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US convinces Australians to buy submarines from Japan

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The White House and the Pentagon are pushing Australia to buy new submarines in Japan, reports MIC with reference to The Australian newspaper.




The publication recalls that "the participants in the tender announced by the Australian government to update the underwater fleet are Germany, France and Japan, offering their models of non-nuclear submarines, which should replace the six obsolete Australian submarines of the Collins class. "

The Australian Navy plans to order up to 12-submarines with a total value of about $ 50-billion.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull recently visited Washington, where he discussed, among other issues, the purchase of submarines with Barack Obama and Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter.

“US officials publicly maintain neutrality in Australia’s choice of supplier country, but privately express preference for Japan’s victory in this tender,” the newspaper writes. “In turn, high-ranking Australian official sources fear that if France (Barracuda submarine) or Germany (216 submarine) were chosen, they would not be able to equip the new submarine fleet with the latest American military technology.”

The publication explains Washington’s support for Japanese “Soryu” class submarines by a number of technological and political factors.

“Washington intends to actively develop military cooperation with its main allies in the Asia-Pacific region, and these are precisely Japan and Australia. Americans also have great doubts about Germany’s ability to reliably protect its technologies from China’s industrial espionage, ”emphasizes Australian.

With reference to its sources, the newspaper also reports that the Australian Cabinet of Ministers will make a decision on the tender “in the middle of the year”.
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  1. alex-s
    alex-s 25 January 2016 15: 07
    +9
    Pin Dos! Everywhere their nasty stuff is poked! negative
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 25 January 2016 15: 13
      +2
      The White House and the Pentagon push Australia to purchase new submarines in Japan
      What will grandma Lisa say? Would she send Amers to a butterfly farm to catch. She herself will decide from whom what to buy.
      1. maxiban
        maxiban 25 January 2016 15: 15
        +7
        Australia has long been under their protectorate. Pin.dosy still those pimps.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 January 2016 15: 26
          11
          It seems to me that in the cost of Japanese boats, a large share of the United States.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 25 January 2016 15: 47
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            It seems to me that in the cost of Japanese boats, a large share of the United States.

            So they don’t seem to hide this, talking about new military technologies in arming Japanese boats. And weapons are expensive consumables for a long time.
            if they choose France (Barracuda class submarine) or Germany (216 class submarine), they will not be able to equip the new submarine fleet with the most modern American military technologies
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 25 January 2016 20: 02
              +3
              if they choose France (Barracuda class submarine) or Germany (216 class submarine), they will not be able to equip the new submarine fleet with the most modern American military technologies


              Strange, discord in NATO? Or have they revised weapons standards and now whoever wants it? requestIn theory, Europe would throw some money on refugees, or has it already been deleted? They probably want to help Europe with loans. belay
              1. 2С5
                2С5 26 January 2016 09: 23
                0
                They probably want to help Europe with loans. belay

                ... and then! The Yankes will be for the geuropeevtsy their own money, and they will be forced into their own money, and whoever will not take the gas will be turned off! (Film "Diamond Hand") lol
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 25 January 2016 15: 49
            +5
            ..... It seems to me that in the cost of Japanese boats, a large share of the United States ....

            ..... Well, yes .... "... The Australian Navy is planning to order up to 12 submarines with a total cost of about $ 50 billion ...." ..... 4 lard with a tail apiece. ... they are ordering the nuclear submarine ... laughing
            1. Alexandr-NVR
              Alexandr-NVR 25 January 2016 16: 20
              +4
              4,5 - the base cost of an aircraft carrier (Nimitz class) with a nuclear power plant.
              True, the last - “George W. Bush” ”(USS George HW Bush CVN-77) cost $ 6 + billion.
              In any case, a very strange price for diesel-electric submarines, even with an anaerobic power plant.
            2. Jatviag
              Jatviag 25 January 2016 19: 14
              +1
              Explicit typo .... Not 50 billion, but 5 billion.
              1. 2С5
                2С5 26 January 2016 09: 33
                0
                ... well 50 is more pleasant than 5 request
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 25 January 2016 15: 32
      +3
      Why Australia submarine? belay Euro-aliens, so there they scared all the kangaroos, now they will take up the fish laughing
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2016 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Why Australia submarine? belay Euro-aliens, so there they scared all the kangaroos, now they will take up the fish laughing

        China is increasing the strength of its fleets. At the same time, Japan and Australia are all regarded as a direct threat to them. Well, the United States has long decided on its main threats.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 25 January 2016 16: 10
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: siberalt
          Why Australia submarine? belay Euro-aliens, so there they scared all the kangaroos, now they will take up the fish laughing

          China is increasing the strength of its fleets. At the same time, Japan and Australia are all regarded as a direct threat to them. Well, the United States has long decided on its main threats.

          NEXUS. How are you doing in Moldova?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 January 2016 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: keel 31
            NEXUS. How are you doing in Moldova?

            It’s still relatively quiet, but protests continue. But no one burns tires and shoots people.
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 25 January 2016 17: 47
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: keel 31
              NEXUS. How are you doing in Moldova?

              It’s still relatively quiet, but protests continue. But no one burns tires and shoots people.

              It is good that not without towers. I am bothered by the one election this year in Romania and the PMR, possibly in Moldova. After the election, who will come and how everything will unfold. In Romania, for any State Department will recommend someone to vote for.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 January 2016 17: 58
                +3
                Quote: keel 31
                It is good that not without towers. I am bothered by the one election this year in Romania and the PMR, possibly in Moldova. After the election, who will come and how everything will unfold. In Romania, for any State Department will recommend someone to vote for.

                All over the world, at Moldovan embassies, Moldovan citizens (who work abroad) staged pickets stating that if they did not dismiss the government, they would return to Moldova and then it would end not only with peaceful protests.
                1. kil 31
                  kil 31 25 January 2016 20: 26
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: keel 31
                  It is good that not without towers. I am bothered by the one election this year in Romania and the PMR, possibly in Moldova. After the election, who will come and how everything will unfold. In Romania, for any State Department will recommend someone to vote for.

                  All over the world, at Moldovan embassies, Moldovan citizens (who work abroad) staged pickets stating that if they did not dismiss the government, they would return to Moldova and then it would end not only with peaceful protests.

                  Probably scary. I doubt that after the lesson that Ukraine has shown to the world, someone wants the same. They will probably act in a different way. By the way, their bureaucrats already have practice, because of the unrest in the streets to lay down their powers. There is a high probability that they will listen to people on the streets.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 25 January 2016 20: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: keel 31
                    Probably scary. I doubt that after the lesson that Ukraine has shown to the world, someone wants the same. They will probably act in a different way. By the way, their bureaucrats already have practice, because of the unrest in the streets to lay down their powers. There is a high probability that they will listen to people on the streets.

                    Moldova is one of the few countries with a large part of the capable population located outside it (they work, study, live). And therefore, I do not think that these are just threats. The thieves and poverty within the country have simply crossed all borders.
                    1. kil 31
                      kil 31 25 January 2016 21: 11
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS

                      Moldova is one of the few countries with a large part of the capable population located outside it (they work, study, live). And therefore, I do not think that these are just threats. The thieves and poverty within the country have simply crossed all borders.

                      I will not argue, I don’t know what they think there. We will see. All the same, I hope that the bureaucrats agree to the requirements without taking them to extremes. hi
    4. Maksus
      Maksus 25 January 2016 16: 11
      +2
      In general, for Australia - not the worst option. Japanese boats are modern and the manufacturing plant is nearby. It is much more convenient for koalas than in Germany to take. And the boats themselves at dzhapy worthy, modern, quiet and relatively inexpensive. We would somehow need to resist them starting ....
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 25 January 2016 17: 06
        0
        It’s interesting that the Americans are demanding from Japan for the promotion of their submarines? Remember how with our helicopters for Afghanistan? -Step to the left, step to the right and immediately screams from Congress (State Department?) - Afghans! Don’t buy helicopters from Russians !!!
        So they threatened us to block this deal .... And there was money there, the cat cried, for $ 17 million.
  2. Abbra
    Abbra 25 January 2016 15: 09
    +5
    Well, it’s understandable why they are so shaking for Japan and Australia. The only allies in this region. And against - Russia and China. Add up your balance of power just in case. Politics, ml ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 25 January 2016 15: 42
      +1
      Or maybe the case is in Antarctica for the United States? Then Australia, with Japanese submarines, will leave the Japanese kito-eaters without "traditional, national food." laughing In any case, only America is the winner.
    2. Pajamas
      Pajamas 25 January 2016 15: 46
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Well, it’s understandable why they are so shaking for Japan and Australia. The only allies in this region. And against - Russia and China. Add up your balance of power just in case. Politics, ml ...

      Do you think that Australia is in the region of Russia's interests? And if, in fact, it’s interesting what boats will be delivered. Now "Soryu" is Stirling Engines, but the Japanese decided to abandon them in the future and switch to lithium-ion batteries. Interestingly, Japan in operation (2016) will have diesel-electric, diesel + Sterling, diesel + lithium-ion, which, of course, during the exercises will give them the opportunity to qualitatively evaluate all types of boats in practice, in conditions close to combat, but the trend is however visible , Stirling is still being abandoned. In connection with the aforementioned, what are they talking about to the Australians, then there is another interesting point, judging by the timing of the submarine's commissioning, Japan has been building no more than 1 boat a year, already since 1991, how are they going to deliver 12 to Australia?
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 25 January 2016 20: 18
        0
        Stirling? Do you mean an EXTERNAL combustion engine ??? Are you sure?
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 25 January 2016 22: 28
          0
          Quote: Maksus
          Stirling? Do you mean an EXTERNAL combustion engine ??? Are you sure?


          He is.
          V4-275R from Kokums ...
          75 kilowatts.
          2pcs on board.
          1. Pajamas
            Pajamas 26 January 2016 04: 16
            0
            Quote: mav1971
            Quote: Maksus
            Stirling? Do you mean an EXTERNAL combustion engine ??? Are you sure?


            He is.
            V4-275R from Kokums ...
            75 kilowatts.
            2pcs on board.

            2 pieces on board Swedish boats "Gotland", they are one and a half times less than 1590 tons and the same 20 miles per hour, the Japanese have 4 pieces on board and 23 miles
            "Diesel-electric submarines" Soryu "are developed on the basis of ships of the" Oyashio "type. The submarine displacement of the submarines is 4,2 thousand tons with a length of 84 and a width of 9,1 meters. The ships are equipped with 2 diesel-electric power plants Kawasaki 12V 25/25 SB and 4 air-independent Stirling engines Kawasaki Kockums V4-275R joint Swedish-Japanese development. "Soryu" is capable of diving to a depth of 500 meters, reaching speeds of up to 20 knots, and their range is 6,1 thousand miles. The submarines are armed with six 533 mm torpedo tubes with ammunition for 30 Type 89 torpedoes or Harpoon cruise missiles. Soryu is being built at Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. "
        2. Pajamas
          Pajamas 26 January 2016 04: 44
          0
          Quote: Maksus
          Stirling? Do you mean an EXTERNAL combustion engine ??? Are you sure?

          and what surprises you so much, in the West they have been released for domestic needs for several years.
          http://ftenergo.com/upload/iblock/32f/32f778a4a3d98e47309576c5f21d5675.pdf
  3. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 25 January 2016 15: 11
    +2
    ))) Here they have to stick their nose everywhere, they will pinch it soon, Swaziland would have better steamed 2000 of our Kamaz trucks)))
  4. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 25 January 2016 15: 13
    +8
    Tip-216 is still not very soon put on stream, and Barracuda seems to be atomic, and Australia chooses from non-atomic ones. Therefore, the choice is in principle logical. What strikes me most is the other, why is Australia so ardently arming itself? For example, New Zealand is nearby, it is not audible, it doesn’t buy anything seriously serious militarily, but Australia is the opposite.
    And where does the price of 50 billion dollars come from? Nuclear submarines cost 1,8-2,5 billion dollars, you can buy 20 nuclear submarines, but not nuclear cheaper ones.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 25 January 2016 15: 49
      +1
      Maybe a typo ... And this is how "golden" boats with platinum periscopes are obtained ... laughing
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 25 January 2016 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: VadimLives
        Maybe a typo ... And this is how "golden" boats with platinum periscopes are obtained

        On our resource "VO", such bloopers are generally the norm .... they can stick a photo 626 of the project to the article and call them Elk ..... why be surprised then ??? and then what bucks with an error ...
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 25 January 2016 22: 31
      0
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

      And where does the price of 50 billion dollars come from? Nuclear submarines cost 1,8-2,5 billion dollars, you can buy 20 nuclear submarines, but not nuclear cheaper ones.


      I think that this is the price of the entire contract for the entire service life.
      Powered by crews, repairs, parts, paint for flagpoles for 30 years in advance.
      The "democratic countries of the world and good" love to voice such contracts.
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 January 2016 15: 15
    +3
    Japan gave them a kickback for lobbying their submarines? And the Kengurlands were not even given the right to choose, the owner said "take" -then buy. Here's an example of democracy from the United States, or do what I said, or bomb.
  6. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 25 January 2016 15: 16
    +1
    It’s nothing personal, just business. Yes, and once again, lollipop will not hurt your ally once again.
  7. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 25 January 2016 15: 21
    +1
    Old Merkel will not be happy.
  8. Taygerus
    Taygerus 25 January 2016 15: 24
    +1
    Where the Omerikans are there again their exclusivity, neither give nor take
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 25 January 2016 15: 26
    +1
    “US officials publicly remain neutral on Australia’s choice of provider country, but privately express their preference Japan's victory in this tender- the newspaper writes.


    If my memory serves me right, in 1941, in early December, they were in no hurry to express their preference for the victory of Japan in the town of Pearl Harbor ...

    How fast time runs, how fast preferences change ... request
  10. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2016 15: 30
    0
    And why are they so hard for the Japanese products? Why aren’t they ordering their own? And what do they have there for the latest technology? In the event of war, to order all technology to order the American Council of Staffs to obey?
  11. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 25 January 2016 15: 32
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    And why are they so hard for the Japanese products? Why aren’t they ordering their own? And what do they have there for the latest technology? In the event of war, to order all technology to order the American Council of Staffs to obey?

    The USA does not produce diesel submarines.
  12. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 25 January 2016 15: 39
    +1
    Australia is a supplier country, but privately express a preference for Japan to win this tender, the newspaper writes. “In turn, high-ranking Australian official sources express fears that if they choose France (Barracuda class submarine) or Germany (216 class submarine) they will not be able to equip the new submarine fleet with the most modern American military technologies." and I think that they are so baked for the Japanese.
  13. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 25 January 2016 15: 42
    +2
    4.1 billion dollars apiece, however ...
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2016 15: 53
    +1
    Yes, I have the same doubt about zero.
    And that you are pestering unhappy amers. Their worries are full of mouth. The block needs to be assembled, China’s transport routes must be blocked. Suddenly, China will break through Indochina, so that there is someone to meet him in the Indian Ocean. General weapons systems, for the block, this is good, this is understandable.
    But aren't the Americans interested in the new Japanese developments? Climbing on Australian boats and a lot of things they will find interesting, free for themselves.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 January 2016 15: 55
    +3
    Here is a comparison chart of the main
    Characteristics of competing submarines:
  16. Comrade Miguel
    Comrade Miguel 25 January 2016 16: 14
    0
    Great Britain can make normal boats for its province if it wants! Greedy everyone!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 January 2016 16: 53
      0
      Australia is formally part of the British Commonwealth, but
      completely estranged from England economically and militarily. She mainly trades
      with Japan and China, and is friends in the military sphere with the United States.
  17. mvg
    mvg 25 January 2016 18: 47
    0
    Quote: Maksus
    In general, for Australia - not the worst option. Japanese boats are modern and the manufacturing plant is nearby. It is much more convenient for koalas than in Germany to take. And the boats themselves at dzhapy worthy, modern, quiet and relatively inexpensive. We would somehow need to resist them starting ....

    The most important thing is "inexpensive" ... just at the price tag of the nuclear submarine .. Almost like "Ash". How many srach was when for Dolphin, the Jews were billed for 600 thousand, and then only 4 lard ... belay
  18. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 25 January 2016 19: 32
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Australia is formally part of the British Commonwealth, but
    completely estranged from England economically and militarily. She mainly trades
    with Japan and China, and is friends in the military sphere with the United States.


    And then England is not friends in the military sphere with the United States ...
  19. From Samara
    From Samara 25 January 2016 19: 53
    0
    And what? Japan knows how to make them!
  20. Zai pali
    Zai pali 26 January 2016 04: 26
    0
    We do not need it, with such a range. The Australian coastline is about 36 thousand kilometers.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 26 January 2016 05: 54
    0
    no matter where the kangaroos are ordered, but they will pay for life ...