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Media: New Russian tanks continue to flow into Syria

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Judging by the photos published on the Internet, the Syrian military continues to receive Russian armored vehicles, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Media: New Russian tanks continue to flow into Syria


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These tanks are distinguished from the basic model by the 2 generation of the “Contact-5” generation, which “protects not only against cumulative ammunition, but also against armor-piercing sabots”, the author notes.

Cars already painted in desert camouflage. “What is curious, original“ bald spots ”, where there is no any dynamic protection at all (available on the frontal armor of the tower next to the gun) are now prudently strengthened with boxes of DZ“ Kontakt-1 ””, “Herald” notices.

Where the tanks were finalized is unknown, perhaps already in Syria. But in any case, attention to such “trifles” in the course of battles can save more than one life, ”concludes the publication.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 29 January 2016 11: 51
    62
    Russia helped the Syrian people to straighten the spirit and Russia has helped, is helping and will continue to help the Syrian people in the fight against the "shaitans."
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 29 January 2016 11: 53
      16
      Quote: avvg
      Russia has helped, is helping and will continue to help the Syrian people in the fight against the "shaitans."

      Oh .. Broadcasts Captain Evidence? laughing
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 29 January 2016 12: 09
        40
        Oh .. Broadcasts Captain Evidence?
        --------------------------------
        judging by the epaulettes, there is nowhere to be higher than without fear of voicing your thoughts. But ... habit is terrible power: =)
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 29 January 2016 12: 12
          14
          Quote: guzik007
          Oh .. Broadcasts Captain Evidence?
          --------------------------------
          judging by the epaulettes, there is nowhere to be higher than without fear of voicing your thoughts. But ... habit is terrible power: =)


          Well, maybe they both mark in the generalsimus that you are right ?!
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 31 January 2016 12: 17
            +1
            and in genesimisimus what epaulettes? I also want to!!!! repeat into these, like them, genesimisums ... lol
            1. demo
              demo 1 February 2016 08: 18
              0
              Should have been like that
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 29 January 2016 12: 15
          17
          Quote: guzik007
          judging by the epaulettes, there is nowhere to be higher than without fear of voicing your thoughts. But ... habit is terrible power: =)

          "Captain Obvious" is not a title, but good spirits and quick reactions bully
          1. Manul
            Manul 29 January 2016 13: 35
            73
            Quote: Ami du peuple

            "Captain Obvious" is not a title, but good spirits and quick reactions

            Dedicated to the masters of the first comment ... laughing
        3. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 30 January 2016 10: 45
          +2
          New Russian tanks continue to enter Syria
          - But still, regarding the arrival of our CLASS tanks into Syria, you can also 100 grams. I'm already!
        4. Foxmara
          Foxmara 30 January 2016 10: 48
          +2
          Quote: guzik007
          nowhere above, judging by the epaulettes

          well, the main thing here is "first n ..." inserted a comment, and soldier soldier soldier , pluses are guaranteed. Immunity has already appeared wassat
      2. Hariva
        Hariva 29 January 2016 20: 49
        +2
        Yes lan to you. ))) Here it can occasionally slip. ))) Were on the site and just "generators of the stopudovoy axiom". "Thought giant", for example. Every post, then - Serdyukov, a brute, plundered everything, and now restore me ....)))) Such characters are even worse.
      3. Yarhann
        Yarhann 29 January 2016 23: 13
        +3
        Marshal of evidence - you’re not Stalin and not a moderator so lower people in ranks)
      4. andrewkor
        andrewkor 30 January 2016 18: 21
        0
        Marshal scold, just amuse!
        1. remy
          remy 31 January 2016 19: 02
          0
          and here the marshals don’t care at least 1000 minuses, it doesn’t affect the shoulder straps
    2. mahor
      mahor 29 January 2016 19: 42
      -1
      Russia helped the Syrian people to straighten the spirit and Russia has helped, is helping and will continue to help the Syrian people in the fight against the "shaitans."

      The Americans urgently tossed Ishil new ATGM systems .. wink
    3. Vasili Vas
      Vasili Vas 29 January 2016 19: 56
      -2
      In truth, so !!!!!!
    4. northern
      northern 30 January 2016 01: 45
      +2
      Not mercavas to deliver to them with abrams. T-72, etc. (family) - what is needed there
    5. ksan
      ksan 30 January 2016 21: 01
      +1
      Russia helped the Syrian people straighten their spirit
      Keyword SPIRIT, totally agree. The main thing is to feel that STRONG is behind you, and Russia is Strength even if it’s VKS and Specials + diplomats, and the rest will be completed by the Syrians, Iranians and Hezbola.
    6. Valdis
      Valdis 30 January 2016 21: 06
      -4
      How much does this help cost?
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 29 January 2016 11: 52
    24
    Well, they’ll break in the equipment. It would be interesting to send the T-90cm to Syria, which was created just for urban battles! At least not a lot. Experience is such, you won’t earn at the training grounds.
    1. just exp
      just exp 29 January 2016 12: 09
      +4
      How was this SM created for urban battles?
      it was a modernization to bring the T-90 to the modern level, in fact, except for the SM armata, the most advanced tank (though there is no KAZ).
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 29 January 2016 12: 17
        +3
        Well, it’s a matter of kaz, it would be money. And the fact that I saw this modification for the city in the report about the exhibition in Tagil. That was said so. The armor was strengthened, and with all of the projections hi
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 30 January 2016 17: 41
          0
          Quote: Magic Archer
          I saw in a report about the exhibition in Tagil.

          There is a separate modification of 72ki for the city. Its most prominent feature is the blade (bucket) for clearing.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 30 January 2016 17: 39
        0
        Quote: just explo
        it was a modernization to bring the T-90 to the modern level, in fact, except for the SM armata, the most advanced tank (though there is no KAZ).

        90CM is the last modification of the 90th for export. For the native army T-90AM (already with KAZ).
        1. just exp
          just exp 31 January 2016 09: 41
          0
          umm, does AM have KAZ directly from the factory?
          Che I can’t believe it. no matter how much I read about him, there was no talk about KAZ, but the DZ relic, gun 2a82, a new AZ, but no KAZ.
    2. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 30 January 2016 17: 38
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Well, they’ll break in the equipment.

      T-72BM has long been run-in. The main thing is that its gap in the protection of the tower (which was inherited by the T-72B3), in addition to the lack of a remote anti-aircraft machine gun installation, was decided only in combat conditions. Linear machines, as they had uncovered sections of the turret’s armor and an open machine-gun mount, remained. If these problems were regularly brought to mind on all of our 72s, they would not have a price.
  3. Wolka
    Wolka 29 January 2016 11: 53
    +2
    however, fishlessness and cancer ...
    1. igordok
      igordok 29 January 2016 14: 09
      37
      Neither Russian nor Syrian tanks can be compared, as a defense, with Ukrainian tanks. smile
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 29 January 2016 15: 02
        +5
        Quote: igordok
        Ukrainian tanks.

        a traveling zoo? a kind of "tent" on the tracks.
        1. poquello
          poquello 30 January 2016 01: 54
          +4
          Quote: Olegovi4
          Quote: igordok
          Ukrainian tanks.

          a traveling zoo? a kind of "tent" on the tracks.

          the window for the plate should still be
        2. remy
          remy 31 January 2016 19: 05
          0
          well yes. you just need to install DZ at least Contact-1 type
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 29 January 2016 15: 05
        +4
        some kind of reinforcement workshop
      3. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 29 January 2016 16: 49
        11
        "Neither Russian nor Syrian tanks can compare, in terms of protection, with Ukrainian tanks."

        Do not feed the crew, do not approach closer than one meter, animals are dangerous!
      4. The comment was deleted.
      5. msm
        msm 29 January 2016 17: 40
        +1
        In fact, it makes sense for a "psychic" attack
      6. atalef
        atalef 29 January 2016 23: 03
        +2
        Quote: igordok
        Neither Russian nor Syrian tanks can be compared, as a defense, with Ukrainian tanks. smile

        Well this is for Yatsenyuk - a rabbit in a cage.
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 30 January 2016 10: 53
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Neither Russian nor Syrian tanks can be compared, as a defense, with Ukrainian tanks.

          You will not want to live like that.
          By the way, dill usually uses a red cross to protect manpower. Cheap and cheerful.
  4. Aleksandr69
    Aleksandr69 29 January 2016 11: 53
    -19 qualifying.
    in the background is not the T60?
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 29 January 2016 12: 00
      57
      T-60 - that's it wassat


      In the background is the T-62.
      1. Airborne Major
        Airborne Major 29 January 2016 12: 17
        25
        This is the T-62. And in the background is the T-55.
        soldier
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 29 January 2016 12: 32
          +3
          Your truth, the front rollers at a great distance. drinks
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 29 January 2016 12: 44
          -2
          and there is no t-55 nearby. In the background in the sense of.
          there t-72 or t-90A. Not quite clear.
          T-55, the same as t-54, only with a set of measures against radiation.
          1. i80186
            i80186 29 January 2016 13: 45
            +9
            Quote: silver_roman
            there t-72 or t-90A. Not quite clear.

            The helicopter there, MI-26, aka Cow, three pieces. laughing
            Of course there is a T-55. Even the receiver (ejector in the world) is quite visible. How can you confuse him with anything at all? Especially with the T-90?
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 29 January 2016 14: 41
              +2
              what photo are you talking about? I personally commented on this.
              and, you, as I understand it, about the picture for the article? there really is t-54/55
            2. Maksus
              Maksus 30 January 2016 22: 58
              0
              T-55 does not have an ejector - at the end of the barrel there is a muzzle brake. The ejector appeared on the T-62.
        3. igordok
          igordok 29 January 2016 14: 04
          23
          What kind of tank can you determine?

          [hide] [/ hide]
          1. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 29 January 2016 15: 06
            +5
            bride in wedding attire
          2. Limak
            Limak 29 January 2016 15: 50
            +2
            This is the T-62. It can be seen on the pursuit of the tower and the engine fan
            1. igordok
              igordok 29 January 2016 17: 20
              +9
              His brother.
          3. Foxmara
            Foxmara 30 January 2016 10: 55
            +5
            Do they even have tanks in the burqa? belay
          4. Dmitriy_BY
            Dmitriy_BY 30 January 2016 15: 21
            +4
            Most likely, such an upgrade was made:
            1. Hide (mask) the image of the tank from aviation and satellites.
            2. Due to the side chains protect against cumulative grenades. Similar chains with the same principle have long been used on the Israeli Merkava MK4.
      2. makarick
        makarick 29 January 2016 13: 06
        -2
        The photo was not accidentally taken by V. Pyshma?
        1. Llirik
          Llirik 1 February 2016 07: 09
          0
          Along the way, not everyone knows about the Museum "Military Glory of the Urals" in Verkhnyaya Pyshma near Yekaterinburg.
      3. Just me
        Just me 29 January 2016 19: 43
        +1
        Cool I could put a plus sign
  5. valokordin
    valokordin 29 January 2016 11: 54
    +5
    Tanks are good, but Syria and the Terminators still need to be added, otherwise they exist in non-combatant Kazakhstan, but not there.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 29 January 2016 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      Tanks are good, but Syria and the Terminators still need to be added, otherwise they exist in non-combatant Kazakhstan, but not there.

      What weapons and in what quantities to supply CAA, probably not for us to evaluate. There are specially trained people for this. In addition, judging by snippets of information about the nomenclature of the military hardware used in Syria is somewhat reckless.
    2. chikenous59
      chikenous59 29 January 2016 13: 06
      +5
      Quote: valokordin
      Tanks are good, but Syria and the Terminators still need to be added, otherwise they exist in non-combatant Kazakhstan, but not there.

      You should certainly inform the General Staff about their shortcomings and miscalculations in the configuration of the Syrian army
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 29 January 2016 14: 13
      +4
      What for? The role of terminators is played by all sorts of Tachanki, SADCO with the memory-23 / 57 in the back, and so on.

      Army men actually ran out of infantry fighting vehicles - pennies at the end, two deuces in general.

      From hopelessness they are making all kinds of shushi on Hyundai and others.
      1. Just me
        Just me 29 January 2016 19: 51
        +1
        Whatever the topic of the article, but still the War is not only tanks airplanes heroism This is the economy What we are seeing Victory is forging in the rear A worn-out phrase like now and you take it in a new way
  6. kil 31
    kil 31 29 January 2016 11: 54
    10
    New Russian tanks continue to enter Syria
    The title is incorrect. It is necessary to write to Syria, Russian tanks continue to arrive. For me, let the guys do all the armor they knocked out during the war years.
    1. Pig
      Pig 29 January 2016 12: 08
      +3
      the main thing is that they wouldn’t hand over new equipment to hijabs ... otherwise they will have to catch them later in the desert
    2. just exp
      just exp 29 January 2016 12: 10
      +2
      Considering HOW they used this and this for a short while.
      really hope our teach there not to send tanks to the city without cover.
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 January 2016 11: 55
    +8
    We have thousands of tanks in storage, you can re-equip the entire Syrian army. And dynamic protection must be installed at least "relic" -technique and people must be protected.
  8. lukke
    lukke 29 January 2016 11: 55
    +9
    Well what can I say: the Syrians are doing their job, our gunsmiths are doing theirs. In the end: it will be difficult in this region for someone to compete with the Syrian tankers in street battles in the future, and we will run through all our achievements for our aircraft. And everyone is good!)
  9. Hubun
    Hubun 29 January 2016 11: 55
    +4
    Priceless experience, real practice. Crashtest is what you need. And the benefit with all this is how much a terrogyug is wound on the tracks
  10. OlegV
    OlegV 29 January 2016 11: 56
    +3
    It’s a pity Armata cannot be sent, that’s where the tests would have been in the most battle environment

    Russian troops do not participate in ground operations.
    1. aleksey980
      aleksey980 29 January 2016 23: 27
      +2
      Nobody bothers to "sell". Only the product has to be ready to have something to "sell".
  11. f.lourens
    f.lourens 29 January 2016 11: 58
    +2
    Quote: Aleksandr69
    in the background is not the T60?

    In the background, it seems to me the T-55 hi
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 January 2016 11: 59
    +8
    Judging by the black patches instead of faces, and relaxed postures, are the faces of the tankers Slavic?
    So what? Our volunteers fought in Spain, they considered it an honor. Judging by the increased effectiveness, artillery already has our advisers.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 29 January 2016 12: 11
      +3
      Judging by the black patches instead of faces, and relaxed postures, are the faces of the tankers Slavic?
      ------------------------------
      Judging by the strained, sinewy necks, men are under fifty. Simple hard workers distillers from the factory.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2016 12: 00
    +2
    Syrian military continues to receive Russian armored vehicles

    Russia, unlike the United States, keeps its word given publicly.
  14. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 29 January 2016 12: 00
    36
    New Russian tanks continue to enter Syria
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 29 January 2016 12: 22
      -1
      And where does the supply of weapons and equipment to Syria and the president’s statement that Russia will not participate in the ground operation? You already somehow decide. Otherwise, you can understand that our country does not keep its word.
      1. Dr. Barmaley
        Dr. Barmaley 29 January 2016 13: 41
        +8
        Rotmister, explain the meaning of the picture:

        "There will be no ground operation in Syria - because the tanks will attack from the air."

  15. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 29 January 2016 12: 01
    +2
    Interestingly, the T 90 will withstand the TOW-2?
    1. Lanista
      Lanista 29 January 2016 12: 05
      +4
      Oh, this is a very interesting question, by the way.
      On the one hand, the TOU-2 is kind of tandem. That is, DZ does not seem to care.
      But on the other hand, the T-90 has a Curtain, ground first of all under the Toe (guess by what sign the color of the searchlight-simulator was chosen). And no one has yet tested in practice whether the main T-90 armor penetrates the main TO-2 warhead.
      1. just exp
        just exp 29 January 2016 12: 11
        +3
        the curtain shines only from the forehead of the tank, and the terra hit either sideways or from above (if the city), there the curtain does not shine.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 29 January 2016 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: Lanista And no one has yet tested in practice whether the main T-90 armor penetrates the main TO-2 warhead.

        In the war, tanks fired at anything with everything, before the series. Do you think now they do not do this when they come up with new armor protection (active or passive)? Tou 2, is it not possible to get it?
      3. Professor
        Professor 29 January 2016 14: 27
        +2
        Quote: Lanista
        But on the other hand, the T-90 has a Curtain

        Well? The curtain shines under his breath unmasking the tank for kilometers. Count how many times the Curtain could save the tank even theoretically.

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          1. Professor
            Professor 29 January 2016 15: 57
            0
            Quote: segamegament
            a Jew, and what's in your bespontovyh vidos?)))) Where is the passage of the Curtain?)))))

            You, young man, you must first turn on the brains, and only then poke adult strangers.

            Quote: Forest
            In the forehead and T-72M with DZ they kept TOW, and the 90-tick is much thicker.

            Where, what, when?

            TOW complex 2 generations, and can’t do a roller coaster.

            Is there a TOU that can? wink
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 29 January 2016 21: 58
              +4
              Hello Professor. You are, as before, taaaaaaaa malicious. wink But without you, something was missing.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2016 16: 54
          +3
          The militants have not yet the most advanced sights for the TOW 2 ATGM.
        3. TOR2
          TOR2 29 January 2016 22: 04
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Well? The curtain shines under his breath unmasking the tank for kilometers. Count how many times the Curtain could save the tank even theoretically.

          Professor, in the first figure, do you see a rocket tracer? Can you adjust?
          1. TOR2
            TOR2 29 January 2016 22: 05
            +5
            Now find it here. laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 29 January 2016 22: 09
              0
              I can post an hour and a half video of using TOU in Syria. Maybe you will find there one case when a tank was attacked in the forehead. In the remaining cases, Stator could not even theoretically help the tank. hi
              1. cherkas.oe
                cherkas.oe 29 January 2016 22: 53
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                I can post an hour and a half video of using TOU in Syria.

                Do not give up the professor, otherwise there will be no discussion. wink
              2. TOR2
                TOR2 29 January 2016 22: 56
                +7
                So we come to the feature that was not mentioned. The Curtain was created as a response to the potential challenges for more global wars. But reality dictates somewhat different rules. In this case, you need to "kolkhozit" on the spot. For example, by installing additional spotlights that provide illumination from the sides. And it is desirable to watch the video with representatives of the corresponding design bureau, followed by a technical council. smile
                1. Professor
                  Professor 29 January 2016 23: 09
                  -1
                  Quote: TOR2
                  For example, the installation of additional spotlights that illuminate from the sides.

                  Let's dress the tank like a Christmas tree. Let them check their garlands in all directions. By the way, did you see the rocket tracer in the video? Why or do you have night vision goggles? And you can see it in the visible spectrum and on the PU there is an optical channel. The curtain shines in the IR range. It may happen that the Curtain does not light the TOU? wink
                  1. TOR2
                    TOR2 29 January 2016 23: 42
                    +5
                    And what do you think, why in the 2nd generation anti-tank systems the coordinator conducts the rocket. This tricky thing works just in the IR range and allows you to hit targets at maximum distances. Of course, you can use the optical channel, but in this case, the characteristics of the complex will not shift for the better. Of course, developers will not write about this in the brochures.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 30 January 2016 08: 32
                      0
                      Quote: TOR2
                      This tricky thing works just in the IR range and allows you to hit targets at maximum distances.

                      The xenon lamp in the tail of the rocket also shines in the visible spectrum. It is clearly visible on all videos. The bourgeois will put a filter on the PU and laugh at your garland, otherwise (God forbid) they will put the third generation ATGM militias from the local military ...
                      1. TOR2
                        TOR2 30 January 2016 11: 48
                        +5
                        lol Then let's see how it works. A searchlight provides radiation similar in parameters to the modulation frequency and spectral range with the characteristics of the correction system. The radiation power of the searchlight installation is significantly higher than the radiation power of all that you mark the rocket, therefore, as the rocket approaches the protected machine, the signal level from the rocket at the coordinator decreases, while the signal level from the searchlight remains constant. At the moment when the signal level from the searchlight installation on the coordinator exceeds the signal level from the rocket, the coordinator intercepts the searchlight signal instead of the rocket signal, and false motion correction commands begin to be sent to the rocket, which leads to disruption of guidance. And let the 3rd generation deliver, you look and throw money at the development, the benefit of the experience has long existed.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 30 January 2016 12: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: TOR2
                        Then let's see how it works.

                        Searchlights shine under their breath, they can not interfere with the Cornet (and this is also the second generation) even theoretically. How many rounds of forehead are there?
                      3. TOR2
                        TOR2 30 January 2016 13: 25
                        +6
                        Professor, I didn’t find the spotlights. Tell me what minute to watch. It should look something like this.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 30 January 2016 14: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: TOR2
                        Professor, I didn’t find the spotlights. Tell me what minute to watch. It should look something like this.

                        I repeat, even if there was a Curtain, she would not have helped since the militias practically did not shoot in the forehead.
                      5. remy
                        remy 31 January 2016 19: 07
                        0
                        gorgeous photo
                2. TOR2
                  TOR2 30 January 2016 12: 09
                  +1
                  I already wrote about the visible spectrum above. I hope you know how the correction system works. I strongly doubt that having lost this option, the "monkey" who fights in Syria will hit from medium or long distances.
            2. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 30 January 2016 18: 49
              +2
              Quote: Professor

              Let's dress the tank like a Christmas tree.

              Well, yes, well, yes, it is normal to fence on the tower with a windbreak from KAZ systems, and to place a couple of searchlights Curtains is an unbearable engineering task. The "Curtain" is directed into the front hemisphere not because of an engineering flaw, but in order not to interfere with "friendly" guidance systems, about the same trouble as with the KAZ.
        4. DarkRiver
          DarkRiver 30 January 2016 18: 42
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Maybe you will find there one case when a tank was attacked in the forehead.

          To listen to you like this, it’s ok, tank builders are mistaken having the highest quality reservation on their foreheads, which you will not recognize on the Internet))
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 January 2016 12: 10
    +2
    Prlmus Pilus-sit down in t90 and in battle experience how the tank can withstand the touch of tou2. I just think that this tank is not as scary as they shout about it.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 January 2016 13: 13
    +1
    TOW 2 with an armor penetration of 900 millimeters T 90 will penetrate with a probability of 80 percent, the more militants launch missiles on board or slide.
    1. Forest
      Forest 29 January 2016 14: 00
      +1
      The frontal armor of modern MBTs for 1000 mm reduced against the cumulative warhead, defeat is possible only in tiny areas. TOW complex 2 generation, and roller coaster can not do.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 January 2016 16: 52
        +1
        This is 1000 millimeters of frontal armor, and the armor of the roof is 70 millimeters, side projections are 100 millimeters. T 90A can still stand in the forehead, but all other tanks will be pierced with a probability of 80 - 90 percent.
        1. Forest
          Forest 29 January 2016 19: 34
          +1
          TOW can only enter the roof if it is placed on a turntable. In the T-72, the frontal in the 800 region, taking into account the DZ, fluctuates against cumulatives, in the T-80 it stands for 1000, in the western M1A1 and higher.
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 January 2016 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Forest
            The T-72 frontal in the region of 800, taking into account the DZ

            In the illustrated T72B - about 1100 against cumulative.
            1. Forest
              Forest 29 January 2016 21: 51
              0
              The Syrians have an export version, purely Soviet cars, only now they began to receive them.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 January 2016 22: 26
              +2
              In the T72Bs shown - about 1100 against cumulative ones - this is with Contact 5 dynamic protection, which the tandem warhead will break through without problems, and it does not even seem like there are even 600 there.
              1. Forest
                Forest 29 January 2016 23: 04
                +4
                These millimeters are reduced homogeneous armor. The thickness of the combined protection varies significantly in relation to homogeneous. Learn the materiel.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 January 2016 14: 52
                  0
                  Yes, - and the materials of cumulative funnels also differ in density and fluidity under pressure: tantalum, copper, aluminum, nickel, titanium, and for all armor penetration is different depending on the power of the explosive.
                  1. Forest
                    Forest 30 January 2016 21: 03
                    +2
                    But the TOW warhead is unchanged, from 800-900 mm to somewhere 1300-1500 nobody will change it.
                2. remy
                  remy 31 January 2016 19: 17
                  0
                  I agree board T-90AM =
                  80 mm armor + 110 mm ceramic package equivalent to 440 mm armor
                  total armor resistance = 520 mm
                  + DZ 800 mm
                  total resistance = 1320 mm normal at an angle of 90 degrees
                  Well, then deviations and increased armor resistance
                  if at an angle of 45 then + 30% = approximately 1700 mm - THIS IS THE BOARD!
    2. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 19: 11
      0
      I agree!
      even ceramics will not help
      DZ put in a circle you just need
  • Forest
    Forest 29 January 2016 14: 01
    0
    In the forehead and T-72M with DZ they kept TOW, and the 90-tick is much thicker.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 January 2016 16: 48
      0
      Of course they kept everything, the edge of the TOW 2 rocket, on all the videos the hit was an explosion of the ammunition, or a fire of the tank. These missiles have already killed most of the Syrian army armored vehicles.
      1. Forest
        Forest 29 January 2016 21: 44
        0
        And TOW held. And not every penetration incapacitates a tank. After all, no one will post a photo of an average wrecked tank - just a standing tank without a crew with one or more holes, sometimes charred in places.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2016 22: 30
          0
          "Just a standing tank without a crew with one or several holes, sometimes burnt in places" - and completely inoperative.
          1. Forest
            Forest 29 January 2016 23: 08
            +1
            Often enough repair in the field workshop. Check out photos and videos from Ukraine. Everything is littered with a couple of dozens of photos with completely burnt, torn tanks. If you rummage around, hundreds of other photos with broken equipment will come out, but they are not epic, so no one distributes them.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 January 2016 14: 43
              0
              What are you going to restore in the field - the turret drive, gun sights, shell-shocked and crippled crew?
              1. Forest
                Forest 30 January 2016 21: 15
                0
                Engine, at least the same sights, stabilizers. The crew also often remains alive - in Grozny, when an ATGM or RPG was penetrated, an 1 crew member was often wounded. In the Donbass, almost all of the 64s that were captured by the militia were knocked out, then repaired. Sometimes the tank was knocked out several times, but then restored. And TOW in terms of striking ability for armor is not very different from Babies and Bassoons.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 30 January 2016 17: 55
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Already most of the armored vehicles of the Syrian army were killed.

        Most of the SA armored vehicles were lost BEFORE the appearance of the Russian Air Force in Syria. And one of the main reasons, in addition to the mediocre use of technology, was the lack of remote sensing on many tanks.
        As for the "hit-detonation of the BC - the torn off tower", then I draw your attention to:
        1. The reason for the described is an additional (located OUTSIDE automatic loader) and ammunition stacked in the tower. In real conditions, they don’t take it, but only the automatic loader is charged.
        2. If we turn directly to the tankers, and their materials are on the website and on the forum, and also to official sources, we can see that remote sensing and competent use dramatically increase the survival of the tank.
  • triglav
    triglav 29 January 2016 12: 07
    +4
    By and large, Syria is now a testing ground for new technology. We must use this. We kill several birds with one stone: we test the equipment, wet the bastards and at the same time save the lives of the crews.
  • hartlend
    hartlend 29 January 2016 12: 10
    +3
    Tanks are offensive weapons. So we will advance.
  • Airborne Major
    Airborne Major 29 January 2016 12: 10
    +4
    Quote: Maksus
    T-60 - that's it wassat


    In the background is the T-62.

    Sorry, colleague, but the T-55 is in the background. True kit. In order not to confuse, remember, on the T-62, the gun injector is located in the middle of the barrel, and not in its front part, and the shape of the tower is somewhat different.
  • Velizariy
    Velizariy 29 January 2016 12: 11
    -1
    And no one has yet tested in practice whether the main T-90 armor penetrates the main TO-2 warhead.
    I think our designers have samples of a potential enemy for testing armor ...
    1. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 19: 21
      0
      by the way. interesting topic...
      rather, it's all classified!
  • Hammer
    Hammer 29 January 2016 12: 12
    -6
    For all lovers of curtains, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the Greek tender for the supply of T-80U. Spoiler - The Tou-2 curtain will not even notice.
    The Syrians were smarter than our designers. It is necessary to leave such huge holes on the armor between DZ! They would be in these crematoria! I kept waiting for someone from the military to pay attention to this. Not wait. Apparently two anti-terrorist companies did not teach anything.
    1. Lanista
      Lanista 29 January 2016 12: 21
      +1
      Colleague, please enlighten WHERE the Curtain is located on the T-80.
      And the second question: doesn’t the Too-2 have laser illumination of the target and the optical path correction channel?
  • newcomer
    newcomer 29 January 2016 12: 15
    +3
    great news. so little by little, we will slowly raise the Syrian sun and run our equipment around. By the way, not only technology. read a few minutes ago news_ a party of brand new ak74 arrived in syria. about the news, it would be nice to slowly, leisurely check all modifications of our equipment.
  • yanus
    yanus 29 January 2016 12: 18
    +4
    Quote: Primus Pilus
    Interestingly, the T 90 will withstand the TOW-2?

    No. We must always proceed from the fact that if an ATGM and a tank of the same development period, an ATGM will break through it. And proceeding from this build tactics of application.
    Considering that in Syria it is mostly "old", then even the setting of smoke can provide good protection against ATGMs.
  • maksim
    maksim 29 January 2016 12: 34
    +1
    good news and good training ground
  • Jan2016
    Jan2016 29 January 2016 12: 50
    +1
    And who can tell why 2 cars are needed i.e. Terminator and Chrysanthemum, what is the point of coexistence of two machines very close in purpose? And as I understand it, the Terminator is not accepted and is not planned to be adopted by the Russian army. Sense only in export (terminator)?
    1. Lanista
      Lanista 29 January 2016 12: 59
      10
      How to compare self-propelled ATGM (Chrysanthemum), narrowly ground for anti-tank activities, and BMPT (Terminator), narrowly ground for support of tanks - is somewhat strange.
      The difference between the machines is absolutely in everything, except for the ATGM model. Chrysanthemum - with bulletproof armor, the optimal tactics of use are launches to the maximum distance (fortunately, the sighting equipment allows - there even has its own radar); Terminator - with VERY heavy armor (in fact, tank armor) and with the main armament in the form of small-caliber automatic cannons, the optimal tactic of use is to take on a "trifle" unworthy of wasting a tank shot at the front line along with tanks.
      Regarding the non-adoption of the Terminator by the Russian army - yes, I myself am in shock. I suppose that there is a certain inertia in the thinking of certain individuals who believe that the role of the Terminator is completely covered by the existing BMP, and therefore it is not needed. The fact that the BMP as a front-line vehicle does not fully justify itself (at least those models that are now in service and in series), these "conservatives" do not care. The Terminator was developed from the experience of using tank units in urbanized areas and is frankly NEEDED by the army.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 29 January 2016 22: 03
        +2
        Waiting for TBMP T 15, also with tank protection, but also with the landing.
        1. Oleg16661
          Oleg16661 30 January 2016 11: 30
          -2
          I, too, do not quite understand the point of adopting the terminator for service if there is (soon) Kurganets and T-15 Armata. They are about the same heavily armored and have similar weapons.
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 31 January 2016 13: 29
            +2
            Quote: Oleg16661
            don't quite understand the meaning of making a terminator

            If you have 100% T-BMP T-15 and saturation of the armed forces with Kurgan, then yes. But nobody is going to write off the BMP-2 en masse, and upgrades or equipping with screen gratings have not yet been planned + the presence of a large number of old T-72s, as a result, we get the opportunity to strengthen motorized rifles with a well-protected fire support vehicle.
          2. remy
            remy 31 January 2016 19: 28
            +1
            BMP Kurganets
            called: find 25 differences with the T-15
        2. remy
          remy 31 January 2016 19: 23
          0
          here you have the t-15 in the subject
  • Appraiser
    Appraiser 29 January 2016 12: 56
    0
    In fact, what is the problem? Running-in in real combat operations of the T-90 and their modifications are simply necessary .... soldier
    1. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 19: 31
      0
      BMPT would still quickly accept current based on the T-14
  • DMM2006
    DMM2006 29 January 2016 13: 44
    +1
    Colleagues, even at the very beginning of the VKS operation in Syria, ours officially announced that they would put the Syrian army T-55 in a body kit to make up for their losses in armored vehicles.
    And I absolutely agree with a colleague
    Quote: Major of the Airborne Forces
    Sorry, colleague, but the T-55 is in the background. True kit. In order not to confuse, remember, on the T-62, the gun injector is located in the middle of the barrel, and not in its front part, and the shape of the tower is somewhat different.

    in the background the really mentioned T-55s, it looks like a 51-year-old model, simply tuned to complete unrecognizability.
    Considering that we have 5 of them in storage, such a test of old equipment is very useful. You never know what amers on the background of the collapse of their financial system. Maybe we will need cropped divisions as before. And here again! But the equipment tested in real battles is already there, and the technology for its alteration from the storerooms has already been mastered.
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 29 January 2016 13: 45
    +3
    The events in Syria for Lente.ru were commented on by the editor-in-chief of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, a former General Staff officer, reserve colonel Viktor Murakhovsky.
    Lenta.ru: Viktor Ivanovich, how can one explain the current successes of the Syrian troops? Can we talk about the transition of quantity into quality?
    Victor Murakhovsky: The success of the Syrians is due to several reasons. First of all, the system of training and equipping the units of the Syrian army (thanks to Russian aid in the first place) worked. After receiving a course of combat training, battalion tactical groups that have received new weapons and equipment are much more effective, and the number of such units is growing.
    Secondly, this is the restoration (also with the help of Russia) of the maintenance and repair system (maintenance and repair) of weapons and military equipment, from aviation to armored combat vehicles and vehicles.
    Thirdly, of course, the cumulative effect of strikes by the Russian air group. It does not appear instantly. The result of the blows accumulates. The volume of weapons, ammunition, and fuel that terrorists can dispose of is reduced, the gang’s maneuvering and firing capabilities, their ability to respond quickly to military actions and seize the initiative are reduced.
    Fourth, the financial situation of the terrorists was greatly complicated, which made it difficult to recruit new gang members and acquire weapons. It was also affected by economic reasons - in particular, a drop in oil prices, respectively, a decrease in revenues from the black market for oil and petroleum products, as well as the loss of fields, refining and transportation centers due to air strikes.
  • gray_angel
    gray_angel 29 January 2016 13: 52
    -12 qualifying.
    Quote: avvg
    Russia helped the Syrian people to straighten the spirit and Russia has helped, is helping and will continue to help the Syrian people in the fight against the "shaitans."

    the only question is, at whose expense the banquet, Assad could very well buy a hundred different modern tanks from our personal egg caps ...
    1. mahor
      mahor 30 January 2016 10: 24
      -1
      the only question is, at whose expense the banquet, Assad could very well buy a hundred different modern tanks from our personal egg caps ...

      It remains to win the war and remain in power ... all business then ... bully
  • PKK
    PKK 29 January 2016 14: 12
    +3
    I hope the tankers will hang on it a new protection made of concrete blocks and a perimeter grate. It looks very impressive. I’m sorry, I have not yet learned to insert a picture.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 29 January 2016 14: 20
    +7
    Well, in general, now you can significantly and cheaply increase the capabilities of mechanical connections:
    The main difficulties with the T-72 tanks were mostly knocked out. At the same time, T-72 mod 89 and T-72BA are massively removed in Russia and replaced by T-72Б3 repaired from stock (where the resource is more complete). Beaten with life in the T-72 teams with Contacts and other good stuffing, you can not store them in Siberia, but with a minimum VTG take ferries to Syria. There, to form companies from the most experienced tankers with the T-72, according to the accelerated retrain, organize and send to the most critical areas.

    The second difficulty is the delivery of infantry. Pennies are running out, deuces piece. There are a lot of kopecks in Russia, but they need to be restored (the same Iraq thought and eventually bought up in the Czech Republic - where they were sold for a penny). Twos are few and they are in the troops. In general, there is a rather complicated question.


    By the way, the Syrians immediately upgraded the tank from the base. In the hole on the towers came across boxes, on the side skirt too.
  • slon991
    slon991 29 January 2016 14: 46
    -11 qualifying.
    These tanks are distinguished from the basic model by the 2 generation of the “Contact-5” generation, which “protects not only against cumulative ammunition, but also against armor-piercing sabots”, the author notes.

    But TOW c easily passes
  • corsar26
    corsar26 29 January 2016 15: 28
    +1
    here, it seems, a brand new 72 is sent for reconnaissance from 43 minutes, at 57 m it can be seen that the DZ block did not work after being hit, it burned through a cumulative jet:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1T9wEdkQmI
    ps / what is the trunk in the second video?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHMc1lReBYM
  • segamegament
    segamegament 29 January 2016 15: 50
    +2


    Here the Jews, they crowed something about the all-powerful Almighty Dzahal and non-burning chariots)))
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 January 2016 16: 01
      17
      Quote: segamegament
      Here the Jews, they crowed something about the all-powerful Almighty Dzahal and non-burning chariots)))

      Oh, how I love specialists who are not able to distinguish Abrams from Merkava? What is your nationality? wink
    2. slon991
      slon991 29 January 2016 17: 58
      -1
      That's where Abrasha stands. And this fire is not an indicator: after such hits, the crew in 90% of cases independently gets out of the vehicle — the tank is lost, people are safe.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 29 January 2016 15: 53
    -11 qualifying.
    Until now, my farts are burning, as I see a photo of the "modernized" T72. angry The geeks "mastered" so much money to make our tanks leaky like a sieve. And our president-sanctimonious will not lift a finger, so that everyone to clean water and to the wall. am
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 29 January 2016 15: 58
    +8
    Quote: Professor
    Well? A curtain shines hay baud nose unmasking the tank for miles. Count how many times the Curtain could save the tank even theoretically.


    Professor, I think smile , You're not right. Measurement of the range of the tank would immediately provoke a response and warning the crew with a turret to threaten with the inclusion of the Curtain and / or the establishment of smoke interference. Of course, this is not a panacea and I would prefer to go into battle on a tank with good KAZ, but still ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 January 2016 16: 04
      0
      Quote: barbiturate
      Professor, I think you are wrong. Measurement of the range of the tank would immediately provoke a response and warning the crew with a turret to threaten with the inclusion of the Curtain and / or the establishment of smoke interference. Of course, this is not a panacea and I would prefer to go into battle on a tank with good KAZ, but still ...

      What is the range measurement and why?
      ATGM BGM-71 TOW
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 29 January 2016 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        What is the range measurement and why?


        Ah ... litter, the mistake came out) I thought that before launching, laser rangefinding is still used and the Blind can help here (even with the presence of laser radiation sensors), but apparently they didn’t count on it. laughing
        It would be interesting to know the effect of Tou on modern DZ type Relic (for example).
        By the way, you don’t know what kind of modification of the Tou so equipped and massively equipped the militants? Tou 2A?
        1. Professor
          Professor 29 January 2016 16: 36
          +1
          Quote: barbiturate
          By the way, you don’t know what kind of modification of the Tou so equipped and massively equipped the militants? Tou 2A?

          IMHO ATGM TOW 2A (BGM-71E).
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 January 2016 16: 47
    10
    As soon as the good news about Syria, immediately the professor and the team activates (all mouth shut ..)))) Write men do not be afraid! hi Let's support ...
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 29 January 2016 22: 40
      +2
      I read it, decided to write a post on the topic - "The Professor came with a team and vulgarized everything", but you are ahead :)
    2. Professor
      Professor 29 January 2016 22: 46
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Support

      You then personally than support. Knowledge is zero. Minus one? wink
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 29 January 2016 16: 53
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: barbiturate
    By the way, you don’t know what kind of modification of the Tou so equipped and massively equipped the militants? Tou 2A?

    IMHO ATGM TOW 2A (BGM-71E).


    I wonder how many of these systems and missiles were delivered to them? These bearded ones can share with the bearded ones from Hezbollah, or from where else they start to hammer with such missiles Merkava, the weapon is spreading.
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 January 2016 17: 02
      +6
      Quote: barbiturate
      I wonder how many of these systems and missiles were delivered to them?

      A lot of. There are many.


      Quote: barbiturate
      These bearded ones can share with the bearded ones from Hezbollah, or from where else they start to hammer with such missiles Merkava, the weapon is spreading.

      Hizbalons have always had TOUs.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 29 January 2016 22: 36
        0
        To get it! This is what would not be obscene.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 29 January 2016 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    A lot of. There are many.


    Well, apparently, the West and our rich Arab countries are pumping weapons intensively there, it will soon be easier to hire these bearded men with great combat experience than to prepare their own laughing

    Quote: Professor
    Hizbalons have always had TOUs.


    And what is the effectiveness of the application? After all, Merkava is a large tank, and if you look at the reserved volumes, the T-72 is as if not even worse armored than Western or Merkava.
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 January 2016 18: 08
      -4
      Quote: barbiturate
      And what is the effectiveness of the application? After all, Merkava is a large tank, and if you look at the reserved volumes, the T-72 is as if not even worse armored than Western or Merkava.

      5 tanks were irretrievably lost - 3 from ATGM hits (one by one Merkava Mk.2, Mk.3 and Mk.4). How much of the TOU is unknown. There were Cornets and more.

      PS
      There is a widespread introduction of KAZ.
      1. Gippo
        Gippo 30 January 2016 00: 45
        -2
        Sorry, where's the KAZ?
        An unknown animal drove by, something like "Namer", called ...
        Where is KAZ? Gloomy boxes on the sides? Or maybe it's BC, or crew briefs?
        Let's communicate correctly and reasonably.
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 January 2016 08: 34
          0
          Quote: Gippo
          de kaz? Gloomy boxes on the sides? Or maybe it's BC, or crew briefs?

  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 29 January 2016 18: 30
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    There is a widespread introduction of KAZ.


    In modern realities, it is simply an irreplaceable thing of course. Take the same T-72, because it was created for a completely different war and other conditions of use, like the Abrams, etc. but they are used stubbornly in low-intensity conflicts against militants (partisans in fact). Equip these KAZ vehicles with good dynamic protection and there will already be a different alignment and the crews will begin to work quietly and not twitch.

    By the way, I did not see any attempts by Syrian tankers to counter Toe with improvised means, namely: To weld screens, to strengthen sandbags on the armor, because they know about the Toe working on them, the war has long been going on and this is clearly not news (the presence of ATGM militants). I would strengthen my 72ku with improvised means, if I were given such a naked one like that of the Arabs)
    1. Just me
      Just me 29 January 2016 20: 04
      +1
      Not true. There are photos where the tank is covered with sandbags. It’s not clear how it moves, but the pictures were
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 January 2016 20: 08
        +1
        Quote: Simple
        There are photos where the tank is covered with sandbags. It’s not clear how it moves, but the pictures were

        What's the problem? If only the suspension could withstand, but the engine power would be enough

      2. barbiturate
        barbiturate 29 January 2016 20: 38
        0
        Photos can be found and can be, I did not search, but talked about the video. There are many starts and hits on the video, and nowhere have I seen what I was talking about.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 29 January 2016 21: 47
    +1
    If a handful of tanks are traveling, then with proper shelter from ATGMs, you can still kill them, and if there comes a tank column of a hundred or more pieces, then ATGMs are useless.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 29 January 2016 22: 37
      +1
      Why are they useless? Useful if you have ATGM and you want to quickly die the death of the brave :)
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 30 January 2016 05: 16
    +2
    Quote: Yak28
    If a handful of tanks are traveling, then with proper shelter from ATGMs, you can still kill them, and if there comes a tank column of a hundred or more pieces, then ATGMs are useless.


    Well, they’ll just burn half a column and that’s all, they’re useless. Tanks need to be correctly used, there should be full interaction with other types and branches of the army, and tanks should be built in large columns and thrown at an unpressed anti-tank system ...
  • Hammer
    Hammer 30 January 2016 08: 18
    +2
    Quote: Lanista
    Colleague, please enlighten WHERE the Curtain is located on the T-80.
    And the second question: doesn’t the Too-2 have laser illumination of the target and the optical path correction channel?

    In the tender for the supply of Greece, the T-80 came with a curtain. Yes, the TOU has a laser light, just like on all foreign tanks, but their laser beams are too weak for the curtain, and it does not recognize them. What can not be said about the Soviet. So it goes. Urapatriots, of course, can express their indignation, but I ask you to send him in the direction of designers, and not in mine, I just state the facts.
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 January 2016 08: 33
      -1
      Quote: Hammer
      Yes, the tou has laser light

      Yah? What for?
    2. TOR2
      TOR2 30 January 2016 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: Hammer
      it has a laser light, as well as on all foreign tanks, but their laser beams are too weak for the curtain, and it does not recognize them
      Let's just logically estimate. With a laser agenda, the target is illuminated by a laser beam, which, as it were, is reflected from it. The seeker recognizes this reflection and flies towards the target. It turns out the seeker is located several kilometers away. "sees" the reflection, but the block "Curtains" does not see the background parts of the tank that are under the nose. As far as it turns out, the three zeros behind the digits can be painted on safely.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 30 January 2016 09: 18
    0
    Quote: Hammer
    I'm just stating the facts.


    I have not heard about this, but where did this fact come from? Can share the source of information? smile

    Quote: Professor
    Yah? What for?


    I also wanted to know if there was really no lock on the launch range at Tou, and if so, how would the system know the range to the target and block the operator’s decision to start?
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 January 2016 09: 27
      0
      Quote: barbiturate
      I also wanted to know if there was really no lock on the launch range at Tou, and if so, how would the system know the range to the target and block the operator’s decision to start?

      There is nothing about this in the original instructions for use (pages 1-26 to 1-30).
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 30 January 2016 09: 39
    0
    Quote: Professor
    There is nothing about this in the original instructions for use (pages 1-26 to 1-30).


    Apparently, the developers rely entirely on the qualifications of the operator and prefer the absence of unmasking radiation towards the target, otherwise it would certainly be in the instructions for the complex. How cunning, this Tou laughing
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 January 2016 09: 55
      0
      Not only them. In Cornet, the range to the target is set by eye, and there knowledge of the range is critical.

      PS
      The new PU TOU also has a rangefinder.
  • mahor
    mahor 30 January 2016 11: 03
    +1
    T-54 sample 51 years (near) and sample 46 years (last in a row)
    T-54 (Object 137) - Soviet medium tank. Adopted by the Soviet Army of the USSR Armed Forces in 1946, mass-produced, from 1947, constantly modernizing. Since 1958, its modification under the name T-55 was produced, adapted for military operations in the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons. In 1961-1967, it was mainly replaced in the production and TV of the USSR Armed Forces by the T-62 tank, created on its basis, but on the OZTM the T-55 production continued until 1979. Also, a number of countries produced the T-54 itself, or its modernized or adapted to local conditions options.
    The T-54 was exported and is in service in many armed forces of the states of the world, it was used in most post-war local conflicts. The tank has become known for its highest reliability and simplicity, highly praised by many experts. Throughout the Afghan war, the main tank in the OKSVA tank units were the T-55 and T-62. Despite the availability of a sufficient number of more modern and powerful tanks in the USSR Armed Forces at that time and constant modernization of light armored vehicles, they were not sent to the OKSVA motorized rifle and airborne units, the OKSVA tank fleet remained unchanged throughout the 9 years of the war, which was due to the absence of modern tanks in parts of the SA Armed Forces of the USSR on the southern borders of the USSR and a limited number of anti-tank weapons at dushmans.
  • mahor
    mahor 30 January 2016 11: 07
    +1
    Pion.
    203 mm self-propelled gun 2S7 "Peony" arr. 1976
    One of the most powerful self-propelled artillery mounts in the world. It was made according to a reckless scheme; during the development, the components and assemblies of the T-80 main battle tank were used. Designed to destroy objects located in the rear of the enemy, therefore, has a high firing range. Able to shoot tactical nuclear weapons. The 2S7 Peony gun was part of the high-power artillery brigades. Exported to Poland and Czechoslovakia.
  • mahor
    mahor 30 January 2016 11: 11
    +2
    And finally, the top of the collection for defeating the igil, what we developed at the time:
    Already not a flower at all, but nevertheless a very impressive launcher of Elbrus. The wheels are lowered, apparently so as not to be stolen.
    Self-propelled launcher 9P117 operational-tactical missile system 9K72 "Elbrus" mod. 1967 Intended for transportation, putting into a combat position, guidance and launch launch. The complex is used to destroy manpower, command posts, airfields and other important enemy targets. Operational-tactical missiles can be equipped with nuclear, high-explosive and chemical warheads. In the 1970s and 1980s the complex was armed with missile brigades, being the main missile system of the army and front-line units. The export version (P-300) was widely exported.
    Only bearded tanks do not gouge ... drinks
  • mahor
    mahor 30 January 2016 11: 31
    +2
    If there is not enough technology, then we take from here:
  • CRASH
    CRASH 30 January 2016 17: 58
    -2
    Well, that's nice, we make room for 90 and Almaty, 72 is too much on canned food.
  • Slippery
    Slippery 30 January 2016 19: 11
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Well? The curtain shines under his breath unmasking the tank for kilometers. Count how many times the Curtain could save the tank even theoretically.

    I use your methods of argument. And where did you see electronic reconnaissance equipment at the "barmaley"? Well, let him unmask. Next, 2/3 shots are fired at motionless "vacuum cleaners" and from a hill, in one of the videos at 6:30 a shot at a moving BMP in the "milk" t. the crew and the landing party cheerfully scrambled into the bushes. Not so sweet with Tou? Shooting from a hill, the course is even, the speed is constant, there is no fire resistance, there is no curtain either. Damn place, huh? ... And finally, about the curtain itself, it was developed for the Russian steppes and not for the Syrian mountains, the curtain shines not under the nose of the tank, but under the nose of the tower (the thing that rotates on top), this is about the sides that are not lit. I agree the curtain is a controversial thing, but !!! there is a concept complex protective measures. Initially, your arguments are strange, because you must agree that the merkava in the forests near St. Petersburg or Arkhangelsk will be burned by the peasants, after it sinks in our soils and swamps, with its weight and specific pressure on the ground. Merkava sucks. Your statements are sometimes perceived as the motto of a conscript soldier on his morning run: "The Arab knows and the Jew knows the Israeli army is the strongest." And maybe I'm not paying attention, but I never saw in which video the curtain didn't stop Tou.
    PS I hope the discussion of TTX will be held in a calm manner, let the young people tear at the cans.