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The failure of the scout Rezun

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In a lie, and especially in a big one, it is very easy to get confused. The best way to prevent you from being caught on this very lie is to confuse the person you are lying to. Viktor Suvorov (Rezun) masterfully used this method from the first brick in the construction of his large-scale falsification stories World War II, confusing the reader from the very first book, from the very first page. A credulous reader, not burdened with sufficient knowledge of history or knowledge in general. Not really able to think ...


The failure of the scout Rezun


Such people would hardly ever have the opportunity to reflect alone with the luminaries of historical science about the past, slowly drinking tea with him in a cozy atmosphere. And Viktor Bogdanovich, as the brightest body of two sciences at once, historical and military (he is Suvorov!), Graciously provides such an opportunity. And you will pour the seagulls yourself so that you will not be distracted from this conversation over all sorts of trifles. And you are "together" with him come to the brilliant conclusion!

Rezun-Suvorov repeatedly emphasized that his versions and conclusions are based on all available materials and facts. Of course, not every reader understands that facts can be juggled in their own interests. For example, considering them in isolation from other facts, as if the latter do not exist. It also mixes truth and lies, to make a lie more "truthful." Probably, I do not discover America, but if we talk about Suvorov, he is almost a “pioneer” in the large-scale falsification of the history of the Great Patriotic War in the former USSR. And his example was followed by many other falsifiers in Russia, Ukraine, etc., taking the methods described above into service.

This article threatens to be very long if I take on the analysis of all the “flights” of Viktor Bogdanovich. Instead, I will focus, as I believe, on the main thing in his “writings”. The brightest luminary of historical and military science slipped, first of all, not on history and military science, but on its own "craft" - intelligence. If you believe Viktor Rezun in his “research work” so to speak, it turns out that the role of intelligence in military affairs is very small. Constructing its own version, according to which the USSR allegedly prepared aggression against Germany (this version is the main jewel in the “legacy” of the author under discussion) and that the latter, with a “preemptive strike”, just a few days ahead of the Soviet invasion, Rezun-Suvorov does not provide on the conduct of the Red Army reconnaissance measures by the forces of the same aerial reconnaissance in the interests of this invasion.

Even a person superficially familiar with military affairs knows that any military operation requires preliminary reconnaissance, not to mention major operations. Even more so if we are talking about an attack on another country. How to plan targeting without preliminary reconnaissance, Mr. Rezun ?!

But with the conduct of reconnaissance activities, indicating preparation for the invasion, everything was in order just the same with the “defending” side - Germany. The figures are very revealing: from March 27 to April 18, 1941, 80 cases of violation of the USSR airspace by German planes were recorded. These "lost" (according to the German leadership) aircraft shot military objects on film. In particular airfields. It is no accident, after all, attacks on the objects of the Soviet military infrastructure in the first hours of the war were carried out by the German aviation as in writing.

But Rezun for some reason does not compare the actions of the “failed aggressor” with the actions of the “defending” Germans, and the Soviet airfields in the west of the USSR appear as “evidence” of the planned attack on Germany. Well, I really hope that a book devoted to the Stalinist doctrine of “blind air strikes” will be published by PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST Viktor Suvorov.
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  1. Taygerus
    Taygerus 26 January 2016 09: 03
    15
    another liberal historian, they are already sick of spoiling paper
    1. cniza
      cniza 26 January 2016 09: 07
      33
      Quote: Taygerus
      another liberal historian, they are already sick of spoiling paper



      He is very dangerous for future generations ... he writes "beautifully", but for whom does he work?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 09: 32
        26
        Quote: cniza
        but who works for?

        To Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence Service, since 1977. Did you not know? smile
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 26 January 2016 09: 38
          31
          And his example was followed by many other counterfeiters in Russia, in Ukraine,
          In Ukraine, "historians" went even further ...
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 26 January 2016 10: 18
            +5
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            In Ukraine, "historians" went even further ...


            And what can you expect from an "unfinished" who has nothing of her own - everything is stolen from someone. Look, there are not even their own leaders, continuous "Varangians" and overseas conductors. And to be honest, this former Ukraine with its quirks "worse than a karassin" is bored.
            (cry.)
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 26 January 2016 10: 45
            +3
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            In Ukraine, "historians" went even further ..

            It is good that they have not yet found any relationship with the Amer presidents. But what will happen when they discover?
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 26 January 2016 11: 44
              +1
              no relationship with amer presidents. And what will happen when they discover ?,
              I think they will ask Obama to steer crying in a relative way.
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 26 January 2016 12: 12
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              In Ukraine, "historians" went even further ..

              It is good that they have not yet found any relationship with the Amer presidents. But what will happen when they discover?

              How is it - did not find ?! Everyone knows - Obama - Papa Val ... Petro Poroshenko! he is curly-haired ... and with his mind he went to dad1
              ... that’s who’s mom ... who’s Waltz ... Petro Poroshenko is so famously whipping vodka? ... Question!
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 26 January 2016 15: 19
                0
                Quote: CONTROL
                Everyone knows - Obama - Papa Val ... Petro Poroshenko!

                C'mon, all their similarities are the coincidence of the color of the faces of one with the color of the chocolate eye of the other. good
          3. avva2012
            avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 11
            +6
            In Ukraine, "historians" went even further ...

            According to Bebiku, Ukrainians in the form of some theukes mentioned by Herodotus gave birth to Troy, which gave rise to Ancient Greece and the same Rome. Teukras are translated in the same way as Etruscans (!) - “these are Ukrainians” (and the latter, of course, “these are Russians”). The Egyptian pharaohs Hyksos are actually gig-saki, big (!), Or royal, Scythians. And the Scythians - they are the oldest in the world, because they are - Ukrainians. And at the same time they are Arians, because they are the sons of the god Ra (Ukrainians) ... The Greeks are people of the meadow, and, therefore, also Ukrainians, because in Greece there are solid mountains, no meadows, but in Ukraine there is the city of Lugansk, albeit chopped from Russia by grandfather Lenin. The Scythians-Aryans-Praukrainians created all the ancient civilizations, and everything came from them - by itself, except for the Negroes and Semites, who only brought the Scythians into human condition. Yes, and the Ukrainians invented the swastika - in the Mezin culture. Rome was not named Rome by some Romulus (who is he, after all? - but, he is gypsy!) But by tracing paper from Ukrainian Rome, which is mentioned in the “Tale of Igor Polk” (seeker will find !). This Ukrainian Rome is located at the confluence of two rivers - Romain and Sula. Well? Guessed? That's right: this is Romny in the Sumy region. Zeus is the Ukrainian god Il, who later became Elijah, Allah (Al-Ilah) and Zeus proper. Well, you never know that the latter is not consonant, but he, too, is the god of a thunderstorm ... Buddha - he is no Indian! He is a Scythian from the ancient Ukrainian tribe of Budins (!?).
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 26 January 2016 11: 31
              +3
              avva2012

              From the section "Humor"
              The true history of Ukraine
              http://blog.i.ua/user/2485592/795322/
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 40
                +6
                The true history of Ukraine

                The history of Ukraine is great and multifaceted. Its origins must be sought in Ancient Sparta. As we all remember, in those years Sparta was a state of strict morality and rules. From an early age, boys were taught to be warriors. And the girls are prostitutes. The very weak and miserable were thrown from a cliff into a cliff. So the first ancient Ukrainians appeared, who, living at the bottom of the cliff, gradually laid the foundations of future statehood.
                wassat belay Thank! I’ll leave a link. If it is shitty, I will re-read it.
            2. varov14
              varov14 26 January 2016 13: 06
              +1
              And most importantly, he did not mention the reptilians, who cloned the ancient UK.ra, but the poor man worked in underground mines, but humanoids arrived and endowed the UK.ra with intelligence, which made a great mistake. And since then war and betrayal have gone .....
            3. varov14
              varov14 26 January 2016 13: 29
              +1
              And most importantly, he did not mention that the Ukrainians were cloned by reptilians, and they were supposed to work in underground mines as biorobots, but humanoids flew to the earth and endowed the Ukrainians with reason and they began to multiply and share, but there was something to share on the ground. But the mind did not go to the Ukrainians for the future, and there were wars and betrayals, and humanity carries this cross to this day. And they came up with reptilians how to get rid of this scourge and began to zombify the Ukrainians as source material, the experience was again successful and the infection spread over the scales and milestones ......
          4. bort4145
            bort4145 26 January 2016 13: 43
            +1
            Constructing his own version, according to which the USSR allegedly prepared aggression against Germany
            Another ram from parallel reality.
        2. Ostwest
          Ostwest 26 January 2016 11: 04
          +4
          The queen-thief of the crown of the wife of the last Tsar cannot have the appeal of "her majesty" with a capital letter.
          We still remember that her mother-papa was denied the protection of the last royal family, but they take all kinds of revolutionaries with pleasure. And today, nothing has changed. All criminals take refuge in England without discussing the possibility of extradition, and if the Aglitz chiefs have a choice to spoil or not to spoil Russia, they will always spoil.
          Rezun is a little muck.
          One thing is good. They sometimes urinate these same criminals. Or they die under mysterious circumstances. Berezovsky, for example.
        3. hartlend
          hartlend 26 January 2016 19: 21
          0
          This question is about the author of the article, and not about Rezun. The answer is incorrect!
      2. seti
        seti 26 January 2016 09: 38
        16
        It’s just not clear why Rezun hasn’t found his ice ax for all these years. Or at least a free ride home and a jail time. Long.
        1. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 26 January 2016 09: 48
          17
          "As for the traitors, they will bend themselves, I assure you."

          V.V. Putin
          1. varov14
            varov14 26 January 2016 13: 11
            +2
            Take away the little hands - the traitor must live to old age and in satiety and die in his native bed.
        2. tomket
          tomket 26 January 2016 10: 47
          +1
          Quote: seti
          It’s just not clear why Rezun hasn’t found his ice ax for all these years. Or at least a free ride home and a jail time. Long.

          It is not clear why discuss the traitor's opuses? In my opinion, it has long been known that he is a traitor and works for the Mi-6, and is now earning money in passing spitting on our history. An all the same from time to time excites the consciousness of some citizens. By the way, it is interesting to trace how Rezun's work has changed. If he started with "Icebreaker", now he has slipped to Khrushchev and an eyewitness of the 60s. Apparently on the subject of the Second World War, the Rezun-Suvorov project has already been worked out by the British, but Rezun still wants to eat.
          1. Oorfene Deuce
            Oorfene Deuce 26 January 2016 11: 41
            +7
            Well, I don’t know how anyone ... Personally, I’m extremely interested in reading Rezunov’s opuses. I’m not lying to God! Honestly - this is a fascinating reading. Submission of material, speed, flight of fancy ... Author zhzhot! Very entertaining and entertaining reading.
            1. pts-m
              pts-m 26 January 2016 13: 03
              +2
              indeed. I was also interested in reading Rezun’s books. at least some revealing of “secret materials”. in vain the author of the article accuses ordinary readers of their illiteracy regarding what is happening on the eve of World War II. not everyone is given the right to visit the archives. and those who are kept away from the “feeder” of power. They are much more harmful from them than from the books of the criticized dissident-traitor writer.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2016 16: 15
                +1
                Quote: PTS-m
                at least some kind of ajar of "classified materials"

                This is how to file. How do you like pornography? It seems everything is as in life, but slightly perversions. And they have recently been increasingly embodied in the norm. The principle of windows of Overton.
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 26 January 2016 12: 21
            +2
            Quote: tomket
            It is unclear why discuss opus traitor? In my opinion, it has long been known that he is a traitor ...

            And what circulation was published in Russia !? And who and where after that is the traitor? Yes, there is a whole intelligence network! With residents, saboteurs and ordinary "executors"!
            Some of them proudly stand on their shelves, flaunt their "Icebreakers" and so on ... And I understood from the second book - he was lying from someone else's voice ... Therefore, I am practically unfamiliar with this "Suvorov" ...
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 January 2016 16: 06
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            It is unclear why discuss opus traitor?

            And the first book (Aquarium) is cool and true (whoever reads will understand). Looks like for a seed. Without a grain of truth, a lie will not work.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 26 January 2016 16: 46
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And the first book (Aquarium) is cool and true (whoever reads will understand).

              And who served bully there is such a truth winked
            2. esaul1950
              esaul1950 29 January 2016 15: 47
              0
              I know the life of the army intelligence of those years that this "writer" describes, lies are not measured there.
        3. 2С5
          2С5 26 January 2016 11: 28
          0
          ... it’s not about imprisonment that threatens, but death ... LONG
        4. Baloo
          Baloo 26 January 2016 12: 26
          +1
          It’s just not clear why Rezun hasn’t found his ice ax for all these years. Or at least a free ride home and a jail time. Long.
          Who needs this 3.14 ... s, s ... corrupt, traitor.
          So who it was necessary to issue a one-way ticket is Kalugin and Gordievsky. We will never know how many illegal immigrants had to be returned to their homeland because of their betrayal. am
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 January 2016 16: 16
            0
            Quote: Balu
            Who needs this 3.14 ... s, s ... corrupt, traitor.

            In theory, it should be needed by the "specialists" of the GRU. request
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 26 January 2016 09: 38
        12
        Quote: cniza
        He is very dangerous for future generations ... he writes "beautifully", but for whom does he work?



        For whom it works, or rather, against whom it’s understandable ... Against the country in which he was born and raised, against the people with whom he grew up and communicated ...

        Despite the harmfulness of his work for the young generation of Russia, two questions surprise me ...
        The first is why is he still alive ??? (This question also applies to Gorbachev) ...
        The second - why are his books freely printed, replicated, sold in the same Russia ??? Freedom and democracy ???

        Well, yes, well, yes ... We also have "Mein Kampf" Hitler's printed and sold ...

        Still, for particularly odious works, some restrictions should reappear ....
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 10: 33
          +2
          The first is why is he still alive ??? (This question also applies to Gorbachev) ...

          The deadline has not come. Everything is in God's hands.
          That circle, which for traitors, will not go anywhere. And, the closer the old age (Rezun), the awareness of the furnace will be more sharply felt.
        2. Ostwest
          Ostwest 26 January 2016 11: 21
          +4
          It is forbidden to forbid. Democracy Panimash !!
          But, as a harmful product, such as tobacco and alcohol, you need to pay crazy excise taxes so that you can only buy reckless ones and strictly control distribution in the internet like a drug, and on the first page indicate all the bad milestones of the author’s betrayal so that people know what they’re taking hands .. Of course there must be an appropriate law.
      4. Mahmut
        Mahmut 26 January 2016 09: 47
        -7
        According to Rezun, the Soviet attack on Germany was planned for mid-July. Aerial reconnaissance is carried out no earlier than 3 days before the attack. There is no point in doing aerial reconnaissance of the area in a month, just betraying yourself. So the first attack on the GRU traitor is unsuccessful. Do not count. I look forward to the next attempts.
        1. Scum
          Scum 26 January 2016 10: 22
          11
          So the Germans are fools. Conducted aerial reconnaissance 3 months before the attack, but do you need 3 days?
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 26 January 2016 10: 36
            -1
            Fools are not Germans, but those who believe in it.
            1. nekot
              nekot 26 January 2016 11: 24
              +9
              What do they believe? The statistics of border violations by German airplanes are described wherever possible, and not in 3 days. You haven’t messed up anything, about 3 days before the war? I can understand about reconnaissance 3 days before a specific operation, but before the start of the war this is clearly not enough. Or do you have airfields, railway junctions, district headquarters, military command and control detachments every three days in peacetime? Very strange logic.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 26 January 2016 14: 02
                -4
                Do I have weird logic? How long does it take to move the headquarters - 3 months? Or do you need 3 months to equip a field airfield? And to identify the location of the railway junction using aerial reconnaissance - is this not strange logic? For me, just looking at the map is enough. And you take risks into account. Or do you think that if there is no war, then you can fly with impunity across the border to the depth of the combat radius of the aircraft? A maximum of 3-5 km, where in addition to frontier posts there should be no headquarters, airfields and other attributes of an impending offensive operation.
                Guys, I'm not against Rezun’s exposure. But it offends me that so far from our side there is no worthy opponent to him who would specifically, competently, on every point and with a brace. Against the monster of propaganda are some kind of miserable flea carnivores. And today their only argument is Rezun the traitor and therefore he is not right. And all the rest push up forgetting the main thing.
                For information search send a reconnaissance group for language. Only the language is brought not their own, which can be trusted, but the enemy.
        2. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 26 January 2016 11: 22
          10
          Quote: Mahmut
          aerial reconnaissance is carried out no earlier than 3 days before the attack. There is no point in doing aerial reconnaissance of the area in a month, just betraying yourself.

          ??
          Mr. (comrade) Mahmut! Your logic is good (I’m silent that it is not confirmed by the charters), if you step on Shepetovka from Kalinovka, and if on the scales of the USSR?
          Much you less than transfer the divisions in three days? And the equipment? And the ammunition shells? The rear units? Create a plan war!, coordinate all this at all levels, bring to all who you need and start by praying!
          Isn’t it funny? Over the course of three days, plans for tactical goals are carried out, when strategic ones are already defined, and forces and equipment are located in the places of deployment.
        3. Ostwest
          Ostwest 26 January 2016 11: 28
          -1
          Why 3 days? Three months. The Germans were already conducting aerial reconnaissance in April. That is, our German template was supposed to begin reconnaissance in May, which was not there. Now how is a professor?
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 January 2016 11: 28
          0
          for Mahmut:
          "So the first attack on the traitor GRU was unsuccessful. Not counted" ////

          I totally agree. Aerial reconnaissance over neighboring territory
          gives out a plan to the country, and if carried out too early - irrelevant
          by the time of the attack.
          However, Rezun’s hypothesis of a preventive attack is not supported
          documented by German documentary sources. No one
          certificates for. German Foreign Ministry documents, General Staff meetings, Hitler's talks
          all published in German and translated into English.
          So, Hitler committed aggression.
          Stalin apparently planned a wide oncoming
          offensive. Which did not work after a powerful German attack.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 35
            0
            However, Rezun’s hypothesis of a preventive attack is not documented by German documentary sources.

            The Barbarossa plan is July 22 1940 of the year.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 26 January 2016 11: 54
            +2
            Stalin, apparently, was planning a widespread offensive,
            Mr. warrior, do you hear yourself, or read what you write? There was a rearmament of the army, which was supposed to end in 1942, and at the same time plan a counter attack? You can see that they studied at the Academy of the Ukrainian headquarters, where the zrada turns into a standoff.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 26 January 2016 12: 33
              +1
              for kotvov:
              "there was a rearmament of the army, which was to be completed in 1942, and
              while planning a counter offensive? "///

              Rearmament went, who argues. But when in May 41 it became clear
              that Hitler’s attack is inevitable, all plans are confused. And decided
              that a broad counteroffensive is better than defense (which the Red Army
              never rehearsed at all). The decision was purely compelled,
              and it turned out to be not the best option.
              1. Reducer
                Reducer 26 January 2016 14: 15
                +1
                Aha! All plans are confused.
                "... at first the celebrations were planned. Then the arrests. Then they decided to combine.
                “And where is our guard?” Where is the guard?
                - Obviously, bypassing the flanks.
                - Whom?
                - Everyone! "
                "The same Munchausen" 1979
      5. WKS
        WKS 26 January 2016 10: 25
        +5
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Taygerus
        another liberal historian, they are already sick of spoiling paper



        He is very dangerous for future generations ... he writes "beautifully", but for whom does he work?

        Yes, he writes beautifully, but tiring. He defeated only two of his books. Facts are not enough for such conclusions, mainly conclusions. Even if Joseph Vissarionovich had a plan to get ahead of Adolf Aloizovich, this plan remained unfulfilled. Hitler started the war, he began vilely and he unleashed it not only against the USSR, but throughout Europe. All of Germany paid for this, having lost not only many of its territories, but also its military spirit. The Americans, who made a fuss in time in 1944, still use the Germans as they want.
        And Rezun works, it’s known to whom. On a long-standing spiteful Russian statehood - Great Britain.
      6. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 26 January 2016 11: 25
        -17 qualifying.
        The article is shit ..
        Author - upstart immature!
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 26 January 2016 11: 56
          +5
          Article - shit .. ,,
          you need to understand yourself consider an elephant?
          1. Tra-ta-ta
            Tra-ta-ta 26 January 2016 12: 06
            -11 qualifying.
            What did I do..?
            Read themselves Suvorov and look - who is Vladimir Zainchkivsky..
            Many have already yapped at Suvorov .. But in history he will remain (albeit a deserted person), not a "pug."
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 26 January 2016 12: 21
              11
              Quote: Tra-ta-ta
              But in history he will remain (albeit a deserted person), not "pugs".

              Well, yes Well, yes, the same story remembers Judas Iscariot and Hetman Mazepa, and General Vlasov and other abominations, there is a place among these bastards and Rezun and not Suvorov, but Rezun is not such a pseudonym for this Moska. hi
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 12: 30
          +9
          Quote: Tra-ta-ta
          The article is shit ..
          Author - upstart immature!

          Article is normal
          The commentator is shit. Clinical Resunoid
          1. Avantageur
            Avantageur 26 January 2016 13: 35
            -5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            The commentator is shit. Clinical Resunoid

            Are you now writing on behalf of a Ukrainian or on behalf of a liberal burr of a curler?
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 14: 31
              +2
              Quote: Avantageur
              Are you now writing on behalf of a Ukrainian or on behalf of a liberal burr of a curler?

              Is everything okay with your head? Or forgot to take a pill?
              1. Avantageur
                Avantageur 26 January 2016 17: 01
                -3
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Quote: Avantageur
                Are you now writing on behalf of a Ukrainian or on behalf of a liberal burr of a curler?

                Is everything okay with your head? Or forgot to take a pill?


                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 17: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Avantageur
                   You never answered the question - you are the instigator of my, ethnic hatred.

                  Where did you, sickly, see the incitement? Go to bed.
                  1. Avantageur
                    Avantageur 26 January 2016 23: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Quote: Avantageur
                     You never answered the question - you are the instigator of my, ethnic hatred.

                    Where did you, sickly, see the incitement? Go to bed.

                    Are you blind and have ADHD?

                    Quote: The site is strictly prohibited
                    b) Inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest ...


                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    The Ukrainians will say that this was the wrong Polish journalist. The Poles are their "brothers", and this is clearly Putin bought. For cash.



                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    but this is clearly Putin bought. For cash.

                    Proof, will you provide?
      7. mitya24
        mitya24 26 January 2016 11: 48
        +2
        Plutonium him in tea
      8. The comment was deleted.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 26 January 2016 09: 11
      19
      Everything has been known about Rezun for a long time, betrayed his homeland, fled to England, while serving in the GRU, practiced his 30 pieces of silver, drawing libel on the history of the Great Patriotic War.
      1. captain
        captain 26 January 2016 09: 19
        13
        Rezun is a traitor, but the operational formation of the Red Army for the period of June 22, was clearly not for defensive battles. And the location of our airfields says the same thing. And if you remember our slogans; ".. to beat the enemy on its territory .." and films, then we were not going to wage defensive battles. So even though he (Rezun) is a scoundrel, there is logic in his writings.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 26 January 2016 09: 39
          +6
          Quote: captain
          the operational construction of the Red Army for the period of June 22 was clearly not for defensive battles.

          Quote: captain
          So even though he (Rezun) is a villain, there is logic in his writings.

          His and your logic would be good if the USSR attacked the Third Reich in 1942. Hitler, having sent Hess to GB in May 1941, insured himself / received a guarantee / from the war on two fronts and began it on the date you specified.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 26 January 2016 10: 37
            0
            Hitler, having sent Hess to GB in May 1941, insured himself / received a guarantee / from a war on two fronts

            I did not understand your thought. The war with Great Britain was already underway. That is, there was one front. The Führer, decided that it was not enough for him and himself discovered another. wassat
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 26 January 2016 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              I did not understand your thought. The war with Great Britain was already underway. That is, there was one front.

              I repeat, especially for you. The war was, it was called "strange" and it went on neither shaky nor shaky. Der Grosse Fuehrer designated it with the famous "stop order", which made it clear to the English that he was inviting them to start negotiations, they "did not heed". With the bombing of Coventry on November 14, 1940, provoked by the British bombing of Munich on November 8 of the same year, Hitler "responded" to the British, who wanted to send him along the obstructed Drang nach Osten route. Having trampled the Gallic cockerel, he desired to conclude peace with the GB. But they rested. I had to send almost a co-author of "Mein Kampf" with a request not to disturb Germany too much during his war with the USSR.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 19
                0
                The war was, it was called "strange" and it went on neither shaky nor shaky.

                "According to Churchill's data, cited in his memoirs, in January - 325 brt, in February - 048, in March - 401, in April - in connection with the military operations of the British expeditionary corps in Greece - even 768 and in May - 537 GRT. Since June 493, during the year of the war, German submarines alone sank almost 653 million GRT of British, Allied and neutral tonnage; to this, more than 960 million GRT of tonnage sunk by surface ships, aircraft and mines had to be added. "
                Britain is on the islands. The cat wept for its resources. What is strange in such a war?
                1. V.ic
                  V.ic 26 January 2016 14: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  What is strange in such a war?

                  You don’t know! When the Germans mutuzit the Poles, not a single French or English soldier rose to attack the Germans. There, in my opinion, for six months of the "strange war", the Entente had only a couple of people who were blown up by their own mines. And if they then stabbed in the back of the Nazis on the western borders of the Reich, where the Wehrmacht had only half-blooded and small divisions, Germany would capitulate without hesitation, because she was not ready for a war on two fronts, as MV proved.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 January 2016 15: 31
                    0
                    When the Germans muttered the Poles, not a single French soldier, or English, came up to attack the Germans.

                    As for the land war, yes, I agree. What is the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force without firing a shot? There is an opinion of historians that Hitler wanted to force England to surrender, by means of a blockade, without casualties and special destruction. Therefore, more or less seriously, they fought at sea and in the air. The Fuhrer is believed to have treated England with reverence. He even named his country by analogy: Great Germany. But this is Hitler's attitude. The British, judging by the subsequent bombing of Germany, were in a different mood. Therefore, the second front still existed. What I wrote about. And the fact that Hitler didn’t succeed does not mean that he didn’t want to. Well, and, of course, nobody took into account the pshek. Sorted out among themselves "gentlemen", and how many Slavs will die, no one was interested.
        2. ecologer
          ecologer 26 January 2016 09: 42
          25
          Read the memoirs of Manstein, even he writes that the troops of the USSR were not deployed for the offensive. The issues of planning the defensive operations of the Red Army and the criminal miscalculations of the Soviet command are very well described in modern analytics. But Rezun really has a logic - working out an order and writing fiction, which is presented as historical research.
          1. Armax
            Armax 26 January 2016 12: 26
            +2
            Quote: ecologer
            working out the order and writing fiction, pretending to be historical research.

            Moreover, the finished concept of fiction Rezunu gave his new owners.
            I must say that they were not mistaken in choosing a writer. Certain abilities in the adaptation of the material in Rezun undoubtedly showed, but nothing more.
            He was a scout, he served the Great Stainless-USSR, who is he now? One of the corrupt dogs without a homeland barking at her for handouts of the English masters.
        3. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 09: 43
          14
          Quote: captain
          Rezun the traitor, but the operational construction of the Red Army for the period of June 22, was clearly not for defensive battles.

          In your opinion, the defensive battles were to unfold in the Urals? In fact, it is absolutely logical that the forces of the Red Army were deployed in the immediate vicinity of the state border in order to repulse the blow of the Nazi troops and not let them inland. Why it didn’t work out is another question, but blaming the USSR for aggressive intentions is utter stupidity. Or broadcast ancient Goebbels propaganda?
          Then put an equal sign between communism and fascism - this is now fashionable.
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 26 January 2016 09: 52
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            but blaming the USSR for aggressive intentions is utter stupidity.

            I certainly don’t argue, but explain to me the facts ... how did we go in and pluck the Finns by joining almost the entire Kola Peninsula ?? ... after all, the Finns had a clear defensive tactic ... and Poland was divided .... Ukraine was pleased with the territory ?? ... is it so without aggression? .... if so and I agree with you ... then what howl that NATO is approaching our border? !! .... where is aggression and where is defense ???
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 10: 01
              18
              Quote: gispanec
              how did we go in and plunder the Finns by joining almost the entire Kola Peninsula ??

              The Finns were offered to move the border from Leningrad (it passed almost along the outskirts) in exchange for territorial concessions. Which twice exceeded the Finnish losses in case of border changes. They didn’t agree in a good way - they agreed in a bad way.
              Quote: gispanec
              and Poland was divided ...

              Well, yes, it was necessary to give Poland all to Germany, why. You have forgotten about the Baltic states - it was also "occupied". Although it was more civilized to give to the Germans. So?
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 26 January 2016 10: 57
                -3
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Finns were offered to push the border

                we Japs also offer to give the island in exchange for technology and joint development of the shelves ... we give?
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Well, yes, it was necessary to give Poland all to Germany, why. You have forgotten about the Baltics - it was also "occupied". Although it was more civilized to give to the Germans.

                everything can be explained there absolutely ... and you asked the locals whether they want to or not ... we want favors under us ... we want them under the Hitlers and the flag!

                the most important thing that you don’t understand at all ... I’m talking about AGGRESSION ..... right now, is it behaving aggressively yes or no ??? if so, then before the war we behaved the same aggressively !!! remember the words? we’ll destroy the whole world to the foundation ..... a very peace-loving text ... I don’t want to argue .. were aggressive like right now NATO pursues an aggressive policy
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 26 January 2016 12: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: gispanec
                  and you asked the locals whether they want to or not ... they want favors under us ... we want them under the Hitlers and the flag in their hands!


                  It was NOT Poland, the Entente established it in the 1919 line of Curzon.
                2. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 12: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: gispanec
                  we Japs also offer to give the island in exchange for technology and joint development of the shelves ... we give?

                  Did they offer us Hokkaido in exchange? It's about the exchange of territories actually
                  Quote: gispanec
                  .a local you asked whether they want to or not ..

                  Imagine asking. It was a voluntary entry of the Baltic states into the USSR, at the request of the local governments and parliaments.
                  Quote: gispanec
                  remember the words? we will destroy the whole world to the foundation .....

                  I remember, but you seem to be not very good. "The whole world violence we will destroy to the ground ... "Violence the world, and not" the whole world to dust. "Don't you feel the difference? smile
                  1. gispanec
                    gispanec 26 January 2016 20: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    The whole world of violence

                    so who will define the concept of violence? Of course you are in the sense of the USSR so it does not roll
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Did they offer us Hokkaido in exchange?

                    What's the difference? we attacked the Finns, and this is a fact, and what you suggested they don’t get to work is their right to say no, but we fought aggression and started a war, or did I invent it? let's already admit our mistakes or all that we don’t like is just a minus to the article or post
            2. Ostwest
              Ostwest 26 January 2016 11: 40
              +9
              The Finns were presented with statehood, then land was offered to them. It was too dangerous to have an aggressive state near Leningrad.
              Poland 20 years ago did not capture its own. It was returned, although they could have been more, and then Poland was presented with part of Prussia, access to the sea. Who else would do this for the Poles?
              1. PhilFilych
                PhilFilych 26 January 2016 15: 36
                +2
                And Vilnius was presented to Lithuania
              2. gispanec
                gispanec 26 January 2016 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: OstWest
                . It was too dangerous to have an aggressive state near Leningrad.

                Finnish aggression facts in 34-39 years-into the studio and please justify your fantasies
                UKRAINE NOW an aggressive state? probably yes then, according to your words, should we right now send Shamanov and his brothers there and solve the problem by military methods? Right?
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 26 January 2016 21: 07
                  -1
                  Quote: gispanec
                  Finnish aggression facts in 34-39 years-into the studio and please justify your fantasies

                  What, gishpanets, was offended for geography, put a minus? So you also don’t know the history in addition. Have you heard or read anything about Finnish lakhtars. About the White Finnish republic of the 20s with the slogan “Great Finland all the way to the Urals”?
                  1. gispanec
                    gispanec 27 January 2016 12: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Captain45
                    So you also don’t know history. Have you heard or read anything about Finnish lakhtars. About the White Finnish republic of the 20s with the slogan “Great Finland all the way to the Urals”?

                    I am reporting to you an Internet USER ... I have 3 educations 1-hydrogeologist (conclusion ?? probably with geography I’m just great) 2-faculty (I think the same with history) 3-doesn’t have anything to do, read wiki and newfangled stupid article posts ... make the brain work more in search of originals and facts .... and good luck in the difficult struggle with anti-propaganda and flip-flop enemies in modern Russia ..... nothing to talk about ... topic closed ... you want to prove write in a personal there and continue
            3. Captain45
              Captain45 26 January 2016 20: 34
              0
              Quote: gispanec
              .How did we enter and plunder the Finns by joining almost the entire Kola Peninsula ??.

              You from me "-" for your knowledge of geography. Although you are forgiven, you, judging by the flag, are not a resident and not a citizen of Russia. Take a geographical map, preferably 30-40s and see where the Kola Peninsula is and where the Karelian Isthmus is and where it passed USSR border in 1940. foolSince the time of Tsar Gorokh, the Kola Peninsula belonged to Russia and could not take it away from the Finns of the USSR because it already belonged to the USSR. hi
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 26 January 2016 21: 02
                0
                Quote: Captain45
                You from me "-

                the answer is I’m mistyped of course Korelsky and twist your finger in your back if you’re so stupid about the flag I’m a citizen of my country and have lived all my life in different regions and cities, I’ve been living in Nizhny Novgorod for the last 10 years, but about the flag ask the provider, he is from Ufa
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 26 January 2016 21: 13
                  0
                  Quote: gispanec
                  I have a typo of course Korelsky

                  The Kola Peninsula, and the Karelian Isthmus, from the name Karelia. You had a bad school with geography.
          2. Mahmut
            Mahmut 26 January 2016 10: 06
            -18 qualifying.
            Read Manstein’s memoirs,.....

            Or maybe still start with Zhukov’s memoirs. There he describes how mediocre troops showed themselves in pre-war exercises in defensive operations. Only by 1944 did the Soviet army learn to effectively counter German counterattacks. Unfortunately, I had to study with the Germans. The Bolsheviks shot their sensible officers immediately after the end of the civil war.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 26 January 2016 10: 45
              +5
              The Bolsheviks shot their sensible officers immediately after the end of the civil war.

              Who was shot right after the Civil War? Before 1937-38, were there any repressions? Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of the “tsarist” army commanders killed under the leadership of Tukhachevsky. Number of positions held.
              Rezun has a lot of nonsense, but one can almost agree with one book. Tukhachevsky, Yakir and other commissars were shot, apparently for the cause. Ah, "strategist" Blucher, yes. Without him, as without hands in the Second World War it was.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 26 January 2016 13: 38
                -2
                Until 1937-38, were there repressions?

                Repressions were before 1937-38. And in the 1937-1938 year, the repressions were mainly in relation to the repressors themselves. Not even repression, but a small sweep.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 26 January 2016 15: 40
                  +1
                  Repressions were before 1937-38. And in the 1937-1938 year, the repressions were mainly in relation to the repressors themselves. Not even repression, but a small sweep.

                  A small sweep, I do not agree. All the same, the tops are well trimmed. There are publications, I will not repeat. And, here, information came across that Tukhachevsky was removing the former officers of the tsarist army for some reason. And, this happened, somewhere in the area of ​​1929-35. The Internet is large, sometimes if you directly make such a request, how many links will come out. at what 99%, off topic. If there is, a specific address on this topic and do not mind, discard. Thank.
            2. nekot
              nekot 26 January 2016 11: 27
              +2
              And what did you want to prove by this ??))) That troops that do not know how to defend themselves can only advance? Your logic with every post is all the more wonderful))
        4. varov14
          varov14 26 January 2016 10: 46
          -10 qualifying.
          Proceeding from this, it turns out that Stalin was preparing for an attack, he was getting ready, but he wasn’t an iron point, he didn’t dare attack. But rather, he was smart, he understood, he would attack — they were crushed from all sides, even due to ideological differences. And so the coalition was created against fascism, though we lost pretty much, but we won.
        5. Aleksander
          Aleksander 26 January 2016 12: 00
          +1
          Quote: captain
          but the operational formation of the Red Army for the period of June 22 was clearly not for defensive battles. And the location of our airfields says the same thing. And if you remember our slogans; ".. to beat the enemy on its territory .." and films, then we were not going to conduct defensive battles


          The operational construction of the Red Army for the period of 22June was clearly FOR defensive battles, about this and the Directive of the General Staff, transmitted to the troops on the night of 22 on June, for this, huge SDs were built on the border line. Films, etc. suggested the defeat of the enemy on its territory AFTER the reflected aggression.
          NO documents, memoirs of alleged aggression against Germany Does not exist.
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        7. PhilFilych
          PhilFilych 26 January 2016 15: 59
          +2
          In one of his books, he described the actions of the 22th Panzer Division stationed in Brest. Or rather, inaction. If my memory serves me, then according to his version the Germans simply crossed the Bug, and shot the entire division from machine guns. Here they say to you the proof that there was no talk of any defense. Here are just documents and memoirs say the opposite. There wasn’t any kind of execution from the machine guns of the division. After the art raid, the tankers still managed to get to the Bug and there they met the Germans. After that they were able to retreat with heavy losses. And they finished off the division already in Kosovo, and this is 120 km from Brest. And so for many of him, says A, but is constantly silent about B.
      2. sergo42
        sergo42 26 January 2016 10: 14
        +9
        Betrayed is understandable. But how beautifully the British secret services picked him up! Rezun in all books and interviews says that he was made extreme and sentenced to death in absentia, and generally cave morals reigned in the GRU and SVR. The fact is that Rezun showed, to put it mildly, an increased interest in males. On this basis, he made friends with some foreigner. The foreigner, as it later became clear, Rezun was skillfully framed by the enemy special services, and then they began to blackmail me. Now they are looking at such "weaknesses" as non-traditional sexual orientation through their fingers and even find a lot of excuses for perverts. And in the "totalitarian" USSR, these "weaknesses" were considered a crime and were punishable under the relevant article of the Criminal Code. So, confused with a foreign fagot, Rezun committed a criminal offense, which meant not only a prison term, but also the end of his foreign career. I had to ask for political asylum in England. There have always been and continue to find shelter of all kinds of swindlers, who are shining prison bunks in their homeland. So Rezun was sheltered.
      3. arnulla
        arnulla 26 January 2016 11: 51
        +1
        And it’s kind of burnt on a woman ..)))
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 16: 04
          0
          And it’s kind of burnt on a woman ..)))

          It depends on what woman. If an Englishwoman, then there are real doubts about his orientation.
    3. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 26 January 2016 09: 13
      13
      He is not a "liberal" and even less a "historian". A simple traitor. Jackal.
      1. arnulla
        arnulla 26 January 2016 11: 54
        -2
        Yes, he is elementary))
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 26 January 2016 09: 23
      +3
      Books should be read and thought, and not blindly believe. And Suvorov writes briskly, he gives enough interesting facts. So read and turn on the brain, and "why and why" it gives information just like that.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 26 January 2016 09: 40
        +8
        Quote: marlin1203
        . And Suvorov writes briskly, he cites enough and interesting facts.

        I can say the same thing about any of us, we all write briskly, present facts that are sufficient and interesting. So to speak, as we see, from our bell tower.
        And where is the truth (Truth)? And she, as always, is somewhere nearby. Agree, the film is interesting, and most importantly there are a lot of facts.
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      2. Amurets
        Amurets 26 January 2016 11: 16
        +6
        Quote: marlin1203
        marlin1203 (1) RU Today, 09:23 ↑

        Books should be read and thought, and not blindly believe. And Suvorov writes briskly, he gives enough interesting facts. So read and turn on the brain, and "why and why" it gives information just like that.

        I agree with you completely. I tried to check the links that Rezun gives and the facts in them are the same as the authors, but here the picture of Uncle Vasya does not work. All the facts can be interpreted this way and that. And the words of Pokryshkin and the words of other military leaders. the whole picture doesn’t work out. And it doesn’t agree on the technical condition. One thing is possible with Rezun, it’s that really big epapses of material resources fell into the hands of the Germans, but this was never hidden. I won’t go into technical details, they are of little interest to anyone. But it’s unreasonable to consider the resource of a tank of that time equal to the resource of a truck or a modern tank. Not those technologies, not the same materials.
    5. Vend
      Vend 26 January 2016 09: 32
      +8
      Quote: Taygerus
      another liberal historian, they are already sick of spoiling paper

      This is not a liberalist, this is a traitor.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 26 January 2016 10: 20
        +3
        Of course Rezun is p-o-d-o-n-o-k and a traitor, and his "creativity" is ordinary guano in chocolate glaze! But the main thing is, most likely, that he is not alone "working" on these vile libels, a whole group of "writing fraternity" from the CIA and British intelligence seems to be working with him! Correctly earlier it was said that soon he himself will choke on his own feces!
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 26 January 2016 17: 38
          0
          Well, you obviously didn’t read it. All the facts that he cited are well-known since the Soviet era and for some reason no one has been disputed by any of the historians, including the Soviet ones. The indignation was not caused by well-known facts and arguments, but by the conclusions that flowed from them. It is pointless to argue with the conclusions; you need to cut to the root and refute those facts, thanks to which the opponent came to the wrong conclusions. This is impossible, because the facts had a place to be and they are too well known to be distorted so quickly. Or you should look for a flaw in the very logic of the reasoning of the opponent. For this, brains are needed. You won’t solve anything with a mass meeting and the number of cons.
      2. oblako
        oblako 26 January 2016 12: 42
        +1
        Monument to him during his life - a bust to the waist with an ice ax in his head ... Traitors are always used.
    6. tomket
      tomket 26 January 2016 10: 42
      0
      Quote: Taygerus
      another liberal historian, they are already sick of spoiling paper

      Yes, no matter how he is not "one more", but perhaps one of the "most important". The rest of the Corned beef, Beshanovs and other "historians from the plow" are Rezun's hangers-on. And Rezun was engaged in falsification when the majority of members of the forum went to kindergarten.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 26 January 2016 09: 04
    +8
    Yes g ** he ... he is not a good person, in general, but with an eye on the psychology of an ordinary person - he writes correctly ... unfortunately.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 26 January 2016 09: 09
      12
      Quote: Lesovik
      He writes correctly ... unfortunately.

      Not competently, but fun. Or do you mean spelling? So this is all right - proofreaders and editors are trying smile In fact, Rezun's method of historical research is a method of "pulling an owl on the globe." Stupidly adjusts the facts to fit his concept, not ashamed of direct falsifications and inventions, while ignoring uncomfortable questions.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 26 January 2016 09: 37
        11
        Well, do not tell me, dear! I absolutely agree with your expression
        it is the method of "pulling an owl onto the globe". Stupidly adjusts the facts to fit his concept, not embarrassed by direct falsifications and inventions, while ignoring uncomfortable questions

        But I started reading the works of this author long before I had the opportunity to use the Internet and it turned out like in a joke: add 0,5 and 0,5 - I feel in my gut that a liter, but I don’t know how to express it mathematically))) So I also understand what is lying, but where exactly and in what I cannot find, because I am limited in the ability to search for information ... But many of those who read correctly written words believe without hesitation and do not feel their desires to double-check ... That's what I was talking about, and not about spelling, so it is likely that by the word "fascinating" you mean the same thing as I do in this case. under the word "competently"
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 26 January 2016 09: 05
    +7
    I guess I’m not discovering America, but if we talk about Suvorov, he is almost a “pioneer” in the large-scale falsification of the history of the Great Patriotic War in the vast expanses of the former USSR.


    Pioneer, I would say.
    1. ASK505
      ASK505 26 January 2016 09: 20
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      Pioneer, I would say.


      This trap Rezun was from the second echelon of traitors in recent history. The genius of the first spit was Solzhenitsyn.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 26 January 2016 09: 27
        +8
        Solzhenitsyn ... Not that level, I would say ... I think that if he hadn’t been banned, no one would have read his writings, and here the effect of the forbidden fruit turned out, in my opinion ...
  4. gla172
    gla172 26 January 2016 09: 06
    +7
    We know this Rezun, how many people misled .... Traitor, provocateur, ENEMY of the people .... in the 37th Koba knew what to do with such ....
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 26 January 2016 09: 07
    +3
    test, craft and profession are two big differences, as they say in Odessa ...
  6. guzik007
    guzik007 26 January 2016 09: 08
    +7
    The author is strong !!! In two lines, well, just defeated and destroyed! Truly brevity is the sister of talent.
    And he could have killed it even stronger with one phrase: Rezun -!
  7. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 26 January 2016 09: 08
    +2
    This scoundrel, who took the name of our national hero and the symbol of Russia, was cut into nuts by Alexei Isaev. Isaev - the present -)))
  8. domokl
    domokl 26 January 2016 09: 10
    14
    Well, what a manner. Take the crocodile by the tail and then let it go. As a preface to the work I agree. But then ... The reader himself will go look? I won’t go. simply because this Rezun is not interesting in Russia.
    1. Telemon
      Telemon 26 January 2016 09: 34
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Take the crocodile by the tail and then let it go. As a preface to the work I agree. But then ... The reader himself will go look?

      So that's the whole charm. The ending in the comments, and ...
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    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander 26 January 2016 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Take the crocodile by the tail and then let it go.


      With a "released" tail, the crocodile is more interesting ... lol
      1. domokl
        domokl 26 January 2016 13: 19
        +1
        belay hmm ... what do you have today with Romanov some kind of sexually anxious mood laughing Hello Alexander drinks
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 26 January 2016 20: 47
          0
          Quote: domokl
          belay hmm ... what do you have today with Romanov some kind of sexually anxious mood laughing Hello Alexander drinks


          Good day to you, Alexander! hi
          And why is there something sexy in the tail ?! belay
          I don’t see Romanov, unfortunately, he put me on a black list, although he asks me questions (I see indirectly, through other people's comments)request
  9. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 26 January 2016 09: 10
    10
    The traitor lived a calm and well-fed life abroad, his books are printed in Russia - is this normal? We only spit saliva, and potential traitors shake it off ..
    1. skylare
      skylare 26 January 2016 09: 17
      10
      And he is far from alone. Some of Russia do not need to leave in order to spoil their heads. And we - nothing, we’ll rub off. Once again.
  10. Nitarius
    Nitarius 26 January 2016 09: 15
    0
    You need to look at these without looking at the WALLS. This story teaches well!
  11. rusmat73
    rusmat73 26 January 2016 09: 16
    +6
    unfortunately (since the 90s), many students and not only believe in this nonsense ... request
    and it’s very difficult for them to explain that these are the fantasies of these paper scrappers and their role — to pour more nasty things on us and you — so that we could not be proud of our ancestors and our own country! yes
    and with this extortion of our history by all sorts of false witters we must fight !!! it is necessary to show at whose expense they live and why we are blamed. hi
    and more Soviet films: both feature and documentary !!! so that the people again begin to be proud of their homeland and seeks not to shame the memory of their ancestors, and that the children should not be ashamed. hi
  12. MKP
    MKP 26 January 2016 09: 16
    0
    Yes, he has long been seriously unread by anyone, this asshole.
  13. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 January 2016 09: 17
    +3
    Judas will always remain Judas, even if his name is Rezun-Suvorov.
  14. kursk87
    kursk87 26 January 2016 09: 18
    +1
    It's not enough to hang this deceitful "historian"! No one has the right to denigrate the feat of the Soviet people in the struggle against fascism. Before attacking the USSR, Germany enslaved not a single country and we were not going to stop there.
  15. svu93
    svu93 26 January 2016 09: 18
    +7
    I admit, in my youth I read, I even liked something. Then he began to analyze, compare. I realized another g .... wrapped in a beautiful wrapper.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 26 January 2016 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: svu93
      I admit, in my youth I read, I even liked something. Then he began to analyze, compare. I realized another g .... wrapped in a beautiful wrapper.

      Well, at least he encouraged you to analyze and study topics, and not just you.
      1. nekot
        nekot 26 January 2016 11: 33
        +4
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Well, at least he encouraged you to analyze

        Someone moved and someone believed and did not check, and lives with the conviction imposed by Rezun (read the comments on the topic, 3-4 people just unpretentiously repeat his argument)
  16. taseka
    taseka 26 January 2016 09: 19
    +1
    Your fate, a traitor, shrinking from fear and clinging to sticky sweat - sniffing the exhaust fumes of fighter jets for ever and ever and waiting for polonium in a teapot - Judas !!!
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 26 January 2016 09: 24
      +2
      Your fate, a traitor, shrinking from fear and clinging to sticky sweat - sniffing the exhaust fumes of fighter jets for ever and ever and waiting for polonium in a teapot - Judas !!!
      ----------------------------------------
      But. Truly enchanting explosion of fantasy. The monitor is intact, I hope: =))
  17. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 January 2016 09: 19
    +8
    Some kind of unfinished article ...... Rezun the traitor, airfields, the end of the film. request
  18. Sober
    Sober 26 January 2016 09: 23
    0
    A lot of such scum bred in the post-Soviet space. I remember that after the terrorist attack on Dubrovka (Nord-Ost), when the special forces managed to save most of the spectators, there was a lawyer who offered to help the relatives of the victims not to return their relatives, not to console them, but how to get more money from the state (they say they saved poorly), which in those conditions made it almost impossible. And there were such relatives who wanted to "console themselves" with large sums. And this writer is of the same berry field as that lawyer. How the earth carries such scum!
    But you have to keep the answer. To everyone! Do not doubt!
    1. capitosha1rang
      capitosha1rang 26 January 2016 09: 57
      +3
      About the "answer".
      At the turn of the last century 80-90x, we laughed at the poem:
      Believe me, comrade, it will pass - and democracy and publicity,
      And then state security will remember your names!

      And, after all, everything goes to this ...
  19. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 26 January 2016 09: 23
    +4
    About the readiness of the USSR to attack Germany in July 1941. - these are inventions of Rezun and English propaganda, but in his "works" there is also a lot of interesting information taken from the documents of TsAMO RF declassified in the 90s.
    On the whole, his works are falsifications, but the "cry" of Soviet historians about the unpreparedness for war, about the "disarming strike of the Luftwaffe" is also not logical.
    1. nekot
      nekot 26 January 2016 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: mojohed2012
      the "cry" of Soviet historians about the unpreparedness for war, about the "disarming strike of the Luftwaffe" is also not logical.

      Read the memoirs of the same Zhukov - indeed the USSR in 1941 was not yet ready for war, and this is not a cry, but an objective reality that Stalin well understood.
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 27 January 2016 10: 51
        0
        Zhukov is a direct participant in the war. It is impossible not to believe him. But what is "preparedness for war"? How should a huge army behave, which in the western districts of the USSR was, if not more, then at least equal in capabilities and composition to the Wehrmacht troops ready to attack. And if our country was not so large that any enemy forces would dissolve inside it (Napoleon, the troops of Germany in the First World War)? These are all rhetorical questions, but the feat of our people, with the miscalculations of the generals, miscalculations of the political leadership and a bunch of other miscalculations, cannot be taken away from us. It was the people who won that war, despite all the estimates of Hitler and his cliques. This is me saying that no country can be ready for war if it does not possess the strategic and operational initiative and is the object of attack by enemy troops. It’s just, apparently, in those conditions and in that reality, when they demanded from above not to react to provocations, they were afraid to simply shoot back at first.
  20. Telemon
    Telemon 26 January 2016 09: 24
    0
    The worst thing is probably how many of their "rezunov" got divorced and bred.
  21. 222222
    222222 26 January 2016 09: 27
    0
    ..what the hell is SUVOROV !! .... He is here in a pseudonym .. sick with greatness .. and it’s so simple .. imaginary value ....
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 January 2016 09: 27
    +9
    Writes of course interesting, and "Icebreaker" and "Aquarium", etc., but to be honest, I read this literature and forgot the next day. And there is no normal, historically verified work about the Second World War. What our military leaders wrote in Soviet times cannot be assessed as true for obvious reasons. And in my opinion, not all archives are open yet. And let's say what is shown in films is not very credible. My uncle went to the front at 42 and returned only at 47. During the war he served in intelligence. Never told anything to anyone. And only when we were together, a couple of times I persuaded him. Trust me, it's scary.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 26 January 2016 10: 19
      +7
      Quote: Ros 56
      And only when we were alone, a couple of times I persuaded him. Believe me, this is scary.

      Because the war is real and described in memoirs rarely has in common.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 26 January 2016 11: 08
      +7
      Quote: Ros 56
      But there is no normal, historically verified work on the Second World War.

      This is our main problem.
      I am sure that 80% of Rezun’s commentators haven’t read. They just know that he is a traitor (by the way, he was sentenced in absentia to death). I read everything.
      While there is no single encyclopedia on the Second World War, much will be misinterpreted.
      I can recommend the book by A. Isaev "When there was no surprise." The book is depoliticized as much as possible. It simply describes what divisions and battalions did, lines and tasks. And that's it, no politics. It becomes clear from this book why! the Germans fizzled out on the approach to Moscow, because our troops fought fiercely all the time, for every settlement, for every line.
      If you ban Rezun, they will begin to read it even more.
      We need our own work, but this is for historians.
      The time has come.
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 26 January 2016 12: 31
        +3
        Quote: Barkhan
        We need our work, but it’s for historians who are specialists. The time has come.

        A. Isaev 25 works on the theme of the Second World War-from Isaev A.V., Drabkin A.V. June 22. The black day of the calendar. to The defeat of 1945. Battle for germany... There are also famous books "Antisuvorov".
        It is written very interestingly and absolutely without politics from the point of view of today's knowledge.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 12: 42
          0
          A. Isaev has 25 works on the subject of the Second World War - from Isaev A. V., Drabkin A. V. 22 June. Black day of the calendar. before the defeat of 1945. Battle of Germany. There are also famous books "Antisuvorov".
          It is written very interestingly and absolutely without politics from the point of view of today's knowledge.

          Absolutely correct. In addition, there are wonderful videos on the internet with Isaev's speeches, as well as Drabkin's speeches. Especially the series: "Life of the Soviet infantry, tankmen, pilots"!
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 26 January 2016 18: 05
          +2
          Yes, thanks to Alexander for reminding Drabkin. I have everything, both Isaev and Drabkin. But Drabkin is still a memoirist.
          All the same, we need a large encyclopedia of the Second World War, and necessarily depoliticized. This work will be a huge and honorable monument to our ancestors. And it is imperative to write only the truth, so that later you can calmly crush any "rezunov".
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 27 January 2016 04: 07
            0
            All the same, we need a large encyclopedia of the Second World War, and necessarily depoliticized. This work will be a huge and honorable monument to our ancestors. And it is imperative to write only the truth, so that later you can calmly crush any "rezunov".

            Unfortunately, propaganda in the USSR was handled very badly. The suppression of some facts (the nationalist movement in the USSR), the protrusion of others (28 Panfilovites), now, in the era of the Internet, is playing a cruel joke. We have to "prove" that there was a feat at the village of Dubosekov, and the fact that a company died there, and not 28 people, looks, sometimes for young people, as an excuse. Someone like Rezun simply took advantage of Suslov's propaganda flaws. I believe that it is not Alla Borisovna, Mikhalkova, and other "cultural figures" who should be awarded in the Kremlin, but such people as Isaev, Drabkin. Moreover, the orders of "Courage". What they are doing will not be appreciated now, but will be appreciated. Oh, thank you for your attention to my comments. hi
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 January 2016 12: 39
        +4
        "If you ban Rezun, they will start reading him even more." ////

        It's right. The more Rezun is refuted by pushing
        more on the fact that he is a traitor than on his books,
        so his books are more popular.
        Isaev is better than many other historians, but he also has enough
        "selective" history of the Second World War.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 17: 34
          0
          Isaev, trying to explain the catastrophe of 41, without fantasies. Including German tactics, opportunities. For example, with caliber shells, because our cannons were moving at the speed of a pedestrian. The Germans, really in 1941, were the best army in tactics and strategy. And, by this, they blocked, unfortunately, the USSR. Although, in some areas, they didn’t have such weapons.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 26 January 2016 23: 01
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            For example, with caliber shells, because our cannons were moving at the speed of a pedestrian


            This is not the main thing. Who and why destroyed the command staff before the war, then destroyed after the war, why were these atrocities needed during interrogations, which in the end would be achieved by such methods? NKVD, open the archives.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 January 2016 04: 22
              0
              This is not the main thing. Who and why destroyed the command staff before the war, then destroyed after the war, why were these atrocities needed during interrogations, which in the end would be achieved by such methods? NKVD, open the archives.

              I cannot open the archives. We need an order from the President. On account of "atrocities during interrogation", are these eyewitness memories? "Sonya the Golden Leg"? As Memorial and other persons who participated in the rehabilitation testify, the cases were formalized according to all the rules, that is, according to the legislation of the USSR at that time. The number of arrested and executed servicemen, and the truth is on the Internet. For what specifically, it is necessary to look at the criminal cases. And, here, the information is closed. But, the fact that not everyone was calculated is proved by Vlasov by his example. At the expense of the post-war arrests, it's hard to say, but there were officers and generals who confused the state's pocket and their own (trophies), and I think there were a lot of them.
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 26 January 2016 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Isaev is better than many other historians, but he also has enough
          "selective" history of the Second World War.

          That’s what our children didn’t have, and we need one truthful textbook.
          And, what can you think of excess in the basic postulates ...
          Hitler enslaved Europe.
          Hitler treacherously attacked the USSR.
          The Germans and their allies are responsible for tens of millions of deaths.
          The USSR assumed the MAIN burden and burdens of war.
          The bulk of the Wehrmacht and their allies were ground by the Soviet Army.
          The USSR freed half of Europe from the Nazis.
          We took Berlin.
          The biggest losses, especially among the civilian population, we suffered.
          This is an unbreakable truth.
          Anyone who begins to distort these basics, to the answer in all severity, as an accomplice to the Nazis. No more, no less.
        3. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 26 January 2016 19: 58
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Isaev is better than many other historians, but he also has enough
          "selective" history of the Second World War.

          ONE author cannot compile the history of the Great Patriotic War.
          A COLLECTIVE of authors is required.
          Tokma, neither "Stalinist" nor "Khrushchev" with an unfinished "Gorbachvsky" unfinished version of the Real History of the Second World War never became ...
          And all because the "party" line dominated in assessing what happened in 41 and 42. The CPSU was ashamed to convey to the citizens of the country of Soviets ALL the truth.
          And if there is no truth, there is no History of the Great Patriotic War.
  23. private person
    private person 26 January 2016 09: 29
    +1
    But don’t say it, but writes quite convincingly, and in 10 years I won’t be surprised if our history textbooks in schools interpret the history according to Rezun.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 26 January 2016 09: 46
      +7
      This can happen if we ourselves forget and don’t know our story !!!
  24. kapitan92
    kapitan92 26 January 2016 09: 29
    +7
    Quote: Nitarius
    You need to look at these without looking at the WALLS. This story teaches well!

    Penkovsky, Poleshchuk, Polyakov, Rezun, Kalugin - the names of the bastards who remembered.
    The first three were shot for treason and betrayal! The turn of the remaining "writers" will come.
  25. BOB044
    BOB044 26 January 2016 09: 34
    +2
    Any brehlo wants to enter as a person carrying the truth to the people. But in fact he is a nonsense.
  26. Signaller
    Signaller 26 January 2016 09: 38
    +6
    In principle, he may be lying, but the only way to convict him of this is to study history in more detail and draw conclusions yourself. I'm on the subject of "Icebreaker". and fit. I studied it myself. He has a lot of conclusions outright crap. But his book about the Cuban missile crisis and the Penkovsky case forced me to study our recent history. There is a lot of cognitive and already forgotten by many, and all of it is the 60s. and the actions of many of our politicians in those days, which have already been forgotten. how they wanted to overthrow Khrushchev and how they themselves betrayed. Their names cannot be found even in Wikipedia
  27. Citromon
    Citromon 26 January 2016 09: 42
    +3
    .
    More than 10 years ago, the book "Antisuvorov" was published, in which most of Rezun's arguments were refuted ...
    Any state, even before the 1st World War, is developing an offensive war plan (I don’t think dwarf countries that are preparing for defense, hoping to gain time when someone stands up for them). Therefore, the Soviet Union was preparing for an offensive war, and in accordance with this there was an alignment of forces and means, but this does not mean that the Union was going to attack first ...
  28. engineer74
    engineer74 26 January 2016 09: 42
    +5
    The main thing is that his work should not be put into the school curriculum!
    And he writes interestingly, he also cites facts, maybe even sincerely believes in his interpretation of events ...
    IMHO his point of view, not the most delusional way, has the right to exist. We have, it seems, a free country! Solzhenitsyn was forgiven 60 million, or so, personally shot by Beria, and Suvorov was kicked by everyone ...
    1. Heapoiss
      Heapoiss 2 February 2016 17: 14
      0
      "Solzhenitsyn was forgiven 60 million, or so, shot personally by Beria"
      So he, Solzhenitsyn, was declared the conscience of the era by some ...
  29. Abbra
    Abbra 26 January 2016 09: 43
    +3
    The fact that Rezun is a traitor, and his place near the wall - there is no dispute. That article that we are discussing here. naive and nothing at all, it seems, is understandable. But I would like to hear, I would even say - I am thirsty to hear FACTS testifying against his theory! Alas, they are not there either.
  30. Citromon
    Citromon 26 January 2016 09: 45
    +3
    Quote: Abbra
    The fact that Rezun is a traitor, and his place near the wall - there is no dispute. That article that we are discussing here. naive and nothing at all, it seems, is understandable. But I would like to hear, I would even say - I am thirsty to hear FACTS testifying against his theory! Alas, they are not there either.

    Read "Antisuvorov"
  31. Citromon
    Citromon 26 January 2016 09: 46
    +1
    Antisuvorov. Big lie little man
  32. V.ic
    V.ic 26 January 2016 09: 49
    +3
    Why is everyone so angry with the author of this article? The number of reconnaissance sorties = also an indicator of preparation for aggression! Unlike rezuns and others like them, J.V. Stalin, preparing the USSR for a future war, perfectly understood that when the USSR attacked Germany, world public opinion (by the way, an important fact, although not defining) would definitely be on the side of the "great Fuhrer of the German nation ", and the aid will not be for the USSR, but for Germany. Don't believe me? Then remember helping the Finns in the "winter war".
    Here's another snack: http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t18/t18_094.htm
    “Do you understand, Comrade Havinson, why do we need such a Statement?” I answered openly: "No, Comrade Stalin, I don’t understand." Then he said: “Let's say to Hitler: think again before you begin!”
    The reaction to the TASS Statement by the Nazi leadership is noteworthy: for example, on June 14, J. Goebbels wrote in his diary: “The TASS rebuttal turned out to be stronger than could be expected from the first reports. Obviously, Stalin wants, with the help of an emphatically friendly tone and claims that nothing is happening, to remove all possible reasons for accusing him of starting a war. ”
  33. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 26 January 2016 09: 51
    +5
    Breshet, who does not breeze Rezun - Suvorov?
    The question is not to the authors / commentators, born from 1970 and above, half of whom did not serve in the army.
    If it brechit, it is very convincing. Of course, with copyright additions and fabrications, in the end - his books FOR LOVERS. And for professionals what?
    Let us see Statistical Handbook No. 1, printed in 20 copies. (who doesn’t - I can send a scan on request and for free) and brainwash - what would it all be prepared for, how could it be used for peaceful purposes, and, if not peaceful, in which?
    And what clung to Rezun, Mr. Zaitsev? Well, traitor, so what? There were few of them, traitors and traitors, a disproportionately higher class and position? Write complaints to Yakovlev, Shevarnadze, Gorbachev, Kozyrev, Yeltsin, Chubais and so on. and so on. and so on.
    Rezun-Suvorov a traitor? Maybe yes or maybe no! Thanks to him, the whole damn West learned the truth and how much of his western stigma was in the cannon and how the Red Army really fought, how the Red Empire began to build up, how the leaders of the leading world powers worked for Joe's father (or their assistants, mistresses, hairdressers of beloved dogs).
    A traitor who took fire on himself and thereby aroused the most vivid interest of Westerners in real history - who is he really?
    Operations "Trust", "Trust-2", "Syndicate", etc. - Isn't it necessary to insert the operation "Rezun-Suvorov" into this row?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 January 2016 11: 04
      0
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      Breshet, chi does not breech Rezun


      And what, they began to talk on such a move in Ufa, but it’s interesting.
    2. nekot
      nekot 26 January 2016 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      Rezun-Suvorov a traitor? Maybe yes or maybe no! Thanks to him, the whole damn West learned the truth and how much of his western stigma was in the cannon and how the Red Army really fought, how the Red Empire began to build up, how the leaders of the leading world powers worked for Joe's father (or their assistants, mistresses, hairdressers of beloved dogs).

      Rezun is naturally a traitor, or do you now have a defector on the side of the enemy called something else ?? Did you read it yourself? Tales about the great and terrible invincible red armada, which the noble Hitler managed to get ahead of and thereby saved Western civilization. And of course, horror stories about Kremlin agents everywhere - by the way, now this is being repeated at a new level, the same nonsense in the Western press about Putin. What kind of fire did Rezun take over ??? Why this conspiracy theories?
  34. Valdis
    Valdis 26 January 2016 09: 52
    -1
    I read all Rezun. Especially about the fact of the attack on us without declaring war. They say the Germans handed us an official document, but we do not remember and did not take it. Rosenberg was shot for this, because he insisted on the declaration of war.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 26 January 2016 10: 35
      +3
      Yes, Count Schulenburg was handing something to our leadership with trembling hands, but a few hours before the German troops invaded the territory of the USSR and bombed our military facilities to the full! So what kind of declaration of war is the chatter here? Much has been said about this in open sources, who are interested in looking ...
  35. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 26 January 2016 10: 00
    +2
    A typical representative of the liberal public, guided by the postulate, the dirtier about Russia, and especially about its history, the better.
  36. triglav
    triglav 26 January 2016 10: 14
    +2
    The people, in order to talk about whether Rezun is right or not, need to read the documents. At least available in the public domain. And read them carefully. Rezun works very famously with quotes: he rips out of them what he doesn't need, while not indicating in any way in the quote, and changes the meaning of the document. Stalin was not: he perfectly understood that the Army and the state were not ready for war. What the first months of the German offensive showed. And the cleaning of the command ranks did not go unnoticed. So Suvorych is an ordinary bastard, people like him are very "loved" in England. True, people like him are then ruthlessly thrown into the trash (literally and figuratively). Actually, there they go!
  37. Jackking
    Jackking 26 January 2016 10: 19
    0
    Yes, do not pay attention to this miscarriage, and he himself will disappear ...
  38. dengy12
    dengy12 26 January 2016 10: 32
    +3
    if the rezun is lying, explain to me why the airfields stuffed with aircraft were located at the very borders?
    1. rusmat73
      rusmat73 26 January 2016 10: 45
      +2
      in my opinion everything is simple - to protect your border yes
      do not forget that Hitler had already captured almost the whole of Europe ... he launched his hand into Africa and Tibet ... and they began to sculpt a fool and a tyrant from Stalin after we defeated the Nazis - the Anglo-Saxons became frightened lol
      that's where all the troubles of Russia come from. My personal opinion. hi
    2. arnulla
      arnulla 26 January 2016 12: 01
      +1
      Well, probably not all airfields are "near the border." This is the first. Second, and where else are they to be located, beyond the Ural Mountains?
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 26 January 2016 12: 15
      +2
      if the reason is lying, then explain to me the ram,
      Do you want to justify your definition? Do you think the USSR did not know about the concentration of troops of Nazi Germany? But why didn’t they disperse, this is another question.
  39. Scud
    Scud 26 January 2016 10: 52
    +1
    There is something good in every bad thing. Yes, a traitor. But we betrayed the great homeland of the USSR. There are a lot of such moments in his books and how to conduct a discussion with opponents. For example, on TV shows, there is a dispute between stubborn maydauns and growing up. For statements by Bendera that Russia has sent troops to Donetsk, you must immediately agree and immediately ask a question. For example, why bring troops and keep them there for years, etc. When answering a question, you can easily crush dill scum without screaming.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 26 January 2016 12: 17
      0
      Russia sent troops to Donetsk, you must immediately agree and immediately ask a question ,,
      Have you tried talking to a pillar? I assure you, the result is the same.
    2. Heapoiss
      Heapoiss 2 February 2016 17: 22
      0
      "you need to immediately agree and immediately ask a question"
      Conducting dialogues with idiots is a dangerous business! You can "fall" to their level, and there they will crush them with their "intelligence"!
  40. Mera joota
    Mera joota 26 January 2016 10: 52
    +1
    Abstracting from the hatred of the author to Suvorov. The author claims the following:
    Rezun-Suvorov does not provide any information testifying to the fact that the Red Army conducted reconnaissance measures by the same air reconnaissance forces in the interests of this invasion. Even a person superficially familiar with military affairs knows that any military operation requires preliminary reconnaissance, not to mention major operations. Especially when it comes to attacking another country. How to plan targeting strikes without preliminary reconnaissance, Mr. Rezun ?!

    Well, it is probably strange to ask such questions here, because somehow I did not notice the participation of V.B. Rezun in the local debate. If the question is directed to society, then I have a counter question. Where did the author get the idea that the Red Army did NOT conduct intelligence activities against Nazi Germany? Just because VB Rezun did not indicate this?
  41. avva2012
    avva2012 26 January 2016 10: 55
    0
    About the books of the traitor Victor Rezun Suvorov Nikolay Starikov

  42. tolancop
    tolancop 26 January 2016 10: 59
    +5
    An article about anything.
    But Rezuna read, writes interestingly, kanalya ... I won’t scold him, because when reading his creations, the need to turn on the head and critically interpret what was written (and not take everything on faith) has not been canceled.
  43. Avtopilot
    Avtopilot 26 January 2016 11: 05
    -6
    that Starikov, that Rezun - two lies-propaganda.
  44. Des10
    Des10 26 January 2016 11: 07
    +4
    The article is amateurish and frankly weak in comparison with the books of the traitor Rezun.
    And what was said is like: "This article threatens to be very long if I take on the analysis of all the" flights "of Viktor Bogdanovich. Instead, I will dwell, as I believe, on the main thing in his" works. "
    And after that, three short paragraphs with an unconvincing "revelation".
    Why is this in VO? And yes, a patriotic article. smile .
    The minus article is the scope per ruble, and the throw is cheap.
  45. NordUral
    NordUral 26 January 2016 11: 09
    +2
    For a long time the ice ax has been bored for this reason, a little one like this nasty traitor. But I myself was first seduced by his foul tales. Thanks to the Internet with its ability to search for reliable information, dispelled!
  46. Vovanya
    Vovanya 26 January 2016 11: 16
    +7
    Rezun writes not historical books, but fiction! and his point of view is his author's vision of the situation, and whoever disagrees - write your books. But nobody writes, but only criticizes "from around the corner" and in absentia, pulling out some single facts, tk. knowledge is not enough. Any book is 90% of the author's fiction (if not 100%). Rezun is a talented writer (this is no doubt), just like Pikul, he gives food for the mind, the logic in his reasoning is good, you rarely find this. But his work should be treated as art, and then you will not have to break copies.
    If we blame him for betrayal, then we have many "traitors" even in today's establishment, but they are alive and well and do not know grief, and we still need to see who is more dangerous.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 29
      0
      Any book is 90% of author's fiction (if not 100%). Rezun is a talented writer (this is without a doubt), just like Pikul, he provides food for the mind, the logic in his reasoning is good, you rarely see this. But his work must be treated as an art and then you do not have to break copies.

      Pikul was a writer. He did not promote anything. Rezun is lying, he is manipulating facts, not fantasizing. His books are sabotage. One has only to admit that Stalin was preparing aggression, that fascism and communism are twin brothers (as Rezun writes about), then the consequences for the country are devastating. Don't you know that then you will need to not only repent, but also pay. Are you so naive, or?
    2. arnulla
      arnulla 26 January 2016 12: 09
      0
      No, don’t worry people, the reason-brain presents its writings precisely as historical. Here I jerked it, pulled it out of context, put it down, said something somewhere, and frankly misinterpreted it, and ... this or that historical fact looks completely -other. Some still believe and are doing this. Your example of this is confirmation ...
  47. Papin
    Papin 26 January 2016 11: 27
    +1
    rare this Rezun!
    Although at first I was impressed by his work, and, in principle, his books redirected my reading interest to journalism.
    To understand anything, it is imperative to read his books, just to see how any fact can be "distorted" for your own benefit.
    And everyone chooses the benefit for himself, to whom money is and who needs patriotic education. pride in the country and the memory of the ancestors.
  48. Leader
    Leader 26 January 2016 11: 46
    -1
    Rezun expressed his assumptions about the Second World War, which no one was able to refute, and least of all the so-called "succeeded" in this. "Russian historical science".
    Rezun's logic is more convincing than the myths and tales of our "historians".
    For 70 years Russian "researchers" have not been able to explain the reasons for the pulling together of a huge number of troops and supplies to the border zone in 1941, and hence we have all the catastrophic consequences for the Red Army and the country ...
    For 70 years we have not even created a "History of the Great Patriotic War". There is no it! There is only a huge layer of scattered mythological stories about heroism and dedication, valor and courage ...
    Rezun has repeatedly invited Russian "historians" to conduct an open dialogue on the air - about the reasons and the course of the Second World War. But Russian "historians" deny ... laughing
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 26 January 2016 11: 53
      +1
      Rezun has repeatedly invited Russian "historians" to conduct an open dialogue on the air - about the reasons and the course of the Second World War. But Russian "historians" deny it ..

      You can mess up, this time. He, who is their equal? These are two. Following your logic, let’s arrange a meeting of doctors and sorcerers of Papua New Guinea. And that they treat these, as it were, too, professionals.
    2. nekot
      nekot 26 January 2016 12: 09
      +3
      П
      Quote: Leader
      Rezun expressed his assumptions about the Second World War, which no one was able to refute, and least of all the so-called "succeeded" in this. "Russian historical science".

      Take an interest in Isaev’s labors
    3. arnulla
      arnulla 26 January 2016 12: 12
      +2
      What are you saying?)) Really no one could refute? If you do not know about something, this does not mean that it is not
  49. user3970
    user3970 26 January 2016 11: 49
    +6
    A painful topic for me. Actually, in vain, with such foam, they pounced on Rezun - Suvorov. This person really piqued the interest of many in alternative unofficial history. You somehow missed the information about how, in the times of YOBN, the state archives of the USSR-Russia, including the KGB, were sold to the West in thousands of volumes for foreign currency by officials. And ask, can a professional historian get into the state archives of the Ministry of Defense in Podolsk today, which is now being actively destroyed? Do you know what is the difference between Rezun and any military historian of Russia? the first has the opportunity to use ANY DOCUMENTS ON THE USSR AND RUSSIA, which are and have long been digitized in the archives of the USA and Great Britain, tk. these countries do not need these documents for the past time, and the Russian historian sucks his paw. For me, as a person interested in the history of Russia, the following facts of the behavior of the president of the country, falsifying the history of Russia, are much more alarming. 1) Apology of VVP to the Poles for the execution of officers near Katyn by the NKVD in 1941. But even the International European Court of Justice admitted that there was no such fact (the Poles rushed there at a gallop to receive compensation). 2) The proposal of the GDP to study the "works" of Solzhenitsyn at school. The labors of a military deserter and camp informer? Baron Munchausen? 3) a monument on Red Square to the "butcher" Zhukov, and now there is also a film about him on CT! Somehow everyone forgot that at the beginning of the Second World War, Zhukov was the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces and only thanks to his command did the Germans reach Moscow. There was such a "conspiracy of generals" in the history of Russia. So it’s a pity that Stalin didn’t shoot all the generals and marshals then. Zhukov and Tymoshenko regretted. And you say Suvorov-Rezun. Well done he is! we learned a lot thanks to him.
    1. nekot
      nekot 26 January 2016 12: 07
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      Quote: user3970
      1) The apology of the GDP to the Poles for the execution of officers near the Katyn by the NKVD officers in 1941.

      Please indicate when and where Putin apologized to the Poles for Katyn, otherwise you will have to admit that this is a lie.
      Quote: user3970
      Somehow everyone forgot that at the beginning of the Second World War, Zhukov was the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces and only thanks to his command did the Germans reach Moscow. There was such a "conspiracy of generals" in the history of Russia.

      As for Zhukov, do you know the history of the Second World War or did you study only from Rezun’s books? And of course, Stalin was and put Zhukov on the most difficult sectors exclusively to lose the war, but it was not lucky))) You can think for yourself, and not Rezun?
      1. Gorodovik
        Gorodovik 26 January 2016 12: 53
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        Quote: nekot
        As for Zhukov, do you know the history of the Second World War or did you study only from Rezun’s books? And of course, Stalin was and put Zhukov on the most difficult sectors exclusively to lose the war, but it was not lucky))) You can think for yourself, and not Rezun?

        You should refresh your knowledge of history. What are the most difficult sections7 Defense of Leninrad7 Well, by the time the Germans appointed him, they had not stopped attacking the lenigrad. Rzhev operations. Already 3 pieces are unsuccessful. And whoever commanded there7 Storming of Berlin7 Well, so everyone knows the background. The defense of Moscow is perhaps the only operation. But again, he was ready to surrender it. Zhukov is a good staffer no more. And he was good friends with the authorities.
        1. nekot
          nekot 26 January 2016 14: 29
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          Quote: Cityman
          Defense of Leninrad7 Well, by the time the Germans appointed him, they had not stopped attacking the lenigrad.

          On September 17, advanced units of the enemy break through to the Gulf of Finland west of Leningrad, cutting off the forces of the 8th Army from the main forces of the front. Oranienbaum bridgehead is formed west of the city. The next day, the Germans capture Slutsk and break into Pushkin.

          The situation seemed critical, and Zhukov took extreme measures, hoping above all to restore confidence in the forces and capabilities to the troops
          On September 25, the headquarters of Army Group Sever informed the German High Command that it was unable to continue the attack on Leningrad with the forces at its disposal. For the first time during the war, German forces were forced to move from a strategic offensive to a long position siege.
          After the stabilization of the front near Leningrad, Zhukov was recalled to the central direction of the Soviet-German front.
          I repeat again. if you consider yourself smarter than Stalin, then these are your views, but not a fact))
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 15: 50
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          Quote Townman Rzhev operations. Already 3 Pieces unsuccessful. And who was there commanding the 7 Storm of Berlin7

          At the expense of the Rzhev operation, there is an opinion, again of historians, that if it were not for Rzhev, it is not known how the battle of Stalingrad would end. Yes, the losses are not small, no doubt, but if you consider what would happen if the Germans tore the country's oil artery, then it somehow becomes chilly.
          About Berlin. Storming a city of this size, security, with such relatively small losses and at such a time !? Are you kidding me? If you think about it, then Zhukov is a genius. On Georgy Konstantinovich, it was not Rezun who began to shit, but the most important mythologist, the "maize". First, Stalin, then Beria, and for a snack, G.K. Zhukov.
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 26 January 2016 16: 00
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          Quote Townman Zhukov is a good staffer no more. And he was good friends with the authorities.

          Without friendship with the authorities, that's just not how. Life is like that. And at the expense of the "staff officer", so, you complimented G.K. Zhukov. Rezun, on the contrary, realizing what he was writing about, accused Zhukov that in staff work, he was not completely naked. Read less Russophobes and traitors. Some of them are like worms. They live in opera, and their cysts can be thrown into the brain.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 January 2016 15: 26
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      Quote: user3970
      And you say Suvorov-Rezun. Well done he!

      The defector who sold the country that raised him and learned it has never said anything honestly against her. And these examples of defectors and traitors only in Soviet history abound.
    3. arnulla
      arnulla 26 January 2016 21: 05
      +1
      There is no alternative story. The story is always the same. The interpretation of the story is different, depending on time and the political situation. That’s a reason and demonstrates ...
  50. nekot
    nekot 26 January 2016 11: 54
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    To the defenders of Rezun: just read the preface to "Icebreaker" - the purpose of writing this "opus" is very clearly described there, and this is not an attempt to find the truth.