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IG militants claim to have captured the Syrian army’s “Square” SAM

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On the eve of the militants of the so-called "Islamic State" published a photo, the signature under which says that in the area of ​​Deir-ez-Zor was captured anti-aircraft missile system 2К12 "Cube" (export version - "Square"). The report, published by the militants, says that the seizure of the anti-aircraft missile system of the Russian (actually - Soviet, - VO) production took place at one of the positions of the Syrian government army. According to statements by ISIL militants, several anti-aircraft missiles were in their hands.


IG militants claim to have captured the Syrian army’s “Square” SAM


Such a complex was widely exported by the Soviet Union over 40 years ago. The Kvadrat SAM system took part in numerous armed conflicts in the Middle East. The main operators of the “Cub” air defense system (“Square”) besides the armed forces of the Soviet Union (at one time) and Syria were (are) such countries as India, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Poland.

In a number of Western (as well as Ukrainian) media outlets managed to misinterpret information about the seizure by militants of the Kvadrat air defense system, writing that igilovtsy "captured the anti-aircraft missile system from the servicemen of the Russian army." This disinformation in the format of “spoiled phone” is distributed in a number of foreign segments of social networks and the media “information”.

The main question is whether the militants will be able to use the anti-aircraft missile system if it really was captured by them from the Syrian army? If we consider that there are quite a few former soldiers of the Iraqi army as part of the IG, in which the Kvadrat air defense system was in service, this probability is high.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 25 January 2016 13: 20
    41
    The bad news ... Although, it seems to me that it was not the Syrians who seized him, but the sponsors delivered them this complex ...
    1. yushch
      yushch 25 January 2016 13: 23
      17
      Yes, actually this news has been around for about a week, at first the noise seemed to rise, and then everything calmed down.
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 January 2016 13: 32
        +9
        It is very likely that the owners - the United States - "presented" it to scare the Russian aviation ... or just throw it in.
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        2. bulvas
          bulvas 25 January 2016 13: 34
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          It is very likely that the owners - the United States - "presented" it to scare the Russian aviation ... or just throw it in.



          Fraternal Ukraine sold to Qatar or to the igil at once, so they "captured"


          Quote: seti
          Well, it means that his calculation did not last long. Soon pilaf will eat with shaitans


          - Gauges to help them

          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor 25 January 2016 14: 51
            11
            A captured "cube" is not a problem.
            Or do you seriously think that we do not have the means to suppress air defense? Moreover, not some new air defense, but ours, the old - about which we all know, up to the frequency range of a particular radar.

            And the fact that ISIS openly admit that they seized this air defense only means that they cannot use it.
            Because it would be much more competent to keep this fact a secret in order to try to unexpectedly bring down an airplane.
            1. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 25 January 2016 16: 39
              0
              Quote: Darkmor
              A captured "cube" is not a problem.

              SAMs at sheep breeders, automatically a problem. We need X-31 there
              1. alone
                alone 25 January 2016 17: 34
                +1
                Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                sheep farmers


                These sheep farmers, as you put it, managed to seize the half of Iraq and Syria, became the headache of the whole world. The enemy cannot be underestimated so much.

                As we all know, there are many former military men of Saddam among ISIS = Tsev. It is possible that among them there are specialists in air defense. This type of air defense system was in service with the Saddam army, so the presence of air defense systems in ISIS can be a big problem.

                Many Iranian planes and helicopters were shot down by similar air defense systems during the Iran-Iraq war.
              2. bhdir1946
                bhdir1946 25 January 2016 18: 04
                +1
                I agree, the technique in the hands of the barbarian is dead. But
                there is Mr. chance. In Cuba (and suddenly in their counterparts) maneuvering capabilities were high
          2. Xergey
            Xergey 25 January 2016 15: 03
            0
            Or maybe they will test a new rocket from Iskander, which must fly 2000 km.
          3. NIKNN
            NIKNN 25 January 2016 20: 31
            +2
            They could not capture it for what positions, and the front seems to be moving in the other direction, so that a clean fit and probably a working complex. Who will work on it? So remember Georgia, who worked there? Like it or not, the news is not good. We hope that we know the frequencies and modes of our complex well and drown them out without problems. hi
        3. Altona
          Altona 25 January 2016 13: 55
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          to scare Russian aviation ..

          ------------------------
          And why scare it? Hit this place with "Caliber" or 101st as usual and destroy the complex so that there is no temptation ..
          1. just exp
            just exp 25 January 2016 14: 30
            +7
            coordinates where to sniff a caliber do not tell me?
            1. Altona
              Altona 25 January 2016 16: 10
              +1
              Quote: just explo
              coordinates where to sniff a caliber do not tell me?

              --------------------------
              Drones fly, reconnaissance is carried out. If they drove him into the cave, then there is no sense from him; if he is deployed, they will find him. And if it still shines with its radar, then it will be even more so. S-400 for what is the same there. But it seems to me that besides the launcher there is nothing there, no radar support.
            2. Fat
              Fat 25 January 2016 17: 56
              +2
              Quote: just EXPL
              coordinates where to sniff a caliber do not tell me?

              What for? it is enough for IS specialists to put on alert (turn on the radar), everything will immediately become clear. "Caliber" for "square" is too rich, it is necessary to save the people's money.
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      3. seti
        seti 25 January 2016 13: 33
        +8
        Well, it means that his calculation did not last long. Soon pilaf will eat with shaitans
      4. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 25 January 2016 14: 58
        +1
        This news is almost a month old, even if the complex is in a combat-ready state, I’m not sure that the Basmachis will successfully use it. Is there an abundance of old-counter systems, and when did the Arabs successfully use it?
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    2. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 25 January 2016 13: 25
      +5
      Maybe they captured, maybe someone gave, the main thing is whether they have an intelligence and guidance installation.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 25 January 2016 13: 34
        +2
        It would be nice to destroy this "square".
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 25 January 2016 13: 56
        +4
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        Do they have an intelligence and guidance installation?

        the guidance station is the same, there is no control cabin (intelligence))) about this a week ago, not only wrote, but also shown on the box ...
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 25 January 2016 14: 43
          +4
          .... the guidance station is the same, there is no control cabin (intelligence))) about this a week ago, not only wrote, but also shown on the box ...

          ... Not only .... The complex is quite old and the level of noise immunity is weak .... I think that modern electronic warfare systems will quickly "extinguish", and there are anti-radar missiles on the signal of the guidance station (the same x-31) .... I think they have been in Syria for a long time and are part of the wearable ammunition load of cover aircraft ... But still bad news ... lol
          1. your1970
            your1970 25 January 2016 19: 11
            0
            Work in firing mode - when our aircraft dominate in the air = death of calculation. I think even the stubborn ISIS understand this, army specialists of the army of S. Hussein understand these repeatedly(for that they are specialists). Especially taking into account the experience of defeating the army of S. Hussein, when US aircraft took air ....
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 25 January 2016 14: 28
        +1
        And this is the most important question in this situation.
      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 25 January 2016 15: 05
        +1
        Yes, they have nothing. Dumb Arabs can only be trusted with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, and that’s why it is reliable. As practice shows, if Arabs get modern weapons, it either does not work, or works very poorly. A good example. Iraq. Soviet technology, including modern, he was littered. And what, the Yankees flew to bomb Iraq, as if to their home. Well, maybe a couple of planes have been lost, against the general background this is not even a loss.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 January 2016 16: 12
          0
          Quote: Orionvit
          A good example. Iraq. Soviet technology, including modern, he was littered. And what, the Yankees flew to bomb Iraq, as if to their home.

          there, Shevarnadze leaked to the Yankees the frequency of the air defense systems that the Iraqis were armed with and serviced by these systems by our advisers.
    3. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 25 January 2016 13: 26
      +7
      One car from the complex was not there. Captured from the Syrians near Deir ez-Zor. Doubts about the performance are big. There are supply risks from sponsors of a workable kit for this business.
    4. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 January 2016 13: 29
      +4
      Yes, nothing this complex can do alone. Su-34 hunting will solve this problem.

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    6. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx 25 January 2016 13: 43
      +1
      The main thing is to be able to use the "Square". God grant that there are no such.
    7. Bongo
      Bongo 25 January 2016 13: 44
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      The bad news ... Although, it seems to me that it was not the Syrians who seized him, but the sponsors delivered them this complex ...

      Come on you No. Where did the "sponsors" get workable complexes, the production of which was completed in the USSR in the early 80s. In addition, in order to effectively use MANPADS, you must have competent calculations. And for the Kvadrat air defense missile system, it is impassable to train specialists in military schools. In Libya, these systems were also captured by the Islamists, but they could not use them for their intended purpose and, as a result, were converted for firing at ground targets (pictured).


      Missiles complex 2K12 "Square" on an armored personnel carrier "Puma"
      1. opus
        opus 25 January 2016 13: 58
        +6
        Quote: Bongo
        Where did the "sponsors" get workable production complexes?

        is in service with Ukraine, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland ....

        even the Popular Front for the liberation of Seget El Hamra and Rio de Oo (Front POLISARIO, Spanish: Frente Popular de Liberación de Saguía el Hamra y Río de Oro-POLISARIO) is.
        Transfer to "sponsors" without any problem.
        In the USA, he is also there.


        2P25 launcher in sand coloring. Photo of Nellis Air Base

        At the IDET-2011 military exhibition in Brno (Czech Republic) in May 2011 and at the Avisalon in Le Bourget in June, a demonstration model of the modernization version of the Soviet medium-range air defense system 2K12 "Cube" equipped with Italian Aspide 2000 anti-aircraft missiles was shown

        In 2006-2008, under the contract of the Czech Ministry of Defense, RETIA carried out a limited modernization of the Kub air defense system of the 25th anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Czech Army under the SURN CZ program, and then integrated these complexes into the RACCOS automated control system of the Czech armed forces.

        The future of the project is now very uncertain, since in June the Czech military announced plans for further reductions in military spending, including including removal from service of all air defense systems "Cube" of the Czech army by 2016.

        At the time of the collapse of Czechoslovakia in 1993, its army had seven regimental sets of 2K12 "Cub" air defense systems.
        To date, in the Czech army, these systems are in service with the 251st anti-aircraft missile battalion (four-battery composition) of the 25th anti-aircraft missile brigade in Strakonice.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 25 January 2016 14: 01
          +4
          Quote: opus
          is in service with Ukraine, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland ....

          Not anymore ... I declare this to you responsibly ... Their time has passed ...
          Anton, you yourself are aware that the "bearded" ones will not be able to use them, even if they were.
          1. opus
            opus 25 January 2016 18: 42
            0
            Quote: Bongo
            Not anymore ... I declare this to you responsibly ... Their time has passed ...

            http://www.retia.eu/en/products


            http://www.military-retia.eu/en/modernization-2k12-kub

            http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6318



            my eyes say otherwise

            Quote: Bongo
            that the "bearded" will not be able to use them, even if they were.

            MIL.IN.UA • Redefinition by those - Technical Literature
            download whatever you want.
            And "ukrospetsy will help"
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            Quote: Bongo
            In Libya, these systems were also captured by the Islamists,

            1.after the fall of mode
            2. I can’t understand: WHY DO WE CARRY THE SAR INTO A MOVEMENT IF THE BEARED DOES NOT HAVE AN AIR FORCE?
            What to give them7
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 January 2016 18: 50
              +1
              Anton, "Squares" in European countries in service have nowhere left. Upgrade options are offered for a few countries where they still exist. However, I doubt that such orders will appear. The Ukrainian industry is now unable to even saturate its own air defense with modernized complexes. Moreover, the missiles created in the USSR are many times overdue.
              1. opus
                opus 25 January 2016 19: 44
                0
                Quote: Bongo
                Anton, "Kvadratov" in European countries are no longer in service anywhere.

                REPEAT
                Quote: opus
                To date, in the Czech army, these systems are in service with the 251st anti-aircraft missile battalion (four-battery composition) of the 25th anti-aircraft missile brigade in Strakonice.


                Do not believe me (or your eyes) - ask the question directly:
                http://www.25plrb.army.cz/zakladni-informace


                Quote: Bongo
                Moreover, missiles created in the USSR are many times overdue

                repeat:

                Quote: opus
                DOLG PUDNADSKIY SCIENTIFIC-PRODUCTION ENTERPRISE, OJSC still carries out special work on post-warranty maintenance of products 3M9M, 3M9M3 ..


                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 26 January 2016 02: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: opus
                  Do not believe me (or your eyes) - ask the question directly:

                  Anton, the Czech complexes are at best "in storage"; their life expired back in 2014.
                  1. opus
                    opus 26 January 2016 14: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    their resource expired in 2014.

                    the given site and info is 25th anti-aircraft missile brigade in Strakonice.
                    This is not a storage warehouse. This is a valid RF. And they say NOTHING about "storage"
      2. Turkestan
        Turkestan 25 January 2016 16: 51
        0
        Sorry, but you probably forgot that the military backbone of the IHL is made up of former Iraqi army officers who studied at military schools of the USSR. And they taught us with high quality. And if these systems appeared at the IGL, then they also have attendants.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 25 January 2016 16: 56
          +1
          Quote: Turkestan
          Sorry, but you probably forgot that the military backbone of the IHL is made up of former Iraqi army officers who studied at the military universities of the USSR.

          Please remind me when the Kvadrat complexes stopped operating in Iraq and how many of them were there in general, say 10 years ago? Forgive me, but I don’t believe that IS will have at least a dozen specialists capable of using and maintaining this air defense system.
          1. Turkestan
            Turkestan 25 January 2016 22: 55
            0
            I think the combat use of these systems will be able to judge us. Then we will understand the level of combat training of the personal composition of the needle
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 January 2016 13: 58
      +1
      IG militants claim to have captured the Syrian army’s “Square” SAM
      determine the location, then a matter of technology. decompose the square into molecules ...
    9. Homo
      Homo 25 January 2016 15: 28
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      Although, it seems to me that it was not the Syrians who seized him, but the sponsors delivered them this complex ...

      If you do not wonder - why the Syrian army at the forefront of air defense systems, if ISIS does not have aviation ???
    10. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 25 January 2016 15: 36
      0
      Well, a cube and a cube) one air defense system does not do weather at all ... Its characteristics, even taking into account modernization, are not the same ...
    11. sherman1506
      sherman1506 25 January 2016 16: 03
      0
      How long?
    12. Dreiko11
      Dreiko11 26 January 2016 02: 38
      0
      "The fraternal people of Ukraine" most likely with the help of s.
    13. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 26 January 2016 11: 22
      0
      among the bearded there are professionals to work on this complex ??? In addition, in the photo only PU
      PU is not the whole complex yet.
  2. 79807420129
    79807420129 25 January 2016 13: 20
    +8
    Yes, the news is not pleasant, ours should take this into account.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 January 2016 13: 42
      +1
      I beg of you! Have we banned electronic warfare systems? Or are you out of gauges in the Caspian? Besides, how many kilometers does the Square shoot? 25 km at best? Have you seen his performance characteristics? To "neutralize" it is a piece of cake hi
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 25 January 2016 13: 59
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        To "neutralize" it is a piece of cake

        Well, spit and solve this problem ... you are our elementary ((.... kindly ... write how ??? ... the beech is the same time to spit neutralize ?? ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 January 2016 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: gispanec
          Well, spit and solve this problem ... you are our elementary ((.... kindly ... write how ???

          Exactly the same way as they solved the problem of two "Os" previously seized by the Islamists. The "platypus" arrived - and there were two less air defense systems.
          Quote: gispanec
          beech the same time to spit neutralize ?? ...

          He-he-he ... Shamanov did it back in 2008. On his site, unlike in South Ossetia, the Bukov battery sat quieter than a mouse. And all that was needed was to organize the watch in the air of the electronic warfare helicopters.
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz 25 January 2016 14: 51
            +1
            The "platypus" arrived - and there were two less air defense systems.

            Just do not call war ducklings duckbill bully
        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 25 January 2016 14: 21
          0
          I would "solve this problem", but my profession is not the same. Do you really think that it is so difficult to neutralize the air defense system, which was developed almost half a century ago? Given his performance characteristics. He does not know how to "work" on cruise missiles, the maximum speed of the targeted target is up to Mach 2. The first thing that comes to mind is to shoot from the X-31, it is just for this purpose. No, well, of course, you can shoot with Caliber from the Caspian, you can come up with a lot of things ...

          By the way, I very much doubt that these unshaven monkeys will master this complex complex. It will be easier to continue to use military contraceptives laughing
          1. Born in USSR
            Born in USSR 25 January 2016 16: 18
            +1
            Quote: Wiruz
            I doubt that these unshaven monkeys will master this complex complex

            There is one trifle that is desirable to consider. In Syria, there are enough people trained to work with these complexes, and later overrun to Assad’s opponents. A completely different issue is their psychology, as fighters and specialists. Well, they are fighting according to the rules established by Sharia, and not the charter.
  3. excomandante
    excomandante 25 January 2016 13: 20
    +3
    Most likely, Daishaks were brought anti-aircraft missiles from the United States or from their six countries, now Daishaks are pre-arranged, that’s where we got our air defense systems. Vile story.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 January 2016 13: 44
      +1
      That is, you do not even take into account that the Squares are in service with the SAA, and that with a high degree of probability ISIS they got as trophies? I have bad news for you!
      Now, if ISIS Stingers appeared, like spirits in Afghanistan, then - yes! Footprints would lead to Washington hi
      1. opus
        opus 25 January 2016 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Footprints would lead to Washington

        Nellis Air Force Base is a U.S. Air Force base located in Nevada 13 km northeast of Las Vegas.

        One of the main functions of the air base is training of American and foreign fighter pilots. Here it is US Air Force Warfare Center. Various international exercises are regularly held at the airbase, of which the most famous are Red Flag. Next to it is the Nevada Test and Training Range.

        There they are.

        NIIP / Vympel 2K12 Kub (NATO: SA-6 "Gainful") Mobile Surface-to-Air Missile Launcher
        USA / Nevada / Sunrise Manor / Nearby cities: Henderson, Nevada, Boulder City, Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada Coordinates: 36 ° 13'50 "N 115 ° 3'3" W

        In tch. delivered from Iraq

        there are a lot of things at this airbase




        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 January 2016 14: 15
          0
          Old Occam in a coffin turns over.
          The "squares" were exactly on the base that the Islamists had stormed. And the Syrians already had a precedent for leaving the air defense system: earlier, 2 “Osa” air defense systems fell into the hands of the Islamists.
          1. opus
            opus 25 January 2016 19: 16
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The "squares" were exactly on the base that the Islamists had stormed.

            did not have
            Quote: opus
            in Deir ez-Zor SAM, the same were not deployed.
            Only the 8th Squadron with the MiG-21 and 104th Brigade of the Republican Guard (these SAMs are not in its arsenal)

            دير الزور معركة أسطورة الصمود أسود عصام زهر الدين وجها لوجه مع داعش في فيديو لم ترو مثث

            (find, poke your finger)

        2. Bongo
          Bongo 25 January 2016 14: 15
          +2
          Quote: opus
          there are a lot of things at this airbase

          Including this:

          But I'm sorry I don’t believe in deliveries of “Squares” from the USA. No.
          1. just exp
            just exp 25 January 2016 14: 34
            0
            with the United States is unlikely, but from Ukraine or some other former. socialist countries is quite possible.
          2. WUA 518
            WUA 518 25 January 2016 15: 13
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            But I'm sorry I don’t believe in deliveries of "Squares" from the USA

            Sergey welcome. And if, as an option, Bulgaria, Turkey, and further to the "addressee"
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 January 2016 15: 22
              +3
              Quote: WUA 518
              Sergey welcome. And if, as an option, Bulgaria, Turkey, and further to the "addressee"

              Greetings! What's the point? I do not think that the United States and Europe have significant stocks of missiles and parts for this complex. In addition, the resource of most of the "Kvadrat" air defense missile systems whose production ended in 1983 was practically exhausted. And the warranty storage periods for missiles are long overdue. Those. its technical reliability will not be very high, and its noise immunity characteristics do not correspond to modern standards. If the Russian army no longer has the first Buk air defense systems, what can we say about the Cuba.
              1. opus
                opus 25 January 2016 19: 18
                0
                Quote: Bongo
                What's the point?

                SAA is so mediocre that it loses (just like that) its air defense systems.
                The same meaning as with the use of chemical weapons DAISH (all piled on the SAA).
                Shoot down at least one plane of any neo-combatant and "it's in the bag"
          3. opus
            opus 25 January 2016 18: 54
            0
            Quote: Bongo
            Including this:

            Well, I focused only on the SAM (on the topic of the article)
            Quote: Bongo
            But I'm sorry I don’t believe in deliveries of “Squares” from the USA.

            in Deir ez-Zor SAM, the same were not deployed.
            Only the 8th Squadron with the MiG-21 and 104th Brigade of the Republican Guard (these SAMs are not in its arsenal)

            دير الزور معركة أسطورة الصمود أسود عصام زهر الدين وجها لوجه مع داعش في فيديو لم ترو مثث

  4. venaya
    venaya 25 January 2016 13: 22
    +1
    Sponsors of this war have buried a lot of money in Syria in Syria, now they come up with how to lower their expenses by knocking down our planes as if by the Syrian opposition or there Daesh, and they come up with all kinds of bvyoks.
  5. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 25 January 2016 13: 22
    +4
    The news is already with a beard ... I honestly thought he was already destroyed ...
  6. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 25 January 2016 13: 23
    +1
    Unpleasant. But not deadly. You have to be careful. Fly even higher. And to feature everything that even remotely resembles an air defense system.
    1. opus
      opus 25 January 2016 19: 21
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      . Fly even higher.

      Much higher than that?
  7. lwxx
    lwxx 25 January 2016 13: 23
    +2
    The main question here is whether there was a capture. Most likely, the "partners" planted it, and now they are molding the official version. They say it's not us, they are themselves.
  8. salad
    salad 25 January 2016 13: 24
    +1
    It's okay, one flight of the aerospace forces and no air defense systems)))
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 25 January 2016 13: 29
      +3
      Yes, it would be necessary to hunt for "Square" missiles Kh-31PK
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 25 January 2016 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        Yes, it would be necessary to hunt for "Square" missiles Kh-31PK

        "Cube" / "Quadrad" affected area both in range and in height 9 km. Is the Kh-31PK greasy? I think the Kh-25MPU will be enough.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 25 January 2016 13: 44
          +3
          "Cube" / "Quadrad" affected area both in range and in height 9 km. Is the Kh-31PK greasy? I think the Kh-25MPU will be enough.

          God be with you, in the range of 22-25!
          1. Fregate
            Fregate 25 January 2016 13: 54
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            God be with you, in the range of 22-25!

            Yes? Well, initially there were 9km, it is possible to upgrade, but I do not know about it. In any case, the X-25mpu up to 40 km like)
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 January 2016 13: 57
              +4
              Quote: Fregate
              Yes? Well, initially there were 9km, it is possible to upgrade, but I do not know about it.

              Perhaps you are confusing with "Wasp"? request Even in the first version, the "Cuba" range was more than 20 km.
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 25 January 2016 14: 21
            +2
            Quote: Wiruz
            God be with you, in the range of 22-25!

            But it is considered a slant range. At least on the S-125, the slant range was 25-28 km. It is like a hypotenuse in a right triangle.
            1. Wiruz
              Wiruz 25 January 2016 14: 53
              +1
              But it is considered a slant range. At least on the S-125, the slant range was 25-28 km. It is like a hypotenuse in a right triangle.

              Thank you, but I'm more or less enlightened in this matter, despite the top three in geometry hi
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 25 January 2016 14: 21
        +3
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        Yes, it would be necessary to hunt for "Square" missiles Kh-31PK

        Monsieur is a perfectionist. smile
        Good enough old X-58. And even the X-25MP.

        But in general - as I understand it, at the disposal of our VKS group there is a whole range of KTRV products. To whom is war, and to whom - military trials.
        1. Turkestan
          Turkestan 25 January 2016 16: 54
          0
          X-66,23 wink good too!!!
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 25 January 2016 17: 00
            +3
            Quote: Turkestan
            X-66,23 is not bad either !!!

            These SDs have not been in operation since 25.
            1. Turkestan
              Turkestan 25 January 2016 23: 00
              0
              Is X-25 not old smile Sorry for sarcasm
  9. Mixweb
    Mixweb 25 January 2016 13: 24
    +7
    What is the meaning of what they captured? They don’t know how to shoot .... Although, Svidomo friends can help them in this. They can’t get used to it ... In Georgia, it was Ukrainian calculations that shot down our planes.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 January 2016 14: 22
      0
      Quote: Mixweb
      What is the meaning of what they captured? They don’t know how to shoot ....

      Read carefully:
      the IS includes many former military personnel of the Iraqi army, in which the Kvadrat air defense system was in service
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 25 January 2016 13: 24
    0
    It is not a single complex itself that is dangerous (probably not a working complex, and only a starting one), but the fact that it is possible to mask the use of a working complex or similar.
  11. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 25 January 2016 13: 25
    +1
    About R-17 (Scud) also wrote that they captured. After the news - no development. Where did they give the rocket? Or was it a lie? Or do not know from what end to approach her?
  12. Abbra
    Abbra 25 January 2016 13: 26
    +2
    Unpleasant, if true. On the other hand, you still need to learn how to shoot. This is not a Kalash, there you need to have oil in your head and qualifications.
  13. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 January 2016 13: 26
    +1
    And use it as intended yourself, without ukrointsev, for example, will you be able to? Or are you waiting for the State Department specialists to "drive" you? God forbid our aviation to cover these complexes with those who dare to serve them.
  14. Dmitrii210
    Dmitrii210 25 January 2016 13: 26
    +2
    An empty stuffing. Only they turn it on for irradiation will be found in an instant, because there is no sense with it. Portable man-portable air defense systems are much more dangerous. And 50s fly over Syria because there will be no problem finding this square.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 January 2016 14: 50
      0
      Everything is more complicated there. The combat effectiveness of the airborne forces of the VKS / USA will be zero, it’s clear there. However, they can transfer him, for example, to Mount Makhin near Baiji or even closer to Fallujah and Baghdad or near Samarra and knock down the aircraft going through Iraq from the echelon, there will be no opposition there. Well, until the first launch, however, if this launch is on Ruslan or the letter Tu-154, there is little pleasant, and they can knock the Airbus / Boeing off the track. Moreover, thanks to technology, now it is possible to track all flights online, even Ruslans and Tu-154 VKS are required to include a transponder at the intersection of routes and the transition from areas of responsibility.
  15. OlegV
    OlegV 25 January 2016 13: 28
    0
    So what ?
    Didn't ours timely install the "friend or foe" program?

    I doubt it .... in any case, I hope that it is established ...... so let these few missiles not scare our pilots.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 25 January 2016 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: OlegV
      have not installed the friend or foe program?

      Is not a fact. And after the hijacking of the MiG-25, a shutdown system was installed, it was called the Belenko button.
    2. opus
      opus 25 January 2016 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: OlegV
      Didn't ours timely install the "friend or foe" program?

      installed ... for the Syrian Air Force.
      What does it change?
      How will the Syrian Air Force’s radar recognition system (“Friend or Foe”) help the Russian Air Force?
      PS Yes, and turn it off easily
  16. rotor
    rotor 25 January 2016 13: 29
    +1
    It seems like these air defense systems are malfunctioning.
  17. Yarik76
    Yarik76 25 January 2016 13: 31
    0
    The complex is old and everything is not easy with it, 'shoot into the sky yes' but no hit!
    1. opus
      opus 25 January 2016 14: 24
      0
      Quote: Yarik76
      The complex is old and everything is not easy with it, 'shoot into the sky yes' but no hit!


      just

      - UNEF peacekeeping operation - the Syrian air defense systems “Cube” participated (together with the S-75 air defense missile systems) in the destruction of the aircraft of the UN peacekeeping mission, after a flight disruption in the designated corridor. After the plane flew into the war zone for unknown reasons], the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners shot down the intruder, the wreckage fell north-east of the village of Ad Dimas. Nine crew members (Canadian peacekeepers) were killed.

      -Iran-Iraq war - used at the beginning of hostilities in 1980 by the Iraqi side. As a result of the use of 2K12E Kvadrat systems, 21 Iranian Air Force aircraft were shot down

      Chadian-Libyan conflict - were used in 1986-1987;

      Libya briefly granted POLISARIO (and there are such "boots") mobile air defense systems "Osa" and "Kvadrat", which were actively used in the battles for Gelt Zemmur, shooting down several enemy aircraft. The Moroccans were especially concerned about the loss of two aircraft at high altitude, after which protests were sent through diplomatic channels to Algeria, Libya and the USSR. Help from the United States urgently followed, including the completion of ten F-5s with AN / ALE-38 decoys and the provision of ALQ-119 electronic warfare suspension systems.


      South African air raids - used by Angola to protect against South African aviation;

      Operation Storm - used by Bosnian Serbs. Complex 2K12E was shot down by a fighter General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon;

      etc.
      Combat use of anti-aircraft missile systems of the country's air defense

    2. donavi49
      donavi49 25 January 2016 14: 46
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      Just the other day, the Hussites from the ancient C-75 shot down a US drone.

      And a little earlier on technical reasons F-16 friends of the SA fell in the same area, and according to the video, it fell burning and without a wing.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 25 January 2016 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Just the other day, the Hussites from the ancient C-75 shot down a US drone.

        It is unlikely that all Yemeni S-75 air defense systems have been in this state for quite some time.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 25 January 2016 16: 03
          +1
          Well, they released the video, plus the US recognized the loss.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 25 January 2016 16: 09
            +3
            Quote: donavi49
            Well, they released the video, plus the US recognized the loss.

            Did you recognize the loss from C-75? No. In this video, the slicing of shots is not known when and where is unknown.
            C-75 in the desert, in the event of domination of enemy aircraft - is doomed to speedy destruction, as well as the surveillance radar P-18. The operation of the CHP-75 and radar is instantly revealed by modern means of electronic intelligence, and the mobility of a single-channel complex is completely unsatisfactory.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 January 2016 13: 33
    +4
    Yes, turn it on - the mind is not enough. And not just the mind. Even if he had been captured along with the calculation, and could be turned on in the search mode, they would have received ammunition directly at the station - a maximum of an hour later. So let it be better to launch contraceptives mined - it's safer.
  19. Papapg
    Papapg 25 January 2016 13: 36
    +3
    Quote: salat
    It's okay, one flight of the aerospace forces and no air defense systems)))

    This is if the videoconferencing reaches this SAM. In fact, the Soviet air defense systems have a high modernization component, it poses a very big threat in the hands of several specialists, literally 2 or 3 people, if it is ours, and the old, Soviet army. It is hoped that the Mujahideen do not have such specialists.
    PS Even a single rocket, operational of course, in good hands is very dangerous, I will not open it further, the specialist will understand.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 25 January 2016 13: 46
      +2
      Uh ... well, I'm not special of course, but the air defense is old, do not deign in a personal chat about a working rocket, and the degree of its danger wink ! Yes, although not, do not strain, I just haven’t heard such nonsense, and what can I do with a separate rocket, put it in a pipe, stick a wick and set fire, for a maximum skillful hands of a specialist, will shake the color-met out of it, well, charge, depending on what striking part!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 25 January 2016 14: 25
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        Yes, although not, do not strain, it's just that I have not heard such nonsense, and what can I do with a single rocket, put it in a pipe, stick a wick and set it on fire, for example?

        Heh heh heh ... in Libya, local Islamists were able to remake missiles in ersatz-br.
        So the group "Dawn of Libya" demonstrated anti-aircraft missiles, prepared for use on ground targets.
        The “modernization” of the C-125 missiles has come down to the fact that the front stabilizers have been removed from them and the self-destruction mechanism and radio detectors are turned off. At the head of the missile, a pin fuse is installed, which produces an 60 kg detonation of a standard fragmentation warhead equipped with a mixture of TNT and hexagons.
        The 3М9 mobile Kvadrat air defense missile system was subjected to a similar modification, in this case the Italian Pu-tank BTR with a standard PU from an anti-aircraft missile system acts as a “self-propelled gun”.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 25 January 2016 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So the group "Dawn of Libya" demonstrated anti-aircraft missiles, prepared for use on ground targets.
          The “modernization” of the C-125 missiles has come down to the fact that the front stabilizers have been removed from them and the self-destruction mechanism and radio detectors are turned off. At the head of the missile, a pin fuse is installed, which produces an 60 kg detonation of a standard fragmentation warhead equipped with a mixture of TNT and hexagons.
          The 3М9 mobile Kvadrat air defense missile system was subjected to a similar modification, in this case the Italian Pu-tank BTR with a standard PU from an anti-aircraft missile system acts as a “self-propelled gun”.

          Damn, you quote me that ... wink
          Ballistic anti-aircraft missiles
          http://topwar.ru/84126-zenitnye-rakety-stavshie-ballisticheskimi.html
  20. 1536
    1536 25 January 2016 13: 38
    +1
    Most likely, the British somewhere got the old Soviet weapons and sold them to the bandits!
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 25 January 2016 13: 41
    +1
    So what will they do with it? This is not a mobile phone, there are all sorts of buttons and toggle switches, and the brain is needed - a trained calculation, the Koran will not help there. And then, he hardly got the whole. And repair with what? A pile of scrap metal with waveguides silver inside and lamps with a magnetron, and a stable local oscillator.
    Even if in working order, as soon as the "high" is turned on, a racket will fly into the emitter, if not from the Russian Aerospace Forces, then from the "partners".
  22. 0255
    0255 25 January 2016 13: 43
    +2
    If ISIS is suddenly foolishly knocked down with a trophy "Square" American "F", I will be glad.
  23. gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 January 2016 13: 45
    +1
    Who cares who presented the ISIS, sold it or the militants captured it somewhere. The main thing is that the sky over Syria is less and less resembling cloudless and those who fly in this sky need to be prepared for everything. Moreover, the SAM can shoot before it is spotted and covered.
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 25 January 2016 13: 58
    +1
    Russia is full of friends from the former social camp. You can see from them that someone was bustling around. All these friends would be for one place and to the museum. I hope that they will detect it and cover our missiles along with those who are there.
  25. Bosk
    Bosk 25 January 2016 14: 10
    0
    I still do not understand the complex or the launcher?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 January 2016 14: 45
      0
      The whole complex. He stood at the Missile Base, which Black had captured that week. In the photo are 2 launchers, 3-4 missiles, the radar itself.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 January 2016 15: 47
        0
        These complexes are probably not in working condition.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 25 January 2016 16: 05
          +2
          The question to which Allah himself does not know the answer.

          An external power cable is routed to the radar. So something definitely works there, not firewood. There is rather a question for missiles, they are definitely a delay, but who knows, it will fly, explode at the start, or work out the whole program?
      2. opus
        opus 25 January 2016 19: 36
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        The whole complex. He stood at the Missile Base

        1. In Deir ez-Zor there was and is no "Rocket base"
        SAM also were not deployed.
        Only the 8th Squadron with the MiG-21 and the 104th Brigade of the Republican Guard (these SAMs are not in its arsenal
        2. "Rocket bases" are for ScudOV, ScarabOV, FROGov - they were not deployed there (as in the article)
        3.The International Institute For Strategic Studies IISS The Military Balance 2012. - Nuffield Press, 2012. - S. 349 p. speaks only about 9K37M1-2 Buk-M1-2, 9K317E Buk-M2E 9 Battery
        4.Your photo and "information" from here



        (I will even die Psaki more than "Tim" ...)
  26. triglav
    triglav 25 January 2016 14: 13
    0
    To begin with, it would be nice to clarify information about the capture of "Square".
  27. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 25 January 2016 14: 17
    0
    find out whether it is known or not in the near future
  28. Appraiser
    Appraiser 25 January 2016 14: 20
    0
    Of course, such a fact in itself deserves attention. Capturing the Cube (Square) is easy, but who will shoot? This is not from a slingshot or from a machine gun for air targets. To manage such a guidance system, it is necessary to be a professional with high combat training. soldier
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 January 2016 14: 53
      0
      They captured a missile base, released an 21 + level video that week. There were prisoners there. And not the fact that these prisoners are not from the personnel of this complex.

      This is the first option.

      The second option is to write to the sponsors.

      The third option, as with the Wasp captured earlier, when they wrote out the "textbooks" - the first missile was disrupted after the training, but the rest went to the target 2 or 3 aircraft were shot down from that complex of 5 missiles (they took 1 into the ground out of ignorance).
  29. Strashila
    Strashila 25 January 2016 15: 06
    +1
    Let this informational stuffing ...
    But these complexes were already in service with the NATO countries of the GDR and Poland.
    They were also in service with Kuwait ...
    So you can wait for nasty things.
  30. ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 26 January 2016 01: 53
    0
    Gentlemen. I understand your concern about the "Square", but it is groundless. In any case, regarding the possibility of its use against our aviation. The comments have already flashed references to the "friend or foe" system and the notorious "Belenko button". All exported air defense systems, both Soviet and Russian, have this system. And not just a system, but a so-called two-marker. Defining both the aircraft of the operator and our aircraft. Moreover, the identifier of our aircraft is embedded in the control unit and it is impossible to turn it off without completely replacing the control unit. So if this air defense system is operational and there are competent guys for its use, then it is only dangerous for the aircraft of the anti-ISIS coalition. That is also good. They will knock down the "Merikan", and they will blame us. Do you remember the Malaysian Boeing? And at the expense of the "belenko button" - it's a legend. Not a single one will put such a button, you know.