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Two rifles of two World Wars


Of all the variety weapons, used in the World Wars, in both managed to participate only a small number of types. The most famous of them are the rifles, the Russian-Soviet Mosin rifle and the German Mauser 98.

Trilinear rifle arr. 1891 of the year

In the second half of the XIX century in the Russian Empire there were certain problems with small arms for the army. Its peak came at 60, when at a fast pace and without much deliberation half a dozen different types of rifles were used for different cartridges. Then this step was recognized unreasonable, and DA Milyutin, who was at the time the Minister of War, later described the situation as an “unfortunate gun drama”. As a result, for many years almost all the time there was work and disputes around the renewal of the “park” of small arms, but we are only interested in the 1892 contest of the year to create a multiply charged rifle. It should be noted, then rifles (the word-abbreviation for "the rifle gun") was called any rifled weapon, and what is now understood by this word was then called a gun. Foreign samples were the first to be presented to the competition: Mannicher's 8-mm guns (Austria) and Krag-Jørgensen (Denmark). The following year, Sergey Ivanovich Mosin and Leon Nagan submitted their applications for participation, the weapon of the first one had the caliber 7,62 mm, the second - 8 mm. Interestingly, the creation of Nagant shortly before that was lost to the Mauser rifle in a competition of the Belgian army. Not wanting to lose another "tender", Nagan even suggested that the Russian military should modify his rifle to the newly developed cartridge 7,62х54 mm. This cartridge was created by N.F. Rogovtsev on the basis of the Belgian 8-mm cartridge and at that time was considered the most promising for the Russian army.
According to the results of the tests, only samples of Mosin and Nagant were passed to the next round of the competition, although in the year 1890 two more different dozen different guns were additionally considered. In the same year, comparative trials of both rifles began, and the next year they adopted the Mosin rifle. True, it was no longer the prototype of the 89 of the year: at the insistence of the competition commission, Sergei Ivanovich introduced into his project a number of innovations, including those borrowed from Nagant (again, the demand of the military).

Due to some production problems, the first few batches of the new weapon, called the “three-line rifle of the 1891 model of the year”, were ordered in France, and the first units of all domestic production were made at the Sestroretsk plant only in 93. It should be noted, and then "Mosinki" will sometimes be made not in our country. In a number of sources it is mentioned that in 1916, the tsarist government, in view of the workload of defense factories, was forced to order a certain number of “trilineas” to the United States. However, most of the order was completed after both revolutions of the seventeenth, and a number of Mosin rifles were sent to the US Army and the civilian market. The differences between the American “trilineas” and the Russians were in the different markings and material of the lodge: the Americans were cutting it out of walnut, but in our case they made it mostly from birch.

In constructional terms, Mosinka looked like this: a weapon with a long (up to ~ 104 calibers, depending on the version) rifled barrel with four grooves. The caliber of the barrel is equal to three lines (0,3 inches) or 7,62 millimeters. However, sometimes it is noted that due to the low culture of production or wear of weapons, the caliber "walked" within a few hundredths of a millimeter. The ammunition is made from an integral box store for four rounds plus a fifth located in the chamber. Manual reloading - a longitudinal sliding bolt is used on the rifle, and the barrel is locked when turning the latter with the help of two combat constipations. There was also a kind of fuse - for this, the trigger was pulled back and turned around its axis. Aiming on the first version of the rifle was carried out using a sector sight, which had two positions. In the first one it was possible to fire at distances up to 1200 steps (divisions by 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200), in the second - on more distant ones. The cartridge 7,62х54R, created in 1888, has a protruding rim, which is often noted as a flaw and anachronism even for the end of the XIX century. The first versions of the cartridge had a cylindrical bullet with a rounded end. For melee "trilinek" had a detachable bayonet. Rather, the design of the bayonet allowed it to be removed, but the accuracy rates greatly changed: the point of contact at a distance in 100 m shifted to 12-15, see. The rifle bayonet is quadrangular with valleys, mounted on the barrel with a tubular base and clamp. The tip of the bayonet had a special sharpening, so you could use it as a screwdriver.

In 1891, three versions of the Mosin rifle were adopted:
- infantry. Had the longest barrel (800 mm), completed with a bayonet.
- Dragoons. Barrel length 729 mm, similar bayonet and new belt anchorage. At this time, instead of wire antabok he passed through the cutouts on the bed.
- Cossack. It differs from the dragoons only by the lack of a bayonet.

Two rifles of two World Wars

In 1908-10, a new version of the 7,62-mm cartridge, with a pointed-pointed bullet, went into the army. The ballistics changed a bit, so we had to refine the scope of the new rifles. After the October Revolution, when the opportunity arose to “put things in order” in the nomenclature of armaments, of all the variants of the “trilinea” they left only the dragoons, as combining greater usability and sufficient combat indicators. In 1930, the rifle is again upgraded. Now, the markup of the sight for the metric system is altered, the fixings of the ramrod and the bayonet are changed, and a number of other minor corrections are made, for example, the design of the hoop rings that secure the barrel has changed. It was this “Mosin rifle of the 1891-1930 model” that became the basis of the weapons of the Red Army in the pre-war period and the first half of the War. The first carbines with a barrel length 38 mm are produced in 510. Initially, he does not have a bayonet, but in 1944 the carbine gets it. Moreover, the 44 year's bayonet is made integral and folding to the right.

Also, already in the course of the Great Patriotic War, a number of sniper variants of the Mosin rifle were released. They were distinguished by the presence of an optical sight and the shape of the shutter handle: it was bent and did not touch the sight when reloading. Interestingly, some snipers used a rifle with a bayonet - it was a kind of weighting agent and provided greater accuracy.

Gewehr 98

In 1871, the Mauser brothers presented a new Gewehr 1871 rifle to the military community (also sometimes referred to as Gew.71 or simply “71”). Immediately the Prussian military department ordered more than one hundred thousand of these weapons. In the next few years, other countries ordered Mauser rifles to fit their requirements and one after another the following types appeared: Gew.88, Gew.89, Gew.92 and Gew.94. After the creation of the last rifle, Wilhelm and Peter-Paul the Mauzers became concerned with the problem of combining all the innovations applied on different versions of 71 and current trends in weapons business. Moreover, relatively recently (in the 1888 year), the Mauser created a new 7,92x57 mm cartridge with a sleeve without a protruding flange. Structurally, the new rifle, called the Gewehr 1898, was quite similar to its peers, such as the Mosin rifle. At the same time, Gew.98 had a fuse of a new design in the form of a rotary lever on the back side of the shutter and a more compact magazine. The 7,92x57 mm cartridge did not have a protruding lip, therefore it had a slightly smaller size and could fit the store more closely, including in two rows. Due to this, the five-round box magazine Gew.98 almost never stands outside the box. Considered options for increasing the capacity to 7 or 10 cartridges, but the customer in the face of the German military decided that five is enough. In addition, it was noted that the loaded clips for ten rounds have large dimensions and are less convenient to carry. As for the actual rate of fire with a small store, it was considered sufficient against the background of foreign samples.

As already mentioned, in terms of design Gew.98 differed little from the Mosin rifle. The same longitudinal sliding gate, almost the same long rifled barrel (740 mm), attached to the box on the rings. At the same time, in the manual for the German rifle, it was forbidden to charge the cartridge directly into the chamber - the extractor construction did not allow, it could simply break. The fuse located on the gate has two positions - all the way to the left (the drummer is blocked) and all the way to the right (you can shoot). The sights of the Mauser were a front sight covered by a removable ring and an open adjustable sight. The design of the latter allowed to fire at distances from 100 to 2000 meters. On the trunk can be installed bayonet. For various members of the 98 family, seven variants of bayonets of various shapes and lengths were developed. In the first version of Gew.98, a bayonet was installed.

In 1908, the Kar.98a version was released with a slightly modified sight for a new version of the cartridge with a pointed bullet (a bullet with a rounded end was previously used). Interestingly, the presence in the title of the word "carbine" did not affect the length of the barrel, not the overall dimensions of the weapon. The only difference between the "Carabin" and Gewehr.98, besides the sight, was the fastening of the carrying strap. On the rifle they were wire antabas, on a carbine - cuts in the box. The fact is that at that time rifles were called carbines in the German arms business with modifications for use in cavalry. The Germans switched to the “global” meaning of the term only after a few decades. In 23, Kar.98b was released - he received a downward curved handle and a simplified sight. In 1935, the most famous modification of 98, Kar.98k, was launched into the series. This carbine was finally shortened (barrel length - 600 mm), also introduced a bolt delay: the feed part of the store in its upper position prevented the bolt from moving forward and informed the shooter that it was time to get a new clip. Another innovation concerned the grooves for the clip - after charging the store and when the valve was fed forward, it flew out automatically. Sniper modifications were not forgotten. In 1939, the Zf.Kar.98k carbine with a Zf.39 riflescope went to the troops. However, he did not suit the shooters - the dimensions of the sight did not allow to load the weapon with the help of the clip, moreover, he often got off and did not give the necessary accuracy. With 41, sniper carbines began to be equipped with Zf.41 sights, which were mounted on a special block that did not allow it to move, and had smaller dimensions.[/B]

Kar.98k eventually became the most massive modification of "98" - about 15 million carbines were released. It was with these weapons that the Wehrmacht began the Second World War. Nevertheless, a considerable number of older versions of Gew.98 still remained in the German warehouses, which were mainly used in voluntary formations.

[b] Who is who?

It is very difficult to look at the weapons of opponents and not to try to compare them. In addition, as you know, everything is relative. Let's try to "know" the Mosin rifle and the Gewerh 98.

The difference of seven years actually did not have a big impact on the design of the “younger” weapons. At the same time, the German rifle was made under a more promising cartridge without a protruding flange. With the same combat characteristics, he had a slightly more convenient form, which affected the design of the stores of both rifles. In addition, the Gew.98 store is made double-row, and the bolt, unlike the Mosin rifle, does not have fragile parts designed to work with the rim. Another advantage of the "98" family is associated with the bayonet. According to the documents on the use of "Mosinka", it should have been shot down with a closed bayonet. Accordingly, to continue to operate the rifle was required, without removing the latter. The bayonet, of course, is convenient in close combat, but it makes the rifle longer and heavier. However, some snipers, as already mentioned, it was not removed.

The advantages of the Russian-Soviet rifle are in greater “thermal safety”: the barrel is covered with wooden lining almost the entire length and in the production nuances. Mosin initially laid relatively large tolerances in the design of the rifle, which, while maintaining sufficient characteristics, had a positive effect on the cost and convenience of production. Also “Mosinka” is better than Gew.98 with a simpler and more convenient gate design, since for repair in field conditions, only spare parts are needed, without additional tools. If necessary, a soldier could use a bayonet as a screwdriver.

Summing up, we can safely say that with relatively similar characteristics, both rifles - Soviet and German - in tactical aspects equally depended on the owner. In addition, the general result of the war can serve as an answer to the question from the subtitle: the guys with Mauser rifles, despite the fierce resistance, still lost both World Wars.
Small weapon Second World War

The first series of the film is devoted to rifles - shop, self-loading and automatic. The viewer will get acquainted with the legendary Russian "trilinear", the German "Mauser 98k", the American rifle "Springfield" М1903 and the English "Lee-Enfield". We will check in action combat samples of the domestic Mosin rifle and the German Mauser 98k carbine and see what will be easier to operate, more powerful and more reliable. Self-loading rifles of the Second World War. Only the Soviet Union and the United States were able to start mass production of this type of weapon. What development was carried out in Germany? We will try in action and the legendary German “Sturmgever”. This weapon marked the beginning of a new type of small arms, which in the West is called an assault rifle, and in our country - an automatic weapon.


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  1. Sobibor
    Sobibor 3 December 2011 09: 08
    The Lee-Anfield rifle is the real winner of the best rifles of the two military.
    Until the 75th was in service with the British Army. Until today, it is in service with a number of armies of the world. It features high rate of fire, accuracy and slaughter.
    1. patriot464
      patriot464 3 December 2011 10: 51
      And at the cost too.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 3 December 2011 11: 34
      As patriot464 already noted, the Lee-Enfield rifle loses in price. When the bill goes to millions of rifles ... sorry, there were no fools even among the eastern nabobas.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 4 December 2011 01: 17
        For me it’s so - Sveta ...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 4 December 2011 14: 47
        Quote: Andrey77
        Lee-Anfield rifle loses in price.

        Yes, not only in price, Sobibor or Bandera (whatever you like) clearly overpraises Lee Enfield, she had a lot of shortcomings - the non-interchangeability of the bolts between different rifles of the same model, which required an individual fit of new bolts for each specific rifle, strong recoil, a large load on the bolt body and receiver, which forced to strengthen the structure and increase the weight - 4450 (Mosin - 3,8) and the famous labor-intensive production, and the shortened Lee-Enfield No.5 "Jungle carbine" was distinguished by an excessive sound of a shot with a strong recoil due to a too short barrel , and most importantly - it is not known why many carbines suffered from the incurable disease of the "walking sight"
    3. Municipality
      Municipality 8 March 2012 19: 16
      about the rate of fire, perhaps, the Mauser and the mosquito agree, but what about accuracy and slaughter? The unfortunate one who got a bullet from one of these rifles vryatli will feel the difference: the calibers are the same, the cartridges are about the same, the barrel lengths are about the same. The concept of slaughter, what do you mean by this?
      1. yehat
        yehat April 25 2016 12: 22
        for the most powerful mosquito specimens, the initial bullet velocity approached 1400 m / s
        this affected the persistence of the trajectory and the penetration power of the bullet
        but basically all used shortened samples - carbines, where the initial velocity was rarely higher than 940 m / s
        therefore, chatter about power is utter nonsense. She was not particularly interested in anyone, not even snipers. A more or less powerful shot suited everyone.
  2. Artemka
    Artemka 3 December 2011 11: 42
    But the mosquito, but the most massive and easy to manufacture.
    1. Ostwind
      Ostwind 3 December 2011 18: 08
      And "Mauser" became good hunting carbines
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 4 December 2011 15: 13
        Quote: OstWind
        And "Mauser" became good hunting carbines

        And Mosin carbines too
      2. Denis
        Denis 5 December 2011 21: 11
        and the mosquitoes trimmed, faithful friends of disgruntled peasants
    2. laurbalaur
      laurbalaur 4 December 2011 06: 02
      Mass, does not mean quality, Russia, a big country, respectively - you need a lot of weapons .... and inexpensive, any other country on the continent can afford to create weapons much more expensive, but in accordance with needs and budget.
  3. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 3 December 2011 12: 06
    How would I solve this dispute ... that everyone would personally choose ... holding Mosinka and Mauser in their hands
    as a holder, I would choose Mauser without hesitation. yes, and most, too.
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 3 December 2011 14: 33
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 4 December 2011 01: 22
        He shot from Svetka in Odessa, from SKS, and from this:

        Mauser K98k - Mauser model 98 "Karbiner Kurz" - standard carbine of the German Wehrmacht arr 1935 (issue 1944).
        Honestly, I liked SVT more ... I shot from a pug 5 years ago, I can’t say anything, I need to get used to it and not make 5 shots ... But I left a bruise ...
        1. Vyalik
          Vyalik 6 December 2011 15: 54
          The bruises remain due to the not tight pressure on the shoulder and from the long shooting. I liked it more from Mosinki. And the rumble of the shots does not hit so hard on the ears.
  4. mox
    mox 3 December 2011 14: 06
    It is fair to say that the Mosin rifle before the revolution was called the Mosin-Nagan. She is good, but Mauser is the best.
  5. J_silver
    J_silver 3 December 2011 14: 26
    Few doubted that the local "asset" would not choose our weapon ...
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 3 December 2011 15: 07
      The K98 is really better than the Mosin rifle. He held and shot.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 December 2011 15: 16
      Quote: J_Silver
      local "asset"

      Offset ... virtual military
  6. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 3 December 2011 16: 02
    kosmos84 I haven’t been playing computer games for a long time :-))))). The age is not the same
    and the main shortcomings of Mosinki seem to me because of the cartridge with a rim
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 3 December 2011 16: 20
      oh well i was joking!
    2. eye276
      eye276 April 10 2013 22: 01
      I agree that the same drawback was transmitted by the SVD cartridge alignment in the chamber of the cartridge case and in the Mauser the ramp, since the munition 7,92 by 57 is flanged, hence the accuracy and accuracy of the Mauser’s fire is higher, the Mauser also has a higher recoil momentum of the cartridge 57 mm versus 54 for the three-ruler. If you touch the sniper options, the Mauser with the ZF-39 is better than the three-line with the PU, the bayonet is not structurally mounted on the sniper variants of both rifles, the PE is aimed at the three-line sniper until 1942, the ZF-41 is a simplified ZF-39 so it’s better to be his he cannot. Sniper rifles were made only on the basis of the G-98 and so-called ersatz were made on the basis of Kar-98. The sniper three-ruler was made on the basis of the Drun rifle.
  7. J_silver
    J_silver 3 December 2011 16: 22
    For me, so almost the only real drawback of the Mosin rifle was that if you bend the reflector, then when you twitch the shutter, all the cartridges fly out ...
    The rest is an indestructible cartoon ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 December 2011 15: 22
      Quote: J_Silver
      bend the reflector, t

      Yes, for sure, after twenty years, middle shops appeared with a staggered arrangement of cartridges and a step feeder. And then the cutoff reflector was a revolutionary invention
  8. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 3 December 2011 20: 29
    that if you bend the reflector, then when jerking the shutter all the cartridges fly out

    moreover, in my opinion, they constantly fought over this problem but didn’t decide .. and still this is a consequence of the cartridge which is extremely unsuccessful
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 December 2011 15: 56
      Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
      and yet this is a consequence of the cartridge is extremely unsuccessful

      Nevertheless, he still lives (he is made by the Novosibirsk cartridge plant and not only), probably because of the huge amount - (the most massive cartridge) weapons were designed for him. In the period 1941-45, it was produced in the USA, England
  9. wk
    wk 4 December 2011 01: 45
    here's another
  10. Galina
    Galina 4 December 2011 04: 15
    What nonsense is this correspondent ?! How can one print ANTI-NATIONAL articles in such a magazine !? I understand that all correspondents are ready to push their buttocks for a certain amount, but all this scribble of such pr .... should be subjected to at least some kind of analysis of specialists! What is it!!!
    This is from what sources the statement was taken that Mosin "introduced a number of innovations, including those borrowed from Nagan." The writer of this ACHINEA, if he is an honest man, should have said that this is his personal opinion, which he drew from Euro-Jewish sources. At least then it would be understandable, but to hang such noodles on the ears of the Russians is already provocative. Why is this site carrying out ANTI-RUSSIAN propaganda under the guise of patriotism? Is it really impossible to consult with specialists before publishing such speculations? Personally, I am outraged. Until now, I thought that Voennoye Obozreniye was a Russian site, but now I see that it is a Euro-Jewish one, designed to humiliate Russian contributions to science and discredit RUSSIA. I do not want to print opposing views for a long time, since it takes a long time, but I refer those interested to the book
    A. Pozdnev. The creators of Russian weapons. Military because of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Moscow 1955 (p. 128-130)
    Following the SPIRIT of this article, the smokeless gunpowder created by DI Mendeleev and later called "American" (who sold the patent LIKE YOU) should be considered created in America, and Mendeleev was a thief who stole his recipe. Popov - a thief who stole a radio receiver from Marconi, Lodygin - who stole an incandescent lamp from Edison ... In a word, Russians are drunkards and thieves, incapable of anything ...
    I ask: Why are you, the founders of this site, lying to Russian people?
    What, are you picking up your SILVERS to leave for the USA after the destruction of Russia, in the hope that they will pay you for the work done ????
    1. Sensei
      Sensei 4 December 2011 12: 06
      In general, Mosinka is a good weapon, but let's be objective:
      In general, the Mosin rifle, praised by Soviet propaganda as an excellent weapon, was by no means the worst, but not the perfect model. The rifle undoubtedly met the requirements set for it - it was simple, cheap to manufacture and maintain, accessible even to poorly trained soldiers, generally strong and reliable, had good ballistic qualities for its time. On the other hand, the requirements themselves were largely based on already outdated ideas about the tactics and role of small arms. Due to this, as well as a number of other reasons, the Mosin rifle system had a number of significant drawbacks, such as: an outdated bayonet design that was constantly worn adjacent to the rifle, which made it less maneuverable and heavier; horizontal shutter handle, less convenient for carrying weapons and reloading, than bent down, and located too far in front of the neck of the butt (which slowed down reloading and contributed to knocking down the sight when shooting). In addition, the horizontal handle, of necessity, had a small length, which required considerable effort to remove the cartridges stuck in the chamber (this is not uncommon in trench life). The fuse required to turn the rifle from the shoulder on and off (whereas on foreign samples, Mauser, Lee-Anfield, Springfield M1903, he could be controlled with the thumb of the right hand without changing the grip and position of the weapon). In general, the Mosin rifle was, in my opinion, a rather typical example of the Russian and Soviet weapons ideas, when the convenience of handling weapons and ergonomics were sacrificed for reliability, simplicity in production and development, and cheapness. Therefore, the glory of Russian weapons obtained in two world wars, and often attributed to the Mosin rifle itself, nevertheless belongs to a greater extent not to weapons, but to people, despite all the shortcomings of the weapon who knew how to use its advantages, who fought and defeated the enemy, who often had the best from a technical point of view, weapons.
    2. Glenn witcher
      Glenn witcher 4 December 2011 17: 04
      It seems to me alone that between the lines of Galina comes through with the thesis "borrowed the shape of the clip => ripped off the whole rifle", which is not in the article?
    3. yehat
      yehat April 25 2016 12: 40
      about the radio: over the course of a year, 3 different inventors invented independently, one of them being Russian Popov. I am inclined to believe that one of them cannot be attributed to an invention, especially it is monstrous when it determines the speed of a patent for an invention, like Marconi, but it is strange to consider all three as fathers of an invention. Most likely, about 15 people in the same year could make a similar invention. Why such a density? People focused on fresh publications on the topic, which was greatly facilitated by the position of Planck and his laboratory. I believe that creating a situation where radio would inevitably be invented should be attributed to Planck's many years of work as an organizer, ideologist and authority, which allowed him to unite efforts at the international level. And Marconi ... just successfully fumbled. As an inventor and designer, not an outstanding person.
  11. zavesa01
    zavesa01 4 December 2011 15: 42
    Surprised, GALINA and outraged by something I did not understand. Non-traditional on the site?
    Anyway. Regarding your indignation, why did you get the idea that we should chant domestic products. We give arguments for and against, thereby trying to come up with an objective assessment. We have a lot of sources if you have something to say or even better share your experience and knowledge, then you are welcome, but to cheer patriotism somewhere else. The man tried to give an objective assessment of thanks to him for this, and discussions are needed in order to try to reveal the truth because truth is born in a dispute.

    I understand you think that our trains are the most train trains?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 December 2011 16: 00
      Quote: zavesa01
      We give arguments for and against, thereby trying to come up with an objective assessment.

      I absolutely agree with you, if there are facts - you have to tear to the British flag, but no - then you need to recognize the existing reality
  12. patriot464
    patriot464 5 December 2011 02: 34
    Procurement prices, colleagues, correct:
    - three-ruler - 186 rubles.
    - PPSh - 520 rubles.
    - SVT - 2200 rubles.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 December 2011 12: 42
      Everything is true with the Mosin rifle and the SVT. These are pre-war prices. According to the PCA, there is no data; during the war, the ruble fell and rose. PPSh according to manufacturing technology is easier than a rifle. Rubles 150-170, vskidku. Just do not need PPD (there really are all 520) and mix PCA.
      1. patriot464
        patriot464 5 December 2011 14: 57
        Quote: Andrey77
        PPSh on the manufacturing technology of a lighter rifle

        72 parts, four of which are not stamped. Four screw connections. Shpagin is a smart girl.
      2. porese
        porese 8 December 2011 15: 45
        PPS is cheaper than a rifle. PPSh with PPD had a difference of 100-200 rubles, a 70-piston store was also expensive.
      3. yehat
        yehat April 25 2016 12: 41
        I wonder how much PPP
  13. kagorta
    kagorta 5 December 2011 15: 09
    It is more convenient to shoot from the Mauser due to the semi-pistol grip. Had the luck of shooting all the same.
  14. patriot464
    patriot464 5 December 2011 15: 10
    Quote: Andrey77
    during the war, the ruble fell and rose

    Andrey, explain. I thought the Stalin ruble was motionless. I took the cost from Mukhin (or Isaev) - too lazy to rummage.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 December 2011 10: 55
      Are we considering domestic currency or which were calculated? I hope the second. If interested, look at the US dollar to ruble exchange rate in 1941 and 1944. As well as the German mark (in the same years). For domestic consumption, the rate can be fixed.
  15. dred
    dred 12 December 2011 17: 11
    I heard from pendos 1500 rubles worth
  16. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 13 December 2011 14: 00
    And Mosin’s rifle was implemented in a modern version - OTs-48K tongue

    “There is no exact data on the accuracy of the OTs-48K rifle, but it can be assumed that the rifle provides accuracy at the level of 1 MOA (angular minute) with 7N1 sniper cartridges.

    The OTs-48K sniper rifle uses a barrel, a receiver with a bolt and a magazine from a rifle arr. 1891/30 installed in a new wooden box in a bullpup layout. "
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 22 December 2011 17: 35
      Where did this babble come from? From an advertisement for 7H1 cartridges?
  17. Roman Skomorokhov
    Roman Skomorokhov 22 December 2011 17: 48
    I also had to hold the 98 and Mosinka in my hands. Not in the game, I’ll say right away at the Museum of the Soviet Army in Moscow. Mauser has a more convenient / ergonomic fuse. They even patented it, it seems. And in the hands very well lies.

    I’m not a grief patriot, and a patriot with a stretch, but if suddenly, I would prefer Mosinka. Purely for practical reasons. Trophy - it is also trophy in Africa.
  18. bistrov.
    bistrov. 4 January 2012 10: 01
    The German rifle lost quantitatively. During the war years, the Mosin’s three-ruler produced over 12 million, while in Germany 7845 rifles were made and it must be said that the Wehrmacht was constantly lacking in small arms. My opinion is that a Russian rifle still beats a German one due to weight. Take the weight of the most common carbine 700 k without a bayonet and cartridges, it is 98 kg. Soviet carbine arr. 3,9 - equal to 1938, the difference is 3,49 grams. Carry on yourself an extra pound, ceteris paribus, agree, then it is important.
  19. posnevad
    posnevad 6 February 2012 01: 09
    The little article is just awful as weak.
    Especially the "Who wins?"
    Pearls about snipers shooting with a bayonet attached are priceless.
    And what is "thermal safety" worth?
    If anyone saw (and I repeatedly held in my hands) an infantry version of the first rifle samples, he correctly drew attention to the "innocence" of the lining on the barrel.
    I will not affirm (see the link The first infantry samples did not have them at all.
    By the way about the production of the first rifles (
    Dragoon and Cossack options already had an overlay. He also served as a prototype for the last, already in Soviet times, model M1891 / 30.
    I myself own several samples of the Mosin-Nagan rifle as well as the Mauser.
    All my rifles are "combat". I shoot them regularly. In my opinion, Mosin is more elegant, but maybe the origin is pressing.
    They shoot all equally well. A lot depends on the ammunition.
    According to this link ( Mosin was produced in 26 countries in more than 226 variants. Mauser was even more popular.
    This is not the point. It's just ridiculous to hear when the author writes about "the guys with the Mauser rifle" who still lost both world wars. As if the victory in the war was ensured by the universal armament of the three-line.
    It's a shame that in terms of the number (and quality) of publications, collectors and just enthusiasts (like me), the homeland of the legendary rifle is far from being the leader.
  20. de_monSher
    de_monSher 25 February 2012 21: 02
    Well, I don’t know ... *)) there is in Uzbekistan, such a concept is hashar. This is when people from the neighborhood get together and help some person - in building a house, for example. And so we somehow gathered for "hashar", at a friend's place. It was necessary to demolish the old house and lay the foundation of a new one. And it was in the late 80s. And the grandfather of this comrades was the same - grated roll. He was engaged in the smuggling of weapons in the 10s, 20s of the last century, served in the camps. In general, we gouged one wall and found a burial there. Two vintars - Pug and Mauser, with zinc cartridges. We went to this grandfather ... he was already podofigel that he still had such a "hello" under the wall. In general, the stocks have already been rotted ... we fussed a little, put our stocks in, and decided to check the technique. Mauser immediately told us - "What am I ... what? I've been lying in the ground for so many years! I won't shoot and that's it!" And Moska, with the first shot, cleared the barrel of the barrel, and also yelled - "Give me a cartridge! Cartridge! I want to shoot! I want to shoot!" ... *)
  21. them
    them April 7 2012 23: 57
    Sorry, gentlemen, probably not quite in the subject, but also about the mosquito:
    AK vs M16 vs Mosin rifle
    If you have AK, you know for sure that:
    It will work even if you have never cleaned it. Or was it once cleaned?
    If you have M16, you know for sure that:
    Do you have enough special synthetic oil with Teflon particles at the price of $ 9 per ounce recommended by the weapons manufacturer?
    If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
    The last time it was cleaned in May 1945, after the storm of Berlin

    AK - You are able to get into the far wall of the barn, standing in its doors
    M16 - You are able to hit a target the size of a barn at a distance of 600 m.
    Three-line - You are able to hit your target by shooting from the territory of a neighboring district.

    AK - Its an inexpensive 30-charge store that is very easy to buy.
    M16 - Do not use inexpensive stores, they can lead to jamming of cartridges when firing!
    Three-line - Shop? And what is it?

    AK - The click of his fuse is heard from a distance of 300 m.
    M16 - The fuse blows almost silently compared to the flick of a trigger
    Three Line - Fuse? And what is it?

    AK - The gun belt is made of cheap canvas or plastic.
    M16 - Your rifle is equipped with a tactical rifle belt that allows you to wear it in nine different ways.
    Three-ruler - Instead of a belt on your rifle, you can use a dog collar.

    AK - The sheath design of your bayonet-knife allows you to use it for cutting barbed wire
    M16 - You can easily cut meat or sausage with your bayonet-knife
    Three-line - The needle bayonet of your rifle is VERY VERY long

    AK - The bullet of your machine will go deeper into the trunk of a 30-inch oak by at least 12 inches (if you, of course, fall into it).
    M16 - From a distance of 100 m with 30 shots you can knock out 300 points on a standard paper target
    Three-line - At such distances, just the sound from your shot will be enough to hit the target

    AK - When the ammunition runs out, you can use the machine as a club.
    M16 - When you run out of ammunition, you can use your rifle as an elegant golf club
    Three-ruler - If the ammo runs out, you can use your rifle as an excellent club, as a pike, as an oar, as a tent support or, in extreme cases, as fuel for a fire.

    AK - The return is quite bearable, almost not felt.
    M16 - What is “bestowal”?
    Three-line - Recoil is quite capable of crushing the shoulder joint, already pretty hurt by previous shots.

    AK - Your sight was once mounted at “P”, and you don’t have any particular need to move it to another position.
    M16 - Adjustment of your sight is carried out in fractions of MOA (Minute Оf Angle - angular minute)
    Three-line - your sight allows you to hit targets at a distance of one and a half miles and you even managed to do this at least several times.

    AK - Your assault rifle is used all over the world by armies, the basis of which are poorly trained conscripts, to fight the enemy’s elite units
    M16 - Your rifle is used around the world by elite units during the war with the armies, which are based on poorly trained conscripts
    Three-line - In some wars, your rifle was used by armies on both sides of the front - and it always won!

    AK - This is a weapon of revolutionaries and national liberation movements, it is known on all continents and even fell on the arms of several countries.
    M16 - This weapon won the Cold War.
    Three-ruler - It is difficult to count how many wars and revolutions this rifle was used in over a hundred-year history of its existence.

    AK - You paid $ 350 for it.
    M16 - You paid at least $ 900 for it
    Three-line - You paid $ 59.95 for it

    AK - you buy cheap cartridges in a paper pack of 20 pcs.
    M16 - Buying ammunition, you lovingly select one-to-one custom-made cartridges of famous companies recommended by the weapons manufacturer.
    Three-line - You have dug up zinc with cartridges that have lain in Ukrainian black soil since 1943, and they are still in excellent condition.

    AK - If you join the bayonet, your enemies will be pretty scared
    M16 - If you join a bayonet, you will greatly amuse your enemies
    Three-line - THIS bayonet You can stab the enemy on the other side of the river, without even getting out of your trench

    AK - Its service life is 50 years.
    M16 - Its service life is 40 years.
    Three-line - Its service life is 100 years (maybe more, I did not check ...)

    AK - If the caliber of cartridges changes, you just buy a new machine
    M16 - If you need to change the caliber of a weapon, you simply purchase a kit from a new barrel, bolt and magazine.
    Three-line - You cannot imagine a person who would decide to refuse to use the cartridge 7.62x54r

    AK - To repair your machine, it is enough to have a large bench hammer and pliers
    M16 - You have the right to repair your rifle only in a certified weapons workshop, because your rifle is still under warranty!
    Three-ruler - If you still manage to break your rifle - it will be easier to buy a new one ...

    AK - In any conditions, you consider it a matter of honor for yourself to maintain such a rate of fire that the barrel pad almost ignites from overheating
    M16 - you consider it a matter of honor when shooting bursts to put all hits in a circle of less than 5 MOA (Minute Of Angle - angle minute)
    Three-line - you are lucky if you managed to shoot 50 rounds in a row and leave the firing range without assistance

    AK - In the evening, after a difficult combat duty, you relax, once again watching the Russian TV series "Spetsnaz"
    M16 - In the evening, after a difficult combat duty, you relax, once again watching the “Fall of the Black Hawk”
    Three-line - In the evening, after a difficult combat duty, you relax on the table by the chiropractor who is adjusting your shoulder joint.

    AK - After cleaning your machine, you have a strong desire to smear a glass of vodka
    M16 - After cleaning your rifle, you have a strong desire to eat a couple of “hot dogs” and a serving of apple pie
    Three-ruler - After cleaning your Rifle, you have the thought - “But do not fry a weak kebab on her bayonet?”

    M16 - Wedges when dirty
    AK47 - Works when dirty
    Three-line - Has not been clean since being redeployed in 1932

    M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws
    AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held by a handful of rivets and ugly seams of a drunk Russian welder
    Three-line - three moving parts, two screws.

    M16 - You're more likely to die than smash your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat
    AK - your submachine gun can fight off well in hand-to-hand fighting
    Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot

    M16 - if the firing pin breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
    AK - if the striker breaks, you buy a new one
    Three-line - If the hammer breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter

    M16 - More difficult to manufacture than many aircraft
    AK - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
    Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it

    M16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
    AK - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
    Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention

    M16 - perfectly shoots small rodents
    AK - perfectly shoots the enemies of the revolution
    Trehlineyka - perfectly shoots light equipment

    M16 - once in the river, it stops working
    AK - hitting the river, still shoots
    Three-ruler - once in the river, usually used as a paddle

    M16 - Weapons for defense
    AK - Assault Weapons
    Three-line - Victory Arms!

    M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in a window 200 meters away
    AK - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
    Three-line - Grenade out the window? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick

    M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
    AK - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
    Three-line - Why a silencer, when after the first shot everything will go deaf in any way?
    1. survivor
      survivor 25 August 2012 07: 23
      Mosinka still has not lost relevance. not only a poorly trained fighter, but any layman can shoot from it.
    2. Robert Nevsky
      Robert Nevsky 7 September 2014 16: 05
      THIS IS GREAT !! soldier
  22. Vasil_
    Vasil_ 10 December 2021 11: 18
    "... the guys with Mauser rifles, despite fierce resistance, still lost both World Wars." - lost, but surpassed by the number of killed many times. This also says something.