Reincarnations in the Armed Forces

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Russian and American military departments made sensational statements.

The Russian Armed Forces, in response to the increasing intensity of NATO exercises, deployed four new divisions, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov, commander-in-chief of the Land Forces, said. The message in a matter of minutes was picked up by the Russian and primarily foreign media. Experts and commentators did not have time to discuss how this might affect the alignment of forces in Europe, and the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, made an equally sensational statement. The US-led anti-Igil coalition engages ground forces.

It is noteworthy that if last year after the appearance news on the deployment of the Guards as part of the Western Military District tank The army’s leadership of the Russian military department spoke of some abstract “possible threats” of the Russian Federation, avoiding mentioning NATO, the current statement by Oleg Salyukov left no doubt: the new divisions would hold back the Alliance.

Similarly, in the USA: a little more than a month ago, President Barack Obama spoke on December 10, 7, addressing the nation, said that there would be no ground operation in Syria and Iraq.

NATO, stop


The first information about the expected formation of divisions, now announced by Oleg Salyukov, appeared immediately after the 2015 village in the spring of the village of Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod region, returned to Voronezh the headquarters of the 20-th combined army, which had previously been withdrawn there during the transition to the new look.

Reincarnations in the Armed ForcesIt was, in particular, about the possible appearance of new connections in the cities of Nizhny Novgorod and Boguchar.

12 of January of this year at the first conference call, the head of the military department Sergey Shoigu said that one of the most important tasks facing the Armed Forces in 2016 year is the formation of three divisions in the western direction. The Minister emphasized that it is necessary to immediately provide them with a full-fledged infrastructure, to arrange permanent residences. But nevertheless, he avoided mentioning the “containment of NATO”, leaving this statement to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov, who ten days later specified: it concerns three divisions in the western direction and one in the center. At the same time, it was emphasized that new connections will be formed on the basis of already existing brigades.

We will try to understand and make assumptions where and when the "anti-NATO" divisions will appear.

The first candidate is the 9-I separate motorized rifle brigade, almost simultaneously with the management of the 20 army, "moved" from the Lower to the city of Boguchar and the village of Valuyki. It should be noted that earlier plans were made to form the 10-th Guards Tank Division in the same localities. So the one that is created on the basis of the 9 ombsbr, will be either the 9 th motorized rifle, or 10 th guards tank. Another option is not excluded: the 20 OA of the Western Military District will be replenished simultaneously by both the 9 MSD and 10 Guards. etc., the base for the formation of which will be the 1-I Guards Tank Brigade, according to some data, currently being formed in the same Valuyki and Boguchar.

The second candidate is the 33-I separate motorized rifle brigade (mountain), currently torn between the village of Kadamovsky near Novocherkassk, Rostov region and Maykop. According to the original plans, by the end of 2015, the brigade was to transfer to the usual motorized rifle staff and completely move to the Rostov region.

The third candidate is a separate motorized rifle brigade, which was planned to form in Yelne, Smolensk region, on the territory of the military town of the former 144 Guards. MSD, which was reported back in November 2014 th. The infrastructure, in particular housing, built by the Federal Republic of Germany at one time after the division was withdrawn from Germany at the start of the 90-s, after carrying out restoration work, makes it possible to place a full-blooded connection without problems.

In the central direction it is planned to deploy one division. Candidates may be 15-I separate motorized rifle "peacekeeping" (Samara), 21-I (Totskoye) and 23-I (Ridge) Guards motorized rifle brigades. But priority is still due to the best infrastructure in 21 Guards. omsbr, previously reformed during the transition to a new look from 27 Guards. msd

If we talk about the deadline for the formation of new parts, December 2016 looks like the most optimal.

Why the decision was made to form divisions, and not new brigades, the Defense Ministry leadership, alas, did not clarify, confining itself to the statement that the mass service (td) is better suited for the tasks before them. It is not entirely clear what the organizational structure of the new formations will be if, according to the available data, even the 2-th Guards (Taman) motorized rifle and 4-I Guards (Kantemirovskaya) divisions that were previously reorganized are not yet fully formed. On their basis, various research works on optimization of OSW are continued.

It was easier with the Taliban


As in the case of the new divisions in the Russian army, plans to start a ground operation against the IS prohibited in Russia in the military-political leadership of the United States have been going for a long time. Despite the widespread belief that the US military has left Iraq, it is not. Since the end of 2014, units and subunits of the US Army have been sent there with the official goal of preparing Iraqi soldiers for combat operations against the Islamic State, which has begun a massive attack inland.

However, until the end of last year, the American contingent, consisting mainly of military personnel of the 82 airborne division, was a couple of hundred military personnel. But in November, the Pentagon announced its decision to deploy the 82 air assault division in Iraq instead of 101 airborne troops. According to the official publication of the US military, the headquarters of the 101 division will be responsible for planning the ground operation in Iraq, and the contingent itself will consist of more than a thousand military personnel.

According to 101 Commander, Major General Gary Voleski, three months before the formal decision to deploy the compound headquarters was actively involved in planning the operation “Inalienable Resolve” (Inherent Resolve, a joint operation of the “anti-Igilov” coalition led by the United States. - A.R. )

So, the preparation for the ground operation in Iraq and Syria by the American military began long ago. It is unclear just who of the coalition members will send a ground contingent to a hot spot. The strongest participants with large ground-based groups: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, are unlikely to send their troops to smash the "Islamic State" they support. Military support from Turkey is also unlikely. As in the 2003 year, the entire load will go to the US and British armed forces, which will undoubtedly be supported by a couple of hundred fighters from Poland and, possibly, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.

According to the announced plans of the Pentagon, the direct participation of US troops in ground battles is minimized. The paratroopers of the 101st division will, as before, be primarily responsible for training the Iraqis. At the same time, the leadership of the department declares: one more task of the land contingent will be to help local commanders on the battlefield, and the presence of the Americans will maximize the opportunities aviation support

Another important task of the US military is to assume not only the planning, but also the organization of the logistics of the leading offensive against the IS of the Iraqi army.

Currently, some overseas media have already announced possible plans for a ground operation against the IS. At the first stage, with the help of Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, it is planned to surround Mosul, breaking an important transport artery connecting it with Raqqah, the main and virtually the only route of communication between the Syrian and Iraqi parts of the Islamic State. This is believed to lead to the isolation of IS militants in Iraq.

After the fall of Mosul, deploying to the west, the troops loyal to Baghdad should launch an offensive in the direction of Raqqa and its oil fields, having lost which, the IS will actually remain without funding.

A rather ambitious plan spoils one detail. Before you can get to Mosul, the Iraqi army will have to fight its way through the valley of the Tigris River, controlled by IS militants, who are well prepared for defense. Until now, all attempts to make any progress in this direction ended in great losses with the complete absence of results.

Another subtle point of the Pentagon’s plan: Turkey must completely block the border in the south, not allowing outside support of the Islamic State’s militants, as well as their retreat under the blows of Iraqi troops. As the US military itself admits, this is the most difficult part of the strategy. But, of course, there are signs that Ankara will still meet, at least partially.

In fact, the new US plan is the reincarnation of the operation in Afghanistan in 2001, when the Northern Alliance units under the leadership of the Green Berets, with almost continuous air support, defeated the Taliban troops in a matter of weeks and expelled the al-Qaida militants.

It is difficult to say how fast the attack on the IS will begin and how long it will last. Many questions are raised by the readiness to go on the attack of the Iraqi military, even under the guidance of American instructors and almost with constant air support, which the Pentagon promises.

And most importantly: the IS militants, unlike the Taliban, in 2001, were not only well-trained fighters, but first and foremost an organized and controlled military machine, clearly superior to the Iraqi army in its capabilities.
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  1. +11
    31 January 2016 06: 15
    Why not deploy? Still on its territory! What, ask permission from Washington or Brussels? Enough, they were like "obedient", now they will have to deal with an adequate and strong Russia.
    1. +9
      31 January 2016 09: 49
      It is necessary to return the entire army to divisions and regiments! The brigade structure is good for the army of Luxembourg or the expeditionary army of the island of the United States, but for mainland Russia with its open spaces - only a regiment, division, army!
      1. +11
        31 January 2016 11: 22
        Quote: Finches
        It is necessary to return the entire army to the divisions


        The main thing is not to break the wood.
        Neatly!
        One combined-arms division is more effective than three brigades. Only one "But".
        For a division to become fully operational and effective, it takes at least 2 years of training and coordination.
        It’s not just the rank and file that concerns. The main thing is the officers of the division.
        But! If all parts and services of the division are matched to each other .. the division becomes a very formidable force.
        1. +2
          31 January 2016 21: 21
          A small correction: not a combined arms, but a motorized rifle (tank) division.
          I have the honor! soldier
      2. -13
        31 January 2016 12: 19
        Quote: Finches
        It is necessary to return the entire army to divisions and regiments!

        For the annexation of Donbass, is it already interesting there that a tank division was deployed westward for a blitzkrieg? And then, last year they were going to create it ...
      3. -6
        31 January 2016 12: 26
        The experience of fighting in the Donbass proves the opposite.
        Even the brigade was too big a structure.
        And the militia + volunteers +, and APU switched to the so-called
        "battalion groups" of about 200-300 people
        infantry, 2-3 dozen tanks and a group of stem and rocket artillery.
        Such a structure provides the greatest efficiency at
        least loss.

        Expand full-fledged divisions with that unfavorable demographic
        situation and 1-year draft in Russia - is unrealistic. May God have trained coordinated brigades and separate battalions.
        1. +8
          31 January 2016 14: 28
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Even the brigade was too big a structure.
          And the militia + volunteers +, and APU switched to the so-called
          "battalion groups" of about 200-300 people
          infantry, 2-3 dozen tanks and a group of stem and rocket artillery.
          Such a structure provides the greatest efficiency at

          Do not interfere with tactical (battalion) groups created on the basis of brigades and the effectiveness of brigades (divisions) as a whole. Such groups are just a form of organization for solving specific problems.
      4. +8
        31 January 2016 13: 26
        Quote: Finches
        It is necessary to return the entire army to divisions and regiments!

        Both this and that are necessary. depending on the tasks.
        The division is good in that, unlike three or four brigades, it is a fairly well-coordinated formation, with its constantly functioning headquarters.
        In the presence of such combat-ready formations, an operation, for example, in Chechnya would not require the creation of combined units and governing bodies from, often, random persons.
        But tank and motorized rifle formations are not created at all to global containment of NATO.
        NATO contains nuclear forces. But in order to effectively "force to the world" NATO strangers, such as banderlogy, Georgians, these connections are the very thing.
    2. +4
      31 January 2016 11: 43
      Obama was advised to return to Europe the armored brigade for permanent presence

      The Russian Armed Forces in response to the increasing intensity of NATO exercises will deploy four new divisions


      Decent answer ... winked
    3. +1
      31 January 2016 22: 58
      About..Another important task of the US military is to assume not only the planning, but also the organization of the logistics of the leading offensive against the IS of the Iraqi army. The target is not correct. namely, mate-tech support is not against the IS, but the correct and planned supply thereof .. Apparently the Aerospace Forces acts effectively if the US needs an "umbrella" ..
  2. +7
    31 January 2016 06: 39
    then the current statement by Oleg Salyukov left no doubt: the new divisions will restrain the North Atlantic Alliance


    Why hide? The enemy must be known by sight, and we have historical examples when praying for a real enemy made our Victory more protracted and bloody, with significant casualties.
  3. +5
    31 January 2016 06: 56
    Almost, like Vysotsky:
  4. cap
    +14
    31 January 2016 08: 53
    "Why the decision was made to form divisions, and not new brigades, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, alas, did not explain, confining themselves to the statement that the Ministry of Internal Affairs (TD) is better suited for the tasks facing them. It is also not entirely clear what the organizational and staff structure of the new formations will be. , if, according to available data, even the 2 nd Guards (Taman) motorized rifle and 4 th Guards (Kantemirovskaya) divisions, which were previously reorganized from the brigades, have not yet been formed completely.
    They just decided not to reinvent the wheel. The division, the procedure for its formation (except for increasing the number of personnel) is a well-established tactical and operational command and control system, as well as the possibility of strengthening tactical nuclear weapons if necessary. Three army divisions. When performing tasks on the front and depth, the army can be given front-line aviation and the right to use tactical nuclear weapons. Brigades as well as corps cannot be deployed along the front without the formation of "bald spots" on a wide front, which may entail the possibility of encirclement. In a combat situation, the elimination of tactical errors in one way or another will require coordination and the creation of a new headquarters structure.
    Something like that hi .
    1. +1
      31 January 2016 11: 09
      The Russian Armed Forces in response to the increasing intensity of NATO exercises will deploy four new divisions
      Yes, there it no longer smells of the intensity of exercises, but NATO NATO groups are being built up in Europe near our borders
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    3. +3
      31 January 2016 21: 08
      Quote: cap
      They just decided not to reinvent the wheel. The division, the procedure for its formation (except for increasing the number of personnel) is a well-established tactical and operational command and control system, as well as the possibility of strengthening tactical nuclear weapons if necessary. Three army divisions.

      ... absolutely right ... hi .. if you recall the standard staff structure of the division:
      - 3 motorized rifle regiments
      - 1 artillery regiment
      - 1 tank regiment
      - 1 anti-aircraft missile regiment
      + separate battalions:
      - engineering sapper
      - intelligence
      - communication
      - medical battalion
      - MTO
      - repair and restoration
      + individual units
      - battery management and artillery reconnaissance
      - anti-tank division
      - company RHBZ (flamethrower)
      ... hi
      1. +2
        31 January 2016 21: 19
        A small addition: to individual battalions - the anti-tank fighter division and to separate companies - the commandant company of the division.
        I have the honor! soldier
  5. +8
    31 January 2016 09: 12
    The reformation of the brigades back into divisions is connected, IMHO, with the ability to form an ARMY of a full-fledged composition. To NATO did not spin. That they can solve something there by moving tank battalions to the Baltic states.
  6. +2
    31 January 2016 09: 43
    And also forgot about the Ukrainian battalion of chemical protection, Mikhail Zadornov !!
  7. +1
    31 January 2016 09: 44
    The American ground operation will nullify all the bombing of Russia in Syria. US soldiers will occupy a piece of Syrian territory (such as Kosovo in Yugoslavia) where they will prepare "moderate opposition", and in fact militants for overthrowing Assad and coming to power of the pro-American government. And this territory is controlled NATO troops, Syria will no longer get back. For the United States, a ground operation is the only option to overthrow Assad and humiliate Russia.
    1. +4
      31 January 2016 10: 54
      And again, without an invitation and a UN mandate. In theory, the SAA has every right to bomb everyone in its territory without official permission. If they do not and allow the amers to keep a piece of this adder - it will be very bad.
    2. TTX
      0
      1 February 2016 04: 49
      I think nothing terrible will happen, after the destruction of the ig need to be next to the pindo. Put your base yourself, which will nullify all their superiority in this piece of territory.
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    4. 0
      2 February 2016 15: 58
      What have not done so far? They did not subjugate everyone, nor humiliated or captured?
    5. 0
      2 February 2016 15: 58
      What have not done so far? They did not subjugate everyone, nor humiliated or captured?
  8. +2
    31 January 2016 10: 38
    In general, IMHO, the transition from divisional to brigade structure is a big mistake. Not a strong specialist and "expert", but I graduated from the military school of the "combined arms plan". It is clear that in peacetime it is easier to maintain brigades than divisions. At the school, "advanced" teachers tried to tell us that brigades are easier to control in combat conditions. The issue is controversial. The brigades are different. For different types of troops.
    IMHO motorized rifle or tank brigade-complete nonsense. There is only a division.
    But the Airborne Forces and Marines are just a brigade. With artillery, it is possible and so and so. Depending on the purpose of the artillery.
    ----------
    Interestingly, by the way. And what tanks will the new army be equipped with?
    1. 0
      31 January 2016 23: 52
      As I understand it, battalion and brigade groups are advantageous in a local maneuver war, in which each such unit is mobile and has reinforcing units (tanks, artillery, sappers, etc.). In the form of short skirmishes, such an approach is quite suitable and even beneficial for the fight against native troops or partisans who do not have heavy weapons and trained personnel. Requires less overhead.
      At the same time, for a serious combat confrontation with a well-equipped, trained and well-coordinated enemy, such units obviously have too scarce resources, which means low durability.
      Those. the format of the participating military structures depends on the volume and nature of the combat missions performed. Somewhere and a separate company is not enough, but somewhere - a mechanized corps is needed ...
  9. 0
    31 January 2016 11: 02
    we are talking about three divisions in the western direction and one in the central.-It’s just a point to say Slavik I’ll cheat! If something suddenly starts, then the NATO troops will strike Belarus with 85% certainty. \ And I think they won’t be wary of Poland’s general direction to Baranavichy from Lithuania to Minsk .. don’t judge strictly hi
  10. +2
    31 January 2016 11: 02
    And here some lizuns of democratic anuses, pah you, values, of course, accuse others that they live in the 19th century and see a non-existent war with Western sworn "partners". And here you are, please, one of the commanders-in-chief is directly voicing the name of the threat.
  11. +3
    31 January 2016 11: 36
    "No, Vanechka, we're home, to the division ..." (from the movie "Officers")
  12. -3
    31 January 2016 12: 04
    The couple remembered the composition of the Wehrmacht from the Second World War-2MB. There the army was 3-4 times bigger than ours. And why? They had regiments and brigades and divisions! Those. The 11th Manstein army that besieged Sevastopol was never less than 300 people (with its total losses here, more than 000!). And the 300th Paulus Army, which fell in Stalingrad was even greater and the losses were even greater! And because of what such a scale? The brigade included ... regiments. To the brigade division.
    Such multi-stage facilitated the actions of our intelligence.
    The division (in our sense) is good, but gigantomania is also bad.
    1. +1
      31 January 2016 15: 42
      You dear, everyone mixed in a heap, read more and everything will fall into place, I'm not going to chew, work dear
    2. +2
      1 February 2016 00: 05
      Not only the 6th Army under the command of Paulus took part in the Battle of Stalingrad. There was something else dofiga.
      Axis countries
      Army Group B (commander - M. Weichs). It included:
      - 6th Army - Commander-in-Chief of the Tank Forces Friedrich Paulus;
      - 2nd Army - commanding general from infantry Hans von Salmouth;
      - 4th Panzer Army - Commander Colonel-General German Goth;
      - 8th Italian army - commander of the army general Italo Gariboldi;
      - Hungarian 2nd Army - Commander Colonel General Gustav Jani;
      - 3rd Romanian Army - Commander Colonel General Petre Dumitrescu and
      - The 4th Romanian Army - Commander Colonel General Konstantin Konstantinesku.
      - 4 air fleet - Commander Colonel General Wolfram von Richthofen.

      Those. seven armies + air fleet come out.
      I still remember a caricature on this occasion: a sad Hitler in a handkerchief says: "I lost the ring, but in the ring there is 22 division."
      If in detail:
      Army Group "B". For the offensive on Stalingrad, the 6th Army was allocated (commander F. Paulus). It consisted of 13 divisions, in which there were about 270 thousand people, 3 thousand guns and mortars, and about 700 tanks. Intelligence activities in the interests of the 6th Army were carried out by the Abvergruppa-104.
      Army support was provided by the 4th Air Fleet (commander Colonel General Wolfram von Richthofen), which had up to 1200 aircraft (fighter aircraft aimed at Stalingrad, in the initial stage of the battle for this city, there were about 120 Messerschmitt Bf.109F- fighter planes 4 / G-2 (Soviet and Russian sources give numbers with a spread from 100 to 150), plus about 40 outdated Romanian Bf.109E-3).

      But, in general, do not confuse the system of organization of the army of Germany and the USSR. There is no parallelism. Sometimes one German army was comparable in number and equipment to the Soviet front, and the army group - with several fronts.
      For comparison:
      The Stalingrad Front (commander - S.K. Timoshenko, from July 23 - V.N. Gordov, from August 13 - Colonel General A.I. Eremenko). It included the garrison of Stalingrad (10th division of the NKVD), 62nd, 63rd, 64th, 21st, 28th, 38th and 57th combined arms armies, 8th air army (Soviet fighter aviation at the beginning of the battle there numbered 230-240 fighters, mainly Yak-1) and the Volga military flotilla - 37 divisions, 3 tank corps, 22 brigades, which had 547 thousand people, 2200 guns and mortars, about 400 tanks, 454 aircraft, 150-200 long-range aviation bombers and 60 air defense fighters.

      Something like this ... request hi
      PySy! Congratulations to all on the anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad! It is a pity that my grandfather did not live up to its completion - he died in August 1942.
  13. +1
    31 January 2016 14: 49
    Just do not need hat-inspiring moods! Remember!
  14. -4
    31 January 2016 14: 50
    we will crush the indestructible wall with steel defense, we will destroy the enemy!
    1. +5
      31 January 2016 15: 59
      and destroyed!
  15. -1
    31 January 2016 14: 52
    That's what will happen if there are no competent officers
    1. 0
      31 January 2016 16: 01
      that's for sure ... agree
  16. +1
    31 January 2016 15: 39
    Dear, what are you? First read the composition and armament of the brigade and division and compare it with the same data from the USA and NATO, the answer is simple the brigades do not meet any requirements for the level of threats, so that everything is correct, Russia needs divisions, I don’t take parts special and special purpose
  17. +3
    31 January 2016 15: 49
    Do it right. Now the time has come when the defense of Russia must be unshakable. Both tank divisions and strike armies must find a worthy place in the structure of the RF Armed Forces. That happened to serve in the 3rd Shock Army in the GSVG This was the power !!!!!!. I will give an example of a statement
    As for the 3rd Shock Army, to which you have been appointed, it is the largest and most powerful army in the world. The most formidable army.
    Yes, yes, ”the marshal continued, noticing my surprised look,“ I am not exaggerating. ” We have the 11th Guards Army - it has more divisions, but the total number in comparison with the 3rd Shock Army is lower, and it has no analogues in terms of the number of tanks. Of its five divisions, four are tank divisions, plus two tank regiments of heavy tanks for covering the border and two training tank regiments of 350 tanks each. Not every front during the war had so much in the direction of the main blow. And the personnel of the army is 75 thousand! I'm not talking about rocket launchers and gunners. In short, this is an ultramodern army. And it stands in the main operational area - it reliably covers the exit to Berlin, but in case of enemy aggression - in two or three days it will be on the Rhine and successfully crosses it, as our Cossack corps did 150 years ago when they attacked Paris.
    - V.I. Varennikov, Unique. Part IV Operational and strategic echelon. GSVG
  18. 0
    31 January 2016 17: 50
    In the western direction this is what, here in the Chelyabinsk region the tank division (!) Is going to be deployed. winked
  19. 0
    31 January 2016 19: 02
    It was in Ternopol, year 1941
  20. 0
    1 February 2016 15: 11
    Definitely need to be restored, because you can not repeat the 41-year.
    As the saying goes: "if you want peace, prepare for war."

    But at the expense of the Yankee land, I laughed to tears: such a performance was not yet known to the "holy forest".
    After the fall of Mosul, turning west, the troops loyal to Baghdad should launch an offensive in the direction of Raqqa and its oil fields, having lost which, the Islamic State will actually be left without funding.

    everybody knows well the buyers of oil, why not press the buyers, not the traders ?! and then such attempts, the introduction of troops, offensive operations ... in general, in their repertoire. What is most amusing is that most states are well aware of the truth. Puppet governments of the same Europe, monarchies of the Gulf of the non-baltics, etc. I understand everything, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China understand everything, why the performance? to leave room for maneuver and weave your web of intrigue and conspiracy further? Against this background, everyone, I just want to throw a couple of kilotons into the "yellow stone"! really scary myself!
  21. 0
    1 February 2016 21: 49
    The "seekers" got confused. I "read somewhere" and personally held it in my hands, and the "seekers" personally READED ON THE INTERNET!
  22. +1
    2 February 2016 13: 21
    For Russia, of course, better divisions than brigades. The exceptions are the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps and other troops, let's say, of narrow specialization. It is a gratifying fact that the legacy of General Taburetkin is swept out by a filthy broom.
  23. 0
    2 March 2016 15: 11
    Quote: Pomoryanin
    The exceptions are the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps and other troops, let's say, of narrow specialization.

    I would say for the light infantry brigade just right. They don’t have to hold the front. Intelligence, sabotage ... you don’t need a large connection

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