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Time Weapons - Brain Drain

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Weapon It can be different: nuclear, chemical, near-science journalists like to write about secret underground passages and controlled weather, but ... Migration can also be a weapon. Leaking from the country genes, these are males and female producers, and these are also consumers, both real and potential, these are working hands, and also these are “smart brains”, of which there are fewer than stupid in any nation. “Brain drain” (or “brain drain”, from the English. Brain drain) is a process of world emigration, in which scientists and workers with high qualifications for political, economic and religious reasons leave their country and go to work abroad. No wonder they say - “the fish is looking for where it is deeper, and the man is where it is better!” And nothing can be done about it! However, in those countries where this leakage occurs, as a result, there is great economic, cultural, and often political damage, while the receiving countries receive high-value intellectual capital. A similar process takes place in the financial sphere. When exporting capital abroad, it leaks out of the country, and it gets poorer.


Time Weapons - Brain Drain


This term appeared in the course and soon after the Second World War, when many of the scientists left the countries of the fascist bloc. Well, today this phenomenon is most characteristic of young developing states, for example, the former colonies of European states in Africa, and on the islands of the Caribbean, and the former countries of the socialist camp of Eastern Europe.

However, smart people have fled from oppression to other countries at all times. For example, in the IV - V centuries AD. er Many Greek scholars fled to India and the influence of Greek culture increased there. For example, some mathematical terms of that time are obvious tracing papers from Greek. Therefore, it is believed that some of the works written at that time were created by the Greek émigrés who fled from the Christian pogroms in Alexandria and Athens, which took place in the Roman Empire.

In the same France, the outcome of a qualified workforce was provoked in 1685 by the abolition of the famous Nantes edict of his grandfather Henry IV by King Louis XIV. On the policy of toleration, a cross was laid, France became a Catholic country, and not Catholics were either expelled or they were repressed for their faith. As a result, an enormous number of Huguenots, and in France they were from 200 to 1000 thousand, went to other Protestant countries. But many Huguenots were highly educated people, and they also played a significant role in the French economy.

A similar decline occurred during the Mongol invasion of Russia, when the city of Kiev, for example, was almost completely deserted, as written by Plano Karpini, who was passing through it. At that time, skilled artisans either fled or were sold into slavery, as a result of which stone construction ceased there for many years, they stopped making glass and various other complex crafts were forgotten.

A lot of scientists and competent specialists left Russia after the events of the 1917 year, the civil war or shortly after it ended. Many were sent abroad on a “philosophical steamer,” and there were not two such ships, but two! Among the names of those whom Russia lost due to the “great outcome” of those years, they usually list the names of Igor Sikorsky and Vladimir Zvorykin, the creators of the helicopter and television. But among them was the chemist Vladimir Ipatiev, who invented octane gasoline, Alexander Ponyatov, the creator of the VCR, the engineers Artseulov and Harkovich, the creators of the famous Normandy liner, and many more, many others!

When in Germany, Hitler and Italy, Mussolini flourished anti-Semitism, the emigration of scholars of Jewish roots, including such famous ones as Einstein, Bor, Fermi (who had the misfortune of being married to a Jew), immediately began.

After the separation of Germany, from its eastern part to the west, according to a number of estimates, about 1961 million people fled before 3,5, that is, about 20% of its population, and these were mainly young people who received a good education in their country. In August, 1961 had to build the famous Berlin Wall - the visible embodiment of the Iron Curtain, but still the shoots continued.

Many Poles left for the UK to work, of which 40% had a higher education. Now the Poles are leaving less, but still, there are people leaving. And this is not day laborers!

According to D. Livanov, State Secretary of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, from 1989 of the year to 2004, thousands of our scientists left 25 of the year of Russia, and 30 of thousands worked and work there under contracts concluded for a specific period. And he notes that "... Today, the number of people employed in science in Russia is about 40% from the level of 90's." That is, 60% of scientists have lost Russia, and other countries have acquired them, although, perhaps, here we must bear in mind the natural decline and the transition to work in other areas. For example, in the same 90s, many higher-educated school teachers went to market. Engineers became meat cutters, welders, and acquired the specialty "cattle fighter". Of course, it is good to have in society literate pigs, philosophers, sweepers and market guards with a diploma from a polytechnic institute. But ... isn't the society paying too high a price for such a "specialization"?

There is evidence that only in the first half of 90-s at least 80 of thousands of scientific specialists left Russia, which resulted in the loss of the country's budget to the order of $ 60 billion (The data of the Russian Foundation for Basic Research - Russian Foundation for Basic Research). At the same time, Vladimir Zernov, the rector of the Russian New University, stated that “if those specialists who went abroad, starting with 70, were trained at universities in the USA and Western Europe, they would have to spend more than $ 1 trillion on their preparation. "

But they also did not just leave, but took with them their knowledge, experience, technology, often known only to them. Moreover, analysis of the scientific base of Scopus (publication in the scientific journal Scopus costs at least $ 1000, so I, for one, cannot afford it, although I have something to print there) shows that more than 50% of printed works of the Russian scientific diaspora come from USA. The largest number of cited Russian scientists for some reason also work in the United States, and their work accounts for 44% of all links (data after 2003 of the year). The leaders of the citation index are those who graduated from Moscow State University, then goes MIPT. The share of references to the works of Russian scientists remaining in Russia is only 10%. And according to the total number of scientific publications, even India overtook Russia!

Our students are also increasingly being poisoned to study abroad, and they mostly choose Germany. But getting a PhD degree (Ph.D., here they have a lot of things included, not like ours!) Our young scientists still prefer in the USA, where in the same year 2006 she was awarded 183 to our countrymen (in 1997) 74).

2009 year marked the beginning of the migration of Russian scientists in Southeast Asia, including Singapore, where they are provided with very good opportunities for work, not to mention the payment of their labor. However, the first place in terms of losses in this case takes ... Great Britain, from which 1 million 441 thousands of people with higher education (and not only scientists) leave every year. 817 thousand from Germany and from Russia - a little more than 200 thousand people. But the reason is not so much love for the motherland, but in the banal ignorance of a foreign language, which they could not learn in school, and now there is no time to learn, and often just laziness!

In 2011, 36 000 people left the Russian Federation, with the majority going to the countries of the former USSR, for example, like Uzbekistan and the same Armenia. In 2012, the number increased dramatically to 122 751, and in 2013, it was already 186 382.
The reasons why specialists leave:
Low wages;
Poor material and technical base and difficulty with the procurement of instruments and equipment;
Scientific recognition and material success of many scientists who left Russia before them;
Red tape and red tape in the country, blocking the ability to engage in effective and creative work;
Non-compliance with copyright.

As always, when there is any serious problem, in our country the next state program on its correction is adopted. Since September 2012 has been working "The state program to assist voluntary resettlement to the Russian Federation of compatriots living abroad." Its essence is to assist those who resettle "from there" to us to Russia. They are reimbursed for the costs of moving, " elevators ". According to her, over 2014 thousands per year moved to the Russian Federation in 2015 and 100. More than 98% of the displaced are citizens of the CIS. Almost 41% of new arrivals have higher or incomplete higher education, 43% have secondary and special education, while 73 % immigrants are people of working age, 23% - children.

In 2015, the project began to operate and to attract scientists and scientists to us. By September, 2015, 44 scientists with a doctorate degree and a candidate of technical, economic and medical sciences, moved to Russia, and 21 people prepared documents for this. In the Russian Academy of Sciences in 2015, 420 engineers and scientists working in the field of the most relevant scientific, technical and technological problems of our time spoke.

In other countries, the following happens: after the abolition of the apartheid system in 1994, South Africa moved from 1 to 1,6 to millions of people with a high level of education and good professional training. For example, more than 45% of doctors emigrated. At the same time, the departure of one such specialist eventually led to a loss of work for about 10 unqualified workers, which once again confirms the opinion that even 10 can not replace good vacuum trucks at the department by one, maybe not very good professor. To stop the process that threatens the economic security of the country, South Africa demanded that other countries stop the practice of hiring those doctors who received education in South Africa, but nothing came of it!

More than 150 thousand highly skilled workers “flow away” from Africa every year! 1980% of qualified specialists left Ethiopia with 1991 and 75 a year, which, as they say, just became one of the causes of extreme poverty there, which cannot be coped with. In Chicago alone, for example, scientists from Ethiopia work more than in this whole country. In addition to this country, Nigeria and Kenya also suffered greatly from the “brain drain”. A lot of doctors left Ghana and now there are only about 2 thousand doctors or one doctor per 11 thousand people, whereas in the USA one doctor falls on every 2 thousand people. A significant part of the population of the Caribbean islands also lives abroad, and up to 80% of graduates from colleges in Suriname, Granada, Guyana and Haiti, having received an education, left for the United States.

Is it possible to overcome this process? Yes, it is possible and very easy: to pay people a high salary and ask them for work not by their kinship and acquaintances, but by real contribution to what they are doing! It is not formally to evaluate the number of scientific publications, but by their significance, the same citation (not to mutually cite - “I am you, and you are me”) and so on! That is, to treat smart people as the main asset of the country!
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  1. Riv
    Riv 27 January 2016 06: 34
    -1
    Something the author is not telling us here ... Type: qualified doctors are leaving Ghana. Tragedy, however. Would you go to a doctor from Ghana to treat a hernia? Or some other Mozambique? I’d be stuck, American - all the more it won’t. And waiting for a doctor from Ghana a taxi driver career.

    It's the same with "scientists". If he left, then no one needed the house. In America, one out of a hundred will find a job in his scientific specialization - the one who has already established scientific contacts, and the rest will also become taxi drivers. If a person does not find a place for himself at home, then he and abroad will not be particularly needed by anyone. And if he cannot leave because he does not know a foreign language, then all the more who needs such a "scientist"?

    In general, the author could not scare me today.
    1. kalibr
      27 January 2016 07: 50
      26
      It doesn't matter who they become "there", the main thing is that educated people will not be "here."
      1. Forget
        Forget 27 January 2016 08: 16
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        It doesn't matter who they become "there", the main thing is that educated people will not be "here."

        Bl # said beautifully ... good
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 27 January 2016 08: 41
          +2
          Well, as you can.
          Russian spices and navels from Africa. No comparison.
          There are many examples of how people found themselves in a different, favorable environment.
          Tesla for example.
          And the emigrants from Russia who contributed to the development of the American industry - thousands, Sikorsky, Zvorykin ....
          Putin, for example, was outraged that American grant-eaters were tracking capable guys almost from school.
          I believe that one genius in any industry is like a motor, like an engine. Idea's generator. He was gone - and that’s it. The topic can be closed.
          1. Riv
            Riv 27 January 2016 19: 46
            0
            Well, yes ... What is Kasparov alone worth! Tracked from school and lured, fiends.

            It's not about education. Not even in knowledge (and these are different things). If a person wants to live beautifully and do not do nichrome for this, then all this is not important. He will not be able to arrange life here or there. Nowhere. Because it is useless everywhere. Of course, he will not blame himself for his troubles, but will be offended both at the country in which he was born and the one in which he left.

            Well, here's the same Kasparov. He was the world champion. I wanted more. But he had to break through himself, and he was absolutely not capable of that. Previously, they decided for him: "This year there are three tournaments, you go to Sweden, France, then a friendly match with Karpov ..." And when I got into politics, I had to do everything myself. So who is he now? An angry loser. Yes, let him go anywhere. He's not fucking needed anywhere.
            1. AK64
              AK64 27 January 2016 22: 04
              -3
              You write nonsense and not about scientists. You write to yourself.

              In Russia, it is impossible to be a scientist: it means to be a loser, sheer. Who is this for? Therefore, young and sensible guys will leave, and will leave. They are leaving from people like you: it’s unpleasant with you because.

              I said "young and smart" --- because old and smart have long been 80% there.
              As a result, the red graduate does not know the derivative of the work (there was such a fact, a girl wanted to go to a friend in graduate school, well, on the first question)
          2. user
            user 27 January 2016 20: 01
            0
            Putin, for example, was outraged that American grant-eaters were tracking capable guys almost from school.


            Rather than be indignant at the camera, it would be better to ban such activities on the territory of the Russian Federation to foreign agents and their organizations.
            Moreover, it costs almost nothing to the Russian Federation (after all, this is the work of the education departments and finally the Ministry of Internal Affairs), well, except for those who make money on it.
            1. AK64
              AK64 27 January 2016 22: 06
              +1
              Rather than be indignant at the camera, it would be better to ban such activities on the territory of the Russian Federation to foreign agents and their organizations.
              Moreover, it costs almost nothing to the Russian Federation (after all, this is the work of the education departments and finally the Ministry of Internal Affairs), well, except for those who make money on it.

              Yeah - close the border ... Yeah ...

              you have to pay normally not to bureaucrats, but to scientists. (I can find anyone in an hour as a bureaucratic, for any position - find me a normal professor.) So that the prestige of the profession would be little, little. Then you won't have to offend the "grant-eaters".
              1. user
                user 28 January 2016 10: 20
                0
                it is necessary to pay normally not to bureaucrats, but to scientists.


                Why teach people if you know in advance that they will leave for another state?
                But scientists need to pay, not to those who leave (when they leave, they usually don’t have a name, nothing, but there will be a name or not), with the exception of those who left in the early 90's when the USSR collapsed. But they live better there, because the standard of living in the country where they print bucks is higher. So these stories about what we would be paid would be left, there’s no point in commenting. If you were paid more, you would still find a country where you can leave, because Europe is so romantic, especially when you become an emigrant there like today's refugees, by the way they say the same thing.
                1. AK64
                  AK64 28 January 2016 10: 57
                  0
                  it is necessary to pay normally not to bureaucrats, but to scientists.



                  Why teach people if you know in advance that they will leave for another state?

                  An amazing person: he is told "scientists (designers, engineers) have to pay - otherwise there will be no science (technology, industry)!"

                  And he answered, "Why teach at all, if they learn and leave!"
                  Well, the unspoken continuation "Yes, close these universities in general! And close these schools - it is enough for slaves to be able to read!"

                  Judging by the style of thinking, you are either an effective manager or an official, right? Or, take it higher, ajnik is an integral politician?
                  The thinking of effective managers cannot be confused with anything: "to steal and sell everything, and then dump it."
      2. Cube123
        Cube123 27 January 2016 08: 59
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        It doesn't matter who they become "there", the main thing is that educated people will not be "here."

        A talented scientist is a statistical phenomenon. Of the thousands of trained scientists, perhaps one will become outstanding. But the country must cook the whole thousand. So it turns out that, for example, in Russia, the country spends on the training of thousands of scientists. Then the Americans come and buy one outstanding. The scheme, ingenious on economic efficiency. And how many emigrants have taken away the development of entire research institutes. The same Pentkovsky, who took out the developed architecture of Elbrus, on which Pentium was then created.
        http://wisaev.livejournal.com/61096.html

        There is something close to the situation when parents raise a child, spend money on his maintenance, health, education. And then, when the child "fledged", and the parents have grown old, he makes the parents a pen and declares: "And I don't need you now."
        1. AK64
          AK64 27 January 2016 22: 10
          -2
          "And I don't need you now."


          That's right: if they don’t pay and humiliate them, then I don’t owe you anything.
          What difference does it make to you - did the guy leave for the States or leave the movers if you still kept him for a sucker?

          I have a relative - a brilliant pianist: so why, explain to me, the Japanese and the British paid scholarships for him to study there - and in Russia he does not need anyone except his mother?
          Explain it to me?

          You have no one and no one needs for a long time - such a simple thing. And therefore - they leave correctly.
          1. user
            user 28 January 2016 10: 23
            0
            You have no one and no one needs for a long time - such a simple thing.


            Sorry, but you went to the wrong site. You need to Rain https://tvrain.ru/.
            1. AK64
              AK64 28 January 2016 10: 53
              0
              Sorry, but you went to the wrong site. You need to Rain https://tvrain.ru/.


              You can be sarcastic as much as you want - this will not add aikyu to you. And on the topic you have nothing to say simply - hence the "phenomenon".

              Nobody needs anyone in your country, and Dima-Ayfonchik said this directly (and even politely).
              Your government is following Thatcher's recipe: "50 million people are economically justified in this country." So be glad that people are leaving: you personally will have a higher probability that you will not be optimized when they bring you to 50 million.
              Moreover, it is not the Americans who will lead to 50 million, but your own government, which you love so faithfully.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 January 2016 19: 00
      0
      Quote: Riv
      It's the same with "scientists"

      Not the same. If a person signs a contract before leaving, he will not work as a taxi driver for sure. And smart people usually do just that - they do not just "dump", but dump them in a targeted way, on a workplace that is ready for them. I know several programmers, strong guys, now - who is where. One even in Saudi, oh how request

      It is clear that the workplace does not last forever. But their start is normal, and then how they will take root.

      On the other hand, I personally know two guys (a boy and a girl, a husband and a wife). Studied together simply. The guy specializes in theory, the girl specializes in metal physics (MF-1 and MF-2 groups, MISiS, for those who understand). In the 90's they dumped into the States.

      Total:

      - the guy is on fixed-term contracts now, and they are not always, contracts, are
      - the girl works as a programmer .. in prison belay

      Which, however, does not prevent them from raising three children (of which two twin daughters were born when my mother was 46 .. "I went nuts myself" (c)), they have a house there, well, and other delights of life. Sometimes we knock on Skype, the deadline, however, somehow calmed down. Well, okay..
    3. AK64
      AK64 27 January 2016 22: 00
      0
      In general, the author could not scare me today.

      And in vain I could not: Russian science and higher education are greatly undermined - precisely because scientists "cannot find themselves." And finding a graduate school or postdoc in the states is a trivial matter, and no "contacts" are needed for this. Plus everywhere ours, who will support Vasya's postgraduate student. (That is, again, personal contacts are not needed if the manager has them)
    4. martin-159
      martin-159 28 January 2016 05: 57
      0
      With South Africa, the story is special, but at the expense of other African ones, etc. I agree with scientists.
  2. Mera joota
    Mera joota 27 January 2016 06: 37
    +9
    Is it possible to overcome this process? Yes, it can be very easy: to pay people a high salary and ask them for work not according to their family ties and acquaintances, but on the real contribution to what they do!

    Yes of course. One can not do with money. They go there where the whole complex of conditions has been created for doing what they love, money is only part of it. After all, they’re going not only to earn money, but to raise their level by an example, in general there are a lot of parameters, it is very difficult to create them from scratch (we already have it already).
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 January 2016 09: 09
      +9
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Yes, it can be very easy: pay people a high salary

      Here the author is wrong. Money is not everything. An example of Nigeria. Pays specialists a lot of money. Well? A maximum of people go there to work on a rotational basis — he arrived, cut down the dough, and there at least the grass does not grow there. The solution can only be a comprehensive one: financing (both salary and material support of laboratories) and normal living conditions for the family (elementary normal school and kindergarten for the children of scientists), well, not to mess them up. Then there will be scientists and a scientific school.

      PS
      A brain drain does not occur in countries where it is customary to drive on an oncoming lane and block the movement for hours for the passage of a member of the train. This is an axiom.
      1. aiw
        aiw 27 January 2016 14: 08
        +2
        Plusanul. Before the collapse of the ruble, another wave of scientific emigration began - people were leaving for less money, just to be able to work normally in science.

        Want to stop the leak? Create conditions for a normal life and work, and the RFP here, although important, is not a decisive factor. Very rarely, scientists chase for big money, for this there are other professions ... but bread and butter and housing should be enough.
      2. user
        user 27 January 2016 20: 05
        0
        A brain drain does not occur in countries where it is customary to drive on an oncoming lane and block the movement for hours for the passage of a member of the train. This is an axiom.


        Here you are deeply mistaken (if you mean the Russian Federation) a lot of people drove in, mostly residents of the former USSR.
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 January 2016 20: 08
          +1
          Quote: user
          Here you are deeply mistaken (if you mean the Russian Federation) a lot of people drove in, mostly residents of the former USSR.

          I am not mistaken. Brains do not flow to Russia, but from it.
          1. Angry orc
            Angry orc 27 January 2016 22: 34
            0
            something is also flowing to Russia ... ;-)
        2. AK64
          AK64 28 January 2016 07: 13
          0
          Here you are deeply mistaken (if you mean the Russian Federation) a lot of people drove in, mostly residents of the former USSR.

          How many doctors of sciences have come in large numbers, and how many of them work in their specialty, and not sweep yards?
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      3. andj61
        andj61 27 January 2016 20: 34
        0
        Quote: Professor
        A brain drain does not occur in countries where it is customary to drive on an oncoming lane and block the movement for hours for the passage of a member of the train. This is an axiom.

        good I agree with you. That's just what is already changing in this regard in our plan - now they are not driving in the opposite direction ALREADY, as it was even 5-7 years ago. We have even traffic cops in recent times have become much less likely to take. repeat
        So, you see, and in this regard - with time - will also change.
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 27 January 2016 06: 41
    +8
    Yes, nonsense, with a new system of education and training in ten years, there’s nobody to wake up and run away, because it’s calling them ignoramuses in the West and without us
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 January 2016 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      with the new education and training system

      My daughter went through this system. At the same time, she is now studying at a university (not in the Russian Federation, she left here with her mother in 2007 .. to her historical Motherland .. um .. mothers ..), specialty - biochemistry (not management nirazu), and not bad, as far as I know, studying.

      Moral: those who do not want (or cannot) usually complain about the "education system" yourself invest in your children.

      Moreover, the fact that education was better under the Union — it is indisputable that he studied at that time, and is still alive in many ways precisely because of this.

      Somehow yes
  4. tchoni
    tchoni 27 January 2016 07: 22
    +6
    I have never understood the article. "Ay-yay smart people are leaving!" What do you want? For the deputy and the candidate: compare - cry. So, this is a state policy: "let's pump oil until the price falls"
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 January 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Medvedev, being president, answered a question from scientists like this: if you want high income, do business. And our business is "buy and sell" in its purest form.
      1. lex locis
        lex locis 27 January 2016 12: 48
        0
        Dimon generally said something like on TV that scientists should leave, now they are not needed, when they are needed, they say we will buy abroad ....
        The iPhone didn’t think that he would buy something that no one needs, and hardly what is needed ...
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 27 January 2016 07: 26
    +6
    That is, treat smart people as the main asset of the country!... While in Russia there is a different trend, we are attracting strangers, but ours are ..
    1. AK64
      AK64 27 January 2016 22: 13
      0
      That is, treat smart people as the main asset of the country !.


      Generally to people: to smart, to stupid ... Generally to people.
      But you have to the people --- as to serfs
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 January 2016 08: 34
    +5
    Plusanul.
    While we treat smart people like fools,
    these "fools" will continue to leave the country.
    If the country needs scientists so much, then let it show it realistically.
    Came to science, get housing. Let it be social.
    Made a significant contribution, here's a map of the country for you, choose a new address of residence.
    There should be no problems with treatment, for example, payment for an operation.
    Here is a place in kindergarten and school on the principle of convenience, do not "take what they give."
    Then they will not look at scientists and engineers as miserable.
    1. kalibr
      27 January 2016 10: 10
      0
      And I put you +
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 27 January 2016 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      While we treat smart people like fools,
      these "fools" will continue to leave the country.

      It starts from school. In Soviet times, there was such an article "Give me a C better", about the fact that talented children ask that they would not be given good grades, otherwise they are subjected to ridicule and bullying by the gray majority of the class, which, although stupid, is physically strong. Teachers often indulge in this. So it turns out that society itself from childhood discriminates and rejects talented children.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 27 January 2016 21: 38
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        In Soviet times, there was such an article "Give me a C better", about the fact that talented children ask that they would not be given good grades, otherwise they are subjected to ridicule and bullying by the gray majority of the class, which, although stupid, is physically strong.

        It all depends on how the young talent behaves. If he is possessed by "star fever", it will be as you wrote.
    3. lex locis
      lex locis 27 January 2016 12: 59
      +3
      Quote: Zomanus
      Then they will not look at scientists and engineers as miserable.


      I am circulating on work (scientific) to China and vice versa. You would see what attitude to scientists (including financial), something beyond. Just work, dear, for the Great Middle Empire. Talented students in mandatory order sent to graduate school (including and abroad, but with the obligatory condition after the defense to return back). And the provision of equipment and laboratory staff is just like we have under "damned socialism" in closed institutions (he worked under socialism in such institutions when the problem is not to buy equipment, but to understand what you need ...).
      So the Chinese do not suffer from brain drain, because they value the brain.
      And judging by politics and economics, they have a lot of brains ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 January 2016 20: 51
        0
        Quote: lex locis
        Talented students are obligatorily sent to graduate school (including abroad, but with the obligatory condition to return after the defense). And the provision of equipment and laboratory staff is just like we have under "damned socialism" in closed institutions (he worked under socialism in such institutions when the problem is not to buy equipment, but to understand what you need ...)

        And at the same time - they still gallop to the moon to what already exists in Russia. In the sense of science and technology. And the ability to abide by these technologies wink

        And no dirt is needed - not everything that is now in Russia has been made / invented / invented by the Union.

        In my experience working with the Chinese (and other Indians) - they are eternal scholars. They are not capable of generating an idea in principle. They just don’t need it request

        But "to make the ass flat from effort" - here they are unsurpassed by anyone .. diligence - but more than enough.

        Laboratory assistants - yes. Junior staff - yes. But in five years I have never seen a real leader there, with ideas, over there. Maybe he just looked bad, yes laughing
        1. AK64
          AK64 28 January 2016 06: 48
          +1
          Laboratory assistants - yes. Junior staff - yes. But in five years I have never seen a real leader there, with ideas, over there. Maybe he just looked bad, yes


          You are not arguing with that. They tell you about the attitude in China towards scientists. Notice, not to science but to scientists.
          And what has been said is true: their attitude towards scientists has changed over the past 20 years, and the result is that the guys in the States and Europe have defended themselves, voluntarily are returning to China. Nobody forces them.

          I know scientists from the States are returning to Hungary. As one of these said, "I was made such an offer that I could not refuse."

          Well, the Chinese are not rich in ideas: well, give me a deadline, they will. But here you have all those who are rich in ideas - no longer with you.
  7. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 27 January 2016 08: 45
    +3
    We also have internal immigration.
    When people leave science to become "managers". Or somewhere else. To make ends meet elementary.
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 27 January 2016 09: 20
    -3
    Well, let's go and hi with them. Life goes on. Authors from the state are all crying about lost profits, but at the same time they are promoting consumer education. Thus, they present themselves as "no one to replace me" and train their offspring over the hill, and not in Russia. And introducing into management systems-family transfer of the chair.
    1. AK64
      AK64 28 January 2016 07: 19
      0
      Absolutely right.
      And it’s clear to me why there are so many minuses. Apparently, neither citizens can read or understand, that’s less
  9. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 27 January 2016 09: 42
    +2
    In my close circle, 4 people left for the USA and Switzerland. And everyone works in their specialty - scientists, programmers. Many friends in Germany also do not work as carers. Two cases in which girls consciously searched and found husbands abroad (well-to-do). How realistic is it to keep these in the future? I can not even imagine . Probably the best way to keep it is to actively involve the young man in public life here. An excellent delaying incentive is the availability of your own private house / cottage, and the smaller one is the presence of an apartment. Well, about self-realization at work and the possibility of career growth, I generally am silent. We must try to give people something valuable here that they will not have there.
    And the money .... Not soon in Russia, a novice scientist or programmer will be paid the same amount as in the states. It is naive to hope for it.
    To bring a person back is almost a fantastic task. I only heard about isolated precedents.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 27 January 2016 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: Griboedoff
      An excellent delaying incentive is the availability of your own private house / cottage,

      It’s debatable, it’s even a kind of springboard, like you’ll come to a country with some capital, the incentive to stay may be getting the same thing that you wanted to get in the West or more, while there is no need to leave the familiar cultural, linguistic environment
      1. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 28 January 2016 12: 19
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        It’s debatable, it’s even a springboard

        It’s debatable, but still it’s like the roots. The more you let them in here, the harder it is to snatch them. And if you have nothing but brains, education and a dorm room, what will keep you here if you are offered to work there.
    2. AK64
      AK64 28 January 2016 07: 23
      0
      And the money .... Not soon in Russia, a novice scientist or programmer will be paid the same amount as in the states.

      Neighing, che ... You might think a non-beginner, an experienced pay something ... For an experienced, the gap in salary and living and working conditions is even greater.
      1. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 28 January 2016 12: 33
        0
        Quote: AK64
        And the money .... Not soon in Russia, a novice scientist or programmer will be paid the same amount as in the states.

        Neighing, che ... You might think a non-beginner, an experienced pay something ... For an experienced, the gap in salary and living and working conditions is even greater.

        And what to laugh. Yes, the way it is, I just talked about beginners.
  10. Kaiten
    Kaiten 27 January 2016 10: 55
    +2
    The development of science is very beneficial for the state, but goes against the interests of officials who divided the country and areas of activity into semi-feudal bantustans. It is completely incomprehensible to them why investing in obscure projects, when this money is much easier to steal.
  11. thinker
    thinker 27 January 2016 11: 46
    +1
    The reasons why experts are leaving: ...

    There is another significant point - headhunters (from English as a bounty hunter), they are engaged in the search, selection, and often luring of high-level specialists, including key and rare specialties in which a particular company is interested.
    The headhunter’s fee today can reach up to 30-40% of the annual salary of a specialist attracted by him, and the need for the services of such agencies is constantly growing. Not surprisingly, there are currently over 3500 in the United States and over 1350 in Canada.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 27 January 2016 13: 19
      +1
      In the current information world, headhunters are already atavism. Well, or they, too, have already acquired a virtual entity. At least, they should not be perceived as people traveling around the scientific centers of Russia and seducing scientists with thick bundles of banknotes. And, by and large, today there is no particular need to go somewhere. The specialist can earn the same dollars through the Internet and spend through it
      1. AK64
        AK64 28 January 2016 07: 15
        +1
        The specialist can earn the same dollars through the Internet and spend through it

        This is how a proger can work. A scientist "through the Internet" can neither work out nor earn anything.
  12. sw6513
    sw6513 27 January 2016 12: 34
    0
    Higher education has not been the same as in the USSR for a long time; now you can’t be able to write, be a member of a group, carry (or someone is lucky) an extra student for payment, and so you become a specialist for 5 years (only money). And what if such a scientist he’ll leave — he isn’t needed anywhere because he’s dumb.
    1. AK64
      AK64 28 January 2016 07: 12
      0
      Higher education has not been the same as in the USSR for a long time; now you can’t be able to write, be a member of a group, carry (or someone is lucky) an extra student for payment, and so you become a specialist for 5 years (only money). And what if such a scientist he’ll leave — he isn’t needed anywhere because he’s dumb.

      You in vain think people are dumber than yourself: your diploma and grades in it are not important to anyone - they will look at the grades, but then they will talk with the boy / girl. And in half an hour of conversation everything about him / her will become clear.

      And it’s not necessary here to la that all graduates are bought alike: at a certain faculty THREE graduate students were Russians, and the local guys liked them so much that the local guys, not knowing the quality, took already ... anyone, but from Russia. (Then, a little wiser obviously)
  13. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 27 January 2016 13: 27
    -2
    I have already proposed a solution to the problem of brain drain abroad, however, it is rather controversial: it was difficult to change the sample of the diploma issued in order to find a job in a specialty somewhere other than Russia. Of course, only this clearly will not solve the problem, there should be at the same time an increase in the prestige of scientific professions, an increase in wages, an expanded social package, bonus payments for obtaining patents, etc. etc. But as one of the steps - I think it’s quite right
    1. aiw
      aiw 27 January 2016 14: 14
      +4
      To keep and not letting go, this is our way. This, of course, is much easier than creating working conditions here.

      It’s just that it won’t help ... since the customer wanted to spit on the form of the diploma over the hill, he is interested in what a person can do.
    2. kalibr
      27 January 2016 14: 16
      +4
      The form of the paper does not solve the problem. Decide the knowledge of the one who leaves. Here is an example: I have a familiar bronze and silver foundry artist. In fact, he is a pet player. But no one ever looked at his diploma. Look at the work! In England, too, no one asked for a diploma when I suggested they write the first book — they asked for links to articles and that’s it. So if someone has something to present, he will present and an uncomfortable diploma will not turn him away from leaving!
    3. AK64
      AK64 28 January 2016 06: 57
      0
      I have already proposed a solution to the problem of brain drain abroad, however, it is rather controversial: it was difficult to change the sample of the diploma issued in order to find a job in a specialty somewhere other than Russia.

      Well, why all these palliatives? Legs need to be chopped off - then they definitely won’t go anywhere
  14. Fat
    Fat 27 January 2016 14: 50
    +2
    The problem is serious, very complex and long-standing. I recalled
    K. Nikolsky:
    What is done done
    Giving up everything without sorrow
    Only somewhere ends Motherland
    If you have a homeland
    Look back goodbye and here she is
    Alien land underfoot
    Whether the birds are flying migratory
    Either rats flee from the ship
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    1. Stas 86
      Stas 86 27 January 2016 16: 30
      +1
      Now the US training manual has been acting stupidly in the Russian Federation since 1991.
      1. Stas 86
        Stas 86 27 January 2016 18: 54
        -1
        You justify what to put cons.
        Now the US training manual has been acting stupidly in the Russian Federation since 1991.


        Ours stupidly licked (copied) from Uncle Sam (who doesn’t smell like honest democracy) and that’s it.
        1. Stas 86
          Stas 86 27 January 2016 19: 40
          -1
          Our stupidly licked

          I really, really want to believe that not everything is lost.
  16. 8140
    8140 27 January 2016 23: 31
    +2
    Pay a top manager 100 times more than a qualified specialist. So much for the brain drain.
    We have it all the time in state-owned companies.
  17. gladcu2
    gladcu2 28 January 2016 00: 56
    0
    With a cap system, there is no education.


    From the empty to the empty only optimists pour.
  18. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 28 January 2016 19: 59
    0
    We were visited by 3 loaders + their foreman. When my mother called the company, they praised their qualifications + culture + higher education. So it was in fact: qualification, culture, higher education. They came, but 2 for a long time. from small Russian cities, and Belarus.
    Article +, I regret that I was late.
  19. dmb91
    dmb91 29 January 2016 09: 13
    +1
    It is necessary to make life in Russia better than in the West, then specialists will stop leaving. What to do for this? For a start, it would be good to force officials to comply with the "May decrees of the president", where he directly said to increase salaries several times. To give the president extraordinary powers for 2-3 years so that his decrees are carried out without fail, for failure to comply is a severe punishment. Hold a referendum on Constitution 93g-return the state ideology, nationalize the Central Bank, give powers to the president. Reduce the refinancing rate closer to 0%, as in all developed countries. Enough to be a US colony and pay tribute to children, specialists and money.