About the killed industry on open spaces of the former USSR. Which way should Russia go?

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Recently, materials and comments began to appear in the press and on the Internet that, through the economic crisis, Russia will not be able to step over investments in the real sector of the economy with support for production, but “maintaining the balance of payments based on sound exchange and banking policies,” and Western experience. They say, why invest in their own production sphere, when there is India and China, where the level of industrial production will provide products and Russia including ... They say that Russian products are still not able to compete with foreign ones, because "their hands are not growing from there "...

About the killed industry on open spaces of the former USSR. Which way should Russia go?


It is alarming that some leading economic experts follow the same logic, who are ready to follow the line in the image and likeness of 90, which is based on purely speculative processes, including the next turns of the privatization mechanism.

When they say that it is necessary to take as a basis the experience of countries that have moved to the liberal economic model or have chosen such a path, the question arises: what kind of experience is it? Since, for obvious reasons, the question is being asked into the void, it is worthwhile to try to independently search for the “advanced liberal economic experience” that Russia is being offered again to focus on.

In this regard, it will be fair if the assessment of "best practices" is based on the "leaders" of the post-Soviet space. They seem to be closer, and in general, the starting line for the former Soviet republics was in many ways similar. This is mainly about crazy "joy" about the fact that "long-awaited freedom and democracy came to us ..."

One of the economic "foremost" of the post-Soviet space - of course, Moldova. Well, how else ... Judge for yourself: the country is so "succeeded" that it was already almost-associated with the European Union. Citizens of Moldova possessing biometric passports have the opportunity to enter the EU countries without a visa. As they would say in Ukraine: Peremoga is complete. And what, actually, with the economy and specifically with the production? And here "peremoga" and completely unconditional ...

Referring to statistical data, it is necessary to touch on the issue of the volume of industrial production in Moldova during the Soviet era and compare it with today. So, in 1989, the share of industrial production in the economy of Moldova was 37% (this is 9-place among all the Soviet republics). And this, by the way, is higher than the world average of the same year by 4%. Of these Moldavian industrial percents, 34% is the food industry, 23% is the light industry, 21% is engineering, and about 7% is the pulp and paper industry. In the Soviet years, plants for the production of building materials, enterprises of the metallurgical complex, and chemical plants operated in Moldova. Today, the term “Moldovan industry” has turned into a kind of an oxymoron - a combination of the same category as “white black” or “interest-free credit” ...

In 2011, the share of industrial production in the economy of Moldova decreased to 17,6%. 24% of the population has been officially declared by citizens living below the poverty line. In 2015, the level of Moldovan production - according to all the canons of a liberal economy and against the background of an irrepressible desire for European integration - was further reduced by 5% (and this is only according to official data), the growth in the number of poor accelerated. The fall in incomes in the agricultural sector, which for Moldova has always been the main economic engine, has exceeded 4% in the last 30 of the year! The main stage of the fall is associated with restrictive measures of Russia. Pro-European and frankly pro-Romanian politicians declared that "soon the EU market will open for Moldovan products." The market “opened up” in such a way that European quotas did not even make up a tenth of what Moldovan farmers had previously sold to Russia.

At the same time, Europe actually announced that nobody really needed Moldovan industrial goods in the EU, and allocated money to close several large-scale industries at the same time while investing in “other sectors of the economy”. Moldovan authorities have found an alternative to “other sectors” in the form of their own pockets. Credit funds were simply taken away ... Industrial facilities were closed, but they did this without providing staff with new jobs.

One example is JSC Moldkarton. The factory, built in 1989, at one time supplied the republic (and not only its one) with high-quality cardboard for packaging products. Provided, however, not for long. In fact, the full-fledged work of a cardboard factory can be called years before the collapse of the USSR. As soon as the Country of Soviets ceased to exist, they ordered to live for a long time and ties with suppliers of raw materials, as well as ties with sales markets. The production capacity was loaded with no more than 25-30%. By the middle of 90-x it turned out that it is not economically viable to maintain the enterprise, it is a non-payer for the electricity supplied, and in general ... who needs that cardboard (the authorities of the country did something like this)? ..

Not without the help of Russia at the beginning of 2000's, "Moldkarton" still loaded with work, and the plant felt a surge of strength. Russia, Georgia, Poland began to buy its products. However, later, new problems - now revealed corruption schemes, now intercourse with offshore companies, then new claims from the Moldovan authorities. “To the heap”, environmentalists announced that the company also pollutes the air of Moldovan freedom ...
The company was bankrupted, closed down, everything was taken out of its workshops, the workshops themselves were crushed, having handed over the discovered metal to the nearest reception centers. And after all, this can be considered a victory for European integration, the highest achievement of the liberal economy, which the European "partners" advertised to the Moldovans.
The neighboring Ukraine is also following the path of the “great economic peremoga”. On the eve of the head of the Ministry of Finance "Square" Natalia Yaresko announced that one of the ways Ukraine’s success is to get into the IMF lending program. At the same time, Yaresko noted: it is not necessary to get acquainted with the program, they say, if it got into it, then this is already a step towards economic prosperity.

Against the background of the statements of Ms. Yaresko, the Ukrainian aircraft concern Antonov, founded in 1946, ceased to exist. Ukrainian economists have decided that "Antonov" should be covered up, transferring it to the bosom of "Ukroboronprom". Attention is drawn to the fact that Antonov is one of the few industrial enterprises of the Independent Square that reported on revenue growth at 2015. Apparently, certain representatives of the Maidan authorities decided to “control” the growth of income, and for this it was necessary to arrange a nimble game session with the question “guess what kind of“ Antonov ”thimble and its revenues?”



Industrial statistics of Ukraine for 1989 year. The indicator is more than impressive - the share of industry in the economy of the USSR exceeded 45%. In 2013, this figure was already 29,6%. In the 2015 year, if you believe the materials published by the site TC "112 Ukraine" fell by 23,5% in relation to the 2013 year. Auto production alone collapsed almost 71,3%.

Ukrainian politicians, like Moldavian, also announced: nothing terrible, the Euro-Association will help us! But, firstly, there is still no full-fledged economic Euro-association (the Dutch still think ...), and, secondly, the emergence of a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU, again as in Moldova, led to the appearance of ridiculous quotas. Euroquats for the same agricultural products from Ukraine make up on an annualized basis not more than half of what Ukraine supplied to Russia for the quarter.

If we take into account the half-killed industry of Donbass, then Ukraine is following the “right” liberal-economic way. And there are quite a few such examples in the post-Soviet space alone (including, for example, the Baltic countries).

It cannot be said that in this respect everything is perfect in Russia. But the question here is this: it turns out that those who give advice on the “liberalization” and “Europeanization” of the country's economy are ready to draw from this economy a Ukrainian-Moldovan analogy with all the consequences for industrial production and growth? ..
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  1. +61
    29 January 2016 06: 21
    It’s sad to see all this. And it’s even sadder to survive this process of destroying everything and everyone. But the cup of the defeat of industry did not pass us either. In a recent broadcast, very high-ranking officials said that only last year we opened 20 production, although we invested money in 600. I'm not even talking about the defeat of the vocational education system, which in the USSR proved its worth. So we have something to think about. True, Medvedev’s speech at the congress of the Moscow elite from United Russia testifies that we don’t have much to think about ... As, however, be responsible for our decisions and actions
    1. +9
      29 January 2016 07: 40
      Quote: smel
      True, Medvedev’s speech at the congress of the Moscow elite from United Russia testifies that we don’t have much to think about ... As, however, be responsible for our decisions and actions

      I’m not sure that there is nobody to think, they’re just not thinking about what they should be talking about. Does anyone else doubt that if this criminal shobla remains in power for a long time, something will remain from Russia and the Russians? But they will be denied responsibility, as hell from incense.
      1. +14
        29 January 2016 08: 25
        if this criminal shobla stays in power for a long time, will there be something left from Russia and the Russians? But they will be denied responsibility, as hell from incense.

        In my opinion, the problem is global! It consists in the education and liberal views of government managers. The focus is on quick profit, INSTANT return on invested money, etc. !!! Nobody even thinks about strategic, but risky investments! Although, again, in my opinion, it is necessary to invest in production and infrastructure projects! Some of them will burn out, and some, on the contrary, will give good returns, but not immediately, maybe not even during our lifetime! BUT this is a strategic investment!

        All of the above, solely my personal opinion.
        1. FID
          +17
          29 January 2016 08: 36
          Quote: olegfbi

          In my opinion, the problem is global! It consists in the education and liberal views of government managers. The focus is on quick profit, INSTANT return on invested money, etc. !!!

          Moreover, the government managers themselves .... That's the whole point !!!!
          1. -1
            29 January 2016 11: 19
            It cannot be said that Russia is perfect in this regard.

            The joker, however
    2. +4
      29 January 2016 09: 07
      Why is there no one to think - is there, only about one’s own pocket and to steal as much as possible from one’s own state and people!
    3. +2
      29 January 2016 12: 16
      Quote: smel
      And it’s even sadder to survive this process of destroying everything and everyone. But the cup of the defeat of industry did not pass us either. In a recent broadcast, very high-ranking officials said that in the last year alone we opened 20 industries, although we invested in 600. I’m not even talking about the defeat of the vocational education system, which in the USSR proved its worth. So we have something to think about. True, Medvedev’s speech at the congress of the Moscow elite from United Russia testifies that we don’t have much to think about ... As, however, be responsible for our decisions and actions


      Do not forget, do not forgive!
    4. -2
      29 January 2016 15: 21
      If tank armies are being recreated ... that means. The industry is capable of ... providing ..
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    6. +1
      30 January 2016 00: 13
      In this regard, it will be fair if the assessment of "best practices" is based on the "leaders" of the post-Soviet space. They seem to be closer, and in general, the starting line for the former Soviet republics was in many ways similar. This is mainly about crazy "joy" about the fact that "long-awaited freedom and democracy came to us ..."

      That's it, hey, Foria, ay ?!

      Correctly shown in the movie "72 meters" - the first 35 seconds of the video - bright prospects for the future ...

      And what now ?!
    7. 0
      30 January 2016 01: 03
      Quote: smel
      As, however, and be responsible for their decisions and actions

      This, perhaps, is one of the "stumbling blocks": for gross violations in the management of ministries and departments, nobody still bears real responsibility! Recall Taburetkina wassat
      As soon as personal responsibility for the SUCCESSES (!) And failures of the department under control is designated - so, you see, the "dummy" will start working more efficiently!
      At least our scientists, during the Great Patriotic War, thoughtfully worked very thoughtfully! And not only because they were really patriots, and outstanding specialists - but also because they worked in "sharags" of the PRISON TYPE. "With all the consequences", in case of failure to fulfill the tasks of the party and government.
      In our time, it is high time to create similar conditions for government officials and deputies. Excuses like "He did not know, she (you all know WHO!) Deceived him" - this should not be taken into account! Only one of two things: "IT WAS RIGHT" or "DID NOT COULD". We have no time to experiment with shots - we need the result "yesterday"! And especially it’s criminal to hold people at key posts for many years, due to the inability or malice that continues the collapse of the country's economy ..
    8. 0
      30 January 2016 05: 44
      Quote: smel
      And it’s even sadder to survive this process of destroying everything and everyone.

      And how many did not survive? People simply did not know why they should continue to live when their work and the purpose of their whole life were destroyed. Well, this is someone who fought against "communism, but people did not fit into the market"! Whose hypocritical quote you know yourself.
  2. +9
    29 January 2016 06: 39
    But here the question is: it turns out that those who give advice on “liberalizing” and “Europeanizing” the vector of the country's economy are ready to make a Ukrainian-Moldavian analogy from this economy with all the consequences for industrial production and growth? ..
    Those who give advice on Europeanization stupidly work out the money received for this because of the hillock!
  3. +17
    29 January 2016 06: 39
    The path seems to have already been chosen. Russia in November 2015 increased investments in US Treasuries US Treasuries by six billion dollars. And this is with underfunding of its economy.
    1. +20
      29 January 2016 07: 19
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The path seems to have already been chosen. Russia in November 2015 year increased investments in US Treasuries US Treasuries by six billion dollars.


      It is already clear that no gestures to "develop" the economy imitated by the current government will bring any benefit. Disperse with the Duma
      1. +1
        29 January 2016 09: 09
        Removed from the language! +++++
      2. +9
        29 January 2016 10: 53
        Quote: sherp2015
        Overclock with Duma

        Will they disperse themselves?
        1. +5
          29 January 2016 16: 36
          Quote: halt
          Will they disperse themselves?

          How to get together and ... in 2018 for a third term, they will be convicted of a life presidency, they will take parades under their arms to the mausoleum, and in Skolkovo they will invent a false jaw so that they don’t grumble during a conversation ...
  4. +3
    29 January 2016 06: 41
    No need .. Citizens of Moldova and Ukraine live in a "advanced" (the word is what ..) post-industrial society, free from any morality and .. Economy .. It is not necessary to violate the ecology in the Carpathians .. Our government should take their example .. .And then they sat too long, then do not touch Livanov, then Nabiulin has nothing to reward .. And they will act like in ruin .. And the people themselves will take them out, since the Guarantor's hands do not reach ..
    1. +8
      29 January 2016 09: 53
      All whom you have listed are the people of Garant. It’s also time to endure it
  5. +17
    29 January 2016 06: 48
    Which way should Russia go? Here the question is not even worth it. Only along the path of developing scientific and technological potential and developing the real sector of the economy: industry, agriculture, transport. We have already maintained the balance of payments and banking sector under Kudrin. Now, when we introduced sanctions against Russia, we were left without the necessary products not only for the military-industrial complex, but also for the civilian sector, such as oil production, mining and a number of sectors.
    1. +7
      29 January 2016 08: 13
      You say scary things. So you can agree that the USSR should be returned.)))
      1. +3
        29 January 2016 13: 54
        Quote: Darkness
        You say scary things. So you can agree that the USSR should be returned.)))

        I do not say scary things! But before accepting things as they are. Without commodity values, paper money becomes paper, gold is simply a brilliant metal. And the fact that in order to please the US and the EU we have ruined our industry is nothing to talk about. And having come under sanctions it became clear that without Russia will turn into a colony or a raw material appendage of its industry. And I can say that iron and titanium ore from one of the deposits in the Far East were not in demand on the Hong Kong Exchange, since it was given a price lower than cost. From the USSR economy, you need to take the best, but without distortions towards the military-industrial complex or trade in raw materials.
  6. +2
    29 January 2016 06: 58
    "... the Ukrainian aircraft building concern Antonov, founded in 1946, has ceased to exist ..."
    To begin with, the first instance of the CX-1946 aircraft (the future AN-1) began to be built in 2, and was being built in Novosibirsk, but on August 23, 1948 a decree was issued for No. 3187 where it was indicated that the aircraft would be produced at Kiev plant No. 473.
  7. +11
    29 January 2016 07: 04
    Build your economy, buy only what we don’t have, disperse these currency exchanges to Edren-fen, who needs dollars, let them buy them from the state at a fixed rate
  8. +13
    29 January 2016 07: 09
    An interesting picture - the headline involves consideration of various paths for Russia, and the article once again shows how everything is bad in Moldova and Ukraine, the author, so what is the path Russia should take?
    1. -1
      29 January 2016 14: 29
      Quote: sa-ag
      the headline suggests looking at different ways for Russia


      Dear friend, the title doesn’t mean it. The title is a question for those who are responsible for choosing the paths in our country.

      If you took up reading the article, then read at least to the end, but otherwise - the point?
  9. +14
    29 January 2016 07: 12
    When the wages of the bosses exceed all conceivable and inconceivable sizes, when the worker is a disenfranchised creature, when traders speculate, it’s stupid to work with workers in factories and raise industry. Our fathers and grandfathers raised industry, and as a result, everything collapsed into private hands pulled away.
  10. +6
    29 January 2016 07: 29
    There is no need to ask here, our country does not have the Ozora Islands to survive offshore, and the example of Cyprus is clear to everyone. Without its industry, no state can take place. Another thing is that for this something had to be done to someone. There are no secret ways. Concessional loans for sectors of the real economy, support for innovative start-ups, tax breaks for opening production facilities of Western companies, etc. But as it turns out in fact: yes, there seems to be a Toyota assembly plant in St. Petersburg, but there are only rugs and other small things from ours, and at the exit of the Camry in America it was still cheaper than ours before the crisis. And what prevented the negotiations on the construction of a full assembly cycle plant? Our country’s population is far from rather big, so there would be a demand, the state could support the construction of such an enterprise, at the same time there would be small enterprises for the construction of various components and, as a final result, many new jobs, deductions to the budget after tax breaks, cars abruptly would have fallen in price due to a completely local assembly, and as a final result, we would still have been to currency fluctuations, because Auto is fully produced here. But these are dreams, although everything is actually not so complicated, you just need someone responsible for this to do their job well.
  11. +5
    29 January 2016 07: 49
    Sometimes it seems that under the same name and surname several authors work with the opposite point of view. belay
  12. +8
    29 January 2016 07: 53
    By May decree, Putin promised 18 million high-tech jobs in 2019. As I understand it, the decrees are no longer fulfilled or places will appear from a fairy tale about a goldfish.
    1. +5
      29 January 2016 09: 44
      They and now have these high-tech jobs - instead of the scythe, the wipers received trimmers, and there will be just 18 million of them wink
      1. 0
        29 January 2016 21: 41
        You probably, like Putin, confuse high technology with technology, so he is a politician, the next ... ... he hung noodles on his ears, and he probably does not know how to shake it off.
    2. +8
      29 January 2016 11: 05
      Quote: surozh
      By May decree, Putin promised 18 million high-tech jobs in 2019. As I understand it, the decrees are no longer fulfilled or places will appear from a fairy tale about a goldfish.

      Well, until 2019, another 3 years. However,
      Quote: surozh
      places will appear from a fairy tale about a goldfish

      You never know what the guarantor promised since 2000. And where is it?
      1. +3
        29 January 2016 12: 18
        Oh, now a sweet couple of our Kremlin boats will appear and in their boorish manner will explain to everyone how wrong you are here, and that all of you here suck and the country's past.
    3. 0
      29 January 2016 13: 25
      A high-tech workplace can be an office with a new computer and Internet access.
      1. 0
        29 January 2016 16: 35
        Obviously, you were bombarded for the fact that in the view of our comrades, an office with a computer is only a one-day company with 1C accounting.
      2. 0
        29 January 2016 21: 58
        Generally, high technologies mean the production of something "beyond the possible", naturally also "machines", but without human participation, or with limited participation. A janitor with an electric broom is still a janitor.
    4. 0
      29 January 2016 21: 34
      High-tech jobs do not imply millions of workers, for which they are high-tech. We must also think about industrial production, about construction, agriculture, so to speak, closer to the land. When they talk about high-tech production, and only, like a locomotive, the rest is something like officials or a churchyard.
  13. +9
    29 January 2016 07: 54
    Liberalization europeanization privatization - in a word pederastization A nationalization is needed with the optimization of liberalizers-privatizers followed by lifelong correctional employment at construction sites of the national economy in remote inaccessible areas of the far north
    1. +2
      29 January 2016 09: 12
      And so that they felled and transported your forest - this will be real help to small and medium-sized businesses !!!!
    2. +1
      29 January 2016 12: 42
      privatization liberalizers, followed by lifelong correctional employment at construction sites of the national economy in remote, inaccessible areas of the far north
      -----------------------
      Yes, you are an optimist, my friend! This tribe is heavier ... well, let's say, the fountain pens did not hold anything. Will die out in the first winter. Yes, you are not only an optimist, but also a sadist.: =)
      1. 0
        29 January 2016 22: 03
        But Stalin used to dig channels, hold the handle in his hands, and the stalk will hold it.
    3. 0
      30 January 2016 02: 09
      Quote: forester
      Liberalization europeanization privatization - in a word pederastization A nationalization is needed with the optimization of liberalizers-privatizers followed by lifelong correctional employment at construction sites of the national economy in remote inaccessible areas of the far north

      Crooked brains can not be straightened with anything, neither with a rubber baton-democratizer, nor hard work in the "Light frost" of about forty degrees, but you just need to collect them, deprive them of citizenship and the means of subsistence that they stole and send to the great "Democracy", let them work there for their own good.
  14. +3
    29 January 2016 08: 38
    The dibility of economic offers coming from seemingly smart (or maybe not) people is surprising. Still, there was such a minister, Klebanov, broadcast on television about what Russia needs industry if it integrated into the global economy. Russia should only provide raw materials. We all see what this is fraught with: imposed sanctions and EVERYTHING. There will be no products or equipment. No gentlemen, even though I don’t have an economic education, I’m sure that Russia should have its own industry and Russia should completely provide itself with products. Then we can consider ourselves independent and not a raw materials appendage of world capitalism.
    1. +3
      29 January 2016 12: 23
      All the methods of economic collapse that have been successfully applied in the former countries of the social camp are also being applied in our country, although with a slip so far, all the same, Putin is interfering to the best of his ability (although not as powerful as we would like). But she is patient, the fifth column in power. Money is dripping into accounts for subversive activities, a lot of work, so why rush, suddenly, and financing will disappear?
      1. 0
        29 January 2016 22: 09
        So there are still holes on the belt and the belly hasn’t slept, so we put up with the convoy and the chinodrals and the wife, even if she’s amiss.
  15. +6
    29 January 2016 08: 59
    Like, Russian products - it is still not able to compete with foreign products, because "hands do not grow from there" ...
    Yes, hands are where we need to grow from, but those who think so and say their heads are definitely not put there. We have heard and seen enough of you, singing sweetly in the choir of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And this one
    "Advanced liberal economic experience"
    use at home. Orally and anally.
  16. +12
    29 January 2016 09: 02
    There is one more aspect of the problem. Small towns, where there were one or two city-forming enterprises, found themselves in terrible ruin. It's one thing when in the regional center there is at least some kind of alternative, but here people are forced to survive in various ways - driving to the CENTER, subsidiary farming, "business", etc. And there are more and more such cities.
    And yet, we must not overtake, but overtake, as it does not sound bold now. All these outdated engineering industries can no longer be pulled out - several machines of a high-quality imported brand, the rest - the last century, from the time of Brezhnev. Millions of young people do not know what to do, PC advancement goes through the roof ... and in the age of ZD production, it’s a shame to twist the helm of the grandfather DIP-200. And sometimes the cry of the 70s is heard ... BAM is calling, but for a different reason. Everything is in our hands, friends!
    1. +22
      29 January 2016 09: 29
      It's one thing when in the regional center there is at least some kind of alternative, then here people are forced to survive in various ways - driving to the CENTER, subsidiary farming, "business", etc.


      A simple example, Tver. how many people for years wound to Moscow to earn money?
      Just imagine, you need to get up at 4 in the morning, pack up and by 5-45 by train. At 8-30 in Moscow. To work. In the evening at 19 o’clock the train, at 21-30 in Tver, at 22-15 at home. Eat and sleep, because get up at 4 in the morning.
      And so over the years.
      This is horror. And the people travel. The train is not crowded, but there are a lot of people.
      What does our government do instead of cadres not traveling to Moscow, but staying to work in Tver? Do you think production launches?
      No matter how. Production is being killed. Take the same excavation plant.
      Back in 2005, he produced 250 excavators per month, made 50 sets of cars for the Kovrov plant. They built a conveyor for the production of excavators. Deripaska invested 1,5 billion rubles in the plant (GAZ group). And what is the result?
      I will not say anything about the ugly personnel policy at the plant. The directors were appointed not as professionals, but as their own. So what now? The plant was sold to the Americans by TEREX.
      Now the plant produces 10 cars. They filled the conveyor with CONCRETE. All mechanisms, drive, everything.
      I consider this a diversion. They killed a competitor.
      In addition, the HITACHI plant was also built in the neighborhood. Type of investment.
      Friends, do we need their investment at that cost ???

      And all ... there is no factory. Where are all the workers? and who is where ... all over the country.
      And the trains? On the train blown up such a price, mom do not worry.
      That's how the price of the train increases the interest of hard workers to stay in Tver.
      1. +11
        29 January 2016 11: 08
        Your comment serves as a good example of how industry is developing under Putin.
        1. +2
          29 January 2016 21: 04
          What has the GDP to do with it? You gave an example of the West's investment in Russia. (I would like to remind you that in the 90s, after the withdrawal of the Baltic republics from the USSR, the Germans bought up shares of all factories in the republic and immediately liquidated them). Now "Ayfrnchik" is also concerned about selling shares of domestic factories of enterprises abroad. Why do you think?
          1. +1
            30 January 2016 00: 01
            Quote: bald
            What has the GDP to do with it? You gave an example of the West's investment in Russia. (I would like to remind you that in the 90s, after the withdrawal of the Baltic republics from the USSR, the Germans bought up shares of all factories in the republic and immediately liquidated them). Now "Ayfrnchik" is also concerned about selling shares of domestic factories of enterprises abroad. Why do you think?

            Yeah, the boyars are to blame, and the king is a saint. It’s not funny for you. IPhone flesh from the flesh of Putin's gang.
      2. +7
        29 January 2016 11: 28
        Quote: Consul-t

        And all ... there is no factory. Where are all the workers? and who is where ... all over the country.

        Last week I visited the defense plant, where I worked 12 years ago.
        Oil Painting.
        About 35 workshops in operating condition, about a dozen, are minimally loaded, mainly by commerce. Of the remaining shops, only walls remained, and birch trees grow inside the walls.
        Out of 25 thousand workers and office workers, now 800 are registered !!!!
        1. 0
          30 January 2016 15: 54
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          About 35-ty workshops in working condition about a dozen, loaded minimally, mainly by commerce

          I know the same "plant" in Moscow. Name is MRTZ.

          The funny thing is that MRTZ works. I already know this from another source ..

          Oh how belay
      3. +6
        29 January 2016 11: 32
        It seems that our Mr. President does not care about internal affairs in Russia. Education, engineering, electronics, etc. all this is abandoned at the state level, all his hope is ONLY in market relations.
        1. +7
          29 January 2016 13: 03
          It seems that our Mr. President does not care about internal affairs in Russia.


          He does not have time to look into internal affairs. See what is happening in the world. Suddenly, what will slip past him? Suddenly gas will not reach Germany? trouble? Well, of course, trouble, we will disrupt contracts, and this is sacred!
          We are a milking machine for Europe. It is impossible that the migrants would freeze, well, the Germans, those that remained.
        2. +4
          29 January 2016 14: 02
          Wallet2901! 11.32. Hope for market relations? Market relations say: Competitors must be strangled. What is being done. Market relations are the strangulation of the small and the weak. Speaking of personal freedom and market relations, I understand that they will rob. Above was the Consul's commentary on Tver. This is a good example of market relations. Ukraine is even clearer. There, the whole economy is simply stupidly crumbling. And they do not spare money on this business. Give loans? They are given for ditching.
        3. 0
          29 January 2016 22: 27
          Market relations are good only when trading in watermelons, it is time to get rid of noodles, for 25 years it has been dried and soaked more than once, and managed to turn sour.
      4. +3
        29 January 2016 13: 44
        And in our factory, the mine for testing laser target designation was also poured with concrete, the car shop will now be there ...
        1. 0
          29 January 2016 21: 13
          Likely to someone a fat piece broke off from the mattresses for that. You look at all this and become sadly. What can we do? - And money and power - everything works for them, dear ones!
      5. +2
        29 January 2016 22: 18
        So this state drives ru.ru. Instead of building in Tver, they are building in Moscow. Sobyanin is high time to hang on the first lamppost, he is an enemy of the state. And out of it, praise and rushing. Maximum meme should be done in Moscow, so it’s beautification for the benefit of the inhabitant, and not to collect all of Russia there for housing.
  17. +3
    29 January 2016 09: 12
    The temptation is great to make money in the financial market. "We sit and the money goes." But any financial wind blows them away like autumn leaves. You can follow the path of competition with China, India in metallurgy or coal mining, and the development of the simplest computer programs. But there, we can no longer catch up with them. All that remains is to invest in those industries in which we can achieve cutting-edge, breakthrough success. This is a material-intensive, very technological direction that requires highly trained specialists. But you don't need a lot of them. And what about the rest of the population? With his education and work experience? How will they feed their families?
  18. +13
    29 January 2016 09: 41
    The solution to this problem lies in changing the economic course, but unfortunately this will not happen with these compradors. So, you need to change managers, and all of them.
  19. +9
    29 January 2016 09: 52
    Country country is different. There are countries whose population does not exceed the population of Moscow. It is problematic for them to develop their industry. We have to look for our niche in the global economy, where everything is already divided and occupied. To produce goods is half the battle; you need to find a market. China has a large population and a huge market. But limited natural resources.
    The Lord has endowed Russia with everyone. And if we do not use it, we will be punished. With the scale of our country, you can work for a long time on the domestic market and not be afraid of any sanctions. And that means being a self-sufficient and independent power.
    It is necessary to revive the civil aircraft industry, machine tool industry, shipbuilding ...
    We need to employ our own population, and not provide Turkey with jobs
    1. +4
      29 January 2016 14: 07
      Pvi1206! 09.52. There are countries that do not exceed the population of Moscow. A good example is Israel. I’m not ceasing to be surprised. They live in the sand, there are no fossils, they are constantly fighting and have their own economy. And not very frail. How is that possible?
    2. -1
      29 January 2016 21: 35
      Listen to you and think - what a crap! -In the USSR, all of the above you have already been, but this did not prevent the Jewish communists from the leadership to choose a course of destroying the country. So this is not the main thing. The main thing is for any process (construction or vice versa, collapse) to saddle it in time, to be at the very top, and sitting from there to watch how there, below, the "despicable okhlos" destroys each other for resources! And in order not to look closely at the authorities, to find enemies - mattress covers, for example, as if forgetting that they themselves lay under them for "pleasant"
      1. 0
        30 January 2016 17: 46
        Quote: bald
        this did not prevent Jewish communes from the leadership from choosing the course for the destruction of the country

        More details from now, if possible. And about the "commies" and about the Jews. And who exactly "chose the course".

        From my point of view, the problem is precisely that in its last years the USSR was driving .. but by inertia it was simple, and there was no one to choose the "course"

        Well, and when everything broke down - here scavengers came ... they are billionaires now, dollar.

        Something like that.
  20. +9
    29 January 2016 09: 55
    24% percent below the poverty line in Moldova. In Russia in 2015 they talked about 16%, but in reality the figure, I think, is many times higher. One thing I can say for sure: as long as the oligarchs are running the show, sitting on the pumping out of natural resources, nothing will change for the people. Change governments at least 10 times a year, but they work for the benefit of the oligarchs and themselves. We need someone who can break the back of the insolent oligarchy. But such people are quickly eliminated. I am afraid that in reality the nerves of the people in some regions will break down and riots will begin. On this basis, the West will begin to parasitize and the further development of events can be anything. We should not also forget about the sons of the current "elites" - they also want to have an independent income, and when all the sources of money are from the daddies, the sons can try to squeeze out these sources, corny making a mess in the country, as it was in the 90s. To do this, the situation in the country will be brought to white heat, and then the sons will lead the masses and take the daddies from their estates. In general, wherever you spit, but the future of the common people of Russia and the regions will not be very cheerful. When the elites are at war, the first to suffer is we - the common people.
    1. +1
      29 January 2016 13: 48
      Nobody cares about the riots - it’s necessary to work - the majority of the population in Russia work for private owners and even if all the oligarchs leave, they donate their assets to the state and everything else will be reflected in the welfare of citizens in a minimal way - the products both cost and will cost - gasoline, taxes, loans, housing and communal services tariffs and everything else will not change - benefits and pensions will slightly increase salaries of state employees, the budget will receive more money; the treasury will send part of these funds to the stabilization fund and all other funds, and the other half to increase federal programs: the army, space, science and others.
    2. 0
      30 January 2016 22: 59
      Quote: sds87
      sons can try to squeeze out these sources by trite messing up in the country, as it was in 90's

      What nonsense you just said .. in 90 it wasn’t at all, I answer ..

      Quote: sds87
      To do this, the situation in the country will be reduced to white-hot, and then the sons will lead the masses and demolish daddies from their estates

      Yeah, exactly .. only the "popular masses" right now are no longer the same as in the 90s - only from the Union, accustomed to the fact that the State is responsible for everything - I speak for myself and my friends - we ourselves, if anything, will help the State .. just let me know what you need Yes

      Quote: sds87
      When the elites fight, we are the first to suffer - the common people

      Praa-aaavilno .. That is why it is not necessary for the "elites" to fight .. let them squabble among themselves for a piece .. they are not eternal, these "elites" ..

      We’ll die ... on this optimistic note - hi
  21. 0
    29 January 2016 09: 55
    To the wall it is necessary to PUT FOR SUCH IDEAS .. according to the laws of wartime! By God .. well, when the LIBERALS FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO REMOVE .. even the slogan came up with "LIBERAK for KOLYAKA" for a count! purely Ukrainian motive))
    1. +5
      29 January 2016 11: 43
      You turn to our guarantor, he will tell you everything. These are his people. Here and offer him these things. Can you tell me how this appeal will end?
  22. +1
    29 January 2016 10: 47
    There were words that Erdogashka thinks more about his personal business than about the State.

    Perhaps this applies to all the rich.
  23. +1
    29 January 2016 11: 01
    It has long been necessary to declare the words "liberal", "stock exchange" and their derivatives obscene and punish for their use by dismissal from office without the right to continue to occupy it. And also prohibit those who have a foreign education from holding leadership positions. This will be a small step towards the prosperity of Russia.
    1. 0
      29 January 2016 21: 44
      "And also prohibit those who have a foreign education from occupying leadership positions" ... Then: And it is even better to prohibit the presence of education in the leadership:! To teach smart is only to spoil. and teaching a fool is useless !. -People's wisdom!
  24. -1
    29 January 2016 12: 43
    I thought it was VO, but it turned out ECHO.
  25. +1
    29 January 2016 14: 00
    For the first time I read about Molcarton on which I myself worked until 2000. Alas, it is not so written .. As perestroika came, the enterprise came to an end. Two months worked and gave a plan. Then began the national thieves redistribution and the collapse of the Union .. In the beginning, local princes stole, then the enterprise was transferred to Itera, the Russian thieves structure, for debts for gas. came a couple of bosses who never worked but just sat in the offices. They poured money that was successfully stolen by everyone and after that the enterprise stood up forever. But by the way, this enterprise was of union importance and torn from the union had no prospects
  26. -1
    29 January 2016 14: 12
    I read here the news on RBC about barrage duties on steel and find out who the owners of what the Komsomol-volunteers built and the whole country are now. Wah ... and for some reason, the names are all Jewish ...
    hire of the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works (MMK) Victor Rashnikov
    Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant (NLMK) Vladimir Lisin and Severstal Alexei Mordashov.

    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/business/28/01/2016/56aa053f9a7947cee59701a6
  27. +6
    29 January 2016 15: 18
    Dear, little respected and not respected at all! I do not ask to listen, at least listen! Russia is a self-sufficient state! The path of Russia lies in the revival of material production! But first you need to take these means of production from the hands of P.I.D.A.R.A.S.O.V., who care only about their ass. Then everyone will have happiness and prosperity. Something like this.
    1. +2
      29 January 2016 19: 12
      Quote: potalevl
      But first you need to take these means of production out of hand

      In order to pick up the funds from the hands of these same people, it’s necessary, at least for a start, to stop voting for these in the elections.
      1. +1
        29 January 2016 22: 14
        And what's next?
  28. 0
    29 January 2016 15: 36
    In order to build something or organize a business, money is needed, preferably at a minimum percentage (in developed countries, this% is about 0). The Central Bank of Russia set the rate at 11%, at a commercial bank 25-30%. The Central Bank of Russia does not submit to any branch of power under the Constitution. The main task of the Central Bank is to support the national currency, as he supports it, everyone sees it. What to do is to hold a referendum on the Constitution (questions on the Central Bank, national ideology, the powers of the president), or give the president immediate emergency powers for a short period of time so that his decrees are executed not by 20% in 3,5 years, but quickly and scrupulously.
    1. +5
      29 January 2016 16: 08
      Quote: dmb91
      or give the president immediately extraordinary powers for a short period of time so that his decrees are not implemented by 20% in 3,5 years, but quickly and scrupulously.

      What other powers? he has enough of these powers to lead the country out of the crisis.
      Only now does not want to use these powers.
    2. +5
      29 January 2016 19: 14
      Quote: dmb91
      or give the president immediate emergency powers

      or maybe tear the eggs, so that, like that dancer, they’re not interfering?
  29. +1
    29 January 2016 15: 55
    Mediocre government, the same economy !!! Money learned to "tyrit" from the pocket of the people for more intelligence is not enough.
  30. -2
    29 January 2016 15: 59
    Quote: Amurets
    Now that we have imposed sanctions against Russia, we are left without the necessary products, not only for the military-industrial complex, but also for the civilian sector, such as oil production, mining and a number of other sectors.

    We were left without products precisely because of the folding of all "eggs in one basket (oil and gas)". Without any intelligible plan for the country's development by our president. If the emphasis is on the military industry, then everything is in order. And tanks and planes .. And the fact that we do not make industrial goods is not Obama's fault. And what have the sanctions to do with it? The USA and Europe are our strategic adversaries. Did you find out that yesterday? Or should they feed and clothe us while we build up the military-industrial complex? What nonsense? And then, we are told that isolation is impossible, so for the third time I do not see the connection "sanctions - left without the necessary products." And the sanctions are good for us. This is a time of opportunity, says a person with 89% support .. So hurray we need to say sanctions.
  31. +3
    29 January 2016 16: 08
    Dear, what’s the fault of one government? And the thought is with laws that allow all these outrages, and the president is the guarantor of everything and everything, and the courts do not see or hear, but the deputies are in the field, so this is called the system and alas, to change, especially no one will break it and they won’t give you
  32. +1
    29 January 2016 16: 24
    For a simple reason, the government, the State Duma of the Russian Federation is simply not a decisive screen, laws are written under the dictation of advisers from the Washington regional committee since 1991. A whole system of management and fooling is built up, the goal is to reduce the population of the Russian Federation at times, try to look at what is happening from this point of view.
    1. +3
      29 January 2016 19: 21
      Quote: dmb91
      laws are dictated by advisers from the Washington regional committee

      But Putin signs them, and does not know about it? Or does he still know? Then why do you propose to give the president special powers? You already somehow decide.
  33. 0
    29 January 2016 16: 24
    Quote: sherp2015
    Quote: Mikhail M
    The path seems to have already been chosen. Russia in November 2015 year increased investments in US Treasuries US Treasuries by six billion dollars.


    It is already clear that no gestures to "develop" the economy imitated by the current government will bring any benefit. Disperse with the Duma


    And drive to the wall! am
  34. +2
    29 January 2016 16: 48
    I understand the author’s hatred of Moldovans and Ukrainians, they went the wrong way, they wanted to go to Europe because of their collapse ... We’re smarter, aware that oil and gas need to be sold and there will be prosperity and prosperity! But they are stupid do not understand the elementary truths, there is nothing to learn from us!

    P.S .:
    So, in 1989, the share of industrial production in the economy of Moldova was 37% (this is the 9th place among all the Soviet republics). And this, by the way, is 4% higher than the world average level of the same year. Of the indicated industrial percentages in Moldova, 34% is food industry, 23% is light industry, 21% is machine building, and about 7% is pulp and paper industry. In the Soviet years, factories for the production of building materials, enterprises of the metallurgical complex, and chemical plants worked in Moldova. Today, the term “Moldavian industry” has become a kind of oxymoron


    Bravo comrade Volodin! Bravo! Absolutely right! That's only in 1989. Transnistria, where all this industry is still located in Moldova, was ... If Moldovans suddenly regain Transnistria, then Comrade Volodin will write about the sharp increase in prom. production of Moldova?
    1. 0
      30 January 2016 00: 08
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I understand the author’s hatred of Moldovans and Ukrainians, they went the wrong way, they wanted to go to Europe because of their collapse ... We’re smarter, aware that oil and gas need to be sold and there will be prosperity and prosperity! But they are stupid do not understand the elementary truths, there is nothing to learn from us!

      P.S .:
      So, in 1989, the share of industrial production in the economy of Moldova was 37% (this is the 9th place among all the Soviet republics). And this, by the way, is 4% higher than the world average level of the same year. Of the indicated industrial percentages in Moldova, 34% is food industry, 23% is light industry, 21% is machine building, and about 7% is pulp and paper industry. In the Soviet years, factories for the production of building materials, enterprises of the metallurgical complex, and chemical plants worked in Moldova. Today, the term “Moldavian industry” has become a kind of oxymoron


      Bravo comrade Volodin! Bravo! Absolutely right! That's only in 1989. Transnistria, where all this industry is still located in Moldova, was ... If Moldovans suddenly regain Transnistria, then Comrade Volodin will write about the sharp increase in prom. production of Moldova?

      Believe, the Ukrainians need to return the Donbass and then the fall of their prom. production will be replaced by growth. Here it is. Here is the recipe prom. prosperity. Yes, you are just a genius.
  35. 0
    29 January 2016 16: 51
    The problem is sovereignty. It is like in any family, if you make decisions yourself, work for yourself and you are not idlers, you will live with dignity, and if you are told what to do, where to give the money your family has earned, you will soon bend.
    1. 0
      13 February 2016 21: 15
      Quote: dmb91
      if you make decisions yourself, work for yourself and you are not idlers, you will live with dignity, and if you are told what to do, where to give money your family has earned, you will soon bend

      Kindergarten..

      - absolute sovereignty, this is, excuse me, a form of solipsism
      - You are already "indicated" "where to give the money" - the bill for the apartment / electricity, the price of a ticket on the bus, the price tags in the store .. Isn't it?

      And so any (I emphasize - any) sovereign country and its leadership are compelled in their activity to obey various rules.

      Some people try to get around these rules. But it has nothing to do with "sovereignty", it has nothing to do with "sovereignty" Yes
  36. +4
    29 January 2016 17: 15
    Then let's no longer vote for GDP. After all, he will not turn off the liberal course (he himself said that) .20 more than years lived with the liberals, we understood where they drove us, it's time to cast our vote.
    1. +6
      29 January 2016 19: 29
      Quote: Krona
      Then let's no longer vote for GDP

      Well, you are bent! How could it be without Him! And who instead of Him! And how Russia was formed without Him, I can’t imagine.
      1. +3
        30 January 2016 00: 10
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Krona
        Then let's no longer vote for GDP

        Well, you are bent! How could it be without Him! And who instead of Him! And how Russia was formed without Him, I can’t imagine.

        Orphaned Russian. What to do wake up without him, how to live ??? Byad.
  37. +2
    29 January 2016 19: 39
    I can say all this terribly as a resident of a region in which all large factories and combines have been converted into shopping centers, which are owned by people from Moscow. Not a single enterprise is left, only we go by ourselves; we buy ourselves; we sell ourselves. It’s one joy to budget workers that even though they pay a penny, they still pay. But all those who work on private traders can never be sure of tomorrow ...
  38. +1
    29 January 2016 19: 44
    Yesterday, a comrade of the Olympic symbol said that Russia is completely missing the production of high-tech oil and gas equipment. The truth does not know, or believes, if Dick Cheney does not apply for Russian citizenship, we don’t have anything. The fact that the orders of oil and gas workers in many ways saved our defense industry in 1990 is not known to this sage. But this is still half the trouble. Indeed, if there are no technologies, then the state is not going to subsidize them either. That's where this gentleman beats. Can he write a letter to Dick Cheney?
  39. 0
    29 January 2016 19: 44
    Putin and Co., even if they understand that something needs to be done, they simply DO NOT know how to manage people, or to set personnel, or to set tasks, or ask for implementation ... well, pure amateurs in this matter, but still for power caught hold of a death grip, and for 20 (!) years in power they did NOT LEARN ANYTHING SO ... It seems a sad fate for the Slavic world in such a situation ... here you will think about it, but are they really wrong ... in Ukraine?
    1. -1
      29 January 2016 21: 03
      Yes, my dear. You really are the former, everything is the former. Do not meddle, do not carry nonsense. Keep kitchen slander to yourself. Former.
    2. -2
      29 January 2016 22: 00
      But the Ukrainians learned how to set frames and put forward tasks. -Live now, like kings: they will ride on the Maidan, or they will ride in oil! I would be silent for a while.
    3. 0
      30 January 2016 00: 12
      Quote: Former Combat
      Putin and Co., even if they understand that something needs to be done, they simply DO NOT know how to manage people, or to set personnel, or to set tasks, or ask for implementation ... well, pure amateurs in this matter, but still for power caught hold of a death grip, and for 20 (!) years in power they did NOT LEARN ANYTHING SO ... It seems a sad fate for the Slavic world in such a situation ... here you will think about it, but are they really wrong ... in Ukraine?

      Ahahaha .... Yes, Putin is a simple economic genius amid swine litter, which is now ruled in Ukraine.
  40. 0
    29 January 2016 20: 59
    It is unacceptable to ruin the industry. Such lively "experts" need to create definitely intolerable conditions and protect production from destruction. We have already seen and experienced what a "liberal" economy means. "Gaidarov" to the gallows!
  41. +1
    29 January 2016 21: 51
    I read the comments. Has concluded.

    GDP seems to have relaxed. Something had to be changed a long time ago. And in the case, only promises.

    Medvedev will sit for a long time. His New Year’s promises of selling state property to replenish the budget still do not go out of his head.

    By the way.
  42. 0
    29 January 2016 22: 15
    Recently, materials and remarks have often appeared in the press and on the Internet that, through the economic crisis of Russia, it will not be possible to step over investments in the real sector of the economy with the support of production, but “maintaining a balance of payments based on a sound exchange and banking policy,” as well as “ Western experience "

    The author does not add up to links to sources.

    - whose particular statements?
    - where are published (newspaper.sru and echo matzah - not to mention)?

    Further - more .. a little of Moldova, a little of Ukraine (which, it would seem, is one related to the other ??), and here -

    It cannot be said that Russia is perfect in this regard. But the question is this: it turns out that those who give advice on “liberalizing” and “Europeanizing” the vector of the country's economy are ready to draw from this economy a Ukrainian-Moldavian analogy with all the consequences for industrial production and growth? .. By Volodin Alekse

    Throwing a threshing floor on a rotator, typical .. and the author - a piece of bread with butter .. and people here read, comment .. colleagues - "nothing" because the article is that tongue
  43. +2
    29 January 2016 23: 53
    In the context of the gradual development of the Cold War into a hot one, it is necessary to create a mobilization economy and eliminate thieves and traitors. Political will is needed, but it is not. Of course, effective managers, commerce and bureaucrats themselves will not be liquidated and will not publicly repent.
    1. 0
      30 January 2016 06: 12
      Quote: gendir.grifon
      ... of course they will not liquidate themselves and publicly repent.


      The existence of gradual overgrowth is doubtful. There is nothing to foresee in a hot war with the use of nuclear weapons, but its swiftness is undeniable. Here: either you win, or you win ...
      One thing is true, no one will repent for the collapse, for inaction for so many years, just as they will answer to the "manna from heaven" that has fallen on the "elect".


      Quote: Cat Man Null
      colleagues - "nothing" because the article is


      What can you say here? we can say "nothing", taking into account the remains of significant enterprises that are able to show something on the product market. I can only say that reality "contradicts" the words of the author ... everything is much ... darker and more hopeless. For the enterprises, cut off from suppliers and subcontractors, thrown into the established market, simply collapse ... Unfortunately, this is not only a problem of the near abroad, it has not been solved in our country either ... Apparently, it is much more pleasant for hands and eyes to work on the principle :
      Ruble (hryvnia, leia ...) - dollar (euro) - ruble (hryvnia, leia ...)
      hi
  44. -1
    30 January 2016 13: 18
    The powers of the President are limited: Article 107, Clause 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    There is no state ideology, Article 13, Clause 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    The priority of international treaties over the laws of the Russian Federation is Article 15, paragraph 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    Independence of the Central Bank from other bodies of state power - Article 75, Clause 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    How to practically wage war without money, ideology, concentration of power?
    In Russia, only NCD provides solutions to the problem and explains the essence of what is happening.
  45. 0
    13 February 2016 21: 08
    Quote: dmb91
    The priority of international treaties over the laws of the Russian Federation is Article 15, paragraph 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    - a lie

    Quote: dmb91
    Independence of the Central Bank from other bodies of state power - art. 75, cl. 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

    - a lie

    Quote: dmb91
    In Russia, only NCD provides solutions to the problem and explains the essence of what is happening.

    Advertising on the site is prohibited, EMNIP. And GCD is a bunch of talkers ..

    Change the manual, or read the Constitution, or something .. negative