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Russian Air Force Base in Syria

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On September 30, Russia, at the request of its ally, President Bashar al-Assad, began to launch targeted airstrikes in Syria on ISIS targets. Aviation The Russian Air Force group taking part in the Syrian military operation is deployed at the Khmeimim military airfield. Where are we going today.


Russian Air Force Base in Syria


1. In accordance with clause 4 of Article 2 of the Agreement between Russia and Syria on the deployment of the aviation group of the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic of 26 in August 2015, the Hmeymim airfield is donated to the Russian side, i.e. us. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



2. It is from here that Russian bombers are heading for enemy ISIS facilities. Military airfield Khmeimim, Syria, 20 January 2016. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



3. The length of the runway of the airfield is 2 797 meters, and the height above sea level - 48 meters. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



The first air strikes on the Syrian territory were made by 30 of September of 2015 of the year by the Russian VKS (military space forces) aircraft; In the first week of the operation, the Russian air group attacked 112 targets in Syria.

4. Military airfield Khmeimim, Syria, 20 January 2016. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



During the period from September 30 to October 16, the Russian air group made 669 combat sorties and destroyed the enemy’s 456 facilities. By December 25, Russian aviation carried out 5 240 sorties as part of a Syrian operation.

5. Military airfield Khmeimim, Syria, 20 January 2016. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



6. According to Jane's Information Group, the possible costs of Russia range from 2.3 to 4 million dollars a day. According to RBC estimates, the costs of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the operation are 2.5 million US dollars per day. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



Nevertheless, according to the data of the American corporation IHS Inc., the expenses of Russia for a military operation in Syria are approximately 10 times lower than the expenses of the USA in Afghanistan for the maintenance of a similar military contingent.

7. Fasten the rocket to the enemy. Military airfield Khmeimim, Syria, 20 January 2016. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



8. According to Russia, airstrikes are inflicted on military targets of the banned Islamic State. Of course, representatives of the EU, NATO, the United States, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom declare something else: the bulk of the strikes are inflicted on the Syrian fighters opposing Bashar al-Assad. Anyway, Russia is defending its interests in Syria and its ally, the Syrian president. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



9. In November 2015, an air defense system was deployed in the area of ​​the combat operations of the aviation group. After the destruction of our aircraft by Turkey, 24 November 2015, the decision was made to include in the air defense system C-400 anti-aircraft missile system, placing it in the area of ​​Hmeymim airbase. It is designed to destroy all modern and promising means of aerospace attack. Ie, will ensure the safety of their aircraft. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



10. Our aviation group has here fighter aircraft (Su-30СМ), front-line bombers (Su-24М and Su-34) and attack aircraft (Su-25СМ). The group also includes transport helicopters and helicopter gunships. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



11. In the new year, from 1 to 11 in January 2016, 311 was flown with the defeat of 1 097 enemy objects. This is all the official data, of course. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



12. Where is the airfield located? In 25 kilometers south of the main port city of Syria on the Mediterranean is Latakia. Until 1991, the base of the Mediterranean squadron of the Soviet Navy was located in Latakia. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



13. Soon, another Russian base will appear in Syria - at the Shairat airfield in 35 kilometers south-east of Homs. This will bring the number of combat aircraft to one hundred. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



14. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):



15. Our aviation group at the military airfield Khmeimim in Syria, 20 January 2016. (Photo by Vladimir Isachenkov):

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  1. Professor
    Professor 26 January 2016 07: 19
    -1
    Article "plus", but some inaccuracies.

    Since September 30, Russia, at the request of its ally, President Bashar al-Assad, began to inflict in Syria point airstrikes on ISIS facilities.



    We mount a rocket for the enemy. Hmeimim military airfield, Syria, January 20, 2016.

    Not a rocket, but a simple OFAB-250 bomb.

    OFAB-250-270
    Weight: 266 kg / 94 kg BB
    Circular probable deviation: 30 to 150 m
    The price in 2012 is 2.9 million rubles per 25 units (116,000 per unit).

    Of course, representatives of the EU, NATO, the United States, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UK say differently: the bulk of the attacks are on Syrian fighters opposing Bashar al-Assad.

    These bourgeois also give evidence. Well bastards !!!!
    Geolocation and Analysis of Russian Ministry of Defense Syria Airstrike Videos
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 08: 09
      13
      Quote: Professor
      Of course, representatives of the EU, NATO, the United States, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UK say differently: the bulk of the attacks are on Syrian fighters opposing Bashar al-Assad.
      These bourgeois also give evidence. Well bastards !!!!
      Geolocation and Analysis of Russian Ministry of Defense Syria Airstrike Videos

      Dear Professor, Russian VKS do not understand shit varieties.
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 January 2016 08: 23
        -7
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Dear Professor, Russian VKS do not understand shit varieties.

        For me, the more they put in both, the better, but your Foreign Ministry suddenly started talking about "patriotic moderate opposition." Looks like I decided to sort out the varieties ...
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 08: 50
          +9
          Quote: Professor
          ... but your Foreign Ministry suddenly started talking about "patriotic moderate opposition".

          The key word is "moderate", that is, one that does not conduct an armed struggle, but prefers to act by peaceful political methods smile Anyone who fights with arms against the legitimate government is "immoderate" and must be destroyed.
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 January 2016 08: 57
            +3
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            The key word is "moderate", that is, one that does not conduct an armed struggle, but prefers to act by peaceful political methods

            Who are you telling this to? I live in BV and I know what a "moderate" opposition looks like. She is armed to the teeth and hits Assad not childishly. For example:


            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Whoever fights with arms against the legitimate government is "immoderate" and must be destroyed.

            Your MO is of a different opinion. They decided to share intelligence with good terrorists the "moderate" armed opposition. East is a delicate matter. wink
            For me, they all need to be against the wall, that are moderate, that are unlimited.
            1. 0255
              0255 26 January 2016 09: 21
              +6
              Quote: Professor
              For me, they all need to be against the wall, that are moderate, that are unlimited.

              And before you wrote that the moderate and limitless are "militias" who "will turn up Assad like Gaddafi or Saddam." Together with Atalef we experienced how they, poor things, perish from unguided barrel bombs.
              1. Professor
                Professor 26 January 2016 09: 34
                -6
                Quote: 0255
                And before you wrote that the moderate and limitless are "militias" who "will turn up Assad like Gaddafi or Saddam."

                So there are "militias". And the sooner these militias go to Alah, the better. And together with Assad.

                Quote: 0255
                . They survived together with Atalef as they, poor ones, die from uncontrolled barrel bombs.

                Congratulations, Mr. Sovramshi.
                1. 0255
                  0255 26 January 2016 09: 44
                  +7
                  Quote: Professor
                  So there are "militias". And the sooner these militias go to Alah, the better. And together with Assad.

                  Gaddafi was hanged by the same "moderate militias", is it better in Libya?
                  Quote: Professor
                  Congratulations, Mr. Sovramshi.

                  Before accusing me of lying, re-read your and Atalef's comments on the Assad barrel bomb article.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 26 January 2016 09: 48
                    -6
                    Quote: 0255
                    Gaddafi was hanged by the same "moderate militias", is it better in Libya?

                    It is not yours and my business, what is better for them and what is worse. Libyans decide the fate of Libya.

                    Quote: 0255
                    Before accusing me of lying, re-read your and Atalef's comments on the Assad barrel bomb article.

                    And I thought you would pin me proofs against the wall, and you get an ordinary thick troll. Maybe I let you out of the emergency sooner? wink
                    1. 0255
                      0255 26 January 2016 10: 45
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      It is not yours and my business, what is better for them and what is worse. Libyans decide the fate of Libya.

                      Then what do you care about Syria?
                      Quote: Professor
                      And I thought you would pin me proofs against the wall, and you get an ordinary thick troll.

                      Here is your comment on the inhumanity of the used homemade barrel bombs and factory Russian FAB-500. So you still worry about the Islamists, on whose heads these same bombs fall
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 26 January 2016 11: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: 0255
                        Then what do you care about Syria?

                        KO, this Syria cares about us, this Syria has repeatedly attacked us, this Syria has attacked us the other day, this is with Syria WE are at war, not Belarus. I hear this at home cannonade from Syria, and not to you in Zhlobin.

                        Quote: 0255
                        Here is your comment on the inhumanity of the used homemade barrel bombs and factory Russian FAB-500. So you still worry about the Islamists, on whose heads these same bombs fall

                        Congratulations, Mr. Where do I "Experiencing with Atalef as they (Islamists), poor things, are killed by unguided barrel bombs "? Troll thickly. Soon I will stop feeding.

                        Quote: 0255
                        Do I now shout "praise the professor for giving me the opportunity to see his comments"? Professor, add everyone to the emergency - you can only communicate with Pimple and Atalef, you will have no one to "treat" with your comments about the good USA / Israel and bad Syria / Russia / USSR

                        To date, my emergency is empty, but I can make an exception for you. wink

                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Do you want Assad to go to heaven? But will it not happen that after that you will get Libya No. 2 at hand? With all the supplies of the Syrian army?

                        Really want to. His hands are elbows in our blood. Already in blood, not potential blood. Burn him in hell.

                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        The "patriotic moderate opposition" is an analogue of the "legal gangs" of the Second Chechen. That is, former members of illegal armed groups fighting on the side of the authorities.

                        But to me it’s actually monopenusal as yours call them. I would like the Russian VKS to send more of their children to meet with the prophet. I have a purely pragmatic interest. If you do not, then we will have to do it.

                        PS
                        Idols of Kostya Mironov

                      2. 0255
                        0255 26 January 2016 13: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        KO, this Syria cares about us, this Syria has repeatedly attacked us, this Syria has attacked us the other day, this is with Syria WE are at war, not Belarus.

                        "Moderate" Islamists are shooting at you, and your Air Force is bombing the Syrian army. "Brilliant"
                        Quote: Professor
                        I hear this at home cannonade from Syria, and not to you in Zhlobin.

                        Do you already calculate me by IP? I do not live in Zhlobin.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 26 January 2016 14: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: 0255
                        "Moderate" Islamists are shooting at you, and your Air Force is bombing the Syrian army. "Brilliant"

                        You held a candle, who shoots there? In the 1948s, 1950s, 60s, in 1973 did the Islamists attack us? Well, if Assad is not responsible for what is happening on his territory, then what kind of president is he. By your analogy, it’s not Israel bombing Syria, it’s the Tzahal Air Force. Israel is out of business. fool

                        Quote: 0255
                        Do you already calculate me by IP? I do not live in Zhlobin.

                        Not really in Galilee? Look through binoculars at your idols?

                      4. SSeT
                        SSeT 2 February 2016 23: 57
                        -1
                        "In 1948, 1950s, 60s, 1973" - Did Assad attack you? Are you kidding or are you really a fool?
                      5. Idiot
                        Idiot 11 February 2016 11: 37
                        0
                        Did you hold a candle?
                      6. Idiot
                        Idiot 11 February 2016 11: 37
                        0
                        Did you hold a candle?
                    2. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 26 January 2016 19: 18
                      0
                      Quote: 0255
                      I do not live in Zhlobin.

                      Is Bobruisk really?
                    3. 0255
                      0255 26 January 2016 20: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      Quote: 0255
                      I do not live in Zhlobin.

                      Is Bobruisk really?

                      No
            2. 0255
              0255 26 January 2016 10: 52
              +6
              Quote: Professor
              You get an ordinary fat troll.

              Are you not a troll?
              Quote: Professor
              Maybe I let you out of the emergency sooner? wink

              Do I now shout "praise the professor for giving me the opportunity to see his comments"? laughing Professor, add everyone to the emergency - you can only communicate with Pimple and Atalef, you will have no one to "treat" with your comments about the good USA / Israel and bad Syria / Russia / USSR wassat
            3. APASUS
              APASUS 26 January 2016 16: 35
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              It is not yours and my business, what is better for them and what is worse. Libyans decide the fate of Libya.

              But Wikipedia, which is not entirely correct for Russia, believes that this is an intervention, but do you seem to not?
              The intervention in Libya is the military intervention of international coalition forces (mainly NATO bloc countries) in the civil war in Libya, authorized by the UN Security Council Resolution 1973, adopted on March 17, 2011 [8], declaring the protection of civilians as the target of armed intervention (see Humanitarian intervention) and giving the right to destroy any troops that pose a threat to the population, only with the help of air strikes [9].

              US Navy Vice Admiral William Gortney said the US part of the operation will be called "Odyssey Dawn." Other states against the background of the coalition forces operation conducted their own (national) operations [10].
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 26 January 2016 11: 38
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          So there are "militias". And the sooner these militias go to Alah, the better. And together with Assad.

          You know, dear professor, you remind me of our closest neighbors. They are also very hungry for the death of our president. At the same time, he was absolutely not worried that Ivan Topor or Ramzan Kynzhal might come for him. smile

          Do you want Assad to go to heaven? But will it not happen that after that you will get Libya No. 2 at hand? With all the supplies of the Syrian army?
          Because the experience of Libya clearly demonstrates: the transformation of a dictatorship immediately after the civil war into a democratic civilized society is possible only in the minds of European dreamers like Glucksman. In reality, the resulting society can beat anyone - even the US ambassador.
        3. arnulla
          arnulla 26 January 2016 11: 49
          +2
          Well, take a shot and run toss Assad)))
        4. Idiot
          Idiot 8 February 2016 21: 57
          0
          You know, "Professor", you annoyed me with your type of great-power cannibalistic worldviews. I wish you to go to your Jewish god in a timely manner, as you wish other "subhumans". I had a better opinion of Jews of Soviet origin. I knew one personally - Sasha Faminsky, left in 1989. I hope you are not him.
        5. Idiot
          Idiot 8 February 2016 21: 57
          0
          You know, "Professor", you annoyed me with your type of great-power cannibalistic worldviews. I wish you to go to your Jewish god in a timely manner, as you wish other "subhumans". I had a better opinion of Jews of Soviet origin. I knew one personally - Sasha Faminsky, left in 1989. I hope you are not him.
  • avt
    avt 26 January 2016 09: 21
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    , but your Foreign Ministry suddenly started talking about "patriotic moderate opposition." Looks like I decided to sort out the varieties ...

    Well, they have such a job, in addition to these words, they constantly troll the US with a demand to announce on a piece of paper the entire list of this
    Quote: Professor
    "patriotic moderate opposition".

    Not yet sent. laughing And 34 matches from all angles look good I like the machine - no matter how much it is shown, it’s not boring to watch!
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 26 January 2016 11: 26
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    For me, the more they put in both, the better, but your Foreign Ministry suddenly started talking about "patriotic moderate opposition." Looks like I decided to sort out the varieties ..

    The "patriotic moderate opposition" is an analogue of the "legal gangs" of the Second Chechen. That is, former members of illegal armed groups fighting on the side of the authorities.

    The criterion for the patriotic nature of the opposition is simple: whoever is not with us is not a patriot. smile
  • 0255
    0255 26 January 2016 08: 26
    +5
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Professor
    Of course, representatives of the EU, NATO, the United States, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UK say differently: the bulk of the attacks are on Syrian fighters opposing Bashar al-Assad.
    These bourgeois also give evidence. Well bastards !!!!
    Geolocation and Analysis of Russian Ministry of Defense Syria Airstrike Videos

    Dear Professor, Russian VKS do not understand shit varieties.

    But the professor understands, his heart bleeds from worries about the poor Islamists who perish under some Russian bombs, moderately exploding and cutting "infidels" who moderately eat the insides of their victims. And how many civilians are killed under high-precision democratic kosher American bombs, the professor does not care
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 January 2016 08: 35
      -8
      Quote: 0255
      But the professor understands, his heart bleeds from worries about the poor Islamists who perish under some Russian bombs, moderately exploding and cutting "infidels" who moderately eat the insides of their victims. And how many civilians are killed under high-precision democratic kosher American bombs, the professor does not care

      Do not drive the blizzard. For me, the less they stay on the earth for children, the easier it will be to breathe. Unlike you, a lover of the Philistines.

      Here you defend them. So they would be silent. I’ll stick my nose in ...


      1. 0255
        0255 26 January 2016 09: 33
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Do not drive the blizzard. For me, the less they stay on the earth for children, the easier it will be to breathe. Unlike you, a lover of the Philistines.
        Here you defend them.

        Professor, if you tear down your house and shield you with a wall, you would also want to take up arms. What is Hamas then not moderate opposition?
        Quote: Professor
        So they would be silent. I’ll stick my nose in ...

        Again you will cry "where is the map with the Israeli Sinai? crying "You will interrupt without Sinai, Anwar Sadat in general lost his life for a peace treaty with Israel
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 January 2016 09: 42
          -7
          Quote: 0255
          Professor, if ...

          Exactly. And then went the excuses of the terrorists. "They aren’t the children’s fault, their circumstances forced them." Bravo. Here are some more of your idols. You can put it on your desktop.


          Quote: 0255
          Again you will cry "where is the map with the Israeli Sinai?

          No, I'll poke you nose once again into your ignorance. I can repeat the video of the falling Syrian MiG-25 that you tried to pass off as the Israeli F-15. I can drive on the map again. I'm good today. love
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 January 2016 13: 14
          +4
          Quote: 0255
          Professor, if you tear down your house and shield you with a wall, you would also want to take up arms

          The main problem of the Palestinians is that they want to live like in Israel but without Jews. It is impossible to fight and trade at the same time. And the Palestinians are trying to do just that. They complain about the Egyptian-Israeli blockade, but at the same time they fire rockets at Israeli territory and are the base for Sinai terrorists fighting against Egyptian soldiers. By the way, the same Sinai terrorists, supported by the Palestinian authorities, recently blew up a Russian plane in Sinai. You, in your anti-Semitism, have already reached the point, have begun to express regret to those who support the killing of peaceful Russian tourists. Of course, I understand that Belarus has its own dad, but still it would be worth respecting decency in relation to your closest ally, which actually contains you. And do not express solidarity to people supporting terrorists fighting against Russia.
          1. 0255
            0255 26 January 2016 15: 57
            0
            Quote: Kaiten
            You, in your anti-Semitism, have already reached the point, have begun to express regret to those who support the killing of peaceful Russian tourists.

            It is necessary to object to the policy of Israel-so immediately declare anti-Semite laughing Thank you for not even calling a fascist. I treat Jews normally if they do not consider themselves elected, and all other goyim.
            How do you know that the Russian plane in the Sinai was blown up by the Palestinians, and not by ISIS or similar "white and fluffy moderate oppositionists"?
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 January 2016 19: 16
              +1
              Quote: 0255
              How do you know that the Russian plane in the Sinai was blown up by the Palestinians, and not by ISIS or similar "white and fluffy moderate oppositionists"?

              I have clearly indicated that the Palestinians are supporting the forces that blew up the plane. Did I indicate somewhere that the Palestinians themselves did this? The role of the Palestinians in Sinai is the same as the role of Turkey, which is now disliked, which supports anti-Russian forces in northern Syria. And you express solidarity with similar elements and pity them. Better express your solidarity with Russia, which contains Belarus.
              1. 0255
                0255 26 January 2016 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                And you express solidarity with similar elements and pity them. Better express your solidarity with Russia, which contains Belarus.

                I am for Russia. Whose president is for a Palestinian state
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 27 January 2016 11: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: 0255
                  I am for Russia. Whose president is for a Palestinian state

                  Imagine, I am also a Palestinian state. I will tell you more, most Israelis favor the coexistence of two states. The only trifle left to persuade the Palestinians to recognize Israel’s right to exist.
  • max702
    max702 26 January 2016 11: 28
    0
    For a good story about our database, we should invite this person http://gelio.livejournal.com/ judging by the objects that he took pictures of all the tolerances and permissions he has .. Of course, he’ll help as much as possible in the process of shooting, and I’m sure that this masterpiece will be another masterpiece .. A good presentation of material is never superfluous, especially if the matter is right ..
  • Whatabout
    Whatabout 26 January 2016 11: 59
    0
    Yeah, I read about the evidence of the bourgeoisie. Their "impartiality" is well demonstrated by the history of their investigations.
    For example:
    "Correct governorate, but ISIS doesn't control the area, false." - well, that is, the average network user has more intelligence. data than the RF Ministry of Defense? Unlikely.

    Still, in another investigation of the subject:
    "missile base on Mount Abtar 40km SW of Palmyra http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.290069&lon=37.995953&z=18&m=b wrong location mentioned in video description but the map at the beginning was almost correct! https: // twitter.com/obretix/status/673240874571177984 "

    (translation: missile base 40km from Palmyra, the wrong location is indicated in the description of the video, but on the map at the beginning of the video is indicated almost exactly).

    Editor's output: False.

    And so on many points. Impartial, yeah.
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 January 2016 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: WhatAbout
      And so on many points. Impartial, yeah.

      For me, let them bomb both those and others and the Assad army in addition. And the more the merrier. good
      Nevertheless, the "moderate opposition" itself complained that the Russian Aerospace Forces were bombing them.
  • Saburov
    Saburov 26 January 2016 13: 20
    0
    Professor, do you know what SVP-24 is? Simple "World War II technology" bombs are gravity bombs. Planes dropped them with a prototype targeting system, and they hit (more or less) the target. For carpet bombing this was okay, for aimed bombing it was not ideal, but with taking into account the low speed of aircraft and low altitudes, it is acceptable, but with an increase in the speed of aircraft, a delay in dropping a bomb by one second could lead to a bomb falling 600-800 meters from the target.In addition, for some fortified purposes (command posts, bridges, etc. Two types of guided bombs were created: laser-guided and television-guided.
    Laser-guided bombs work very simply: an airplane (or a gunner on the ground) "points" a target with a laser beam, and the bomb has some (limited) ability to glide towards this clearly visible illuminated spot. Tele-guided bombs also work simply: its camera is pointing on the target, and the bomb plans to it. If the bomb is in a certain "zone" (speed, altitude, direction), it will hit. Or he will miss. Because even a tiny cloud can drastically reduce accuracy, which at current aircraft speeds can lead to a miss of hundreds of meters (who is interested can read this article on Wikipedia).
    The advent of satellite targeting has opened a new era of advanced weapons. For the first time, it became possible to use signals from GPS satellites (for Russians, GLONASS) for aiming a bomb at a target. The bombs sent by the satellites were not only more accurate, but they did not depend on the weather. The main problem was their high cost. Another problem was that the warehouses were packed with old, cheap, non-guided bombs. What to do with them?
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 26 January 2016 13: 23
      +2
      The Americans have come up with an elegant solution: JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition). The JDAM kit was a way to turn a "stupid" (hated) bomb into a "smart" (aiming) bomb by attaching special devices to it. You can find out more from this Wikipedia article. This allowed the use of old bombs, but was not cheap: ~ $ 25 per device (according to Wikipedia).
      The Russians came up with an even better solution.
      Instead of putting attachments on every bomb and losing it every time, the Russians put a JDAM-type attachment on the plane, which is the SVP-24. SVP stands for “Specialized Computing Subsystem.” This system constantly monitors the position of the aircraft and targets (using GLONASS), measures pressure, humidity, wind and aircraft speed, flight direction, and can receive additional information from AWACS aircraft, ground stations, and other aircraft. SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the "stupid" bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when its uncontrolled flight will lead it exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters). In practice, this means that every old (30 or older) Russian bomb can be delivered by an old aircraft with the same precision as new guided bombs delivered by a newer bomber.
      And that is not all. The pilot doesn't even have to think about aiming. He simply enters the exact coordinates of the target into the system, flies to the desired area, and the bombs are dropped automatically. It can focus on detecting enemy actions (aircraft, missiles, anti-aircraft guns). Best of all, this system can be used for bombing from high altitudes,> 5000 meters, where MANPADS cannot reach. In addition, clouds, smoke, weather, and the time of day are irrelevant.
      Last but not least, it is a very inexpensive solution. Russia can now use the huge stockpiles of "stupid" bombs accumulated during the Cold War, they can deliver an almost endless supply of such bombs to Syria, and each of them will hit the target with phenomenal accuracy. it can be reused.
      It has already been confirmed that SVP-24 are installed on the Russian Su-24, Su-25, Tu-22М3, Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters, honored by MIG-27, and even on the training L-39. That is, it can be installed on almost all helicopters and aircraft, from large bombers to small training aircraft. I am sure that the Mi-24 and Mi-35M in Latakia are also equipped with this system. SVP-24 demonstrates that a good engineering solution, especially a good military engineering solution, should not be expensive or look attractive. The use of SVP-24 in RVKS reduced operating costs.
      In conclusion, I note that not everything in the Russian army is pink and perfect. The company producing SVP-24 had to recover money from the Ministry of Defense through the courts, and the ministry itself had many opponents of SVP-24 (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors). Ultimately, the problems were resolved, and SVP-24 was delivered in large numbers, but this required a long and tough fight. So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the armed forces.
      Anyway, I hope that this tour "under the hood" was of interest to you.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 26 January 2016 15: 30
        +2
        Maybe it's enough to make people laugh with their "supersystem"
        If I put an optical sight on my TOZovka, it’s all the same to her to never be an SVD if I need to shoot from a distance of 150-200 meters.
        And rightly so, the Ministry of Defense did not pay money for this stupidity - "plunders of socialist property"!
    2. Professor
      Professor 26 January 2016 13: 53
      +2
      Quote: Saburov
      Professor, do you know what SVP-24 is?

      1. Has this data already been declassified or will we promise to wait 50 years? wink
      2. When you make copies / pastes, then pliz lay out the link, and stolen highlight the copied text so that we know where your conclusions are, where strangers are.
      The Saker: Technology Summary - How Russian Engineering Thought Operation in Syria Possible

      SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the "stupid" bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when its uncontrolled flight will lead it exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters).

      You want to say that the bombs dropped from the Tu-22 fell 3-5 m from the target? lol

      Quote: Saburov
      Best of all, this system can be used for bombing from high altitudes,> 5000 meters, where MANPADS cannot reach. In addition, clouds, smoke, weather, and the time of day are irrelevant.

      I believe. What doubts may be? Knowing the speed (several hundred km / h), altitude (more than 5000 m) and the direction of the carrier, as well as the temperature and humidity of the environment, and the strength and direction of the wind (and knowing all this with perfect accuracy), you can accurately calculate when it is necessary to drop a bomb. It is assumed that the aerodynamic characteristics of the bomb are ideal (well, each bomb is identical to the prototype to atoms), the air temperature from the carrier to the target changes strictly according to the formula, and (ATTENTION) the speed and direction of the wind along the entire trajectory of the bomb are known and CONSTANT. Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with the massive dumping of stupid bombs from the Tu-22. On the face of the carpet bombing, and if the civilians did not suffer, then I have no complaints about such a bombing. good

      PS
      It's like setting a machine gun motionless and firing singles, claiming that all hits will be well within 3-5 cm. But what? "Clouds, smoke, weather, and time of day don't matter." After all, we know the strength and direction of the wind from the machine gun. wink
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 26 January 2016 16: 43
        +4
        Quote: Professor

        You want to say that the bombs dropped from the Tu-22 fell 3-5 m from the target?

        Press service of the Central Military District http://function.mil.ru/news_page/world/[email protected]
        "The pilots assessed the work of SVP-24 at ranges of different climatic zones, in difficult weather conditions and with limited visibility. During the year," Hephaestus "made it possible to work out and perfect bombing from free maneuver, without entering the target air defense zone of a conventional enemy. The accuracy of hitting targets was actually equal to the indicators of controlled assets "
        "The combat effectiveness of the SVP-24 was evaluated in the Caucasus. During the combat use of the SVP-24" Gefest "confirmed all the declared parameters. In particular, the accuracy of the Su-24M and Tu-22M3 airstrikes, as well as the reliability of the operation of the SVP-24 sighting and navigation system managed to improve more than 3 times "
        Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/svp-24-gefest/ MTC "BASTION" AVKarpenko
        "New specialized computing subsystems SVP-24" Gefest ", with which all the tactical aviation aircraft of the Central Military District (CVO) were re-equipped a year ago, made it possible to more than triple the accuracy characteristics of the Su-3M aircraft and the reliability of the aiming and navigation system , as well as to increase the timing of the daily combat raid by 24 times "http://ruwings.ru/news/4/2014/04/22
        "As noted even before the opening of MAKS-2013, the general director of the company Alexander Panin:" The new gefest02 subsystem makes it possible to deliver pinpoint bomb strikes in difficult weather conditions against ground targets. The SVP-24 implements complex information processing, taking into account a large number of factors affecting the accuracy of navigation and combat use, especially when maneuvering an aircraft, high performance and reliability of equipment, as well as the use of an electronic map of the area.
        In addition, the Su-24M crew got the ability to automatically exchange data with other aircraft, and the ground control station got automated control capabilities, including real-time re-targeting of strike groups. " During the combat use of SVP-24, Hephaestus confirmed all the declared parameters. In particular, the accuracy of the Su-24M and Tu-22M3 airstrikes, as well as the reliability of the functioning of the SVP-24 sighting and navigation system, was more than 3 times improved. Http: //inzhiprom.rf/index.php/new-edition/195 -gefest

        In meters, accuracy is not indicated, they indicate only - it is comparable with the accuracy of controlled means. Rather, of course, inferior, but the price-performance ratio, I think in favor of Hephaestus.
        And yet, as Panin says, this is more than just an aiming system.
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 January 2016 17: 19
          +1
          I understand that now only the enemies of the people are asking questions, everyone else is shouting "hurray", but ...
          Quote: sevtrash
          Over the course of the year, Hephaestus made it possible to work out and bring to perfection the bombing from a free maneuver, without entering the conditional enemy’s target air defense assets.

          Nonsense. OFAB is not a planning bomb and it does not allow bombing "without entering the target air defense zone of a conventional enemy".

          Quote: sevtrash
          The accuracy of hitting targets is virtually equal to the performance of managed assets

          Bullshit. It is not possible to provide KVO OFAB from a height of more than 5000 m the same as that of guided munitions. There are no miracles.

          Quote: sevtrash
          in particular, the accuracy of the Su-24M and Tu-22M3 air strikes, as well as the reliability of the SVP-24 sighting and navigation system, was improved more than 3 times. "

          I believe.

          Quote: sevtrash
          allowed more than 3 times to improve the accuracy characteristics of the Su-24M

          We are approaching the truth. Without this complex KVO OFAB-250-270 is 30-150 m and here it turns out 10-50 m and no matter how 3-5 m.

          Quote: sevtrash
          As noted before the opening of MAKS-2013, the general director of the company Alexander Panin: “The new subsystem gefest02 allows you to carry out precision bombing in difficult weather conditions on ground targets.

          I got it. We have a different understanding of what is "point".

          Quote: sevtrash
          Rather, of course, inferior, but the price-performance ratio, I think in favor of Hephaestus.

          I do not argue with that. Than just pouring out a bunch of bombs is always better to aim. Maybe some will fall.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 26 January 2016 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Nonsense. OFAB is not a planning bomb and it does not allow bombing "without entering the target air defense zone of a conventional enemy".

            "Bombing from pitching (pitching angle 45-60 degrees) is used when bombing targets with strong air defense. Exit to the target area is carried out at the lowest possible altitude. Above a predetermined landmark placed from the target at a distance of 5-8 km, the aircraft is transferred to climb and upon reaching a pitching angle of 45-60 degrees, a bomb is automatically dropped by an automatic machine. Avoiding the target is done with a sharp decrease. "
            Источник: http://referatman.ru/ref_618a1c46546ca0ff426d27ab92185ea5.html

            Based on the various sources mentioned above, heard and read before, I still think that Hephaestus significantly increased the accuracy of bombing. How accurately - I did not see such data, but, I repeat, most likely the price-effectiveness is quite decent and probably better than the Caliber strikes.
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 January 2016 18: 15
              +1
              Quote: sevtrash
              "Bombing from pitching

              it is all the same at the entrance "to the zone of destruction of the target air defense means of the conventional enemy.

              Quote: sevtrash
              Based on the various sources mentioned above, heard and read before, I still think that Hephaestus significantly increased the accuracy of bombing.

              I repeat, without this complex, the KVO OFAB-250-270 complex is 30-150 m and here it turns out 10-50 m and no matter how 3-5 m, well, there is no way to replace smart bombs, which by the way Russia, despite the presence of an unallocated tax system in the SVP-24 enjoyed in Syria. And this despite their high cost.

              Quote: sevtrash
              How accurately - I did not see such data, but, I repeat, most likely the price-effectiveness is quite decent and probably better than the Caliber strikes.

              It is difficult to find a more ineffective means of defeating the "headquarters" of the Islamic state than Caliber. They were not used in Syria for the purposes we were told about. The only purpose of their use is to show the Russians that "there is still gunpowder in the flasks."
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 26 January 2016 18: 33
                0
                I would agree with you regarding the comparative accuracy of the Hephaestus-guided bomb and the guided bomb. But, if more than one bomb is dropped, probably from some of them, the strike delivered using Hephaestus in accuracy becomes similar to a guided bomb. Remaining a significantly cheaper option.

                Quote: Professor
                It is difficult to find a more ineffective means of defeating the "headquarters" of the Islamic state than Caliber.

                Here you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand, guided weapons are better, on the other, the caliber is ineffective. I think that the Caliber is effective, because it is highly accurate, another thing is what the goal is and most importantly - price - efficiency. With Hephaestus, the existing level of air defense in Syria, the Caliber is simply not needed.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 January 2016 19: 12
                  0
                  Quote: sevtrash
                  But, if more than one bomb is dropped, probably from some of them, the strike delivered using Hephaestus in accuracy becomes similar to a guided bomb. Remaining a significantly cheaper option.

                  ... and so we will return to the old and not good carpet bombing.

                  Quote: sevtrash
                  Here you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand, guided weapons are better, on the other, the caliber is ineffective. I think that the Caliber is effective, because it is highly accurate, another thing is what the goal is and most importantly - price - efficiency. With Hephaestus, the existing level of air defense in Syria, the Caliber is simply not needed.

                  Sea-based cruise missiles and OFABs, let's put it this way: they are somewhat different things and have different tasks. And the caliber on the "headquarters" of the Islamists is like a cannon on sparrows.

                  Quote: sevtrash
                  The number of elements in processors, for example, is constantly increasing. More often your processor began to break?

                  Komrad is right. An increase in system components steadily leads to a decrease in system reliability. The processor should be considered as a single element, and not as a system consisting of a billion transistors. Here, collect a similar processor from transistors and see how long it will work for you.
                  1. sevtrash
                    sevtrash 26 January 2016 19: 33
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Komrad is right. An increase in system components steadily leads to a decrease in system reliability. The processor should be considered as a single element, and not as a system consisting of a billion transistors. Here, collect a similar processor from transistors and see how long it will work for you.

                    Kamrad is theoretically right. In practice, the reliability of an initially "raw" system is usually increased by further work on it.
                    Quote: Professor

                    Sea-based cruise missiles and OFABs, let's put it this way: they are somewhat different things and have different tasks. And the caliber on the "headquarters" of the Islamists is like a cannon on sparrows.

                    A point target, if significant individuals, that is justified - why not.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 26 January 2016 19: 46
                      +3
                      Quote: sevtrash
                      A point target, if significant individuals, that is justified - why not.

                      Well, what kind of "significant persons" are there? It wasn't Ben Leden who got there. laughing How much this fireworks cost on the leader’s birthday, I hope you can guess. My life experience tells me that we will have to wait a very, very long time for the next application of Caliber.
                    2. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 26 January 2016 20: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      How much this fireworks cost on the leader’s birthday, I hope you can guess.

                      10 billion rubles the first strike in calibers, sort of like. I think, basically, this is in order to show that Russia has such a weapon. In this sense, they showed. And if this advertisement will have an effect in the contracts, not necessarily on the Caliber, by the way, then the expenses will be justified. May be.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Well, what kind of "significant persons" are there? It wasn't Ben Leden who got there.

                      Or maybe some Napoleon wound up there. Or Rothschild. Or both. By the way, by the time he was shot dead for several years, he was nothing and lived in Pakistan under the supervision of Pakistani intelligence. It was just a show.
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 26 January 2016 20: 48
                      0
                      Quote: sevtrash
                      I think, basically, this is to show that Russia has such a weapon

                      To whom? The bourgeois already knew. There is no secret in this.

                      Quote: sevtrash
                      . And if this advertisement will have an effect in the contracts, not necessarily on the Caliber, by the way, then the expenses will be justified.

                      No.
                      1. For advertising, it is necessary to show how the rocket starts, how it moves along the course and ... how it hits the target. The last "ad" element is missing.
                      2. Such missiles are prohibited from being exported by international treaties.

                      Quote: sevtrash
                      Or maybe some Napoleon wound up there.

                      And the Kiselevs and the Solovievs kept silent about this? laughing
                    4. andj61
                      andj61 26 January 2016 21: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      1. For advertising, it is necessary to show how the rocket starts, how it moves along the course and ... how it hits the target. The last "ad" element is missing.

                      hi Everything is so - only this weapon is special. In the media, they show it to the people, and they will present it to a potential customer in the best possible way.
                      Quote: Professor
                      2. Such missiles are prohibited from being exported by international treaties.

                      Actually, this is not so. There is a control regime for missile technologies - they are not forbidden to export, but only can be exported under control. For certain groups of missile weapons (300kg + 500 km), the export denial regime is usually applied. In principle, everything is aimed at preventing the export of missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads and the technologies leading to the creation of such missiles. That is why in the export variants of the Caliber range is artificially limited.
                    5. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 26 January 2016 21: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      To whom? The bourgeois already knew. There is no secret in this.

                      To know one thing and to see how it works, but for a real purpose, is the best advertisement for a potential buyer and a buyer of Russian equipment in general.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Such missiles are prohibited from being exported by international treaties.

                      More than a dozen export options Caliber anti-ship, half a dozen export to work on ground targets. A potential buyer has something to choose if he knows that the same missiles, especially with a significantly greater range, worked successfully.

                      Quote: Professor
                      And the Kiselevs and the Solovievs kept silent about this?

                      And what is generally heard of the military leaders and financial bigwigs of ISIS?
                      And this - like gophers - Do you see them? No. And they are there!
        2. Idiot
          Idiot 11 February 2016 11: 53
          0
          But what is the Jewish Military Intelligence BWC, 10-50 millimeters?
        3. Idiot
          Idiot 11 February 2016 11: 53
          0
          But what is the Jewish Military Intelligence BWC, 10-50 millimeters?
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 26 January 2016 18: 30
        +1
        "Bombing from pitching (pitching angle 45-60 degrees) is used when bombing targets with strong air defense

        I understand that there is (for now, there are still many OFABs in arsenals) such a method of bombing, but, you know, it reminds me of an episode from the movie "Brother" - when Danila takes a machine gun from a bandit, unloads it and goes into the room to the bandits with a sawed-off double-barreled ...

        and reliability functioning of the sighting and navigation complex SVP-24 managed to improve more than 3 times.

        Stuck a few additional blocks and increased reliability -? And already 3 times belay
        Any increase in elements in the system leads to an increase in the probability of failure.
        And how they "blinded" the "black box" - here they showed the whole world (by the way, he was "wired" into this system)

        I have already said here, recently: - the real Engineering Aviation Service was dispersed - there are no intelligent engineers - so they are pushing the flyers with all kinds of "ah-x-x ...".
        And they believe "the accuracy has increased 3 times"- well, yes, deviation not 100 meters, Only 30 - OFAB-250 what's the difference, if it has a zone of destruction R-A-D-I-U-S-O-M 100 meters - "weave" fugues - then they do not throw
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 26 January 2016 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Just BB
          I understand that there is (for now, there are still many OFABs in arsenals) such a method of bombing, but, you know, it reminds me of an episode from the movie "Brother" - when Danila takes a machine gun from a bandit, unloads it and goes into the room to the bandits with a sawed-off double-barreled ...

          It depends on what purpose and what weapons. ODAB, for example. Convertible bombing was used, sort of like in Afghanistan, in the Falklands.
          Quote: Just BB
          Any increase in elements in the system leads to an increase in the probability of failure.
          And how they "blinded" the "black box" - here they showed the whole world (by the way, he was "wired" into this system)

          The number of elements in processors, for example, is constantly increasing. More often your processor began to break?
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 26 January 2016 20: 36
            +1
            During the Afghan war, the pilots went to the target "by butts", and aimed "at the toe of the right fur" - neither you nor ZhyPies, and even more so Glonas and the current iPhone is as powerful as possible than all the onboard computers of the IS division.
            Carpet bombing, with cabling, top-end, etc. - all this from poverty - either monetary or mental, or maybe both together.

            About the processor, I think Professor explained
            1. sevtrash
              sevtrash 26 January 2016 20: 48
              0
              Quote: Just BB
              Carpet bombing, with cabling, top-end, etc. - all this from poverty - either monetary or mental, or maybe both together.

              That you bent somewhere wrong. All of these options were developed and applied to solve a problem by reasonably smart people, at least smarter than many. Carpet, for example, was suitable for large purposes, which in the second world were, for example, German cities. With cabling - to defeat hard-to-reach targets, not entering the air defense zone.
              Top - what else is it? There is a top-mast - very effective, developed during the Second World War.
              1. Just BB
                Just BB 27 January 2016 07: 38
                +2
                All of these options were developed and applied to solve a problem by fairly smart people,

                +
                But then people had no other "computers" apart from a slide rule.
                And bombs were classified only by weight.

                No need to live yesterday - why again am under tanks with a grenade and bottles with KM, breast on the embrasure ?? !!!!
                Guided, say, it's expensive! War is expensive!
                War takes lives - this is the main cost of war.
                A. Matrosov grew up for 20 years to "shut up" a machine gun, and a grenade launcher with a kit would be assembled in a day

                There is a topmast

                But you understand me ...
  • Cympak
    Cympak 26 January 2016 19: 51
    +3
    There are no miracles. To accurately get a cast iron, sphere-vacuum conditions are needed:
    1- laminar air flows, at all heights,
    2-- exact coordinates and height of the target,
    3-precise coordinates of the aircraft in space,
    4- accurately measured ballistic characteristics of weapons for each species
    5- precisely known for dense air at all heights,
    6- each means of destruction has the same ballistic characteristics for the type
    All characteristics in practice are difficult to implement, and the achievement of p. 1, 5, 6 is simple, unrealistic.
    in practice: one gust of wind and the bomb flew hundreds of meters to the side
    Another thing is that a 500 kg KVO bomb is several tens of meters "in a drum".
  • Saburov
    Saburov 26 January 2016 22: 59
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    This data has already been declassified or we will, as you promise, wait 50 years

    Quote: Professor
    You want to say that the bombs dropped from the Tu-22 fell 3-5 m from the target?


    Then the Professor ask yourself a question, as far as I remember (if you believe it, of course) you were an engineer at the Black Sea Fleet, then, to hell, then a ballistic computer in tanks? Think at your leisure ... Russia is famous for making unique inventions.

    PS It seems that you are somewhere far behind in our computer age.
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 January 2016 08: 12
      +3
      Quote: Saburov
      Then the Professor ask yourself a question, as far as I remember (if you believe it of course) you were an engineer at the Black Sea Fleet, then, to hell, then, in tanks, a ballistic computer?

      That's why I ask questions and do not take my word for any delirium that I was a good engineer. And now, none of the employers complains about my professional qualities.

      Ballistic computer - ch. purpose - the development of angles of aiming and lead for different. types of ammunition, depending on the range to the target, taking into account amendments to deviate the actual shooting conditions from the table and relates. moving weapons and targets. Well, what's the connection? Do you want to discuss misses of the best crews of the district from a distance of 2 km on a fixed YELLOW target?

      Quote: Saburov
      Russia is famous for making unique inventions.

      I understand that not all laws of physics apply in Russia, but still try to turn on your brains. Even a little. Maybe then you’ll understand that no matter how accurately you drop a stupid bomb from a height greater than 5000, this bomb will be blown off by the wind (all kinds of thermals) while it is flying toward the target and accuracy cannot be 3-5 meters. Physics.

      Quote: Saburov
      PS It seems that you are somewhere far behind in our computer age.

      Where am I going? I’ve only been working in high tech for over 20 years. I’m developing things that will appear in your computer technology in years through 5. Nevertheless, physics is physics.

      PS
      About asking questions. When Bluetut appeared and began to massively penetrate everything, I read what kind of rubbish, but there were no answers to my questions. For example, what is the signal strength, what modulation, etc. I read that it was developed by Texas Instruments, and a friend of mine worked there. I called him. He says: "You are lucky, we developed it in Israel and I know a man who had a hand in this." I called this person and he was friendly enough to answer all my questions. He did not reveal any secrets, since by this time everything had already been patented, but about Blutut, he helped to put things in order in my head. Feel free to ask questions.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 27 January 2016 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        That's why I ask questions and do not take my word for any delirium that I was a good engineer. And now, none of the employers complains about my professional qualities.

        That is, you think that the BV is not needed on the tank, anyway the projectile will blow off the wind? I congratulate you a good engineer!
        Quote: Professor
        I understand that not all laws of physics apply in Russia, but still try to turn on your brains. Even a little. Maybe then you’ll understand that no matter how accurately you drop a stupid bomb from a height greater than 5000, this bomb will be blown off by the wind (all kinds of thermals) while it is flying toward the target and accuracy cannot be 3-5 meters. Physics.

        From your words it turns out that we should only fight with knives and axes so reliable! If you are an engineer, you should be well aware of how the calculation is done according to angle, speed, wind correction, altitude and other data ... therefore, as early as the 30 of the USSR, and later the Russian Federation, they began to develop computerized aiming systems to increase the accuracy of conventional ammunition ... why tie an eye to an arrow when you can aim well with your own .... that with the development of computing systems has become possible. But the biggest plus is that the enemy’s detection systems will not react to a simple air bomb or artillery shell induced by such a system!
        Quote: Professor
        Where am I going? I’ve only been working in high tech for over 20 years. I’m developing things that will appear in your computer technology in years through 5. Nevertheless, physics is physics.

        Here is the Professor. How do you know what and how we are developing it? Then Israel sailed on Soviet engineers. You are not on the topic, and even more so the developments in Russia ... but you still can’t look under the cloth.
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 January 2016 18: 13
          +3
          Quote: Saburov
          That is, you think that the BV is not needed on the tank, anyway the projectile will blow off the wind? I congratulate you a good engineer!

          I understand that you would like to quit trying to show off your knowledge.
          On our tanks, the SLA is at a good level. From two kilometers on a clear day, they will not miss the yellow motionless target. Since you are attached to a ballistic computer, then following your logic, if you attach a modern ballistic computer to a Napoleonic gun, then the result is the same as that of the Coalition with Krasnopol. Or if you attach a modern optical sight with a laser rangefinder to a musket, you get the result no worse than that of Beretta.

          And yes, I’m a good engineer and they pay me accordingly. bully

          Quote: Saburov
          From your words it turns out that we should only fight with knives and axes so reliable!

          I didn’t say that. On the contrary, the ancient OFAB cannot be compared exactly with modern smart bombs.

          Quote: Saburov
          If you are an engineer, you should know perfectly how the calculation is done according to angle, speed, correction for wind, altitude and other data ...

          Tell me ignoramus how your ingenious engineers can make corrections for the wind if they do not know any data on this wind and cannot even know theoretically? A simple question, right? wink

          Quote: Saburov
          But the biggest plus is that the enemy’s detection systems will not react to a simple bomb or artillery shell induced by such a system!

          The adversary knows physics and is not afraid of such systems. lol

          Quote: Saburov
          Here is the Professor. How do you know what and how we are developing it?

          In your country, there are secrets only from your citizens. For example, equipment purchased by your well-known company (import substitution). Want to tell you what they are developing? wink

          Quote: Saburov
          Then Israel sailed on Soviet engineers.

          Yeah. For example, the Israel Institute of Technology was founded in 1924. There is not a single "Soviet" teacher at the aviation faculty now. Show list? wink
          1. Saburov
            Saburov 28 January 2016 01: 59
            0
            Quote: Professor
            I understand that you would like to quit trying to show off your knowledge.
            On our tanks, the SLA is at a good level. From two kilometers on a clear day, they will not miss the yellow motionless target. Since you are attached to a ballistic computer, then following your logic, if you attach a modern ballistic computer to a Napoleonic gun, then the result is the same as that of the Coalition with Krasnopol. Or if you attach a modern optical sight with a laser rangefinder to a musket, you get the result no worse than that of Beretta.
            And yes, I’m a good engineer and they pay me accordingly.


            Professor ... will you tell me about the TBV? Let it be known to you that the tank’s LMS contains measuring elements such as tank movements and targets, heading angles, tank gun trunnions, WIND side component, air temperature and pressure, etc.

            Quote: Professor
            On the contrary, the ancient OFAB cannot be compared exactly with modern smart bombs.


            FABs do not compare, but an automated aiming system may well be like hitting with your eyes closed or aiming to hit your eyebrow or jaw ... end the fight with one blow.

            Quote: Professor
            Tell me ignoramus how your ingenious engineers can make corrections for the wind if they do not know any data on this wind and cannot even know theoretically? A simple question, right?


            Already told, read above ... and read about automation of guidance and aiming in aviation yourself at your leisure.

            Quote: Professor
            The adversary knows physics and is not afraid of such systems.


            Apparently he doesn’t know, but like you ... a good engineer ... judging by the fuss around lasers, railguns and other nonsense.

            Quote: Professor
            In your country, there are secrets only from your citizens. For example, equipment purchased by your well-known company (import substitution). Want to tell you what they are developing?


            Professor, I already told you that you are not in the subject and, apparently, you have never been in it, you just confirmed your incompetence in this matter with your left photo ... tell me, for example, what is being developed by the NGO Iskra, VNITEP or IRE-Polyus? For example, manufacturers of simulators - robots in the form of a person or body parts on which you can perform complex operations, there are only five companies in the world that are engaged in development, one of them is located in the Kazan Technopark Eidos company.

            Quote: Professor
            Yeah. For example, the Israel Institute of Technology was founded in 1924. There is not a single "Soviet" teacher at the aviation faculty now. Show list?


            Well, tell me, why is Israel creating such a breakthrough or new in aviation?
            1. Professor
              Professor 28 January 2016 07: 47
              0
              Quote: Saburov
              ABs can’t equal, but an automated aiming system may well be like hitting with your eyes closed or aiming to hit your eyebrow or jaw ... end the battle with one blow.

              No, they can’t. There are no miracles.

              Quote: Saburov
              Already told, read above ... and read about automation of guidance and aiming in aviation yourself at your leisure.

              Is everyone blown away? wink Somehow fast this time. You, as a graduate of the ChVTKU, are not able to answer an elementary question, how can your ingenious engineers make corrections for the wind if they do not know any data on this wind and cannot even know theoretically?


              All clear. hi
              Quote: Saburov
              Apparently he doesn’t know, but like you ... a good engineer ...

              I am waiting for an answer about data on the wind.

              Quote: Saburov
              Tell me, for example, what is the development of the NGO Iskra, VNITEP or IRE-Polyus?

              Perpentum Mobile. Half of the money has already been spent, and their colleagues are able to make adjustments for the wind data on which they do not exist. Burzhuiny nervously smoking on the sidelines.

              Quote: Saburov
              Well, tell me, why is Israel creating such a breakthrough or new in aviation?

              It is known that an interplanetary galactic station, but the data about it (as Saburov likes to say) will be kept secret for another 50 years.

              Thank you for the "spot carpet bombing" fun. Laughed heartily. good
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 28 January 2016 17: 20
                0
                Quote: Professor
                All clear.


                It seems to me ... Professor you, according to the old habit, can’t answer instead of evidence and arguments, there can be no miracles, they don’t know and cannot know, half of the money has already been spent ... the result of all of the above, you don’t have anything to say. ..as they always began to concentrate public attention on one issue ... an old trick, it’s like a bad joke ... Professor, at least change your tactics ... otherwise you'll soon leave your epaulets in the negative ... people have the property to learn and observe. ..total: you mister a good engineer is not in the subject and you have never been in it.

                Quote: Professor
                I am waiting for an answer about data on the wind.


                And what to expect if you don’t even know ... Mr. Good engineer about Pete’s pipe, wind shear or windmill ...
                It is determined by the course of the aircraft and W. The direction and speed of the aircraft relative to the earth's surface is called the ground speed vector (W). The direction of the vector is determined by PU, and the value is determined by the value of W. At each moment in time, the flight speed relative to the earth is equal to the vector sum of V and U. The wind vector is determined by the direction of the wind and the wind speed. Three vectors in space form a vector velocity triangle, the projection of which onto the horizontal plane is called NTS. The composition of the NTS includes the following elements: MK, MPU (FMPU, ZMPU), HB, US, HC, KUV, speeds U, V and W.
                So a good engineer study and do not read the Jewish newspapers.
                1. Saburov
                  Saburov 28 January 2016 17: 24
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                  For a snack ... that would not be bored
                2. Saburov
                  Saburov 28 January 2016 17: 27
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                  Oh ... Professor what is the picture under the numbers?
              2. Professor
                Professor 28 January 2016 20: 05
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                Quote: Saburov
                ..as always began to focus public attention on one issue.

                If you still do not understand, then this is precisely the question that is being discussed, and not the ballistic calculators of tanks.

                Quote: Saburov
                So a good engineer study and do not read the Jewish newspapers.

                Thank you for telling me and everyone else how the plane determines the strength and direction of the wind in the immediate vicinity, but I didn’t ask that. Or do you still not understand what is at stake? How can your brilliant engineers make corrections for the wind if they do not know any data on this wind and cannot even know theoretically? How do they know the wind data along the entire trajectory of the bomb? At an altitude of 4900m? 4800m? 4700m And so on to the goal? In your opinion, all these indicators are the same for a height of 5000 m and 10 m? You are so taken into account in the CTU? Now it is not surprising why they are smeared on a yellow motionless target on a clear day. sad

                Next time, carefully read what they write to you, and not just stupidly engage in copy-paste. fool
                Quote: Professor
                Knowing the speed (several hundred km / h), altitude (more than 5000 m) and the direction of the carrier, as well as the temperature and humidity of the environment, and the strength and direction of the wind (and knowing all this with perfect accuracy), you can accurately calculate when it is necessary to drop a bomb. It is assumed that the aerodynamic characteristics of the bomb are ideal (well, each bomb is identical to the prototype to atoms), the air temperature from the carrier to the target changes strictly according to the formula, and (ATTENTION) the wind speed and directions along the entire trajectory of the bomb are known and CONSTANT.


                Quote: Saburov
                Oh ... Professor what is the picture under the numbers?

                Oh, Saburov, screwed up again. What relation do these devices have in determining the speed and direction of the wind along the entire path of the bomb? They are able to do this only in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft. You did not think that this is not enough? We did not think that at an altitude of 4000 m the wind speed could be twice as much as around the plane and the bomb would be blown off to hell. Other instruments exist for determining the wind gradient. You can place weathercocks with anemometers in height every 100 meters, you can launch a pilot balloon and track it with a theodolite or radar probe and use a radar wind profiler. But how an intelligent person can guess nothing of this either on the plane or on the attacked object is not present, and indeed the wind is changeable thing. You need to know everything about him in real-time mode.
                In total, neither your pilots nor your ingenious engineers know anything about the wind already 100 meters from the plane, not to mention the wind along the entire trajectory of the bomb. Such is the materiel.

                And for a snack you have a picture, learn and enjoy.
              3. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 15: 31
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                Quote: Professor
                How do they know the wind data along the entire trajectory of the bomb? At the height of 4900m? 4800? 4700? And so on to the goal? In your opinion, all these indicators are the same for the height in 5000 m and 10 m? You are so taken into account in the CTU?


                Professor ... did you understand what you are talking about? They found some kind of nonsense from the Internet ... you first find out the account of the influence of wind on flight, navigation and meteorological conditions ... I generally have more doubts that you are an engineer ... by the way, you are already starting to contradict yourself. Are you still a Soviet engineer or an Israeli?

                Quote: Professor
                Oh, Saburov, screwed up again. What relation do these devices have in determining the speed and direction of the wind along the entire path of the bomb?


                I don’t even know how to explain to you ... to study back in Russia! You would at least start reading Wikipedia ...
                LDPE Air Pressure Receiver - It is used as the primary part of the airborne signal system (AAS) for calculating instrument and airspeed, true airspeed, vertical speed and barometric altitude in airplanes, helicopters, etc. ... more questions?
              4. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 15: 50
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                Quote: Saburov
                Professor ... did you understand what you are talking about? They found some kind of nonsense from the Internet ... you first find out the account of the influence of wind on flight, navigation and meteorological conditions ... I generally have more doubts that you are an engineer ... by the way, you are already starting to contradict yourself. Are you still a Soviet engineer or an Israeli?

                See how simple it is? an elementary question for the eighth grader, and in response, the transition to the individual. How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient? Answer the basic question. wink

                Quote: Saburov
                LDPE Air Pressure Receiver - It is used as the primary part of the airborne signal system (AAS) for calculating instrument and airspeed, true airspeed, vertical speed and barometric altitude airplanes, helicopters and so on ... more questions?

                Bravo is a graduate of the ChVTKU. PLANE!!! And now the same question: And then, to the goal, how do they know anything about the wind? Right out of nowhere. For good luck, drop the bomb and hope that it is not blown away by the wind. yes

              5. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 16: 07
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                Quote: Professor
                See how simple it is? an elementary question for the eighth grader, and in response, the transition to the individual. How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient? Answer the basic question.


                I suggested that you learn about taking into account the influence of wind on flight, navigation and meteorological conditions ... that is, do you think that modern systems do not have data on this? If the Junkers managed to hit the target the size of a cap with a conventional bomb and having primitive bombing devices on board at WWII ... and at the moment, the information and navigation blocks of aircraft systems have 100 times better information indicators, including data from the ground ... but in general, what I explain to you, read for yourself ... http: //adminland.ru/crimea/books/sh_hb/part05.htm

                Quote: Professor
                Bravo is a graduate of the ChVTKU. AIRCRAFT !!! And now the same question: And then, to the goal, how do they know anything about the wind? Right out of nowhere. For good luck, drop the bomb and hope that it is not blown away by the wind.


                Once again, you go to the same mister "brilliant" engineer http://adminland.ru/crimea/books/sh_hb/part05.htm
              6. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 16: 20
                +1
                Quote: Saburov
                I suggested that you learn about taking into account the influence of wind on flight, navigation and meteorological conditions ... that is, do you think that modern systems do not have data on this?

                How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?

                Quote: Saburov
                Once again, you go to the same mister "brilliant" engineer http://adminland.ru/crimea/books/sh_hb/part05.htm

                There is no answer to the question How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?
                Do you want me to answer this question again? wink
              7. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 16: 24
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                Quote: Professor
                How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?

                Quote: Professor
                There is no answer to the question How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?
                Do you want me to answer this question again?


                I want ... very interesting? Professor ... your record is stuck ... change. I have nothing to add to you ... and by the way, there’s just about a wind accounting for free fall ... a good engineer.
              8. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 16: 33
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                Quote: Saburov
                I want ... very interesting?

                I explain. They do not know the gradient of the wind.



                It is not given to them to know, miracles do not happen. And nobody knows. They know everything about the wind only in the immediate vicinity of the plane and no more, and therefore after dropping a bomb at an altitude of more than 5000 meters, it is left to itself and to God. On the way to the target, it is blown away a hundred times in one direction or another and there is no need to talk about a point hit. That is why both the bourgeoisie and yours are buying expensive controlled "smart" weapons. There is no alternative to him.

                If this has not yet reached you, then I am truly sorry for you. sad
              9. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 16: 39
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                Quote: Professor
                It is not given to them to know, miracles do not happen. And nobody knows. They know everything about the wind only in the immediate vicinity of the plane and no more, and therefore after dropping a bomb at an altitude of more than 5000 meters, it is left to itself and to God. On the way to the target, it is blown away a hundred times in one direction or another and there is no need to talk about a point hit. That is why both the bourgeoisie and yours are buying expensive controlled "smart" weapons. There is no alternative to him.
                If this has not yet reached you, then I am truly sorry for you.


                That is, our army for the calculation of the Baric field and the wind? This is just fantastic Professor ... yes you are an ignoramus! Download and read my dear! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjyp-SX
                ks_KAhUj9HIKHZOXDVYQFggpMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvk.rshu.ru%2Fmaterials%2Fmeteo%2F6%
                2Ft6z2.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGoPsY2oos9s8h2Ct59jFn1bC3cXg&sig2=qCATsmS8uZvHcY8V69Do5g&bv
                m = bv.113034660, d.bGg

                And also to you for general use http://abratsev.ru/atmosphere/wind.html
              10. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 16: 42
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                Quote: Saburov
                That is, our army for the calculation of the Baric field and the wind? This is just fantastic Professor ... yes you are an ignoramus! Download and read my dear

                You do not do copy-paste, but tell us in your own words How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?



                fellow
              11. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 16: 47
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                Quote: Professor
                You do not do copy-paste, but in your own words


                I’m already tired of your balabolstvo and repetition of ignorance of the topic ... so read ... and the conclusions from the read, describe me later, Mr. good engineer.
              12. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 16: 54
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                Quote: Saburov
                I’m already tired of your balabolstvo and repetition of ignorance of the topic ... so read ... and the conclusions from the read, describe me later, Mr. good engineer.

                So Saburov was blown away without answering an elementary question:How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?[/ b].

                Shabbat Shalom. hi
              13. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 22: 28
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                Quote: Professor
                So Saburov was blown away without answering an elementary question: How do your ingenious engineers know the wind gradient? [/ B].


                I’m not a ball to deflate ... I’m tired of your antics ... unfortunately my friend you are a dumbbell ... I already gave you the answer to your question ... and you are jumping like a Tobacco.
                Here you have a specially SUPPORT
                on "Aeronautical meteorology"
                https://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0ahUKEwjqh4Oj
                38_KAhUBsiwKHQM_DGIQFghLMAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jekabpilsflight.lv%2Fdoc%2FMete
                o_konspekt.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGbcqk_eR3UP7sadVQln0a3bMPo5A&sig2=lovsbcUB_LXVuq-E95PQF
                A & bvm = bv.113034660, d.bGg
              14. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 22: 43
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                Quote: Saburov
                I’m not a ball to deflate ... I’m tired of your antics ... unfortunately my friend you are a dumbbell ... I already gave you the answer to your question ... and you are jumping like a Tobacco.
                Here you have a specially SUPPORT

                I don’t need your copy-paste, which does not have my question. I need a simple and understandable answer to an elementary question for me and forum users:
                How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?

                And by the way about the ball, it’s the ball that recognizes the gradient of the wind, but it doesn’t threaten you, so you were blown away before the gradient was determined. wink




              15. Saburov
                Saburov 29 January 2016 23: 11
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                Quote: Professor
                I don’t need your copy-paste, which does not have my question. I need a simple and understandable answer to an elementary question for me and forum users:
                How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?


                Bravo ... now does aeronautical meteorology have nothing to do with the wind gradient?
                Professor, you either forgive the boy ... or you don’t want to admit your bankruptcy so much that all the time you are talking about the same thing off topic.
                I have already given you answers both to instruments and formulas and even summaries on bombing and aeronautical meteorology, where all problems and their solutions are clearly and clearly understood in human language ... but you didn’t even bother to look, which essentially says that you see or you’re bad an engineer, or you’re not an engineer at all ... since there is not a drop of technical curiosity in you ... as well as judgment.
                It’s bad to see everything in Israel with formulas, equipment and training, since you are still messing with balls.

                PS Therefore, the desire to communicate with you has disappeared from me, since your next answer is predictable.
                Quote: Professor
                How do your brilliant engineers know the wind gradient?
              16. Professor
                Professor 29 January 2016 23: 21
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                Quote: Saburov
                equally ... now does aeronautical meteorology have nothing to do with the wind gradient?

                Will there be an answer to an elementary question or not?

                Quote: Saburov
                I have already given you answers both to instruments and formulas and even summaries on bombing and aeronautical meteorology, where all problems and their solutions are clearly and clearly understood in human language ... but you didn’t even bother to look, which essentially says that you see or you’re bad an engineer, or you’re not an engineer at all ... since there is not a drop of technical curiosity in you ... as well as judgment.

                You did not answer the basic question about determining the gradient of the wind at the site of the attack. Are your brilliant engineers launching a weather balloon there before the attack? lol

                Quote: Saburov
                Therefore, my desire to communicate with you has disappeared, as your next answer is predictable.

                Saburov was blown away, but to admit that he blundered was not enough courage. bully
  • aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 29 January 2016 16: 44
    +1
    .... neither your pilots nor your ingenious engineers know anything about the wind already 100 meters from the plane, not to mention the wind along the entire trajectory of the bomb. Such is the materiel ....

    .... Prof !!!! .... Schedule of course you have torn from the net impressive .... But I hasten to assure you that the change in wind speed and its direction in height is a value predicted in advance with acceptable accuracy .... Science meteorology (yes, yes !!! ... It ..) .. It accurately describes this dependence ... Well, for a more accurate specification of the parameters ... What do you think, why do drones spin constantly there ???? ... lol
  • Professor
    Professor 29 January 2016 16: 52
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    Quote: aleks 62 next
    But I hasten to assure you that a change in wind speed and its direction in height is a value predicted in advance with acceptable accuracy ....

    Wait, I will call my father. He served as an army meteorologist in the ZakVO for more than 20 calendar days. Let him be glad that now this is "a predictable value in advance with acceptable accuracy," otherwise he made the pilot launch his unfortunate soldiers and measure this "predictable value in advance with acceptable accuracy."

    Quote: aleks 62 next
    It quite accurately describes this dependence ...

    A reference to the studio for these "achievements" in meteorology?

    Quote: aleks 62 next
    . Well, for a more accurate specification of the parameters ... What do you think, why do drones spin constantly ???? ...

    But from now on in more detail:
    1. What Russian drones are capable of measuring wind speed and direction?
    2. How do they do it all along the bomb?
  • aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 29 January 2016 17: 04
    +2
    1 .... A reference to the studio for these "achievements" in meteorology? ...

    .... Any textbook on meteorology ... It perfectly describes how and why the speed and direction of the wind changes with altitude ...

    2.And from now on in more detail:
    1. What Russian drones are capable of measuring wind speed and direction?
    2. How do they do it all along the bomb?

    ... What you can and carry drones you and I don’t know ... At least according to GLONASS signals (drift in the wind and its banal calculation in a triangle - you can calculate speed and direction) .... Throughout the bomb and it’s not necessary .... You just need to cut along several heights in the area of ​​bombing (for example, 500m, 1000m ... and so on, say 3000m) .... They can do it ... Yes, and the bomb is not a dry leaf tree .... Having dispersed it has transonic speed and low windage (I won’t count the time of the fall, respectively, I can’t figure it out myself) .... In principle, the problem is solved .... In one, you’re right, the accuracy is 4-5m me also embarrassing, but 10-15m I think quite from a height of 5000m ... hi
  • Professor
    Professor 29 January 2016 18: 02
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    Quote: aleks 62 next
    .... Any textbook on meteorology ... It perfectly describes how and why the speed and direction of the wind changes with altitude ...

    A link to the studio on "It quite accurately describes this dependence ..."

    Quote: aleks 62 next
    ... What you can and carry drones do not know neither you nor me ...

    Of course I know. Everyone knows what drones are there and what their payload is.

    Quote: aleks 62 next
    You don’t need to go along the entire route of the bomb .... You just need to cut along several heights in the bombing area (for example, 500m, 1000m ... and so on up to a height of say 3000m) .... They can do it ...

    And what are they doing? wink

    Quote: aleks 62 next
    In principle, the problem is solved ....

    Yes. "Umanaya" bomb, CEP. hi
  • Saburov
    Saburov 29 January 2016 22: 33
    +1
    Quote: aleks 62 next
    .... Any textbook on meteorology ... It perfectly describes how and why the speed and direction of the wind changes with altitude ...


    Do not try to prove something to the Professor ... he will not read ... any Jew since childhood is an academician ... for him the concept of ballistics and aeronautical meteorology is like a quantum amplifier for a Neanderthal.
  • Schulz
    Schulz 28 January 2016 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Saburov

    Professor ... will you tell me about the TBV? Let it be known to you that the tank’s LMS contains measuring elements such as tank movements and targets, heading angles, tank gun trunnions, WIND side component, temperature and pressure

    Saburov, here you are, as a graduate of the ChVTKU (one of the best I'm sure), tell me the amateur, why all the same:
    1. With a unique BV that can do everything (only coffee does not brew) on a tank biathlon on a clear day of work, on a contrasting fixed target, from a shot (100%) position did the tanks miss? About the fact that the crews transplanted to an unfamiliar car I already heard. Are there any other options?
    2. Why are "smart" bombs costing an order of magnitude more expensive in Russia, if "stupid" bombs with a unique aiming system hit the target?
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 28 January 2016 17: 51
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      Quote: Schulz
      1. With a unique BV that can do everything (only coffee does not brew) on a tank biathlon on a clear day of work, on a contrasting fixed target, from a shot (100%) position did the tanks miss? About the fact that the crews transplanted to an unfamiliar car I already heard. Are there any other options?


      Judging by the video, the SLA is not properly configured, it is not TBV because it gives data and amendments to the shooting conditions, in general, the coordination and coherence of the crew are the most important, before conscripts for one and a half years of service managed to get used to the crews so that team actions and standards were carried out on hooray ... now it’s more difficult, preparing a good crew is a matter of time, plus everything is rolled in and tuned by the MSA by each crew as a personal weapon, nothing is perfect, and as a doctor, I say that there are no shot positions howls at the tank, otherwise it becomes a cannon (on the issue of digging) ... for him, in modern conditions, immobility is death ... experience and scenic excitement are not compatible things.

      Quote: Schulz
      2. Why are "smart" bombs costing an order of magnitude more expensive in Russia, if "stupid" bombs with a unique aiming system hit the target?


      Naturally, long arms must also be had, since some have air defense, and there are different climatic, weather, geographic, specific and other conditions where it is not possible to use conventional ammunition.
      1. Schulz
        Schulz 29 January 2016 08: 00
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        Quote: Saburov

        Judging by the video, the SLA is not properly configured

        What kind of an OMS is it that they couldn’t even tune it into such an indicative competition?

        Quote: Saburov
        in general, the most important thing is the coordination and coordination of the crew

        Do you think there the crew was assembled at the last moment from different tanks of different parts?

        Quote: Saburov
        it is not TBV since it issues data and amendments to the shooting conditions

        Why is TBV generally needed then if it works separately from the LMS, and not as a whole and part of the LMS?

        Quote: Saburov

        Naturally, long arms must also be had, since some have air defense

        Why are smart bombs used in Syria? There is no air defense. For training, as I understand it?
      2. Saburov
        Saburov 29 January 2016 15: 40
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        Quote: Schulz
        What kind of an OMS is it that they couldn’t even tune it into such an indicative competition?


        As far as I know there are production cars, and the LMS cannot be configured the same for each locality. Fiction read less.

        Quote: Schulz
        Do you think there the crew was assembled at the last moment from different tanks of different parts?


        I don’t think the crew is good, but nobody is safe from excitement and mistakes, I already told you that nothing is perfect. But sometimes you drop a glass or dishes from your hands, and it would seem such a trifle.

        Quote: Schulz
        Why is TBV generally needed then if it works separately from the LMS, and not as a whole and part of the LMS?


        For the same, why and a calculator. He is part of the OMS ... what is the question and what I did not understand.

        Quote: Schulz
        Why are smart bombs used in Syria? There is no air defense. For training, as I understand it?


        Why does an athlete train? There is a development of systems, the latest control units, navigation, aiming and more.
      3. Just BB
        Just BB 31 January 2016 05: 44
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        Saburov RU January 29, 2016

        I have already given you the answers on the instruments and formulas


        "Trouble, if the shoemaker begins to create pies, and the cake-maker begins to sew boots!"
        By you, the indicated instruments have the following relation to bombing (to make it clearer) as the mechanic-driver of the tank for firing from the gun — auxiliary corrective (put the tank in the direction of fire).
        And in general, navigation bombing is only for stationary, stationary targets, no matter how accurate they are. And for such purposes OFAB-5 will not deviate fundamentally on 50 or 250 meters - everything is in the funnel!


        If the Junkers in World War II from their peak managed to hit the target the size of a cap with an ordinary bomb and having primitive bombing devices on board ...


        So there is a pilot held to the last goal on sight and dive the plane gave the initial speed of bombse.
        Peculiar semi-active guidance bombs on target.
        No navigational bombing.
      4. Saburov
        Saburov 1 February 2016 23: 15
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        Quote: Just BB
        "Trouble, if the shoemaker begins to create pies, and the cake-maker begins to sew boots!"
        By you, the indicated instruments have the following relation to bombing (to make it clearer) as the mechanic-driver of the tank for firing from the gun — auxiliary corrective (put the tank in the direction of fire).
        And in general, navigation bombing is only for stationary, stationary targets, no matter how accurate they are. And for such purposes OFAB-5 will not deviate fundamentally on 50 or 250 meters - everything is in the funnel!


        Do you know anything about BIS systems on airplanes? Where each sensor and devices are combined into one system for the issuance of information, including navigation and delivery of ammunition to the desired point. That is, in your opinion, the air pressure receiver is not related to bombing? But what about calculating instrument and airspeed, vertical speed and barometric altitude? How will the system determine the speed of the aircraft to approach the target? Before talking about something, it would not hurt to take at least a bit of information on modern combat aviation and aircraft weapon control systems, Mr. Expert.

        Quote: Just BB
        So there the pilot kept the target to the last sight and dived the aircraft to give the bomb initial speed.
        A kind of semi-active bomb guidance on the target.
        No navigational bombing.


        And again twenty-five, so this is in the bombing complex, which were part of the standards of that time.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 January 2016 07: 22
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    7. We mount the rocket for the enemy.


    It would be fairer - a bomb. And more precisely - OFAB-250.

    Photos are good. +
  • Belousov
    Belousov 26 January 2016 07: 47
    +2
    Yesterday there seemed to be an official refutation of second base. Indeed, the territory allows you to work from one base, taking into account also strategists.
  • gingerbread man 59
    gingerbread man 59 26 January 2016 09: 03
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    I think that it is necessary to quickly liberate Mr. Raak and quickly make a base there, this is an important area if we can’t do it. Turks and Americans will do it
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 26 January 2016 13: 11
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    "War is the continuation of politics by other means", "War is an area of ​​chance ...", "Never fight one enemy for too long ...", "To win, you must meet the main forces of the enemy." In general, von Clausewitz has more than enough complex, simple thoughts.
    As for me - when some kind of war / military action began, it means that politicians did not work somewhere. Or, in another way, they were outplayed.
  • brr1
    brr1 26 January 2016 16: 44
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    Interestingly, the IL-76 of the Syrian Air Force with a Russian registration number.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Just BB
      Just BB 26 January 2016 20: 57
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      Unlike "real" real estate (buildings, structures, etc.), for an aircraft, the act of state registration is not an act of registration of rights to this vessel and transactions with it. The main purpose of state registration is that as a result, the aircraft acquires the nationality of the Russian Federation in the sense of the requirements of the Convention on International Civil Aviation of December 7, 1944 (with subsequent amendments) (the so-called Chicago Convention). This, in particular, means that precisely The country of registration is responsible for maintaining the airworthiness of the aircraft. If the latter meets the requirements established by the state, it is issued a certificate of airworthiness, without which operation is not permitted. In Russia, the requirements and certification procedures are established by order of the Ministry of Transport of Russia of May 16, 2003 N 132. In the future, the aircraft must also be serviced according to the rules adopted in the country of its registration. In Russia, the rules regarding organizations for maintenance and repair of aviation equipment (FAP-145) were approved by order of the Federal Aviation Service of the Russian Federation dated February 19, 1999 N 41. In the USA, similar rules are indicated by the abbreviation FAR 145 (adopted by the Federal Aviation Administration), in Europe - EASA Part 145 (developed by the European Aviation Safety Agency).
  • complete zero
    complete zero 30 January 2016 03: 37
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Dear Professor, Russian VKS do not understand shit varieties.

    For me, the more they put in both, the better, but your Foreign Ministry suddenly started talking about "patriotic moderate opposition." Looks like I decided to sort out the varieties ...

    there is nothing surprising in this (international practice) more than one war has not been won at the expense of bombs ... we need "infantry" so let these moderates fight against the moderates