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Syrian war once again demonstrated the terrible power of the Russian "Vampire"

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Syrian war once again demonstrated the terrible power of the Russian "Vampire"



The Russian anti-tank grenade launcher "Vampire" has become a real nightmare for tankers in many countries of the world. Despite the fact that the RPG-29 was adopted by the Soviet Army more than a quarter of a century ago, most of it can be easily destroyed even now. tanksconsisting of armies.

The weight of the grenade launcher is just over 12 kg. The length in the combat position - to 1850 mm. The initial speed of the grenade is up to 255 m / s. Aim range shot - up to 500 m. Armor penetration - more than 650 mm armored steel for dynamic protection.

For the first time, “Vampire” was talked about in November 2005, when fighters from the Lebanese Hezbollah movement attacked Israelis. As a result, IDF experts were at the disposal of the wreckage of jet grenades, which were identified as Vampire rocket grenades. Due to the presence of a tandem cumulative warhead, PG-29В shots were rated as very dangerous weapon against the Merkava tanks, including the fourth model. The Israelis accused Syria of supplying these anti-tank weapons to a friendly Shiite group.

At this time, the Israelis were already working on the Trophy active defense complex, but they did not have time to bring it to the next aggravation on the Lebanese-Israeli border in July 2006. As a result, Israeli tank columns invaded southern Lebanon, where they faced fierce resistance from Hezbollah, which actively began to use various anti-tank weapons, including the Vampire RPG.

9 August 2006, the Israelis, who suffered significant losses in the tanks, attacked Russia, which, they say, could not "control their supplies to Syria." Israeli soldiers allegedly managed to capture the RPG-29. Photos of these trophies appeared on the Web.

After the failure of the Israeli operation in Lebanon, "Vampires" "surfaced" already in Iraq: for example, at the beginning of 2007, the deputy commander of the US troops in Iraq
Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno reported that the Shiite rebels had received an RPG-29 from Iran. This, apparently, is a copy of a Russian grenade launcher, the production of which was established in the Islamic Republic. Although the Iranians themselves, however, like the Syrians, have always denied arms shipments to Iraq.



After that, most of the losses in armored vehicles, if, of course, they were not blown up by land mines, were attributed to these anti-tank grenade launchers. Americans did not want to admit that their "best in the world" Abrams "could easily be knocked out of the old RPG-7.



The most famous was the case of defeat of the tank "Challenger-2". The rocket-propelled grenade hit the lower frontal part of the hull and, breaking the dynamic defenses, seriously wounded the leg of the tank driver, who became disabled. His family sued the British Ministry of Defense, they accused the military department of Her Majesty that their relative was convinced of the invulnerability of this tank. In addition to the driver, two more crew members were injured.

Once again about the "Vampires" remembered during the war in Syria. This country received them at the end of the 90's. During the fighting, the facts of the defeat of the T-72 tanks from RPG-29 were noted. Moreover, not only T-72М1, but also T-72AB, equipped with the first-generation dynamic protection “Contact-1”, were hit. As a rule, the hit of the grenade's reactive grenades led to fatal consequences: an explosion of ammunition and loss of crews. It is worth noting that the armor used in Syria so far has not received effective protection against RPG-29 type grenade launchers.

Unfortunately, despite its high efficiency, the Vampire still has not found wide use in the Russian army, although at present it is considered to be one of the best military experts in the world.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 24 January 2016 07: 10
    33
    Unfortunately, despite the high efficiency of the "Vampire" still not widely used the Russian army, although at present it is considered by leading military experts as one of the best in the world.


    Fortunately, after 1943 in the Russian expanses, where the military units of the RF Armed Forces are mainly deployed, tank battles (except for tank biathlon) have not yet been observed ... laughing

    Let it lie in a case for the time being ...
    soldier
    1. severniy
      severniy 24 January 2016 09: 34
      +6
      The Israelis accused Syria of supplying these anti-tank weapons to a friendly Shiite group.

      the Israelis, who suffered significant losses in tanks, unleashed their anger on Russia, which, they say, could not "control its supplies to Syria"

      but based on this material
      it is possible that in the Middle East "our partners" traded in copies, and even trade ...
      1. umah
        umah 24 January 2016 20: 47
        +4
        Unfortunately, despite its high efficiency, the Vampire still has not found wide use in the Russian army, although at present it is considered to be one of the best military experts in the world.

        Well, actually, the RPG-30 is being delivered to the Russian army, which has the ability to overcome KAZ. And the RPG-29 does not have this capability.
    2. Army1
      Army1 24 January 2016 23: 29
      +1
      Here the Abrams also burn and not worse.
  2. Professor
    Professor 24 January 2016 07: 16
    -13 qualifying.
    On August 9, 2006, the Israelis, who suffered significant losses in tanks ...

    No, not tangible, but I would even say disastrous. fool
    9 August
    Around 11: 00 "Merkava" MK.2 of the 847-th armored brigade was in the area of ​​the village of Aita a-Shaab. The tank lost track due to a technical breakdown or simply stood still, and at that moment an ATGM hit it. The whole crew died: Gilad Shtokelman (company commander and tank commander), Nir Cohen, Nimrod Segev and Noam Goldman. According to another version, Gilad was outside the tank, at this time he was replaced by a loader in the place of the tank commander. The tank hit a land mine, with the explosion a tower being broken, the loader was killed, the rest of the crew were injured. Gilad climbed back onto the tank and began to help the wounded, at that moment the tank was hit by ATGMs, Gilad and the wounded were killed.

    Total 1 (one) tank.

    Noteworthy is the use of RPG-29 by Gadget on Gaza by Merkava IV on July 22nd, 2014.


    At this time, the Israelis were already working on the Trophy active protection complex, but they did not manage to bring it to mind before another aggravation on the Lebanese-Israeli border in July 2006

    Not true. KAZ had already been brought to mind by then. There was simply no money to equip them with tanks.

    After the failure of the Israeli operation in Lebanon,

    What kind of failure does the author talk about? Israel in 2005 could not even dream of such luck. The northern border of Israel has since been quiet and calm.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 24 January 2016 07: 22
      24
      One shot, one tank, is it bad statistics?
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 January 2016 07: 29
        -47 qualifying.
        Quote: Shark Lover
        One shot, one tank, is it bad statistics?

        You probably confused with this tank:

        Merkava in the video above was not affected. request
        1. Charik
          Charik 24 January 2016 08: 02
          +1
          and how did it tear him so
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2016 08: 06
            -29 qualifying.
            Quote: Charik
            and how did it tear him so

            RPG-29 KEP fellow
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 24 January 2016 09: 16
              27
              Quote:
              Not true. KAZ had already been brought to mind by then. There was simply no money to equip them with tanks

              Here are the ugly Lebanese! Did not wait until the money appears in Israel, treacherously attacked! truth Israeli tank columns invade southern Lebanon, but this does not plead with the Lebanese perfidy ... yes
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 24 January 2016 09: 53
              32
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Charik
              and how did it tear him so

              RPG-29 KEP fellow

              Professor, can Merkava do that?
            3. Trigger-Happy
              Trigger-Happy 24 January 2016 13: 49
              +1
              Do not la la, in this video there was an explosion of a shell in the breech when trying to shoot. The explosion was from the inside and the detonation of the BC followed accordingly. The vampire has nothing to do with it!
            4. yugan
              yugan 24 January 2016 22: 59
              10
              Oh, the Jewish diaspora became more active in the person of the professor (although has anyone seen his scientific works on the defense of such a high scientific title?), As soon as they were touched for "living", that is, for the fact that they are the type of people "chosen" and, in principle, can not do anything shitty. Citizens who consider themselves Jewish (I am addressing this because I consider this "citizenship" to be a state of mind) why do you not have gratitude to Comrade Stalin? Or have you lost the memory of who you owe your statehood to? And to remind you how you "honestly" repaid Russia for its support?
              Sorry for the emotionality, but the opinion of a "specialist" by whom a "professor" is positioning himself is the delusion of a certain person who has very relative notions about the actual use of weapons. (if participated, let him voice where?). And doing PR of Israeli weapons in Russia is at least stupid. So this sent "Cossack" has other goals. We draw conclusions - what?
        2. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 24 January 2016 11: 36
          15
          And did anyone shoot at the "Merkava" at all, except for elbow pads or throwing coins? It seems to me, don't let the Germans drink as much as 72 sips in their lifetime. He fights with the natives there, the best tank on paper and according to the performance characteristics given in the media.
        3. aquatic
          aquatic 24 January 2016 13: 59
          +9
          hello and again professor) with the return.
          As far as I know, the IDF recognizes the loss of 46 tanks, of course, the author clearly didn’t express himself in more than one selected day, 46 this is not a little considering that it is more than 10% of the tanks involved, with more than 10 times the superiority of the forces, it was swinging over the enemy.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2016 14: 07
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: aquatic
            As far as I know, the IDF recognizes the loss of 46 tanks,

            Not loss, but "defeat". Those. hit 45 tanks. Irrecoverable losses amounted to 5 tanks. hi
            1. tacet
              tacet 24 January 2016 14: 23
              16
              45 hits - irretrievable losses of 5 cars.
              It seems that Israel has borrowed a system for classifying equipment losses from the Wehrmacht !?
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 January 2016 14: 26
                -22 qualifying.
                Quote: tacet
                45 hits - irretrievable losses of 5 cars.
                It seems that Israel has borrowed a system for classifying equipment losses from the Wehrmacht !?

                It seems that a tank with scratched paint in Tsahal is not considered irretrievable loss.
                1. tacet
                  tacet 25 January 2016 01: 57
                  +6
                  Let's stop misleading readers.
                  In the end, in August 2006, some Amir Peretz and Avi Dichter officially admitted that in a week of hostilities in Lebanon, the Israeli army lost three dozen Merkava tanks. It is of course clear that they cannot reliably know this - the positions are not the same! After all, the first at that time was the Minister of Defense, but the second Minister of Homeland Security was a small fry.
                  And then anyone who is familiar with the term "combat effectiveness coefficient" can say that the RPG-7 had 0,3, I believe the RPG-29 will be higher.
                  1. yugan
                    yugan 25 January 2016 08: 17
                    +3
                    In terms of the effectiveness of the RPG-7 (and the vampire too), it is worth noting such an interesting thing - the value ratio (it was here that the Jews hurt the "live", then the bish for the finances laughing ) How much is a vampire (or RPG-7) and how much is a merkava? And how much does it cost to train a skilled grenade launcher, and how much is the tank crew?
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 25 January 2016 08: 42
                    -4
                    Quote: tacet
                    In the end, in August 2006, some Amir Peretz and Avi Dichter officially admitted that in a week of hostilities in Lebanon, the Israeli army had lost three dozen Merkava tanks.

                    And do you have a link to their "official recognition"? Especially on Dichter.
                    1. Amnestied
                      Amnestied 25 January 2016 11: 18
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      And do you have a link to their "official recognition"? Especially on Dichter.

                      So the professor requires a link, that is, to provide evidence, and no one, no one Karl, calls this trivial? HEY GROSS CAPUT, DAD WITH NUMBERS, THE LORD OF Wrath IS THAT DOUBLE STANDARDS, OR AGAIN I TROLL? laughing
            2. aquatic
              aquatic 24 January 2016 16: 11
              12
              this defeat was not "hit", and in half of the cases, penetration into the fighting compartment often resulted in the death or severe injuries of the crew, the rest of the cases were not scratched either.

              not irrevocable because they removed the pile of iron and restored.
              http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/history/2nd-lebanon-war/acv-losses/
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 January 2016 16: 17
                -15 qualifying.
                Quote: aquatic
                this defeat was not "hit", and in half of the cases, penetration into the fighting compartment often resulted in the death or severe injuries of the crew, the rest of the cases were not scratched either.

                The wounded fighter is replaced by a comrade and again into battle. So it was, tech now and it will be so.

                Quote: aquatic
                not irrevocable because they removed the pile of iron and restored.

                Why restore a pile of iron?
                1. aquatic
                  aquatic 25 January 2016 08: 36
                  +5
                  if the vampire entered the fighting compartment) just replacing the wounded will not help) the tank will not go)

                  but the photo is cool) good
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 25 January 2016 08: 44
                    -6
                    Quote: aquatic
                    if the vampire entered the fighting compartment) just replacing the wounded will not help) the tank will not go)

                    Why? Offended and not going? laughing
                    1. aquatic
                      aquatic 25 January 2016 09: 03
                      +3
                      question ... I suspect that the second cumulative part will cause damage in the fighting compartment that is not compatible with the movement of the tank, but I did not find statistics, if there is one, it will be interesting.
    2. Amnestied
      Amnestied 24 January 2016 14: 46
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      Noteworthy is the use of RPG-29 by Gadget on Gaza by Merkava IV on July 22nd, 2014.

      Professor, and where can you see that it was RPG 29 "vampire"?
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 January 2016 14: 59
        -21 qualifying.
        Quote: Amnestied
        Professor, and where can you see that it was RPG 29 "vampire"?

        So say those who shot and those who shot.
        1. Amnestied
          Amnestied 24 January 2016 15: 10
          15
          Quote: Professor
          So say those who shot and those who shot.

          Professor, well, you understand that this does not work for serious people! Respect the members of the forum, show us the facts that it was RPG29, and we will discuss it, share our thoughts, enjoy the advanced protection of the carrot, so to speak. And then OBS (one grandmother said) will turn out, we must believe the facts and only facts, dear professor!
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2016 15: 17
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: Amnestied
            Professor, well, you understand that it doesn’t work with serious people!

            Alzadin Al Qassam state that on the video posted by them shooting from RPG-29. It was THEY who shot and it was THEY who posted this video. Believe it or not.
            1. Amnestied
              Amnestied 24 January 2016 15: 28
              14
              Quote: Professor
              Alzadin Al Qassam state that on the video posted by them shooting from RPG-29. It was THEY who shot and it was THEY who posted this video. Believe it or not.

              Professor, I can also say that the earth stands on three pillars, but you won’t believe me! These are all words. Once you have posted the video and claim that it was RPG 29, then present the proof thereof, and if you do not have evidence, this gives me the right to think that you are putting it mildly, wishful thinking. And if it’s tough, then you are engaged in manipulations, propaganda, information stuffing and firing up on this resource.

              PS I am waiting for irrefutable evidence from you that the RPG22 "Vampire" was used against the Merkava tank on June 2014, 29. I think the "topvora" community is waiting with me!
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 January 2016 15: 35
                -10 qualifying.
                Quote: Amnestied
                . Once you have posted the video and claim that it was RPG 29, then present the proof thereof, and if you do not have evidence, this gives me the right to think that you are putting it mildly, wishful thinking.

                In the video made by the militants in Arabic it is written that the shelling is conducted by RPG-29. Militants repeatedly demonstrated RPG-29. Tsahal also claims that his armored vehicles were subjected to shelling by RPG-29. Captured trophies RPG-29. Show you serial numbers and invoices?

                Quote: Amnestied
                And if it’s tough, then you are engaged in manipulations, propaganda, information stuffing and firing up on this resource.

                Please contact the administration of the resource. hi
                1. Amnestied
                  Amnestied 24 January 2016 15: 41
                  15
                  Quote: Professor
                  In the video made by the militants in Arabic it is written that the shelling is conducted by RPG-29. Militants repeatedly demonstrated RPG-29. Tsahal also claims that his armored vehicles were subjected to shelling by RPG-29. Captured trophies RPG-29. Show you serial numbers and invoices?


                  That is, you have no proof! All you have is an inscription in Arabic and a repeated demonstration by the RPG29 militants! So, on June 22, 2014, any other RPG could have been used against the Merkava, and your statements that the Merkava is holding the RPG29 "Vampire" are groundless! I am satisfied! professor, you screwed up laughing
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 January 2016 15: 50
                    -15 qualifying.
                    Quote: Amnestied
                    That is, you have no proof! All you have is an inscription in Arabic and a repeated demonstration by the RPG29 militants! So, on June 22, 2014, any other RPG could be used against the Merkava, and your statements that the Merkava is holding the RPG29 "Vampire" are groundless!

                    Well, in principle, there is no evidence that it is a Merkava or a tank in general. There is no evidence that Israeli tanks were in Gaza on June 22nd, 2014. Maybe against what looks like a tank that can be anyone, anything was used. Maybe it was an atomic bomb. laughing And then all the words and statements. So those who shot and those who shot.

                    Quote: Amnestied
                    I am satisfied!

                    Thank God. And then I already began to strain about your dissatisfaction. wink

                    Quote: Amnestied
                    Professor, you screwed up

                    Yes, I'm glad to get so screwed up every day. If only we had no losses in armored vehicles. hi
                    1. Lord of Wrath
                      Lord of Wrath 24 January 2016 17: 46
                      -8
                      Professor. Sincere respect to you. Most of your comments on the merits and the case. You are a reasonable person.
                      Of the minuses, one can only note the not always adequate attitude to the "successes" of the Israeli army. In principle, this is understandable, each sandpiper praises its swamp.
                      By the way, judging by the number of stars you have left, you have a real chance to become the first marshal in the cons, which by the way is also a reason for pride
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 24 January 2016 17: 49
                        -15 qualifying.
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        Of the minuses, one can only note the not always adequate attitude to the "successes" of the Israeli army. In principle, this is understandable, each sandpiper praises its swamp.

                        I have never been a fool, but I cannot stand lies.

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        By the way, judging by the number of stars you have left, you have a real chance to become the first marshal in the cons, which by the way is also a reason for pride

                        I have real epaulettes and no one will take them from me. soldier
                      2. Lord of Wrath
                        Lord of Wrath 24 January 2016 19: 30
                        +6
                        Quote: Professor
                        I have never been a fool, but I cannot stand lies.

                        As if not quite so) Most of Israel's "victories" as a state are pure PR campaign, with avoiding sharp corners, with silence and protrusion, having little in common with reality.
                        Let us recall finally that the sons of Israel are cursed by their own god, that they will not win a single victory by force of arms.
                      3. Amnestied
                        Amnestied 24 January 2016 19: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        As if not quite so) Most of Israel's "victories" as a state are pure PR campaign, with avoiding sharp corners, with silence and protrusion, having little in common with reality.
                        Let us recall finally that the sons of Israel are cursed by their own god, that they will not win a single victory by force of arms.

                        Credit! good
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 24 January 2016 20: 31
                        -10 qualifying.
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        As if not quite so) Most of Israel's "victories" as a state are pure PR campaign, with avoiding sharp corners, with silence and protrusion, having little in common with reality.

                        You're right. Israel blew all wars. Moreover, having a numerical advantage in manpower and equipment and a quality advantage. In addition, tens of thousands of "advisers" fought for Israel. But ... thanks to PR, everyone knows a different story. fellow

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        Let us recall finally that the sons of Israel are cursed by their own god, that they will not win a single victory by force of arms.

                        What the hell? Why didn’t anyone tell us about this? There was no email, no SMS, not even a message. All the same, a serious matter is a curse. request

                        Quote: Amnestied
                        this jewish troll

                        You are a young man a real boor. You mom and dad did not teach that adults can not be rude?

                        Quote: gross kaput
                        a piece of armor merkava with a stuck engine from the PG-29?

                        There is no "piece of armor with a stuck RPG-29 engine". The RPG was shot down by KAZ while approaching the armor. More or less like this:
                      5. Amnestied
                        Amnestied 24 January 2016 21: 12
                        +7
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a young man a real boor. You mom and dad did not teach that adults can not be rude?

                        Oh wei, professor, I can just as well ask you a question. But your hutspa, the most hutspataya hutspa on this resource. hi
                      6. Lord of Wrath
                        Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 01: 39
                        10
                        Quote: Professor
                        But ... thanks to PR, everyone knows a different story.

                        Ok) let's evaluate it ourselves. A couple of questions like "you yourself believe that"?
                        1.In 18 days of fighting (6.10 - 24.10.1973), the Israelis managed to destroy 555 aircraft and 2250 tanks? (if the answer is yes, then than did they destroy it all?)
                        2. Zvi Gringold on the Centurion destroyed 30 T-60 and T-55 tanks in a 62-hour battle (as I understand Wittman smokes modestly on the Tigris against the Shermans)
                        3. Lebanon War 1982. for 5 days, the Israelis shot down 103 aircraft produced by the USSR without losing a single one (2 pieces from MANPADS do not count)
                        4. 8 M60-1 tanks knocked out the 85 T-62 without losing a single one. True, then stupidly drove into their mines and lost 4.
                        5. Erez Gazit with a regular shell from the M60A1 tank knocked out the T-62 at a range of 5600 meters.
                        ... and you can continue long enough
                      7. Amnestied
                        Amnestied 25 January 2016 01: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        1.In 18 days of fighting (6.10 - 24.10.1973), the Israelis managed to destroy 555 aircraft and 2250 tanks? (if the answer is yes, how did they destroy it all?)
                        2. Zvi Gringold on the Centurion destroyed 30 T-60 and T-55 tanks in a 62-hour battle (as I understand Wittman smokes modestly on the Tigris against the Shermans)
                        3. The Lebanese War of 1982. In 5 days, the Israelis shot down 103 aircraft produced by the USSR without losing a single one (2 of the MANPADS do not count)

                        This is an excellent hutspa!
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 25 January 2016 08: 57
                        -7
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        1.In 18 days of fighting (6.10 - 24.10.1973), the Israelis managed to destroy 555 aircraft and 2250 tanks? (if the answer is yes, how did they destroy it all?)

                        Everything was different there. The Egyptian and Syrian armies defeated the Tsahal and took so many trophies that they put them into service and are still being used. And by the way, the Arab armies reached Jerusalem at the distance of an artillery shot, but Israel, as always, was lucky. The UN intervened and prevented the valiant Arabs from completing their just cause.

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        2. Zvi Gringold on the Centurion destroyed 30 T-60 and T-55 tanks in a 62-hour battle (as I understand Wittman smokes modestly on the Tigris against the Shermans)

                        And here lies. The Israeli tank armada tried to get through the Golan. Moreover, having a significant advantage, but the valiant tanker Muhamad Al-Azayn stopped the Israelis.

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        3. Lebanon War 1982. for 5 days, the Israelis shot down 103 aircraft produced by the USSR without losing a single one (2 pieces from MANPADS do not count)

                        Lying. Everyone knows that the dominance in the sky of Lebanon remained with Assad. Well, how much he pushed f-15 and f-16 is generally incomprehensible to the mind.

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        4. 8 M60-1 tanks knocked out the 85 T-62 without losing a single one. True, then stupidly drove into their mines and lost 4.

                        This story somehow passed me by and I can’t comment on it. Don’t be angry.

                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        5. Erez Gazit with a regular shell from the M60A1 tank knocked out the T-62 at a range of 5600 meters.

                        And here it was the other way around. The Israelis tried to build a water canal in order to deprive the valiant warriors of Allah of water, but the brave Arab tankers from an incredible distance hit the Zionist construction equipment and prevented the construction of the canal.

                        Don't believe in PR. (tales about Kahalani are just worth it). I declare to you with full responsibility that the Arabs won all wars and only thanks to tens of thousands of American "advisers" Israel escaped complete destruction, losing part of its territories in each war.
                      9. Lord of Wrath
                        Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 11: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        You do not believe PR ... I declare to you with full responsibility

                        But this good
                        Believe me, I absolutely did not pursue the goal of offending you. It's just propaganda, it's not only "Soviet" it happens.
                        And so PR can be added. After all, not everyone in the world is aware: that the best pilot ace, the best tanker ace, the best machine gun, tank, and Massad is also the best ... and all this in ISRAEL
                        It remains only to master snipers and submariners and you can slow down
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 25 January 2016 12: 02
                        -4
                        Quote: Lord of Wrath
                        And so PR can be added. After all, not everyone in the world is aware: that the best pilot ace, the best tanker ace, the best machine gun, tank, and Massad is also the best ... and all this in ISRAEL

                        Nowhere and never will you see in Israel the phrases "the best in the world" or "numb analogs in the world" in relation to anything Israeli. At most, they can call someone "soldier number one of the IDF" (this is about Barack, not Obama). No one will write that "the best pilot-ace, the best tank-ace, the best machine gun, the tank, and he is also the best Massad" in the world about Israel. The most productive in Israel will say the maximum. They do not like to show off here, they are very stingy with awards and praises. From the colonel and above, no one is awarded at all. A downed plane is credited to the pilot only when there is either irrefutable evidence or 2 independent testimonies. Etc.
                      11. Amnestied
                        Amnestied 25 January 2016 14: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Nowhere and never will you see in Israel the phrases "the best in the world" or "numb analogs in the world" in relation to anything Israeli.

                        And does it piss you off? laughing
                      12. Schulz
                        Schulz 25 January 2016 14: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        A downed plane is counted as a pilot only when there is either undeniable evidence or 2 independent testimonies.

                        Professor, was there really a story that a pilot was awarded for a downed plane 30 years later because some family watched their old video on vacation and there was a moment when the Egyptian (in my opinion) plane crashed or is it a fable?
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 25 January 2016 15: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: Schulz
                        Professor, was there really a story that a pilot was awarded for a downed plane 30 years later because some family watched their old video on vacation and there was a moment when the Egyptian (in my opinion) plane crashed or is it a fable?

                        Absolute truth. The family found an old film where they are in the Sinai. The moment of the fall of the Egyptian MiG fell into the frame. The pilot and in 1973 reported this, but he was counted victory only after 40 years.
                    2. yugan
                      yugan 25 January 2016 15: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Nowhere and never will you see in Israel the phrases "the best in the world" or "numb analogs in the world" in relation to anything Israeli.

                      Yah! Jews like the most modest? Have you watched an advertisement for Jewish medical centers for a long time? I did not notice modesty there.
                      Well, in terms of armament - the "Merkava" of the same type drives (Goebbels, by the way, also broadcast that the "tiger" drives - how did it end, remember?)
                      Yes, I do not argue, a good tank, but there are a few questions:
                      1) how many do you have?
                      Remember the question of comrade I.V. Stalin about the Vatican?
                      2) how many times will the most advanced KAZ work in a massive attack?
                      3) how much does a shot from an RPG-7 cost?
                      4) how much is a "merkava"?
                      5) how much does the crew of the "merkava" cost?
                      6) How much does it cost to train an RPG-7 grenade launcher?
                    3. yugan
                      yugan 30 January 2016 16: 55
                      0
                      Oh, Jews, what are you offended at? For "merkava" or for the RPG-7? Or is it to the anti-advertising of medical centers? wink
                      PS Although what's the difference - the loss of money is in any case the reason. wink
          2. spravochnik
            spravochnik 25 January 2016 10: 43
            +3
            And where the RPG-7 test took place. The area in the background does not resemble Izril, but rather the middle zone of Russia in spring or autumn.
          3. Professor
            Professor 25 January 2016 11: 41
            -3
            Quote: spravochnik
            And where the RPG-7 test took place. The area in the background does not resemble Izril, but rather the middle zone of Russia in spring or autumn.

            1. Many people mistakenly believe that Israel is completely a desert.
            2. I don’t know where the tests took place. Maybe in the vicinity of Raphael (there are also forests), or maybe in the USA (to whom they tried to sell KAZ).
          4. spravochnik
            spravochnik 25 January 2016 13: 29
            +1
            What Israel looks like, I KNOW well, that's why I ask. Therefore, rather the United States.
  3. yugan
    yugan 24 January 2016 23: 30
    +6
    I have never been a fool, but I cannot stand lies.

    Really laugh! laughing

    I have real epaulettes and no one will take them from me. soldier
    Do not announce which army or other organization has the right to have epaulets?
    And ... never say that no one can take anything from you - it is either just stupidity, or conceit multiplied by the same stupidity.
  4. Amnestied
    Amnestied 24 January 2016 18: 31
    -1
    Quote: Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath (2) Today, 17:46 ↑ New
    Professor. Sincere respect to you. Most of your comments on the merits and the case. You are a reasonable person.
    Of the minuses, one can only note the not always adequate attitude to the "successes" of the Israeli army. In principle, this is understandable, each sandpiper praises its swamp.
    By the way, judging by the number of stars you have left, you have a real chance to become the first marshal in the cons, which by the way is also a reason for pride

    Another slime laughing
  • yugan
    yugan 24 January 2016 23: 25
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    If only we had no losses in armored vehicles.

    Where did the Jews get the losses in armored vehicles? Yes, in principle, they cannot be, tk. they consider themselves "spoiled". Does this theory remind you of anything?
  • yugan
    yugan 24 January 2016 23: 20
    0
    Some individuals (even with the nicknames "professor") do not need proof. They also have an example of the most democratic country and its State Department - just a pupil of the psaki. What country - such is the evidence.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 January 2016 15: 21
    +3
    And they precisely from RPG 29 on Merkava shoot?
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 January 2016 15: 30
      -4
      Quote: Vadim237
      And they precisely from RPG 29 on Merkava shoot?

      He did not hold a candle. I don’t understand what is the problem? KAZ intercepts RPG-29. I can search for a video.
      1. Amnestied
        Amnestied 24 January 2016 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        He did not hold a candle. I don’t understand what is the problem? KAZ intercepts RPG-29. I can search for a video.

        And the problem is the professor that you are lying.
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 January 2016 15: 58
          -5
          Quote: Amnestied
          And the problem is the professor that you are lying.

          You’ll troll, I’ll stop feeding. For those in the tank: Alzadin Al Qassam state that on the video posted by them shooting from RPG-29.
          1. Amnestied
            Amnestied 24 January 2016 16: 41
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            You’ll troll, I’ll stop feeding. For those who are in the tank: Alzadin Al Qassam say that on the video they posted, shooting from RPG-29.

            Professor, what kind of trolling is it? This is a simple statement of fact, a fact proving that you lied a little, that’s all, and all that you wrote above like: I’m glad to screw up every day, if only there are no losses, it's all just a good mine in a bad game hi
        2. gross kaput
          gross kaput 24 January 2016 16: 44
          +9
          Quote: Amnestied
          And the problem is the professor that you are lying.

          I don’t understand what you are attached to the professor? on the video the inscription made by the shooters that shot from the RPG-29, in my opinion this is quite enough, what other evidence do you require? What RPG-29 came to the Middle East? in the mid-90s, several hundred people cheated on them and this is no longer a secret. It seems to you that there’s just nothing to be attached to and what is the desire of the professor to get? Well then, this is banal trollism.
          1. Amnestied
            Amnestied 24 January 2016 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: gross kaput
            I don’t understand what you are attached to the professor?

            I did not catch it, but I demand to prove the fact that it was an RPG29, this is not visible on the video!
            Quote: gross kaput
            on the video the inscription made by the shooters that shot from the RPG-29, in my opinion this is quite enough, what other evidence do you require?

            On the fence is a three-letter word, what?
            Quote: gross kaput
            . It seems to you that there’s just nothing to be attached to and what is the desire of the professor to get? Well then, this is banal trollism.

            This is not trollism, but an attempt to force the presentation of facts, the professor asks his opponents to exclaim: "facts in the studio," and why my request to present a fact is regarded by you as "banal trollism? You seem to be trying to lick the professor?"
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 24 January 2016 18: 41
              -6
              Quote: Amnestied
              This is not trollism, but an attempt to force the presentation of facts,

              What facts do you want from him? a piece of armor merkava with a stuck engine from the PG-29? laughing
              In general, any sane person understands what you require - "I don't know what."
              Quote: Amnestied
              You seem to be trying to lick the professor?

              Young man watch the market, you seem to be not only not a smart person, but also a decent boor - since you allow yourself to be rude to strangers.
              1. Amnestied
                Amnestied 24 January 2016 18: 49
                +3
                Quote: gross kaput
                Young man watch the market, you seem to be not only not a smart person, but also a decent boor - since you allow yourself to be rude to strangers.

                What are you talking about?
                Quote: gross kaput
                I don’t understand what you are attached to the professor? on the video the inscription made by the shooters that shot from the RPG-29, in my opinion this is quite enough, what other evidence do you require? What RPG-29 came to the Middle East? in the mid-90s, several hundred people cheated on them and this is no longer a secret. It seems to you that there’s just nothing to be attached to and what is the desire of the professor to get? Well then, this is banal trollism.

                That's what your post is about, how to evaluate it? Only how to lick the professor, this Jewish troll, leading here, an information war against you! How do you explain this, what would you understand?
            2. papik09
              papik09 24 January 2016 23: 52
              -3
              Quote: Amnestied
              This is not trollism, but an attempt to force the presentation of facts, the professor asks his opponents to exclaim: "facts in the studio," and why my request to present a fact is regarded by you as "banal trollism? You seem to be trying to lick the professor?"

              And you READ what is written there (you can’t read, take the dictionary, they say it helps). Maybe after this you will agree that you are engaged in trollism?
              1. Amnestied
                Amnestied 25 January 2016 00: 11
                +1
                Quote: papik09
                And you READ what is written there (you can’t read, take the dictionary, they say it helps). Maybe after this you will agree that you are engaged in trollism?

                With all due respect, read my posts carefully! If a three-letter word is written on the fence, what does that mean? Now for you personally, see you have a slightly backward reaction, if you write a Mercedes on a Zaporozhets, it will be a Mercedes, or if you make an inscription under the video it's RPG29, but you can't see this on the video, can we assume that this is so? So I asked the professor for proof? You either did not read my post, or what about your perception, perhaps you decided to "stomp" on me for the company? I think the professor will appreciate it! laughing
  • alexej123
    alexej123 24 January 2016 19: 49
    +7
    Guys, well, you've already ... pulled up. As with Russia, so everything, "kaput". As with your own country - yes, you got up, knocked the dust off your boots and went on. The usual "DOUBLE STANDARDS". Be objective at least once, well, men in the end.
    1. Amnestied
      Amnestied 24 January 2016 20: 06
      +6
      Quote: alexej123
      ... The usual "DOUBLE STANDARDS". Be objective at least once, well, men in the end.

      What kind of objectivity are you talking about?
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 24 January 2016 22: 06
      +3
      Quote: Amnestied
      this Jewish troll waging an information war against you here!

      I still see only one troll here - it's true that he is from the country 404, once again for those who are in the tank, what kind of evidence do you seek from the professor? the video was laid out by the shooters, they signed that it was an RPG-29, it makes no sense to lie to them since the presence of an RPG-29 on a BV is not a secret for a long time, nor is it a secret for a long time so they will not be able to scare them, so 99% of that the authors correctly indicated the type of RPG. Was the KAZ on Merkava and in what condition the tank was after the shelling from the video is not clear, the only thing that is not in doubt is that if the KAZ was then PG-29 it was shot down because it represents an easy target for it (large, slow, not maneuvering ) if KAZ wasn’t then the sideboard is definitely broken - with what consequences for the tank and the crew one god knows - how lucky it can be fatal and maybe a light shell concussion and a partial loss of combat readiness - a record for 1995. Grozny T-72 caught 7 cumulative grenades but did not leave the battlefield.
      And follow the market - here you are not Maidan and not a censor.
      1. Amnestied
        Amnestied 24 January 2016 22: 58
        +1
        Quote: gross kaput
        video posted by shooters

        Video posted by professor
        Quote: gross kaput
        so 99% that the authors correctly indicated the type of RPG

        Where does this conclusion come from? You wishful thinking?

        Quote: gross kaput
        Was the KAZ on Merkava and in what condition the tank was after the shelling from the video is not clear, the only thing that is not in doubt is that if the KAZ was then PG-29 it was shot down because it represents an easy target for it (large, slow, not maneuvering ) if KAZ wasn’t then the board is definitely broken - with what consequences for the tank and crew one god knows

        You have cognitive dissonance, otherwise I can’t explain that mess of contradictions in your head. As for the Maidan and the censor, you are still sick!
        PS
        You will be conducted on the Jewish distribution, it will be that VNA 404, I guarantee you that! Take off your pink glasses, it's time!

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  • ewgen
    ewgen 24 January 2016 07: 23
    +4
    Interestingly, and the RPG-32 Barkas was adopted?
    1. Forest
      Forest 24 January 2016 13: 32
      0
      Not. This will be exported. And the army will run with an RPG-7 with a penetration of 300-500 mm.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 January 2016 15: 24
        +1
        But the RPG 30 is already supplied to the troops.
        1. Forest
          Forest 24 January 2016 16: 02
          -1
          Total 1000 pieces. Disposable grenade launcher is very much inferior to reusable.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 January 2016 18: 57
            +1
            This is the first batch of 1000 pieces, to date, 69 parties have already arrived.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 January 2016 07: 23
    20
    Good thing. But why bother talking about your miraculous developments at every step, if you can stupidly take them into service in the required quantity without too much noise and dust, in which case you can effectively use them for defense. It’s better to quietly arm yourself with normal weapons than to scream at every corner about your achievements. The enemy isn’t either, you won’t scare him with pontoons ...
    We run in as quietly as possible in various conflicts and that’s all, we work at warehouses, while not forgetting about the logistics of entering the troops and options for using, training personnel, well, etc.
    The Americans have promoted their "miracle" F-35 fighter, and now they are walking around lol
    Better our weapons will be a potential enemy surprise soldier
    hi
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 24 January 2016 08: 25
      +7
      That's just the point that it is necessary to shout, and that thanks to some they will not believe. Otherwise, there will be some strange personalities talking about Maxim on carts, etc.
      It is worth demonstrating how they did back in the Soviet years - having spent at the parade in Berlin in the 45th IS-3, as we did on May 9, 2015. So that our "partners" sit and flow around.
    2. Cruel beaver
      Cruel beaver 24 January 2016 08: 31
      +1
      I agree with you on all 100!
    3. Speedy
      Speedy 24 January 2016 10: 24
      13
      Well, actually, it was adopted by the Soviet Union. And the fact that it was not widely used ... So there is a shot for the seven PG-7VR similar to a shot for RPG 29. Due to the supercalibration of RPG 7, it is much more universal.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 24 January 2016 07: 30
    -1
    Soviet weapons are the best in the world.
    And higher officials, let them carry out further desovetization.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 January 2016 18: 10
      +1
      Why is it better?
      It is well suited for mass armies with conscripted poorly trained contingents.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 24 January 2016 07: 48
    +4
    Often the "Vampire" is blamed for being "too" long. As an example, the RPG-32 "Hashim" is cited, which "uses" similar grenades (shots), but has a shorter length. Well ... to assume that after a while an RPG-29M with a reduced length will appear. Also, there have been "talks" about the development of "new" shots for a long time: self-aiming, anti-helicopter and anti-tank corrected, with a trajectory turn ... That's just waiting for these "shots" - By the way, there are opponents of the development of new grenade launchers, who prove that it is more expedient to develop "wearable" (shoulder-launched) missiles .... anti-tank, "anti-bunker" ...
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 24 January 2016 10: 03
      +6
      Yes, you are right, it is the length of the Vampire that is its problem. and of course weight. And on TTX one of the best RPGs.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 24 January 2016 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Nehist
        And on TTX one of the best RPGs

        Do not expand your thought? What is it better in terms of performance characteristics?
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 24 January 2016 08: 03
    +1
    After the flow of ATGM TOW went to Syria, the facts of the defeat of armored vehicles from RPGs decreased. But the video from TOW became "starryyutuba", the old man "burns" not childishly, did not even expect such agility from him.
    1. ICT
      ICT 24 January 2016 08: 21
      +3
      Quote: Mera Joota
      TOW became "starryutuba", the old man "burns"


      at what they smiled from grenade launchers, "they are children." and professionals work with TTOW
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 January 2016 08: 30
        -18 qualifying.
        Quote: TIT
        at what they smiled from grenade launchers, "they are children." and professionals work with TTOW

        What kind of professionals are in slippers and striped t-shirts?
        1. ICT
          ICT 24 January 2016 08: 45
          10
          Quote: Professor
          What kind of professionals are in slippers and striped t-shirts?


          for a video with a TOU, this is an exception (there are basically all in ankle boots and camouflage), just there I first saw a group of people in which everyone is busy with their own business and does not stand behind the "exhaust pipe"
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2016 10: 50
            -1
            Quote: TIT
            for a video with a TOU, this is an exception (there are basically all in ankle boots and camouflage), just there I first saw a group of people in which everyone is busy with their own business and does not stand behind the "exhaust pipe"

            And they are also studying. Assad was lucky that they were given the ancient TOUs, and not some Beals, Spikes or Javelins.

            Quote: APASUS
            Yes, professionals there sometimes come across rare .....

            This is according to Dravin. Natural selection. fellow

            Quote: severniy
            but based on this material
            it is possible that in the Middle East "our partners" traded in copies, and even trade ...

            No. There RPG-7 with bells and whistles are produced. Already discussed.


            Quote: Serg 122
            True, Israeli tank columns invaded southern Lebanon, but this does not plead with the Lebanese treachery.

            True, before that, the Lebanese fired at the Israeli border patrol on Israeli territory, kidnapped 2 soldiers and fired rockets at Israeli cities. But why should we dwell on facts. After all, "Israeli tank columns have invaded South Lebanon" sounds cool. good

            Quote: sabakina
            Professor, can Merkava do that?

            This is how lucky.


            But who is capable of holding Cornet?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 24 January 2016 11: 20
              13
              Quote: Professor
              Assad is lucky

              Whoever is lucky will have a cock too ...
              Quote: Professor
              Truth before this Lebanese

              The truth before this, the Jews occupied the lands of the Arabs (if you follow the chronology of events).
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 January 2016 11: 45
                -9
                Quote: revnagan
                Whoever is lucky will have a cock too ...

                "Lucky" would be sarcastic. Assad is very unlucky and his luck is not on the horizon.

                Quote: revnagan
                The truth before this, the Jews occupied the lands of the Arabs (if you follow the chronology of events).

                No, it's not true. The Israeli-Lebanese border is demarcated by the UN and according to the latter, Israel does not hold a piece of Lebanese land. fellow

                The Jews occupied Judea. At least stand still. wassat
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 January 2016 15: 43
              +1
              To manage anti-tank systems and maintain the complex you need to be a professional.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 24 January 2016 10: 16
          12
          Quote: Professor
          What are the professionals in slippers and striped t-shirts?

          Yes, professionals there sometimes come across rare .....
        3. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 24 January 2016 12: 46
          14
          Quote: Professor
          What kind of professionals are in slippers and striped t-shirts?

          Professor, do you think that they find TTOW on the street ??
          Pin.dos spend HUGE money on training, such are the moderate ones. And before handing over these complexes to them, they are trained for several months, and they can only be used by those who have received the go-ahead from the "benefactors" otherwise the supplies will be closed. "Monkeys in slippers" will not get into a car from such a complex at full speed. The Americans spend hundreds of millions of dollars on this, and this is only official.
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        5. Banshee
          Banshee 24 January 2016 15: 36
          10
          Well, purely for fairness: half of the hits / kills are more than doubtful. For the scream "olol" is not confirmation. Monkeys will squeal about it with or without it.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 January 2016 15: 40
            -3
            Quote: Banshee
            Well, purely for fairness: half of the hits / kills are more than doubtful. For the scream "olol" is not confirmation. Monkeys will squeal about it with or without it.

            The torches in the "second half" of the hits do not allow for a second to doubt the future of the tank.
      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 24 January 2016 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: TIT
        what did they smack from the grenade launchers, "they are children"

        And why is this your sarcasm? The base of the rebels was the deserters of the Syrian army who at least held RPGs in their hands. Any ATV can be used by anyone with a head on their shoulders, enough times (okay three times) to show the sequence of actions.
        1. ICT
          ICT 24 January 2016 09: 01
          +8
          Quote: Mera Joota
          And why is this your sarcasm?

          Quote: Mera Joota
          who at least held RPGs in their hands.


          I held an RPG in my hands. Nov I do not know how to shoot him





          Quote: Mera Joota
          h (okay three times) show the sequence of actions.


          This is called training. They also tell how to use the terrain for shelter. well, etc.
          1. ratfly
            ratfly 24 January 2016 09: 24
            +3
            The first two, what was wrong with the RPG? The third is understandably bubbling to the top of the arch. What are the assumptions?
            1. Sascha
              Sascha 24 January 2016 12: 30
              +5
              Breakthrough of powder gases of the starting charge. Most likely due to damage to the pipe body
            2. vova1973
              vova1973 24 January 2016 13: 28
              +3
              in the second story, inside the enclosed space, reverse powder gases were fired from a grenade launcher from an unaccustomed habit; they simply shocked the operator, so he beguiled him. In the field from the shoulder of a grenade launcher shoot and then go nuts then you can.
          2. Olfred
            Olfred 24 January 2016 13: 12
            +3
            eh, they’d still throw grenades under their feet, there would be less trouble with the creatures hi
  • Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 24 January 2016 09: 06
    16
    His relatives filed a lawsuit against the British Ministry of Defense, they accused Her Majesty's military department of convincing their relative of the invulnerability of this tank.
    ================================================== =======
    I’m shocked, but I don’t have much to think about? It means that it’s just wonderful to fight against an unarmed tank on an invulnerable tank, but how they got it by snot, right to court.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 January 2016 18: 12
      +3
      This is just a way to cut dough in an easy way.
  • onix757
    onix757 24 January 2016 10: 53
    0
    Is this the same "vampire" licensed to be sold to Jordan?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 January 2016 15: 51
      +1
      Jordan sold license for RPG 32 Hashim.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 24 January 2016 22: 51
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Jordan sold license for RPG 32 Hashim.

        You can only sell what belongs to you, Hashim was developed by order of Jordan, with the money of Jordan, and our MO paid attention to it only after Hashim was developed, tested and concluded a final contract for delivery to Jordan.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 January 2016 23: 40
          0
          Only our Moscow Defense Forces will not accept it - the development of a new multi-caliber grenade launcher continues.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 25 January 2016 00: 10
          +4
          I'll add a little: A plant has been built in Jordan and the production of RPG 32 "Hashim" has been launched.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 January 2016 11: 19
    +2
    "At this time, the Israelis were already working hard on a complex of active protection
    "Trophy", but they did not have time to bring it to mind "

    Until the roasted cock pecks ... belay "Trophy" has already been. Didn't allocate a budget for equipment
    tanks by these KAZs. After the losses of 2006, money appeared.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 24 January 2016 12: 59
      10
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "At this time, the Israelis were already working hard on a complex of active protection
      "Trophy", but they did not have time to bring it to mind "

      Until the roasted cock pecks ... belay "Trophy" has already been. Didn't allocate a budget for equipment
      tanks by these KAZs. After the losses of 2006, money appeared.

      Yes, what are the losses ??? what
      Professor quotes
      9 August
      Around 11: 00 "Merkava" MK.2 of the 847-th armored brigade was in the area of ​​the village of Aita a-Shaab. The tank lost track due to a technical breakdown or simply stood still, and at that moment an ATGM hit it. The whole crew died: Gilad Shtokelman (company commander and tank commander), Nir Cohen, Nimrod Segev and Noam Goldman. According to another version, Gilad was outside the tank, at this time he was replaced by a loader in the place of the tank commander. The tank hit a land mine, with the explosion a tower being broken, the loader was killed, the rest of the crew were injured. Gilad climbed back onto the tank and began to help the wounded, at that moment the tank was hit by ATGMs, Gilad and the wounded were killed.
      Total 1 (one) tank.
      recourse
      Is it worth it because of "Total 1 (one) tank." To scatter by such means? request
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 January 2016 13: 54
        -4
        Quote: NIKNN
        Is it worth it because of "Total 1 (one) tank." To scatter by such means?

        1. Of course it is. Israel changed its corporal for 1027 abreks.
        2. KAZ is much cheaper than a tank.
        Quote: Shark Lover
        And did anyone shoot at the "Merkava" at all, except for elbow pads or throwing coins? It seems to me, don't let the Germans drink as much as 72 sips in their lifetime. He fights with the natives there, the best tank on paper and according to the performance characteristics given in the media.

        The same "aborigines" are shooting as at the Syrian Teshkas.
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 24 January 2016 15: 46
          +6
          Yes, stop you already PR))))) There are no bad tanks in principle. And "merkava" is good at something)), calm down. So that you understand what I mean, I will give you a clear example. There is a fighter in the ring in any kind of martial arts, wins, loses, but he is a fighter! This is me about the T-72. And then there is a bodybuilder with gorgeous muscles who poses in public. The muscles are chic, the skinny will fill up with a click, but there is no fighter from him. I hope it's so clear by what criteria I compared)
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 24 January 2016 12: 09
    -1
    I want to believe that our tanks have protection against these weapons ...
  • gross kaput
    gross kaput 24 January 2016 12: 34
    13
    The article is a rare nonsense, RPG-29 was crammed into service with the USSR Armed Forces back in 1989. but it wasn’t supplied to the troops - for one simple reason that at that time pros worked for GRAU who understood that a vampire was unnecessary in the army and simply couldn’t find a place for him in the staff list - there is no staff unit - accordingly there is no time sheet and there is no number of pieces needed as the pinnacle of evolution - there is no production plan and release.
    The RPG-29 is second only to the RPG-28 in stupidity, the Vampire is an initiative development of the Basalt, which was based on the not very successful and long-obsolete French RPG LRAC 89 (developed already in 1964) with a caliber increased to 105 mm , using a pulse generator from the RPG-16 and unlike the French, in which each grenade is in a disposable TPK attached to the rear of the gun, we have an almost 2-meter barrel of the gun just half of the bayonet connection only for ease of transportation and the grenade is inserted from the rear along the old fashioned way. Why stupid and unnecessary? because in terms of effectiveness, vampire grenades are no different from RPG-7 grenades - PG-7VR "Resume", TBG-7V "Tanin", because in fact the b / h is the same, the range in theory is greater for 29 in practice from - for "mortar" ballistics, the effective range for a target such as a tank will be the same, because at ranges over 200 m, the error in determining the distance is another ten meters
    will lead to a miss, at the maximum ranges prescribed in the brochures, only experienced testers can shoot and hit targets in the conditions of the training ground when the range to the target is precisely known. As a result, the seven is much more "useful" in the troops than this log, so it is quite fair that a regular place was not found for it.
    True, at the beginning of the 2000's there was an interesting attempt to reincarnate a vampire already in the role of LNG on a machine with an optoelectronic sight with a laser range finder and ACS, but even now it is only in prototypes - the range is small for LNG.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 24 January 2016 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: gross kaput
      True, at the beginning of the 2000's there was an interesting attempt to reincarnate a vampire already in the role of LNG on a machine with an optoelectronic sight with a laser range finder and ACS, but even now it is only in prototypes - the range is small for LNG.


      Yours is true, there is such a proposal! By the way, "Hashim" also has a proposal for an easel version with a KPU (computerized sighting device) ....
    2. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 24 January 2016 19: 51
      0
      Quote: gross kaput
      Article rare ravings ..

      Thanks, Gross. Clearly and all points are put on Yo. Another legend about a "unique development that has no analogues" has died.
  • Chtononibrator
    Chtononibrator 24 January 2016 12: 41
    0
    Quote: gross kaput
    just did not find a place for him in the staff list

    And what to look for if this is an RPG-7 place. Which one is more convenient is another question.
  • gross kaput
    gross kaput 24 January 2016 13: 01
    -2
    Quote: Chtononibrator
    And what to look for if this is an RPG-7 place.

    And if you think a little?
    1. Chtononibrator
      Chtononibrator 24 January 2016 13: 39
      +2
      But what is there to think if this is a weapon of separation.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 24 January 2016 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Chtononibrator
        if it’s a branch weapon.

        And hde it said? Or is it your purely expert opinion?
        1. Chtononibrator
          Chtononibrator 24 January 2016 15: 17
          -3
          My purely expert.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 24 January 2016 16: 49
            +3
            Thank God that we have no such experts in the Moscow Region laughing
            1. Chtononibrator
              Chtononibrator 24 January 2016 17: 37
              -5
              It is noticeable. Half a century RPG-7 without replacement is certainly a fierce victory for the MO.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 24 January 2016 18: 35
                +6
                Mdya expert level already rolls over! laughing
                But what about the country, the flag of which is on your avatar, has not yet been replaced by the M-16? because she’s already half a century. The reason is simple - as long as there is no product seriously superior in performance characteristics to the armament that is in service, it makes no sense to spend money on a new one, the balance of the characteristics of the seven is still unparalleled and therefore it makes no sense to change it, by the way for these half a century now RPG-7V3 is already in service, a big plus sevens is the grenade’s over-caliber which allows ammunition designers to play essentially with b / h without touching the grenade launcher itself, and now for seven there is a wide range of shots - cumulative, tandem, thermobaric, chemical and fragmentation. On the issue of weapons of the branch and the opinion of experts from America - to understand the place of a vampire, you just need to hold it and a grenade in your hands, and it is also desirable to pull it and everything becomes clear right away - I happened to go with it on basalt and about some experts I I doubt it very much.
                1. Chtononibrator
                  Chtononibrator 25 January 2016 00: 21
                  -4
                  The level of fairy tales about a certain lobby and a warrior who is tormented where to shove it into the OSH is going through the scale. You were whispered about this on basalt, or maybe there is a monograph on the history of the Vampire, where is it written? Although, of course, establishing the place of a weapon in an OSh by holding it in hands is the top of professionalism. Taking off my hat.
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 25 January 2016 11: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Chtononibrator
                    You were whispered about it on basalt

                    Why whisper - I managed to work there and communicate directly with the developers, and for starters, you would at least learn a little about the topic, maybe stop writing nonsense.
  • Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 24 January 2016 13: 55
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Charik
    and how did it tear him so

    RPG-29 KEP fellow

    you are mistaken .......
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 January 2016 13: 59
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Trigger-Happy
      you are mistaken .......

      I’m not mistaken.
      1. Lyton
        Lyton 24 January 2016 14: 20
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Trigger-Happy
        you are mistaken .......

        I’m not mistaken.

        The tanker is sorry, jumped out of the tank like a charred chicken.
  • Denimax
    Denimax 24 January 2016 14: 05
    +1
    Quote: ratfly
    The first two, what was wrong with the RPG?

    At the first, the trunk was apparently hammered with rags (to shoot further?), As a result, a rupture of the trunk or a fucking kick turned the collarbone (arms). The second didn’t happen, just RPG-7 is not very suitable for firing from indoors.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 24 January 2016 15: 15
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    .
    After the failure of the Israeli operation in Lebanon,

    What kind of failure does the author talk about? Israel in 2005 could not even dream of such luck. The northern border of Israel has since been quiet and calm.

    Professor, sometimes, in the excitement of protecting your loved ones and relatives, you forget yourself and begin to refute your own thoughts. Now, if you are asked what the opposition accused E. Olmert of with the subsequent replacement of the Kadima party at the helm of power, you will most likely answer with your usual laconicism: “In the failure of the Lebanese the war operations. "The tasks set before the start of the campaign were not fully resolved, although the results obtained improved the position of Israel, the hostilities ended in a truce, not a victory. Hasan Nasrallah survived, Hezbollah, which fought instead of the evaporated Lebanese army, did not disintegrated and gained popularity (45% of the seats in the Lebanese parliament in the next elections).
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 January 2016 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: Earnest
      Now, if you are asked what the opposition accused E. Olmert of


      And what does the opposition accuse Putin of? Or is everything that the opposition says a priori true?
      Quote: Earnest
      the results obtained have improved the situation of Israel, but the hostilities ended in a truce, not a victory

      Victory in BV? Do you even understand what you're talking about?
      Yes, you at least roll everyone to dust - all the same, someone will stand up and say that they definitely won.
      Egypt still celebrates victory in the Doomsday War.
      Sound the results? Or you know.
      But they celebrate
      Quote: Earnest
      Hassan Nasrallah survived


      And sitting the 10th year in the bunker tells everyone about the victory
      Quote: Earnest
      Hezbollah ", who fought instead of the evaporated army of Lebanon


      And no one fought with the Lebanese army. Yes, and she herself did not climb.
      I liked the movie the most. how the inhabitants of the Christian regions of Beirut, sitting on the balcony and smoking a hookah, watched the Shiite quarters of Beirut lining up.
      Who who. but they knew nothing would fly to them. Action movie live

      Quote: Earnest
      and gained popularity (45% of the seats in the Lebanese parliament in the next election). All this is complicated.

      Hezbollah is popular in Lebanon. A new joke. Do you even know the confessional structure of the country, parliament, etc.?
    2. Professor
      Professor 24 January 2016 15: 26
      -7
      Quote: Earnest
      Professor, you sometimes forget about the excitement of protecting your near and dear ones and begin to refute your own thoughts.

      What kind? Did I once claim that Hezbollah won?

      Quote: Earnest
      If you are asked what the opposition accused E. Olmert of with the subsequent replacement of the Kadima party at the helm of power, you will most likely answer with your usual laconicism: "Operations in the failure of the Lebanese war"

      The opposition always blames someone. She has such a job.

      Quote: Earnest
      Operations in the failure of the Lebanese War. "The tasks set before the start of the campaign were not fully resolved, although the results obtained improved Israel's position, the military operations ended in a truce, not a victory.

      Hmm .. And what tasks were set? wink Take Berlin?

      Quote: Earnest
      Hassan Nasrallah survived, Hezbollah, who fought instead of the Lebanese evaporated army, did not break up, but gained popularity (45% of the seats in the Lebanese parliament in the next election). All this is complicated

      It's very simple:
      Lebanon Second War: Rethinking and Reassessing Results
      Most Israeli citizens, journalists, and even experts considered Israel to have lost this war.

      In general, the Israeli media were not able to give an objective assessment of the hostilities and actively helped create an atmosphere of general discontent and disappointment.


      Criticism from the government forced the resignation of Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Chief of the General Staff Dan Halutz, and irreparable damage was caused to the reputation of Prime Minister Olmert.

      and further:
      The Second Lebanese War was not a failure for Israel ", five years after the end of the war (now 10): “Overall, however, Israel ended this war with major strategic and political gains. The northern border has been calm for five years. Despite opposition from Hezbollah, the Lebanese army has taken up positions in the southern part of the country. An international military contingent is stationed along the border with Israel. All this creates considerable difficulties for the Shiite group. The line of defense of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon has been destroyed, it is difficult for the members of the group to move openly with weapons in the area. ... The IDF has restored its capabilities allowing Israel to contain the Shiites. "
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 24 January 2016 15: 43
    +2
    On August 9, 2006, the Israelis, who had suffered significant losses in tanks, unleashed their anger on Russia, which, they say, could not "control its supplies to Syria"


    Another GREAT army, after the USA, which can only fight with the Papuans ..... We got a little in the face, immediately whine and back to the booth!

    The most famous case was the defeat of the Challenger-2 tank. The rocket-propelled grenade hit the lower frontal part of the hull and, having overcome the dynamic protection, seriously wounded the tank driver, who became disabled, in the leg. His relatives filed a lawsuit against the British Ministry of Defense, they accused Her Majesty's military department of having convinced their relative of the invulnerability of this tank.


    Well, what else can you say about the former "Lady of the Seas" !? Earlier it was an honor for an English officer to die in battle or be wounded, but now .... "Convinced of the invulnerability of the tank" .... Ie. Otherwise, figs who will you drive into the tank ?!
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 January 2016 15: 55
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: vvp2412
      Another GREAT army, after the USA, which can only fight with the Papuans ..... We got a little in the face, immediately whine and back to the booth!

      The USSR army fought with the Papuans in Afghanistan and draped its tail and drew its prisoners there. Do not rush to judge others.

      Quote: Shark Lover
      There are no bad tanks in principle.

      You are mistaken. All tanks are bad, and modern tanks are terrible. A modern tank worth tens of millions of dollars is destroyed by an illiterate fighter with gadgets worth a couple of hundred dollars. Tank is atavism.
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 January 2016 20: 07
        +7
        Compare the draping without regard to the troops of your overlords from Vietnam and the way out with combat banners from Afghanistan. Find the 10 differences.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 January 2016 09: 10
          -5
          Quote: alexej123
          Compare the draping without regard to the troops of your overlords from Vietnam and the way out with combat banners from Afghanistan. Find the 10 differences.

          Dragging it is drape. They fled from Afghanistan, forgetting their fighters.

          Quote: Bryanskiy_Volk
          Objectively: the overlords, the esteemed Professor, now in Afghanistan to fight the "Papuans" is much worse than the limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan

          Nothing wrong. You will have the opportunity to show how to fight with the spirits when the Americans go home overseas. Your president has no doubt that there will have to fight.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 25 January 2016 10: 28
            -1
            So mattress covers from both Iraq and Afghanistan draped in 2000, right?
            They came out of Afghanistan, google to help, look at the footage. So DON'T TAKE, so execute the withdrawal order. And the first Chechen - that's how a RUSSIAN soldier executes (idiotic) orders to storm Grozny (armored vehicles were brought into residential buildings) - he knows that they will kill him, but he crawls forward and stands to death. And your NON-CRAZY army can do this? I doubt it.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 January 2016 11: 23
              -3
              Quote: alexej123
              They came out of Afghanistan, google to help, look at the footage. So DON'T TAKE, so execute the withdrawal order.

              Fulfill the withdrawal order. Moreover, such a quick, quick conclusion leaving the enemy their fighters. Called escape. Illiterate entered and left illiterate.

              Quote: alexej123
              And your NON-CRAZY army can do this? I doubt it.

              It won’t be able to. We women have not yet given birth.
              1. aquatic
                aquatic 25 January 2016 15: 08
                +3
                from the moment of "forgot the fighters" more details please ..
                1. Professor
                  Professor 25 January 2016 15: 28
                  -8
                  Quote: aquatic
                  from the moment of "forgot the fighters" more details please ..

                  Easily.
                  Russia is trying to end its Afghan war

                  The Russian Missing Persons List in Afghanistan in the 1980s lists 265 soldiers.
                  1. aquatic
                    aquatic 26 January 2016 13: 54
                    0
                    missing and forgotten is not the same thing, it may be better and not many in my personal attitude, but from the point of view of the military leadership it’s completely different, I don’t agree
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 26 January 2016 14: 00
                      -1
                      Quote: aquatic
                      missing and forgotten is not the same thing, it may be better and not many in my personal attitude, but from the point of view of the military leadership it’s completely different, I don’t agree

                      They fled, leaving under 3 hundreds of fighters. These are the facts. The rest is words. About the abandoned allies I am generally silent.
                2. Amnestied
                  Amnestied 25 January 2016 15: 34
                  0
                  Quote: aquatic
                  from the moment of "forgot the fighters" more details please ..

                  What are you, what evidence? Here everyone is accustomed to trusting Herr professor at his word, look, otherwise you will be written down as "banal trolls".
          2. alexej123
            alexej123 25 January 2016 11: 57
            +2
            So, a little remark - we not only fought in Afghanistan - we built hospitals, schools, factories, houses of culture, drug trafficking from Afgan was ten times less. And what have the Western liberators done now? Drug traffic is practically the GDP of Afghanistan, are factories, hospitals, schools under construction? Where? The ideology of the West is colonialism. Tell me who your "patron" is - and I'll tell you who you are. I changed it a little, but the meaning is the same. Israel is also embedded in the colonialist policy. Colonization takes place until the aggressor simply snatches the lula, then screeches with an offended look, as you say, and starts whining from his pen.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 January 2016 12: 15
              -6
              Quote: alexej123
              So, a small remark - we not only fought in Afghanistan - built hospitals, schools, factories, houses of culture, drug trafficking from Afghanistan was ten times smaller. And what now, the Western liberators have done? Drug trafficking - almost the GDP of Afghanistan, are factories, hospitals and schools being built? Where? The ideology of the West is colonization.

              Colonialists always build schools, hospitals, etc. It’s easier to colonize. For example, Britain. In all her colonies, she built everything you listed. The same story with France.

              Quote: alexej123
              Israel is also embedded in the policy of colonization.

              Israel is too small a fish to colonize anyone.

              Quote: alexej123
              Colonization takes place until the aggressor simply snatches up the lyuley, then with an offended look dances, as you say, and starts whining from his pen.

              This is exactly what happened in the USSR in Afghanistan. The pills became unbearable.
              1. Amnestied
                Amnestied 25 January 2016 16: 26
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Israel is too small a fish to colonize anyone.

                Why is it for Israel? He is stupidly occupying!
                Quote: Professor
                Colonialists always build schools, hospitals, etc. It’s easier to colonize. For example, Britain. In all her colonies, she built everything you listed. The same story with France.

                And Israel is building fences and bombing the occupied lands with it!
              2. alexej123
                alexej123 26 January 2016 09: 09
                0
                Come on, come on. How many factories, schools, hospitals has Britain built in India? Balabolit - do not roll bags. It was the USSR that helped India to rise after the "British domestication". But what about the colonized Arab territories, Palestine, Jerusalem? Professor - you are a stubborn Russophobe.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 January 2016 09: 26
                  0
                  Quote: alexej123
                  Come on, come on. In India, how many factories did Britain build?

                  Thousands. Plus railways, bridges, tunnels, roads, universities and much more than Indians still use.

                  Quote: alexej123
                  Balabolit - do not roll bags.

                  This is an adult conversation.

                  Quote: alexej123
                  It was the USSR that helped India to rise after the "British domestication"

                  Hmm ... I traveled a lot in India, but I could not see any traces of Soviet aid, but the British "domestication" is at every step.

                  Quote: alexej123
                  But what about the colonized Arab territories, Palestine, Jerusalem?

                  You are bad with basic concepts. Learn first what it means to colonize. The colony

                  Quote: alexej123
                  Professor - you are a stubborn Russophobe.

                  Do not smell glue and there will be no hallucinations. wassat
                  1. alexej123
                    alexej123 27 January 2016 11: 16
                    +2
                    Normal boor. Sniffing glue - is this probably from your childhood? I have never tried, but you had to see, still can not let go.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 27 January 2016 11: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: alexej123
                      Normal boor.

                      Why are you so much about yourself? Well, they groundlessly called a person a Russophobe. Something was forbidden to you. It happens to everyone? And then immediately call boor. No.

                      Quote: alexej123
                      I have never tried, but you had to see, still can not let go.

                      It’s strange. How then explain that you see things that are not?

                      Quote: alexej123
                      Fortunately, I did not study at Harvard, "I was not abroad, I was not involved."

                      And I unfortunately did not study at Harvard. It would be interesting to get an education in such an eminent institution, although my alma mater is known all over the world.

                      Quote: alexej123
                      I live by the principles

                      Living on principles is good.

                      Quote: alexej123
                      The second - you should not be rude.

                      Where is the rudeness? Or are you suddenly embarrassed by a technical school? wink

                      Quote: alexej123
                      And for the experience "Don't la-la professor." How do you know my experience?

                      I don’t know (I don’t know you personally), I guess that you haven’t studied in the West and there’s nothing to compare you with, but this does not prevent you from drawing conclusions. It's like in a joke about Chaliapin and Rabinovich, like I heard your Chaliapin, burr and fake ... Where did you hear? Rabinovich sang to me.

                      Quote: alexej123
                      Or does the glory of the Jewish people "hollow"?

                      I have lost the thread of your thoughts.
                      1. alexej123
                        alexej123 27 January 2016 21: 41
                        0
                        "Professor" - what the hell are you Professor. For specific reasons, go to the mode of boltology and answers like "myself". You are an ordinary Russophobe who thinks that he is smart, intelligent, but in fact - and not a friend and not an enemy, but so, no one. In legal psychology, there is such a concept as "swamp" - those who are like a weather vane, that the leading, senior comrades, continue to pout the list into their ears, then they tell. You are a natural representative of the "swamp", and not the best part of it - the liberal one. Why don't you answer the whole comment? You pull out phrases, distort the meaning of what was said, give up the meaning of your words - for a technical school, it is visible. The Russian liberal get-together suffers from such methods - as you look at - Nadezhdin, Nekrasov - the answers are one to one with yours. Why don't you comment on the stupidity of the US elite? "Are you sure you are"?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 27 January 2016 22: 10
                        0
                        Quote: alexej123
                        "Professor" - what the hell are you Professor.

                        Lime.

                        Quote: alexej123
                        You are an ordinary Russophobe,

                        Russophobia (from Russian and other Greek. Φόβος - fear) is a biased, suspicious, hostile, hostile attitude towards Russia and / or towards Russians.
                        You will not find a bad word in relation to either Russia or Russians in any of my comments. Do not fantasize.

                        Quote: alexej123
                        You are a natural representative of the "swamp", and not the best part of it - the liberal one.

                        We pass on to the person? wink

                        What did you actually want to say? wink
                        We started about the colonialists (googled "How many factories, schools, hospitals did Britain build in India?"), And ended up becoming personal and proud that they did not study at "universities" (I did not study at Harvard). By the way, how can you be proud that somewhere NOT studied? request

                        Summing up, it was the USSR that was draping it from Afghanistan, throwing its fighters under 3 hundred, leaving its allies to be torn to pieces and throwing a bunch of weapons to the enemies. hi
                      3. Schulz
                        Schulz 28 January 2016 09: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        [
                        The USSR was draping from Afghanistan

                        This is not entirely true. Of course, the withdrawal of a hundred-thousand-strong group with all the infrastructure for 9 months can hardly be called an unhurried conclusion, but this also does not seem to be draping. For example, I got into Afghan training in November 87, in early spring it was already known about the upcoming withdrawal of troops and the training began to be disbanded. But of the 820 people, half was distributed in parts on the territory of the Union, and half was still sent to the DRA. Personally, I got to Afghanistan at the end of May 88 and left there in January 89. In addition, they slowly began to withdraw from there before the official announcement (for example, 5 regiments in October 86). So, in my opinion, this is not particularly similar to draping.
                        PS: By the way, for some reason all the reports about the withdrawal of troops were from Termez, and no one even remembered Kushka, and we left it through her.
                        Quote: Professor
                        [throwing a bunch of weapons to the enemies. hi

                        And this is not so. Three more years after the withdrawal of troops, both our military and our advisers remained in Afghanistan, and these weapons were intended specifically for them and the Afghan army. By the way, when these reserves ran out, they established an air bridge and 4 Kamaz convoys (50 vehicles each, as far as I know) for the delivery of humanitarian and military cargo.

                        Quote: Professor
                        [throwing at the tear of his allies hi

                        There is certainly some truth in this, but only a fraction. There were no Geneva agreements, our military, technical specialists and advisers remained, missile and airstrikes were inflicted from the territory of the USSR, military and material assistance was provided up to 92 years.

                        Quote: Professor

                        throwing under 3 hundreds of his fighters,

                        And here you can’t really argue. At the time of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, the list of missing persons totaled 296 people http://www.rsva-ural.ru/library/mbook.php?id=384, and at the beginning of 2013 - 264. Officially, it is engaged in the search for missing persons in Afghanistan Committee on International Warrior Affairs under the Council of CIS Heads of State but as it turned out to be of little use to him. And this taking into account the fact that Rabbani partially kept his promise, returned part of the prisoners of war.
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  • yugan
    yugan 24 January 2016 23: 46
    +7
    Quote: Professor
    The USSR army fought with the Papuans in Afghanistan and draped its tail and drew its prisoners there.


    professor you are a real enemy of Our country. I can of course express myself as a "Russian command", but I don't want to waste my nerves on such a nonentity. One question. Have you personally been to Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989? Although there is still a clarifying question - if there were, then from which side?
    1. Amnestied
      Amnestied 24 January 2016 23: 54
      +2
      Quote: manganese
      Professor, you are the real enemy of Our country.

      Quite right, this is still that enemy, armed with the whole set of info-war. There is a whole legion (kagal) of jackals here.
    2. Bryanskiy_Volk
      Bryanskiy_Volk 25 January 2016 00: 00
      +4
      Objectively: the overlords, the esteemed Professor, now in Afghanistan to fight the "Papuans" is much worse than the limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan hi
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 24 January 2016 16: 55
    +6
    Quote: Amnestied
    Quote: Professor
    In the video made by the militants in Arabic it is written that the shelling is conducted by RPG-29. Militants repeatedly demonstrated RPG-29. Tsahal also claims that his armored vehicles were subjected to shelling by RPG-29. Captured trophies RPG-29. Show you serial numbers and invoices?


    That is, you have no proof! All you have is an inscription in Arabic and a repeated demonstration by the RPG29 militants! So, on June 22, 2014, any other RPG could have been used against the Merkava, and your statements that the Merkava is holding the RPG29 "Vampire" are groundless! I am satisfied! professor, you screwed up laughing


    To argue with a professor is a futile exercise, because, as is known throughout the world, Jews can carry the truth and the rest are, so to speak, bullshit. I agree with the gentiles about something, do not respect myself.
    1. Amnestied
      Amnestied 25 January 2016 01: 42
      +1
      Quote: Mig-31
      To argue with a professor is a futile exercise, because, as is known throughout the world, Jews can carry the truth and the rest are, so to speak, bullshit. I agree with the gentiles about something, do not respect myself.

      Dear comrade! I will argue only in order to show such as "gross kaput", "daddy" and so on, the essence of the ongoing information war against Russia and the Russian World as a whole.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 25 January 2016 18: 05
        -5
        Yes, yes, exactly so - if there is no water in the tap, then the Jews drank laughing
        1. Amnestied
          Amnestied 25 January 2016 18: 27
          0
          Quote: gross kaput
          Yes, yes, exactly so - if there is no water in the tap, then the Jews drank

          For you, personally from me! But I'm afraid you will not understand what I wanted to say.
  • TARSUS
    TARSUS 24 January 2016 17: 56
    0
    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    Do not la la, in this video there was an explosion of a shell in the breech when trying to shoot. The explosion was from the inside and the detonation of the BC followed accordingly. The vampire has nothing to do with it!

    For a long time went to the shark? At the 4th second, a rocket is clearly visible.
    1. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 27 January 2016 13: 54
      0
      Recently there was, do not worry, and go check yourself! Yes, indeed, the hit during the shot was not noticed.
  • Leader
    Leader 24 January 2016 21: 28
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Mig-31
    To argue with a professor is a futile lesson

    I’ve already clung to the Professor for a couple, but right here, in these comments, the Professor is right.
    And for some already saliva splatters and snot - instead of arguments.
    Especially for this:
    Quote: Professor
    The USSR army fought with the Papuans in Afghanistan and draped its tail and drew its prisoners there.

    Quote: Professor
    Israel changed its corporal for 1027 abreks.

    And there is.
    By the way, the USSR threw its fighters in other places - in Angola, for example, or in Taiwan.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 24 January 2016 23: 54
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Vadim237
    And they precisely from RPG 29 on Merkava shoot?

    He did not hold a candle. I don’t understand what is the problem? KAZ intercepts RPG-29. I can search for a video.

    To begin with, in the 2nd Lebanon the Israelis did not have active protection (only tested), even on Merkava 4. .......... 45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades, 51 missiles hit the tanks in total .
    In 24 cases (47% of the number of hits), the cumulative jet pierced the armor of the tanks, apparently in 3 cases of these 24 tanks detonated the ammunition.
    In total, about 60 BTT units received combat damage, including 48-52 tank. 5 tanks were irretrievably lost - 3 from hit ATGMs (one each Merkava Mk.2, MK.3 and MK.4) and 2 from explosives (one Merkava MK.2 and MK.4).
    Killed 31 fighter of armored forces, incl. 30 Tankers. In addition, another 4 soldier - 3 in the D9 and 1 bulldozers in the heavy Puma armored personnel carrier, died from ATGM hits in the BTT.
    Tanks "Merkava", especially the latest MK.4, showed excellent resistance to combat defeats. On average, in each tank whose armor was broken, 1 tanker was killed, and the ammunition, apparently, detonated in only 3 of the 24 shot through .... (info from Israeli news sites).
  • Earnest
    Earnest 25 January 2016 00: 05
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: vvp2412
    Another GREAT army, after the USA, which can only fight with the Papuans ..... We got a little in the face, immediately whine and back to the booth!

    The USSR army fought with the Papuans in Afghanistan and draped its tail and drew its prisoners there. Do not rush to judge others.

    Your generation first scoured the USSR, and some even scattered across the Mediterranean, clever about affairs in Russia because of the horizon. Victory doesn’t shine for them in the Middle East laughing They didn’t learn how to fight until the victorious one, so you compose fairy tales that you only have to advance half-bumps, and everyone has joy.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 January 2016 08: 40
      -8
      Quote: Earnest
      Your generation first profiled the USSR

      The scoop ended by himself. All went to the toilet of history. Once and forever. good
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 25 January 2016 09: 17
        +6
        According to the comments, it seems like a smart man, but now they have been overtaken by outright stupidity. "Scoop" - let's leave aside the instinct of consumption - who are you now in Israel, if not a secret? Are you feeling ok? I understand the level of education received helps? And where did you get it, and for what "gingerbread"? Free I suppose? Compare the receipt of this with your overlord - people in retirement give loans that they took to study in college and institute. This is normal? This is a "flock of sheep" shearing. Conclusion - there was a "scoop", where you could get a first-class education, which made you feel confident, and a "farm" where "the sheep are sheared."
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 January 2016 09: 28
          -6
          I am known by whom, the janitor. wassat I'm not complaining about life. The education received in the West helps. I received it not only for free, but I was paid a scholarship. Well, these stupid bourgeois. It’s not for me to take a subscription about not leaving me or not to give a diploma until I work out a distribution cockroach in the darkness. They trained and let me go. About retired people giving loans for training, passion of the face. This is how you should be a loser so that you don’t give away $ 120,000 for your working life. request
          About "first-class" soviet education do not tell me stories in the morning. Tell us better how the evening parties and correspondence students studied. Let's cry together. Moreover, their diploma is absolutely the same as mine, but education ...

          PS
          Of course there were normal Soviet universities, but they can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
          1. Rash
            Rash 25 January 2016 10: 56
            +4
            And here they are, professor! wink
            At first:
            The education received in the West helps.

            Later:
            Moreover, their diploma is exactly the same as me
            So they studied with you, since the diplomas are the same.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 January 2016 11: 38
              -2
              Quote: Rash
              So they studied with you, since the diplomas are the same.

              I have already written many times and I can repeat. I have a higher education, both Soviet and Western. I can compare. In a Soviet university, both evening and correspondence students "studied" with us. And whoever says that they received a "first-class" education is either lying or not kicking in a tooth.

              Quote: alexej123
              "Part-time student and evening students", but there were no full-time students?

              There were both full-time students and female women. The glasses in the diploma project drew a set of bottoms 2 meters high and 2 mm thick according to the structure of the ship's hull. "And what, the moment of immersion is the same ..." The faculty actually studied about 30 people. The rest of the full-time students from C to C, from session to session. So we got the diploma. Thank God they don't deal with ships.

              Quote: alexej123
              Aren't those who received the "shitty shovels education" - these are Nobel Prize winners?

              And you do not drag geniuses. (In the USA, by the way, there are many more Nobel laureates). Take the average student as an example. A certified specialist is not able to write an article in English, he is not able to read it. Where does he get his advanced knowledge? From a 1956 textbook? "First-class education. negative

              Quote: alexej123
              And the technological advance of Israel, was there no contribution from people who received free Soviet education?

              1. Not free. Visitors were forced to pay fabulous money for Soviet education.
              2. The Israel Institute of Technology was founded already in 1924. It is one of the top XNUMX universities in the world, and some faculties are in the top ten.
              3. Aliya has made a huge contribution to the development of Israel.
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 26 January 2016 09: 17
                +3
                Oh, yes, you are not that "smart". Cree and Losers were always and everywhere. I graduated from the Soviet technical school, where the competition was 3 people per place. But Chechnya and the Czech Republic, as a candidate for vice-president, did not confuse your master. I am far from blinking the nonsense about the healing Rostov mountain air, as the Official Representative of the influential department of YOUR LORD. This is a classic Western education, which is modeled on the fact that it would produce "flocks of sheep".
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 January 2016 09: 32
                  -2
                  Quote: alexej123
                  I graduated from the Soviet technical school,

                  Noticeably.

                  Quote: alexej123
                  This is a classic Western education, which is modeled on producing "flocks of sheep".

                  You as a Harvard graduate can draw similar conclusions based on your own experience. wassat
                  1. alexej123
                    alexej123 27 January 2016 11: 13
                    -1
                    Fortunately, I did not study at Harvard, "I was not abroad, I was not involved." I live according to the principles "Where I was born - there I am fine", "They do not choose their homeland and do not sell, for cookies, a better life", "Is it right or not - this is my country."
                    The second - you should not be rude. Besides the end of the Soviet technical school, I’m proud of it (the past of my homeland, and the current dirt, unlike others, well, let's say Renegades and ungrateful .... I don’t water). After college, he also graduated from the Academy of Law Enforcement Structures, by the way CASCULO, which I am also proud of.
                    And for the experience "Don't la-la professor." How do you know my experience? Have you recorded yourself in Messingi? Or does the glory of the Jewish people "hollow"?
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                    2. atalef
                      atalef 27 January 2016 11: 28
                      0
                      Quote: alexej123
                      fortunately did not study at Harvard

                      I AM SORRY, the same
                      Quote: alexej123
                      was not abroad

                      But I know everything about her
                      Quote: alexej123
                      not involved

                      Already good
                      Quote: alexej123
                      After college, he also graduated from the Academy of Law Enforcement Structures, by the way, by the way, of which I am also proud

                      May I ask you if you work in a specialty?
                  2. alexej123
                    alexej123 27 January 2016 11: 26
                    0
                    And for the stupidity of the US elite poorly write, "can they be banned", "they won't give cookies"? Well serve serve. The bone from the master's table may break off.
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                    2. alexej123
                      alexej123 27 January 2016 21: 44
                      0
                      "Professor" - you are "smart", please comment. Why the US elite, even at the level of the SOVIET school education, is practically NOT SUCCESSFUL. Do Yale, Princeton, Harvard have diplomas? Nothing to say?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 27 January 2016 22: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: alexej123
                        "Professor" - you are "smart", please comment. Why the US elite, even at the level of the SOVIET school education, is practically NOT SUCCESSFUL. Do Yale, Princeton, Harvard have diplomas? Nothing to say?

                        Have you read Condoleezza Rice's books and came to that conclusion? What specific of her statements do you disagree with?
                      2. alexej123
                        alexej123 28 January 2016 09: 05
                        0
                        I'm talking about a candidate for vice-president - I confused the Czech Republic and Chechnya. I think a lady with a "Harvard Princeton" education, etc. An official of the State Department - I think with the same education - for "Healing Rostov Mountain Air". Geography - grades 6-7 for both FAILS. This is normal? Is this a Western education?
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 28 January 2016 09: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: alexej123
                        I'm talking about a candidate for vice-president - I confused the Czech Republic and Chechnya. I think a lady with a "Harvard Princeton" education, etc. An official of the State Department - I think with the same education - for "Healing Rostov Mountain Air". Geography - grades 6-7 for both FAILS. This is normal? Is this a Western education?

                        Let’s not discuss the politicians, neither McCain, nor Zhirinovsky, nor Chermononyrdin? Although Condoleezza is really the smartest woman.
                        Want to evaluate the level of Western education? See how many discoveries, developments, publications they make. And how many others. Today it is very easy to verify. Look at the international ranking of universities (start with Shanghai so as not to declare that the bourgeoisie are blocking them).
    2. Mig-31
      Mig-31 26 January 2016 19: 53
      +1
      The Kazakhs have a saying "if you knew that you would raise a dog in a jackal at puppy age, you would shoot" this is how it was with the Jews after the Second World War. Lived happily ever after in the USSR, ungrateful jackals!
  • alexej123
    alexej123 25 January 2016 10: 33
    +2
    And then Ostap suffered - members of the forum, who said that the Professor tells smart things? "Part-time student and evening students", but there were no full-time students? Aren't those who received the "shitty soviet education" the Nobel Prize winners? And the technological rise of Israel, there was no contribution from people who received free Soviet education?
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        1. Amnestied
          Amnestied 25 January 2016 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: manganese
          So our "hero" has a different intent.

          Yes!
  • Massik
    Massik 25 January 2016 19: 37
    0
    Heavy and long infection, even RPO compared to it is a fluff. It is very inconvenient to shoot from hands (most likely impossible), I cannot imagine how to catch the aiming point with an 18kg pipe, only from a bipod or with support on something. In terms of accuracy, of course, it beats any RPG "below" with an index, it is easy to close up to 300 meters in a square of 50-50. It’s a pity we didn’t manage to get acquainted with it in the LNG-type "equipment".
    It is already pretty outdated, now ATGMs are comparable in weight with this "Vampire", if you translate it into a composite to make the ammunition supply at 32m and a good sight, we can still serve.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 25 January 2016 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: Marssik
      32m ammunition and a good sight, we can also serve.

      And then what will remain of the RPG-29? generator from RPG-16? Well, as for the composites - Duc, the first versions of the 29th had both steel pipes and then the front pipe became fiberglass, which, however, only worsened the balance.
      1. Massik
        Massik 26 January 2016 17: 48
        0
        The balance for this "descendant of LNG" in my opinion is not particularly important, all the same, shoot only from the support, and not from the hands.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 27 January 2016 20: 10
    0
    The bottom line is this: it's not a fact that RPG-29s get into the tank, but it doesn't matter. If we are talking about the old Syrian T-72 without a sensible DZ and hitting the side (maybe the roof) - it will certainly be burned unambiguously, this tank was not calculated to "tank" the RPG into the side (roof) If the escort infantry gave an aimed shot into the side ( roof) - then everything will be sad for almost any tank. Why almost? Here KAZ can help and it will certainly SIGNIFICANTLY, ORDERLY reduce losses from such shots or single ATGMs in a guerrilla war, here you just need to recognize the great relevance of equipping armored vehicles of the Israeli army with such systems and they go ahead of the whole planet.
    If Merkava 4 gets into the side of the modern RPG (roof), then the consequences will also be sad and this is also a fact. Without KAZ it’s just a good tank, with KAZ it’s probably the best in the world, because most of the bearded with a shaitan pipe are not afraid of him, and now such wars are a priority.
  • cosmos132
    cosmos132 23 February 2016 22: 16
    0
    There is everything, but "Vampire" is not. An empty pipe may be lying around