale was called. And the difference is this, these aircraft had a small flight resource. The thin weakened skin could simply break in flight, and the center section could break during overload during aerobatics, such as a deep turn or exit from a dive. Deficit aluminum in Japan was not enough, however, like steel, and the units were made without the necessary margin of safety.

Quote: code54

Armor was placed inside the frame.

In pursuit of lightness, there was no armor for "zero". Even the seat backs were made of simple thin sheet metal. True, the pilots were not embarrassed - to die for the Mikado was considered an honor, such is the mentality of the Japanese.

[aleks 62 next]

..... Judging by the shapes, well, it looks like an F-16, only two-engine .... And the shapes are not "stealth" .... Maybe they muddied them from composites ???? ..... But still there is a lot of iron inside (engines, equipment ....) .... But it will still give light ... And there are no "invisible" objects at all .... In one range - invisible, and in the other (long-wave ) will glow brighter than a Christmas tree ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: aleks 62 next

Judging by the forms, well, it looks very much like the F-16, only twin-engine ....

And two-keel.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: aleks 62 next

..... Judging by the forms, it looks very much like F-16,

not to any extent ... and judging by the fuselage, most of the armament will be on pendants - what the fuck is "invisibility"?

[Maksus]

All this is sad. The Japanese are more and more actively going beyond the concept of "self-defense forces" and building a real modern army.

[Lyton]

Amid the growing military power of the Whales, they have nothing else to do.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Maksus

for the concept of "self-defense forces"

Since September 2015, the Japanese Parliament passed a law expanding the powers of the National Self-Defense Forces. Now Japanese troops are allowed to participate in hostilities outside the country. New military law will allow Japan to use its troops abroad if Japan itself or its close ally is attacked. In addition, the Japanese armed forces can now fight abroad, if it is not possible to prevent an attack in another way

Original news RT in Russian:
https://russian.rt.com/article/117663

[NC1982]

Engine nozzles with "caps" - is it a kind of UHT or what? Why don't I understand?

[WUA 518]

Quote: NC1982

Is it like a UVT or something?

Baffle leafs for gas-dynamic control of the thrust vector.

[gabonskijfront]

Not a serious machine, a light fighter with a limited amount of weapons, for interception at short range. It is not necessary to speak about working at long distances and on the ground.

[clidon]

Is the Mig-29 a serious car?

[SklochPensioner]

"The honor of the chess crown is on the map, - He will not escape defeat" (V.S. Vysotsky performed by the Russian Aerospace Forces)

[Trigger-Happy]

Quote: gabonskijfront

Not a serious machine, a light fighter with a limited amount of weapons, for interception at short range. It is not necessary to speak about working at long distances and on the ground.

there is no talk of interceptions and talk, he has not yet seen the sky.

[KVIRTU]

"... while ATD-X for Japan is a project in the field of, first of all, military prestige, then F-35 (AX-5) is already a matter of real military security."
"...The 80 F-35 fighters Japan is planning to purchase will only have 38 assembled at a factory in Nagoya - the remaining 42, as usual, will come from Texas, where the US military giant Lockheed Martin has its facilities"
This is from Defense News

[Makarov]

What the hell is this ... nah? ... like Yak ...

[Edvagan]

the airplane is too small .... More like a training one ...

[dvina71]

So I have no doubt that Yapes will make a very very inconspicuous airplane .. But knowing their features of engineering ... it will be no longer suitable for anything.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dvina71

So I have no doubt that Yapes will make a very very inconspicuous airplane .. But knowing their features of engineering ... it will be no longer suitable for anything.

Mitsubishi, even "Lancer" managed to fool ...

[Engineer]

Well done Japs! Aircraft manufacturing is a very high-tech industry. These are not telephones and cameras to do. These are light new alloys, composites, electronics, engine building, etc. The old woman Europe did not pull such a plane, and the Japanese are gaining strength. It is interesting that they want their own engine. By the way, the plane calls the Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin, otherwise the author wrote an article and did not even write about that.

[Karlovar]

This will give a powerful impetus to civil technology, and as a result, to the economy!

[sir_obs]

Again, tales of invisible hats, oh, these storytellers ...

[pavelty]

And I read in another source that this machine will not go into a series))

"It was also planned to install a fiber-optic remote control system with multiple channel redundancy, an electronic warfare system and a unified information exchange system on the fighter. After the completion of the Shinshin tests, the project will be closed, this fighter will not be mass-produced."

So crap all this, bye ...

[Kyustenkats]

So it’s impossible with modern radars, but old ones, especially if there will be a lot of them, easily ..

[rubin6286]

If the first tests of the machine are considered successful, then by the end of February the first aircraft of this type will be able to fly into the air for a new series of tests. The first demonstration flight will be made from Nagoya to the Gifu Japan Air Force Base. So let's see what comes of it. In any case, the aircraft is of interest, given the high level of Japanese technology.

[Zaurbek]

The OVT is more of an American model, like on the Raptor. The size of the plane is good. We, too, would build a "Simplified" lightweight 50th generation aircraft on T-5 units. Even without an internal suspension. The cabin is to be unified, the engine is one with UVT 15-17000 kg. Modern radars consist of segments, you can make any size. The heavy ones cannot be saved on our territory. You need a lightweight and relatively inexpensive with high communication capabilities. The result is a modern F-16 or MiG-23.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Zaurbek

OBT is more likely an American model, as on the Raptor.

The Raptor OBT is only in the vertical plane. Judging by the joint Rockwell-Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm X-31 program to increase fighter maneuverability, when using this scheme, the gas jet could deviate in any direction within 10 degrees. relative to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

The Raptor’s principle is the same, only 2 shutters per engine, respectively UVT only in the vertical plane, the X-31 was a joint project in which the USA and Japan and Germany participated ... Eurofaiters and Rafali will be modernized according to the same system.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Zaurbek

The Raptor has the same principle, only 2 wings on the engine

Oil is oil. Deviation in the vertical plane, and what is one principle?

[Zaurbek]

The control of the thrust vector of the blades, respectively ... Chew, chew. On the early Dry 30 MKI, nozzles also bowed vertically only. But the principle is different. Even the Su35 and Miga 35th have different ATS.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Zaurbek

Blade traction vector control respectively

OVT and gas-dynamic control, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences. So whoever chews the question remains open!

[Zaurbek]

Do not peek into the reference book. The Raptor and the Japanese have a gas-dynamic control? It is the most! The thrust vector is eventually regulated? -Regulated! CREW HELLO, WALKING, SURELY, THROUGH CANAGES.

[Zaurbek]

Do not peek into the reference book. The Raptor and the Japanese have a gas-dynamic control? It is the most! The thrust vector is eventually regulated? -Regulated! CREW HELLO, WALKING, SURELY, THROUGH CANAGES.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

The Japanese managed to circumvent the laws of physics - moving in the atmosphere, the body exerts a definite effect on it that can be fixed. Does the plane completely radiate heat, are invisible in the entire spectral range, is completely absent magnetic, electrical and statistical radiation? ? He is invisible while on the ground or in the air but below the radio horizon.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

The Japanese managed to circumvent the laws of physics

they just didn’t know them ..

.on it is invisible so far on the earth or in the air but below the radio horizon.

so I said: while in the hangar, invisible ...

[tolmachiev51]

everybody wants an invisible hat !!! The Americans are "full" now it is the turn of the Japanese. Nano technology, you can minimize the reflectivity of the aircraft body, but what to do with the contrail of the engines ??? I think our specialists have already prepared an answer to this question for a long time.

[mav1971]

Quote: tolmachiev51

but what to do with the inversion trace of engine operation ??? I think our experts have already been ready to answer this question.

No one answers your question.
The condensation trail and the vortex trail are not detected at a distance. No way.
Therefore, there is no use.

[Nikolay71]

So the Japanese are building excellent ships, maybe they will get a good plane.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Nikolay71

So the Japanese are building excellent ships, maybe they will get a good plane.

remember about "Lexus" and "Infinity" ...

[Karlovar]

In the 60s everyone laughed together at the Japanese car industry .... Already in the 70s there was no laughing matter, with 80s they wash their face with bitter tears ....

[Lecha57]

Outwardly, a hybrid "F" and "SU" Only they are unlikely to achieve the required results. - Advanced JAPAN is far behind in this technology.

[Hooks]

Apparently, in the end, it will correspond to traditions - is this some kind of kamikaze? Well, the divine wind in his back !!!

[GEV67]

I think if it really was a plane with outstanding characteristics, we would not have seen it for a long time. And statements about the possibility of invisibility were completely silent.

[Skym]

Something reminiscent of what Iran once showed. And so, probably American planes are taken as the basis.

[Krsk]

similar to a "hornet"

[Orionvit]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: Jack-B

. But in general, the Japanese fellows. For 6 years from scratch, IMHO a good result. And given their meticulousness and high level of technology, there is no doubt that the performance will really be high.

Mitsu has a lot of experience in building aircraft, and judging by the quality of the machines, everything is very good.

The experience seems to be great, but have not yet come up with anything worthwhile, it's like the Swedish CAAB. All their developments are at the 70x level. years. If for Japan, then it will, but not for world-class powers.

[mav1971]

Quote: Orionvit

The experience seems to be great, but have not yet come up with anything worthwhile, it's like the Swedish CAAB. All their developments are at the 70x level. years. If for Japan, then it will, but not for world-class powers.

Well, are you on the basis of what decided that?
FOCL alone on a plane at 10 years ahead of the Americans and at 25-30 years of ours.

[vglazunov]

A plane for kamikaze, they think that the cap is invisible, and then a banzai flies in otvetku :)
PS They have the most cars, after the Germans.

[vka]

it’s far from them even before the fifth generation, at first let them get rid of the US occupation and then they learn how to build planes themselves, otherwise they will shorten the leash. !!!

[ILIA]

I propose to run his stealth technology with the S-400

[chelovektapok]

In order to be completely invisible, it is necessary to smear with sticky rice and stick around the fish with puffer fish!