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The US Air Force Minister has calculated how much you need to have your own rocket engines to avoid dependence on the Russian Federation.

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America should have at its disposal 18 domestic rocket engines, in order not to depend on Russian RD-180 anymore, reports RIA News statement by the US Air Force Secretary Deborah James.




"This amount seems reasonable to us to become competitive while we are moving away from complete dependence on Russian engines," said James at the Senate hearing.

However, she noted that the limitations in the military budget limit the capabilities of the military department.

“Unfortunately, the provisions of the defense budget for the 2016 fiscal year limit our ability to develop rocket engines, but we obey these requirements,” the minister said.

Russian RD-180 are used in the first stage of Atlas missiles, and to date the American defense industry has failed to create a domestic counterpart. At the end of last year, Energomash announced the signing of an additional agreement with the United States for the supply of more 20 engines.

Earlier it was reported that congressmen allocated $ 220 million for the development of a new engine.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 28 January 2016 09: 47
    25
    "US Air Force Secretary Deborah James .... Deborah !!!" - I was crying! laughing

    .... It’s good that Serdyukov was removed from us ...........
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 January 2016 10: 04
      15
      Quote: Finches
      "US Air Force Secretary Deborah James .... Deborah !!!" - I was crying! laughing

      .... It’s good that Serdyukov was removed from us ...........



      Another would be to do so that such "Serdyukovs" would not fall into power.
      1. Finches
        Finches 28 January 2016 10: 08
        +8
        Victor! hi
        Now liberal comrades, amateurs of the Serdyukovschina, will rush in and will begin to prove that you are wrong and do not appreciate the scale of the practical usefulness of Anatoly as Minister of Defense, and I will be accused of misogyny! laughing
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 28 January 2016 17: 59
        0
        Quote: cniza
        so that such "Serdyukovs" do not fall into power.

        Unfortunately, Serdyukov is still in power and in the military department. It’s not all stolen!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 28 January 2016 10: 08
      34
      Quote: Wedmak
      Americans know how to count money.

      Of course they can. hi
      1. paxil
        paxil 28 January 2016 11: 11
        +9


        Yes, no laughing The director of these Hollywood productions admitted before his death that the entire pavilion was filmed. There was no such opportunity then, and now hardly. One big (true lie).
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 28 January 2016 14: 18
          +1
          Today on the radio from "English scientists" they calculated that depending on the number of those initiated into the secret, the storage period of this secret depends, so in 4 years, according to their calculations, we will find out the truth about the landing on the moon.
        2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Sweles
      Sweles 28 January 2016 10: 20
      +5
      America should have at its disposal 18 domestic rocket engines in order not to depend on Russian RD-180 anymore, reports RIA Novosti the statement of the US Air Force Minister Deborah James.

      Well Duc f1 dig up from your "glorious past" and you will be happy, why are you all around the bush, where are all these Apolons and Skylebs? Arkhipych with Savitskaya Gora stand for pin_dos and their moon, which means that F1 is not ethereal and paper, but like real, thrust 690t, put a couple on the atlas and fly yourself, what are the problems? But the Americans can only fool their heads, the country is so ...
      1. Andrey78
        Andrey78 28 January 2016 13: 24
        +1
        What does f-1 need to return, call the spirit of Werner von Braun
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 28 January 2016 13: 42
          +1
          Quote: Andrey78
          What does f-1 need to return, call the spirit of Werner von Braun

          And he was ??? Was that engine with the right thrust to drive to the moon ??? The question does not come to itself: WAS_WERE? The answer is obvious. Nobody would buy anything from a technologically "backward" Russia. DOT!!!
    4. shooter18
      shooter18 28 January 2016 10: 36
      +1
      Che then her eyes are red)) from Budun or something
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 28 January 2016 10: 56
        +2
        Che then her eyes are red)) from Budun or something
        --------------------------------------------
        What is Deborah, a stone flower does not come out?
      2. Stinger
        Stinger 28 January 2016 11: 38
        +1
        No, not with a hangover. From the strain of thought.
    5. V.ic
      V.ic 28 January 2016 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      It’s good that Serdyukov was removed from us ..

      It is a pity that they removed, but not eliminated.
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 28 January 2016 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: Finches
        It’s good that Serdyukov was removed from us ..

        It is a pity that they removed, but not eliminated.

        Family relations explain everything.
        Reference: Victor Zubkov is married, has a daughter who is married to a former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov.
        Vitya patted.
    6. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 January 2016 11: 30
      +8
      Quote: Finches
      "US Air Force Secretary Deborah James .... Deborah !!!" - I was crying!

      But is it, an hour, not a man redone? From them, from tolerant Americans, anything can be expected ...

      He didn't do anything specifically with his face, only "tonsured". Transgender transvestite in all its glory ...
    7. tomcat117
      tomcat117 28 January 2016 14: 40
      +1
      Deborah "counted" (and at the end) "but we obey these requirements" (all of America wept, very much).
      Conclusion: Minister Deborah herself can count to 18 and obey.
      Our Perdukov also knew how to count, "Mistrals", but to whom he obeyed with his "maidens" is not clear.
    8. pvv113
      pvv113 28 January 2016 18: 07
      +1
      Maybe you missed the October events? Serdyukov was not removed, but was transplanted into another chair. Now he is the chief aviation officer
      it became known about the appointment of the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov to a new high position in the state corporation "Russian Technologies". This time he will have to deal not with the development of the army, but with the revival of the country's aviation industry
      http://www.mk.ru/social/2015/10/29/istochnik-eksministr-oborony-serdyukov-naznac
      hen-na-novuyu-vysokuyu-dolzhnost.html
    9. hartlend
      hartlend 28 January 2016 19: 42
      0
      We do not have an Air Force Minister.
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 January 2016 09: 47
    +6
    Americans know how to count money. As if for the sake of 18 engines to create a whole program ... Not profitable.
    1. The black
      The black 28 January 2016 09: 51
      +7
      Work with space in the USA is based on business! And in Russia, all this is delivered on a State basis! That’s the whole difference. The hucksters would have licked a little more bobs and progress is not so important! That's why the Americans are marking time.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 28 January 2016 09: 55
        0
        Well Atlas huckster is regarded as the last century. Investing in commercial companies will have an effect on the future. Already now we can see progressive solutions (not only landing a rocket), and a serious reduction in the cost of putting a weight / volume unit into orbit. The more participants there are in the sphere, the greater will be the competition, and therefore the search for ways to reduce the cost.

        Without competition, progress grows only with ambitious ideas, but now there is no money for them. Therefore, the withdrawal of outer space into the market sphere is a rather pragmatic decision for the future.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 28 January 2016 11: 53
          +2
          Well, I don’t know what the progress and cheapening is. To find the first step, carefully load, deliver, carefully unload, disassemble everything, defect, bring the necessary parts, check everything again and ... The most important thing is: give a guarantee of a successful launch. There is some kind of savings, but how much will start-up insurance increase? What should manufacturers of the first stage with accessory business do? What are the costs of maintaining the service staff and everyone who will be involved in the reuse of the stage? How many spare steps are required with appropriate storage and staff in case of failure? In short, we will have the first steps again with RD-180, when their dragon finally dies. It will reach them that our missiles in mines were serviced by conscripts.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 January 2016 09: 56
        +6
        Well, I would not say that they are marking time. The Shuttle program was quite progressive. Again automatic stations on Mars. Another question, what for do they hope for private firms in the construction of new launch vehicles? That's where the loot really can outweigh not only progress but also flight safety.
        1. umah
          umah 28 January 2016 10: 16
          +7
          what for they hope for private firms in the construction of new launch vehicles?

          These private space companies are as private as NASA. A lot of people are admired by Space-X, as they are at minimal cost and staff of about 3000-4000 people. made a truck for the ISS. But no one says that the company had full access to NASA's technical developments and drawings, and also received funding from the budget.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 28 January 2016 10: 25
            0
            So what? Correctly apply existing developments, too, must be able to. But the question is different, what will happen to the company if things go wrong? Bankruptcy? And where are the assets? To the NASA Archive? Nonsense.
            1. Dmitry 2246
              Dmitry 2246 28 January 2016 10: 29
              +2
              There is only one way out - a strategic trampoline.
              Thanks to Rogozin for the tip.
      3. Sweles
        Sweles 28 January 2016 10: 46
        +8
        Quote: Black
        Work with space in the USA is based on business! And in Russia, all this is delivered on a State basis! That’s the whole difference. The hucksters would have licked a little more bobs and progress is not so important! That's why the Americans are marking time.


        Do you think the stagnation in rocket technology among amers due to the privately owned American way of life? I think that the Americans, in principle, are not able to create new things, for this there must be such ascetics,
        -like Mozhaisk-aircraft
        -like Brown in rocketry
        -Lodygin in electrical engineering
        -Tesla there
        -Zvorykin -TV
        -Pentkovsky-computers
        -Ponyatov-video recorder
        -Bardin -Transistors
        -Klyosov-DNA-Genealogy
        even the gyroscope-based video camera stabilizer was invented by our guys who had already arrived in America 90g
        as soon as the flow of talents to America runs out, all privileges of pin_dos over the world end, and if you count the rest of the Russians working west, the picture of progress becomes clear ...
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 28 January 2016 11: 07
          +2
          Quote: Sveles
          as soon as the flow of talents to America runs out, all the privileges of pin_dos over the world end,

          The US population is immigrants. The autochthonous population was driven into the reservation more than a century ago.
    2. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 28 January 2016 16: 24
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Americans know how to count money


      220 million for the development of a rocket engine and 2 billion for the development of seats for the F-35. Somehow strange they count them.
  3. The black
    The black 28 January 2016 09: 50
    +8
    They would remove the rocket engines in the lunar pavilion in Hollywood and fly into space, in the same place) would draw stars on the ceiling and forward) laughing
    1. dorz
      dorz 28 January 2016 10: 02
      +3
      It is a pity that due to the difficult economic situation, it is necessary to sell dual-use products to a potential adversary.
  4. Putinets
    Putinets 28 January 2016 09: 53
    +2
    Attention, a question. How did rockets launch to the moon and all sorts of Apollo if pin @ sys cannot make engines even for near-Earth rockets?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 January 2016 09: 58
      +2
      They relaxed and lost all these technologies. Like the lunar rocks. Strange, but true.
    2. Sober
      Sober 28 January 2016 10: 04
      +2
      Well, in those days, everything was amazing. And they and we have all the electronics on transistors and on lamps! How did it work, how did it fit in a ship, how did it take off? It was an amazing time.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 28 January 2016 10: 40
        +4
        ...... And they and we have all the electronics on transistors and on lamps! How did it work, how did it fit in a ship, how did it take off? It was an amazing time ....

        .... The lamps were finger -mini and very tight installation ..... I saw something like an RSIU-3m airplane radio station (created in my opinion during the Second World War), I was surprised by the superdense 3D installation .... We knew how to do it .... At least with us ....... lol
  5. Funnels
    Funnels 28 January 2016 09: 54
    +5
    A pair of trampolines would be enough.
  6. raid14
    raid14 28 January 2016 09: 54
    +2
    How then did they fly to the moon if they could not create their rocket engines on Atlas?
  7. prabiz
    prabiz 28 January 2016 09: 57
    +6
    Sorry and lick your lips! You are far from that!
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 28 January 2016 09: 57
    +6
    Whatever it is called, but in essence we have grown a competitor. In place of our own missiles and launches, our engines serve the US military department. The guys do not bother with sanctions, but stupidly cut money and in this race they would buy engines even from Korea, if she possessed similar technology.
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 28 January 2016 10: 02
      +5
      And how many Boeings are in our airlines? I believe that this (their purchase) is much more serious than the sale of US rocket engines.
  9. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 28 January 2016 10: 00
    +4
    Little money was allocated; about amerskim rates, enough only for "elaboration of the concept".

    By "Unions"it was like that too - they bought seats until a certain time, and then like"we will fly by ourselves".

    Instead of this "Orion"everything was postponed and postponed; it ended with the fact that he would not fly to the ISS at all.

    True, now it is almost there "The Dragon"and the CST-100. However, it must be remembered that both ships are debuts for their creators; there is no experience, and the one that was lost. The development cycle of a reliable manned spacecraft is very long. One accident - that's all."

    With engines too; if everything goes as it goes, sooner or later the engine will be. But - rather late than early and, of course, more expensive.
  10. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 28 January 2016 10: 10
    +1
    I do not understand. The USA uses 18 engines and what, close the space program? Or did they have their own manufacturer?
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 28 January 2016 10: 25
      +4
      They just don’t know how to buy dviguns and not lose face. Russia is a monopolist in this class of dviguns, and their Atlas was sawed specifically under 180. It’s not easy to change, no one has.
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 28 January 2016 10: 58
      +2
      They have a need until 19 in 18 engines, and there they hope that they will have time to release their own. But they themselves underestimated the funding for their creation, and they themselves call the term too optimistic. In short, they became addicted to us, only no one knows how to use it.
  11. Gray 43
    Gray 43 28 January 2016 10: 12
    +2
    If they stopped feeding bandits around the world, then money would not be enough not only to develop engines
  12. Enoch
    Enoch 28 January 2016 10: 12
    +3
    Wonderful things God, they "poison" us as they can, and we help them - we sell engines - gives a liberal smell.
  13. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 28 January 2016 10: 17
    +1
    America must have at its disposal 18 domestic rocket engines


    in fact, you must first have the opportunity to build them
  14. shinobi
    shinobi 28 January 2016 10: 20
    +1
    That is, I have a Wishlist, but I don't have my own dvigun and won't be in the near future. At the same time, I don't have enough brains to repeat the development of 40 years ago. I feel a keen sense of gloating for the `` hegemon. '' Especially against the background of other achievements of the country of light elves.
  15. ram_design
    ram_design 28 January 2016 10: 26
    +2
    All the same, we had a glorious past. Such a backlog was done in advance.
    Russo-tourist-visiko-amoral ... pah, I didn’t mean to say :-) in short, you understood me.
    We can’t understand Russia with our minds, because we’re probably the smartest :-))

    By the way, did the Yankees still descend to the moon? Or bullies ?! Probably lies, we then didn’t sell them engines ... :-)
  16. cccr51
    cccr51 28 January 2016 10: 39
    0
    In the past year, I read an article here seems to be one of the creators of the RD-180, so he wrote to the Americans, even knowing the entire technology for manufacturing this engine, they could not do it because of the huge financial costs. There you need not 220 lemons of dollars, 220 billion dollars - or maybe even more.
  17. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 28 January 2016 10: 44
    +1
    You might think that we twist our hands. Do not want to - do not buy. Sit on the priest straight, but you won’t fall and do not crash.
  18. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 28 January 2016 10: 45
    +2
    You are strange people! Then you need to jump off the oil needle, then refuse to supply high-tech rocket engines smileLet them continue to invent nothing, we will supply as much as necessary. And we will develop new ones
  19. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 28 January 2016 10: 47
    +1
    “Unfortunately, the provisions of the defense budget for the 2016 fiscal year limit our ability to develop rocket engines, but we obey these requirements,” the minister said.


    Mania of greatness does not allow to keep within a reasonable framework. What for? When you can for fabulous profits! They obey the requirements ... laughing

    The whole world was imposed "taxes" (except for Russia) and is not enough? It can be seen that soon they will come up with someone else to shake (to plant democracy, teach life, defeat terrorists). It is not in vain that they decide the issue of granting their president the right to single-handedly make a decision to send troops anywhere in the world (for the type of fight against terrorists), oh, not in vain ... am
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 January 2016 11: 05
    +2
    A chicken, she is a chicken. It would be better to count how many brains are needed to develop these very engines. Indeed, in any technique, except that in sight, there are a lot of nuances that still need to get to the bottom. And 18 engines will end, then what, another 18 somewhere to take?
  21. el coyote
    el coyote 28 January 2016 11: 10
    +1
    Dictatorial mode ... but engines are good ... but dictatorial mode ... but good engines ...

    and you want and chtol pricks her ?!
  22. Igor V
    Igor V 28 January 2016 11: 14
    0
    On our unmanned spacecraft installed APO (automatic detonation of the object). It activated remotely and triggered when the object landed on the wrong territory of the USSR or in the wrong water area. I wonder if there is an APO on the RD-180? This could solve a lot of problems. wink
  23. Conscience
    Conscience 28 January 2016 11: 29
    0
    These private space firms are as private as NASA.
    yeah and Russia dragged into commerce - then it's easier to buy and sell everything - including brains
    ... I wanted to say that they will refuse - 5 years and they will be in full opera - like igli on darned condoms into space - you ichthyander.
  24. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 January 2016 11: 36
    +1
    They will continue to buy and will not go anywhere. With their own engine, the amers, is not so simple, they will do it, according to various estimates by 23-25.
  25. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 28 January 2016 11: 43
    0
    Quote: Igor V
    On our unmanned spacecraft installed APO (automatic detonation of the object). It activated remotely and triggered when the object landed on the wrong territory of the USSR or in the wrong water area. I wonder if there is an APO on the RD-180? This could solve a lot of problems. wink

    What problems? belay What a baby talk
  26. triglav
    triglav 28 January 2016 11: 44
    +2
    Right! When they will do it and whether they will do it at all, it is not known. And without our RD-180, they have fails. So, amerikosy, do not bother. Buy while we sell!
  27. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 28 January 2016 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    "US Air Force Secretary Deborah James .... Deborah !!!" - I was crying! laughing

    .... It’s good that Serdyukov was removed from us ...........

    This is not the same "cry" yet! It will get ridiculous when the fagot leads the us air force laughing
  28. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 28 January 2016 11: 49
    +1
    Amertsians do not have a closed cycle kerosene liquid propellant rocket engine with afterburning of an oxidizing generator gas. And they do not know how to do them. This is a greater art than the spread of democracy. laughing

    Accordingly, the RD-180 specific impulse on Earth is 311 units.
    For comparison, the F-1 open-cycle rocket engine (which they are threatening to restore) has 265 units (for Merlin's super-duper, which stands on Falcon-9, 282 units).

    A quick calculation, without taking into account gravitational and other losses, gives for a finite velocity of a conditional step (with a ratio of initial mass to final mass equal to 10) 5986 m / s (for specific impulse 265) and 7025 m / s (for specific impulse 311). For Merlin - 6370 m / s. That’s the difference.
  29. electrooleg
    electrooleg 28 January 2016 12: 04
    0
    Quote: Finches
    .Deborah !!! "- I cried!


    This is a local American Vasiliev. :)
  30. Shaitan_by
    Shaitan_by 28 January 2016 13: 00
    +1
    If they design their rocket engines the way they design f-35s, then they don’t have enough paper to print.
  31. Sealek
    Sealek 28 January 2016 13: 39
    +1
    The cost of launching payloads (payloads) into orbit is now one of the determining factors for commercial launches.
    In Russia, IDGCs stopped their program before the completion of work on a new generation of detonation-type RDs, since liquid-propellant rocket engines do not provide a significant cost reduction when the first stage is returned with its subsequent "rehabilitation".
  32. ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 28 January 2016 21: 30
    +1
    Guys, why are you so stubborn. There were Americans on the moon. There were. It's a shame, but it's a fact. Don't be like "Max_Bauder", this one is absolutely illiterate, he generally had a lunar rover parachuted down to the moon, the impression is that he didn't even go to school. It's just that I personally know people who served at that time in Yevpatoria at the control point (later Saturn-CM). It was originally created specifically to observe the flights of Americans to the moon. He also received signals coming from the moon. And telephony, and television, and telemetry. It is from the moon and from the Apollo flying to the moon. Any of you who are at least a little versed in radio engineering knows that determining the coordinates of a radio signal source is elemental. For those who are not radio technicians, I will give a compelling argument. After all, many of you use satellite TV. For its stable reception, it is necessary to orientate the "dish" very accurately, and the satellite is only 3600 km away, and the Moon is more than a hundred times greater. And the transmitter power on the lunar module was less, on the "satah", the signal is analog, not digital. And I don’t want to talk about the difficulties of landing and taking off. English on a plane VVP took off in 1966. And it is much more difficult to control an airplane in the mode of point take-off and landing. The module has a much more uniform weight distribution around the engine, the banal absence of wind. And in general, do not envy the Americans. They, in this case, acted as Squirrels and Shooters. With all their wealth and industrial potential, they would not have enough brains to fly to the moon. If it were not for the German Wernher von Braun, then one would not see the moon as one's own ears without a mirror. They did not even derive scientific benefit from the flights. So, a picnic by the roadside.