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Self-propelled "Carnation" in Syria

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SAU 21 "Gvozdika" for today the most massive self-propelled gun in the Syrian government forces, their number is close to four hundred, according to Messenger of Mordovia.


Self-propelled "Carnation" in Syria


"The crew of the" Carnations "- 4 person. Self-propelled gun mass - 15,7 t. Length - 7,26 m. Height - 2,74 m. Width - 2,85 m. Engine produced by the Yaroslavl Motor Plant YMZ-238Н with turbocharging, power 300 hp Maximum speed on the highway - 60 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 500 km ", - leads the author characteristics of the installation.

The main armament of the Carnations is the 122-mm howitzer 2А31, produced by plant No. 9 in the Sverdlovsk Region. Its firing range is more than 15 km, the weight of the projectile is 21 kg.

The publication reminds that from 1969 to 1991, the Gvozdika was produced in the Ukrainian SSR at the Kharkov Tractor Plant.



“As part of the Syrian regular troops, the ACS began to take part in hostilities against terrorists almost from the very beginning of the armed conflict. In addition to working from closed positions, 2C1 is very often used to strengthen roadblocks and strong points. In these cases, they have to work direct fire, very often being under the direct fire of the enemy, who uses guided missiles, ”the author writes.

Meanwhile, easy booking of cars does not protect even against old jet anti-tank grenades. Therefore, the Syrians defended some installations with artisanal lattice screens.

“2С1 has once again demonstrated the simplicity and reliability that were traditionally characteristic of most of the equipment developed in the Soviet Union. Of course, at the present time the variants of “Carnations”, which are in service with the Syrians, are already outdated. In Russia, these self-propelled guns received automated guidance and fire control systems, which the Syrian artillerymen can only dream of so far, ”concludes the publication.

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  1. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 28 January 2016 14: 12 New
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    Old not old, what difference does it make to beat nits!
    1. Kars
      Kars 28 January 2016 14: 16 New
      20
      Something is not enough illustrations. It is a pity

    2. Uran
      Uran 28 January 2016 17: 53 New
      +2
      yes even a tank t 34. if it is useful to kill the igil. why not
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 28 January 2016 14: 14 New
    +5
    In Russia, these self-propelled guns received automatic guidance and fire control systems, which the Syrian gunners can only dream of

    Dreams tend to come true. Moreover, for the Syrian Armed Forces, this is more than an actual postulate. New types of weapons, such as TOS "Solntsepek" and T-90, for example, are already in full use. Why not have a modernized "Carnation" appear?
    1. russmensch
      russmensch 28 January 2016 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      In Russia, these self-propelled guns received automatic guidance and fire control systems, which the Syrian gunners can only dream of

      The automated fire control system for "carnations" began to enter the troops back in 1978. Then I saw her for the first time. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then and the "flower" is already leaving the arena. But for Syria and ISIS it will work just right.
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 28 January 2016 17: 06 New
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      Appeared. It is called "Host". In Perm, at the Motovilikhinsky factories, it turned out to be so illiterately designed that the Ministry of Defense, crossing its elbow, refused further serial purchases.
  3. donavi49
    donavi49 28 January 2016 14: 16 New
    +7
    In DeZe they are used as tanks for direct fire.
  4. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 28 January 2016 14: 18 New
    +1
    Good equipment, but by modern standards, the firing range is not large.
  5. shultc
    shultc 28 January 2016 14: 21 New
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    To friends with love, to enemies at the grave!
    1. muks
      muks 28 January 2016 15: 04 New
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      old anecdote: A peaceful Soviet tractor was fired from the Chinese side while processing arable land. Having suppressed enemy firing points with massive rocket salvos, the tractor returned to its native MTS on a low-level flight. The head of MTS, Colonel General Popov, thanked the crew of the tractor, and Minister of Agriculture Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov said that if it happens again, we will send planters, winders and threshers with vertical take-off to the fields!
      1. Ardein
        Ardein 28 January 2016 15: 36 New
        +3
        Other anecdotes about "file revision" come to mind ...)))
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  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 28 January 2016 14: 24 New
    +3
    The Syrians still need to leave the "acacias" and help with the modernization of those in service.
    1. Ardein
      Ardein 28 January 2016 15: 39 New
      +1
      And it is possible to increase the combat skills of the crews and provide them with timely intelligence data and data for real-time fire correction ...
      For this, drones are used as a rule, and we have them.
  7. ydjin
    ydjin 28 January 2016 14: 24 New
    +1
    Eh, to help with the modernization of these legends of Russian weapons, well, or to throw more modern modifications, people are dying there ...
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 January 2016 14: 38 New
    +4
    The publication reminds that from 1969 to 1991, the Gvozdika was produced in the Ukrainian SSR at the Kharkov Tractor Plant.

    And what Ukraine is releasing now .. Such an industry has collapsed! And in Syria, I think, they are slowly testing our latest military equipment. The devils are screaming ..
    1. Ardein
      Ardein 28 January 2016 15: 51 New
      +2
      These are only initial tests.
      With the same robotics, everything is not so obvious, the question is how the systems will show themselves if they work in the zone of operation of enemy electronic warfare systems (and how reliable the control and data exchange channels will be).
      1. shans2
        shans2 28 January 2016 16: 42 New
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        "Platform m" differs in that it can work in general autonomously in certain squares specified by the program ... therefore, unlike Uranus, it is not offered for export, the main work algorithms are ... programming)
  9. Woodman
    Woodman 28 January 2016 14: 40 New
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    Self-propelled guns 2S1 "Carnation" today the most massive self-propelled gun in the Syrian government forces, their number is approaching four hundred,


    Four hundred "carnations" - a serious bunch!
    1. Ardein
      Ardein 28 January 2016 15: 37 New
      +3
      Such a bouquet will quickly fade if you scatter flowers without thinking too much about tactics.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 January 2016 17: 23 New
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        Why don't you like it? There is a possibility, drove the self-propelled guns for direct fire. Shooting from closed targets will not give such accuracy. In addition, it is generally difficult in cities with high-rise buildings.
  10. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 28 January 2016 14: 42 New
    +4
    Made in the USSR, that’s it. bully
  11. Lopatov
    Lopatov 28 January 2016 14: 56 New
    +2
    In Russia, these self-propelled guns received automatic guidance and fire control systems, which the Syrian gunners can only dream of

    As well as thermonuclear transclusers, which the Syrian gunners also dream of ... 8)))))))))

    Damn, they completely lied. 2С1 in the RF Armed Forces are purposefully dragged to storage bases in readiness for a saw with pins and needles (art. Part) and possible alteration into "Host". If not all have already been dragged away ... It is quite possible that in five years they will be completely removed from service.
    1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Great-grandfather of Zeus 28 January 2016 15: 40 New
      +1
      Shovels-quite a while you were not on the site-I read your comments as a specialist with pleasure.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 January 2016 17: 24 New
        +1
        There was a lot of work ...
    2. Ardein
      Ardein 28 January 2016 15: 43 New
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      Well, there are also more interesting art systems. There is such a thing as "modernization potential". It is quite possible that with Carnation, he already does little.
      For comparison, you can look at what the "Coalition" has become. It was a rather interesting issue of "Military acceptance" (liquid cooling system of the barrel and its verification + other).
      Much more interesting is the fate of projects like the same 2C31 "Vienna" ... I don't remember hearing anything about it lately.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 January 2016 17: 18 New
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        The point is not the potential for modernization, it is the caliber. Replace with 152 wherever possible.
        Yes, there are "Nona" and "Nona-shaped", but there is another 122-mm projectile, with ready-made projections for grooves.

        With “Vienna” so far everything has died out, however, as well as with “Host”. Even the last one seemed too expensive for battalion artillery... At the same time, they are not a qualitative leap like 2C35 "Coalition"
        1. Bredovich705
          Bredovich705 28 January 2016 19: 26 New
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          Nona 120 mm exactly!
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 January 2016 15: 22 New
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    Sand in Syria like a swamp! The wheels are on the floor in the sand! Self-propelled guns are just music for Syria.
  13. kirpich
    kirpich 28 January 2016 15: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Lesovik
    Self-propelled guns 2S1 "Carnation" today the most massive self-propelled gun in the Syrian government forces, their number is approaching four hundred,


    Four hundred "carnations" - a serious bunch!


    Especially an even number yes
  14. Signaller
    Signaller 28 January 2016 15: 54 New
    +4
    As they show on TV "News from Syria", tanks of the T-55-T-62 type often conduct fire. Sometimes the T-72. Here the question arises, why ???????? No other artillery ????? The survivability of a tank barrel is 500 shots, approximately. And the barrel of a 122 mm cannon Carnation - and 3000 shots - like from a bush. And most importantly, there is protection from rifle fire and shrapnel .. As they say, "cheap and cheerful." The economy in war is also a serious matter. Why kill for millions, when and for a hundred you can. Good luck to the Syrians
  15. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 28 January 2016 15: 56 New
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    good machine
  16. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 28 January 2016 16: 00 New
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    In short, in Syria there is a bouquet of 401st "Carnations" (in health).
    Let the Syrian military use this "bouquet" correctly.
  17. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 28 January 2016 16: 32 New
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    More good and different equipment for the Syrian gunners!
  18. triglav
    triglav 28 January 2016 16: 33 New
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    The machine is good. And you need to use it to the maximum.
  19. komissar1973
    komissar1973 28 January 2016 17: 14 New
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    Quote: Signaller
    As they show on TV "News from Syria", tanks of the T-55-T-62 type often conduct fire. Sometimes the T-72. Here the question arises, why ???????? No other artillery ????? The survivability of a tank barrel is 500 shots, approximately. And the barrel of a 122 mm cannon Carnation - and 3000 shots - like from a bush. And most importantly, there is protection from rifle fire and shrapnel .. As they say, "cheap and cheerful." The economy in war is also a serious matter. Why kill for millions, when and for a hundred you can. Good luck to the Syrians

    Well done, a 2C1 signalman with 1500 meters of NSVT sews a BZT bullet for a take-off starting from the NLD ending with aft, an SVD with a 600 BZ bullet for a take-off tower plus a panorama, plus 123 and you think tanks a little when we write (((.
  20. komissar1973
    komissar1973 28 January 2016 17: 20 New
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    And a little more judging by the color and safety of the cars, all the photos except the top car (Voentorg) and the top photo are most likely Armenia, Tajikistan but not Syria for sure.
  21. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 28 January 2016 22: 41 New
    0
    in skillful hands this can do