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Media: in the Syrian conflict, Turkey will be the main loser

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Prospects for negotiations on the Syrian issue in Geneva are still vague, but the winners and losers are already visible, Turkey may be the main one, says Independent newspaper columnist Patrick Kokburn.




According to Cockburn, “the problem of ending the war in Syria and Iraq is that there are too many participants who are“ too strong to lose, and too weak to win. ”For example,“ Iran and ”Hezbollah believe that victories in this war depend on their very existence, while Saudi Arabia and Turkey have invested too much to refuse the removal of Bashar al-Assad, ”the author writes.

“Turkey can be a failure, despite the fact that in 2011, its potential to expand its influence in the Middle East seemed so great. The image of an economically prosperous, democratic, albeit Islamic state attracted protesting Arabs who sought to overthrow and replace the dictatorial regime. But it soon became clear that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was supporting a Sunni coup directed against Shiites, Kurds and secular society. Having supported the Muslim Brotherhood first, Turkey subsequently began to tolerate or help the IG, Dzhebhat an-Nusre (both are banned in Russia) and other extremist jihadist groups ", - quotes browser RIA News.

"Contrary to his dreams of reviving the greatness of Turkey, Erdogan has achieved exactly the opposite," writes Cockburn. According to him, the reaction of Ankara to the failure of its policy "will become clear soon, as the US and Russia will try to close the border between Syria and Turkey."

“President Erdogan will either accept the fact that Turkey will be pushed aside from the north of Syria, or he will strengthen Turkish military participation and, possibly, invade Syria,” the author predicts.

According to a columnist citing Turkish commentators, "Erdogan intended to invade a neighboring country last year, but he was prevented by the army top." Now, the full-scale invasion of Turkish troops into Syria seems even less likely: “it will meet the US disapproval and Russian resistance aviation and anti-aircraft systems, ”concludes Cockburn.
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 25 January 2016 08: 58
    25
    Erdogan-dong got it. Betrayal comes at a price; for the Turks, this is the destruction of statehood. A third of the country will become independent Kurdistan. Ararat will also be returned.
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 25 January 2016 09: 07
      32
      Got Game? He was ousted or Turkey suffered a military defeat? while only demagoguery is pleasant to our ears. Alas.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 25 January 2016 09: 16
        +2
        Erdogan is simply a stupid, not far-sighted, religiously-minded fascist Turkish nationalist politician and a super-greedy international business raider on oil stolen from Syria and Iraq.
        All bad things come to an end. He needs to come to terms with this and not arrange a bloody slaughter in the region.
        1. Onotollah
          Onotollah 25 January 2016 09: 53
          25
          Quote: Tatiana
          Erdogan is simply a stupid, not far-sighted, religiously-minded fascist Turkish nationalist politician

          For those who are in the tank: A person who has been on the top of the political Olympus for the last 15 years, cannot be stupid and short-sighted by definition for more than 20 years in the highest echelons of government. Again for those who are in the tank: I'm talking about Erdogan.
          A very stupid and dangerous tendency to underestimate potential opponents.
          1. Nick
            Nick 25 January 2016 10: 29
            +2
            Quote: Onotolle
            For those who are in the tank: A person who has been on the top of the political Olympus for the last 15 years, cannot be stupid and short-sighted by definition for more than 20 years in the highest echelons of government. Again for those who are in the tank: I'm talking about Erdogan.

            For those who are unfamiliar with Russian folklore, I inform you, and there is a hole in the old woman ...
          2. cniza
            cniza 25 January 2016 10: 32
            +4
            A person who has been at the top of the political Olympus for the last 15 years, for more than 20 years in the high echelons of state power, cannot be stupid and short-sighted by definition. Again for those who are in the tank: I'm talking about Erdogan.
            A very stupid and dangerous tendency to underestimate potential opponents.





            Yes, you are right, but it seems that you overestimated your capabilities and lost your attitude.

            1. Talgat
              Talgat 25 January 2016 11: 07
              +2
              and I think. that each side tried to play for their own benefit. and as in any game, game - or battle - the result was difficult to predict

              Turkey played against Iran with Hezbollah. Russia and Syria. And maybe it won’t reach the goals

              I agree that for Iran and Hezbollah the stakes are generally prohibitive - their very existence - therefore, they and Assad will fight together to the brink

              On the second stage, Russia and all the Caspian republics understand. Iran will fall, which closes the Caspian Sea by itself - and the aggressor will pass into the heart of the continent

              Therefore, the support of Iran at all levels - just to stay. First of all, the Russian Federation, then the KZ and even earlier than the Russian Federation in terms of time (for example, the construction and launch of the railway - breaking the blockade) and even for example Turkmenistan, which allowed Kazakhstan to lay the railway to Iran on its territory.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 25 January 2016 15: 45
                0
                Quote: Talgat
                On the second stage, Russia and all the Caspian republics understand. Iran will fall, which closes the Caspian Sea by itself - and the aggressor will pass into the heart of the continent

                And how interesting is the IG to be held in the Republic of Azerbaijan?
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 26 January 2016 18: 39
                  0
                  I didn’t mean "IS paper tiger"

                  and the real aggressors, who have recently "blown their roofs off" - are bombing one country after another,
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 28 January 2016 16: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Talgat
                    and the real aggressors, who have recently "blown their roofs off" - are bombing one country after another,

                    Is it that the USA was going to bomb Azerbaijan ???
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          4. Vita vko
            Vita vko 25 January 2016 11: 11
            +2
            Quote: Onotolle
            dangerous tendency to underestimate probable opponents

            An equally dangerous trend is the support of fools in power. Many of whom would have long been in prison in their countries for corruption crimes and genocide.
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 January 2016 12: 59
            +3
            Quote: Onotolle
            I'm talking about Erdogan.

            I believe that the loser in this story will be Erdogan personally, and not the whole of Turkey. In fact, the split of Turkey into several autonomies is not very beneficial either for us or the United States. Another focus of tension in the Middle East will not add optimism to anyone. And given the fact that Turkey is the main US ally in this region, I come to the conclusion that Washington is also not at hand (although seeing what mattresses do with their allies, one can expect anything).
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 25 January 2016 10: 07
          11
          Quote: Tatiana
          Erdogan is simply a stupid, not far-sighted, religiously-minded fascist Turkish nationalist politician and a super-greedy international business raider on oil stolen from Syria and Iraq.

          You shouldn’t be so, Erdogan is not yet a played map of the USA, we would like to be tamed for a long time, so far they give him free liberty. If tomorrow Erdogan and his troops occupy part of Syria, we (Russia) cannot do anything there, no matter how pathetically and proudly we look at the video of the bombing and how strong our VKS located there do not seem.
          Compared to the regular army of Turkey, equipped with nothing worse than our armed forces, given the number of air defense and aviation, they may well declare the occupied part of Syria a no-fly space. The United States will say that it’s not their business, they will leave the Syrians and us with the Turks to understand - will we fight and how will we fight? And if Iran comes up, so for the United States this is generally grace.
          Are you hoping for a fleet? - Useless. In the Mediterranean, our ships are carved like squirrel nuts. There is no land border, landing through Iran is quite difficult by land transport, and the airborne forces must be seriously supported by heavy weapons (artillery and tanks).
          They are occupying part of Syria, they will break up the Syrian army, but they will not touch ours - what arguments will we have for a serious answer? We do not have an agreement on joint defense.
          In general, there are many questions - there are very few answers.
        3. Maxom75
          Maxom75 25 January 2016 11: 23
          +1
          His end is not far, he is a cancer patient. That's the fact that he raised the dense, wild, medieval interpretation of Islam to the level of national ideology - this is bad. All these poorly educated marginals got out. Modern peace-loving Islam has nothing to do with these savages, but Erdogan is closer.
        4. WKS
          WKS 25 January 2016 11: 33
          +1
          If this friendly Erdogan draws Turkish ground troops into the Syrian conflict, then one should think about the possibility of creating an "independent" state of Constantinople or Byzantium around the Sea of ​​Marmara and the Straits.
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 25 January 2016 09: 21
        +9
        Quote: sisa29
        Got Game? He was ousted or Turkey suffered a military defeat? while only demagoguery is pleasant to our ears. Alas.

        Yes, dear, it’s just that in sharing the pie in Iraq and Syria, Erdogan will just be kicked in the ass by the same mattresses, he’s too much. From here, and all the articles are in the Western press. hi
      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 25 January 2016 09: 22
        +8
        Quote: sisa29
        Got Game? He was ousted or Turkey suffered a military defeat?

        When finally finish play - he will be hanged. The fact that he, after coming to power, pressed the military, he still comes around. The generals will not forgive the political defeat of Turkey and arrange another military coup. In the end, Erdogan trampled upon the Ataturk Constitution, in which the army was the guarantor of the neo-Ottomans and Islamists not returning to power. Will answer for it. It seems in the near future.
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 25 January 2016 09: 37
          11
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          The fact that he, after coming to power, pressed the military, he still comes around. The generals will not forgive the political defeat of Turkey and arrange another military coup.

          And this all goes, remember the recent events in Egypt, first the Muslim brothers threw off Hosni Mubarak, then the Muslim brothers, as a result of the military coup, the current leadership of Egypt is thrown off, so that Turkey, led by Erdogan, is confidently following the Egyptian path. hi
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 25 January 2016 10: 10
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Will answer for it. It seems in the near future.

          ... not earlier than the SciSiA will give the go-ahead, while Perdogan plays on their side.
        3. sisa29
          sisa29 25 January 2016 22: 11
          0
          I totally agree with you. And of course I want to answer as soon as possible, but unfortunately he is still in the center of the game, therefore, he has not played enough. Who knows how life will turn further and what are the plans for Erdogan in the white house. And the fact that until recently Ataturk was almost a deity in Turkey, we still remember the cult of Lenin and our vows of allegiance to his work.
      4. VeteranS
        VeteranS 25 January 2016 09: 32
        +1
        So far, only Erdogan suffers losses from his oil business with Daesh, Turkey has already lost the profitable resort segment of its economy, and the reaction of the Arab countries to its illegal invasion of Iraq is not in its favor ... In Syria, it has definitely lost in its desire to remove Assad at all costs ... Kurds will soon declare a full-scale civil war to Erdogan .... By the way, the holy Athos elders predicted the return of Constantinople (Istanbul) to the fold of Orthodoxy and the collapse of the Turkish state.
      5. atalef
        atalef 25 January 2016 10: 15
        +6
        Quote: sisa29
        Got Game? He was ousted or Turkey suffered a military defeat? while only demagoguery is pleasant to our ears. Alas.

        Generally Erdogan. absolutely inadequate politician. managed to lose all Turkish authority and allies. Turkey will still sorrow with him. And these consequences will be communicated for a long time.
        Well, in general. The main victim of the conflict in Syria is Syria itself. This country will never be the same again. and I’m pretty sure it won’t be united.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 25 January 2016 11: 08
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          . and I’m pretty sure it won’t be united.


          And here you can argue. Syria may come to a federal structure within the pre-war borders if external players make consolidated constructive decisions. But if the efforts of the United States and the CA are aimed at dismembering the state and supporting radical groups, then quite a lot of blood will be shed and the prospects for peace on this long-suffering land will be very foggy. As for the Turkish intervention, at this stage it (IMHO) is very doubtful, even taking into account the great-power ambitions of Erdogan and his nukers, but in the future I do not exclude that Turkey will constantly spoil under the Syrian door, as well as Israel, which has a strong Syria. We’ll see, time will put everything on the shelves. yes
          1. atalef
            atalef 25 January 2016 11: 24
            +3
            Quote: Lelek
            And here you can argue. Syria may come to a federal structure within the pre-war borders,

            Federated device on BV?
            You probably laughed. these federations are divided into separate states the next day. and this axiom of shopping mall there will be no way to create a central government holding these federations together.
            Quote: Lelek
            if external players make consolidated design decisions.

            Well, yes, and how will they force 70% of Sunnis to live in peace and harmony with the Alawites? After all that was 7
            How will the parliament, president, defense minister be chosen. head of the Central Bank?
            By religion (as in Lebanon?) - and who can even call Lebanon a state?
            In Syria, everything will be much worse.
            Quote: Lelek
            As for the Turkish intervention, at this stage it (IMHO) is very doubtful, even taking into account the great-power ambitions of Erdogan and his nukers, but in the future I do not exclude that Turkey will constantly spoil under the Syrian door,

            Of course, she has her own interests in Syria and no one can influence this.
            Quote: Lelek
            but like Israel, which has a strong Syria

            Israel doesn't give a damn and the news about Syria is in our news (I think 0 less than 1% of the news in the Russian media.
            Why? because . that we really understand what is happening there and will be.
            Do we need strong Syria? Stupid question.
            As stupid as if I asked you, do you need a strong Ukraine.
            Quote: Lelek
            We’ll see, time will put everything on the shelves.

            Yes already arranged. it’s just left to take places on these shelves.
        2. sisa29
          sisa29 25 January 2016 22: 23
          0
          I agree with you! At the expense of inadequacy, I think so. And the most serious things are yet to come.
      6. Nick
        Nick 25 January 2016 10: 25
        +2
        Quote: sisa29
        Got Game? He was ousted or Turkey suffered a military defeat? while only demagoguery is pleasant to our ears. Alas.

        So far, these assumptions can be called intermediate conclusions based on an analysis of the current situation. Forecast, in a word. hi
        1. sisa29
          sisa29 25 January 2016 22: 26
          0
          Thank you, in this situation your clarification "interim conclusions" is most appropriate
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 January 2016 09: 08
      12
      God forbid, God forbid that they would pinch a Turkish dog, but this reptile can and still spoil.
    3. meriem1
      meriem1 25 January 2016 09: 09
      +7
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Erdogan-dong got it. Betrayal comes at a price; for the Turks, this is the destruction of statehood. A third of the country will become independent Kurdistan. Ararat will also be returned.

      Return ARARAT to the Armenians, not bad at all !!!
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    5. SSR
      SSR 25 January 2016 09: 10
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Erdogan-dong ..

      Still, it pleases that the donation of Erdogan Don is recognized by most people.
    6. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 25 January 2016 09: 42
      +2
      Only Syria will be united!
      Kurds (Syrian) form their autonomy in Syria.
      We'll see ...
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 25 January 2016 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: Mihalich17
        Only Syria will be united!
        Kurds (Syrian) form their autonomy in Syria.
        We'll see ...

        It would be a good solution if the Kurds got part of the Syrian and part of the Turkish territory. However, one should not underestimate Erdogan. He is capable of much.
      2. atalef
        atalef 25 January 2016 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Mihalich17
        Only Syria will be united!
        Kurds (Syrian) form their autonomy in Syria.
        We'll see ...

        So the Kurds - autonomy, and the Sunnis (most). what ?
        and the Alawites (15%) - how?
        and the Druze? Well, with the Druze just the easiest.
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    8. Nick
      Nick 25 January 2016 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      A third of the country will become independent Kurdistan. Ararat will also be returned.

      And Constantinople ...
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 25 January 2016 09: 05
    +1
    Narkash Erdogan is the same stubborn drunk YELTSIN ... except that he doesn’t twist zugugolins ...
    absolutely unable to predict the worsening situation in the country.
    1. SSR
      SSR 25 January 2016 09: 07
      +2
      Yeltsin did not imprison the military in batches and did not imprison teachers for critical "tweets".
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 25 January 2016 09: 10
        +4
        Yeltsin did not imprison the military in batches and did not imprison teachers for critical "tweets".


        That's right ... he threw the military into the open field outside ... whatever you want and survive.
        And critical teachers were instantly unemployed.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 25 January 2016 10: 16
        +5
        Quote: SSR
        Yeltsin did not imprison the military in batches and did not imprison teachers for critical "tweets"

        Well yes, good was alkanaut, I didn’t drink my own, nationwide.
  3. Taygerus
    Taygerus 25 January 2016 09: 07
    +2
    For the fact that we fought for it and ran into it, but we could live in peace and prosper, let them say thanks to Phashington
  4. silver169
    silver169 25 January 2016 09: 09
    +2
    Yes, it’s dangerous to conduct experiments in your own country. The history of Erdogan has not taught anything and now he will have to take a full cup of the consequences of his crazy projects.
  5. with
    with 25 January 2016 09: 14
    +3
    The redistribution of the Middle East was not started by Turkey. Not the Turks hung Hussein and scoffed at Gaddafi. But for some reason, Erdogan and the sheikhs decided that they would feast (or someone carefully persuaded them). But they are on banquet at the hegemon - for sweets. Squeezing everyone dry is the law of capitalism. Read the fairy tale "Dunno on the Moon". Mr. Krupps is still eating Turkey and sweeping away the lascivious sheikhs from the map of the world, because in essence it is cheaper to keep warlords (Daesh, Kurds, "moderate") on the territory of the Earth than any state of the Saudis or Turks. And there are no state borders for them - the Pentagon announces the creation of a base in Syria, where no one invited him!
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 January 2016 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: met
      The redistribution of the Middle East was not started by Turkey

      Of course, it was remade by France and England at the beginning and then the middle of the last century.
      Quote: met
      Turkey. Not the Turks hung Hussein and mocked Gaddafi.

      None of the two are BV countries
      1. with
        with 25 January 2016 16: 49
        0
        atalef, you know very well who started the current redistribution of the world (thanks for giving a link to the affairs of bygone days, as a withdrawal from the essence of the matter). Daesh occupied part of Iraq and Syria. Which of them is not BV? Saddam has nothing to do with BV? Just one state with an area of ​​14 t.km2 also jackals the Golan Heights with an eye to more. hi
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 January 2016 09: 19
    +3
    And in general this Turkey is not a pity ...
    If even our stupid tourists hadn’t smuggled in through Belarus.
  7. Mera joota
    Mera joota 25 January 2016 09: 25
    +2
    Media: in the Syrian conflict, Turkey will be the main loser

    Here it is necessary to separate. The people of Turkey will lose, that's for sure, but Erdogan will win, his power will be strengthened and the fact that he will not give up power to anyone is already 100% clear, he will also add his son as heirs ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 January 2016 09: 53
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      will not give power to anyone

      If Erdogan enjoyed the unconditional support of at least half of the army top, that would be so; but this odd guy set up his army against himself in such a way that repeating the Egyptian script in Turkey is only a matter of time ...
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 January 2016 11: 19
      +3
      Erdogan is supported by an illiterate village. In Istanbul, he has almost
      zero support. This is generally typical of Islamist leaders.
      Same thing in Iran. Ayatollah regime is supported by the village, and Tehran’s population would
      long ago sent "to the dustbin of history."
      1. Arbogast
        Arbogast 25 January 2016 23: 16
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Erdogan is supported by an illiterate village. He has almost zero support in Istanbul
        You will laugh, but you will already notice the obvious, long-asking parallels between the regimes of Putin and Erdo.
        And it was in Moscow, if we recall the most ambitious demonstrations of the "swamp liberals" in the country. Well, the largest support for the GDP rate falls on the outback of the Russian Federation, but ... lol
        1. ibirus
          ibirus 26 January 2016 01: 32
          0
          You might think that in the outback live uneducated savages. It smells of metropolitan chauvinism.
      2. ibirus
        ibirus 26 January 2016 01: 35
        0
        Explain what you mean by "illiterate village"?
  8. Brutal
    Brutal 25 January 2016 09: 26
    +1
    "... the resistance of Russian aviation and anti-aircraft systems ..."
    I would like to believe that hot and, at the same time, frostbitten Turkish guys are aware of such a potential scenario! This is a direct clash. I really don't want to say the word "war"!
  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 25 January 2016 09: 31
    0
    "Contrary to his dreams of reviving the greatness of Turkey, Erdogan has achieved exactly the opposite."

    Those who wanted to become dictators, such as Erdogan, always ended up badly in the end. Figures with such exorbitant ambitions always ended up in the grave.
  10. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 25 January 2016 09: 33
    0
    The support of terrorists, no matter who it is, a priori can not be beneficial.
  11. Dam
    Dam 25 January 2016 09: 39
    0
    It is very bad when ambition does not coincide with opportunities
  12. JD1979
    JD1979 25 January 2016 09: 50
    +1
    Quote: meriem1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Erdogan-dong got it. Betrayal comes at a price; for the Turks, this is the destruction of statehood. A third of the country will become independent Kurdistan. Ararat will also be returned.

    Return ARARAT to the Armenians, not bad at all !!!


    Let the Armenians put their hands on it. Russia has not yet received one of the states that received land from it and actually exist by its will, thank you.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 January 2016 09: 56
      +1
      Armenia will not pull two conflicts (Karabakh + Ararat), so the return of Mount Ararat is not a very near future.
  13. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 January 2016 10: 05
    0
    Do not dig another hole - you will fall into it yourself. And then the skin of the Turkish tiger will become someone's rug.
  14. rus-5819
    rus-5819 25 January 2016 10: 22
    0
    "President Erdogan will either put up with the fact that Turkey will be pushed out of northern Syria, or it will strengthen Turkish military participation and may invade Syria,"

    As for the "pushing back" it is quite plausible, because against the backdrop of the successes of the Syrian army, Daishevites are fleeing in droves to their native land - Turkey.

    The invasion of the Turkish army into Syria is very problematic for the Turks, because not only the aerospace forces and missile defense of Russia, but also already sufficiently battle-hardened, catching the courage of victories, the Syrian army will stand in the way of the Turkish aggressors. And this is a concrete set-up for the "dark ruler of the world" and others like him.
    1. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 25 January 2016 10: 57
      0
      Quote: rus-5819
      The invasion of the Turkish army into Syria is very problematic for the Turks, because not only the aerospace forces and missile defense of Russia, but also already sufficiently battle-hardened, catching the courage of victories, the Syrian army will stand in the way of the Turkish aggressors. And this is a concrete set-up for the "dark ruler of the world" and others like him.



      Well, why else are they doing provocations with "shelling of Turkish territory"?
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  16. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 25 January 2016 10: 26
    +7
    Well, who else will be the main loser in the Syrian mix, time will tell. And Turkey, as it seems to me, is the main "flown". As a product of the woodworking industry over the capital of a European state. Because of one stupid move (SU-24), Erdogan lost everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor. Turkey has been declared a country supporting terrorism. Even the best friends have disowned (at least officially). Turkish aviation inside the (Syrian) border is locked. After the end of the mess in Syria, the Turks will have nothing to catch. No one will call to share the pie. Kurdish activity is growing. Territorial losses are quite possible (or a war for them with unpredictable results). The tourists have moved out. Tomatoes are rotting. A trifle, but unpleasant. The free oil is slowly but surely blocked. Shaitans from IS and others partially settle in Turkey. It is a matter of time when they show themselves. In short, the problems are above the roof. And all because instead of cutting coupons quietly with the approval (or tacit consent) of a partner like Russia, Erdogan decided to take a piss upwind (I mean the attack on our SU-24). As a result, he has what he has. But he did what he wanted. This whole situation once again emphasizes that a politician should not be guided by personal ambitions, but think about the consequences of his actions and calculate the options for the development of events. Especially when I decided to play political chess with a former, but still a real KGB colonel.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 25 January 2016 12: 06
      0
      Speak the truth, colleague.
  17. vic58
    vic58 25 January 2016 10: 37
    0
    Unfortunately, the "bald eagle" is losing! The war on BV will not end ... "It's a pity for the bird!" hi
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 January 2016 11: 10
    0
    Turkey may turn out to be a loser

    I really wanted it to be so. And Erdogan received in full from his own people, among whom there are a lot of people dissatisfied with his policies and repressive methods. He deserved it.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 25 January 2016 11: 21
      0
      if Turkey turns into a second Iraq, little will not seem to anyone. So, for us it is better either a military coup, (very fast), or a constitutional bias, (long and tedious)
  19. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 25 January 2016 12: 03
    0
    Quote: BRUTAL
    "... the resistance of Russian aviation and anti-aircraft systems ..."
    I would like to believe that hot and, at the same time, frostbitten Turkish guys are aware of such a potential scenario! This is a direct clash. I really don't want to say the word "war"!


    They will invade Syria, start slaughtering Assad’s troops, grab a piece of territory to create a buffer zone, and tell our people that we did not quarrel with you, we are not at war with you, these are our long-standing disputes and internal affairs with Syria. The international community will say - well, uh, hmmm ... Americans and NATO will say - these are the affairs of Turkey, we have nothing to do with them, but we won’t give Turkey an insult. And how ours will behave, I do not know. But one must be prepared for everything, including such a development of events.
  20. Rash
    Rash 25 January 2016 14: 20
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    and they will tell ours - we didn’t quarrel with you,


    But ours quarreled with them for the downed SU-24.
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2016 16: 31
    +1
    Yes, I would also like Turkey to pay for broken dishes. But who wrote the article, Misty Albion, then we'll see how it is written. Everything has already been decided, it won’t go there, it’s to blame here, everything is in the past ... and nothing concrete. Fog. And why is they letting him in?
    "soon, as the US and Russia try to close the border between Syria and Turkey."
    We are from the USA, God forbid.