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America in debt?

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Barack Obama has ruled the United States for seven years. Over the years, the US national debt has grown by 8,3 trillion. dollars, reaching an astronomical sum in 18,9 trillion. dollars. At least, it is on this number that the US Treasury abuts. If we translate new record-breaking debt indicators into households, it will turn out: the financial burden of each family has grown by almost 71 thousand dollars. However, among the households that will have to repay debts, the Obama family is also included. But the president will hardly be able to save the country. Previously, experts expressed the view that the United States is waiting for a debt catastrophe in the Greek scenario.


New indicators on US government debt led agency CNS News.


The growth of US government debt from January. 1996 to Jan. 2016 You can clearly see the rapid increase in debt during the years of President Obama. Source: CNS News


Over the seven years of US President Barack Obama’s government debt, the federal government’s debt has increased by $ 8.314.529.850.339,07 (round 8,315 trillion). These are official figures published by the US Treasury, Terence Jeffrey reports.

According to the Census Bureau estimates, as of September 2015, 117,748 million families lived in the United States. During the seven years of the Obama presidency, the “debt” of each household has grown by 70.612 dollars and 91 cents.

For comparison, Terence Jeffrey gave indicators of the debt burden of the reign of Bush Junior.

During his presidency (eight years in office), federal debt increased by 4,899 trillion. dollars Growth of debt for each family amounted to 44.104 dollars and 65 cents. The number of households was equal to 20 in January 2009 of the year (on that day G. Bush transferred his post to B.H. Obama) 111,079 million

Over fifteen years — from the beginning of the first term of George W. Bush to the end of the seventh year of B. H. Obama’s rule — the US federal debt grew by 13,214 trillion. This increase yielded debt growth by 112.219 dollars and 57 cents in terms of each of the 117,748 million households that lived in the country in September 2015.

And some more useful statistics.

When George W. Bush took office (it was January 20 2001 of the year), the US federal debt amounted to 5,728 trillion. When eight years later B. H. Obama took office (January 20 2009), the federal debt already amounted to 10,627 trillion. Doll.

As of January 20 2016, when Obama completed his seventh year at the White House, the US federal debt amounted to 18,941 trillion. Doll.

What is the US government doing in this situation?

The same as before: increases the "ceiling" of public debt. With a pen of a pen.

Last November "Lenta.ru" With reference to Reuters, it announced the signing of B.H. Obama’s budget plan for the next two years. In particular, the new plan allows you to increase the borrowing limit. According to the document, the US authorities should return to the March of 2017 to discuss the issue of the “credit limit”.

As for the signed plan, it allows Washington to continue increasing its public debt.

Within one and a half years, the publication indicates, the credit ceiling will rise automatically - “as necessary”.

"Reuters" notes that without the adoption of this document there was a threat of "default".

An American politician, former Republican Senator Ron Paul, who had run for president three times, warned about the "default" earlier.

Last year, in his column published on the website of the Institute for Peace and Prosperity, he wrote that Washington could face an economic crisis if the government does not learn from stories with the Greek debt crisis. Interestingly, the politician sees the reasons for the catastrophic increase in public debt in the wars that America is leading all over the world.

"America will never put its financial affairs in order until we give up our foreign policy and stop spending trillions on unnecessary and unconstitutional wars," Ron Paul quotes. "Lenta.ru".

Ron Paul identified other exorbitant wastes. In his opinion, the United States suffers from excessive social security and corporate benefits.

In addition, the dollar is challenged. And he may even lose the status of the global key currency: “China and Russia are ready to abandon the dollar in international settlements. Many countries will challenge our currency - it is only a matter of time. ” The politician believes that if this happens, a catastrophe similar to the Greek one can become inevitable in the USA.

However, financiers will hardly agree with the hypothesis of Paul.

Earlier, financial expert Andrei Movchan explained in the journal "Forbes"why the debt collapse, which the United States has been predicting for years, will never come.

The theory of "harmfulness" of large foreign and public debt has no evidence, the expert believes. “The inverse relationship between GDP growth rates and the size of public debt does not mean that large debt depressively affects GDP,” he writes. - History knows a lot of examples of rapid economic growth of countries with high levels of debt, including post-war America; over the past 150, more than half of the time, Great Britain has had a national debt above 100% of GDP. ”

The financier quotes the words of Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, who recalled: the state is not a household. The states do not return debts, but amortize them as the gross domestic product grows and inflation increases, cumulatively leading to an increase in tax revenues to the treasury.

“The endless growth of the budget deficit, financed by increasing debt, will sooner or later end in default. But with the cost of servicing debt comparable to the level of inflation, even with a low GDP growth rate and a very slow reduction of the budget deficit (and the United States, even in the soft version proposed by Obama, is planning a fairly quick reduction), the country easily copes with the growth of debt covering the budget deficit ".


B. H. Obama, add to this, hardly thinks that the country "easily copes with the growth of debt." Of course, he signs budget plans, raises the “ceiling” of public debt, but does not forget about reducing the costs that Ron Paul rightly pointed out (see above).

In particular, US military spending, under the new bill, will decrease to 580 billion dollars in the 2017 st fiscal year. For comparison: the US military budget for the 2016-th fiscal year was 612 billion.

In addition, the growth of public debt is not only financial, but also political: the huge and growing numbers are voiced by Obama’s opponents from the Republican Party, “forgetting” that George W. Bush launched two protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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  1. izya top
    izya top 1 February 2016 06: 35
    11
    there is a precedent, a moratorium on payment will be announced. It’s not in vain that the salostan was so intensely supported in this endeavor
    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 1 February 2016 06: 42
      21
      America is not used to forgiving everyone their debts.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 February 2016 07: 01
        24
        Quote: Sensatus
        America is not used to forgiving everyone their debts.

        Now they accept ANY money issued ever. That is, no one in their right mind would buy a hamburger for the silver dollar of the 1804th year of release. But they must accept it.

        I think, they’ll do something like the 1991 Pavlovian reform - they will announce all the printed dollars with paper, introduce a new one - purple, for example, and watch, giggling, how the whole world will run to change old candy wrappers for new ones ... They will begin the history of the dollar from scratch, and all previous debts will be canceled - they’re not new dollars ... negative

        Look, like Solovyov's Michael Bim-Bom. Solovyov tells him that Hussein was never hanged and why Yugoslavia was bombed, and Bim-Bom rolled out the glass burkals: "This was done by the previous administration. Obama Hussein hung? Is there any claim to the current one? No? Well, there’s no trial ..." negative
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 1 February 2016 08: 12
          12
          You have a dilettante approach to money. It is our citizens who love to keep savings in green papers. The main part of the dollar money supply in the world is non-cash money. So there will be no withdrawal of money under the guise of monetary reform. On the other hand, non-cash money simplifies the procedure for the worldwide scam, for this it is enough to simply find an excuse. And as soon as the pyramid of debt staggers, such an excuse will be found in no time. It is another matter that while in conditions of instability the whole world is ready to borrow the most "stable" economy at a meager percentage, the pyramid can grow for a long time, more than a decade. But it will collapse at one moment.
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 February 2016 08: 37
            -8
            Quote: Nikolai K
            You have an amateurish approach to money. It is our citizens who like to keep savings in green papers. The bulk of the dollar money supply in the world is non-cash money.

            Like in any country
            Quote: Nikolai K
            On the other hand, non-cash money simplifies the procedure of the global scam, for this it is enough just to find an excuse

            Stupidity
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Another thing is that while in conditions of instability the whole world is ready to borrow at a meager percentage of the most "stable" economy

            gives. means trusts
            Quote: Nikolai K
            But it will collapse in one moment.

            Yes . shale oil and gas are the same bluff.
            1. Temples
              Temples 1 February 2016 08: 49
              17
              US GDP over 16 trillion
              The author "forgot" to write about this?

              One could compare debt and earnings. So, just in case.
              And to think why everyone rushes headlong to give their money to the Amer economy, and not to Medvedev.

              Though get out of it, they just got the grave diggers of the buck and the American economy. Hollow Nuts.

              The whole world is booming, but the Americans are mired in debt!
              How much can you smack nonsense?
              This is currently the strongest economy.
              And this is a fact.
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              2. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 1 February 2016 09: 59
                +8
                Even despite the size of GDP, the US public debt is very significant. Over the past 8 years alone, each American household has 71 thousand dollars of additional debt. This means that in order to repay this debt in the next 8 years, each household must pay about 10 thousand dollars annually. Home improvement is usually 1-2 working. I think that even for an American to pay 10000 dollars a year is a lot. I would even say unrealistic. Therefore, we can definitely say that the United States will not repay its public debt in the near future. Does this mean the collapse of American debt? Of course not. As long as the whole world puts money in an American capsule at 1-2% per annum, the tats will live in peace and still have fun and even continue to spend borrowed money on social insurance programs, cars and other iPhones. The entire financial system of the world is built on TRUST. While Americans are trusted, they will take on credit. And give. . . why, when in the world there are so many people who still want to give a loan.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 1 February 2016 13: 24
                  0
                  for Nikolai K:
                  "I think even for an American to pay $ 10000 a year is a lot" ////

                  $ 830 a month? - not so much.
                  The average household income in the United States is $ 52,000 per year. 4,300 dollars
                  per month. $ 830 is stressful, of course, but it will not ruin.
                  1. Ziksura
                    Ziksura 1 February 2016 13: 57
                    +6
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The average household income in the United States is $ 52,000 per year. 4,300 dollars
                    per month. $ 830 is stressful, of course, but it will not ruin.

                    And you did not forget that we are talking about GROWTH of debt. And the old one hasn’t gone anywhere. If you are in arrears increased an amount in excess of your annual income, maybe not fatal, but millions of Americans have become homeless like that- AND THIS IS A FACT, the evidence is complete Internet.
                2. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  Even despite the size of GDP, the US public debt is very significant.

                  It is almost equal to the world average.
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  This means that, in order to repay this debt in the next 8 years

                  Nobody is going to give anything away.
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  I think that even for an American to pay 10000 dollars (per family) per year is a lot.

                  With an average annual income of $ 40000 per worker?
                3. Allax
                  Allax 1 February 2016 19: 19
                  +2
                  Not so simple in this world. The entire US borrowing system is structured in such a way that at once all debt (or at least 20-30 percent) is simply impossible to demand for payment. And with the payment of more small parts of the United States will cope without problems. So the US public debt in itself is not so dangerous
              3. alicante11
                alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 12
                +9
                US GDP over 16 trillion
                The author "forgot" to write about this?


                What does it have to do with real ones — production ones (industry, construction, agricultural ones are only FOUR. Total, they produce only 4 trillion. And the rest is service staff (trade, public catering, transport) and stock speculation.

                This is currently the strongest economy.
                And this is a fact.


                But that's for sure. 10-to AVG will be stronger than a dozen factories.
                1. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 37
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  What does it have to do with real ones — production ones (industry, construction, agricultural ones of them are only FOUR.

                  Well, now in any "developed" country (and in "developing" ones too), probably at least 60% of GDP is a "service sector". Because the "crisis of overproduction" for example request
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 37
                    +1
                    Well, now in any "developed" country (and in "developing" ones too), probably at least 60% of GDP is a "service sector". Because the "overproduction crisis" for example request


                    Yeah, but 40-45% is not 25%. After all.
                    1. Mr. Pip
                      Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 16: 09
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Yeah, but 40-45% is not 25%. After all.

                      All the same, 20%, not 25. And what exactly did you mean by that?
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 1 February 2016 16: 45
                    -7
                    Quote: Mr. PIP
                    Now in any "developed" country (and in "developing" ones too), probably at least 60% of GDP is a "service sector". Because the "crisis of overproduction" for example

                    The share of services in China's gross domestic product in 2013 for the first time exceeded the share of industrial production, and the share of agriculture fell to 10%, according to Bloomberg, compiled on the basis of information from the National Bureau of Statistics of the PRC. Sectors of the economy, such as real estate, retail, and finance, accounted for 46% of China's GDP last year, while industrial production contributed 44% to GDP.

                    In 1996, the industrial sector accounted for 48% of GDP, and the services sector - 33%. The contribution of agriculture to the economy during this time was halved - up to 10%.

                    "The increase in the share of services in the Chinese economy is an irreversible process, it will continue to grow," said Cheng Xingdong, chief economist for China at BNP Paribas SA. "The days when everything was made in China are over," he said, in part because the younger generation is better educated and more demanding.
              4. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 29
                +2
                Quote: Temples
                One could compare debt and earnings. So, just in case.

                Well, in general, public debt is always indicated for objectivity as a percentage of GDP, the United States has 105% and this is 13th place in the world.
                And even more objectively assess the external debt, it is 109% in the United States and the planet average is 98%.
                At the same time, he has 236% in France, and this is far from a record.
                It's just that all this US "debt" in foreign currency is nothing more than speculation on people's misunderstanding of the basic principles of modern macroeconomics request
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 38
                  +1
                  France needs to be considered in the common EU code. They generally consider a consolidated economy.
                  1. Mr. Pip
                    Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 16: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: alicante11
                    France needs to be considered in the common EU code.

                    Exaggeration - they have their own economy.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 1 February 2016 16: 46
                    -3
                    Quote: alicante11
                    France needs to be considered in the common EU code. They generally consider a consolidated economy.

                    Since when ?
              5. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 1 February 2016 18: 23
                +3
                Quote: Temples
                One could compare debt and earnings.

                The US has a negative foreign trade balance, exports are less than imports.
                Quote: Temples
                The whole world is booming, but the Americans are mired in debt!

                Debt is growing faster than GDP, Americans print money, pay their debts and so on, they live on unlimited loans, everyone is tied to the dollar so they put up with it. How long it will be going on? Until they find an alternative.
                Quote: Temples
                This is currently the strongest economy.

                The Chinese are already running out of pain. Over time, Southeast Asia will put an end to the dollar, and the dollar is the main instrument of the American economy.
              6. _my opinion
                _my opinion 1 February 2016 18: 28
                +3
                Quote: Temples
                US GDP over 16 trillion
                The author "forgot" to write about this?

                One could compare debt and earnings. So, just in case.
                And to think why everyone rushes headlong to give their money to the Amer economy, and not to Medvedev.

                Though get out of it, they just got the grave diggers of the buck and the American economy. Hollow Nuts.

                The whole world is booming, but the Americans are mired in debt!
                How much can you smack nonsense?
                This is currently the strongest economy.
                And this is a fact.

                this economy is strong as long as it is given a loan ...
                Imagine a neighbor living beyond his means and regularly borrowing from those living next to him ... some of these givers are nourished, some are afraid of amballa guards ...
                the collapse of the USA is not a momentary matter ... no, they will be all methods, it seeks to extend its existence, however no matter how much the rope curls, the end will be ... the trend is visible.

                minus is not mine, as well as plus
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          3. _my opinion
            _my opinion 1 February 2016 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai K
            You have a dilettante approach to money. It is our citizens who love to keep savings in green papers. The main part of the dollar money supply in the world is non-cash money. So there will be no withdrawal of money under the guise of monetary reform. On the other hand, non-cash money simplifies the procedure for the worldwide scam, for this it is enough to simply find an excuse. And as soon as the pyramid of debt staggers, such an excuse will be found in no time. It is another matter that while in conditions of instability the whole world is ready to borrow the most "stable" economy at a meager percentage, the pyramid can grow for a long time, more than a decade. But it will collapse at one moment.

            the main thing is that when the pyramid collapses we are out of reach of the striking elements of this collapse.
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 1 February 2016 14: 52
          +2
          Well, about the pieces of paper and so on. What is the US Federal Reserve System has long been chewed for us, ordinary people. I don’t know how true everything is. But, de facto. It is not controlled by the US government, or more correctly, both the Fed and the government control certain people (clans, communities, lodges, etc.). And who controls with us? Theory of a global global conspiracy. In nature, everything is interconnected. Sadness: (((. It's time to put savings in the stew. So you can’t find her normal darling in the afternoon with fire;)
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 1 February 2016 15: 33
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          It seems to me that they will crank out something like the Pavlovian reform of 1991 with us - they will announce all the printed dollars as paper, introduce a new one

          This did not occur to them even during the "Great Depression"! Unlike all other currencies in the world, all dollars ever issued by the United States (the first of which were born in 1863) remain legal tender.
          Try to go to the bank with Stalin's, Khrushchev's or some other, God forgive me, rubles that have been over the past hundred years and with which we have been regularly "thrown"! It will be a very interesting picture! hi
        4. Enot-poloskun
          Enot-poloskun 1 February 2016 17: 14
          0
          Well? Take bets ...

          Will Obama bring debts to twenty!

          Round number ...
      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 1 February 2016 14: 54
        +7
        And what did a country appear in the world that is ready to REQUIRE a debt repayment from the USA?
        Let the American dollar in fact cost no more than the paper on which it is printed. BUT ... the United States currently has the strongest economy in the world, and therefore political influence. In their country for internal use, they will print as many green papers with portraits of long-dead presidents as they need. And they will provide this paper pulp at the expense of foreign investors (here, purchases of securities, and payments on bank loans received from American banks, etc., etc.). including and at our expense with you.
        For many years now I have been hearing from "experts" predictions that the bubble of the American economy is about to burst. But, no matter how much you shout halva, your mouth will not become sweeter. The states as a state will continue to borrow money from anyone who expresses such a desire (well, or who will be forced to throw money down the drain), without experiencing the slightest desire (and intentions too) to pay off at least part of the debt in any foreseeable the future. The American economy will collapse only in one case - if the world refuses to use the dollar as a currency used in international settlements and as a means of accumulation, as well as the services of the American banking system. But this will never happen as long as there are influential persons in various states (including governments) who lobby the interests of these very American banks. This is just business, nothing personal!
        I have the honor.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 50
          +4
          BUT ... the United States currently has the strongest economy in the world, and therefore political influence.


          Which consists of 2 / 3 of services and exchange games. Which does not add strength to her.

          In their country for internal use, they will print as many green papers with portraits of long-dead presidents as they need.


          The problem is that "for domestic consumption" they will not be able to buy anything with these "green papers". Because most consumer goods come from China. And they trade with him, for the time being, for bucks. But if the Chinese start to trade with other countries for the yen and their national currencies, it will demand the same from the amers, at least in the amount of the surplus. And here you won't get by with already printed bucks.

          And they will provide this paper pulp at the expense of foreign investors.


          At the expense of investors, you can provide anything. But here it will be impossible to buy bucks for these air-conditioned investors.

          But, how many do not shout halva, in a mouth it will not become sweeter. States as a state will continue to borrow money from anyone who expresses such a desire


          And ... there aren’t very many who wish. China is dumping Amer’s securities, Japan is also decreasing its volume, Russia, In Europe, some are still buying bucks being sold for lower prices (ours also speculated well that year). So only offshore companies and the Fed remain. That is, both those and others do not produce anything - only air (or rather, stench). But they cannot replace suppliers from China. and therefore they cannot cover the trade deficit.

          The American economy will collapse only in one case - if the world refuses to use the dollar as the currency used in international payments and as a means of accumulation, as well as the services of the American banking system.


          Namely, and gradually this happens. Locomotives are Russia and China.
        2. atalef
          atalef 1 February 2016 17: 58
          -1
          Quote: Aleksandr72
          And what did a country appear in the world that is ready to REQUIRE a debt repayment from the USA?

          Yes, and moreover regularly.
          What do you think, repayment of debt obligations of the US Federal Reserve - what is this?
          And yet it never happened that the Fed would not pay.
          In this way, a bond is a security that certifies the relationship of a loan between its owner (creditor) and the person who issued it (issuer, debtor) and certifies:
          • the fact that the owner of the paper provided cash to the issuer;
          • the issuer's obligation to repay the debt after a certain time; investor’s right to receive a certain percentage of the bond’s face value in the form of compensation for the money provided
          • the interest on bonds remains constant or changes slightly. Therefore, bonds are fixed income securities or solidly profitable securities.
          Depending on the length of the period, they are divided into short-term (up to one to two years), medium-term (up to five years) and long-term (more than five to ten years).



          Quote: Aleksandr72
          In their country for internal use, they will print as many green papers with portraits of long-dead presidents as they need. And they will provide this paper pulp at the expense of foreign investors (here, purchases of securities, and payments on bank loans received from American banks, etc., etc.). including and at our expense with you.

          States have not been printing new money for 2 years now.
          Quote: Aleksandr72
          The American economy will collapse only in one case - if the world refuses to use the dollar as the currency used in international payments and as a means of accumulation, as well as the services of the American banking system.

          Why refuse reliable. in favor of whom? ruble? Yuan?
          and what are they better?
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 1 February 2016 20: 41
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr72
          Let the American dollar in fact cost no more than the paper on which it is printed.

          The cost of production of one banknote of 10 cents (regardless of its face value). Making a 1 cent coin costs 7 cents. hi
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 1 February 2016 06: 51
      +2
      Well yes. Why would a superpower not continue to be so superb? Nothing and no one bothers.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 1 February 2016 06: 59
      +3
      You can not declare a moratorium. When the whole world is in ruins, they will simply give a loan to all those in need, collect interest and pay debts to those to whom they owe. Provided that if the lenders are still alive. Everything ingenious is simple!
    4. Letun
      Letun 1 February 2016 07: 08
      19
      Two favorite topics on this site:
      1) Bury the USA.
      2) The topic of what kind of "ge" their F-35.
      The couple is already starting to get bored ...
      1. 34 region
        34 region 1 February 2016 07: 14
        +6
        Flyer! 07.08/XNUMX. Have a suggestion? Let's create more themes. Let's talk about flying saucers. There are alien civilizations. There are departed. So what are we talking about?
        1. Villon
          Villon 1 February 2016 08: 10
          +1
          I agree. More topics are needed. Existing topics must be preserved, and new ones added to them.
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 1 February 2016 16: 33
            0
            I would suggest discussing one topic.
            What would all be in one place.
            And then you jump from branch to branch, you lose the essence of the conversation.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 February 2016 10: 37
          +3
          On technical discoveries and systems in all areas.
      2. Slobber
        Slobber 1 February 2016 09: 41
        +4
        1) Bury the USA 2) The topic of what "ge" their F-35 is.

        Forgot topics 3) Kadyrov is our peasant, Russian, 4) Putin is our peasant, boyars are only bad. And of course 5) Obama - 6) Obama - 7) Obama - why. Last so generally eternal.
    5. Blondy
      Blondy 1 February 2016 07: 10
      +3
      And why the heck a question mark in the title?
      1. Villon
        Villon 1 February 2016 08: 12
        +2
        The question mark in the title is because Americans have the first place in the world in armaments.
    6. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 1 February 2016 07: 19
      +1
      I wonder how much it will be if the state debt of the USA + the debt of households + the debt of corporations (business)?
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 1 February 2016 07: 54
        +8
        When you read about US government debt, and other economically developed Western countries, the same thought comes to mind - nobody is going to give these debts. Otherwise, in these countries, the standard of living will collapse so much that the population will run from wherever they look!
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 1 February 2016 08: 39
          +6
          It seems that only one Russia pays its debts, and even forgives those who owe us. Today, again, Mongolia was written off.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 1 February 2016 12: 50
            +4
            In Mongolia, large reserves of Uranus. So write off the terms. I think that all debts that we write off have conditions.
        2. max702
          max702 1 February 2016 12: 37
          +4
          Quote: Dembel 77
          When you read about US government debt, and other economically developed Western countries, the same idea comes to mind - no one is going to give these debts. Otherwise, in these countries, the standard of living will collapse so much that the population will run from wherever they look!

          And also such, we are very fond of being told that we work poorly and ineffectively, if it is in the West! So, looking at the debts of this west, it turns out very interestingly, for each "earned" (and in the US, for example, sales on e, beat more than $ 10 goes to the gross income of those same 16 trillion economy per year) they take another 2-3 dollars from the loan and shout about high efficiency, respectively, their employee receives not earned 700-800 dollars, but 2-2.5 thousand at least .. That is, they clearly live beyond their means, but someone has to pay for all this! This is why the rest of the world is being robbed, and wars, terrorist attacks, color revolutions are organized .. Capitalism itself is unprofitable and exists in the principle of a parasite, living at the expense of the body's resources and simultaneously destroying it .. This idea is not new and the classics have painted it yet more than a hundred years ago.
        3. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 39
          -1
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Otherwise, in these countries, the standard of living will collapse so much that the population will run from wherever they look!

          If "it collapses", it will collapse "where" the main production for the markets of "developed countries" is - world trade will stop fellow
    7. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 1 February 2016 07: 50
      +3
      America in debt
      America is a long-rotting product .. still in the early 70s, I remember, they also said ...
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 1 February 2016 10: 09
        -1
        The state of America never repays its debts, it unleashes wars and imposes democracy in other countries, and at the same time neutralizes debt - this is an axiom. The states are now ready for a long time to rekindle another fire and liquidate once again their public debt.
    8. Archon
      Archon 1 February 2016 12: 51
      0
      Maybe I was mistaken somewhere, but as a result of calculations it turns out that the US debt is a cube of gold with a side of 300 meters. Can someone recount?
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 February 2016 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Archon
        Maybe I was mistaken somewhere, but as a result of calculations it turns out that the US debt is a cube of gold with a side of 300 meters. Can someone recount?

        Will this help you sleep better?
        can calm down
        for such an amount all over the world gold has not yet been mined.
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      3. andj61
        andj61 1 February 2016 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Archon
        Maybe I was mistaken somewhere, but as a result of calculations it turns out that the US debt is a cube of gold with a side of 300 meters. Can someone recount?

        A few were mistaken. That’s about the same amount of dollars if they put them in packs of hundreds of bills. And there will be significantly less gold - a cube with an edge of about 14 m. And in all of the history of mankind, only a little more has been mined - a cube with an edge of about 20 m.
        Anyway - not sickly!
        1. Archon
          Archon 1 February 2016 15: 14
          +1
          US debt
          $ 18.965.630.900.000
          this is 16891971600 troy ounces at the rate of 1 tr. ounce = 1122,93 $
          or 525390992674,8 grams, since 1 tr. ounce = 31,1034768 grams
          or xnumx tons of gold
          or 27241488623651 cm3, since the density of gold is 19.3 g / cm3
          or 27241488,623651 m3
          and since the cubic root of this number will be 300, it turned out,
          that the US debt is a cube of gold with sides of approximately 300 meters.

          Debt is growing, the gold exchange rate is changing, so the data are inaccurate.
    9. Bayonet
      Bayonet 1 February 2016 14: 57
      0
      Quote: izya top
      precedent is-a moratorium on payment will be announced

      We have already announced - indexation for working pensioners, free travel in public transport for working labor veterans. I am not talking about prices ... This somehow affects me more than the "financial collapse" of America. hi
  2. Glot
    Glot 1 February 2016 06: 38
    +7
    But the president is hardly able to save the country. Earlier, experts expressed the view that the US will face a debt catastrophe in the Greek scenario.


    Yeah, from year to year everyone says yes they say that they say America will soon have a cord, and the dollar will collapse below the baseboard. And America stands, and dictates its desires to the whole world, and the dollar holds on as if nothing had happened.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 21
      +1
      Yeah, from year to year everyone says yes they say that they say America will soon have a cord, and the dollar will collapse below the baseboard. And America stands, and dictates its desires to the whole world, and the dollar holds on as if nothing had happened.


      And it never occurred to you that they, too, are aware of "kerdyk" and are doing everything in their power to hold out. Only in the 20th century, they robbed the Great Powers - England, France, twice robbed - Germany and Russia. Robberies are not foreseen by economic science and are not taken into account in economic calculations.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 February 2016 12: 28
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        And it never occurred to you that they, too, are aware of "kerdyk" and are doing everything in their power to hold out.

        Well, it's like a theory, in Russia they know that everything is fine, but they are doing everything to fall.

        And it never crossed your mind that there is no kirdyk there?
        Quote: alicante11
        Only in the 20th century they were robbed of the Great Powers - England, France, twice robbed - Germany and Russia


        Well, why didn’t he add Japan?
        Only all the countries that they robbed (with the exception of Russia) - for some reason, they got out of the pit after the Second World War and began to live much better than the winners.
        Quote: alicante11
        . Robberies are not provided for by economic science and are not taken into account in economic calculations.


        Well, like a gopher, which no one sees, but he is.
        Otherwise, how to explain?
        1. andj61
          andj61 1 February 2016 13: 41
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Well, why didn’t he add Japan?

          Greetings, Alexander? hi
          Why was there robbing in Japan? At the end of the war, they had nothing to be of interest to the United States. In order to rob, it was first necessary to restore the economy, and the United States itself. In Germany it was exactly the same, as well as throughout Europe. The United States first invested, and then it was robbed. But the USSR refused the Marshall plan, and counted solely on its own strengths and capabilities.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 1 February 2016 14: 25
          +3
          And it never crossed your mind that there is no kirdyk there?


          It came, but, however, "he is approaching" (c)

          Well, it's like a theory, in Russia they know that everything is fine, but they are doing everything to fall.


          Mainly by the efforts of foreign goodwill and sometimes domestic elites.

          Well, why didn’t he add Japan?


          Japan - WD? I laughed.

          Only all the countries that they robbed (with the exception of Russia) - for some reason, they got out of the pit after the Second World War and began to live much better than the winners.


          Well, on account of better - the question. But they all began to "live" under the amer's boot. The USSR did not want to accept the "Marshall Plan". As it turns out now - they were right. At the end of the 80s, we took their "medicine" and still cannot recover. Russia simply does not need amers in the form in which it is. Now, if you cut it down to the Moscow region, then maybe the remnants will also live "better".

          Well, like a gopher, which no one sees, but he is.
          Otherwise, how to explain?


          No not like this. I mean that economists do not take into account the profit from robbery in their forecasts. And he is present. Until. Therefore, forecasts are not justified.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 1 February 2016 14: 36
            -2
            Quote: alicante11
            It came, but, however, "it is coming

            Reasonedly
            laughing

            Quote: alicante11
            Mainly by the efforts of foreign goodwill and sometimes domestic elites

            Clear . all that’s good in Russia is Putin, all that’s bad came from overseas or the 5th convoy, and Obama pisses in elevators
            Quote: alicante11
            Japan - WD? I laughed.

            What is VD and why are you about yourself in the middle kind?
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, on account of better - the question. But they all began to "live" under the amer's boot

            Well, yes, and what else to answer. If they live well, then under Amer’s boot (by the way, why with a boot, they walk in boots), and if in full w .., then they’re free

            Quote: alicante11
            The USSR did not want to accept the "Marshall Plan". As it turns out now - they were right

            Of course, that’s why Germany’s GDP is higher than Russia’s and the welfare of Russians depends on whether Germany will buy gas and sell technology to Russia
            Quote: alicante11
            Russia simply does not need Amers in the form in which it is

            Does the government need it for what it is?
            Quote: alicante11
            ... Now, if you cut it down to the Moscow region, then maybe the remnants will also live "better".

            It is a pity, of course, that there is a country (such as Canada), which is larger than Russia in size, located in the same climate zone, but for some reason it lives better. But I forgot, after all, it’s under the fifth of another country, which is slightly smaller than Russia, although the population there is 2.2 times larger and it’s why, for some reason, it’s not living badly

            Quote: alicante11
            I mean that economists do not take into account the profit from robbery in their forecasts

            You are the only economist. which takes this into account and live in your alternative universe
            Quote: alicante11
            And he is present

            Like a gopher.
            Quote: alicante11
            Till. Therefore, forecasts are not justified.

            maybe the source data is not correct 7
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 25
              +1
              Reasonedly


              Just like you.

              Clear . all that’s good in Russia is Putin, all that’s bad came from overseas or the 5 column,


              Where do I write about GDP?

              Yes, Obama pisses in elevators


              And it so catastrophically affects the economy? You’ve gotten ready today - deuce.

              What is VD and why are you about yourself in the middle kind?


              VD - Great Power. I talked about this in the first post you commented on. Slovoers, internet meme.

              Well, yes, and what else to answer. If they live well, then under Amer’s boot (by the way, why with a boot, they walk in boots), and if in full w .., then they’re free


              No, not everyone lives well under the Amer’s boot, only the elite and close servants (and even then this is amerm needed). Russia is not one of those. So we will somehow deal with the standard of living ourselves.

              Of course, that’s why Germany’s GDP is higher than Russia’s and the welfare of Russians depends on whether Germany will buy gas and sell technology to Russia


              But not higher than the Soviet one. And there was no shortage of technology in the USSR.

              Does the government need it for what it is?


              Current? Mostly yes. Well, unless the people a little fool with the help of the exam and education for the elite. And so they are satisfied with everything, IMHO.

              It is a pity, of course, that there is a country (such as Canada), which is larger than Russia in size, located in the same climate zone, but for some reason it lives better.


              You have Jews and your chosen geography :). Ostap carried ...

              You are the only economist. which takes this into account and live in your alternative universe


              I am not an economist. But this allows us to understand economic processes much better than the statements of your economists in the spirit of the Mavrodi.

              Like a gopher.


              It would be a wish ...

              maybe the source data is not correct 7


              Yeshhh. I say robbery is not taken into account.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 1 February 2016 19: 39
                +1
                Quote: alicante11
                Well, except that people a little fool with the help of the exam

                The exam cannot fool, this is an exam and it is designed to test students' knowledge. Only propaganda can deceive, both on the one hand and on the other. Those who have a low level of knowledge are more easily bullied. smile hi
            2. Your friend
              Your friend 1 February 2016 15: 47
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Clear . all that’s good in Russia is Putin, all that’s bad came from overseas or the 5th convoy, and Obama pisses in elevators

              Do you have a fad about pissing in elevators? Do you like to poke yourself? And also an adult ...)))
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 1 February 2016 19: 41
                0
                Quote: Your friend
                And also an adult ...

                "He also put on a hat!" wink
        3. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 52
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          Well, why didn’t he add Japan?

          You can also remember China, as soon as it stopped playing in "utopia" it immediately ceased to be persona non grada in the world economy.
          Quote: atalef
          except for Russia

          Everything is normal with us - do not worry.
      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 49
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        Only in the 20th century did they rob the Great Powers - England

        England was "robbed" by the USSR - the most unexpected decision for the brain of a Western man - robbed so much that he himself got nothing - google how the USSR helped the former colonies.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 53
          +1
          England was "robbed" by the USSR - the most unexpected decision for the brain of a Western man - robbed so much that he himself got nothing - google how the USSR helped the former colonies.


          This is already a consequence. "Google" how the Americans stripped the Angles in WW2.
  3. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 1 February 2016 06: 41
    +6
    The main thing is that, out of habit, as a means of overcoming the economic crisis, they would not create another world war. Although, most likely they are going to this.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 1 February 2016 07: 45
      +1
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      ..not created another world war. Although, most likely they are going to this.

      War is the most reliable way to solve economic problems. At least. Americans think so. The profit received after two "hot" world wars and the third "cold" one convinced them of this.
      Now a moment of fun music
  4. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 1 February 2016 06: 41
    +1
    “America will never tidy up its financial affairs until we give up our foreign policy and stop spending trillions on unnecessary and unconstitutional wars.”

    Such sound reasoning is drowned in the US military doctrine. America can change its course only with the advent of a new party, and even that is unlikely. Own armed forces will not allow.
  5. avvg
    avvg 1 February 2016 06: 41
    +4
    America, in order not to pay anyone, will necessarily unleash wars around the world.
    1. 222222
      222222 1 February 2016 09: 53
      +2
      avvg RU Today, 06: 41 New
      America, in order not to pay anyone, will definitely unleash wars all over the world. "" "" "


      Milos Zeman "An aggressor is one who attacks a certain country before the United States."
  6. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 1 February 2016 06: 41
    11
    In this picture, 15 trillion dollars in hundreds.
  7. venaya
    venaya 1 February 2016 06: 42
    +3
    When we talk about public debt, we should not forget such a moment as clarification - to whom exactly a particular state owed money. If this is a private structure, then in this case such a private structure simply gets the opportunity to be manipulated by the government and this activity can lead to the very opposite consequences. So it is not clear what exactly will lead such a huge state. debt.
    1. VP
      VP 1 February 2016 07: 00
      +1
      They must the Fed. Will agree.
      1. Villon
        Villon 1 February 2016 10: 09
        -1
        Quote: VP
        They must the Fed.

        The Fed is independent of the US government. It is doubtful that the American people could now decide their fate themselves.

        Quote: VP
        Will agree.

        Just how? The average American is entangled in debt and credit.
        1. VP
          VP 1 February 2016 10: 29
          -3
          Depends actually. Although not directly. Read about the Fed.
          About the "average American". It has nothing to do with the national debt, it is not even corporate debt.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 24
            0
            Here you are a strange person, but at the expense of whose taxes, if not a "common American" the budget is being formed? Here's to pay with them.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 14: 53
              -2
              Quote: alicante11
              and at the expense of whose taxes, if not the "ordinary American" the budget is being formed?

              Usually at the expense of medium and large businesses, isn't it request
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 1 February 2016 15: 27
                +1
                Usually at the expense of medium and large businesses, isn't it


                But do small and large businesses pay salary taxes not for ordinary Americans?
                1. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 16: 41
                  -2
                  Quote: alicante11
                  But do small and large businesses pay salary taxes not for ordinary Americans?

                  And the more serious the business, the smaller the share of salary in its turnover - one crane can cost $ 1 million. and the crane operator’s salary is $ 500.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 1 February 2016 15: 48
          -1
          Quote: Villon
          ? The average American is entangled in debt and credit.

          Are we doing fine? Now the share of overdue debt is 12,7% of the total loan debt of citizens. The volume of “bad” debts with late payments for more than 90 days over the past year increased by 51%, from 736 to 1 billion rubles. what
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 1 February 2016 06: 43
    0
    what else needs to be done to finally destroy this global vicious financial pyramid from the Yankees ...
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 1 February 2016 08: 31
      +7
      Perestroika and new thinking!
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 1 February 2016 08: 45
      0
      And what are our "partners" most afraid of?
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 1 February 2016 06: 44
    +2
    USA is not Greece .. will survive ..
  10. Lyapis
    Lyapis 1 February 2016 06: 45
    15
    Even before the 2008 crisis, there was talk that the United States would soon go bankrupt and fall apart. Very soon, literally tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. But almost a decade has passed and ... nothing has changed. Americans do not live hard and even adjusted their economies since 2008 (unlike us, by the way).
    It’s time to understand that their public debt is as virtual as the value of the American dollar. And while the whole world uses the dollar, you can spit on public debt of any size.
    And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless. request
    1. Riv
      Riv 1 February 2016 07: 12
      +4
      So, after all, MMM did not immediately crash. How much did Mavrodi water a little? But the state did not stand behind him. :)

      Simply put: as long as you repay debts, you are given a loan over and over again. But don't give it back once and ... It's easier for the States than Mavrodi. We need dollars - they took it and printed it. But at one point, someone will say: "Enough for me!" - and buy something else for dollars. For example gold. Behind him is the second. And yet, yes: gold is already being bought.
    2. atalef
      atalef 1 February 2016 07: 59
      -5
      Quote: Lyapis
      Even before the 2008 crisis, there was talk that the United States would soon go bankrupt and fall apart. Very soon, literally tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. But almost a decade has passed and ... nothing has changed. Americans do not live hard and even adjusted their economies since 2008 (unlike us, by the way).
      It’s time to understand that their public debt is as virtual as the value of the American dollar. And while the whole world uses the dollar, you can spit on public debt of any size.
      And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless. request

      Tearing a pattern. sir.
      year 2000. Prediction, check
      I write these lines at the end of December 2005, and the United States stands and stands. Back in 2000, very reputable experts said that if the price of oil lasts at $ 40 for at least six months, the American economy will collapse.(2015, GDP - at 80 dollars per barrel - the global economy will collapse) The price of oil has risen much higher than $ 40 and lasted much longer than six months and holds on now, but the US economy is growing, and even the dollar is strengthening. So experts underestimated the fortress of the American bastions.

      As for me and my system, for the first time I predicted the collapse of America in 1991when the USA was on a steep rise and there were no external signs of collapse. Then I indicated the date of the crash - 2005. It was not difficult to make this forecast, the 36-year-old rhythm in the history of the United States was drawn carefully enough, the dates with an interval of 72 years are especially well marked: 1789-1861-1933-2005. For every connoisseur of American history, it is clear how dramatic these dates are.
    3. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Lyapis
      It’s time to understand that their public debt is as virtual as the value of the American dollar. And while the whole world uses the dollar, you can spit on public debt of any size.
      And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless. request

      And why, then, are Americans so afraid of their debt? Why is there a national debt meter on the streets of Manhattan with an average share per family?
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 32
      +1
      Even before the 2008 crisis, there was talk that the United States would soon go bankrupt and fall apart.


      So how many countries have been robbed after the 2008? Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria. And this is only by military-political means. And just as the whole world is taking off to maintain the Amerian economy, they could not have felt any crises at all.

      And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless


      Of course, a public debt of more than half of the annual budget is already fatal in itself. Because it cannot be paid quickly if necessary. Therefore, how many zeros after this is completely irrelevant. Everything can collapse at any moment.
      1. Lyapis
        Lyapis 1 February 2016 13: 23
        -1
        So how many countries have been robbed after 2008? Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria.

        These are just words. The reasons for all the troubles in these countries are not at all the robbery by the United States (and they are not so rich that it makes sense to arrange for the sake of this war).
        Of course, a public debt of more than half of the annual budget is already fatal in itself.

        How much does the US public debt exceed their own budget? Why is America with such an imbalance still alive, if you follow your logic?
        Because it cannot be paid quickly if necessary.

        What such an incredible need may arise?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 1 February 2016 14: 29
          0
          These are just words. The reasons for all the troubles in these countries are not at all a robbery by the United States


          Are you sho? Well, at all, the Americans did not bomb Libya, did not equip terrorists in Syria, American ears do not stick out of the "color revolutions" in Egypt and Tunisia. If the facts don't fit your opinion, so much the worse for the facts.

          (and they are not so rich that it makes sense to arrange for the sake of this war).


          Yes, they brought democracy and prosperity to the oppressed "Eastern despots". I also believe in it, devoutly.

          Well, that's why the Americans have won so little time from this robbery. This, of course, is not the deriban of the wealth of the USSR.

          How much does the US public debt exceed their own budget? Why is America with such an imbalance still alive, if you follow your logic?


          A little bit - just 11 times.
          But because no one dares to demand their money back.
          Firstly, it’s scary that it will turn out to be undemocratic, and secondly, start withdrawing money, the Americans will crash the buck or default and stay with your nose. And so at least some interest dripping nickel, all the bread.

          What such an incredible need may arise?


          A la Ger, com a la Ger. Here it is.
          1. Lyapis
            Lyapis 1 February 2016 15: 23
            -1
            Yes, you sho? Well, the Americans didn’t bomb Libya at all ...

            Bombing and robbing are two different things if you are not in the know. Now we are also bombing the IG, so what? By your logic, do we rob them too?
            Well, that's why the Americans have won so little time from this robbery. This, of course, is not the deriban of wealth of the USSR

            It is possible to believe that the Americans there have earned something financially only by naivety or by stupidity. They as if did not spend more on a military operation. And by the way, the main ringleaders in Libya were the French.
            Americans will bring down the buck or default and stay with your nose.

            Of course, the Americans are famous masochists in order to declare defaults and bring down their own currency, only in order to annoy someone in the world ...
            And so at least some interest dripping nickel, all the bread.

            But what's wrong with reliably saving money and still get interest from it? It is a crime? Or maybe a sin?
            A la Ger, com a la Ger. Here it is.

            Very reasoned ... Analytics is simply of a divine level.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 1 February 2016 16: 14
              +1
              Bombing and robbing are two different things if you are not in the know. Now we are also bombing the IG, so what? By your logic, do we rob them too?


              And how you apparently arrested and expropriated Gaddafi’s money, you probably don’t know. And who became the owner of Libyan oil - too. Well, remain ignorant further.

              It is possible to consider that the Americans earned something financially only by naivety or by stupidity.


              Well, if I'm stupid and naive, so prove your statements. Instead of unfounded sweeping accusations.

              They as if did not spend more on a military operation. And by the way, the main ringleaders in Libya were the French.


              And the main beneficiaries are the Angles and the Americans :).

              Of course, the Americans are famous masochists in order to declare defaults and bring down their own currency, only in order to annoy someone in the world ...


              Yes, not to annoy, but to write off your debt. Think already.

              But what's wrong with reliably saving money and still get interest from it? It is a crime? Or maybe a sin?


              And crime and sin. I have already told one user here that by buying "bucks" to "store" your savings, you support amers in their struggle against you and your country.

              Very reasoned ... Analytics is simply of a divine level.


              And if you think about it? A hint - currency wars ... I hope they didn’t ban Google, however, Yandex also steers.
              1. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 16: 46
                -1
                Quote: alicante11
                And how Gaddafi’s money was arrested and expropriated

                And who is this general, this Gaddafi, that I personally need to care about HIS PERSONAL MONEY? request
                Quote: alicante11
                And who became the owner of Libyan oil - too.

                You wanted to say Gaddafi's oil?
              2. Lyapis
                Lyapis 1 February 2016 17: 04
                -2
                Well, if I'm stupid and naive, so prove your statements. Instead of unfounded sweeping accusations.

                Something did not particularly notice the reasonedness of your statements, so I would have kept silent in your place about the sweeping accusations.
                And the main beneficiaries are the Angles and the Americans :).

                Here, in general, you can bring a large list of participants. And all of them were equally interested in what happened. And of all the goals that they pursued, robbery was in last place. And yes, in order to squeeze 20-30 billion dollars from Gaddafi, of course, it was worth putting together a coalition of two dozen states and waging a war near Europe. The goal is worthy, for a pair of lard evergreen on his brother!
                Yes, not to annoy, but to write off your debt. Think already.

                I’m just thinking, and not talking only with slogans.
                And on the debt account is the same as if you took a loan from a bank, and then went and hanged yourself. Of course, the bank will not see its money and will be very upset, but you will not be in the black.
                Throwing such a fortress, the United States will not write off its debt. They will ruin their economy, bury the reputation of a reliable partner and a leading state, and at the same time they will set the whole world against themselves.
                Both crime and sin.

                That is, I need to run to the savings bank and withdraw all money from the deposit, otherwise they will arrest me or not even let me go to heaven? laughing
                And if you think about it? A hint - currency wars ... I hope they didn’t ban Google, however, Yandex also steers.

                Argument argument. I, too, when I can not say anything intelligible and sensible to send an opponent to Google ...
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 1 February 2016 06: 52
    +2
    It’s time to understand that their public debt is as virtual as the value of the American dollar. And while the whole world uses the dollar, you can spit on public debt of any size.
    And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless. request


    I agree ... this exaggerated pyramid turned out to be stronger than all forecasts ... then something is wrong with the forecasts what
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 February 2016 08: 01
      -2
      Quote: The same Lech
      It’s time to understand that their public debt is as virtual as the value of the American dollar. And while the whole world uses the dollar, you can spit on public debt of any size.
      And accordingly, to monitor the number of zeros in the debt of the Americans is empty and meaningless. request


      I agree ... this exaggerated pyramid turned out to be stronger than all forecasts ... then something is wrong with the forecasts what

      Or maybe the pyramid is not blown?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 34
        +1
        Or maybe the pyramid is not blown?


        And do not care, any pyramid is a scam. About MMM here already mentioned. What is the difference between the dollar and the MMM stock?
  12. sesame
    sesame 1 February 2016 06: 57
    +2
    Someone will plant him, he is a monument.
  13. roman72-452
    roman72-452 1 February 2016 07: 04
    +3
    The problem is that there is no one to ask this debt, they can easily forgive all debts.
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 10: 39
      0
      Quote: roman72-452
      The problem is that there is no one to ask this debt, they can easily forgive all debts.

      We turn on the logic: if there is nobody to ask, then there is nobody to forgive.
  14. samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 February 2016 07: 11
    0
    The United States is strenuously forming a world empire in order to "open up" its debt to new "neophytes" around the world.
  15. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 1 February 2016 07: 33
    0
    what kind of public debt are we talking about ??? they owe to themselves, therefore they will forgive themselves
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 10: 45
      0
      Quote: aybolyt678
      what kind of public debt are we talking about ??? they owe to themselves, therefore they will forgive themselves

      No, not for yourself, but for an organ independent of the government.
  16. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 1 February 2016 07: 35
    +1
    2399, mankind continues to wait for default in the usa!
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 1 February 2016 16: 21
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      2399, mankind continues to wait for default in the usa!

      Well, how is it in the future? Vladimir Vladimirovich is still the president?
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2016 07: 42
    +4
    There was an article on RV that on the NY exchange, physical gold reserves were reduced by 70%.
    So it’s quite possible that quiet glanders physical gold pulled apart in bins.
    But here that the dollar and America will soon end, I will not believe.
    For now America will flood the EU and exist while devouring it.
    There is still a BV, which will also be overwhelmed and devoured.
    I will not say anything about China, because everything is too tightly tied there.
    In short, bucks still make sense to buy.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 39
      +1
      But here that the dollar and America will soon end, I will not believe.


      No one believed in the "end" of the USSR either. Except for those who knew.

      For now America will flood the EU and exist while devouring it.


      And if you choke?

      In short, bucks still make sense to buy.


      It is on these "forecasts" that the ruble falls and the dollar grows. And, unfortunately, there are many like you. And you wonder why he doesn't fall. Do not support, then it will fall.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 1 February 2016 19: 48
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      In short, bucks still make sense to buy.

      When you buy a dollar, you turn green paper into money, so it materializes, thereby you postpone its fall, the most important thing for the USA is the demand for dollars, while it will be printed.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 February 2016 07: 48
    0
    Over the seven years of the reign of US President Barack Obama, the debt of the federal government increased by 8.3154.529.850.339,07 dollars (rounded up 8,315 trillion dollars)

    Well, and how can I disagree with the American racists that black except for cleaning shoes, you can not trust anything. I ask you not to consider me a racist (for those who are not used to reading the entire commentary). Economy - flyby, peace prize - flyby, politics - flyby. All that remains is the "exceptional" nation, the "might" of America, which Obama constantly talks about and in which he no longer believes.
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 08: 17
      +1
      As it turned out, Obama was very trustworthy. He set the plan set for him. I ask you not to consider racist either.
  19. andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 1 February 2016 07: 57
    +1
    "Oil Chemistry" FRS
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 February 2016 08: 04
    +2
    Why was everyone so angry for the USA? She forgives all her debts, so don't worry so much smile
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Why was everyone so angry for the USA? She forgives all her debts, so don't worry so much smile

      What a monstrous generosity.
  21. with
    with 1 February 2016 08: 14
    +7
    The question is to everyone - do you really seriously think that the USA will give something, to someone, someday to give? So that every americos spits out their hard-earned 57000 USD? It is not known why? Why the hell then to him is the NSA, the CIA, NATO? "- So you have five dollars and ten cents left. So what, did you put them into circulation again?"

    - But how! You know the one-legged black man, even in his old landlord Mr. Bredish? Well, he started a bank and said that whoever contributes one dollar will receive another four dollars in a year. All blacks contributed, only they had little money. I have many. So I wanted to get more than four dollars, I told him that if he didn’t give me that much, I would open a bank myself. Well, this Negro, of course, didn’t want me to start a bank either, the two banks have nothing to do with him - he said that if I invest five dollars, he will pay me thirty-five at the end of the year. I invested. I think: now I’ll start up and these thirty-five dollars in circulation, so that the money does not lie in vain. One Negro, his name is Bob, caught a large punt, and his master did not know about it; I bought it and said that I would give him thirty-five dollars at the end of the year; only the punt was stolen that very night, and the next day the one-legged Negro announced to us that the bank had burst. So none of us got the money. "Mark Twain.
  22. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 1 February 2016 08: 15
    +5
    The US debt is certainly abnormal and excessive. Debt is what they did not earn, but consumed, i.e. robbed the whole world, including even their closest ones "partners".

    Naturally, this story cannot end. Something extraordinary will inevitably happen sometime. Either the big war will write everything off, or they will declare a default, or they will carry out some rotten manipulations.

    The whole question is when this will happen. So far, the signs of a change in the situation are extremely weak and contradictory. 18 or 19 or even 30 trillion debt - the value itself does not mean anything; there is no bar that will uniquely determine - that's it, the end.

    So we will all be discussing the eternal theme of US debt for a long time to come. laughing

    A more fertile topic, IMHO, is not a fact and the size of the debt, but the fact that the United States is a world robber robbing and robbing everyone and everything. am
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: Gormengast
      Debt is something that they did not earn, but consumed

      They still produce something: GMOs, which they impose through the World Trade Society on the whole world.
  23. Villon
    Villon 1 February 2016 08: 21
    +1
    Please note that a four-fold increase in US government debt has occurred since the Soviet Union ceased to exist. The countdown has gone.
  24. energy701
    energy701 1 February 2016 08: 25
    0
    For whom the mark is alarming, but for whom not. In the states themselves, they take this quite calmly, no one needs to return money from them, and if they print something else for themselves. So it’s necessary to slowly bring down the dollar, the Chinese have long begun to think about it. Let's dump the dollar, and the Americans’s show off will subside.
    1. Villon
      Villon 1 February 2016 09: 54
      0
      Quote: energy701
      So it’s necessary to slowly bring down the dollar, the Chinese have long begun to think about it. Let's dump the dollar, and the Americans’s show off will subside.

      It doesn't seem like the dollar is falling. And quietly it will not work.
  25. energy701
    energy701 1 February 2016 08: 29
    -1
    The former head of the US Accounts Chamber (Government Accountability Office) said that US real debt is approaching $ 65 trillion, which is almost 3 times higher than the official figure of $ 18 trillion.
    http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/64144
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  27. fif21
    fif21 1 February 2016 08: 57
    +1
    That the US owes many countries is understandable. But why do they even get loans from countries with "underdeveloped" economies? In Russia, only the lazy does not scold the United States, and right there the government happily announces that the US debt obligations have been acquired to replenish foreign exchange reserves. How little have we written off debts to "fraternal" countries? Or maybe the government's financial bloc has "its own interest"? what Or maybe stupid "not professionalism"? Answer: This is how the world economy works for me. And the fact that debtors teach everyone how to live, unleash predatory wars, impose sanctions against creditors, this defies explanation. The EU, Japan are the occupied countries, the oil sheikhs pay for the patronage of the United States, and Russia, China, India, what do they owe the United States and for what? Maybe we pay (give our wallet) because of fear of a bandit who put a knife to the throat of the victim? But how, then, should one interpret Putin's words "If you see that a fight cannot be avoided, beat it first"? what
  28. VP
    VP 1 February 2016 09: 26
    +6
    To understand how it works.
    Only the Fed can issue money in the USA. Since the beginning of the 20th century.
    The Fed is a very interesting office. It has a private form of ownership - through shares it belongs to the oldest and largest Amer banks, but the government has a significant and decisive voice in its management.
    If the United States does not have enough money, then the government either issues and sells bonds or the Treasury asks them to dump the Fed.
    The Fed is good, it is falling asleep. It doesn’t cost him anything, he doesn’t even need to type, just a few keystrokes on the computer and on the treasury accounts from the void the requested amount is formed.
    Theoretically, the Treasury should then return them back. But ...
    Here, in general, and duty.
    Such a hat with dolars from the void cannot work anywhere except in one country. Otherwise, the country gets hyperinflation from constant massive emissions.
    And in the United States, this trick takes place for a number of reasons.
    The most important thing is that the dollar is a universally recognized world currency that everyone uses.
    Hi Bretton Voodoo.
    And the decision of the 70s of OPEC to accept payments for oil only in dollars. This is important - the largest money turnover in the world falls on oil trade. It's just that there is no other product in the world that would be so actively bought by all countries. After this OPEC decision, the dollar "flooded" - everyone needed it in general and in large quantities.
    Hence the other name of the dollar emphasizing its status - oil tank.
    Thus, due to status, this inflation is not obtained domestically but spread throughout the world.
    Therefore, the States, in fact, are not as important as they need this Fed.
    There are other problems there, of course, in addition to the possibility of an inflationary spiral, but the States have fought more or less successfully so far. Now it’s becoming more and more difficult for them to do it, after all, the economy is such a thing that, although with a slowdown, but reacts to various cheating.
    And the QE series is already starting to go around. The Fed, of course, returns a little bit of the loot that was distributed left and right during these QEs and utilizes trying to get these trillions out of circulation that generate giant bubbles in the stock markets, but the pace and scale of the returns are not impressive
  29. Hooks
    Hooks 1 February 2016 09: 32
    0
    If all countries have external (state) debt, then to whom should everyone? Does Earth have a debt to Mars?
  30. Hooks
    Hooks 1 February 2016 09: 35
    0
    Interesting: on Wikipedia, only Brunei, Macau and Palau (from unassociated states) owe nobody
  31. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 1 February 2016 09: 48
    +6
    While the dollar is the main reserve currency, nothing will change. It has long been clear to everyone that the whole world is in one economic system. This system was created by Western economists and they created it for their own well-being (it would be strange to the contrary). The system is qualitatively and uncomplicatedly robbing "Indians" and serving Western capitalism. Who is trying to resist the system - sanctions, bombings, revolutions, civil wars. Gaddafi wanted to trade oil not for dollars? - the end of the story is known. We in the system are "Indians" who sell their "gold" -natural resources for "glass beads" -dollars. And we live according to the constitution and laws that were written to us in 1991 (guess who dictated them to us). Therefore, it is impossible to conduct any business in our country without participating in corruption schemes, therefore the money flows to offshores, so our youth wants to control and lead (to be officials - prosecutors and heads of administrations), and not to work (because it is difficult and unprofitable).
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      Gaddafi did not want to trade oil for dollars? - the end of the story is known

      AND? To enable him to trade NOT for dollars? The same Japan trades for dollars - and feels great!
  32. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 1 February 2016 09: 59
    +1
    It is not sad, but the US hegemon they come up with the rules. And they will print dollar bills even more because the whole world is calculating in dollars.
    And if someone against them they correct him with sanctions or democratic bombing.
  33. surrozh
    surrozh 1 February 2016 10: 20
    0
    Russia also actively wanted to switch to settlements in national currency with China and in Brix - and immediately: sanctions, falling oil prices, etc. How can Kiselev with his "coincidence" not remember. And after all, they are still afraid that we will omit!
    1. VP
      VP 1 February 2016 10: 32
      0
      They wanted to go after the sanctions. Those. first brick and then concussion and not vice versa.
    2. IMHO
      IMHO 1 February 2016 11: 20
      -2
      What is the difference in which currency is calculated, even in tomatoes. Anyway, the recount will be in dollars. The Chinese convert our rubles into dollars and buy goods for them.
      Otherwise, why do they need our rubles?
    3. atalef
      atalef 1 February 2016 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: surozh
      Russia also actively wanted to switch to settlements in the national currency with China

      Check and compare China's trade volumes with Russia and America.
      Quote: surozh
      in brix

      Forget about BRICS - it never worked, but now it’s dead
      Quote: surozh
      , falling oil prices and so on. How can Kiselev with his "coincidence" not remember. And after all, they are still afraid that we will omit!

      Whom?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 1 February 2016 12: 48
        +1
        Check and compare China's trade volumes with Russia and America.


        The volume is not comparable. But the deficit of amers in this trade is very great. And if with all the rest the Chinese will trade not in dollars, then where will they put candy wrappers? At one point, they will either demand to repay debts or transfer trade to yuan. And then the dollar will definitely have a lid.

        Forget about BRICS - it never worked, but now it’s dead


        Rumors of our death are very exaggerated. This is just a PR company. How can you create an organization in which China and Taiwan will be? Especially after the Kuomintang was demolished.
  34. ILIA
    ILIA 1 February 2016 11: 15
    0
    Get rid of creditors and the thing is in the hat))
  35. Villon
    Villon 1 February 2016 11: 21
    -1
    Everything is democratic for them, and their debt is democratic, in the sense that the whole world pays for it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 February 2016 11: 57
      +2
      Quote: Villon
      Everything is democratic for them, and their debt is democratic, in the sense that the whole world pays for it.


      Lannisters always pay debts. !!!
      The US debt has never been left unpaid.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 1 February 2016 20: 02
        0
        Quote: atalef
        The US debt has never been left unpaid.

        Alexander yes, of course, because you can always draw how much you owe.
  36. VP
    VP 1 February 2016 12: 01
    0
    Quote: IMHO
    Anyway, the recount will be in dollars. The Chinese convert our rubles into dollars and buy goods for them.

    It is the yuan that is the main danger to the dollar.
    China has long and quietly brought its currency to the forefront.
    The size of China's economy is comparable to the size of the US economy.
    In the Pacific, he has long since switched to RMB settlements with many countries; now he is trying to expand the sphere of influence of the renminbi. Even loans in his region to other states are allocated only in RMB.
    Two things are enough to overthrow the buck for China
    1. Political influence. It directly depends on military capabilities. And here, China is seriously inferior to the States. Recently, I began to try to compensate for this by tying a closer relationship with us.
    2. That is what the United States covers everyone like a bull sheep - the capacity of the solvent demand market. The USA is the most delicious market, so they can dictate their terms to anyone who wants to have something from this market.
    Therefore, they can roll out multibillion-dollar fines to almost anyone at will, and this "guilty" will pay without blinking, otherwise they will be excommunicated from the American market.
    The US demand market is the second economic American after-dollar gain. It itself has become a commodity and an instrument of political influence.
    But recently, China has declared a course towards "developing domestic consumption." Those. will try to take over the lead.
    It seems like there is a chance that more than a billion faces will be able to meet the demand of more than three hundred million, but so far everything depends on the income of these more than a billion. Solvency, in other words. And the "average check".
    The Chinese still have no normal income. But it does not work out to develop demand through enhanced lending; it turns out through a stump.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 February 2016 12: 11
      0
      ?
      Quote: VP
      It is the yuan that is the main danger to the dollar

      judging by the devaluation of the yuan and the strengthening of the dollar - no
      Quote: VP
      China has long and quietly brought its currency to the forefront

      Joker, the Chinese currency has only been freely convertible since the end of last year
      Quote: VP
      China's economy size comparable to US economy

      No longer
      Quote: VP
      In the Pacific, he has long since switched to RMB settlements with many countries,

      local calculations and nothing more. Penny volumes
      Quote: VP
      Two things are enough to overthrow the buck for China

      Just two?
      Quote: VP
      . Political influence. It directly depends on military capabilities.

      Haha
      Quote: VP
      That is what the United States covers everyone like a bull sheep - the capacity of a solvent demand market. USA

      Can you decrypt a little?
      Quote: VP
      The US demand market is the second economic American after-dollar gain. It itself has become a commodity and an instrument of political influence.

      And in this market what they pay and who pays and where the money comes from.

      Quote: VP
      But recently, China has declared a course towards "developing domestic consumption." Those. will try to take over the lead.

      In what? What will work for the domestic market? and what will prevent US hegemony?
      Quote: VP
      It seems like a chance that more than a billion rye can provide more than three hundred million demand

      Well, here's an example for you, all of Africa is almost the domestic demand of 2 or 3 billion people there, and to whom does it bother?
      Quote: VP
      The Chinese have no normal income. But it does not work out to develop demand through enhanced lending; it turns out through a stump.

      Somehow you contradict yourself.
      1. VP
        VP 1 February 2016 12: 55
        0
        It doesn’t let you pass, swears at a comment that is too long, I will break it into two parts.
        Quote: atalef
        judging by the devaluation of the yuan and the strengthening of the dollar - no

        You are inattentive. I wrote "long ago" and not in the last year and a half when they began to be sausage. And for China this is not so important - the Chinese have a mentality that allows them to think not for the next few years, but for decades.
        Quote: atalef
        Joker, the Chinese currency has only been freely convertible since the end of last year

        It is freely convertible for a long time. Since last year, it has been included in the IMF currency basket. Moreover, her previous non-inclusion was due not to economic factors but political. If even the yen is sticking out in the basket, then the demand for the yuan in the world is much more powerful. But they didn’t turn it on, they blocked it. That did not stop the Chinese from having settlements in yuan with many worlds, even in South America.
        Quote: atalef
        No longer

        Why ? It seems like the Chinese economy has only slowed down the growth rate but has not stopped growing, those growth rates that are considered low for China are still not dreamed of by the States and in wet dreams. on the basis of what did you decide that "no longer"?
        Quote: atalef
        local calculations and nothing more. Penny volumes

        A dozen years ago there weren’t any, and now only Africa is given out twenty billion if in terms of bucks.
        That is precisely why, due to the growing influence of the Chinese economy and its currency, the United States began to run like crazy with their TKIP, turning a blind eye to all its shoals and lack of development.
        Quote: atalef
        Just two?

        You can pick a couple of hundred. But the main ones, yes, two, the rest they have or are solved.
        Quote: atalef
        Haha

        Yeah, hee hee. But the mudflow in the world is just that. You can be rich but without serious military capabilities you will not be taken seriously in other regions of the world, you will not be able to dictate your conditions and defend your interests.
        Quote: atalef
        Can you decrypt a little?

        No problem. If your market is the most delicious and capacious and you regulate the access of others to it, then you affect the economies of any economically developed countries which, when they lose access to it, lose a significant part of their economy.
        For example: Israel will close its market for some country - and the rest will sneeze at it. And the United States will close its market for, for example, Germany - and all to a kitten, many factories will go bankrupt, many banks will start blowing bubbles. The USA is a premium market that provides large volumes of sales for any product, weaning from it is extremely painful.
      2. VP
        VP 1 February 2016 12: 56
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And in this market what they pay and who pays and where the money comes from.

        They pay with loyalty, pay with dependence, and pay with compliance in many economic matters. Do you think that, for example, Swiss banks have nothing to do to give up their main trick - a guarded secret of bank deposits or something? They just didn’t like the alternative much more.
        Quote: atalef
        In what? What will work for the domestic market? and what will prevent US hegemony?

        The fact that the capacious and attractive to others the domestic market allows you to dictate many conditions.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, here's an example for you, all of Africa is almost the domestic demand of 2 or 3 billion people there, and to whom does it bother?

        Solvency of demand of these 2 or 3 billion. I wrote about this about China - it currently lacks the solvency of the population. And that is why they are now headed for its development. In a couple of decades, they can change a lot there - China never hurries anywhere and does not fuss.
        Quote: atalef
        Somehow you contradict yourself.

        In what? The fact that they took a course but have not yet achieved this or what?
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          1. VP
            VP 1 February 2016 13: 22
            +1
            You left the topic on blah blah, on "who lives better", you asked the wrong question and the answer was also not about that.
            Of all your last post, only the remark about "the yuan buries the dollar" is relevant.
            But I didn’t write it. I wrote that so far only he can do it.
            Not right now, but already in the long term capable, catch the difference?
            It will be difficult to say whether it will come out or not. But they are working on it.
            Once again I will write - the Chinese have a mentality that allows them to move toward the goal for a long and hard time where Europeans simply do not have enough patience. Other planning horizons.
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 1 February 2016 20: 21
        0
        Quote: atalef
        judging by the devaluation of the yuan and the strengthening of the dollar - no

        A stronger dollar is not good for American industry.
        Quote: atalef
        local calculations and nothing more. Penny volumes

        Here the matter is in a debugged system and not in volumes, volumes can grow very quickly.
        Quote: atalef
        In what? What will work for the domestic market?

        China has long been not only the domestic market.
        Quote: atalef
        No longer

        Since when? Ever since GDP growth fell from 8% to 6%? While in the US, GDP growth is 2,5%.
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 February 2016 20: 52
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Strengthening the dollar for American industry is not good

          and for investment?
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Here the matter is in a debugged system and not in volumes, volumes can grow very quickly.

          To do this, there must be something to sell and buy, as well as the availability of money
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          China has long been not only the domestic market.

          China is not primarily a domestic market
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Since when? Ever since GDP growth fell from 8% to 6%? At a time when the US GDP growth is 2,5%

          China is a developing country, and for it, 6% = this is a stomp on the spot, but none is already a pullback.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 1 February 2016 21: 47
            0
            Quote: atalef
            China is a developing country, and for it, 6% = this is a stomp on the spot, but none is already a pullback.

            Ohhhh, here it is .... For the second economy of the world, 6% growth is trampling on the spot? Who told you this? Who is this great economist?
            The low base effect for China has not been working for 10 years, 6% is twice as much as the global GDP growth. What a rollback, what is a stomp in place, what are you talking about?
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    3. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 15: 10
      0
      Quote: VP
      The size of China's economy is comparable to the size of the US economy.

      De facto, China does not have an independent economy at all, in the modern globalized world no one has an independent economy at all, everyone depends on the "dollar" because foreign trade is impossible without it.
      Quote: VP
      but so far, everything depends on the income of these more than a billion.

      Cool. Take, for example, "processors" - China does not make its own processors, only a couple of corporations make them in a globalized world, like many other components - and the final brands that sell finished goods to the population are essentially just a "screwdriver assembly" for the most part. Total RRAAAZ and we ran into one more "reason" fellow
      1. VP
        VP 1 February 2016 16: 49
        0
        I do not understand the essence of your objections.
        How is the integration of economies and the size of the economy of a particular country connected, why does this interfere with judging the size?
        Globalization does not prevent to determine that the German economy is larger than the economy of Romania and the economy of Iran (even sitting under sanctions) is larger than the economy of Ukraine.
        And what does the processors have to do with the yuan's prospects? Moreover, processors are even produced in China, for example, AMD produces them there. Yes, and purely Chinese (for government and military institutions and enterprises) they too foolishly spank nonsense - 6 cores, 1,5 GHz, 32 micron technology, 8M third-level cache, it’s not a super masterpiece yet, but it’s nothing at all, the alga will fill their hand harder. And even more so, global electronics is very dependent on rare earths in China.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 1 February 2016 17: 28
          0
          Quote: VP
          Moreover, processors are even produced in China, for example, AMD produces them there.

          AMD does not manufacture processors at all. They are produced by TSMC (Taiwan) and GlobalFoundries (USA).
          Google what the OEM and ODM contract are.
          Quote: VP
          they, too, are slapping dope - 6 cores, 1,5 GHz, 32 micron technology, 8M third-level cache

          Google what the OEM and ODM contract are. They themselves do NOT produce ANYTHING if they fully understand the production chain.
          Quote: VP
          And even more so, global electronics is very dependent on rare earths in China.

          Yes. But China is no less dependent on foreign trade. request
          Quote: VP
          How is the integration of economies and the size of the economy of a particular country connected, why does this interfere with judging the size?

          I'm not talking about production volumes, I'm talking about the end user of production - do not confuse warm with soft.
  37. iouris
    iouris 1 February 2016 13: 25
    0
    US debt is virtual. The United States distributes its budget deficits around the world, in the form of budget deficits of other states.
  38. fa2998
    fa2998 1 February 2016 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Blondy
    And why the heck a question mark in the title?

    But because this is not a statement. The question can stand for a very long time! The United States can safely print money, and inflate the non-cash mass. For these "green candy wrappers" they gladly give 70-80-90 rubles, and so on all over the world- give oil, raw materials and mn.drugoe.Skazayte those who constantly "bury the United States" - if you instead of rubles will give out the same number of "candy wrappers" - I'm sure 100% will agree, and forget about the "funeral". laughing hi
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 February 2016 20: 57
      0
      The US government takes money from the Fed. The Fed is a private organization. The government still pays the Fed for printing dollars. So who does the United States owe?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 1 February 2016 20: 59
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      -if you are given the same number of "candy wrappers" instead of rubles, I am sure 100% will agree, and they will forget about the "funeral"

      And if such fellow Hardly anyone saw these!
      One hundred thousand US dollars - depicts the President of the United States - Woodrow Wilson. The banknote has never been in free circulation; it is made for internal calculations of the Federal Reserve System of the United States of America (US Federal Reserve).
  39. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 1 February 2016 14: 08
    0
    Earlier, experts expressed the view that the US will face a debt catastrophe in the Greek scenario.
    It is unlikely! They will print more papers, and the whole world will pay as always. I hope there is no naive?
    1. VP
      VP 1 February 2016 17: 05
      0
      Not quite so, it is already difficult for them to print endlessly.
      If in the 60s every printed buck thrown into the economy increased its cents by more than 40, now now it’s just 6-7, I don’t remember the exact numbers.
      The rest, as a result, go partly to inflate financial bubbles, partly go to foreign economies working to develop them.
      Those. this trick is building up imbalances in the US economy, creating problems for it.
      Now, most likely, the USA and the whole world should soon cover the consequences of those QEs that the States have released into the world since 2008 - superbubbles are inflated, it will not seem to anyone.
      Printed bucks are air. And the air always comes out. The more EGL you pump, the more it claps. And you won’t be able to lower it slowly if you continue to print.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 1 February 2016 17: 25
        +1
        Real enterprises are being bought up into this air ... to ruin and cut them.
  40. geo185
    geo185 1 February 2016 16: 59
    -1
    I have 2 questions 1 we will all die. 2 omerica pisda
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 1 February 2016 18: 35
      0
      Quote: geo185
      I have 2 questions 1 we will all die. 2 omerica pisda

      These are not questions. These are statements.
  41. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 1 February 2016 17: 00
    0
    Peremoga !!! From which country does Russia redeem debt obligations, by chance not the USA ??? negative
  42. Strashila
    Strashila 1 February 2016 17: 24
    +1
    She has been in this pit since 1974.
  43. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 1 February 2016 18: 16
    0
    In fact, the United States specifically makes its public debt huge so that everyone does not give up the dollar. After all, if you look, then she borrowed mainly from large competitors (China, for example)
  44. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 1 February 2016 18: 39
    0
    The number of transistors on a chip doubles every year, and the US public debt doubles with each new president ...
  45. Budilnik
    Budilnik 1 February 2016 18: 42
    0
    We should expect a big war when such a situation in America. It was not possible to reduce the war between Ukraine and Russia, let's try Turkey with Russia. Be vigilant! - taught our ancestors. The task of the Russian liberals is to distract, dissolve the attention of the Russian man from the impending aggression of America, indirectly by proxy, against Russia.
  46. serverny
    serverny 1 February 2016 19: 22
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    $ 830 is stressful, of course, but it will not ruin.

    Oh, you know, in reality, according to recent studies, most Americans can not afford to spend $ 500 even once a year.
    Source - http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-americans-with-no-emergency-savings-01
    08-biz-20160107-story.html

    And in reality, in such cases, the majority simply gets into loans even more if their credit history allows.
  47. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 February 2016 19: 58
    0
    States will never be the losers. In extreme cases, the rules will be changed. Leaving their rules in our own country and playing their game with them, we will always be the loser.
  48. Crown
    Crown 2 February 2016 19: 49
    -1
    I recommend hanging it on my wall, it has a beneficial effect on the psyche.