Media: Russia can win the gas war from America

Exports of US gas, which is scheduled to begin in early spring, may lead to unexpected consequences for the US, and strengthen the position of the Russian Federation on the European market, writes Foreign Policy.

"For several years, past since the United States decided to enter the international gas market, the situation has changed radically," the article cites. RIA News. “In particular, the bright predictions about the insatiable demand for American gas in Asia have faded away.”

The price of gas fell after the price of oil and now does not cover the cost of liquefaction and transportation. “In addition, Asian gas demand was not so constantly growing. Japan, which needed this source of energy after the Fukushima accident, solved its problems, and the Chinese economy shows a slowdown in growth. In addition, China has many options to meet their gas needs, including through new contracts with Russia, ”the magazine notes.

The next blow to US plans in Asia was the launch of a gas project in Australia, which is much closer to the market.

“In these conditions Europe will be the only alternative for American companies, but even there it’s not so simple. There are terminals for receiving liquefied gas only in Western Europe, and Eastern Europe, which appears to be the main consumer, will have to extend new gas pipelines to the west, ”the newspaper writes.

“The new gas flow from the United States may have a paradoxical result and strengthen, rather than reduce, Europe’s dependence on Russia. Relatively cheap Russian gas is so attractive that it has already caused a split in Europe; for example, Germany seeks to build new pipelines and relies more on commercially available Russian gas, despite Brussels cries of the need to find alternative suppliers, ”the publication says.

According to the magazine, “if Gazprom continues to adapt, lower prices and change the style of doing business in Europe, it may well maintain its leading position for many decades, and this is exactly what Brussels has been trying to avoid for so many years.”

“Politically, such a strategy is necessary for the Kremlin, since it maintains the position of Russia as an energy partner of Europe and provides political influence,” the author of the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, James Henderson, quotes.

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[sa-ag]

Pf, we found someone to compete with, it is better with Iran, after the sanctions, he wants a lot of things, he already agrees with Boeing about airplanes and with China signs an agreement on nuclear power plants

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: sa-ag

found someone to compete with is better with Iran

Iran has no gas for export to Europe. And to Asia too. More precisely, they have gas - at least you eat some singing (one South Pars is worth it), but the transit infrastructure is absolutely not developed. They plan only to drag pipelines in the medium term.

[cniza]

Are energy wars waiting for us? A very real scenario, the Americans will not quickly calm down.

[bort4145]

In the comedy club there is a characteristic scene by Kharlamov and Batrutdinov "at the gas negotiations in Bulgaria"

We will leave and listen

[DIMA45R]

And here's another fun song
So here is RAS, AND NO ...

[Skif83]

And not only energy ... while the Twitter government and the liberals are in power.

[gg.na]

Sworn partners will be many more ways to try to come up with what would defeat our RUSSIA and put it in a squid pose. Yes, but I just think that they will tear the navel in this matter.

[Al_oriso]

Russia will not be left without buyers, but Europe with American gas will first climb into losses and only then return to Russia.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Iran has no gas for export to Europe.

Iran has a gas pipeline to Turkey, which, after the sanctions, prevents it from increasing its throughput, especially since the money thawed

[cniza]

Quote: sa-ag

Quote: Ami du peuple

Iran has no gas for export to Europe.

Iran has a gas pipeline to Turkey, which, after the sanctions, prevents it from increasing its throughput, especially since the money thawed

A look at Syria and will not be agreed soon.

[sa-ag]

Quote: cniza

A look at Syria and won't come to an agreement soon

And what about Syria, the Iranians supply gas to Turkey for domestic consumption, supply, Turkey helped them acquire gold during the sanctions, helped, they won’t break off business connections, for the sake of 300% of the profit from gas sales, they’ll easily look through their fingers, and with more justification, in case of a claim that with this money we can help you even more

[atalef]

Quote: cniza

Quote: sa-ag

Quote: Ami du peuple

Iran has no gas for export to Europe.

Iran has a gas pipeline to Turkey, which, after the sanctions, prevents it from increasing its throughput, especially since the money thawed

A look at Syria and will not be agreed soon.

Do not understand ? So are you for continuing the war in Syria?
it turns out an interesting fork
1. Russia is invested in the Syrian war, loans. bays weapons. and at best, get a gas pipeline from Iran to Europe.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: sa-ag

Iran has a gas pipeline to Turkey, which after sanctions prevents it from increasing its throughput

There is. But the reserves closest to the Turks deposits are not large. To multiply the supply of gas, it is necessary to pull the pipe from Pars, that is, across the country. And this is money and time.

[atalef]

Quote: sa-ag

Quote: Ami du peuple

Iran has no gas for export to Europe.

Iran has a gas pipeline to Turkey, which, after the sanctions, prevents it from increasing its throughput, especially since the money thawed

Nothing. Iran has already announced its plans to build another gas pipeline and enter the European market.

[Arktidianets]

To be more precise, with Airbus, Iran announced its intention to acquire 114 aircraft of this concern.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Arctidian

To be more precise, with Airbus,

Yes, yesterday they watched the news and, in addition to Airbus, they intend to purchase from Boeing, the total need for Iran is 400 aircraft

[Vadim237]

Iran needs airplanes that can be serviced abroad - which have a rich service base - our airplanes do not meet this requirement.

[Scoun]

Quote: sa-ag

found someone to compete with

Quote: sa-ag

already with China signs an agreement on nuclear power plants

I’ll insert my post from last week (((
South Korea Nuclear industry exports

http://data.trendeconomy.ru/trade / Korea / Export? period = 2014
11,0% (63 billion US $): 84 - Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; parts thereof

Russia exports to the nuclear industry ..

http://data.trendeconomy.ru/trade / Russia / Export? period = 2014
1,86% (9,27 billion US $): 84 - Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; parts thereof

And somehow, after Bushehr, Iran signed with China .... something a little fun and I am more than sure that part of the blame lies with our bureaucracy.
And Chubas at the Gaidar forum boasted that in 2015 we got (like an order) 6.4 yards of dollars in this sector ...

[atalef]

“In the several years that have passed since the United States decided to enter the international gas market, the situation has changed dramatically,” RIA Novosti quoted the article as saying. “In particular, the rosy forecasts of insatiable demand for American gas in Asia have come to naught.”

and Russian gas went to Yes?
These articles are not entirely clear to me.
first 3 years they blow that the shale revolution is bullshit. then the article appears. that Gazprom CAN win.
The word CAN. implies ambiguity. Yes maybe . or maybe not.
Although, based on all the propaganda, this situation generally didn’t have to be reached - after all, slate is bullshit and suddenly the question is not only about the struggle, but about the ambiguity of its results.

The next blow to US plans in Asia was the launch of a gas project in Australia, which is much closer to the market.

All this is wonderful. Australia will defeat the States. I certainly understand. that the bulk is very interested in how two of the famous Gonzilla merge in deadly ecstasy - the question is different, how will this affect Russian gas. the prospects and billions pumped in is unknown where. in full confidence that Russia is the only player in the gas market 7

According to the magazine, “if Gazprom continues to adapt, reduce prices and change the way it does business in Europe, it may well maintain its leading position for decades to come, which is exactly what Brussels has been trying to avoid for so many years.

here is that dog and aporya --- adapt prices.
But all the promising developments and contributions of billions to gas pipelines that bypass sworn friends will cost so much. that after the ADAPTATION of gas prices, profits from the sale of gas (I say profits since sales volume does not guarantee profits and therefore budget revenues) --- you can wait for years.
Gazprom, in the belief that gas prices are not volatile and its monopoly position, squandered tens of billions into unjustified projects. in political adventures. to stadiums and salaries for top managers (by the way, this also applies to Rosneft) but in the end it will be. that Europe will receive cheap gas. and the Russian budget - a zero yield on income.
the same with Iran - it was supported. sidelined preferences - and the result
airplanes - from the States and Europe.
Reactors from China.

[Samaritan]

Quote: atalef

“In the several years that have passed since the United States decided to enter the international gas market, the situation has changed dramatically,” RIA Novosti quoted the article as saying. “In particular, the rosy forecasts of insatiable demand for American gas in Asia have come to naught.”

and Russian gas went to Yes?
These articles are not entirely clear to me.
first 3 years they blow that the shale revolution is bullshit. then the article appears. that Gazprom CAN win.
The word CAN. implies ambiguity. Yes maybe . or maybe not.
Although, based on all the propaganda, this situation generally didn’t have to be reached - after all, slate is bullshit and suddenly the question is not only about the struggle, but about the ambiguity of its results.

The next blow to US plans in Asia was the launch of a gas project in Australia, which is much closer to the market.

All this is wonderful. Australia will defeat the States. I certainly understand. that the bulk is very interested in how two of the famous Gonzilla merge in deadly ecstasy - the question is different, how will this affect Russian gas. the prospects and billions pumped in is unknown where. in full confidence that Russia is the only player in the gas market 7

According to the magazine, “if Gazprom continues to adapt, reduce prices and change the way it does business in Europe, it may well maintain its leading position for decades to come, which is exactly what Brussels has been trying to avoid for so many years.

here is that dog and aporya --- adapt prices.
But all the promising developments and contributions of billions to gas pipelines that bypass sworn friends will cost so much. that after the ADAPTATION of gas prices, profits from the sale of gas (I say profits since sales volume does not guarantee profits and therefore budget revenues) --- you can wait for years.
Gazprom, in the belief that gas prices are not volatile and its monopoly position, squandered tens of billions into unjustified projects. in political adventures. to stadiums and salaries for top managers (by the way, this also applies to Rosneft) but in the end it will be. that Europe will receive cheap gas. and the Russian budget - a zero yield on income.
the same with Iran - it was supported. sidelined preferences - and the result
airplanes - from the States and Europe.
Reactors from China.

They mean Zenith - win!
Zenit is a champion!

[Not_invented]

How did the USA allow this? Fraternal Australia ... Putin's intrigues - not otherwise!

[Coconut Tima]

Russia can win any war against America. Only the subversive activities of the terrorist punitive battalion "Gaidar"

[tol100v]

Quote: Tim Coconuts

... Only the subversive activities of the terrorist punitive battalion "Gaidar"

Rather, "terrorist - inflammatory", for the punitive they have a ton of intestine!

[Primus pilus]

We must try to push through the northern stream 2.

[Kasym]

In my opinion, there is no need to push anything - build an alternative in the East! Put the EU on "starvation rations" - let them look for a cheap alternative. And see what happens. They themselves will give money, and signed papers from Brussels, and any route to choose from, and they will come up with a noose for transit countries. Iran and Qatar need 10 years to transport such volumes, one construction and coordination ... It will be more expensive with the USA, and this is unambiguous.
The eastern alternative provides a bunch of advantages - this is a trump card for bargaining, and get rid of euro-blackmail, etc. etc .. Judge for yourself: how much does the market in Japan, Korea, China and India cost at least? And let the EU think about its behavior. They only had to climb on the head of the Russian Federation on gas. According to their understanding, Nord Stream-1 (energy package) is half dry, Ukraine indulges in valves as it wants (it’s already the third gas. The war is on - it’s become a usual thing, but the Russian Federation loses money and contains an independent one), Bulgaria was stupidly forbidden to build, etc.
Why coddle with this Europe? From the side it looks like a whole comedy - only it’s left to climb on your head. And it’s time to take care of their gas supply - sometimes they sit without gas, but we heat this Europe.

[Kasym]

I would be in the place of Gazprom would be engaged ... in Japan. Kill two birds with one stone. I will explain a little. Gas consumption in Japan is 80 billion and 100% of imports of this raw material. Japan is ready to provide everything from finance to equipment. Even if we take 60 billion, they wanted so much to let it go along South or Nord Stream-2, and that's all at hand. There, to the Kuril Islands (and gas them, and Sakhalin) 40 km (if memory serves).
And about the hares: the Europeans and the Chinese are alarmed.
The first that the Kremlin put on Europe. And they can’t see gas, like their ears - they will put their energy packages there far away.
Second, you need to understand the eastern mentality and the millennial confrontation between Beijing and Tokyo. The PRC will be more agreeable in the negotiations - they will also begin to take offense. Although they themselves would have done the same at Gazprom’s place. And the trade turnover between China and Japan is huge - how can one explain one’s interest in the gas pipeline.
Yes, and Abe seeks to meet with GDP primarily not because of the Kuril Islands (this is rather the inner cuisine of Tokyo), but because of the interest in the Russian Federation as a peacemaker and energy supplier (Fukushima probably remember the attitude of the Japanese towards nuclear power plants - the islands are small all the same, but a lot of people). Peacemaker, because with all neighbors relations are bad and heated. An energy supplier - everything is clear here, dragging LNG from Qatar or, here, from Sakhalin.
Therefore, I think that Tokyo is now preferable for Gazprom. And the interest in Japan is huge - it can replace many European companies. Electronics, mechanical engineering, machine tools, etc. Abe needs at least some success. And trade with the Russian Federation can give a boost to the entire economy of the country. And the Americans will not be able to block the gas issue in Japan (they have already made it clear), so Tokyo can declare its "interests". Business in Japan is based on clannishness (nepotism) and has a huge impact on the government. and parliament.
And this is just the Japanese market.

[Barakuda]

Who knows? What's really going on with Power of Siberia? And then you won't understand, then they recruit hard workers, then they slowed down ..

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Russia can win America not only a gas war.

[voyaka uh]

The gas market will change dramatically in the next few years.

The world's largest gas liquefaction plant, which the Americans are building shock
in Australia will work on more modern technologies than the factory
in Qatar. The cost and price of liquefied gas will decrease.
Liquefied gas terminals are being built across Europe.

Gas pipelines will lose strategic importance. There will always be an opportunity
bring down the price, showing filled liquefied gas storage.

[Barakuda]

To do this, you need to ward off the factory - vablo
Then "liquefy" it - wablo
Then cross the devil knows where- wablo
It's just that the "pipe" is cheaper, however, if the policy is not taken into account.

[atalef]

Quote: Barracuda

To do this, you need to ward off the factory - vablo

It is cheaper by an order. than gas pipelines

Quote: Barracuda

Then "liquefy" it - wablo
Then cross the devil knows where- wablo
It's just that the "pipe" is cheaper, however, if the policy is not taken into account.

The result is one - an alternative. and it leads only to one thing - the price reduction by the monopolist (which we see)
They wrote the same thing about shale oil - we see the result
why do you think. that capitalists know how to count money worse than in Russia?

[Barakuda]

Even better. Everything is just there, except for money. If at the moment it is profitable, even if it is more expensive, then go ahead. Profit is the main thing. And again, the political component. Is Russia an unreliable partner? Is there war, dictatorship, mass unrest?
If I suppose an alkanaut, and my neighbor moonshine drives 25, but I do not like his cat, and go to the next block for a bottle, where 30, but he has a good dog.
So it is with gas. An alternative? Yes, I think so.

[atalef]

Quote: Barracuda

even better. Everything is just there, except for money. If at the moment it is profitable, even if it is more expensive, then go ahead. Profit is the main thing.

in economics, yes. Otherwise bankrupt

Quote: Barracuda

And again, the political component. Russia what, unreliable partner

I do not know the most interesting and you do not know.
on a huge number of projects there are complaints, there is when reliable - this issue requires specifics

Quote: Barracuda

If I suppose an alkanaut, and my neighbor moonshine drives 25, but I do not like his cat, and go to the next block for a bottle, where 30, but he has a good dog.

judging by this post. you really love moonshine shopping mall i. understood nothing

Quote: Barracuda

So it is with gas. An alternative? Yes, I think so.

Unscramble

[gg.na]

Quote: voyaka uh

The world's largest gas liquefaction plant, which the Americans are building shock
in Australia will work on more modern technologies than the factory
in Qatar. Cost and price of liquefied gas will decrease

That's when they build ..., that's when they start to liquefy ..., but as soon as they begin to deliver-i-yaaaaat, then we’ll see ! And now we are trying to share the skin of a dead bear!

[Nikolay K]

That's right, what to guess! According to the old Russian tradition, until a thunder strikes, a man crosses himself.

[rotmistr60]

if Gazprom continues to adapt, cut prices and change the way it does business in Europe, it may well maintain its leading position for decades to come

The keyword is "lower prices." Such an unobtrusive nudge of Gazprom towards the "blue dream of Europe" - a lot of gas and for nothing. It seems that Gazprom has smart specialists who plan the economic policy of this structure.

[sisa29]

If Gazprom cuts prices, then what kind of bucket cleaners will buy 2 million bags?

[Suhov]

Quote: sisa29

If Gazprom cuts prices, then what kind of bucket cleaners will buy 2 million bags?

Gazprom will lower "external" prices, and "internal" prices will raise "voi la":
the cleaning lady has a new bag, "not cheap" than the old one.

[Denis Skiff]

Exports of US gas, which is scheduled to begin in early spring, may lead to unexpected consequences for the US, and strengthen the position of the Russian Federation on the European market, writes Foreign Policy.

FSA invested in 23 of the year, when 23 of the year came to Ukraine with weapons in the hands of mercenaries. everyone knows what Gazprom invested in. Dreams Come True.

[Gormenghast]

U.S. LNG exports were initially largely a political project.

[atalef]

Quote: Gormengast

U.S. LNG exports were initially largely a political project.

Are gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine commercial?

[Nikolay K]

If we consider the prospect of increasing rates for transit through Ukraine, then Nord Stream is quite a commercially profitable project

[atalef]

Quote: Nikolai K

If we consider the prospect of increasing rates for transit through Ukraine, then Nord Stream is quite a commercially profitable project

Can I do it in tsifirki?
North P - 2 --- 11 billion bucks

Ukraine receives more than $ 100 million a month for gas transit from Russia to Europe. The First Deputy Minister of Energy and Coal Industry Igor Didenko told reporters about this.

i.e. 1.2 billion per year. taking into account that deliveries will remain at the same level.
But the entire gas transmission system is serving Ukraine.
based on these figures - only the payback of the SP-2 pipe is a minimum of 10 years, but do not forget. that any gas pipeline including underwater. requires maintenance and checks. those. these costs will fall on Gazprom.
What am I talking about. any project with a payback period of more than 7 -8 years. already problematic.
Here, these numbers do not even smell.
Refute?

[Fat]

Quote: atalef

Refute?

You are welcome. "Deal of the century" gas-pipes ", the contract of the century" gas-pipes "- a long-term agreement (international contract) in 1970 between the Soviet Union and the Federal Republic of Germany on the supply to the USSR of large-diameter pipes and other equipment for the construction of a gas pipeline to Western Europe with a payment for the supplied pipes and equipment with gas from the fields of Western Siberia. It received this name due to the fact that it was the largest in the history of the Soviet-German / Russian-German and Soviet-European / Russian-European agreements, involving decades of cooperation. "- wiki
The gas pipeline itself was not built in one year, and then the pipes and equipment were paid for with the same gas "for more than a dozen years"
In our situation, the currency is "almost immediately"

[Woodman]

And in the photo Miller? .. He didn’t recognize ... Did he grow stout, or what?

[Air Force captain]

Quote: Lesovik

And in the photo Miller? .. He didn’t recognize ... Did he grow stout, or what?

Ohrenel he .....

[barclay]

Crazed his cleaners!
Police investigators in the Moskovsky district opened a case regarding the theft of a crocodile bag worth 300 thousand rubles from an SUV of cleaning lady Maria P. The incident occurred in New Moscow in the parking lot of the Rumyantsevo business center.
A woman found the door of her car, which was in the parking lot at the entrance to the business center, open. It is noteworthy that the robbers carried out an expensive bag of the famous Dior fashion house in just 3 minutes while the car was standing in front of the building. Together with the bag, a purse made of crocodile leather, bank cards and documents were stolen from a 44-year-old cleaning lady at the PJSC Gazprom office premises. /lifenews.ru/news/179413
So who is "gas war", and who is his mother.

[Armored optimist]

How much can you button up ?! Everyone already knows that there was an ordinary aunt with an ordinary wallet. and she worried not for the bag, but for the 15tr that lay in it.

[Nikolay K]

Well, yes, an ordinary cleaning lady who drives hardwood floors. In our country, such in bulk.

[Vadim237]

And in what he fucked up?

[Nikolay K]

No, just snickering.

[Arktidianets]

Quote: Lesovik

And in the photo Miller? .. He didn’t recognize ... Did he grow stout, or what?

From hunger swells, the price of gas fell, the treasury receives less

[zoknyay82]

All the thoughts of our government are to draw in as much natural resources as possible at any price. At this time, the United States receives cheap electricity from cheap oil and develops industrial production, transfers plants from Southeast Asia and reduces unemployment. We need to think not only about Nord Stream 2 but also about the construction of thermal power plants, gasification of the population and production at low prices, lower gas prices than raise the real sector of the economy.

[sa-ag]

Quote: zoknyay82

We need to think not only about Nord Stream 2

Let's say it was built and put into operation, but, it will again be half full as now Nord Stream-1, according to European Union law, you get one Nord stream at a price of two

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: zoknyay82

Need to think

This is a key phrase .. why think? you have to jump .. (joke)

[your1970]

1) At this time, the United States receives cheap electricity from cheap oil
2) and are developing industrial production,
3) Transfer factories from Southeast Asia and reduce unemployment
You hear yourself - apparently not ..
Of cheap oil, cheap electricity is possible. The only question that arises is how long oil sellers are willing to pay 0,5 dollars for taking oil from them without closing wells / production / dismissal of oil workers.
I won’t be surprised if the US oil lobby is pushing all the buttons so that the price rises a little. There are no fools who want to keep hard workers for a penny — there are trade unions and other capitalist crap.
And then everything, as usual, transfer the plants to Southeast Asia and reduce unemployment (in Asia).

[zoknyay82]

I advise you to get information from different sources, and not to shut up on the news and the first channel I hear! Spit on the oil lobby and go to the nearest village - you won’t be disappointed IT IS NECESSARY TO REVIVE ITS INDUSTRY, AND NOT STUPIDLY LOOK AT THE WEST.

[nemec55]

And I don’t understand that these rams in Europe are so opposed to the "Nord Stream

Rams ??? Well, well, you reassure yourself ??? Ours with this pipe still did not perry through the northern Arctic and Indian, and the result is one "Rams" do not give us anywhere to realize our capabilities (Wishlist). Any attempts are broken off at the root.
An interesting fact: Gazprom is two or three times cheaper than Alibaba EPT.

[QWERTY]

And who evaluated? After all, there is an amazing rating system. Here's the logic - what is Alibaba? Just a bunch of servers. And who needs it at all? Now they love useless bullshit to evaluate billions ....

[nemec55]

And who evaluated? After all, there is an amazing rating system. Here's the logic - what is Alibaba? Just a bunch of servers. And who needs it at all? Now they love to useless bullshit to evaluate in billions.

Quite right, and I'm talking about the same, but it’s not easier for us because we live anyway according to the rules of the sharpie

[VNP1958PVN]

Baltic and Ukraine and enough gas fug. Russia is all worse!

[Fitter65]

Quote: voyaka uh

The gas market will change dramatically in the next few years.

Of course, of course, the whole world benefited us here as the United States three years ago with its shale gas, using new technologies, so that by 2014 there will be no place to sell our gas, fart, it’s not grown together. Now we’ll fill it with new technologies all storage facilities with liquefied gas, and again Gazprom with its gas will go around the world restless, well, take it from me ... Well, well.

[do]

Pipe gas will always be out of competition.

[marder4]

look at the consequences - not long left

[marl]

“Under these conditions, the only alternative for American companies will be Europe, but even there it is not so simple. There are terminals for receiving liquefied gas only in Western Europe, and Eastern Europe, which seems to be the main consumer, will have to stretch new gas pipelines to the west ”

So about this two years ago it was known that there was a problem with the terminals for receiving there. The states don't care. Europe main should buy gas from the United States, not from the Russian Federation. What then to do with it is not important, even if it is standing in tankers, waiting in the wings. A purely political issue.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

That is, Lithuania was building the terminal in vain, and the American gas carriers could not wait for ukroin ???. Oblom !!!

[Michael67]

The headline "Russia can win the gas war over America" ​​is not correct. The correct title is "Russia will win the gas war over America."

[Flat5160]

Give me the gas, America! We have less fuel consumption!

[skrabplus.ru]

Quote: DIMA45R

And here's another fun song
So here is RAS, AND NO ...

this eared type infuriates me at all, BUT the song is good, vital! THX!