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Engine revolution

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The development of a new domestic turbofan engine is entering the final stretch. The project is able to become the basis for the breakthrough of the domestic aircraft industry to the world market.

The first phase of flight tests of a new engine for civil aviation PD-14 (the developer is Perm Aviadvigatel, the parent manufacturer is Perm Motor Plants). The importance of the event is extraordinary: in the coming years in our country, a capacious segment of mechanical engineering - the civil aircraft engine industry - may revive.

In 2014, Russian enterprises launched 43 passenger and transport aircraft, of which only four were equipped with domestically produced engines. In the short term, the situation may change. It is still premature to assess export prospects for PD-14, however, the engine has all the possibilities to saturate the domestic market.

Universal unit

At the December press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin called the completion of the PD-14 project (the start of serial production is scheduled for 2017 year) as the most important event in the domestic engine building industry since the end of the 80-s of the last century:

- The new engine, which it is planned to equip the promising domestic aircraft MS-21 ("Main plane of the XXI century"), is a breakthrough, a huge achievement. The Russian aviation industry should be guided by its own developments. The creation of PD-14 will allow the development of a whole line of medium-range and long-range aircraft. Previously, we planned to equip domestic airliners with foreign Pratt & Whitney or Rolls-Royce engines. Obviously, PD-14 will be much better than foreign analogues.

The unified design of the aircraft engine will allow the engine to be installed on almost all domestic passenger and transport aircraft. The PD-14 engine (with 14 tons of tonnage) is planned to be equipped with MS-21-200 / 300 / 400 and Il-76 and Il-214 military transport planes. A more powerful modification of the PD-18 is supposed to be used on a medium-range narrow-body passenger liner Tu-214 and long-range wide-body IL-96. A light version of the PD-10 can be equipped with Sukhoi Superjet-100 short-haul aircraft (instead of the French SaM-146 engine). A separate engine modification is planned to be installed on the heavy transport helicopter Mi-26 (instead of the Ukrainian D-136).

The widespread use of engines of the PD family should provide the necessary volume of serial production and will help recoup the costs of the PD-14 project. The total investment in it should be 70 billion rubles, of which 35 billion rubles - budgetary funds.


PD-14 vs PS-90

Now the only domestic engine that is equipped with modern Russian airliners is PS-90A (the head manufacturer is Perm Engine Plants). In 2014, the aircraft factories launched and transferred into service four new aircraft equipped with these engines: two Tu-214 OH (the customer is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation), Tu-214, Il-96-300 (the customer is the administration of the President of the Russian Federation). The rest of the airliners produced in our country were equipped with foreign engines: 34 of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 with SaM146 engines (produced by the French company PowerJet), three An-148 with D-436-148 engines, two An-140 engines with TV3-117 engines - two X-XXXX-XNUMX engines with X-Axx-XNUMX engines, two X-Axn-XNUMX engines, two X-Axx-XNUMX engines. (all engines for An released Zaporizhzhya "Motor Sich").

According to the chief designer of the engine family PD Igor Maximov, almost all foreign engines on Russian aircraft in the future will be replaced by domestic counterparts.

- Flight technical characteristics of PD-14 are ahead of those of PS-90А. In particular, the installation of the latest engine on the modern Russian military transport aircraft IL-76MD-90А (mass production started in 2015 with the PS-90 engine) will significantly extend the life cycle of the liner. A modification of the aircraft with the PD-14M engine will increase the practical flight range with a maximum load of 60 tons from 4 thousand km to 4,78 thousand, the flight range without load will increase from 9,7 thousand km to 10,8 thousand, the fuel consumption per ton-kilometer will decrease by 14%, The cost of transporting a ton of cargo will be reduced by 10%, says Igor Maximov.

Aviadvigatel General Designer Alexander Inozemtsev is confident that PD-14 will successfully compete with promising products of a similar purpose by the leaders of the world aircraft engine building: PW1400G (MC-21 aircraft) and PW1100G (A320Neo aircraft) engines from Pratt & Whitney, as well as Leap-1А engines (A320Neo aircraft) and Leap-1B (B737 Max aircraft) of the CFMI consortium (General Electric and Snecma).

- According to the conclusion of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors. P.I. Baranova, the engine PD-14 is not inferior to foreign competitors in the sum of technical and economic parameters. This was achieved by mastering the unique technology of manufacturing parts and assemblies. In particular, the use of new materials at the Ufa Engine-Building Production Association made it possible to reduce the mass of a hollow titanium fan blade by 30%, which made it possible to reduce the weight of PD-14 by 8 - 10% compared to Russian engines of the old generation. The introduction of the technology for manufacturing single-crystal turbine blades from alloys of a new generation with a protective ceramic coating at the Perm Engine Plant made it possible to raise the temperature of the gas in front of the turbine from 1900 to 2000 K. The developers also managed to increase the compression ratio in the compressor by 20 - 50%, the degree of bypass ratio - in twice, - said Alexander Inozemtsev.

Hope for MC-21


The prospects for PD-14 in the international market will depend on the sales volumes of short-haul (regional) Sukhoi Superjet-100 aircraft (mass production is conducted from 2008 of the year) and long-haul airliners MC-21 (launch in the series on 2017 year). As follows from the forecast of Boeing Corporation, from 2015 to 2034 in the world 38 050 aircraft will be purchased, of which 35 560 units are trunk (totaling 5,5 trillion dollars), 2490 units (by 100 billion dollars) are regional.

Thus, the MC-21 project is aimed at the most capacious niche of the world aircraft building market. After the start of serial production of the PD-14, buyers will be offered a choice of an American (Pratt & Whitney) or Russian engine of a new generation.

Now the Irkut corporation has 163 “firm” orders for the MS-21. The only foreign buyer is the Malaysian company Crecom Burj Berhad (25 aircraft). The largest Russian customer is Aeroflot (50 aircraft). VEB-Leasing (21 vehicles), Ilyushin Finance (30), Sberbank Leasing (28), IrAero (20) also signed agreements on the acquisition of MS-10. Almost all buyers ordered the MS-21 with American Pratt & Whitney engines. At the moment, only Aeroflot has announced the purchase of 35 PD-14 engines for new mainline airliners.

The outlook for MS-21 sales abroad raises big questions. After the collapse of the USSR, the American-European duopoly of Boeing and Airbus took shape on the market of passenger airliners (sales of other manufacturers are of a piece nature). Several years ago, three new players announced their projects in this segment: Russia with the MC-21 project of the Irkut Corporation, China with the COMAC С919 aircraft and the Canadian Bombardier with the CSeries liner. Thus, by 2020, the number of major passenger aircraft manufacturers could increase from two to five. At the same time, Boeing and Airbus already in the 2016 - 2017 years will bring to the market the models Boeing 737Max and А320Neo, equipped with new highly efficient engines.

The engine has all the capabilities to saturate the domestic market.

The main technical characteristics of five competing airliners are at the same level. The main advantage of the MC-21 - capacity: 212 passengers in the MC-21-300 version. For comparison, the Airbus A320Neo indicator is 180 passengers, the Boeing 737 Max-8 has 189 passengers, and the Bombardier CS300 has 135 passengers. Also, the Russian plane will have an increased volume of luggage shelves, width of seats and aisle, which will allow for faster loading and unloading of passengers, as well as shorten the period of servicing the car at the airport. The new models of Boeing and Airbus do not have such advantages: they were not developed from scratch, so they inherited their predecessors' fuselages.

The engine has all the capabilities to saturate the domestic market.

Another competitive advantage of the MC-21 is the low cost: the catalog price is 78 million dollars. For comparison, the Airbus 320Neo will cost customers 102,8 million dollars, Boeing 737 Max-8 - 106,9 million dollars, Bombardier CS300 - 80 million dollars.

Oleg Panteleev, executive director of the Aviaport agency, believes that the prospects for selling Russian MS-21 aircraft will depend on three key factors: the production capacity of assembly sites, the sustainability of cooperation in the supply of components, and the possibilities of promoting it to the world market.

While many Russian and foreign companies are not in a hurry to sign firm supply contracts for MC-21. This is primarily due to the fact that the planes have not yet passed the necessary preliminary tests, therefore, in many respects they exist only on paper.

Another major obstacle to the promotion of the project in the global MC-21 market is the lack of a developed after-sales service system. For example, buyers of any Boeing aircraft receive a warranty from the manufacturer for three to four years to repair the main components of the machine. The company also committed to delivering new parts to customers within 12 hours anywhere in the world. If the plane is serviced by the buyer on its own, Boeing fully compensates for the cost of repairs. The Irkut company cannot brag of such level of service yet. In the coming years, she plans to open MC-21 service centers in key cities in Russia and the CIS. To create the necessary infrastructure from scratch, serious capital investments are required.

Despite vague prospects for entering the world market, the MC-21 and ПД-14 projects still can be considered a breakthrough for the domestic aircraft industry. The state creates the necessary aviation infrastructure, establishes production links between enterprises, and stimulates the introduction of new unique technologies. In the long term, this will make it possible to make a serious step to enter the global civil aviation market.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2016 07: 28 New
    +8
    Obviously, the PD-14 will be much better than its foreign counterparts.


    I would very much like to believe. Otherwise, we will not fly without the "engine".
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 30 January 2016 09: 36 New
      10
      article of this type, we should be happy about the "breakthrough", but who ruined our aircraft engine building? Will there be a demand for the fact that the collapse of the real sector of the economy was accompanied by the creation of hundreds of billionaire oligarchs already under Putin. Why did the state not finance the creation of new aircraft in the 90s and early 0s? Probably because money filled the pockets of oligarchs who took money abroad.
      If you look at the PMZ now or at UMPO, it draws attention to the backwardness of the factories, but new imported machines appeared there, but you can’t call these our leading plants factories of the 21st century — too many old equipment is still at these plants, the proportion of manual labor is too high and low labor productivity.
      Salaries at enterprises are a separate issue. People on the periphery survive there. The exploitation of labor is beyond the limits. This very capitalism implanted by the Kremlin will allow us to say that Putin’s Russia is not a state of the people.
      Ufa's average salary
      Visitors to our website from Ufa indicated the following salaries (in rubles):

      paramedic - 7000 (belavtodetal llc)
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      teacher - 16500
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      Engineer - 23000 (APCS)
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      Shift master - 35000 (UMPO)
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      technologist - 60000
      Head of shift - 70000 (Ufaorgsintez OJSC)
      Head of department - 100000 (OJSC Ufaorgsintez)


      https://person-agency.ru/salary/ufa.html

      Date: December 04, 2014, 16:10
      salary in hazardous production 15 000 20 000 thousand! whole 1 b 5 gr !!! melting and casting magnesium alloys !!! milk was canceled !!! ventilation almost does not work !!!
      Date: October 18, 2014 04:32
      I have been working in 21 workshops since 2014 - and the salary that I earn and I drink tea a month is 15 thousand rubles - the question * is it possible for a young man to live on such a poor salary? And yet - I do not work according to my specialty, but I am different for workers (I drag tables, I clean up territories!)

      http://www.rznbook.ru/item/company/784/
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 30 January 2016 10: 04 New
        -2
        Now they will run into fools and stigmatize you as a protege of prosralipolymers, the fifth column and Obama’s agent. I hasten to affix +
        1. MrK
          MrK 30 January 2016 11: 03 New
          +6
          Yeah, developed in the 90s, the NK-93 engine, where a lot of money was invested, has already lost ... Watch the movie on YouTube: "The tragedy of NK-93. How to kill the most advanced motor in the world. "But Putin and his ministers are everything.
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 30 January 2016 11: 29 New
            +9
            I watched this movie. Yes, the movement seems to be very interesting, but the question arises - if it is so advanced, why is it not put into production? Yes, lobbying for interests can explain a lot, but often not all.
            The film expressed only one point of view on the engine.
            But suddenly for customers (such as MO) - it turned out to be too expensive? Or not so reliable? Or is the wrong resource?
            It would be very interesting to know the answers. with that hand hi
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 January 2016 11: 50 New
              10
              Quote: Baikal
              I watched this movie. Yes, the movement seems to be very interesting, but the question arises - if it is so advanced, why is it not put into production?


              what kind of stupid questions do you have, why did you kill the blizzard energy, why did you kill the il96, and why don’t the rest of the planes finance them, TU, YAK, IL, Kuznetsov are on the brink of survival?
              now there is a stirring, but all this is as if for a diversion, on the forums - "here they made a wing for ms21, here they made a tail for ms21 and have been feeding people with such articles for years.
              Capitalism in Russia is the continuous exploitation of the people and almost ALL MONEY goes over the hill. But what does it look like? That is why our country is CONQUERED and we secretly pay the West a permanent contribution, and our government, headed by ourselves, is their proteges. And the main weapon in the fight against the Russian people is the enemy policy of the central bank. Is anything changing? One appearance, almost nothing ...
              1. Cap.Morgan
                Cap.Morgan 30 January 2016 16: 29 New
                -10 qualifying.
                Seeing the indignation of the masses raging like an ocean storm, calls for a new Marxist revolution, admiration for the Soviet system, remembering multiple monetary reforms and expropriations, the business naturally wants to save its money and therefore takes it to the West. Where everything is quiet. Where the Marxists are looked upon as sick. Where people work, and do not remember the turbulent years when the bourgeois were hanged and shot.
                Because tomorrow faithful Leninists will arrange their Maidan here and everything will be lost. Until the people calm down in their crazy impulses no one will invest in the Russian economy.
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 30 January 2016 16: 44 New
                  +2
                  capital and brains began to be withdrawn a long time ago, one can say from the very beginning of capitalism, so don’t lie,
                  Quote: Cap.Morgan
                  Until the people calm down in their insane impulses no one will invest in the Russian economy.


                  no one invests on the contrary, all grandmas flow from here to there ...
                  1. Baikal
                    Baikal 30 January 2016 23: 29 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Sveles
                    some silly questions you have

                    Silly questions would be if I asked why your dad is a zebra.
                    Yes, I’m interested in knowing the opinions of both parties - it will be clearer what is happening. Not everyone, like you, eat inscriptions on the fence.

                    To everyone who humanly answered the question in a thread - thanks hi
                    1. Sweles
                      Sweles 31 January 2016 01: 27 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Baikal
                      Silly questions would be if I asked why your dad is a zebra.
                      Yes, I’m interested in knowing the opinions of both parties - it will be clearer what is happening. Not everyone, like you, eat inscriptions on the fence.


                      for those who put on display Soviet symbols in the avatar, but do not know the outstanding Soviet milestones NK93, although I have already scored points for fuel to the maximum, we can say that you just flew through life ...
                      1. Pajamas
                        Pajamas 31 January 2016 02: 14 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Sveles
                        Quote: Baikal
                        Silly questions would be if I asked why your dad is a zebra.
                        Yes, I’m interested in knowing the opinions of both parties - it will be clearer what is happening. Not everyone, like you, eat inscriptions on the fence.


                        for those who put on display Soviet symbols in the avatar, but do not know the outstanding Soviet milestones NK93, although I have already scored points for fuel to the maximum, we can say that you just flew through life ...


                        Do not write nonsense about the NK-93, it had flaws, for its time it was a fresh idea and a compromise between the Propeller and Turboprops, it was no miracle - NK 93 Capotated turboprop, Do you understand the word SCREW? there are two Screws, this is a minus for high speeds, turbojet engines had their drawbacks but the technology does not stand still and PD 14 compared to NK-93 like heaven and earth. NK-93 could be a competitor to the PS-90, but without a breakthrough in the materials it would be an order of magnitude more a dead end, if it would have been unlikely we would have received the PD-14 now.
                      2. Sweles
                        Sweles 31 January 2016 10: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Pajama
                        but without a breakthrough in the materials, it’s an order of magnitude more - an impasse branch, if it were he, we would hardly have received PD-14 now.


                        Your opinion does not mean much, because there are statements about the NK93 of more competent people who are designers and operators, and they are positive opinions. In addition, + to the NK93 piggy bank, the haste with which the engine was destroyed and the Americans and our corrupt officials were interested in this ...
                      3. Pajamas
                        Pajamas 31 January 2016 11: 35 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Sveles
                        Your opinion does not mean much, because there are statements about the NK93 of more competent people who are designers and operators, and they are positive opinions. In addition, + to the NK93 piggy bank, the haste with which the engine was destroyed and the Americans and our corrupt officials were interested in this ...

                        You know who the developer of NK93 is, if not, then ask what they are offering now, but about the "operators" in general, the extravaganza did not go beyond the stand after 8 years of operation and did not come close to the required characteristics.

                        "The first prototype of the NK-93 prototype (demonstration) engine was created in 1991. In total, 10 engines were undergoing development, of which two were with composite propfan blades. The total operating time of the engines is 3600 hours.

                        The engine gas generator was tested in 1999 at the TsIAM TBC under simulated flight conditions (H = 11 km, Mn = 0,75). According to the results of these tests, the shortfalls in efficiency. (after 8 years of fine-tuning) were: Δη * cnd = 1,8%, Δη * cd = 1,4%, Δη * solid = 7,1%, Δη * tnd = 2%. According to the results of linking the engine parameters in bench conditions, the lack of efficiency propfan Δη * cv = 1 ... 1,5%, efficiency propfan turbine Δη * tvv = 1%. Due to shortfalls in efficiency the actual gas temperature in front of the turbine in takeoff mode exceeded the design temperature by more than 140 ° C, and the specific fuel consumption in the cruise mode of operation exceeded the declared value by 9% (according to CIAM, an assessment was made of the possibility of using the NK-93 engine on Based on the results of these studies, it can be concluded that the use of the NK-93 with the achieved characteristics would lead to a decrease in the flight range of the Tu-214 and Il-96-300 by 7 ... 8% in comparison with the use of PS- 90A .. "

                        They tried to bring him to mind 15 years, with a draft of 18 tons, he weighed 6, you watch less movies, read more all in open sources. The issue of NK-93 has been considered at CIAM meetings more than once, the conclusion is that there is no carrier, another 5-7 years of work are needed to get an estimated result, understand this is a 4th generation engine, it’s already come up 5. Working on the NK-93 no longer makes sense, it's catching up yesterday. You don’t want to understand a simple thing HOW THEN we didn’t have an engine with a thrust of 30 tons and now there is none, everything else is SPECULATION. The cost of developing an engine for 100 LARDS rubles.

                        Thank God, we found money for PD-14 and the entire line, this is a UNIFIED engine, its mass-dimensional and design scheme allows it to be installed on heavy HELICOPTERS, MI-26 at least, replacing the Ukrainian Motor Sich engines.
                      4. Baikal
                        Baikal 31 January 2016 12: 47 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Sveles
                        for those who put on display Soviet symbols in the avatar, but do not know the outstanding Soviet milestones NK93

                        Shame, so shame laughing They learned to write, not very competently, but nevertheless - and indulge in childhood laughing Your uncles have written clearly - finish with films, read books and opinions, study the issue in many ways.
                      5. Sweles
                        Sweles 31 January 2016 15: 50 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Baikal
                        Quote: Sveles
                        for those who put on display Soviet symbols in the avatar, but do not know the outstanding Soviet milestones NK93

                        Shame, so shame laughing They learned to write, not very competently, but nevertheless - and indulge in childhood laughing Your uncles have written clearly - finish with films, read books and opinions, study the issue in many ways.


                        this nerdy guy from the State Department believes that his figures can somehow influence someone’s opinion, but he is mistaken a lie cannot be true, I won’t even seek a refutation of his words, because the main thing is that those who are against ours are no longer with us and here it’s already clear who is lying ...
    2. MrK
      MrK 30 January 2016 20: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: Baikal
      It would be very interesting to know the answers from that side.


      I will answer for that side.
      Their arguments.
      1 - it's heavy. But it turned out the weight of PD-14 as in NK-93. With this traction is almost 20 tons. And fuel consumption, like PD-14.
      The designers said: we’ll finish the tests, reduce the weight by almost a ton, due to new materials and technologies. Not allowed.
      2. It is bulky. It turned out the screws are longer by 30 cm, i.e. like the Boeing 737 engine.
      3. There are no aircraft on which to put it.
      Of course not. Because NK-93 was designed for a whole line of existing and promising long-haul passenger airliners of medium and long range - Tu-204, Tu-214, IL-96-400, military transport aircraft - IL-486, Tu-330. Where is the mass production of these aircraft?
      All Aeroflot Boeing and Airbus.
      4. The development of PD-14 required 80 billion rubles. Then they lowered it a little. To 60 billion. And here everything becomes clear, like God's day. 93 billion was required for the refinement of NK-1,5. And for the development of a new PD-14, well, even after the reduction of 60 billion.
      Robyaty. Can you imagine what opportunities for kickbacks and sawing. I think that's the whole reason. Even if it was the order of the Head of Government, then Putin was fucked up. (Read the book by Alexander Kurlyandchik "Damned Soviet Power" ...) on Prose. RU. Everything is written there.
      1. adept666
        adept666 16 February 2016 09: 34 New
        0
        I will answer for that side.

        What do you say from this fragment (from 29:58 to 30:01)?
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 30 January 2016 22: 28 New
      +3
      an engine that is still being developed, according to the characteristics indicated above (in theory, it doesn’t have it yet) - it only catches up with the engines on the planes for several years — well, maybe it could be a breakthrough for which thread of a country like Hungary or Algeria: ) - but looking back at the history of our industry and science, not a breakthrough :)
    4. adept666
      adept666 16 February 2016 09: 18 New
      +1
      why it is not put into production?

      1: Morally obsolete (production technology) already at the time of its appearance.
      2: A complex gearbox for a civilian aircraft (the level of competence of technical personnel of strategic aviation is higher than civilian), but no one has come up with a gearbox for this class of engines, it is very reliable (not in vain from the NK-12), but it requires appropriate maintenance, which to provide in the context of civil aviation is difficult and expensive.
      3: Too large for short- and medium-haul vehicles (2900 mm diameter)
      4: Difficulties installing even on a large aircraft for reason 3
      5: Great noise and vibration (according to these indicators, international certification will not pass, i.e. the export potential is very foggy).
      6: Changing the approach to designing aircraft engines (on the basis of one platform, several engines of different thrust classes PD-12, PD-18 are built ... but the basis for all PD-14, thereby reducing design time and cost).
      7: Reliability issues are not resolved (poor feathering when the engine is turned off in the air, a high degree of threat to the glider when the fans are destroyed, and if the risk acceptable for a civilian side is unacceptable for a military vehicle with a crew of 4-5 people)
  2. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 30 January 2016 12: 40 New
    +6
    Quote: mrark
    "The tragedy of NK-93. How the most advanced engine in the world was killed."

    First, the planes for which it was produced were killed, then the NK-93 was not needed by anyone. Today there is no car to put it on. Heard KB "Kuznetsov" on the basis of its gas chamber want to make a less powerful and less overall NK-65, but will they cope.
  3. Vadim237
    Vadim237 30 January 2016 12: 45 New
    +5
    You saw the dimensions of the NK 93 engine - under which wing of which aircraft can it be suspended?
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 30 January 2016 13: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      You saw the dimensions of the NK 93 engine - under which wing of which aircraft can it be suspended?

      So it was designed for a LARGE aircraft, such as "Ermak", it seems that some progress has begun on this topic, the two-iron by today's standards is a little outdated, it seems to be recalculated according to new technologies, it should turn out even more beautiful - this will definitely be needed now.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 31 January 2016 19: 48 New
        +2
        An-124 + An-225 + NK-93 + Ulyanovsk "Aviastar" - that was the goal in the last years of the existence of the USSR. Now there is nothing of this, well, except for a certain number of Ruslans. This is the result of the liberals' activities under the control of direct competitors from Boeing and PW.
  4. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 1 February 2016 18: 52 New
    0
    What does it mean, "How was the most advanced motor in the world nk-93 killed"? It was not produced as an aircraft engine (can you tell me, on which aircraft could the NK-93 be installed? What was the need for this engine?), But as a pumping station called "nk-38st" they are serially building (NK-38ST - gas turbine engine for ground use, designed on the basis of the aircraft engine NK-93. Power 16 MW. In serial production since 1998 - PS. That is, "to Putin"), so the technology has not disappeared anywhere
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 30 January 2016 13: 14 New
    +7
    Quote: guzik007
    Now they will run into fools and stigmatize you as a protege of prosralipolymers, the fifth column and Obama’s agent. I hasten to affix +

    But how do you put it "uryakalki" in any case, although with some "excesses", the patriots of their country and do not pour "dirt" on it like you are "fighters" against Putin's "bloody regime".
    Therefore, I hasten to put you "-" smile
    And the fact that our engineers and workers have released a new engine is just fine it’s time for us to switch to our domestic aircraft and engines, especially in civil aviation.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 30 January 2016 15: 24 New
    0
    Quote: guzik007
    Now they will run into fools and stigmatize you as a protege of prosralipolymers, the fifth column and Obama’s agent. I hasten to affix +

    So in a hurry? At the moment, -5 / + 13. Mb one of the five minuses is yours / for seed /?
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 30 January 2016 11: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Sveles
    programmer - 21500

    Something the programmer has some kind of salary, hardly anyone will work for her, except from hopelessness
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 30 January 2016 11: 46 New
      +1
      Well, in our program, the programmer’s salary reaches hundreds, sometimes it depends on qualifications and place of work. request This is capitalism - nobody puts a bun in your mouth - your well-being is your concern and nobody else.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 30 January 2016 11: 43 New
    +4
    Does a handyman want a director’s salary? belay If you want to get more, look for a job by education. Who studied what. If only tables can carry and clean up territory, then who is to blame?
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 30 January 2016 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: g1v2
      Does a handyman want a director’s salary? If you want to get more, look for a job by education. Who studied what.


      Have you ever carefully looked at the list of vacancies in Ufa? Specialists, engineer-salaries of 17-23 thousand, this is a shame for the system ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 January 2016 12: 46 New
        +3
        And what assurance is there that these salaries are clean?
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 30 January 2016 13: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what assurance is there that these salaries are clean?

          This is a Stopuda salary, I know people who have an OFFICIAL salary of 22, plus a surcharge of 7, plus a bonus, total of 35 clean hands — an electronics engineer — CNC maintenance. This is a white salary.
        2. Sweles
          Sweles 30 January 2016 13: 34 New
          -5
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what assurance is there that these salaries are clean?


          the fact that enterprises have to dodge with a salary is an even greater disgrace of the system ...
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 30 January 2016 13: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: Sveles
            the fact that enterprises have to dodge with a salary is an even greater disgrace of the system ...

            For you, this is most likely a "discovery", you seem to be either not working yet, or just in spite of the flag you do not live in Russia - bonuses (monthly quarterly or, for example, annual) and various allowances (night shifts work on holidays or overtime work and so on further) are not taken into account in the salary.
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 January 2016 18: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Sveles
              the fact that enterprises have to dodge with a salary is an even greater disgrace of the system ...

              For you, this is most likely a "discovery", you seem to be either not working yet, or just in spite of the flag you do not live in Russia - bonuses (monthly quarterly or, for example, annual) and various allowances (night shifts work on holidays or overtime work and so on further) are not taken into account in the salary.



              do not lie, do not lie, if they want to give, they do not want to, they will not, there is no control, what you want, do it, "monthly", "quarterly" - all this nonsense, the country is running out of money, the main source is oil and gas, it has dried up there is no currency, so there are no rubles, so cutting off of all articles began, all except the salaries of officials - wild capitalism ...
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 31 January 2016 13: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Sveles
                do not lie, do not lie, they will give it, they don’t want it, they will not

                You certainly never worked.
                I’m not talking about the fact that everyone gives a bonus; I’m talking about that the prize and processing are not included in the salary.
                Quote: Sveles
                - all this rubbish, the country runs out of money, the main source is oil and gas, has dried up, so there is no currency, therefore there are no rubles, so the cuts of all articles, all but the salaries of officials, began, wild capitalism ...

                Well, now play the favorite song of all liberals and other fighters against the "bloody regime" - I know Putin is to blame for everything !! lol
          2. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 30 January 2016 22: 33 New
            +1
            why the shame of the system? 0 the system works:) - the current works for itself - a statement by the head of the Siberian regional center Sergey Didenko addressed to the minister asking him to provide him with financial assistance in the amount of 600 thousand rubles in connection with the difficult financial situation. And, interestingly, the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations granted this request. - and this is just what got on the Internet ...
      2. Inok10
        Inok10 30 January 2016 13: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Sveles
        Have you ever carefully looked at the list of vacancies in Ufa? Specialists, engineer-salaries of 17-23 thousand, this is a shame for the system ...

        .. from the next article ..
        To prepare the workers necessary for the plant, they created their own training center. The salary of 28-30 thousand rubles has just been completed. Unique specialists, experienced professionals earn from 60 to 117 thousand. "
        .. http://topwar.ru/90032-perezhivshie-myasorubku.html ..
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 30 January 2016 13: 27 New
          -12 qualifying.
          Quote: Inok10
          from the next article ..
          To prepare the workers necessary for the plant, they created their own training center. The salary of 28-30 thousand rubles has just been completed. Unique specialists, experienced professionals earn from 60 to 117 thousand. " .. http://topwar.ru/90032-perezhivshie-myasorubku.html ..


          article probably a lie thrown
          Here are the data on vacancies and salaries at the Altai plant Rotor
          Open vacancies:

          Position, specialty

          Nature, working hours

          Social guarantees

          Wages

          Controller of machine and metalwork

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport

          16000

          Leading Occupational Safety Specialist

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport

          20000

          Software Engineer

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport


          Manufacturing Engineer

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport

          20000

          Turner 3-4 categories

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport

          18000

          Loader transporter (electric driver)

          Constantly from 8-00 to 17-00

          Social package, official transport

          18000

          Contact Information

          http://apzrotor.ru/company/career/vakansii
          1. Приговор
            Приговор 30 January 2016 17: 30 New
            +1
            Get out of the branch, copywriter. Or write on the topic.
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 January 2016 18: 33 New
              -2
              Quote: Sentence
              Get out of the branch, copywriter. Or write on the topic.

              not so gone as you wanted? you can stand in a corner and cry there ...
              1. Baikal
                Baikal 31 January 2016 13: 05 New
                0
                Cry in the corner rather to you, the cryman - he read the inscriptions in the outhouses and it tears the vest in people - everything is gone !! laughing
                Are you not happy with everything in Russia? Raise your ass and go where it's warmer laughing In our country there are people who live and work in good faith, do not measure everything by yourself, a whiner)
          2. n.kolesnichenko
            n.kolesnichenko 30 January 2016 20: 24 New
            +2
            Again time? Oh well ...
      3. co-creator
        co-creator 30 January 2016 15: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Sveles
        Have you ever carefully looked at the list of vacancies in Ufa? Specialists, engineer-salaries of 17-23 thousand, this is a shame for the system ...

        There are no such salaries for a long time. Or it’s an engineer who does nothing and needs to plug a hole in the state.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 30 January 2016 16: 15 New
          -1
          Quotation: blooded man
          There are no such salaries for a long time. Or it’s an engineer who does nothing and needs to plug a hole in the state.


          straight though ssy in the eye ...
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 30 January 2016 16: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Sveles
            straight though ssy in the eye ...

            You yes. Therefore, this vacancy hangs, that engineers have no such salaries. It’s easier for him to feed the operator of the CNC machine and get 50 rubles. Only you are not able to understand this because you need to remember your god Putin in a bustle.
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 January 2016 16: 40 New
              -2
              Quotation: blooded man
              Quote: Sveles
              straight though ssy in the eye ...

              You yes. Therefore, this vacancy hangs, that engineers have no such salaries. It’s easier for him to feed the operator of the CNC machine and get 50 rubles. Only you are not able to understand this because you need to remember your god Putin in a bustle.


              and the fact that he gave links to this stuffing about the Rotor plant, why don’t you see?
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 30 January 2016 17: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Sveles
                and the fact that he gave links to this stuffing about the Rotor plant, why don’t you see?

                I did not say that this is a stuffing. I wrote that there are no such salaries. Of course you can offer it. but none of the good engineers will go. The sense of this vacancy. If the rotor works, then the engineers there get half a normal salary of at least 50.
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 30 January 2016 17: 53 New
                  -2
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  If the rotor works, then the engineers there get half a normal salary of at least 50.

                  those. factory calls for 15 thousand. -Officially, you assume that this is a lie, but your words are from the ceiling, of course, is it true? You lied dude, here’s an article about the famous Uralvagonzavod, where armata are made in which people are paid 2/3 of their salaries just to not ruin the plant. But if you need to support banks, the government can do this easily, but to support existing enterprises thin ...
                  Everyone is kept at 2/3 (and not salary, but salary) in order to keep the team and to let go to work. If the company were privately owned, market cuts would not have been possible without cuts in the civilian sector. But UVZ does not go for it and does not plan in the future. This also explains the difficulties with paying wages, ”says an interlocutor of AN Between the Lines.

                  https://mstrok.ru/news/rabochie-uralvagonzavoda-zhaluyutsya-na-zaderzhku-zarplat
                  y.-rukovodstvo-korporacii-zhdyot-obeshhannoj-pomoshhi-ot-pravitelstva.html
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 30 January 2016 18: 46 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Sveles
                    those. factory calls for 15 thousand. -Officially, you assume that this is a lie, but your words are from the ceiling, of course, is it true? You lied dude

                    This is not a lie, but simply profanity. None of the normal specialists will go to such a salary, you know or not. If the plant really needs an engineer, then they, with the help of a bonus, will finish this salary to a normal level. In my city no one will work for less than 50 k, and good specialists are good at grabbing. It’s easier to write from 30 to 60, for example, and you yourself already discuss your salary on the spot. If you are needed, then people are given 100 at once.
                    I don’t know how things are at this plant, but the fact that for 15 k engineers do not work there, I guarantee. Leaders get a minimum of 40-50.

                    Quote: Sveles
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    If the rotor works, then the engineers there get half a normal salary of at least 50.

                    those. factory calls for 15 thousand. -Officially, you assume that this is a lie, but your words are from the ceiling, of course, is it true? You lied dude, here’s an article about the famous Uralvagonzavod, where armata are made in which people are paid 2/3 of their salaries just to not ruin the plant. But if you need to support banks, the government can do this easily, but to support existing enterprises thin ...
                    Everyone is kept at 2/3 (and not salary, but salary) in order to keep the team and to let go to work. If the company were privately owned, market cuts would not have been possible without cuts in the civilian sector. But UVZ does not go for it and does not plan in the future. This also explains the difficulties with paying wages, ”says an interlocutor of AN Between the Lines.

                    https://mstrok.ru/news/rabochie-uralvagonzavoda-zhaluyutsya-na-zaderzhku-zarplat

                    y.-rukovodstvo-korporacii-zhdyot-obeshhannoj-pomoshhi-ot-pravitelstva.html

                    Everything is more complicated here. UVZ actually belongs to private traders, there was even an article about it. The state generally signed a contract for ARMATU and are still modernizing the T-72 in large quantities. Where is the money from this, that’s the question.
          2. n.kolesnichenko
            n.kolesnichenko 30 January 2016 20: 26 New
            -2
            Why? Provocateur can and piss!
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 30 January 2016 17: 39 New
          -1
          Quotation: blooded man
          There are no such salaries for a long time

          Do you still live in 1996?
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 30 January 2016 15: 45 New
        +7
        I have a mother with a pension of 12 thousand and traveled all over Europe with the same salary. You can’t make money at home - go where they pay. For example, I have half a brigade from other regions, there are also from Donbass. And if you wait when dumplings jump into your mouth, you will die of hunger. request
      5. n.kolesnichenko
        n.kolesnichenko 30 January 2016 20: 23 New
        0
        https://rabota.yandex.ru/search?text=вакансии%20сегодня%20от%20прямых%20работода
        & rid = 172 & from = wizard¤cy = RUR & page_num = 2 Maybe lie is enough? Here are the REAL salaries and REAL vacancies in Ufa !!!
  • Inok10
    Inok10 30 January 2016 12: 49 New
    15
    Quote: Sveles
    The exploitation of labor is beyond the limits. This very capitalism instilled by the Kremlin will allow us to say that Putin’s Russia is not a people's state.

    ... specially highlighted the essence of this post .. dirt and no more .. fool
    Quote: Sveles
    but who ditched our aircraft engine industry? Will there be any demand for the collapse of the real sector of the economy accompanied by the creation of hundreds of billionaire oligarchs already under Putin.

    ... our aircraft industry, like the USSR, was ruined by such characters screaming and going to rallies in the late 80s, and not working .. well, it turns out the oligarchs appeared only with GDP, like that, guys, and we don’t even know .. that is, Khodorkovsky appeared at the GDP, and not the GDP he sent him to the bunk and returned to the country 80% of oil production .. The Garden Ring of 1990th in the photo .. Anyone wanting to repeat ?!.. me not ! .. I will be with Saiga on the other side of the barricade .. soldier
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 30 January 2016 13: 20 New
    +3
    Date: October 18, 2014 04:32
    I have been working in 21 workshops since 2014 - and the salary that I earn and I fall tea a month 15 thousand rubles - question * is it possible to live on such a poor salary for a young man? And yet - I work not according to my specialty, but different for workers (I drag tables, I clean territories!)


    That is, a person works as a laborer and wants to get millions for it? It is an adequate salary for such a low-skilled position.
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 30 January 2016 14: 12 New
      +1
      Everything is correct. A padded jacket, for YOU a janitor, a handyman, a cleaner or a dishwasher - a BLACK BONE, and THEY should NOT, in YOUR opinion, be normal how to live. And YOU WITH EDUCATION - A WHITE BONE, should live as YOU want. That's when LABOR and QUALITY of its execution will be appreciated, then I think there will be equality in society, and the janitor will be equal to the banker.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 30 January 2016 15: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: Starik72
        Everything is correct. A padded jacket, for YOU a janitor, a handyman, a cleaner or a dishwasher - a BLACK BONE, and THEY should NOT, in YOUR opinion, be normal how to live. And YOU WITH EDUCATION - A WHITE BONE, should live as YOU want. That's when LABOR and QUALITY of its execution will be appreciated, then I think there will be equality in society, and the janitor will be equal to the banker.

        ... do not distort Quince correctly emphasized .. study, become a specialist and earn! .. and, if you don’t know how, bring anything besides, give it, go to ..., don’t interfere .. then the payment of such work is equivalent .. remind ?! .. In the USSR, a cleaner received 60 rubles, and an engineer 120 rubles. .. hi
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 31 January 2016 12: 56 New
          -1
          Monk 10. Now, if you dug up a dozen cubic meters of clay soil with rubble, or hand-rolled a tone of five metal while processing it on a machine, maybe then you would understand the price of simple labor. And so YOU ​​went to college after school, graduated from it and not knowing the price of simple labor, you start screaming how I get it almost like a cleaner, and I’m an engineer, although a good engineer will come out of you only when you work for five years specialties, and you will get the necessary experience. Something like this INLK10. You can minus me, but this is my opinion, because I passed this school from a shovel to engineers, and I think that sane people will support me. We must respect any work, whatever it is was!
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 30 January 2016 15: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Starik72
        Everything is correct. A padded jacket, for YOU a janitor, a handyman, a cleaner or a dishwasher - a BLACK BONE, and THEY should NOT, in YOUR opinion, be normal how to live. And YOU WITH EDUCATION - A WHITE BONE, should live as YOU want. That's when LABOR and QUALITY of its execution will be appreciated, then I think there will be equality in society, and the janitor will be equal to the banker.

        And that somewhere a handyman gets good money? Write where. in which country. Usually such people work in two jobs to live well and that’s normal.
        The quality of what? Tables to carry? So everyone can do it.
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 30 January 2016 17: 53 New
          +3
          How we like to do nothing and get good money. Better yet, take away and divide. Our country has no future with such people. Why study? All for the brooms !! For life "like everyone else" !!
          1. sandrmur76
            sandrmur76 31 January 2016 15: 55 New
            +1
            I hope everyone remembers 00 when higher education was bought in the transitions. It’s worth picking these (scientists) and there will be no limit to surprise. Many of my friends who had real diplomas did not work according to their profile. If a person was born in a province (village, village), what should he pay not worth it. If everyone will be engineers who will work with their hands? And then divorced managers, economists, accountants and stylists are already sick. A man in a house cannot hammer a nail (manicure). And the difference in the USSR between an engineer and a cleaner is only half. NOW? I'm glad for those who settled down, but it’s not worth it to spread rot.
        2. Starik72
          Starik72 31 January 2016 13: 06 New
          0
          One believer. And you answer directly, that means you have to walk clean and in a tie since you are educated, while others without education must clean up the dirt for you and perform BLACK WORK, so what. And yet, and you were digging cubic meters of land, you nanny metal on your hands, or dragged the same tables before judging people for what they do for you black work?
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 30 January 2016 16: 38 New
        0
        This is called communism. But he will never be.
      4. n.kolesnichenko
        n.kolesnichenko 30 January 2016 20: 35 New
        +1
        What, a cleaner, dishwasher or handyman can create more engineer? Yes, with such concepts, we would still be in the Stone Age !!! I recommend reading the work of Marx "Capital" What PRODUCT does a handyman create? !! What is created by a janitor? !! Maybe these categories still belong to the service staff?
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 31 January 2016 13: 11 New
          +1
          Nikolay, can you do without the labor of a cleaning lady, dishwasher, janitor, worker, collective farmer?
  • co-creator
    co-creator 30 January 2016 15: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Sveles
    .This same capitalism instilled by the Kremlin will allow us to say that Putin’s Russia is not a nation-state.

    Maybe you can name at least one people's state, huh? Maybe the state is building Boeing and Watermelon, eh? Maybe Soviet aircraft were competitive in the market? HOW do you like to throw something on the fan.
    And for the future. Write the name of the president of YOUR country as it should with a capital letter, respect yourself then and they will respect you in the world.
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  • Garris199
    Garris199 30 January 2016 17: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Sveles
    Why did the state not finance the creation of new aircraft in the 90s and early 0s?

    Weird question. And what was funded in the 90s? It is not an easy task to squeeze at least part of the country from the oligarchs and is not done in a year or two. The country was in such an outfit that it was not up to aircraft engines. The country needed money, there were huge debts, the war in the Caucasus went on for a minute. What in the first place they did.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 January 2016 18: 37 New
      +1
      Then all the aircraft developed on their own initiatives - without funding.
  • n.kolesnichenko
    n.kolesnichenko 30 January 2016 20: 18 New
    +1
    What kind of salary can a person have who receives a "beggar" and not a beggarly salary and does not work in his specialty (what a !!!), but "different to the workers !!! Let him say thank you that at least this is" pALU "!!!
  • not main
    not main 30 January 2016 23: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Sveles
    Sveles RU Today, 09:36 ↑ New

    I was especially impressed that the Chief Accountant had a salary of 7500, but the accountant had 13500! And where is the logic? Or just numbers from the ceiling?
  • max702
    max702 30 January 2016 13: 17 New
    +1
    To create the necessary infrastructure from scratch, serious capital investments will be required.
    This is where to invest, not in American "valuable" papers! am
  • Pajamas
    Pajamas 30 January 2016 16: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: aszzz888
    Obviously, the PD-14 will be much better than its foreign counterparts.


    I would very much like to believe. Otherwise, we will not fly without the "engine".

    I, frankly, do not see superiority, in terms of the degree of bypass, it loses to competitors, which will affect the traction. Without a doubt, this is an outstanding engine for the situation in which our engine building fell after the collapse in the 90s, but can you really be proud only of "lacking analogs" and "much better", such engines can still make 2-3 countries, this is quite a reason for pride without ridiculous provincial bragging ... There will be a whole line of PD engines, if they do not rest on their laurels, then with the degree of cooperation that has been achieved, both in scientific and financial terms, this is not the last success.
  • lexa333
    lexa333 30 January 2016 08: 14 New
    0
    It should be faster and more.
    1. Eggor
      Eggor 30 January 2016 08: 51 New
      +6
      First MS-21:
    2. zoknyay82
      zoknyay82 30 January 2016 11: 23 New
      +1
      "... the start of serial production is scheduled for 2017 ..." The slowness of our managers is killing, either they are going to live for three hundred years, or they receive money from competitors. Now technologies are becoming obsolete at the speed of light, while pencils will be sharpened, something new will already be on the market. sad
      1. Eggor
        Eggor 31 January 2016 18: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: zoknyay82
        Technology is now becoming obsolete at the speed of light

        Still would have mastered ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2016 08: 23 New
    +5
    I sincerely want the engine to go into series. In an industrial country, he has a lot of work. From aviation to ships and power plants. It is necessary to lobby the implementation without hesitation, up to installation on the purchased Airbus 3 .. and Boeing 737 .. let us fly with our dviglom.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 30 January 2016 15: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is necessary to lobby lobbying without hesitation

      So I do not understand. Our companies bought 140 aircraft, and with the PD-14 only 17 aircraft. How can this be? That there is no leverage or for example a discount that the state will reimburse? So we will never advance this dvigun.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 30 January 2016 08: 39 New
    0
    the main thing is not to stall the process and move on, a very promising direction for the further development of many sectors of the economy + import substitution
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 30 January 2016 13: 13 New
      +1
      I'm afraid that the fate of this engine will not differ much from the fate of the PS-90.
  • Jan2016
    Jan2016 30 January 2016 08: 53 New
    +1
    As I understand it, so far, that only the prerequisites for success and then everything will depend on the service. Unfortunately, very large investments of money are required here even at the initial stage. Organization of service at each Russian sufficiently large airport and the desired urgent delivery of parts. And I suspect it will not be easy. Not to mention the world service as a Boeing.
  • lotar
    lotar 30 January 2016 09: 07 New
    +4
    At the expense of Europe, I have strong doubts about their desire to buy Russian-made airplanes. It's very simple, despite the higher cost of Boeing and an airbus, our Grajian airplanes, as well as the military, will be of interest to them only in terms of technology. Plus sanctions, which are most likely they will be strengthened even more, since the Russian Federation is needed only as a supplier of cheap resources, and in no way is a manufacturer of the final product, with rare exceptions. Plus, many factors, such as support for their own manufacturer, will not these concerns fire their employees.
  • surrozh
    surrozh 30 January 2016 09: 17 New
    +2
    A truly real breakthrough. "Monocrystalline titanium blade with ceramic coating" - sounds like a song to industrialists and scientists.
  • kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 30 January 2016 09: 29 New
    0
    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50877

    No one knows how to find the full text of this meeting? I used to be on the site, now amba. And then the ending there was very curious, when discussing the further fate of PD-14.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 30 January 2016 09: 33 New
    +1
    At least Russian airlines will have to transfer them to their planes - there will already be hundreds of cars. And now everyone, even on domestic flights, flies on Boeings and "watermelons".
  • Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 30 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +3
    And I'm interested in the issue of production capacity? Who will make the engines?
    Aircraft engine is a high-tech product. When the question arose of replacing Zaporizhzhya engines for helicopters, it turned out that our industry was not in a hurry to supply them ...
    In Soviet times, the current "Motor Sich" (then the name was different), produced more than a thousand a year. It was a gigantic enterprise with branches. And a giant plant from scratch is not easy to build, and it does not require small investments. And to this add training. Because marriage in this technique is very expensive.
    1. Ilya77
      Ilya77 30 January 2016 14: 12 New
      +2
      Do not worry, Perm Engine Plant is a giant plant. We ourselves supply a lot of things to PD-14, the attention from the authorities is very close, and we have a good time frame. Here AvtoVAZ podgadil us, closed the production of the only components we need in Russia.
  • go
    go 30 January 2016 12: 14 New
    +4
    Regarding the foreign market: I would recommend that before actively advertising, go through the quiet certification of ms21 with PD14 first. Because they don’t like competitors there.
  • runway
    runway 30 January 2016 12: 25 New
    0
    And this is a "breakthrough project"?
    Personally, I expected that its performance characteristics would be, if not an order of magnitude higher, then at least look more convincing to call it a "breakthrough" .... I don't want to offend the people who worked, but in reality it is just a replacement for imports.
    We know what a "breakthrough project" is from our recent past, when our aircraft set dozens of new world records, and were decades ahead of our partners in terms of the number of implemented engineering solutions.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 January 2016 20: 01 New
      +1
      Order is TEN TIMES! Is this, should the engine be fed with the holy spirit in general?
      Records are good. But the record of efficiency, low noise, turnaround time - such imperceptible records, but the old "Boeings" and "Airbuses" precisely in terms of efficiency and turnaround time "survived" Tu and Il. And Yaki too.
      Read a comparison of the operating costs of IL 96 and Boeing. They are online.
      And the engine is really wonderful. And the competitors tensed up, but there are not so many of them ...
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 January 2016 12: 27 New
    +3
    You read such news; it seems to be joyful, but the question always arises - where and when traditions disappeared. Why on our aircraft suddenly appeared almost exclusively imported engines (including Ukrainian)?

    With a quiet glander, a certain globalization and international cooperation took place, which, in essence, is the formation of dependence. Well, if the addiction has not become critical. But is it true in all sectors?

    Sadness.
    1. Cook
      Cook 30 January 2016 17: 52 New
      +3
      Yes, because we have traditions, predominantly in military engine building. And civilian technology always followed in the wake of military development. Our first civilian engine is the D-36, and even that is not a very good copy of one of the versions of the RB-211. PS-90 is the level of the beginning of 70 years, when compared with foreign counterparts. Therefore, the news about PD-14 is very good, its parameters are at a fairly high level. Loss in the bypass ratio is negligible, and this affects fuel consumption more than traction. Moreover, the PD-14 is a family with traction if I am not mistaken from 11 to 18 tons.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 30 January 2016 12: 44 New
    +4
    What is our economists lack of consciousness. As soon as we do something really worthwhile, we will immediately look for where to sell it. Or maybe we will provide the domestic market first? It will take about 30 years to survive all of these Airbases and Boeing.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 30 January 2016 12: 46 New
    +2
    One may ask, what does a new engine or a qualitatively new physical process with the help of a mechanical device need? There is a fundamental difference in this as a result. Then the answer is quite simple. The new engine relies on completely outdated principles and methods for creating a physical process on blades, drives, etc. Therefore, a breakthrough may not be made in accessing global markets. but in the orientation towards the creation of simple, solid, but qualitatively new devices and at completely new physical processes organized in it. Those who do not understand this have already lost the race of technologies and the corresponding results. That is, he will be in a losing process, which means that he will be lagging and catching up all the time.
  • Fat
    Fat 30 January 2016 14: 42 New
    +2
    The article is good, but in my opinion, the author is overly optimistic.
  • Fat
    Fat 30 January 2016 14: 49 New
    +4
    Flight tests PD-14.
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    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 January 2016 15: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Thick
      Flight tests PD-14.

      Here are the tricks on Ilyusha

      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 January 2016 18: 41 New
        +1
        In the second photo of NK 93
  • 8140
    8140 30 January 2016 15: 25 New
    +6
    I really hope that works out.
    And then I remember the shots, as Shuvalov ran around the finished TU-334 and screamed that the whole topic was closed, we do not need this board.
    Then it was also according to IL-96.
    And we gave light to the Boeing and Airbus.
    Note in those years, it was not at all fat. And they directly pumped out state money or sat on imported spare parts and services.
    Do not tell me the average rollback for Boeing?)
    1. Cook
      Cook 30 January 2016 18: 25 New
      +5
      Who was the customer for the Tu-334? How quickly could they set up their production and produce 300-400 cars to saturate the market? If, by the time of the collapse of the Union, mass production of new generation aircraft had already been established, then such a bias towards foreign technology would have been impossible. Our country is huge, without aviation anywhere, how can one risk it? Indeed, old domestic planes flew until the moment when all the pluses took off before major repairs, the cost of which negated the advantage of the absence of leasing payments during their operation. As for the kickbacks, I won’t say it, I don’t just know, but the fact that it was very quickly possible to saturate the market with competitive aircraft on very good conditions for airlines is a fact. By the way, for information, the owners of about 65% of the aircraft in the Transaero fleet are: Sberbank-leasing, VEV-leasing, VTB-leasing, IFC.
      1. 8140
        8140 30 January 2016 19: 18 New
        +1
        Judging by your comment, you either related to the destruction of the project or are related specifically to the promotion of Boeing and Airbus. Or maybe they were promoting the An 140 project, which are at a joke, or they were promoting the Superjet,
        Let me remind you):

        On December 30, 2003, the Tu-334-100 aircraft received a certificate of type ST231-Tu-334-100. [1] In 2005, a series of tests were conducted to expand the expected operating conditions. As a result of the work performed to the Type Certificate, a data card of publication No. 2 was received, confirming the possibility of operating the aircraft without restrictions in almost all regions of the world. [2] Further, additional tests of the aircraft were carried out [3]

        On April 15, 2005, a government decree was signed on the organization of mass production of the Tu-334 at the S. P. Gorbunov KAPO [4]. However, this decision was not fulfilled; the Tu-334 was not included in the Federal Target Program “Development of Russian Civil Aviation Engineering for 2002-2010 and for the Period Until 2015”. According to the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, this did not happen based on the results of a market analysis, a study of supply and demand, but due to the fact that the developers of the Federal Target Program Tu-334 was recognized as competitive with respect to the RRJ project


        As a result, Shuvalov buried the finished production of Tu.
        With attempts resumed IL-76, a single issue.
        And just think about the resumption of the Tu-160, and now there would be ready-made specialists and the production cycle.
        Remind which aircraft is used to train Tu160 pilots.
        1. Cook
          Cook 30 January 2016 20: 33 New
          +9
          No, I’m just an employee of one of the airlines in Russia. The operator so to speak. Along with the aircraft produced by Boeing and Airbus, Tu-214 and Tu-204s aircraft were operated at my company. The cost of their leasing exceeded 25 percent, the cost of leasing similar aircraft of Western production. The aircraft itself, from a technical point of view, did not cause any negative emotions. But there were some operational issues, for example: the need to launch the APU during take-off and landing, to power the air conditioning system. And all because the engines, at reduced pressure and elevated temperature, do not give out the declared thrust, and therefore it is impossible to take off with the air taken off from the engines. The failure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, put the plane to the fence, while it is not being repaired. Ie for several months. With the engine, if a bird gets into it or another FOD happens, the same problems. There are no free engines to replace. MMEL is in its infancy. Documentation - the devil himself will not understand. You can’t get any spare parts, and if there are, then a bunch of intermediaries greatly upsets their price. All equipment is practically piece-wise. Something from the manufacturer to achieve a problem, you have to pay for everything. T.O. periodic, a few organizations perform. Tell me, even out of a hypertrophied sense of patriotism, will airline owners accept such difficulties? Can normal transportation be arranged with such after-sales service? How to keep the schedule, if everything is almost unpredictable? And the price of tickets, you can’t lift up, there are competitors who have no such problems. I will pass to passengers a Type Certificate with a Data Card, in order to justify delays, will I show what?
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 30 January 2016 18: 47 New
    +6
    Quotation: blooded man
    Quote: Sveles
    Have you ever carefully looked at the list of vacancies in Ufa? Specialists, engineer-salaries of 17-23 thousand, this is a shame for the system ...

    There are no such salaries for a long time. Or it’s an engineer who does nothing and needs to plug a hole in the state.

    I do not know how in all other regions of Russia, but I went to the site of the Omsk Machine-Building Enterprise named after P.I.Baranova, in my specialty (tester-mechanic of aircraft engines), immediately offer 50000 rubles. I must say right away that I am writing from Ukraine, and for me such salaries (against 6000 rubles in Ukraine at the exchange rate) are equivalent to a million. And are you still dissatisfied with something else in Russia?
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 January 2016 20: 04 New
      +3
      Well, go, do not hesitate. Lost in Dill ...
  • AlexA
    AlexA 30 January 2016 20: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: g1v2
    If you want to get more, look for a job by education. Who studied what. If only tables can carry and clean up territory, then who is to blame?

    It would be good. But in reality - not so.
    Recently I visited the recruiting sites in Perm.
    So here: loaders, storekeepers, especially sales managers are offered higher salaries than technologists and designers.
    Who, interestingly, will make this very "innovation"?
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  • Cook
    Cook 30 January 2016 23: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: 8140
    As a result, Shuvalov buried the finished production of Tu.
    With attempts resumed IL-76, a single issue.
    And just think about the resumption of the Tu-160, and now there would be ready-made specialists and the production cycle.
    Remind which aircraft is used to train Tu160 pilots.


    What kind of finished production are you talking about? About the transfer of documentation to KAPO?
    Issue updated IL-76 resumed at a new location.
    These experts recently released the Tu-214. The release of Tu160 is a completely different matter.
    Tu-134UBL is used for training, and what is Tu-334 capable of replacing it in this matter?
    I am for domestic aircraft. But to launch the production in 2005 of an aircraft which they began to design in 1986, and whose serial production was planned to begin in 1993, I consider it inappropriate.
    1. 8140
      8140 31 January 2016 22: 08 New
      +1
      And let's in this case, we will not produce anything in the civilian aviation industry.
      Great thought.
      The entire Russian short-range aircraft project was buried.
      If you can, write for example, at least one such project of a short-haul aircraft, which would be with a full production cycle in Russia from Russian components, ready for production since 2005.
      ?
      It does not exist)
      MS-21 give birth in such attempts that Caesar had to be back in 2010.
      And the Tu-334 project underpinned the development of many related areas of industrial production.
      Great fresh aircraft, began to design in 1986.
      Think about when you started designing the Boeing 737 and Airbus 300 series.
      Evolution is not limited to these Western models.
      The Tu334 was planned a series of 100, 100C, 200, 220, Series SM, Series D.
      If you are an operator, you probably know what Severstal, Rusline operates and what Austrian Airlines also drives us.
      If the start to production was given in 2005, then in 10 years we would have had our full-fledged short-haul board.
      Now is the year 2016 and in fact we have 0.
      And now we are expediently exploiting Boeings, airbases and embers. As a Leningrad group) I cry and cry) Sorry, but logically, you are clearly in the subject for some $ issues. I do not judge. Excuse me, everyone can. But for you to think, for example, about a German who speaks, but let's close the following bass projects, because. with them, too, some technical problems constantly appear, constantly something needs to be done, etc., etc. And now we will buy Tu 214?
  • Mestny
    Mestny 31 January 2016 02: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: guzik007
    Now they will run into fools and stigmatize you as a protege of prosralipolymers, the fifth column and Obama’s agent. I hasten to affix +

    You are wrong. No "uryakalok" exist. For example, "cotton wool" does not exist.
    This is all from the new manuals, and you are repeating them stupidly.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 6 May 2017 20: 37 New
    0
    This is the engine of the degradation of scientific thought, first of all. In general, it looks very funny when one part of the scientists explores and understands the enormous potential of the human brain, and the other part rests and creates devices that are morally outdated in their concept and do not want to accept new fundamental ideas. these two components are impossible. Although it is worth recognizing that "any fruit must ripen"
  • efendia
    efendia 7 June 2017 07: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    Seeing the indignation of the masses raging like an ocean storm, calls for a new Marxist revolution, admiration for the Soviet system, remembering multiple monetary reforms and expropriations, the business naturally wants to save its money and therefore takes it to the West. Where everything is quiet. Where the Marxists are looked upon as sick. Where people work, and do not remember the turbulent years when the bourgeois were hanged and shot.


    And even 3-4 years ago, this indignation was not particularly special, only the government, through its actions to rob the population and other lawlessness with taxes, the ostentatious fight against corruption and changes in favor of law officials, leads the country to the growth of these indignations. It’s just a shame that these patriots are from the authorities, in which case they are the first to slip away over the hill, and ordinary people will suffer as always. In fact, there is a near-power business with budget support, they withdraw money, and a business that grows without state investments basically survives. At the same time, the state has removed itself from everything except tax collection, and even created a bunch of pads to collect money, such as the market itself will regulate. Although around the world the state regulates and supports economic and economic activity in the country where necessary, and we only support officials or those close to the government (the rest are trivial) and come up with such casuistic laws and obstacles that without a pint a normal person cannot will figure it out (such as a pension ball system where even employees of the FIU do not understand everything). But any parasites divorced feeding from the budget and not bringing material wealth. And when there is no real sector of the economy and production, we will sit on an oil needle and depend on the dollar exchange rate like a banana republic, no matter how many people shout about the greatness of Russia. The government, through its actions, is trying to show that they are doing something, but without a comprehensive solution to all economic problems, it is impossible to boost the economy, that the current government is too tough for nothing, they have been talking for many years and are doing nothing good. It was only thanks to the sanctions that they began to try a little, and even then putting the cart in front of the horse.
  • efendia
    efendia 7 June 2017 08: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    but the old Boeings and Airbases, in terms of efficiency and the overhaul interval, “survived” Tu and Il. And Yaki too.

    If the union would not have collapsed, they would also have come to profitability, since there was renewal and development. And now, practically from scratch, to raise everything.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 3 August 2017 19: 50 New
    0
    And as if against the background of sanctions to introduce barrage duties on the acquisition of foreign airliners - not fate, of course?
    Well, and Luntik on the head to fuck him with his own words about the need to get rid of the "old Soviet planes" - words can only be made in duralumin. I’m afraid his empty head will not survive.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 11 December 2018 08: 28 New
      0
      In Russia, two million pests - officials. Against 800 in the USSR with 000 million inhabitants.
      And everyone needs to be fed.
      And everything is like lice fed from a Russian manufacturer. And they kill anyone who only dares. Now I’m listening to Vesti FM of a machine tool builder who produces the best laser cutting machines in the world. Horror! This is necessary for bureaucrats of all ranks, starting with ...., so hate Russian manufacturers.
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 11 December 2018 08: 24 New
    0
    "... It is obvious that PD-14 will be much better than foreign analogues ..."
    This is "much better" - what is it?
    In price? I'd love to.
    In the resource? This is not right away. I remember at our airport the first Il-76T (76502 and so on) after 500 hours stood on the UTR without D-30KP engines, it seems. But it was a long time ago - 1977.
    What else is "much better"? Fuel consumption? No.
    Craving? Um ...).
    Weight?
    The only advantage is home. All!