Roscosmos pushes the implementation of the lunar program?

The next waiver of one of the previously designated points of development of manned space flight was announced in Roscosmos. This time, the Federal Space Agency spoke in favor of not launching the Angara-A5B rocket, which, as previously assumed, could have taken place by the 2025 year. In the original plans of the FKA, it was stated that with the help of the Angara-A5B heavy launch vehicle, the Russian lunar program would be launched with the launch of manned spacecraft.

The Federal Space Program, calculated for the period from 2016 to 2025, states that until the 2025 year mentioned, there will be "ground based experimental testing of the launch vehicle". About flight tests "Angara-A5V" is not in question. From this we can conclude about the postponement of the implementation of the lunar program.

At the same time, Roskosmos says that by the 2021, the first launch of the manned spacecraft Federation will take place. The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles. If for these funds we succeed in creating a new spacecraft, then, as the news agency notes TASS, The Federation will cost 3,5 times cheaper than the American Dragon spacecraft. In the initial draft of the Federal Space Program, the cost of work on the "Federation" was more than 66 billion rubles. As you can see, there has been a noticeable adjustment towards reducing the cost of development.

The draft of the new Federal Space Program has been prepared for submission to the Russian government for consideration.

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[kil 31]

The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles. If for these funds it is really possible to create a new spacecraft, then, as the TASS news agency notes, the Federation will cost 3,5 times cheaper than the American spacecraft Dragon. In the initial draft of the Federal Space Program, the cost of work on the "Federation" amounted to more than 66 billion rubles. As you can see, there was a noticeable adjustment in the direction of reducing the cost of development.

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell. It is necessary to do anti-corruption adjustment.

[Civil]

What is the lunar program? When will the ROSCOSMOS finally adopt the NORMAL Cosmonautics Development Program?

[Linkor9s21]

Quote: Civil

What is the lunar program? When will the ROSCOSMOS finally adopt the NORMAL Cosmonautics Development Program?

What do you want us to fly to Jupiter? why not just in the sun? For one thing, let's check whether our "friends" Americans were there.

[79807420129]

Quote: Linkor9s21

For one thing, let's check whether our "friends" Americans were there.

Whether the devil knew or didn’t know, but it’s known for certain that the sites on the Moon were sold with might and main.

[kil 31]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Linkor9s21

For one thing, let's check whether our "friends" Americans were there.

Whether the devil knew or didn’t know, but it’s known for certain that the sites on the Moon were sold with might and main.

They showed one amers. I bought a plot in a place with our moon rover. Paid a lot more. Satisfied, like an ace, he didn’t bounce to the ceiling.

[Izotovp]

We do not need the Far Cosmos as many say !! But the Americans see nothing to do billions on rovers throwing ?! Yes, they are already starting to sell concessions for the development of minerals in the asteroid belt while we think why do we need space at all !!!!

[Izotovp]

Who put the minus, what is wrong I said? Arguments where?

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: keel 31

I bought a plot in a place with our moon rover.

Surely our Lunokhod is mined and this amers will not get it. Previously, Soviet scientists were strict with this, because there was a "cold war" ...

[vlad66]

Quote: keel 31

They showed one amers. I bought a plot in a place with our moon rover. Paid a lot more. Satisfied, like an ace, he didn’t bounce to the ceiling.

Here it is only interesting how he will get to his lunar "summer cottage" site.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Linkor9s21

For one thing, let's check whether our "friends" Americans were there.

Whether the devil knew or didn’t know, but it’s known for certain that the sites on the Moon were sold with might and main.

With the same success, we, dear, we can trade the galaxy ... Especially not inflating prices ...
I don’t know what plans our scientists have, but I’d better recreate the orbital station, and return the name “Mir”. So that competitors get lost. Well, but only tourists to the ISS ... for their money.

[sharp-lad]

Whoever hits the "peg" first will be the owner, and those who bought a piece of the Moon without taking their backs off the chair - further along Lavrov!

[prorab_ak]

Personally, I want us to plan out all the satellites, rather than 1 to 3 accidents ... do not find that this is a full pe .... ??? Start from scratch so to speak ... otherwise we don’t have enough fingers to to count the unsuccessful launches over the past 5 years, and no organizational conclusions have been made, shuffled the gobliners and that’s all the same, to call potatoes potatoes.
I dare to remind those who dream of a lunar program that the loss of commercial launches, and they were more than once with us, greatly affects both the reputation and the wallet of the Russian space industry, because. they paid for launching commercial satellites, and paid good money

[Infinity]

Quote: Linkor9s21

so that we fly to Jupiter

But not a single Soviet / Russian AMS flew further than Mars and Venus.
Could it be in due time.

[Persistent]

and why not in the sun?

Anecdote ..

There are no fools in the CPSU Central Committee either !! since you can’t fly in the sun during the day (hot - burn), fly at night !!!

[Sharky]

You know, but I would like the Lunar program to develop and be implemented on time. It would be interesting to send some new generation lunar rover to the moon exactly where the sworn "friends" supposedly landed and stuck the flag! The coordinates of this place are known. So, go for a ride there ... Take pictures of the area, traces there on the surface ... equipment left by "friends". At the same time, the truth would be learned / told to everyone. Such thoughts.

[Izotovp]

To do this, they were going to launch a target private satellite with the money raised for this business. To take photos of the place and confirm / refute the fact of the moon of the Americans.

[tol100v]

Quote: Sharky

. At the same time, they would know / tell everyone.

And who needs such a truth, and even for our money? The truth is that now the states are buying the RD-180 from Russia, then the question is: - and on what did they fly to the moon? Probably on a broomstick! (Or trampoline)

[Infinity]

Probably on the F-1. They are smart guys, F-1 is expensive and dangerous by modern standards, and RD-180 is cheap and safe.
At the same time, the J-2, the engine of the 3rd stage Saturn V, was used in the Space Shuttles, they fit well. They have everything measured by profit.

[Wheel]

Quote: Infinity

They are smart guys, F-1 is expensive and dangerous by modern standards

Let's leave the "expensive" aside, but about the danger, so they say that ALL launches were "successful", not a single misfire, not a single malfunction. Why did he become unreliable?
The most reliable engine of all time!

[Infinity]

Quote: Wheel

passed "successfully", not a single misfire, not a single malfunction. Why did he become unreliable?

Duc, the Germans worked. More precisely, a German. German genius von Braun, since 1959. So they forced to fly.
And there were a lot of problems with the F-1. Now it’s banging, then something else But here I was talking about modern safety factors.

[PCF]

Yes Yes Yes!!! not a single false start, not a single breakdown, 15 starts (along with test ones) and everything is absolutely in the hole !!!
... we cannot understand and catch up ...

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Infinity

Probably on the F-1. They are smart guys, F-1 is expensive and dangerous by modern standards

Dear and dangerous - this is not so bad. But the fact that he basically could not develop the declared craving is a real disaster.
Here is a link to an article where it is proved:
http://free-inform.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-13-0.htm
And there is no thrust — there is no way to derive the mass necessary for a manned flight to the moon. This is the first.
Secondly, the NASA newsreel shows how astronauts who allegedly spent two weeks in zero gravity in tight Apollo walk briskly. After two weeks in the Unions, our cosmonauts themselves could not go, some even in a pre-infarction state, on a stretcher to the hospital. And astronauts - jumpy jump out without a help from a capsule swaying on waves - and nothing.
Thirdly, if you look at the very sparkling capsules in the sun, then there are strong doubts that they slowed down in the atmosphere from the second cosmic velocity in the plasma cloud without even being buried.
Fourthly, even if there are Apollo lander modules on the Moon, this is not at all proof that there were people there. The piece of iron could remain from the automatic station. Not even necessarily refundable.
PS: Why fly somewhere if there is Hollywood?

[Izotovp]

We collected voluntary donations from everyone)))

[lelikas]

Quote: Civil

What is the lunar program? When will the ROSCOSMOS finally adopt the NORMAL Cosmonautics Development Program?

Alas, in Russia, until now, there is no normal program, the development of Russia itself, but you swung it into space ....

[jaguar]

When in the end will the ROSCOSMOS adopt the NORMAL Cosmonautics Development Program? With such sawyers never ..... well, there’s no Stalin on them

[tol100v]

Quote: Civil

What is the lunar program?

Conducting research - I agree! Implementation of the expedition - NO! In Russia, on earth, there is still so much undeveloped that just hold on to your head! And all this is not mastered, adversaries are already sharpening a tooth! That's where the PROGRAMS are needed for mastering!

[sa-ag]

Quote: Tol100v

And all this is not mastered, adversaries are already sharpening a tooth! That's where the PROGRAMS are needed for mastering!

Are you all about oil?

[Persistent]

What is the lunar program? When will the ROSCOSMOS finally adopt the NORMAL Cosmonautics Development Program?

With the filing of "effective managers" and Serdyukov, they practically ruined the Research Institute of Prarashutostroeniya !!! Even garbage containers are not taken out of the territory !!!!! All new promising developments were extinguished, even for 6 local "Rus" !!! They are about to send everyone on an unpaid vacation ...
The former director Astakhov was devoured. The new one (which is part-time) has not signed any documents since the beginning of December, even for garbage collection ... KIRDYK Institute. There were pay delays. But after contacting the prosecutor's office, the "effective managers" fought about @ and now they pay more or less on time.

[Homo]

Quote: keel 31

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell. It is necessary to do anti-corruption adjustment.

Again blah blah blah off topic! If only the first to write a post, but what doesn’t matter?

[kil 31]

Quote: Homo

Quote: keel 31

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell. It is necessary to do anti-corruption adjustment.

Again blah blah blah off topic! If only the first to write a post, but what doesn’t matter?

The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles and amounted to more than 66 billion rubles. As you can see, there was a noticeable adjustment in the direction of reducing the cost of development.

You dear, first learn to read and understand the entire article, and not just the headline. Then, as you put it blah blah blah will be the topic.

[guzik007]

The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles.
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Sochi road - a red meadow cost 57 billion rubles. Well, of course ! can not be compared! sporting shows are more important here. Moreover, the Queens in the country are already over, why spend money?

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: guzik007

Sochi road - a red meadow cost 57 billion rubles. Well, of course ! can not be compared! sporting shows are more important here. Moreover, the Queens in the country are already over, why spend money?

Even the states that sell green candy wrappers at a high price all over the world do not have enough money for all the show-offs. But Russia does not sell candy wrappers, which means it has much less ability to finance infrastructure, social programs, etc.
That is, there will always be not enough funds for all the Wishlist, which means that whiners will always have a reason to write "it would be better instead of ... spent money on ..." And in the ellipsis after "instead of" - this is almost always something very important for country.

[dmi.pris1]

We need an "anti-thief" correction with a "hard landing" on the bunks of those who have stolen, and continue to steal in and around the department ..

Quote: Kil 31

The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles. If for these funds it is really possible to create a new spacecraft, then, as the TASS news agency notes, the Federation will cost 3,5 times cheaper than the American spacecraft Dragon. In the initial draft of the Federal Space Program, the cost of work on the "Federation" amounted to more than 66 billion rubles. As you can see, there was a noticeable adjustment in the direction of reducing the cost of development.

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell. It is necessary to do anti-corruption adjustment.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Kil 31

The development of this ship is estimated at about 58 billion rubles. If for these funds it is really possible to create a new spacecraft, then, as the TASS news agency notes, the Federation will cost 3,5 times cheaper than the American spacecraft Dragon. In the initial draft of the Federal Space Program, the cost of work on the "Federation" amounted to more than 66 billion rubles. As you can see, there was a noticeable adjustment in the direction of reducing the cost of development.

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell. It is necessary to do anti-corruption adjustment.

It is necessary to do an anti-corruption landing. Maybe the price without kickbacks will drop.

[Primus pilus]

Yes, it’s not until the moon, but a pity.

[Al_oriso]

There is nothing to be done, crisis. Maybe in a couple of years.

[Vadim237]

At least 10 years later, and even then the Americans fly to the moon again first.

[tol100v]

Quote: Vadim237

, and even then the Americans fly to the moon again first.

They can’t! No S. Kubrick! And the lunatics banned them, for their bad behavior: - urinate on flower beds!

[Vadim237]

Who about lunatics and Kubrick - and our Roscosmos again has an "accident" with a satellite http://vpk.name/news/148160_kosmonavtiku_podvela_pirotehnika.html

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Yes, it’s not until the moon, but a pity.

They had just gathered on karachiks a little farther than their orbits ... well, who would doubt it - the next American d ... got out under the name daish. Now on the surface of business for decades. No, that carthage must be multiplied by zero, they themselves rot and will not allow others to develop.

[Neko75]

Quote: keel 31

I do not like the adjustment due to the fact that the ruble fell.

Many programs are trimming.

[tol100v]

Quote: Neko75

Many programs are trimming.

And Kyrgyzstan refused to build several hydropower plants. But there most likely the influence is OUTSIDE!

[sa-ag]

Quote: Tol100v

And Kyrgyzstan refused to build several hydropower plants.

There seems to be China connected

[Woodman]

It is a pity, of course, but apparently there are more urgent needs.

[JonnyT]

refused to the joy of the sawmills. Money has already been invested in the project and abandoning its implementation, the money will settle on the accounts and someone else ....... but the ISS will in every way help and develop, to the delight of the bourgeoisie.

in growing up. in space we have agents of influence

[Starik72]

Yes, this hour is a very difficult situation, so we are not in a hurry with space exploration. Well, not at all, we’ve experienced such periods in life, we’ll survive these and we’ll mine ore on the Moon, and we will plant apple trees on Mars.

[Vadim237]

It seems that we will not plant anything there - this will be done by others who do not cut space programs.

[Vadim237]

Here about reductions in the form of more specific will be http://vpk.name/news/148039_rossiya_otkazyivaetsya_ot_ryada_kosmicheskih_program
m.html

[Tra-ta-ta]

Understand corruption in this industry first ... And then try to absorb billions.
Ato, whatever the launch, so the money "down the drain".

[Plato]

Explain to me why go to the moon? No business on earth? Are Russian planes flying? Have you come up with a cure for cancer? Do we manufacture our computers and have the whole world flooded with them? For science, there is nothing interesting there, but what is there can be investigated by AMC. True, the possibility of creating such after Phobos-Grunt raises great doubts ... But for the "sawflies" of the budget, yes - the Moon is just a klondike.

[SAM 5]

All right. On Earth, you first need to restore order.

[DIMbor]

There will be no order on earth until we all begin to think and act in other categories. And the development of new territories, wherever they are, is in our blood.

[tol100v]

Quote: SAM 5

. On Earth, you first need to restore order.

At least at a distance of 750-1000 km. West of Moscow!

[Koshak]

On Earth, you first need to restore order.


At least at a distance of 750-1000 km. West of Moscow!


And to the east too ... an order of magnitude farther away ..

[Tra-ta-ta]

Pustlashay, daragoy ..!
Moscow-Kaliningrad: 1250 km. Oh yeah ??!

[Theline]

There will never be absolute order in the world. And yes, you are "absolutely right" when you say that there is nothing interesting for science in space.
But cutting the budget, this is of course another matter, here you are right.

[Plato]

not in space, but on the moon ... besides, the USSR was hurt by asking ... should we start small, for example, from telecommunication satellites that have been on for 15 years and have not burned, or from DZ satellites that take off and don't fall . I am silent about corruption

[tol100v]

Quote: TheLine

But cut the budget, this is of course another thing

And this is already interesting for many officials from the "space"!

[Vadim237]

We produce our computers for the military, we made serum from Ebola and someday we’ll do cancer. In the meantime, we are at the outer curb, competitors are striking far ahead.

[DIMbor]

Which roadside? Whose station is in orbit. What are the competitors? Whose rockets fly to the space station.

[Vadim237]

What competitors - the United States, their rockets and manned spacecraft are already flying to the ISS, the Europeans are getting better - they, unlike us, are not cutting their space programs.

[DIMbor]

The current US missiles are a private office. They are still far from our concern. And the geyrope is not up to flights now. They need to solve completely different tasks in the near and far future.

[Vadim237]

And this private office in the United States is doing its job perfectly, the cabin of the manned ship Dregon V2 is the first flight in the spring of this year.

[PCF]

A catapult is not supposed to?
Life teaches them nothing

[Vadim237]

When the ship enters the dense atmosphere, if the ship is destroyed, no catapults will save you.

[DIMbor]

Time will tell.

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Vadim237

And this private office in the United States is doing its job perfectly, the cabin of the manned ship Dregon V2 is the first flight in the spring of this year.

Two clarifications:
The first flight of Dragon V2 is planned not in the spring, but this fall.
Although the company is private, the share of own funds in the development is much less than the financing from NASA. By the way, this is a common NASA practice.

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Platon

Explain to me why fly to the moon? There are no affairs on earth?

Flying to the moon will greatly affect earthly affairs.
If the deception with "flights to the moon" is revealed, then it will severely hit the prestige of the states, which means it will greatly affect the dollar exchange rate.
Question: Is it profitable for the Russian Federation or China to drop the dollar exchange rate until 2025?

[Vadim237]

There was a flight and a landing too - they say there were shots of some fragments for the overall picture, that is, they stupidly finished what they didn’t take off on the moon - hence the porridge in some pictures and the video - the real moon and the landing, on others a pseudo-documentary supplementing reality.

[Valdis]

People have no imagination. To make a film that we visited the moon, like Americans, and stick the flag into the lunar crater, and "cut" the loot for the lunar program))))

[WUA 518]

Why is the Proton-M in the photo? Eh guys, it's not like that .........

[Signaller]

And where does Gagarin ???? He did not fly to the moon. And actually the message is not clear Well dawn and what ????

[Signaller]

FAIL. Why do we need it LUNA ??? Well, who else will say ????? Probably those who fly in a dream. Like sleepwalkers. The rest of it is a big DRUM. Americans have already been. We received nothing new. Everything has been known for a long time. So why pour money into this "miracle". Like Tsialkovsky sent us to space exploration ???? Yes (as proven) he was blessed. And we as one in the ranks of the blessed will stand ??? Head on what ???? Our economy will not stand it. This is in the 22nd century and that is questionable. Let's live at least a year or ten without this insanity. But as??? I am personally for. So that the pension is paid, so that there are so many children. So that they are smart. And the moon ??? Yes, let's go ...

[Izotovp]

One ruble invested in space brings about 10 rubles of profit, develops technology and improves life. Such reductions can reduce the pension, why do you need it? In many countries there is no pension and nothing, everything is fine! Have more children and they will ensure your old age.
What the Americans got after visiting the moon, we do not know. Real results are kept secret.
Our economy can sustain much more if it deals not with currency speculation of petrodollars but with real production. I repeat the hackneyed and understandable theses, but for the restoration of the country it is necessary: ​​the fight against corruption, lowering the interest rate on loans for enterprises to the global average level, control of tariffs for energy carriers and freight transportation.
And as for the "Angara" .... A sad story .... only one modular complex of the launch vehicle is needed from light to heavy and super-heavy, and "Angara" at the upper bar is the maximum average.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Signaller

Well, someone will say ????

Tourism, "Rainbow Bay" bar, "Gravity" cocktail, rover safaris, souvenirs from regolith, low-gravity sekas :-) And radio astronomy on the far side of the moon, 3D-printing of machine parts and mechanisms from local raw materials, manufacturing solar batteries, radiation-resistant electronics for the needs of extraterrestrial space, a shipyard for spacecraft, an electromagnetic catapult for launch and landing, obtaining oxygen from regolith, growing crops for self-sufficiency of the colony, consider the possibility of obtaining and storing atomic hydrogen to solve the transport issue (this is already on Earth)

[Vadim237]

Most likely there are all rare metals in large quantities on the moon.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Vadim237

Most likely there are all rare metals in large quantities on the moon.

I doubt that there is a relatively large amount of meteorite iron with titanium, followed by the asteroid belt

[Vadim237]

Iron meteorites - there are different compositions - they bombarded the Moon for billions of years, so there is a lot of material, including rare ones, on Earth.

[sharp-lad]

The moon is needed as an intermediate base for interplanetary flights, for the extraction of various resources for the construction of modules of interplanetary spacecraft, and the production of fuel for these spacecraft. And titanium on the moon ....

[Pajamas]

Quote: Signaller

FAIL. Why do we need it LUNA ??? Well, who else will say ????? Probably those who fly in a dream. Like sleepwalkers. The rest of it is a big DRUM. Americans have already been. We received nothing new. Everything has been known for a long time. So why pour money into this "miracle". Like Tsialkovsky sent us to space exploration ???? Yes (as proven) he was blessed. And we as one in the ranks of the blessed will stand ??? Head on what ???? Our economy will not stand it. This is in the 22nd century and that is questionable. Let's live at least a year or ten without this insanity. But as??? I am personally for. So that the pension is paid, so that there are so many children. So that they are smart. And the moon ??? Yes, let's go ...

Helium 3 http://topwar.ru/24664-sokrovische-luny-geliy-3.html

[rotor]

We'll have to launch avatars instead of humans on the moon, maybe this is for the best.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Then, mean, we’ll fly immediately to Mars

[Cobra77]

Here at the Yeltsin Center there were grandmas. Well, yes it’s holy ....
Here the Bolsheviks were fools, in 1922 they created the Radium Institute, essentially during the Civil War. And in a hurry with a nuclear bomb in 1949. But now it’s more difficult time, yes, again, money for the elections must be saved, or else they will choose the wrong one .... And then you don’t have to fly to anywhere, God’s opposition is ....

The crisis is in the heads of our "elites" from the Gaidar Forum. But there is not a financial crisis, but a crisis of the genre.
Why do something, why think, why develop system programs for the country, because it will bounce to 100 barrels. In the meantime, Plato, excise taxes, pensions, a new privatization of what remains. So win! Sad only for the country.

[Irokez]

There is such a saying. It's time to scatter stones and it's time to collect them. Everyone who wants to live happily ever after with a large pension and in consumerism will always advocate the cancellation of some investments in the future or in the development of the new because they want to live here and now and then what they are not interested in. That is, they do not want to scatter stones and try to collect crumbs on roads that still come across, but their crumbs (stones) are less and less and do not pay dividends in the future, and therefore this approach is doomed to extinction, impoverishment, degradation.
But whoever invests in the future (scatters stones this hour) at least a little will have from this in the future, at least for his children and future generations, this is development and movement.
Do not listen to those who talk about the present and do not think about the future - these are stagnants and egoists who only take and do not want to give anything in return. These are those whose mind has gone beyond reason and beyond their consumer nose they don’t see anything or do not want to see, or they were told not to see.

[varov14]

Gentlemen, I read all your comments, depending on the content of the article, you are thrown from side to side, only pessimism, patriotism has disappeared, but the main thing has been found justifications with worthy justifications. It turns out that money was thrown into the new cosmodrome in vain and out of time? Sawed, sawed as a result of zero? Whom shall we blame? Or they come to their senses that there are no personnel, and those that are are able to work only at the sawmill. In the damned West, conscientious "lumberjacks" are resigning, it's time for us to adopt, otherwise we would not mind sitting on the same bench with our Western partners, but it’s not a matter of dignity to do the same. It is necessary to work, and not to wait for manna from heaven in the form of possible oil dollars, water does not flow under a lying stone. 15 years down the drain.

[Dr. Bormental]

Well, why are you so excited, dear varov14? Today is Friday ... the working week is behind ... take a beer, dried fish like me, relax in front of the monitor ... Everything will be fine, everything will be decided

[minus]

Just now, the thought came ... And why make heavy rockets at the moment? From scratch? Is it impossible to practice theory and practice on small rockets? Starting with control systems, protection, and ending with the development of more energy-intensive fuels and increase engine efficiency?

[sa-ag]

Quote: Minus

ending with the development of more energy-intensive fuels

everything has already been studied here, in chemical engines it is oxygen-hydrogen, well, apart from such a hellish mixture as fluorine-lithium-hydrogen, or nuclear RD-0410, there is also hydrogen as a working fluid

[kugelblitz]

I don’t understand that everything was different right away? Firstly, they do not talk about abandoning the A5 Angara itself, but only its modifications with an oxygen-hydrogen block. Secondly, there is a much more powerful project A7.
More recently, there was news about the development of a liquefied gas engine, which is similar to the Soyuz-5 project. Apparently it was decided to give the A5 and A7 hangars a heavy sector, and the Union-5 small-medium. This is probably due to the lobbying of the KB of their projects.
Or, as an option, it was decided to use the RD-180 or 171M in the central stage, abandoning the capricious cryogenic fuel.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: kugelblitz

I don’t understand that everything was different right away?

Yes, this is a tradition on Fridays .. I’ve noticed more than once ... the men get tired for a week to see ...

[Cobra77]

Quote: Minus

Just now, the thought came ... And why make heavy rockets at the moment? From scratch? Is it impossible to practice theory and practice on small rockets? Starting with control systems, protection, and ending with the development of more energy-intensive fuels and increase engine efficiency?

And you will fly into space on trampolines holding a small rocket under your arms? And what kind of astronaut are you without a rocket ....

[minus]

I meant that technology can be honed on less expensive projects ... And in the near future (years ... many years) the moon is not relevant ... Is it not necessary to spend limited finances wisely ??? You cannot go far in space alone ...

[Shuraly]

Spending such money is not known what, and old people and people with disabilities are starving to live, pensions for chickens to laugh. The government put on such salaries and pensions, would see how they sing !!!

[Dr. Bormental]

Speak patterns, dear Shuraly! I have a mother teacher, father a doctor - both retired. All my life they plowed like horses, do not complain about retirement, do not starve. Gathered now a refrigerator and plasma to buy at the cottage. I don’t help them financially ... I don’t know what kind of pensioners you are dying of hunger

[Shuraly]

Where did you see such patterns, show us.

[Barnaul, Altai]

REALLY we will not be the first on the moon?

[Dr. Bormental]

This moon surrendered to you ... what's interesting there?

[Vadim237]

The process of colonization and mining outside the Earth.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

This moon surrendered to you ... what's interesting there?

There is not everything that is on Earth - ISIS, Syria, Turkey, Iran, CA, low oil prices, high dollar prices, Rotenberg, Plato, the Fed, the "fifth column", China, there is only you. a supply of breathing gas in your spacesuit, a shaggy sun on the horizon, sharp shadows without transitions and the hope that the technique will not let you down :-)

[Cobra77]

Quote: Shuraly

Spending such money is not known what, and old people and people with disabilities are starving to live, pensions for chickens to laugh. The government put on such salaries and pensions, would see how they sing !!!

Yes Yes. The whole cosmos is to blame. Yeah. He is acoyan. And science is that! Everything is evil from her! And so the yachts of 100 meters, the silos and the collapse of the industry have nothing to do with it. The main thing is not to spend money on space.
When you write, think at least a minute before that ....

[Shuraly]

Yachts are bought with their own money, and without the moon they lived for thousands of years, and we will live. Americans flew, looked what to do there fucking, and threw this business. On this program, again, someone steals billions.

[da Vinci]

Create a MegaCorporation and appoint President - S. Merdyukov.

[kugelblitz]

Yes, by the way, flew out of my head.

http://www.3dnews.ru/926947 явно дело в разработке сверхтяжелой ракеты Феникс, с грузоподъемностью вплоть до 100 тонн.

[Gor-1974]

It seems to me that this is not the time to wind down large projects, it is a signal for the whole world that you see how shitty it is for us already, we are curtailing and curtailing everything, we have not at all prepared for sanctions and confrontation with the West. It seems to me that large projects cannot be curtailed, or even the sanctions will be lifted and we won’t understand why. It’s just that now is the time when the authorities need to live for the country, it’s clear that you want to grab money, while it’s hard to switch from black to red caviar, but it needs to be done differently and the truth will be lifted and we won’t know why.

[Cobra77]

Quote: Shuraly

Yachts are bought with their own money, and without the moon they lived for thousands of years, and we will live. Americans flew, looked what to do there fucking, and threw this business. On this program, again, someone steals billions.

For whom are they buying? For your own? Can you tell us about privatization and loans-for-shares auctions? There is no THEIR money. There is the country's money. They did not build factories, stations, and railways. The USSR and its people did it. But the great democrats and privatizers came and, while screaming about a "bloody scoop" and a "strong master", chopped off for themselves. And now they buy yachts for their money. Well yes.

Yes, there’s still no way to build roads and do nothing at all, otherwise lards stole. Fundamental science still cannot be developed, because there is no return whatsoever, solid theories and formulas are about nothing, and money is eating. Let's not study yet, it's useless. For thousands of years you have lived and will continue to live.

You know, you’re not even infantile or far-sighted, you just go.

I apologize to everyone else for such harshness and the transition to personality.

[alone]

There is simply not enough money. This is clear to the child.

[pilot bin-bom]

Koptev: “There are a number of projects in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, where we are not able to provide payload to the target orbit, and because of this we have to remove some target equipment”, for this it is necessary to develop a missile with a carrying capacity of 35-37 tons at launching cargo into low Earth orbit.
He told about the project of creating a new Angara missile of a heavy class and the cost of this project. According to him, the new Angara-A5B will receive the third level of oxygen-hydrogen and will be able to put into geo-transfer orbit up to 12-12,5 tons of cargo, while the Angara-A5 rocket, equipped with a hydrogen overclocking unit, could put all 7 into such an orbit tons of cargo. The addition of the third oxygen-hydrogen stage will also allow the Angara-A5В rocket to bring up to 27 tons of cargo into the reference orbit against Angara-A24 tons of 5 tons.

Not so, on such a scooter, fly to the Moon and go back and return - at least three starts and assembly of the structure in orbit.
The 70-80 tons heavy draft project was buried long ago, and when the Angara-A5V is brought to mind, it will have to be written off as unnecessary

[Vadim237]

For this, in the USA and China, work on superheavy missiles is in full swing - the first launch of the SLS rocket is scheduled for the end of 2018.

[Vadim237]

And in 2017, in the USA, the largest air launch aircraft will fly into the air.

[Diviz]

with such a worldview on the ruble and the dollar people do not care about the moon. News media are ready to talk and talk about the dollar. interesting in north korea or china as well.

[guzik007]

That wound up, do not need space, do not need the moon. And there are more and more of those around. But do not forget that a person differs from a pig in that the pig’s neck is designed so that it can look either in front of itself or down in the trough, and the person is lucky — he can raise his head and he sees an endless starry sky. Only 60-70 years ago people lived in the country, half-poor and poor, who did not think primarily of the trough. And Gagarin happened.
Yes, there were people in our time - heroes are not you ... as the poet said. A great country has disappeared - great people have disappeared. On the mind of the majority, eat deliciously-buy plasma and a hut abruptly (the same trough) And it feels like the same mood above. Well, there are no longer any personalities of equal rank to the Queen and the then leadership, for whom the dream of outer space was in the first place.

[TOR2]

In exploring the cosmos, humanity must be prepared for the fact that it will meet with that which lies beyond our consciousness. To begin with, we don’t know what the moon is, or rather, it’s a natural or artificial satellite. The mattresses have already been flooded once from there, and so much so that they curtailed their entire program, although the money allocated for it was not small.

[Vadim237]

You REN TV watched too long.

[egor1712]

And what is this program of the manned spacecraft "federation". Didn't hear.

[Vadim237]

Another project of a manned ship, which is likely to remain unrealized, like many others.

[TOR2]

In the program "cosmonautics" is mentioned as if about by the way.
https://youtu.be/4F63qFpJlnk

[any]

The Federation was "lightened" by $ 8 billion.