Turkey in 2017 g may launch a new Altay tanks in the series

Turkish company Otokar, which previously presented a prototype of the main tank 3rd generation Altay, said it had submitted an application to the government for mass production of these machines, reports Look with reference to the resource Defense New.

"Turkish officials say that a number of allied countries have shown interest in new Turkish tanks, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other countries of the Persian Gulf," the newspaper notes.

According to the resource, “when developing the vehicle, the experience of creating the South Korean tank K-2“ Black Panther ”was used”. Experts say that the Turks turned out to be a simplified version of the Korean tank, for example, the loading remained manual.

“The gun is installed on the Altay, which is analogous to the German 120-mm L-55. Barrel length - 55 calibers. Also installed machine guns calibers 7,62 and 12,7. Maximum speed - 70 km / h, power reserve - 500 km. Weight can range from 55 to 65 tons (there are no exact figures yet), ”the publication says.

The car is named in honor of the Turkish general Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who fought in the 20-ies of the last century for the independence of Turkey.

Comments

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Oh well. Tankers, you know ...

[Haettenschweiler]

- Explicit tracing of Leopard, which was tracing of Abrams.

[JACTUS RECTUS]

And not vice versa???
Mattresses have used and are still using German experience, and a leopard is better than an abrams.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: JACTUS RECTUS

And not vice versa???
Mattresses have used and are still using German experience, and a leopard is better than an abrams.

- In my opinion, chronologically, first, in the 80s, "Abrams" appeared, then - "Leopard" ... superficially very similar. And this Turkish monster, although it is written that the "panther" is taken as the basis, looks more like a "leopard" than it. And the gun is taken as a basis for the German one.

[Kars]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

first, in the 80s, "Abrams" appeared, then - "Leopard" ...

First came the joint project of MVT-70
And then Abrams and Leopard have almost nothing in common except the gun. And then she went only to M1A1


According to Atai, the cannon is clearly shorter in the photo, if there is no AZ, then there is nothing special in it. And vryatli he reaches out to the Leopard 2A6 but his own.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Kars

Loading industry, maybe someone else vtyuhut.

There is no longer even a load, but at least the replacement of old American tanks, which Turkey has a lot of. And what will be the tank, it will be possible to judge after a full release and possible military use.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Yeraz

what will be the tank, it will be possible to judge after a full release and possible combat use.

Exactly!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Cherdak

Exactly!

I have seen that.
I meant its full operation in the army, especially in combat conditions.
And I really like the tank.

[RUSS]

Quote: Yeraz

And I really like the tank.

No wonder knowing your nationality.

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

No wonder knowing your nationality.

Believe me not because of this.
I like German Leo the most, then comes the T-90. And Altai is very similar to Leo and more beautiful than its Korean counterpart.

[Ivan_ich]

Experts say that the Turks turned out to be a simplified version of the Korean tank, for example, loading remained manual.

..that's a damn pity, the Turks will have to subscribe to "scientists" of blacks from America. You can't trample against NATO standards ...)))

[remy]

the gun is not stabilized. flies with the tank. shorter than crap. stupidly iron without brains.

[vvp2412]

If this is a tank test, then my VAZ 2107 is the same tank! Only less!

[Denisey]

Pose 3:15 you can clearly see how the suspension of our tank works, the differences are obvious.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Kars

In Atai

Can visual material help?

[svp67]

Quote: Cherdak

Can visual material help?

[Furious bambr]

And even earlier the RPG-29 "Vampire" appeared. No, sbrihal later. But still he is

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

And then Abrams and Leopard have almost nothing in common except the gun. And then she went only to M1A1

Well, here you can argue ...
Their internal layout is unified, not to mention the applicable standards in ammunition and internal equipment.

[sabakina]

This is not the first time I have seen and forgot to ask everything. Why do they have such "interesting" lugs on the tracks, on the Abrams, on the Altai? What would not scratch the asphalt?

[Primus pilus]

Quote: sabakina

This is not the first time I have seen and forgot to ask everything. Why do they have such "interesting" lugs on the tracks, on the Abrams, on the Altai? What would not scratch the asphalt?

You could say that, in general, these are rubber cushions of trucks.

[mvg]

Kars, you are truly an expert on armored vehicles. But, I think, if they did MBT-70 together, then the achievements were not wasted .. Yes, there is a difference in the diesel engine and turbine, in the caliber of the gun (105 and 120 initially, although now the license is rheinmetal), the LMS is excellent (in the sense of different) . But there is a similarity ... the chassis, the case is almost the same .. I think the auxiliary units .. (they wanted to achieve 70% compatibility).
I agree that Altai, most likely L44, is unlikely to reach Merkava-4, and Leo-2A6 or M1A2SEP .. But quite assuming that it is comparable in terms of money with T80BV (Pakistan) and T90A (India). And it will be a Middle East competitor to China with the Type-96A and any export 2000 and 3000 .. and the Russian T-90S, both in terms of money and TTX.

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

According to Atai - the gun is clearly shorter in the photo

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

Loading industry, maybe someone else vtyuhut.

Yes, yes. HIGH technology.

[Primus pilus]

Initially, Germany and the United States created a single tank, but then the paths diverged and the Americans got the Abrams and the Germans got the Leopard 2

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Primus Pilus - actually, before the leopard2, the Germans were armed with leopard1.

[Primus pilus]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

Primus Pilus - actually, before the leopard2, the Germans were armed with leopard1.

And before the Abrams, the USA was aware of the M-60. However, the Americans and the Germans wanted to create a common tank, and it was from this project that the Abrams and Leopard 2 appeared.

[Hon]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

In my opinion, chronologically, first, in the 80s, "Abrams" appeared, then - "Leopard" ... outwardly very similar. And this Turkish monster, although it is written that the "panther" is taken as the basis, looks more like a "leopard" than it. And the gun is taken as a basis for the German one.

At first it was a joint development, then each went his own way

[Alex1313]

And then the external similarity? The main stuffing

In general, when competing for armor and shell, the shell is always one step ahead

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- In my opinion, chronologically, first, in the 80s, "Abrams" appeared, then - "Leopard" ... superficially very similar. And this Turkish monster, although it is written that the "panther" is taken as the basis, looks more like a "leopard" than it. And the gun is taken as a basis for the German one.

Colleague, the gun on the Black Panther is also a modernization of the German Rheinmetall.

[Turner38]

It’s good that German fluff - migrants will build them ...

[Maksus]

You probably meant Leopard 2. For Leopard was born in 60x. Initially, MBT-70 was developed, which smoothly turned into Leo and Abrams, which are very different, despite the general squareness.

[vvp2412]

The German cannon is on both the Koreans and the Americans on the abrashas! No wonder. The production of guns is a delicate matter!

[Armored optimist]

The Korean case, the transmission from there, the German engine and gun, the Russian active protection system. But the tank is Turkish. Familiar Turks are already choking with delight - the Turks made the BEST TANK IN THE WORLD !!! Neither more nor less.

[remy]

whatever one may say, Turkey does not have its own school of tank building and developments in the technologies of composites, ceramics, explosives for remote sensing, etc.
respectively, the Altai tank -IN BOARD CARTON
our T-90AM even without DZ on board (equivalent to 540 mm) holds the ATGM Fagot (penetration of 400 mm) at an angle of 90 degrees normal

[The black]

You are not mistaken.... "According to the Turkish side, Altay borrowed 60% of the technology used in the K2. In the future, Altay will have to replace the German Leopard 1, Leopard 2, and the American M48 and M60 used today."

[Boos]

It looks like Leclerc.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

Explicit tracing of Leopard, which was tracing of Abrams

There are those who disagree

[Yeraz]

Quote: Cherdak

There are those who disagree

Excellent video characteristics. SPS. Not stumbled upon such a video.

[mvg]

I'm not local, I'm sorry. Is there snow in Turkey? Or tested on Hohland?

[Your friend]

Quote: mvg

I'm not local, I'm sorry. Is there snow in Turkey? Or tested on Hohland?

Yes, they even have ski resorts.)

[svp67]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

Explicit tracing paper from "Leopard"

How else, if he was "dad"

and "Black Panther" is the mother of this project

[Vitaly Anisimov]

in the new Turkish tanks showed a number of allied countries, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia

They will give money inadvertently ... (Israel has forgotten yet) These are the main players in destabilization in the BV and confrontation with Russia (it didn’t work out with the Caucasus, Russia entered the Middle East ..))) Damn it tricks ... We have a bolt for every one!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: MIKHAN

Israel forgot yet

I do not think that the Jews will abandon Merkava in favor of this van der wafer.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: MIKHAN

Israel forgot yet

I do not think that the Jews will abandon Merkava in favor of this van der wafer.

You are not in the subject ... Then give money and incite! "Merkavas" will be intact, everything is simple and much cheaper ... (drive the devils towards Turkey with the help of Russia) And then Turkey will go to Russia ... And just finish off for their backs! Great plan ... And the main thing is IRAN!

[Uran]

Well, everything is copied. like a chinese cake

[PSih2097]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

Oh well. Tankers, you know ...

rip off their loot for the name "Altai" (tm) (c)

[Juborg]

For this, money and orders are needed, and the Saudis offer everyone the same amount of 10 billion, but it doesn’t go beyond words. The tank is much worse than Korean, but at the same price.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

The Turks have already determined that the Negro-rocker will be charging !!!

[Oleg Lavrov]

Hmm ... probably it would be better to burn ... in hell ... along with Erdogan !!

[A-Sim]

They seek hegemony in BV.

[Lanista]

He is not very similar to Leopard. Is that the shape of the case.
But on his cousin - AMX-56 Leclerc - very similar. Only the commander’s panoramic device on the other hand.

[WUA 518]

K2 - Korean tank Black Panther

[Siberia 9444]

Well done, not only cars can do

[JACTUS RECTUS]

Would you be Korea, America nervously smokes around the corner, although with our money everything is very expensive.

[Muvka]

What a big target. It’s hard to miss ...

[yehat]

you have to pay for everything: in the European landscape, the same leopards will break K2 with an approximate score of 7: 3
although in the mountains ... Altai, Chinese models such as VK3000, the Japanese last tank, etc. just resting

[The black]

I wonder what year their delivery is planned?

[AdekvatNICK]

this is if they have money from the illegal sale of Syrian oil. And as usual, fuel trucks now burn quite well.

[Primus pilus]

Manual loading is already archaism.

[iConst]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Manual loading is already archaism.

A little more and the crew in the tank will become archaism.

[Primus pilus]

Quote: iConst

Quote: Primus Pilus

Manual loading is already archaism.

A little more and the crew in the tank will become archaism.

Probably.

[Boos]

Nothing, America will help blacks.)))

[Hon]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Manual loading is already archaism.

Nevertheless, many are in no hurry to apply AZ

[Pamir48]

At the first stage of the project, it is planned to build and test four prototypes, the first of which is to begin testing in 2015. After testing, it is expected to receive an order for serial production of the first batch in the amount of 250 units. According to Recep Erdogan, Turkish Prime Minister, Otokar is ahead of the schedule for the creation of the tank by two years and tank testing will begin in 2013. from Wikipedia. postponed for another 4 years. damned bureaucrats.

[Barakuda]

You can joke to the fullest over the Turks and Erdahanushka. But the Turks are catching up and developing, at least for now, alarming.

[kil 31]

Quote: Barracuda

You can joke to the fullest over the Turks and Erdahanushka. But the Turks are catching up and developing, at least for now, alarming.

Well, why not joke. We are also joking over ourselves. In vain it is alarming that we are already doing a new generation.

According to listeners of the Russian News Service, the Armata tank became the car of 2015. During the online voting, which took place on the website of the radio station during the day, almost 40% of the voters voted for this answer option.

In second place was Lada Vesta with almost 27% of the vote.

[Barakuda]

It is not bad in Istanbul and "Tavria-nova" Zaporozhets drives like a taxi. Although the "coffin" is still the same, such as specialists from "Porsche" took part in the development, UBOGIE.

[shans2]

Outstripped Ukraine in development, no doubt here)

[Siberia 9444]

Guns Altai Altai tanks that there are no other names and also a copy of Benelli, like a tank

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Siberia 9444

also a copy of benelli

There is a lot of benek, but not everything. But the Turkish StoegerSilah SanayiA is wholly owned by Beretta, and often makes some nodes for the native company.

[Siberia 9444]

I agree with you. For the production of trunks used high-quality Italian steel grade 4140. Accuracy is good and made very well.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Siberia 9444

For the production of trunks used high-quality Italian steel grade 4140. Accuracy is good and made very well.

You are right, the Turks have gone very well right now, but I took our last MP-155 patriotically. I’m not overjoyed.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Siberia 9444

Guns Altai tanks Altai that there are no other names

It’s just that Altai is of key importance among the Türks. There are many such names and Altai is considered the birthplace of the Türks. And the sacred mountain Ergenekon is also located in Altai.

[vex]

This is one of the boundaries of the Turks' claims. In their dreams, Yakutia, the Volga region, Gagauzia, Crimea, the Balkans (all), Greece (all), Syria, Iraq, part of Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Egypt, North. Africa. But the best place for them is the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea, for all the evil, murder and regression that they have brought over the millennium of their stay in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Therefore, it is more correct to call the tank "Sea Bottom".

[KG_patriot_last]

Let them stand in line for the Kyrgyz.

[Yeraz]

Quote: KG_patriot_last

Let them stand in line for the Kyrgyz.

They forgot in Azerbaijanis))) My cousin Uncle Altai is called. He will not like it)))

[RUSS]

Quote: vex

This is one of the borders of the claims of the Turks. In their dreams, there are still Yakutia, the Volga region, Gagauzia, Crimea, the Balkans (all), Greece (all), Syria, Iraq, part of Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Egypt, North. Africa.

The resettlement of the Turks

[Fidel]

By the way shitty copy))

[Mavrikiy]

Yes to hell with him, tracing paper, from "lepard" or from "panther". The main thing is not to rush, think, consult ... Society should receive a full-fledged product. As I understand it. Let them take an example from amers, 2 lard and 2 years for revision.
I think we have time ...

[Mountain shooter]

So far the Turks could only copy. They copied the "Korean", but a copy without understanding is always worse than the original. And from the application for production to production - like barefoot to China ... let's shoot - we find out what kind of bird.

[dchegrinec]

Something with the tanks of the Turks is not very good.

[kil 31]

Quote: dchegrinec

Something with the tanks of the Turks is not very good.

They just have no extra money. And there are plenty of M60s and LEOPARDs, and they are in no hurry, as long as there is enough in the import troops.

[hartlend]

Manual loading is cool, like a leopard.

[Dam]

Any machine made by a country without a school of design and production will still show itself. Children’s diseases will have to be treated for another 10 years

[Jager]

ANY complex engineering system, of which the tank is, inevitably has its own design flaws or features. T-90 is also far from ideal.
Following the example of diesel locomotives. 2TE116 40 years "finished" and so still "saw" - there is no limit to perfection)

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

The viewing mirrors are small, it was necessary to immediately put a dressing table! And the optics on the Zeiss tower nervously smokes around the corner! The car is a beast-wrecked demon !!!

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

The Turks-machine didn’t think of hanging chains like on a merkava, and the tower had to be made in the shape of a turban!

[BOB044]

A new target for testing our weapons.

[Fidel]

It was morning or autumn, maybe tomorrow or after ...))
Maybe 55 tons, and maybe 65 ... And xxx ... knows him.
So write - there is NO Tank. Which will turn out UNKNOWN.
Or it may not work at all.
Or maybe not a tank.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Fidel

So write - there is NO Tank. Which will turn out UNKNOWN.

There is a tank. I went through all the tests. It's just that serial production has not yet begun.

[rustemkm]

Manual loading! Maybe a pedal drive ?!
While they will start production we already have Armata - 90 will be, so turkash, you and your tank are late !!!!

[yehat]

what nonsense? I respect South Koreans - they have engineers at a very high level now
highland tank is very serious
in other words, when Kim Jong-un’s neighbor has a thermonuclear bomb, it’s very motivating

[Primus pilus]

And how many Turkish in this Turkish tank?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Primus Pilus

And how many Turkish in this Turkish tank?

This tank embodies hatred of Russia and Syria! It will be overlaid with bundles of dollars, euros and shekels and the defense will be powerful ... The main thing is forward to Damascus! Crusade to Russia ... (you can cons
to send and send, but everything goes to this)

[Arbogast]

Quote: MIKHAN

The main thing forward to Damascus! Crusade to Russia ...

I apologize wildly "My General", but where in Russia is Damascus .. ?!

[alpamys]

beautiful tank

[Stauffenberg]

I can’t remember where Leopard fought. Where is Altai?

[Wolka]

and where did I put my RPG-7, I'll go rummage in the attic ...

[ISSIDOR]

Leopard fought in Afghanistan.

[Stauffenberg]

Well, where did he fight there. Traveled along dusty paths and on mines was blown up.

[Velizariy]

Quote: Volka

and where did I put my RPG-7, I'll go rummage in the attic ...

Look, people in civilian clothes will come according to your post and rummage not only in the attic)

[Zaurbek]

For shooting T-72/62/54, Type-62, etc. Iran, Syria, Iraq without damage to their tanks is quite suitable. I hope the Turks will climb to Israel. And in combination with the T-129 "Mongoose" formidable force is obtained. Previously, Syria and Iraq were a counterweight to Turkey, now the Turks will unrequitedly shoot the armored vehicles of their neighbors. Whatever one may say, Turks are economically stronger than their neighbors and can afford such equipment. We can only encounter them in Armenia. And Altai will be the main competitor of the T-90 MS in foreign markets, just like Leopard ...

[Zaurbek]

The main question of Altai: where to get a new engine?