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The army of Belarus, the strengthening power of Russia, is a bone in the throat of Lithuania

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The army of Belarus, the strengthening power of Russia, is a bone in the throat of Lithuania



Despite Lithuania’s hysteria about a possible armed conflict with Russia, allegedly wanting to take advantage of the Suvalki corridor’s insecurity, Belarus continues to develop military cooperation with the Russian army.

The topic of the Belarusian-Russian military cooperation for the neighboring Lithuania is very topical, occupying top places in the Lithuanian segment of the Internet. In this case, any reasons are used.

For example, on January 25, the Russian government approved a draft intergovernmental agreement with Belarus on joint technical support of a regional group of troops for a period of five years.

According to the draft agreement, the authorized bodies of the parties - the Ministries of Defense of the Russian Federation and Belarus - jointly organize and carry out, in particular, the planning of technical support measures for the regional grouping of troops. Their duties also include jointly maintaining readiness for the use of military infrastructure objects of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Belarus, identified in the list for joint use in the interests of the regional grouping of troops.

Immediately, the DELFI.LT news agency posts the article “NATO's Achilles heel in Lithuania”, which managed to collect 1433 comments in just one day.



The author of the article, Vaidas Salžiūnas, gives a comparative description of the armed forces of Lithuania, Belarus and Russia, discusses possible developments in military scenarios, including using the so-called Suwalki corridor, when Lithuania can be cut off from the help of NATO allies.

The fears are clear, but the reasons are unfounded. Undoubtedly, Belarus seeks to strengthen the defense potential of the Union State with Russia.

At the same time, the Belarusian Ministry of Defense is developing military-technical cooperation with such countries as Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, China, and also with 60 countries of the world.

For example, the governments of Belarus and Pakistan ratified the agreement on military-technical cooperation. On the basis of agreements reached by the chiefs of the general staffs of the armed forces of Belarus and China, the implementation of new large-scale bilateral projects in the military-technical field was initiated, etc. Moreover, in early December, the Ministries of Defense of Lithuania and Belarus signed an action plan for military cooperation between the authorities of both countries for the year 2016.

In the same vein, more than 30 international legal agreements in the field of military cooperation were signed between Belarus and Russia.

Most of the development and production of high-tech and intelligent weapons and military equipment is focused on the Russian defense industry. For example, many Belarusian enterprises supply elementary base, radio-electronic devices and other components to Russian “subcontractors”. A promising vector is cooperation in the field of satellite navigation and joint application of the GLONASS system. Integration projects are being implemented with the participation of Belarusian enterprises Peleng and Integral. The Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant, which produces unique heavy trucks that feel comfortable in the most difficult climatic conditions, supplies almost 90 percent of its products to Russia. It is on the MZKT chassis that the Russian Topol-M strategic missile system, Iskander operational-tactical missile system, Uragan multiple launch rocket system, and S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are installed. Belarusian spare parts are equipped Tanks T-90S, T-72S and T-80U, airborne and infantry fighting vehicles, artillery systems, anti-tank missile and anti-aircraft anti-aircraft missile systems, melee and small arms weapon.

It should be noted that as a legacy of the unified military-industrial complex of the Soviet Union, the post-Soviet republics got the well-established military-technical ties that have been finalized at the present time.

Undoubtedly, such close and fruitful military cooperation between the two countries is dictated solely by national interests and the desire to ensure the security of the Union State by joint efforts, since Belarus is the main strategic partner for Russia. And this can in no way be connected with any “plans” of Moscow and Minsk to seize Vilnius, which are very much agitated by Lithuanian experts in the media.

In this regard, it should be assumed that the armies and military-industrial complexes of both states will continue close cooperation only for peaceful purposes, strengthening the defense capability of the Union State and in no way seeking to aggravate relations with their neighbors.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2016 07: 20
    12
    The author of the article, Vaidas Saljunas, gives a comparative description of the armed forces of Lithuania, Belarus and Russia, discusses possible developments in military scenarios.


    Does Lithuania have its own armed forces?

    Well, this is it, "the author of the article Vaidas Saldyunas" somehow got excited, comparing the characteristics of the Armed Forces, and especially of Lithuania and Russia.
    Something does not fit in the mind of the Lithuanian. Apparently he was ill healthy and without any hope of recovery. laughing
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 January 2016 09: 22
      +7
      The army of Belarus, the strengthening power of Russia, is a bone in the throat of Lithuania

      The title sounds like this shit is something militarily and can threaten Belarus)) laughter and only
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 30 January 2016 11: 23
      +3
      discusses possible developments in military scenarios


      belay laughing laughing laughing No, please "thinks about the possibleohm developedand only militaryOn scriptsя", called" organized surrender ", if we want it or strongly ask, and so ... fool
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    5. father
      father 30 January 2016 17: 13
      0
      http://www.kam.lt/images/38296/151956
      There is
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    6. father
      father 30 January 2016 17: 41
      -1
      On April 10, 2015, the defense ministers of five countries of Northern Europe - Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland - issued a joint declaration on the need to counter Russia. They called the actions of the Russian authorities the biggest threat to European security. To counter Russia, the authors of the declaration propose to conduct more joint exercises, actively exchange intelligence and cooperate in the fight against cyber attacks. The statement also says about the need for cooperation with the Baltic countries.

      In August 2014, Finnish Minister of Defense Karl Haglund announced that Finland and Sweden would open their territories to accommodate NATO’s rapid reaction forces. The Alliance’s Rapid Response Troops will be able to freely move through the territories of Finland and Sweden in the event of disasters, emergencies, threats to the security of these countries, as well as during exercises. Finland and Sweden, for their part, are committed to supporting and supporting the alliance forces.
  2. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 30 January 2016 07: 24
    +4
    Yes let it hurt! tea is not the first time)))))) hysterical ones like a student Kakiya !!!!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 30 January 2016 08: 06
      10
      Yes, it’s just that nobody pays attention to them, nobody needs them, that's why they scream. Horror stories come up and then faint from their own fears lol Yes, we don't even need ... to attack them! But if you give your territory to your type allies in different NATO and so on, which pose a threat to us, then there is no need to whine about different "hypothetical threats" ... request
      There is nothing to confuse cause and effect winked
      1. avt
        avt 30 January 2016 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Yes, it’s just that nobody pays attention to them, nobody needs them, that's why they scream. Horror stories come up and then faint from their own fears

        Well, actually, in fairness, fear is being traded in the EU. It’s quite a commodity nowadays and some people will raise dough on it. Well, but a side effect - they’ve gotten so terrible that they themselves believed and crap out of fear.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 30 January 2016 12: 51
          +2
          Quote: avt
          Well, actually, in fairness, fear is being traded in the EU. It’s quite a commodity for itself nowadays and some people will raise dough on it. Well, but a side effect - they’ve gotten so terrified that they themselves believed and crap out of fear

          To whom money, and to whom and full pants good laughing Totally agree!
      2. father
        father 30 January 2016 17: 56
        0
        All dictatorships are aggressive towards their neighbors. External "danger" serves dictators as an explanation for draconian measures and poverty in the country
  3. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 30 January 2016 08: 09
    +3
    ... that the armies and military-industrial complexes of both states will continue close cooperation only for peaceful purposes, strengthening the defense capability of the Union State and in no way seeking to aggravate relations with neighbors.
    Everything is clear and understandable, NATO to the East. Shawki. What the Americans will give out the "score", so they perform. But we need someone else's, We would defend our own. It does not reach, but it seems to me that it will eventually come. The sun rises in the East.
    1. father
      father 1 February 2016 01: 52
      -1
      All due to the fact that they took someone else-Crimea and climbed on
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 1 February 2016 05: 33
        0
        Did you get Crimea right from your EU pocket? wassat
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2016 08: 41
    +5
    The Belarusian army will be a good judge when it enters the Russian army. And then we play .. but we don’t play there. But give me the money.
    1. Mentor
      Mentor 30 January 2016 09: 16
      0
      Then it will not be the Belarusian army ... And, by the way, we personally did not ask you for money.
    2. bed111
      bed111 30 January 2016 11: 36
      0
      The Belarusian army is an army of an independent state. Where will she go? And so cooperation, more than close, joint exercises, studies, exchanges ... I do not think that Belarus will sometime be included in the Russian Federation in the near future. So far you have to deal with your mess.
      1. avt
        avt 30 January 2016 12: 03
        +9
        Quote: bed111
        The Belarusian army is an army of an independent state.

        Thank you for reminding me again! And then there is, it is already quite rare, but there are adherents of the sect of "statehood" and the "Belarusian economic miracle" in Russia. They just forgot to add - "we are protecting you, you have nothing in the west."
        Quote: Mentor
        Then it will not be the Belarusian army ...

        Really! Who then will march before Kolya! wassat
        Quote: bed111
        . I do not think that Belarus will one day soon become part of the Russian Federation. So far, you need to deal with your mess.

        Well, it seems that no one is proposing to enter anywhere. GDP at the "beginning of the glorious deeds" proposed to separate flies from cutlets, well, But Father answered for HIS Bazaar about a single means of payment, so after his hysterical hysteria, I never heard that GDP, or someone else from the Russian leadership generally stuttered about these Topics. Exceptionally all the beeps came from Batski - "we say the state" and the National Academy of Sciences - "EAEU economy, no politician." So don't worry. And the article is sparse - Glavpurov's propaganda about nothing.
        1. avt
          avt 30 January 2016 12: 11
          +6
          Yes, here's another thing
          Quote: bed111
          And so cooperation, more than close, joint exercises, study, exchange ...

          Forgot about the ,, unified air defense "it is not clear what it consists of and whose commands it executes, and from which single center. Grygorycha in front of the assembled audience - "I don't know!" laughing
          In this regard, it should be assumed that the armies and military-industrial complexes of both states will continue close cooperation only for peaceful purposes, strengthening the defense capability of the Union State and in no way seeking to aggravate relations with their neighbors.
          Well, yes, the cooperation from the USSR naturally remained and even develops, here is a vivid example of this - “They don’t have enough intelligence or money to make centipedes,” but Batska broadcast about heavy MAZ platforms, well, KAMZ in 2015 for testing brought analogs.
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 30 January 2016 12: 37
            -8
            And what does the "centipede" sobsna have to do with it?) This is generally a topic for another conversation, a few words cannot be avoided.
            Abound in Russian military facilities in Belarus for now. Placing a base is easy, driving out is very difficult
            1. avt
              avt 30 January 2016 12: 50
              +7
              Quote: Explorer
              And where does the "centipede" sobsna?)

              Own nothing to do with, the campaign yak Batska and Beardach - "I'm not in kugse gebyats!", Well, do not strain.
              Quote: Explorer
              Abound in Russian military facilities in Belarus for now.

              And Russia, and, is content "with what it has. Didn't notice? Nobody stutters in the manual anymore, but we will remind you here on the site laughing, now it's up to the small - start with Butska
              Quote: Explorer
              - content yourself with what you have for now.

              and don’t whack the planes for free and air defense systems, since soon
              Quote: bed111
              The Belarusian army is an army of an independent state.

              and you are already preparing for life
              Quote: Explorer
              . Placing a base is easy, driving out is very difficult
              even within the framework of the CSTO, they somehow scatter expensive weapons, which they themselves lack in light of the current threats. And then this schizophrenia, sayuznago state ", come here and went to ..." already got it.
              1. bed111
                bed111 30 January 2016 13: 05
                -4
                Quote: avt
                and you are already preparing for life


                We are not preparing for anything. Cooperation with the Russian army exists, expands. Friendship between countries is strong, reliable. BUT! Belarus has been and will remain an INDEPENDENT state. However, maybe someone would not want another. Just so it is.
                1. avt
                  avt 30 January 2016 13: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: bed111
                  . BUT! Belarus has been and will remain an INDEPENDENT state. As if, perhaps, someone did not want another.

                  And again - thanks for reminding those
                  Quote: avt
                  there are adherents of the sect "sayuznago state" and the "Belarusian economic miracle" in Russia.

                  laughing Again, it was necessary to add Batskino - "We do not trade in suvaryanitet!" And remembering
                  Quote: bed111
                  . Cooperation with the Russian army exists, is expanding

                  do not forget to add - within the framework of the CSTO, those who are in kugs will understand, but to clarify - the article of the constitution of their country that the Belarusian Armed Forces outside it can’t be used, this is for the most dull it will really fight the spaces of the CSTO members, well, God forbid, in Kyrgyzstan there, Armenia didn’t stand and did not look to the north - Batsk didn’t go there with the Belarusian army at the head of the CSTO troops. laughing
                  Quote: bed111
                  We are not preparing for anything.

                  And don't, don't worry - within the framework of the CSTO, in accordance with the procedures prescribed there, the GDP will do everything. You just somehow ask Butler, well, what would he, like his Kolya - dad, give me a typewriter, do not pull the sleeve - Vova! Give me planes, give me S-400. Well, what do you mean - sorry or what !? Well, there is no time and the situation is not that the GDP of someone's Wishlist gratified, there is no money, no time, we have to deal with the business. They immediately turn on Borodoch - “I'm not in kugs! Gebats! "What kind of" base "on the ruined land of Belarus ?? wassat
              2. Conductor
                Conductor 30 January 2016 13: 31
                -7
                Russia transfers the s-300 complexes to Belarus free of charge. Everything else is purchased. Can you tell us more about the "donated" aircraft and other anti-aircraft complexes?
                ps he included a bearded man before the election, the topic has not been raised since then
                1. avt
                  avt 30 January 2016 17: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Explorer
                  Russia transfers the s-300 complexes to Belarus free of charge. Everything else is purchased. Can you tell us more about the "donated" aircraft and other anti-aircraft complexes?

                  Buys, even at domestic prices as a member of the CSTO and the EAEU. Inquire not hunting where to buy shishi then? Well, in light of the recent searches for Butler 3 yards to pay off old debts? And a new deferral for the payment of previously issued loans to Russia? That doesn’t suggest an idea - where would you all be, if it were not Russia that should have done this, with all the claims - “I am not a suvaryanity” and other “Belarusian economic miracle”? If only the IMF owed it? If you want to know, look at the neighbors in the south.
          2. serverny
            serverny 30 January 2016 15: 10
            -1
            You are very good at inciting hatred for Belarus.
            I wonder whose order you worked out 3-4 years ago and whom they publicly insulted and humiliated, aren't the Ukrainians?
            1. avt
              avt 30 January 2016 16: 33
              +3
              Quote: serverny
              I wonder whose order you worked out 3-4 years ago and whom they publicly insulted and humiliated, aren't the Ukrainians?

              Is it for me? Well, at that time, if you open my comments, I wrote about the fact that with the great ykry will not be me alone. But many continued to cover their ears with noodles about the brotherhood of peoples. Now, when everything that the great breeds warned about, sometimes very emotionally, came true, such svidomye, but already great Lithuanians, include the fact that on this site I was not the only one who said, many -That's when they stay at the bottom of the trough, we are guilty again - the Russians will understand, because they knew and spoke so that they would not believe us and did it their own way, according to the squarely blameless. laughing foolWell, a free will, saved, is a paradise, then do not say that you did not know and no one warned.
              Quote: serverny
              You are very good at inciting hatred for Belarus.

              Well, the campaign is the same Belarusian, or rather the Grand Duchess, analogue of Svidomo Velikoukrov. What can I say? Download. This campaign is not treated homeopathically, only surgery helps.
              1. Conductor
                Conductor 30 January 2016 17: 57
                -4
                A person just has a new phobia - people under a red-green flag on this site A little bit of bile pouring and so on and so forth (there was someone to train on - people under a yellow-blue flag, who began to persecute even for the most innocuous point of view, interfering with dirt) - and then the eternal whining "why nobody loves us, Russians are offended everywhere ... blah blah"
                1. avt
                  avt 30 January 2016 18: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Explorer
                  and then the eternal whining "why no one loves us, Russians are offended everywhere ... blah blah"

                  laughing Well, yes, yes, there are such waters, "conductors" and they begin about disrespect in the name of the respublyki, well, neither give nor take great ukry with spelling instead of on, in Ukraine, then moan and rub about suvaryanitet, and then they get offended - are not being held on, sayuznaye state "then !? wassat "They want to lose the last" ally? Well, write it down and hang it on your wall - "In the whole world we have only two loyal allies - our army and navy. All the rest, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us" - Alexander III. that this station is your national, blah blah, blah "have already passed in Ukraine and on the roundabout No. reluctance to ride.
                2. alexej123
                  alexej123 30 January 2016 23: 44
                  -2
                  Robots, don’t love us, we don’t ask. Do not beg for petroleum products at reduced prices, weapons, loans at low rates. Then let's live by the principle - Nothing personal, only business, as it is now with urogabon. I understand that in Belarus the principle is Good Pont, the same money. But forever on the show-off does not ride.
              2. father
                father 31 January 2016 18: 59
                0
                Hamish? Potoms and sitting within the boundaries of the seventeenth century. All operating time of the Praslavsky Rada went forever.
  5. am808s
    am808s 30 January 2016 08: 53
    +2
    There is a wonderful saying "The scared crow-bush is afraid!" Only this Baltic crow winds itself up and does not give rest to its neighbors, it keeps watch on the guard of Europe.
  6. itr
    itr 30 January 2016 09: 43
    +4
    strange article title
    why are we bone in the throat of Lithuania ??? there are only 3 million of them, and Belarus and us are more than 150
    1. father
      father 1 February 2016 01: 57
      0
      There are 580 million of us in the EU ... :)
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 1 February 2016 05: 31
        0
        This is how many times less than the Chinese? Is the EU alone Lithuania?
  7. vomag
    vomag 30 January 2016 10: 41
    +2
    Hmm, here I am looking at the map "about possible developments in military scenarios, including the use of the so-called Suwalki corridor" and I have only one question: who made it up? from the Kaliningrad region three differently directed strikes! Yes, this is a clinic in its purest form and maybe a madhouse. Here either to be treated or ... you need to have a snack ...
  8. Sunseich
    Sunseich 30 January 2016 12: 24
    +5
    I read about the Belarusian Integral, I remembered a case from life. Three or four years ago it was.
    I’m going to the godfathers in Minsk by train, I got a side one. Well, okay) I sat down, I drink tea.
    A dark-skinned girl of about 20 sits down opposite. Reads the book "Programming in C ++". I’m already fucked up. We started talking. Student (I don't remember the university), specialization - to break the tongue from the abbreviation. Everything at once: electronics, programming, and microcontrollers ...
    Me: well, what do you learn from microcontrollers? She: but figs knows, I didn’t listen, it’s not necessary anyway! I AM LIKE?! She: ah ... downloaded the ready-made, told. Accepted, set "Excellent".
    Me: And if you need to work? how will you work without understanding the basics ?!
    she:, WHERE TO WORK SOME ON SPECIALTY ?! on Integral with 70-year-old electronic engineers sculpting on lamps, or with programmers who wrote on 4-bit machine codes ?! No, I’m not going to work there for 100 bucks. I’ll marry, I will give birth, but I won’t go!
    a curtain
  9. gamer
    gamer 30 January 2016 12: 27
    +1
    These clowns will hysteria, so that they simply don’t forget about them! Well, Europe doesn’t need them, they don’t need it! Europe is expanding due to a pathological fear of Russia, and they are accepting anyone in the EU anyway. It’s like a bald-headed kitten swells, hisses, and pisses himself out of fear!
  10. father
    father 30 January 2016 13: 14
    0
    In order not to clown out, therefore, they want the presence of the NATO military on an ongoing basis.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 16: 01
      +3
      But the meaning. There were some invaders, now others! the constant desire that there would be soldiers of a foreign country on earth.
      1. father
        father 30 January 2016 17: 09
        -4
        An ally is not an occupant ...
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: babai
          An ally is not an occupant ...


          And how do you define an ally as an occupier?
          Here, in my concept of the USSR, the USA, England in WWII are allies, because they are equal in strength. that is, the allies are avian in strength, and in your case, the master and master, because there are no forces to defend their interests
          1. father
            father 30 January 2016 17: 48
            -6
            There is no compulsion. Everything is different than in your scoop. EU-580 million population. US-320 million.
            1. Kostya Andreev
              Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 19: 25
              +2
              if you refuse the offers of the USA and the EU, they will not give you money, and they will appoint another president, and they will give the lands of Germany and Poland.
              You really think that John from Alabama, or Julio from Spain, will protect the Baltic states.
              Our scoop, built cities, built a fleet, taught how to use sartir, women in the scoop gave birth to Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, culture developed. and now there is no industry, no fleet, people are dying and dying. Kaput culture.
              You are the ass of Europe, not industry, not economy, transit ends.
              With allies such as the Young Europeans, the United States and enemies are not needed.
              Well, they said what population of the EU and the USA and what you wanted to say.
            2. avt
              avt 30 January 2016 19: 37
              +3
              Quote: babai
              There is no compulsion.

              laughing
              Quote: babai
              EU-580 million population.

              Bear two or three years old. Junker promised at least another 4 million refugees from Asia and Africa, and here in Lithuania they will correct demographics with the population. laughing
              Quote: babai
              Everything is different than in your scoop.

              good It is high time to put an end to the "scoop" in Lithuania, this "nightmarish" Stalinism wassat The time has ripened to transfer back to those who, with the boot of a Soviet soldier, recaptured the territories annexed to the Lithuanian SSR by the accursed, bloody tyrant "Stalin! It's high time, long time ago, for Lithuania to part with the territorial heritage of the" occupiers " laughing
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 30 January 2016 17: 58
          +4
          Quote: babai
          An ally is not an occupant ...

          Salaka and sprats are your allies. The states need you because they have a border with the Russian Federation.

          And "the problems of the Indians" (Lithuanians, Istons, Latvians, further - according to the list) - "the sheriff does not care."

          Somehow request
          1. father
            father 30 January 2016 18: 08
            -5
            The leader of the Indians is Vova
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            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 30 January 2016 18: 56
              +5
              Cool passenger .. only, it seems - a one-time request
            3. avt
              avt 30 January 2016 19: 52
              +3
              Quote: babai
              The leader of the Indians is Vova

              laughing Do not touch God Ukrov, your accomplices in a united brigade organized, but a good European brigade may turn out, Lyashka will also be appointed commander and a brigade will be appointed commander - three homosexuals and two reptiles. Pray ..... but to the US ATGM, Javelin. ! Here your god will be. Resolved - pray.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 January 2016 20: 04
                0
                Quote: avt
                Here is your god. Resolved - pray.

                There is such Alexander Grog (for example here - http://samlib.ru/g/grog_a/)

                Your rebuff to the guardian of sprat values ​​strongly reminded him .. Military Trebnik, for example:

                102
                Humiliating others to glorify themselves is a cheap and even shameful occupation, but this is not the case when you tease the enemy in anticipation of a farewell fight.

                205
                Turbid water always seems deep. Do not believe the muddy, do not put them near you. An affectionate tongue will break all bones. A transparent person is simple and uninteresting. But surround yourself with them, with time you will understand the beauty. Beauty in a simple, intricate, a lot of lies hidden.

                + 1000 to you, and my applause .. because I wanted to say the same, but the thought in my throat was stuck laughing
            4. alexej123
              alexej123 30 January 2016 23: 49
              0
              Hey "buddy", we do not offend "Krasnaya Dalya", we do not discuss her sex life. "The bazaar must be watched." The Indians are the Balts. You will soon have to be recorded in the Red Book.
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          2. Sunseich
            Sunseich 30 January 2016 19: 23
            0
            and what kind of flag: yellow, green, red?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 30 January 2016 19: 53
              0
              Quote: SanSeich
              and what kind of flag

              Lithuania. Well, I remember vain sprats there laughing
              1. Kuzyakin15
                Kuzyakin15 30 January 2016 20: 19
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Quote: SanSeich
                and what kind of flag

                Lithuania. Well, I remember vain sprats there laughing

                Is Istanbul in Lithuania?
                This pepper has, well, babai (Pop Gapon) - residence: Istanbul
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 30 January 2016 20: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Kuzyakin15
                  This pepper has, well, babai (Pop Gapon) - residence: Istanbul

                  On the fence "bolt" is written, and there is firewood .. the girls were climbing - they were checking laughing
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 1 February 2016 05: 48
        0
        An ally is not an occupier! And what then is this ... from the dressing room, the Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic does not like? lol
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 30 January 2016 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: babai
      therefore, they want the presence of NATO military on a permanent basis

      Maaaaama !!!!

      Some kindergarten ... hot Baltic guys erupted ..
  11. Megatron
    Megatron 30 January 2016 13: 16
    +5
    But father has said more than once that he is not going to fight "for Russia" and strongly complained that at all times the attackers on Russia swept across Belarus first.
  12. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 30 January 2016 13: 43
    +1
    What is that neck then? He pressed, and there is no that Lithuania. Napoleons are figs.
  13. Old warrior
    Old warrior 30 January 2016 14: 22
    +1
    I am for cooperation.
    1. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 16: 38
      +3
      Quote: Old Warrior
      I am for cooperation.

      And I’m not against it, but only somehow I didn’t want va-a-apche, well, for peace in the whole world, but quite specifically who with whom, on what issue and specifically how, and even to fix it on paper so that no one included, sayuznaye state "that does not have ANY normative documents defining -And what is it actually?
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  15. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 16: 26
    +2
    Belarusians calm down, no one is going to capture you, they’ll just buy you.
    But I wish you to be in Europe. I took out your fucking knitwear, fucking sausages, and so on, which take away our sales markets in Russia from our producers. It makes you sad that you are talking about independence.
    Pleased with the assertion that having 10 million people, Belarus buys weapons from the Russian Federation. what kind of cones. weapons cost tens of millions of dollars. where do you get the money from?
    1. Mentor
      Mentor 30 January 2016 16: 36
      +1
      You don’t have enough money to buy us ...
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      I got your fucking knitwear, fucking sausages, and so on, which rob our manufacturers of sales markets in Russia.

      My relatives in Volgograd, and friends in Moscow and other cities of Russia, are happy to buy Belarusian sausages, as well as stew and condensed milk. They say that in canned goods and sausage - meat, and in cans of condensed milk - real milk. Work better, and your products will be bought, the free market has stopped. As for light industry products, China is equally crushing everyone.
      1. Sunseich
        Sunseich 30 January 2016 17: 20
        +3
        no, mentor
        I was with you ... And not once, and not twice ...
        Kumovya in Minsk, his brother’s wife has roots from Gomol, buddies in Bobruisk
        godfather 3rd month without salary, godfather - 5th on breadcrumbs, since the office collapsed. As he said: "You won't believe it! I ride the tram like a hare ...".
        and he’s not a khukh-mukhra: an electronic engineer, a programmer of MK and PC, a site specialist - there is no work.

        Yesterday there was a familiar grandfather, relatives leave Belarus, they have already received Russian passports. There is no work, markets are closed - private entrepreneurs closed because taxes were simply pushed to zero, everyone is looking for work.
        if he hadn’t seen it personally, he would be silent.
      2. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 17: 21
        0
        You will not be bought with money, But cookies will give and happy future in the EU will promise.
        Well, if the products are so good, then trade in Europe. Nobody needs your products except the Russian Federation. And in Russia, with little desire, you can do without it. It is not fair when you produce products with cheap energy and compete with Russian manufacturers.
        And it doesn’t teach you Russians how to work. We are working, and in some ways, we are developing, and your country sits on subsidies from Russia. And how they work in Russia, you’ll ask your fellow countrymen who work here.
        It is China that is crushing you, but in our city you can buy Russian knitwear with better quality and at the same price or cheaper.
        1. Mentor
          Mentor 30 January 2016 17: 48
          +2
          Well, if you have a wealth of experience selling yourself for cookies, then I won’t argue ... And about the trade, you argue strangely. It’s impossible for us to trade in Russia, because the products are better and cheaper, then we are obliged to trade in Europe ... You won’t please you.
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          in our city you can buy Russian knitwear with better quality and at a price either the same or cheaper.

          So what do you resent the sale of Belarusian light industry? If yours is better and cheaper.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 18: 52
            +3
            I have no experience, but in the city there are many people from the country sold for cookies. Trade for health in the Russian Federation, just do not use the benefits, and if you use, then do not talk about independence. The products are of better quality (a moot point) because you do not pay domestic taxes and deductions paid by the manufacturers of the Russian Federation, plus cheap energy. and don’t pay the duties that western producers pay.
            For the same reason, your light industry is competing in Russia. trading with benefits on you interfere with our manufacturers. Sell ​​them in Europe.
  16. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 30 January 2016 17: 12
    +1
    here the main thing to remember one thing! Lukashenko officially! appropriated in the west the title of the last dictator of Europe! (do not remind winked Do people live in Europe with such a title? laughing ) and even after softening the rhetoric of the West in favor of Lukashenko, naturally they will not, he will not forget this! (in addition, he still managed in response to the assigned title live to call them fag winked ))) o0 O - this will not forget his fagot images, they will not forgive laughing ) therefore, both Europe and Lukasheko are well aware of what happens to people who have at least once been awarded such titles! and what will happen to him will he fall into the clutches of the Saaas most justified Hague courts in the world laughing
    so for all the seeming flirting of Lukashenko with a Europe to lure money! I am almost sure that he certainly does not experience any illusions!
    1. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 17: 22
      +3
      Quote: regressSSSR
      so for all the seeming flirting of Lukashenko with a Europe to lure money! I am almost sure that he certainly does not experience any illusions!

      “If you want to live, you won't be so sorry.”, Although he turned on the durku with the base and offered Russia a choice - a Hammer, or an anvil? But they did not give him money at 2,8% in the west. Again he came to the GDP. Money too did not receive, but restructuring - a reprieve, like given.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 30 January 2016 19: 26
      0
      Quote: regressSSSR
      with all the seeming flirting of Lukashenko with a Europe to lure money! I am almost sure that he certainly does not experience any illusions!

      And if he doesn’t, then why does he behave like an irreplaceable master who has a lot of money! Just like the navel of the earth!
      Or maybe he is like a kitten who hisses, ruffles hairs, pokes his eyes, and he himself writes with fear!
  17. Mentor
    Mentor 30 January 2016 17: 42
    +2
    Quote: SanSeich
    no, mentor
    I was with you ... And not once, and not twice ...
    Kumovya in Minsk, his brother’s wife has roots from Gomol, buddies in Bobruisk
    godfather 3rd month without salary, godfather - 5th on breadcrumbs, since the office collapsed. As he said: "You won't believe it! I ride the tram like a hare ...".
    and he’s not a khukh-mukhra: an electronic engineer, a programmer of MK and PC, a site specialist - there is no work.

    Yesterday there was a familiar grandfather, relatives leave Belarus, they have already received Russian passports. There is no work, markets are closed - private entrepreneurs closed because taxes were simply pushed to zero, everyone is looking for work.
    if he hadn’t seen it personally, he would be silent.

    To each - his own ... I have work at a state-owned enterprise above the roof, so I personally am perplexed in talking about the crisis, etc. I wish your relatives and friends happiness and success in Russia.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 18: 07
      -1
      And the money at the state enterprise from where?
      You are not talking about state enterprises! but about those people who do not work for them!
    2. Sunseich
      Sunseich 30 January 2016 19: 02
      +2
      I do not have direct relatives in Belarus))) something you misunderstood
      but I don’t know my client’s relatives.

      Kum will not go to any other country: he is a patriot. We are fools. Neither he nor I went to Montenegro when they called me, paid for everything, the whole family and permanent residence ... Unfortunately, his patriotism is on the verge of nationalism. He is often to blame for everything in Russia.
      But only I gave a loan. Although what we, Russian, terrible conquerors))

      when I was in Minsk for the first time, about 6-8 years ago, I was just bald. Even thought to move.
      But every year is getting worse and worse. It showed up in the little things: mate on the streets and trams, we didn’t let the godmother and pram cross the road because the traffic light didn’t work, drunk homeless people at the first stop on the way to Minsk, grannies collecting bottles from ballot boxes and right there with the same hands selling home-made bread rolls ...
      (I don’t remember the name, there is a monument, it is in the photo. I apologize for the quality - the phone is not an iPhone, it called anyway)))
      The last time was in March 2015. Dawned to ride.
  18. bed111
    bed111 30 January 2016 18: 08
    0
    Quote: avt
    Well, the campaign is the same Belarusian, or rather, the Grand Duke of the Sokolitvinsky analogue of Svidomo Velikokukra.

    Go deal with your "fifth column". We maintain order in our country, no one is trying to get in trouble. And what is there who gave to whom - the presidents will decide and the governments. This is not our business. It is necessary to work, and not to find out who delivered the S-400 to whom and for what. They put it, so it was necessary - neither AHL nor VVP will ask you.
    And the great-power habits seen here in the comments will amuse us. I say again: we have put things in order, here the opposition is quietly sitting and you can go out into the street at two in the morning, in any city. You aim at your place, and then you will threaten your finger, "scold" and teach us, but teach us how to behave. In this you are ridiculous, her god. You don't see a speck in your eye.
    1. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 18: 46
      +4
      Quote: bed111
      t. And what is there who gave it to whom-the presidents will decide and the government. This is not our business of the mind. It’s necessary to work, not to find out who for whom yes for what

      Well, get up from the computer and go up - practice, if
      Quote: bed111
      And the great-power manners passing through here in the comments will make us laugh.

      Laughing is not a hunt. By the way - Russia is not a "habits", but a really great power and who we are here and with whom "to deal" - we will decide for ourselves. That's when the government of Russia, Belarus, will lend, then you will point and point your finger and point out the garbage. In the meantime, put a candle in the temple for the fact that you, like Biden ykrov, does not build the GDP from one to two ranks, without looking at the righteousness.
    2. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 19: 38
      +2
      The order in Belarus, while the money goes from the Russian Federation. and Old Man in power.
      So the fact of the matter is that people work in Russia, and are very offended that it is easier to do business in Belarus and that Belarus gets advantages in trade with the Russian Federation.
      You can call my words great-power manners, but when you take advantage of the benefits at the level of the subject of the federation, then talking about independence is ridiculous.
      And who will row if there are a lot of zealous and active workers in the Russian Federation, and many here already get families.
      Regarding the lesson, where can we teach you Russian, you learned to grow apples and shrimp in a few months. so that we need to learn from you.
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 30 January 2016 18: 25
    +2
    No need to shit and there will be nothing to be afraid of !!!! Ie "bazaar" should be "filtered".
  20. bed111
    bed111 30 January 2016 18: 29
    +2
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    And the money at the state enterprise from where?
    You are not talking about state enterprises! but about those people who do not work for them!

    I work in a large private company in Minsk. Money is paid regularly. The company pays all taxes and makes indicators to the district. Everything's Alright...
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 18: 56
      +1
      Money private owners are not interested. they earn them. Moreover, your enterprise is large, and located in the capital, this is not correct, because in the Russian Federation there are also capitals and large private enterprises.
      The conversation was about how a person works at a state enterprise.
  21. bed111
    bed111 30 January 2016 19: 05
    -4
    Quote: avt
    who are we here and with whom to "deal" - we will decide for ourselves.


    You are nobody. And you don't decide anything. All that is needed - without you, whoever needs it, decided. And your "personal opinion" does not interest anyone, but me in the first place. I repeat, you are not Peskov, to even say something, not to decide, hiding behind the backs of others and shouting something behind there. And you will build your wife at home. Am I clear, I hope, put it? Dot...
    1. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: bed111
      You are nobody. And do not decide anything.

      In your servile consciousness, do you measure others and in terms of ranking build?
      Quote: bed111
      ... And your "personal opinion" does not interest anyone, but me in the first place.

      laughing "Oh, you're lying! You're lying to the Tsar!" laughing And to himself, if he had not lied, he would not have repeated himself in the solace of his own indifference. Yes, and even before hysterical consciousness from a loss of balance.
      Quote: bed111
      And you will build a wife at home. I clearly hopefully put it?

      Because even after
      Quote: bed111
      Dot...

      still slapped the ellipsis laughing The hand is issued by the Internet fighter then. laughing ,, Well, you come in .... if sho. " laughing
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  23. Mentor
    Mentor 30 January 2016 20: 01
    +1
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    And the money at the state enterprise from where?

    And we earn them, in fierce competition with private traders.
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    You are not talking about state enterprises! but about those people who do not work for them!

    What for? I only say what I know. I haven’t been working with private traders for ten years now, so I’m completely unaware of modern trends.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 21: 02
      +1
      State-owned enterprises, in fierce competition with private traders: already funny. I even guess who gets the advantage to pay all taxes and do indicators for the whole area. Well, we won’t discuss this.
      I will not even be interested in what your company is doing, where it takes the material and energy from for production, and which markets it is focused on. if there is no state support, your enterprise will be covered, the state cannot support everyone for a long time. Belarus is such a reserve remaining from the Union.
      I communicate with Belarusians, it feels like they stayed in the USSR. Healthy Russians have changed.
      I am not against Belarus, and Belarus, I am surprised by the hope of many people, because I alone do not have the resources, but having the desire to sit on two chairs to build a paradise in a single country.
      I want to warn about the allegations of sovereign manners. I don’t care who will be the president of the Russian Federation. Russian, Belarusian, crest, Georgians, Chechens, the main thing is that the people have the opportunity to work, and there is no shame and poverty for 90 years.
      1. avt
        avt 30 January 2016 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        , I am surprised by the hope of many people that alone without resources, but having the desire to sit on two chairs to build paradise in a single country.

        That's the trouble !!! Well, after all, we have already passed THIS with Ukraine! I remember when there was still no second Maidan, but it seems after the first, Pogrebinsky, who now nervously declares that now, after Crimea, Donbass should not leave Ukraine for free swimming, otherwise they will completely get used to in the heat of Bandera-Ukrainization without the Russians, imposingly lounging gave an interview to Kiselyov, well, this very one - “the Kremlin mouthpiece.” Where the thought spread so much that de Ukraine would be a kind of connecting bridge between Russia and Europe! wassat Kiselev then cut it so beautifully - the audience laughed when he said - “Well, yes. We have money for the bridge and its construction, and from you - the river " laughing Well, Belarus, in contrast to Ukraine, got EVEN LESS potential! And the habits are practically the same. Well, what kind of "equality" can there be with such a difference in potential in terms of resources and population! ??
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 21: 34
          0
          I totally agree.
          you and I understand this: Whoever has more shares is the most important.
  24. rfv0304
    rfv0304 30 January 2016 20: 47
    +2
    I served about 6 years in Lithuania (then it was the Lithuanian USSR and then it ended). I had to go there already in the 90s (so to speak, in the places of my "military glory"). What can I say? Historically Lithuanians are one of the Slavic tribes. By the way, they were the last to adopt Christianity. And only after a convincing "request" of the Prussian knights. In the Soviet era, mainly airborne troops were located on the territory of the Lithuanian SSR. Therefore, after the withdrawal of troops from Lithuania, there was no army left there (I was there and saw it myself). They tried to do something. But judge for yourself how anything can work out if drunks who were kicked out of the Soviet Army for drunkenness are put on the "top" command posts. So at that time Lithuania did not have an army.
    They are afraid of Vilnius because historically it was the Belorussian city of Vilna, just as Kaunas was called Kovno in the old days, and during the Great Patriotic War, when we liberated Klaipeda from the Germans, on the third day they found One Lithuanian. And there is nothing surprising because before the war it was the German city of Memel.
    It's a little bit about history, and now about people.
    Like us, the opinions of ordinary people and those in power are very different. But those who are now in power are very afraid that they will lose not only land, they are very afraid that they will lose power. Then they too will not seem a little. Judge for yourself what opinion Lithuanians might have by the surnames Ivanovas, Kiselevas, Sobakinas, Zhukovas, etc. (surnames are taken arbitrarily).
    1. father
      father 30 January 2016 21: 02
      -4
      folklore ... in my opinion complete nonsense that does not have any reality. Not one correct fact ... Have you finished three classes? Or without them then they took to the army?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 21: 14
        +2
        I am ashamed to ask, do not consider it an insult. Are you "Lavrov's words"?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 30 January 2016 22: 13
          +1
          Is this about D .., B ..?

          Very out of place, if so ..
        2. father
          father 30 January 2016 22: 35
          0
          [1] Historically, Lithuanians are one of the Slavic tribes [/ i].
          the Baltic people, most of whom live in Lithuania. The Baltics, the Baltic peoples are the collective name of the peoples of Indo-European origin (native speakers of the Baltic languages) who inhabited in the past the territories of the modern Baltic states, Belarus, Poland (Suvalkia, southern Prussia) and Russia (Kaliningrad region, part Smolensk, Bryansk and some nearby areas) and now inhabiting Latvia and Lithuania [1].
          {2} [i] And only after a convincing "request" of the Prussian knights [/ i]
          .... a long and complicated process was the conversion to Catholicism in 1386 of the Grand Duke of Lithuania Jagiello and his cousin Vitovt, and Jagiello's accession to the throne of the king of Poland.
          What does the Prussian knights have to do with it? Incidentally, the Teutonic Knights ....
          {3)
          [i] On the territory of the Lithuanian SSR in Soviet times, there were mainly airborne troops [/ i]


          107th Motor Rifle Division, 384th High Power Artillery Brigade, 367th Separate Helicopter Regiment, 9th Engineer-Sapper Regiment; 434th separate pontoon-bridge battalion; 918th jet artillery regiment; 1044th Separate Airborne Assault Battalion; 5191st BHI; 3rd Guards
          Volnovakha motorized rifle division (headquarters in Klaipeda) 7th Guards. VDD
          Deployment: headquarters and 108th (Kaunas), 119th (Kapsukas), 97th pdp (Alytus), 1137th ap (Kalvaria) 44th school Guards VDD 301st (Gayzhunay), 226th and 285th (both in Rukla) UPDP, as well as UAP. In 1987 it was reorganized into the 242nd ATC.
          332th ensign school

          Further beyond criticism even more .....
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 23: 43
            +1
            Well, what did you want to say is that the Indo-European language family. which includes the Baltic-Slavic language group. Estonian does not apply to them; it belongs to Finno-Ugric. This we knew.
            The full name is Grand Duchess Russian, Lithuanian and Zhmudsky. Modern Belarusians have much more rights to be called Lithuania, and modern Lithuania is Zhmud. and about this, too, in the know.
            And who is Julia Tverskaya?
            Well, were the paratroopers there? And in Tallinn there was a Baltic Fleet base. And Dudaev flew to Tartu. so what?

            When Lithuania will return the occupied lands of Germany, Poland, Belarus.
            1. father
              father 31 January 2016 13: 55
              -1
              ... you do not call the Poles the Baltics ... or the Russian Germans ... Your territorial claims are ridiculous. Neither Poland nor Germany, and they are not. At
              what are you here .... You became the subject of history in its present form only in 1991. The Rusyns of the Grand Duchy and the current Belarusanity with the Pesnyary have nothing in common.
              And as for the titles, so the Russian tsars also called themselves the Great Princes of Lithuania, but UTB did not make them more legitimate or Lithuanians ...
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 31 January 2016 19: 32
                +1
                They were made "legitimate Lithuanians" by two allies of Russia - the army and the navy. The arguments of these allies were very convincing for Lithuanians, Latgalians, Latvians, etc.
                1. father
                  father 1 February 2016 01: 56
                  0
                  A pair of arguments ... As a fear, not a single godfather held out for a long time. So it will be with the present ...
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 January 2016 21: 38
        +2
        Quote: babai
        folklore ... Not one correct fact ...

        Yeah, some wrong facts here. belay laughing
  25. bed111
    bed111 30 January 2016 21: 50
    +2
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    State-owned enterprises, in fierce competition with private traders: already funny. I even guess who gets the advantage to pay all taxes and make indicators for the whole area. Well, we will not discuss this.

    Well, for some reason, discussing such things is both possible and necessary. The market, of course, our products are international. And if I would say the brand, or at least call the industry, you would understand everything and guess. But I do not think it is worth.
    In principle, there are options in Belarus - you can work “under the roof” of a major official or department, or without it. The apostates will still have to pay - in the form of regular levies for the needs of local authorities, for the construction of facilities, the opening of monuments, major events, and support for local youth movements.
    Practiced in Belarus and such projects as voluntary sale and transfer to promising companies of unprofitable agricultural enterprises - collective and state farms. Our collective farm "set on its feet." Many did not succeed.

    They are afraid only of the presidential vertical, his team or friends. They can "squeeze" the business if they decide to do it. But this requires either the personal consent of "Father" or the head of the region, if the production is located on the outskirts. At the same time, there should be a share of the state in this business or state money. Then they will definitely be taken away, if that. In our case, there is no such share of the state and we do not go into politics.
    There are many enterprises like ours - including those in the defense industry - good, strong private traders who are doing a good job. I can give examples, there are even those that are introducing stealth technologies on military equipment. It happens that it is simply impossible to implement public administration in such a company, since no one understands how to do it. For example, no one climbs into an IT company because no one understands how to run them. Therefore, we have this game - World Of Tanks. While they figured out how to withdraw money from them, they had already moved to Cyprus. We tried to create a state operator of cellular communications - the idea failed, the business was sold to foreigners. It is flourishing now.
    In principle, the presidential "lads" are not interested in such companies, where the innovation component is great - it is difficult for them. They took over the construction business and part of the production, the products of which can be sold abroad. In some places, they miscalculated, for example, with cement plants and woodworking, which were modernized too late in order to occupy at least some niches in the market. The state is clumsy, even here it thinks for a long time. As a result, the president jailed some of the leaders in these areas.

    Well, something like this. Here it is - no one will buy anything here, because they simply will not let anyone in. Belarus is the business of the president and his brotherhood. With whom it is necessary - they agree.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 30 January 2016 22: 14
      +1
      Thanks for the detailed answer. Very interesting, But then a question arose, discussed at the forum why Belarusians do not want to unite with Russia. I received the answer that in Russia there is corruption and thieves, and from your answer, it follows that you are not all honest in power.
      I think Belarus will not sit on two chairs for a long time. And the choice will have to do!
    2. avt
      avt 30 January 2016 23: 57
      +1
      Quote: bed111
      Well, something like this. Here it is - no one will buy anything here, because they simply will not let anyone in. Belarus is the business of the president and his brotherhood. With whom it is necessary - they agree.

      Finally ! At least something sensible.
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      But then a question arose, discussed at the forum why Belarusians do not want to unite with Russia. I received an answer that corruption and thieves in Russia, and from your answer it follows that you are not all honest in power.

      Well it is, on the surface. The thing is different
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      why Belarusians do not want to unite with Russia.

      Because in ALL, especially the small ex-Soviet republics, the national "elite" inherited from the collapse of the USSR uses nationalism of varying intensity to maintain their own power. Well, they simply DO NOT have a real ideology comparable to the same communist one, that's all. And the use in the fragment of the empire of playing the national card that substantiates the unity for the population, in addition to familiarizing with antiquity, well, there to consider oneself a descendant of Chingiz, Iskender Macedoni and simply Protoukrov, implies AUTOMATICALLY opposition to that state formation from the ex-Soviet republics, which actually inherits the empire. Well, how to explain to people that in 1991 the country was drunk in three solely for the sake of possessing all the benefits that can be squeezed out of the territory under its jurisdiction? Naturally, by the centuries-old oppression of the imperialist chauvinists. The intensity is different, but the essence is the same, but in such situations, who voluntarily your piece of power dep Ast, and even with a guaranteed not to get to the throne in the Kremlin, which Butzka tried on in his dummies, and the National Academy of Sciences, or rather Kazakhs, blurted out - there was not a single Kazakh member of the palette bureau of the CPSU Central Committee. It's a shame, you understand. Even the same aspiration to the EU, Well, in addition to the competent distribution of young people by the Europeans themselves, personnel are trained, carried out by national "elites" only as a tool, again, in the struggle against the ex-empire.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 31 January 2016 00: 43
        +1
        Kunaev was a member of the Politburo for many years.))
        1. avt
          avt 31 January 2016 10: 34
          +1
          Quote: avt
          or, rather, the Kazakhs blabbed out - not a single member of the palette bureau of the CPSU Central Committee was among the Kazakhs.

          Quote: Sergej1972
          Kunaev was a member of the Politburo for many years.))

          I almost literally wrote what I wrote here on the site in the comments in response.
  26. Sunseich
    Sunseich 30 January 2016 21: 59
    0
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: SanSeich
    and what kind of flag

    Lithuania. Well, I remember vain sprats there laughing

    Mlyn
    excuse me for toftology: didn’t she die yet?
    I heard about it about 20 years ago last time))) Just at school))))
  27. bed111
    bed111 30 January 2016 23: 40
    +1
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    Thanks for the detailed answer. Very interesting, But then a question arose, discussed at the forum why Belarusians do not want to unite with Russia. I received the answer that in Russia there is corruption and thieves, and from your answer, it follows that you are not all honest in power.
    I think Belarus will not sit on two chairs for a long time. And the choice will have to do!


    This is a separate, big topic. I think I can answer, here is the time ...
    It may sound paradoxical, but the issue of unification with the Russian Federation has not been raised in our country since the beginning of the 20s. The country has been "brewed" in "its own juice" for XNUMX years and it suits everyone. First of all, the president's team and his family. Well, think for yourself, who will they become if the country becomes part of the Russian Federation? Answer: nobody. Each of them will be possible to easily replace, restrain, punish - and so on. And for them, their position is part of big business, family well-being, prospects. Now they will look for and find a way to transfer power by inheritance and happiness "will last forever" :-). Therefore, the biggest guarantor of the independence of Belarus is its president, no matter how strange it may sound. And they only talk to him, since there is no one else.

    Now I will talk about the opposition. The opposition itself is powerless in Belarus. They can't do anything, in principle. All articles about opposition written here are not true. A professional oppositionist is a stigma in Belarus for life. We do not like Svidomo. A written oppositionist will not be hired for any decent job. The life of a full-time "democrat" takes place under supervision, at home, and, if anything, in a cell. The KGB and the police are regular guests in the homes and apartments of the opposition. The opposition is riddled with police and KGB agents. I'm talking, of course, about a serious opposition - there are about 400 people in total.

    The opposition has only one powerful weapon - the Western and Russian liberal media, as well as foreign diplomats in Belarus. They are actively lobbying the interests of Svidomo, supplying them with money, providing grants, and teaching abroad. Thanks to such support, any clash between the opposition and the authorities provokes noise and publicity abroad. Naturally, the opposition hates Russia, as the western masters of "Svidomo" hate it. The opposition also has its own reasons to hate Russia, the Svidomo see it as a major competitor who can prevent Belarus from being "pulled" into the arms of Europe and the United States.

    Thus, in our country there are two forces that are against rapprochement with Russia. And this, unfortunately, is the largest force that can do anything here. We have no other policy.

    For 15 years, both the authorities and the opposition have been thoroughly "blurring" the idea of ​​reunification. The authorities replaced it with "brotherly friendship", and the oppa - with hatred of the "bloody empire" and the new generation has grown up on local values, without this global idea. And the choice, of course, will have to be made. But, apparently, not ours, but the future generation. And it is not known what they will choose there in years ...

    Here is the answer.
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    2. alexej123
      alexej123 31 January 2016 00: 00
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      The honest answer of an honest person. Thanks.
    3. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 31 January 2016 00: 32
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      It is interesting that such a turn of speech, in Russia, they say, we will unite (we will not join), and we will join the Republic of Belarus. Although it may be so, for us it will unite as with equals, but for you to enter.
      In the last paragraph, I do not agree, the choice will be made with our generation. Why I think so: I proceed from your comments, that the cooperation is deepening and expanding, and my indignation at the fact that goods from the Republic of Belarus are not sold as foreign goods. And there are a lot of Belarusians in Russia.
      In short, wait and see!
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    Sunseich 31 January 2016 08: 09
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    in our town and in the regional center, almost all shops with inscriptions like "Cosmetics of Belarus" (everything is Polish or Turkish), "shoes of Belarus" were closed (before, yes, I personally bought only that way. The last 2 years, Turkish or non-name, of the worst quality) , "sausages of Belarus" (I don't see any difference, the only composition on each sausage is in large letters :)
    Neither Ukraine, nor Belarus, nor past republics need such ones: after all, they need to be fed, taken care of ...))
    Everything is banal: a barrier. Between the right ones and the wrong ones. No more no less
    At this moment, giving loans is CHEAPER than feeding yourself.
    BUT as soon as someone from Above thinks that "well, it's time!", Then the mass propaganda will brainwash everyone.
  29. bed111
    bed111 31 January 2016 09: 17
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    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    It is interesting that such a turn of speech, in Russia, they say, we will unite (we will not join), and we will join the Republic of Belarus. Although it may be so, for us it will unite as with equals, but for you to enter.


    Well, here you are - a person who thinks logically, and we (probably), adults, how do you imagine the "union" of such different states on an equal basis? Okay, let's leave aside Lukashenka's ambitions. But do you really think that the GDP will allow someone to make decisions on an equal footing, share power in the country, and give part of the resources to Lukashenka and his friends? You are either an idealist or live very old attitudes. It will not be possible to "unite" on equal terms, since no one will give power in Russia to be divided. Accordingly, it is only possible to "join the composition", which will definitely not suit the Belarusian establishment.


    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    In the last paragraph, I do not agree, the choice will be made with our generation. Why I think so: I proceed from your comments, that the cooperation is deepening and expanding, and my indignation at the fact that goods from the Republic of Belarus are not sold as foreign goods. And there are a lot of Belarusians in Russia.
    In short, wait and see!


    There will be no choice. Everything will remain as it is. Because there are no other options. In Europe, no one waits for Lukashenka and they won't give him money there. But he will never give up independence either, since Belarus is his own and very profitable business. So it will "hang out". Will find a successor. And this is another 20 years.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 31 January 2016 20: 09
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      I decided to answer you. Equality fails. too different resources, potential, economy, and so on. etc. You can be offended but if there is a union, then at the level of the federation, as a subject.
      It's not about GDP, or PPP, or LPV, or AHL. the point is a single central authority, which no one shares. Regarding Lukoshenko and the company, the Russians, including me, are on the drum. Concerned about what will happen to the residents, how they will survive it, given the fact that Belarus is the remaining reserve of the Union. I'm not talking about those who have business in the Russian Federation, work, live. they are used to and built in, but for ordinary residents of the Republic of Belarus it can be a shock. You live in other economic conditions.
      That's why I say that they will simply buy you (not in the plan of each Belarusian, but energy, transport structures, factories, and so on.
      It is necessary to choose, because you will not sit on two chairs for a long time
  30. bed111
    bed111 31 January 2016 09: 31
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    Quote: SanSeich
    in our town and in the regional center, almost all shops with inscriptions like "Cosmetics of Belarus" (everything is Polish or Turkish), "shoes of Belarus" were closed (before, yes, I personally bought only that way. The last 2 years, Turkish or non-name, of the worst quality) , "sausages of Belarus" (I don't see any difference, the only composition on each sausage is in large letters :)


    I will not praise our sausages, cosmetics or shoes. Most likely, they are no worse for you, and maybe they are much better. The only thing I know for sure is that we have nothing burnt in our shops in Belarus.
  31. Sunseich
    Sunseich 31 January 2016 10: 05
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    I don’t know about "paleonka" in Belarus, because I only bought shoes for myself, sweets at the railway station and tincture "Master of Herbs" in a special store :)
  32. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 31 January 2016 19: 00
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    ... you do not call the Poles the Baltics ... or the Russian Germans ... Your territorial claims are ridiculous. Neither Poland nor Germany, and they are not. At
    what are you here .... You became the subject of history in its present form only in 1991. The Rusyns of the Grand Duchy and the current Belarusanity with the Pesnyary have nothing in common.
    And as for the titles, so the Russian tsars also called themselves the Great Princes of Lithuania, but UTB did not make them more legitimate or Lithuanians ...


    There will be problems. Just try to show your opinion before the allies, and they will refuse to fulfill their requirements, and Vilnius (Vilnius) - 537 152 inhabitants.
    Kaunas, Klaipeda, Šiauliai, Panevezys, Alytus, and other cities will return to their true owners. And it is not fair that Lithuania, taking advantage of the patronage of a great power, has seized the land and does not want to give it back.
    When the Russian tsars called themselves titles. Zhmud lived in swamps, and Lithuania was a great state.
    Everything returns to square one, you are the ass of Europe, neither industry, nor economy, not transit. The erratic goal.
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      father 1 February 2016 02: 08
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      Zhmud was the headman of Lithuania. The question of backfill is to check your logic. When they baptized Lithuania in 1387, why didn’t they baptize the Rusyns? If you are the heir to Liva, why are you Orthodox? seriously, we have the same antihistorically and not scientific nonsense experienced at the end of the nineteenth century. The wave reached you only now. By the way, Lukashenka is right about you as regards the genesis of the Belarusian statehood.
    2. Scraptor
      Scraptor 1 February 2016 06: 17
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      Quote: babai
      On April 10, 2015, the defense ministers of five countries of Northern Europe - Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland - issued a joint declaration on the need to counter Russia. They called the actions of the Russian authorities the biggest threat to European security. To counter Russia, the authors of the declaration propose to conduct more joint exercises, actively exchange intelligence and cooperate in the fight against cyber attacks. The statement also says about the need for cooperation with the Baltic countries.

      In August 2014, Finnish Minister of Defense Karl Haglund announced that Finland and Sweden would open their territories to accommodate NATO’s rapid reaction forces. The Alliance’s Rapid Response Troops will be able to freely move through the territories of Finland and Sweden in the event of disasters, emergencies, threats to the security of these countries, as well as during exercises. Finland and Sweden, for their part, are committed to supporting and supporting the alliance forces.

      I wonder how Iceland ended up on this list? laughing
      In principle, one which has a chance to stay from all of NATO (including the United States), if taken seriously.
      By the way, Sweden then finally flies out to be a neutral country, and Finland generally violates the 1944 peace treaty, with all that it implies in the future ... Or does their history teach nothing, because the punishment for participating in the Siege of Leningrad was too lenient?
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  35. bed111
    bed111 1 February 2016 13: 30
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    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    I decided to answer you. Equality fails. too different resources, potential, economy, and so on. etc. You can be offended but if there is a union, then at the level of the federation, as a subject.
    It is not a matter of GDP, or PPP, or AP, or AHL. matter in a single central authority, which no one shares.

    So I interpreted this to you already above, twice. The structure of the Russian Federation of Belarus to enter will not give their own - and the government and the opposition against.

    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    Worried about what will happen to the residents, how they will survive, given that Belarus is the remaining reserve of the Union.

    Yes, nothing will happen, no one is going to join in any way. There will be "brotherly" friendship. This, in my opinion, has long been clear to everyone.

    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    That's why I say that they will simply buy you (not in the plan of each Belarusian, but energy, transport structures, factories, and so on.

    For xNUMX to do this, obtain permission. I will tell you, you may not know, but here there are always walkers from Europe and Russia. Offer to buy something, yes it is. Constantly. But without the permission of the authorities, it is forbidden to alienate anything - private or public. It happens, but it happens that it is sold back, quite often. There are many examples.

    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    It is necessary to choose, because you will not sit on two chairs for a long time

    I understand you, you are for the idea of ​​reunification. I don't mind, but objectively it's impossible. Here the authorities are against. The opposition is against. As you yourself have noticed, this is not very convenient for the people. Therefore, as long as Lukashenka and his Kolya or someone else of them are in power, nothing will happen. And if they surrender power to the opposition, then the country will simply fall under America ... It's not that simple. More precisely, not just from the word "absolutely".