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Two faces of patriotic Belarus

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Two faces of patriotic Belarus



What is written here, in principle, can be attributed to any country of the former USSR. The whole question is how far the processes of the formation of patriotic forces will go and what will they eventually lead to. There is no need to go far for an example, an example is near. And with Russia, and with Belarus.

There is such a patriotic union in Belarus, the Young Front. The union is frankly nationalistic. The Front has its combat wing, the Vayar detachment. “Vayar” is supposed to be considered as the official military-patriotic club, respectively, its activities do not cause complaints and suspicions among the authorities.

But let's turn our attention to some (pretty fresh) photographic materials. Here is a photo (on the right) from the reconstruction site. These guys are reconstructing the Waffen-SS 30 Belarusian division, which is understandable by their form. There is nothing reprehensible in this, if you do not drive much on the topic. Reconstruction - the thing is that without the Germans in any way. With someone must fight the soldiers and officers of the Red Army in productions, it is logical? So no complaints.



But the left picture from the training base of the already mentioned "Vayar". Taken from their group in contact. We draw attention to the menswear's naruvavny chevronchik. And we compare it with the reconstruction. How is it? So I do not really like it.

But we go further. And what is this little man in the background, so even with a bared face? Does it seem to me, or is his chevron hinting at some neighboring state? A scarf so familiar, black and red and with a golden trident, I also saw someone. And why does this scarf evoke memories of the “Right Sector”?

Strange alignment. And then the question arises, “against whom to be friends,” will this campaigner agitate with such familiar symbolism? The question is clearly rhetorical.

But in the following photos it becomes quite sad.



This photo is again “Vayar”, from some training ground. The point is not in the ground, the essence of the flags, which demonstrate quite openly. And these photos are normally so hang on the pages of the participants.



And this is the Donbass. And the machines are not airsoft, but quite real. They are members of the Belarusian "Volunteer Tactical Group", which, I note, exists within the framework of the Ukrainian Volunteer Corps (ALC). We know very well what kind of formation this is.





By the way, are we seeing such a blue chevron? Yeah. So, this is a field version of yet another Belarusian patriotic association - “Pagonya”. Here it is in color, on the left.



This volunteer detachment is quite openly preparing all those who wish and sending it to the Donbass. To fight as part of DUK. These are the layouts.

It should also be noted that in the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus there is one aspect. A person taking part in conflicts on the territory of other countries as part of official units is not considered a mercenary. And the law has no complaints against him. What not to say about those who participate in informal organizations. The type of units of the DNI and LC. Here those just fall under the article on mercenarism.

But the article was written long before the events in the Donbass, and hardly anyone could have imagined then that frankly pro-fascist and nationalist structures would become official structures. But ... the law does not imply any other interpretation.

However, for some reason, the Belarusian volunteers on the side of the ALM prefer individuals not to advertise.

Let's go back to Belarus. And just a couple of photos on this topic.



This is Minsk. This procession "Young Front". Bah, familiar all faces! Bandera, Shushkevich, Bulak-Bulakhovich ... And a couple of scum local bottling. I don’t know who Vincent Galleis is, and to be honest with me, to be honest, but I’ve heard about Mikhail Vitushka. The main policeman in the territory of occupied Belarus, the "father" of mobile units of the occupying auxiliary police.

People interested say that Vitushka died in Germany, where he fled after the war, in 2006, as well. People from the other side of the village prefer the version of the death of Vitushka 7 in January 1945 in a battle with a detachment of the NKVD near the village of Rudniki. I like the second one more.

However, a worthy person in the row. And the handicraft making of a banner is striking by no means.

Many Belarusians claim that, say, these nationalists are an exclusively metropolitan phenomenon. "Golden Youth", which goes crazy to the best of its depravity. Everything would be fine if it were really true. From my friend from Odessa, my former neighbor, in 2013, I also heard rather scornful statements towards the Maidan. “They will leave us, they are violet on us, we have something to do here in Odessa.” And it turned out like ...



But here, please, a demonstration in a small town Lutsk. The same flags. Well, the inscription on the banner can not translate. If you search, I am sure that you can find photos of such processions in cities other than Minsk and Lutsk.

The fact that anti-Russian and overtly nationalist movements openly show themselves in Belarus is somewhat unpleasant. If only because it is obvious that the Ukrainian lessons for the future did not go. And the authorities should have thought about their tolerance towards nationalists. Yes, rehearsals Maidan in the republic have already been. And they ended for the organizers pitiably, that is, very polite, but overclocking. However, some powder in the old dog is ...

Now about things more pleasant for the Russian eyes. It would be absolutely unfair to expose Belarus as a sort of hangout for the nationalists of the fascist warehouse. Moreover, my opinion is still inclined to believe that Belarusian nationalists really do not have such a critical mass. That is, the total explosion will not lead. But the fact that more than once try, do not go to the fortuneteller.

And in order to better know those who oppose them, I turned specifically to nationalist sites. Where the "patriots" are trying in every way to spit on their opponents.

No, the nationalists work beautifully. With taste and fiercely.





Here are the training of the military-patriotic club "Cossack Savior". Nationalists water the Cossacks from the heart. And there were no Cossacks on the territory of Belarus (well, well, at Khmelnytsky was a bit), and they look at Russia, and the pages in social networks are full of Russian and imperial flags ... And I don’t understand what children are taught. It is clear that according to the nationalists, nothing good.

But pay attention, nobody hides faces. And their names are known. The first photo of Peter Zubatsky, Peter Shapko, Sergey Zubatsky. To the right is Militia Lieutenant Denis Mishkel (we should especially be talking about him). Behind Sergey Zubatsky - the militia major Pavel Naida.

Opponents are embarrassed that the police, instead of planting these pro-Russian Cossacks where they need to, stand in a row with them. It is very embarrassing.

In the second photo on some guys black berets. Not for nothing. In order to get the right to wear such a beret, you need to pass the regulations. Yes, not simple. To get a “black beret”, a graduate of the club must pass tests like a simplified putting on “krapovy”: run 10 kilometers in full calculation, go through an obstacle course and defend three rounds in hand-to-hand combat with an instructor.

There is, by the way, some profit from this deal, besides the black beret. Their owners free parachute jumps at the base of the Grodno Aeroclub.

We, in turn, have already written about such practices in Russia, when 16-17-year-olds in military-sports clubs seriously threaten these norms. And many successfully pass. Belarusians are no worse.



And here is another photo with two very remarkable people. On the left is police lieutenant Mishkel, who has already met in one of the previous photos, on the right is Archpriest Yevgeny Pavelchuk. What could unite the representative of the power structure and the minister of the church?

These are, dear readers, creators of the clubs “Slavs” and “Druzhina” in the Grodno region.

In general, this shepherd must be said separately. With great pleasure I will tell you. He served this worthy shepherd in Shchukin. And there, together with Mishkel, he founded the club "Druzhina". Pavelchuk was transferred to serve in Grodno. What do you think calmed down? Yeah ... So the club "Slavs" appeared.

This is what I call a service. Man serves not only God, but also the Fatherland. In this way.

In general, the Grodno diocese is something! For an ordinary Russian who is used to the fact that our church has a slightly different policy, this is a shock. Priests create military-patriotic Orthodox clubs! Learn Russian! And in the Grodno region there are five such Orthodox clubs. The total number of participants is more than two hundred people. Few? Rivers with streams begin. A hundred people is, if my memory serves me, already a company.

“Squad” at the Church of the Epiphany in Shchuchin, “Slavs” at the Holy Protection Cathedral of Grodno, “Knights” at the St. Vladimir's Church in Grodno, “Belaya Rus” at the Church of the Holy Blessed Prince Alexander Nevsky in the village of Vertelishki and the Brotherhood Club at the temple in honor of the Cathedral of All Belarusian Saints of the city of Grodno.

In addition to Grodno, Orthodox military-patriotic clubs are organized by dioceses in Vitebsk, Minsk, Brest, Turov, Berezino, Mogilev, Gomel, Polotsk, Bobruisk. A total of fourteen. What is very, very saddens some part of the Belarusian public. To hysterics right sad.

There is such a journalist, Artem Gorbatsevich, so if you read him, the “fifth column”, which is ready to serve Russia, is trained in these clubs. Well, what can I say ... everyone has his own. Someone at Bandera with Shushkevich places it on the page, but for some reason this doesn’t bother Gorbatsevich.



But for some reason, this colic begins. I pulled it out of his little article. With such a comment to the screen: "The administrators of the association" Orthodox military-patriotic clubs of the Grodno diocese "VKontakte are not shy to spread Russian flags on the cell wall."

Why not? Do not spread the white-red cloth of the Belarusian traitors-policemen.

And I, as a Russian, are much nicer to see these, not hidden by balaclava and retouching, faces.



And in conclusion, I just want to wish success to all who stand today in Belarus against the admirers of Bandera, Shushkevich and other executioners of the Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian peoples.
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 January 2016 06: 51 New
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    Something Lukashenko played with one-child. Ukrainians, too, it all began with them, but now the question is whether Ukraine should be.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 January 2016 08: 33 New
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      I already wrote about nat. movement in Belarus, and could not beat off the defenders of the children ...
      It is good that there are far-sighted people who were able to oppose their barrier to the Nazi infection.
      Roman for the article big + hi
      1. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 11: 28 New
        -26 qualifying.
        Yes, ban this author for inciting ethnic hatred! All this has been discussed and chewed dozens of times. There is nothing wrong with using a national flag, not a Soviet-era flag.
        About Belarus and Donbas frank fake. The PR slogans came up with a new slogan for Lukashenka, that only he saves Belarus from the war and that is why Belarusians should endure any taxes that he had already generated with the 10 current from the new year (though they still don’t force people to pay for the snow that fell, but already You can get a fine).
        Moreover, any sane person will understand the background of this PR-- Lukashenko saves us from enemies who are trying to occupy us, since it would be idiotic to believe that Bobruisk could fight Zhodino
        1. Belousov
          Belousov 25 January 2016 12: 04 New
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          Bobruisk can’t fight with Zhodino, but Kiev also couldn’t seem to be fighting with Donetsk, but in fact it’s fighting. So enough of these nationalist-fascist rags.
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 12: 30 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Belousov
            Bobruisk can not fight with Zhodino

            About how) Let's hear Lukashenka: I and the security forces will defend Belarus from any enemies, no matter where they come from: from the west or from the east. "We will fight!"
            He admitted that he was intimidated by the threat from Russia. "If Putin comes here tomorrow, it is not known which side the Russians will fight on."
            "If we are men, no one else should be allowed to invade our land and scold children, old people and women. We must protect our country with our lives, in which a peaceful and prosperous nation will live."

            It seems as if it’s obvious that the potato dictator wasn’t talking about an internal threat.
            1. Your friend
              Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 34 New
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              Quote: Lord of Wrath
              About how) Let's hear Lukashenka: I and the security forces will defend Belarus from any enemies, no matter where they come from: from the west or from the east. "We will fight!"
              He admitted that he was intimidated by the threat from Russia. "If Putin comes here tomorrow, it is not known which side the Russians will fight on."

              It seems as if it’s obvious that the potato dictator wasn’t talking about an internal threat.

              It’s cool, I imagine, some Cameron or Merkel would say so about Obama. And here is our ally, leader of the brotherly people, so to speak, please. We have nice friends.)))
        2. Belousov
          Belousov 25 January 2016 12: 04 New
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          Bobruisk can’t fight with Zhodino, but Kiev also couldn’t seem to be fighting with Donetsk, but in fact it’s fighting. So enough of these nationalist-fascist rags.
        3. Conductor
          Conductor 25 January 2016 14: 30 New
          -12 qualifying.
          Lord of Wrath
          Damn, I’ve thought of betting whether there is an adequate person in the comments) For my thoughts, a well-deserved plus +
          It is strange that the author is trying to start inciting interethnic strife under his favorite sauce "Russians are offended again" and "it started in Ukraine the same way"
          And I, as a Russian, are much nicer to see these, not hidden by balaclava and retouching, faces.

          Yes, it's not about faces (and everyone understands this very well), but about the gradually promoted IDEOLOGY. First, these are "harmless" Cossack saviors, and then these vyser:

          which, in turn, is unpleasant to look at me already
          1. Alex
            Alex 25 January 2016 18: 36 New
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            Quote: Explorer
            "it started in Ukraine as well"

            By the way, this is how it all began in Ukraine. First, dressing up on Khreshchatyk, then scouts of various stripes (in Banderstan, their organizations had a very telling name - "Volchata"), then drunken "students" on Contact, then a warm-up in Mukachevo, after a year and a half they were children of the 2004 model, now - grown up wolves. ..

            Belarus in fact, the first step has already passed, it is the turn of others. And the wolf cubs are already trying their teeth ...
          2. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 26 January 2016 02: 49 New
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            Quote: Explorer
            I’ve thought of betting whether there is an adequate person in the comments

            Judging by the number of cons, there are not so many sane people.
            It's time to tie up with the topwar. They were flooded with absolutely brainless "representatives of the intellectual majority," who were promoted to marshals in the news with the phrases "Burn the dill" and "Bomb ISIS". Russian censor. Is not easy
            To debate with the likes is useless. Vote now on the site: so the army will again be dressed in tunics, in kirzachi with footcloths, a slate in his hands and transplanted to T34, and be sure to half the budget of the country on 5 pieces of the largest aircraft carriers, and it’s a shame for the state.
            They will clean them, or they will give out the shoulder straps of the "musical troops", let them crowing sing, it will be possible to return
          3. Your friend
            Your friend 2 February 2016 21: 55 New
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            Quote: Explorer
            Lord of Wrath
            Damn, I’ve thought of betting whether there is an adequate person in the comments) For my thoughts, a well-deserved plus +
            It is strange that the author is trying to start inciting interethnic strife under his favorite sauce "Russians are offended again" and "it started in Ukraine the same way"
            And I, as a Russian, are much nicer to see these, not hidden by balaclava and retouching, faces.

            Yes, it's not about faces (and everyone understands this very well), but about the gradually promoted IDEOLOGY. First, these are "harmless" Cossack saviors, and then these vyser:

            which, in turn, is unpleasant to look at me already

            And what? Really did not enlarge Soviet Belarus and Soviet Ukraine? If it’s not nice to see, then return the territory to those who gave it to you, ahahaha ...
        4. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 25 January 2016 17: 55 New
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          Lord of Wrath
          There is nothing wrong with using a national flag, not a Soviet-era flag.


          and you didn’t think that using the so-called quotation mark of the national flag gives the right to another much larger half of the population of 90 to 10 to also remember about another historically real flag) guess what winked wink

          Let's start with the fact that Belarus, like Ukraine, once did not exist as a single state within these borders. these are artificially created quasi-states created and existing solely thanks to the good will of the Soviet Union! Moreover, after the Second World War, when every third citizen of the country was killed according to statistics! and people from all over the Soviet Union came to revive the new Belarus and remained to live in RB, and what national flag could be discussed! (in addition, from a very dubious history, even on Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belo- red-white_flag), not to mention if you start to study the real historical data on the origin of the flag that you like or not! rooted in lithuania yes ) in such a situation, it is natural that it will be perceived by the majority of the population as (like a flag of a nationalistly aggressive minority! mainly young people coached by the West) that it will be used to its fullest to incite hostility! Lithuanians and Poles! it is inevitable! further CONCLUSION -
          and in order to avoid this and to undermine the country to the state of (nationalist) folly of ukro-piteks !! Lukasheko made the only corrected choice in this situation; he just kept everything as it was! Potam have something else sooner or later! whether you like it or not, a civil war would also be purely in accordance with the Ukrainian scenario!
          Personally, the Bssr flag suits me very much good ! and really like it! if you are unhappy with them - these are your problems!
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 26 January 2016 02: 34 New
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            Quote: regressSSSR
            Personally, the Bssr flag suits me very much! and really like it!

            That's truly Ivan-kinship-not-remembering.
            Now make Russia mother accept the flag of the RSFSR
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 26 January 2016 04: 13 New
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              Lord of Wrath
              That's truly Ivan-kinship-not-remembering.


              everything is exactly the opposite) very knowledgeable what is the relationship between the white and red flag

              Lord of Wrath
              Now make Russia mother accept the flag of the RSFSR


              and I don’t even mind!) yes
          2. No login
            No login 26 January 2016 12: 44 New
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            Dear BELARUSIAN, please explain who lived in the territory of quasi-states until the moment of their creation thanks to the extremely good will of Owls. Union? Here without sarcasm. The name Russia was finally established for Russia during the reforms of Peter the Great. And before that, it was somehow called the Moscow Principality, Muscovy, etc. And this fact does not give rise to the Russians to say that Russia before Peter is a quasi-state. Their history flows continuously. Please answer the question.
            By the way, it was stated to me, like you, in school textbooks that every 4th person died in Belarus (during World War II). And you will not deny it. And about every 3rd dead man, comrade, if not mistaken, spoke. Zyuganov in an interview. And it was fixed. I read somewhere that this is not reality.
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 26 January 2016 19: 31 New
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              please explain who lived on the territory of quasi-states until the moment of their creation thanks to the extremely good will of Owls. Union? Here without sarcasm


              yes, the quasi-state agrees incorrect termen in this case - got excited! I apologize hi
              Do you mean historically or modern alignment?
              most of the naturally Belarusians (officially I think about 7 million)
              The formation of the first political associations on the Belarusian lands dates back to the VI – IX centuries. This process is closely related to the resettlement of the Slavs. As a result of the merger of the cultures of the newly arrived Slavs and local Balts, alliances of tribes arose, among them Krivichi, Dregovichi, Radimichi, Yatvyag, Lithuania, and some others that became the forerunners of the first state formations.
              I really love this country and the people living here! with all my heart I wish you happiness and prosperity and very much! HIGHLY! I don’t want to repeat the Ukrainian script here! and I see only one way to prevent this from happening!

              The name Russia was finally established for Russia during the reforms of Peter the Great.


              Throughout its history, Russia has fought to become an independent and strong empire over time! she proved it and deserved it by right! you don’t want to say that at this historical moment Belarus whose lands have always been particles of other large empires! SUDDENLY! without fighting for your own independence! almost overnight she received a gift from the whole state, and for the first time in history, by the way! Suddenly it became ABSOLUTELY INDEPENDENT! and able to go the whole long difficult Way of Russia! yes do not make me laugh))) you will not argue with the fact that all medium-sized state formations in the new world order somehow depend on large States and any attempt to get out of their influence can only be in the direction of dependence on another major world player )) Well, certainly not in the direction of complete independence from everyone))
              and nationalism in this case is just a tool! if the political system is weak and helpless (ala Ukraine) then it is used to the fullest by everyone and sundry and that ultimately always leads to the complete collapse of the artificially created state! therefore, peace and the future in such states is possible only in stability and the state’s ability to ensure this stability!

              By the way, I, like you, in school textbooks stated that every 4th died in Belarus (in World War II)


              perhaps!
              but in my opinion the situation from this does not fundamentally change!
              not even you want to say! that every 4th dead is not as bad as every 3rd ??
              1. No login
                No login 26 January 2016 20: 56 New
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                Oh, thanks for the adequacy!

                Throughout its history, Russia has fought to become an independent and strong empire over time! she proved it and deserved it by right! you don’t want to say that at this historical moment Belarus whose lands have always been particles of other large empires! SUDDENLY! without fighting for your own independence! almost overnight she received a gift from the whole state, and for the first time in history, by the way! Suddenly it became ABSOLUTELY INDEPENDENT!
                1. No login
                  No login 27 January 2016 09: 12 New
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                  You expressed your subjective opinion, which in many cases is not supported by historical facts, therefore it is impossible to assert anything with such conviction. It would be more correct to use words - it seems to me, I think, etc.
                  Our land was not always called Belarus, but the people of Belarus. Here, to the fact that, like the Russians, there is a story before the emergence of Russia, so we have it, it exists before the term Belarus appeared. This is a whole history course. In ON we were independent, and the people were called Litvins. They called themselves that.
                  When you talk about gaining ABSOLUTE independence (suddenly), what period of time do you consider? Belarus within the USSR or RB? What is ABSOLUTE independence. And in general, learn something about the formation of Belarusian statehood in the early 20th century. By the way, the state of Belarus received the right to be the state of Belarus, because Belarusians lived on the territory, not Russians. I mean the self-identification of the population.
                  I agree with you that there are no absolutely independent states (although what the hell is not joking, maybe some Scandinavian countries and Switzerland can be classified as independent). I am an adherent of independence, no matter how funny it sounds. I would not want the country to join the European Union (I do not like it there), and even more so I do not want to enter the Russian world. Better Russian world is included in the Belarusian. I was in Europe, I was in Russia, I live in Belarus and I can compare the bad with the good. I’ll tell you that the words about the decaying Ukraine will make me laugh to tears, as well as the articles on the site that the EU has 2 months left.
                  And Lukashenko really left everything as it is. While competitors from Europe have long gone ahead. Now we have it.
                  As for those who died in the war, with such success they will soon say that all Belarusians died. Instead, they settled the Russians. Give a referendum on joining the Russian Federation !!! soldier A joke of humor. I'm all for the truth. And you?
                  I do not want to offend the Russians with my post. Everyone who has been to Russia and Belarus (both there and there) saw the difference. Therefore, if we compare the current Russian world with the Belarusian, then I am for the Belarusian in Russia. drinks .I apologize for the Abra Cadabra.
                  1. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 27 January 2016 20: 20 New
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                    You expressed your subjective opinion, which in many cases is not supported by historical facts, therefore it is impossible to assert anything with such conviction


                    almost any opinion is subjective, or do you pretend to be true))? if we are right now with you will exchange historical data and facts, then this process will drag on, believe sooo long! and I just don’t have so much free time.

                    No login
                    . In ON we were independent, and the people were called Litvins. They called themselves that.


                    such incidents always smiled at me very much winked ))
                    Sorry of course, but you yourself understand what you wrote? how independent they were and at the same time voluntarily accepted the name of a completely different ethnic group (which constituted a minority) laughinghere either were already independent! yes or just defacto become on and not Belarusians and it doesn’t work out otherwise belay ! Yes, yet at the same time they called themselves so)) oh how! and - this is the same thing to say!
                    -the Germans stopped us and renamed us nimchinov (let’s say) and then you said that they historically called themselves so laughing and where, then, with all this were the very real independent Belarusians request who defended their right to statehood with weapons in their hands!
                    no, you know the pipes! independent Belarusians! mean independent Belarusians! not any on! stripes of hostilities and the like! they have their own micro-country to lose, let the small fascists conquer there with their past great ego!
                    At least the USSR did not rename anything to anything! (The Tatars remained Tatars! And the Buryats-Buryats with their own culture! Language! And traditions, etc.) but completely preserved and increased the Belarusian culture, and we can say to cultivate and cherish what is right now and called INDEPENDENT BELARUS! and kill it all will be a huge mistake! you will see!
                2. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 27 January 2016 20: 27 New
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                  I am an adherent of independence, no matter how funny it sounds. I would not want the country to join the European Union (I do not like it there), and even more so I do not want to enter the Russian world. Better Russian world is included in the Belarusian


                  your right hi appear on the bowl and defend your point of view for the same and I create similar sites it seems!
                  smile that would be perfect)) but impossible!
                  you should be aware that the Blue Dream of all euro integrators with a black sovereign)) is to disassemble and then separately, without whining with katynym, still push all the former countries of the Soviet Union and preferably together with Russia under your control! - This is also an invisible war, but no less bloody! (therefore, honestly, especially do not entertain yourself with illusions, someone will not give (to the last dictator of Europe smile )) and the chance of complete independence) is all temporarily while his power is strong! (all politicians are corrupt !!! Lukasheko is just a mammoth! against their background)) anyone else who comes in his place will swing the scales in one direction or another, depending on the owners! and then there will be only a choice either with Russia or with on)) Germany and their owners - the USA! and only then my choice will be exactly obvious! you and I have different views, I personally am a supporter of the objection of the USSR, although I also understand that this is also impossible!
                  The Russian Federation, for example, can be divided into 168 states such as Belarus! China at about 87! and therefore I do not intend to realize the dream of amers! I’ll say a banal hackneyed thing- individually, we are someone! and the ending, well, you know))

                  we are just looking at problems from different points of perception! you are from the point of view of history, but I’ve gotten an eye on geopolitics and believe geopolitics is much more lively and insidious than the true historical realities of life! she simply devours them and establishes her own rules of the game for the often numbing attitude towards truth and truth! this reality it can be ignored but from this it has nowhere to disappear) yes )
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            2. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 27 January 2016 21: 16 New
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              And Lukashenko really left everything as it is. While competitors from Europe have long gone ahead. Now we have it.


              and here, as they say, without options!
              while the sharing of power was burning here, of course, competitors from Europe have already run forward! (since, in principle, they have been there for a long time))
              despite the fact that the legacy of the BSSR turned out to be frankly not very competitive for the markets of a new Europe, in which all trade beggars divided the EU countries among themselves! and with energy tyk vobshhe turned out to be a complete kirdyk! there are no options!
              BUT this does not mean that RB industry did not modernize! she just upgraded slowly and did not keep up with competitors!
              I will not prove anything to you and write about the economy RB once you live here and should be in the know! I just want you to compare what R.F. did with her light industry after the collapse of the union, which now suffers a lot! and what Belarus had to do as Belarus did its time!
              http://portal-kultura.ru/articles/syuzhet/124675-vitek-vmesto-vyatki/
              please read
            3. Your friend
              Your friend 2 February 2016 22: 06 New
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              Quote: No login
              Dear BELARUSIAN, please explain who lived in the territory of quasi-states until the moment of their creation thanks to the extremely good will of Owls. Union? Here without sarcasm. The name Russia was finally established for Russia during the reforms of Peter the Great. And before that, it was somehow called the Moscow Principality, Muscovy, etc. And this fact does not give rise to the Russians to say that Russia before Peter is a quasi-state. Their history flows continuously. Please answer the question.
              By the way, it was stated to me, like you, in school textbooks that every 4th person died in Belarus (during World War II). And you will not deny it. And about every 3rd dead man, comrade, if not mistaken, spoke. Zyuganov in an interview. And it was fixed. I read somewhere that this is not reality.

              You are ordinary, repeating all kinds of nonsense after others, a liar.) Never Muscovites residents of Muscovite Russia did not call their country that. Before Ivan 4, the great princes were titled themselves the ruler of all Russia, and then the subordinate principalities were listed. And Ivan 4 was already titled the Tsar of Russia.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 25 January 2016 09: 54 New
      18
      All the same, despite the fact that here on the site there are normal guys from Belarus who stand up for a military-political-economic alliance with Russia, but it seems that according to various information, like the one in this article, which is deep in society, in the minds of the Belarusian people still lies and flickers a flame of national identity, which, as in Ukraine, is based on the "distinctiveness" (exclusivity?) of this ethnic group from the Russians. Otherwise, why accentuate this dissimilarity on the opposition to everything Russian? According to their history, they teach how the Belarusians lived well in the Polish-Lithuanian kingdom, until the hordes of Mongol-Russians (Muscovites and Novgorodians, Ivan was of Tatar blood, this is also attached importance) conquered them. The Battle of Orsha is praised more than the heroic defense of Brest. Of course, after all, the Poles, together with the ancestors of the Belarusians, completely defeated the Russians, although Klim Zhukov told how it really happened. They are showing a war-reconstruction, so there are Belarusian SS, what a fig? one should be ashamed of this, yes, it was possible, but why show it? it is as if the first Chechen war was reconstructed in Chechnya and the mujahideen were shown dramatically cutting throats to Russian conscripts. Why emphasize that the Belarusians were against the Russians? what, there are no other Germans? show some hereditary Prussian, or Finn, Pole, Romanian. It was all specially "painted". Moreover, the photo is really "right sek" on the left. And these "suddenly" embroidered shirts that have become popular in Belarus seem to hint at solidarity with the ideas of Ukrainian "patriots". It is clear that the matter is not in the ornament, but in who uses it. The swastika was also a good sign, until Hitler vulgarized it.

      And in general, they noticed that as soon as in some country there is a fooling, cultural degradation, the youth mass of society, a certain radical form of idea is immediately reborn there. In Turkey, the pilot was also shot down by militants of the radical Turkish movement "Bozkurt" ("Gray Wolves"), who are very similar to both "Pravosek" and these "Indians". With its own banners, signs, rules and other attributes. And they are all military specialized. Do you know why? because young people, from a mental point of view, tend to be aggressive, defy, anarchic tendencies. (like in a joke - do you know why they are recruited into the army at 16? As soon as a large crowd of young guys gathers in one place, if they also drink, everything is the finish line, it will be Kulikovo. And then, if "someone" gathers them, educates them, turns the current, so to speak, in the right direction, the opposition is ready for any power, or rather its ramming ram (what will we use to make a ram Uncle Jafar? From your oak head). So I think that if such an organization appears in a certain country and the government is silent, then it itself is its owner. Here Erdogan clearly has power over the "gray wolves", otherwise how so quickly, after "shooting down" the pilot, the body was immediately returned? ordered!

      As for other CIS countries, I personally do not see the authorities there being silent about the emergence of some radical movements, on the contrary, everything is nipped in the bud, as recently a Tajik general who had sworn to igil was "soaked". All the way.
      1. 97110
        97110 25 January 2016 12: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        So I think that if such an organization appears in a certain country and the government is silent, then it itself is its owner.

        What would the father get so pierced after Libya - I can’t believe it. But the fact on the face is clear connivance. It is necessary for him to show a movie how Gaddafi’s fighters for the power of the American people caught. And another movie - as the US Ambassador banged - this, along with Aunt Nuland, when she arrives in Minsk with cookies.
    3. Apache
      Apache 25 January 2016 18: 06 New
      -17 qualifying.
      we started because we are a conscious people, and you will never start because you are slaves
      1. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 25 January 2016 20: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Apache
        we started because we are a conscious people, and you will never start because you are slaves

        You started it if only because you were first brainwashed by American grandmothers: hence American nicknames like "Apache" (probably not a tribe of Indians) and avatar zero. So you imagined yourself to be an exceptional nation, although there is no such thing at all request And those who want to change something appear, at least under their own name and with an avatar symbolizing rebirth ... which I’m proud of, by the way hi
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 January 2016 21: 43 New
          +4
          Dill showed up ... SMikhalych, but I didn’t insert an avatar, because I don’t know how, so here you are wrong.
      2. Munchhausen
        Munchhausen 25 January 2016 22: 35 New
        +3
        Another "not a slave")) oh laughing stock)))
        March to work for the oligarchs for $ 150 / mo. once did not want to work for $ 500 before "mandan".
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 26 January 2016 04: 26 New
          +1
          Munchhausen
          Another "not a slave")) oh laughing stock)))
          March to work for the oligarchs for $ 150 / mo. once did not want to work for $ 500 before the "mandan"


          laughing laughing laughing
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      4. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 26 January 2016 04: 24 New
        0
        Apache
        we started because we are a conscious people, and you will never start because you are slaves


        to the conscious people, tightly dependent on Amerov green candy wrappers, so to speak, dedicated laughing
      5. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 26 January 2016 14: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Apache
        we started because we are a conscious people, and you will never start because you are slaves


        To be not a slave, are you ready to wage war so that children die? Shoot them, or vice versa are they in yours?

        PySy. What is so slavish in Russia that they, the people, must hold the Maidan? FOR WHAT? What, how in besieged Leningrad do people swell with hunger? or maybe for the sake of a new iPhone and panties for a girlfriend to start a civilian? And you know, I’m ready to be a slave if I know that children will not die, it doesn’t matter mine or strangers, I’ll kiss their lives for those who choose a bad world instead of a good war. War can be fair only with those who take this life.
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 25 January 2016 06: 57 New
    36
    Um ... Why is it upsetting? After all, if it concerns anti-Russian and pro-Western sentiments, then we are immediately warned - they say, look, Belarusians, otherwise it will be like in Ukraine. Sleep it all ... Like, stormy rivers are born from a small stream! And when it touched the other side, in this case, military-patriotic education, it turned out that such clubs are negligible. Which, undoubtedly, saddens. And for some reason it is immediately forgotten "stormy rivers are born from the brook" ...
    That's just the beginning of the road, and even Moscow did not immediately build wink , and with regards to the nationalist movement, pro-Westernism and other crap, since the 90s, on the contrary, it has been drying out from a relatively dangerous stream to a small stream. But again, no one notices it, and everyone is trying to inflate completely different moods from scratch request
    I, Roman, live in Turov, I know this guy who is involved in this patriotic club and fully supports him, there his eyes burn with faith in his work smile
    So everything will be alright wink
    hi
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 25 January 2016 07: 14 New
      14
      Your words, yes to God’s ears, Brother !!!
    2. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 25 January 2016 12: 28 New
      +6
      I fully agree, in Belarus this will not work, we remember Khatyn !!!! and this is all artificially ignited, as with the St. George ribbons ..........
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 38 New
        10
        Quote: Volga Cossack
        I fully agree, in Belarus this will not work, we remember Khatyn !!!! and this is all artificially ignited, as with the St. George ribbons ..........

        Another ride. NATO bombed Serbs, killed children and civilians, delivered weapons, instructors to Bosnians, Croats ... And the Serbs rode when Milosevic was overthrown. And now they vote for pro-European and, therefore, pro-NATO parties. So swing Belarus a matter of money and desire.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 January 2016 07: 25 New
    +7
    The main thing is that Belarusian youth make the right choice. And in this matter, the state can’t help itself.
  4. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 25 January 2016 07: 29 New
    +4
    But father what is there at home, completely stolen?
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 January 2016 07: 37 New
    +2
    Well, in Belarus it pleases that it will turn out to whom to stand up against the Natsiks.
    In Ukraine, such people either did not appear, or there were not enough of them.
    Yes, and probably did not expect that this would result in ...
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 25 January 2016 09: 58 New
      +5
      To stand up against the Nazi Nazis, who had forgotten about the grief brought to their land by German fascism, is necessary, but more important, to cut this infection in the bud.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 25 January 2016 07: 47 New
    10
    Lukashenko, like a pendulum, sways, then to the left, then to the right ...
  7. Reeds
    Reeds 25 January 2016 07: 48 New
    +2
    The author is well done, the material is very competent.
    And to each his own, because everyone perfectly remembers what happened to Hitler and his brotherhood
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 25 January 2016 10: 01 New
      +3
      "... everyone remembers perfectly what happened to Hitler and his brothers"
      What happened to this brethren, of course, is necessary to remember. But first of all, DO NOT FORGET THAT Hitler brought with accomplices to the peoples of Europe.
      1. 97110
        97110 25 January 2016 12: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Black Colonel
        DON'T FORGET THAT Brought Hitler with accomplices to the peoples
        THE USSR. With the help of the peoples of Europe. Yugoslavia alone fought, and there it was for each Serb. Why did Hitler bring the Poles if even after the fall of Poland they didn’t come up with anything smarter than the Anders army. Czechs? Forge of the Wehrmacht. Slovaks? Wehrmacht cannon fodder. Hungarians? Romanians? Italy? France? Spain? Whose warriors were still killed in the USSR in 1941-44? Yeah, the Scandinavians ignored, not good.
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 25 January 2016 17: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Black Colonel
        "... everyone remembers perfectly what happened to Hitler and his brothers"
        What happened to this brethren, of course, is necessary to remember. But first of all, DO NOT FORGET THAT Hitler brought with accomplices to the peoples of Europe.

        What kind of Europe? Which of them did not fight against the USSR on the side of Hitler, except for the Serbs?
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 25 January 2016 08: 14 New
    +1
    The most important thing is the consequences of the deeds of these national prodigies. In the 17th year of the last century, these same child prodigies ruined Russia. In this century, the ruin checks the fortress of its territories. And then, as the people say ... A bad example is contagious ... but the author wants to look on the principle ... I opened my eyes to you, and I myself will go to mine.
  9. 24rus
    24rus 25 January 2016 08: 14 New
    +3
    Most likely in Belarus there are no state military-patriotic clubs with the correct ideology, and young people go where they called
  10. with
    with 25 January 2016 08: 31 New
    10
    Thanks to the author for covering this issue. hi But I want to say that VO, in my opinion, is a fairly solid project, and a hastily cut text impedes the visual perception of pictures. Lutsk is a Ukrainian city. Are you talking about Slutsk? Shushkevich Stanislav - Speaker of the Belarusian Parliament in 1991-94 Shukhevych is a Ukrainian nationalist during the Second World War. And here you have to be extremely precise, otherwise, the truth that should stab the Belarusian "Nazi" (easier - police) will be against you (the law of dispute). Who to be - Belarusian (part of the triune Russian people) or mythical litsvinom(something like an ancient Ukrainian), choose every Belarusian. But this is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR, when each republic was forced to seek its own identity. As for A. Lukashenko, the truth is that he was one of the first after Nazarbayev to raise a question Integration CIS. And here not only technical, but also humanities will lead to a common Russian denominator.
    1. 97110
      97110 25 January 2016 13: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: met
      when each republic was forced to look for its identity

      The "elite" of each republic was forced to seek an excuse for their seizure of power. And the orgy of plundering the occupied territories.
  11. DesToeR
    DesToeR 25 January 2016 08: 48 New
    +2
    Why not? Do not spread the white-red cloth of the Belarusian traitors-policemen.

    But why so about the flag of another country? The fact that the armband of the policemen was also white-red-white does not mean that the flag is a "rag". This is the flag of the state that once existed on the territory of Belarus (ON), as well as "chase" (a warrior on horseback) is its coat of arms. We Belarusians do not call the Russian tricolor a rag. And there is something to remember ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 January 2016 09: 46 New
      14
      Quote: DesToeR
      there is something to remember ...
      ROA was outlawed and the leaders were convicted and got what they deserved. And the tricolor was approved by Peter 1. And the Vlasovites clung to the symbols of the Russian Empire. hi
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 25 January 2016 10: 10 New
        +1
        Anatoly. but you can get more details from this place - ".. with a rag. And there is something to remember..."
        .
        A couple of such tearing, cheekbones-leading memories will not be difficult, huh?
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 25 January 2016 14: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          Anatoly. but it is possible in more detail from this place - ".. with a rag. And there is something to remember ..."


          I agree. It is this phrase that gives out "a fig in your pocket." Like: if you misbehave, we will remember everything.

          We have nothing to remember each other. It is necessary to remember - the great unity of our grandfathers and fathers, but it is not worth remembering.
          And we must also remember that we are all Russians, and great, white or small ones are not the essence.
          1. No login
            No login 26 January 2016 10: 52 New
            0
            If you further develop your thought, you can sentence a person to be shot.
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 26 January 2016 19: 08 New
              0
              To be shot? belay
              This is from some part of "my thought" you made such a conclusion? I think you are exaggerating. Meanwhile, the conclusion regarding "a fig in your pocket", in my opinion, is correct.
              And, as practice shows, harmful for the "carrier of the fig". Well, it's not in Russian traditions to hide anger. We won’t be offended by the Germans, the British and the French - this is not our method. wink
      2. Petrix
        Petrix 25 January 2016 11: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And the Vlasovites clung to the symbols of the Russian Empire.

        The same fascist swastika is an ancient Vedic symbol. The enemy acts very cunningly: takes something important and soils it in the mud. Now Islam is getting dirty. They drive the installation of Islam = terrorism.
        As a child (80s), when I first saw a swastika on an Indian pattern, I was very embarrassed. I remember they said to me: "Why are you combing your hair to the left, you can't - that's how Hitler combed it." So what, can not breathe air like Hitler?
        With the symbols you need easier. People have such a mess in their heads.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 January 2016 14: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: Petrix
          With characters, take it easy

          That's it ! Hitler with a swastika and with his bangs brought so much grief, suffering and death that any reminder of him is perceived with hatred. It is a pity that many began to forget that the Slavic peoples suffered the most from fascism and brought so many lives to the altar of Victory! Find and listen to the "Buchenwald alarm", maybe that will clear up in the brain.
          And I will end with the words of Vysotsky: - "And forever and ever and at all times
          Coward, traitor, we always despise! .... "
          PS Vysotsky V. has a birthday today .... hi
      3. No login
        No login 26 January 2016 10: 47 New
        +1
        In the same way, many Belarusian collaborators were condemned, and in the same way they clung to the symbols of Belarus at the beginning of the 20th century. hi
    2. alexej123
      alexej123 25 January 2016 11: 19 New
      +3
      Yeah, that’s where it all starts. Leave the flag, the coat of arms, they are also children and a Muscovite for a gilyak. Why don’t you use the white-yellow-black flag? ON - what century was it? And imperial Russia is a relatively recent past.
      I wonder if these of the sculptors have parents or what? Where are they looking? And their friends, colleagues? After all, they assure us that Nazism will not pass in Belarus. So it goes. Now they will shout in Russia. And in Russia there is, but in Russia they are punished for this. It doesn’t work here, we don’t have legal camps for training militants. Ok brothers look
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    4. 97110
      97110 25 January 2016 13: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: DesToeR
      We Belarusians do not call the Russian tricolor rag. And there is something to remember ...

      Fair. In the memory of the Soviet people, the tricolor was never a Russian flag. And the flag of the ROA - not going anywhere - was. What would they not make up an acquittal. It is not for nothing that the Zhirinovsky monarchy is promoting the flag - there is no such disgrace on it.
  12. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 25 January 2016 09: 15 New
    +4
    While Old Man rules Belarus everything will be fine. When it does not get out of all the cracks nationalist trash. Because there will be a generation that does not know what the Soviet Union is, and therefore will hate Russia. The nationalist threat must be destroyed in the bud.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 25 January 2016 10: 05 New
      +5
      there will be a generation that does not know what the Soviet Union is,
      So it, the generation, is already there. The eldest of them are already under 30 years old.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: UrraletZ
      While Old Man rules Belarus everything will be fine. When it does not get out of all the cracks nationalist trash. Because there will be a generation that does not know what the Soviet Union is, and therefore will hate Russia. The nationalist threat must be destroyed in the bud.

      Go to any Belarusian forum on the topic of Russia and you will find yourself in a flood of hatred. Quite a new generation of local galloping has grown up. Only our forum Belarusians do not notice this. Remember how many Ukrainians were here before 2014, they also giggled that they don’t have any benders, you will be completely unhappy. (((
      1. Volga Cossack
        Volga Cossack 25 January 2016 12: 33 New
        +2
        where to go ???? on the Polish forum ?????? Duc there pseudo-Belarusians, I live, I communicate - I see everything ----- I am a citizen of Russia!
      2. Volga Cossack
        Volga Cossack 25 January 2016 12: 33 New
        +1
        where to go ???? on the Polish forum ?????? Duc there pseudo-Belarusians, I live, I communicate - I see everything ----- I am a citizen of Russia!
  13. Dam
    Dam 25 January 2016 09: 51 New
    +4
    It’s time for Luke to remind that Rostov is not rubber, one such reconstruction lover is already sitting there
  14. GDV
    GDV 25 January 2016 09: 56 New
    +4
    White Russia, we are separated brothers not of our will for many years. I pray to God for the end of separation.
  15. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 25 January 2016 09: 56 New
    +1
    Right-wing radical scumbags are sponsored. Those. they get real money for their shares, and patriotic clubs on sheer enthusiasm. Considering the appearance of thugs experienced by the Belarusians during the Second World War, it is nonsense, and without the influence of an external force, it is not possible. But the de-rossification mechanism has also been launched in Belarus. Another 10 years and in Belarus will be "Maidan" with its "right sector". We are waiting for the regime change.
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 25 January 2016 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      Another 10 years and in Belarus will be "Maidan" with its "right sector". We are waiting for the regime change.

      Eka bent, visionary prophet laughing ... During this ten years, as Khoja Nasreddin used to say, either the donkey or the Emir will die. It is necessary to understand well the mentality of the Belarusian people in order to draw such "clairvoyant" conclusions hi
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 25 January 2016 11: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: SMikhalych
        either donkey or Emir will be bent.

        After the second option it’s always interesting
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 25 January 2016 20: 43 New
          0
          Quote: sa-ag
          After the second option it’s always interesting

          Regarding this option, I would like to ask a question to those who so generously scattered minuses (and we do not play minuses, weirdos) about my previous commentary - is there an alternative to "Emir"? If not, rub off your elbow laughing And I am writing this based on the fact that I am not at all an adherent of today's leader of the country. And just soberly assessing the situation of today. NO, guys, there is no real alternative to AHL ... no request
          1. No login
            No login 26 January 2016 10: 59 New
            +1
            Mikhalych, why aren't they? Are we the most stupid, or is he the smartest? We are 9 million and no one?
    2. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 11: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      Right-radical scumbags are sponsored .... But the mechanism of de-Russification launched in Belarus.

      I answer as a Belarusian. We do not have a right-wing radical. In the country, every 10-th cop or associated with them. So just- NO (by the way, like bandyukov)
      And "the derossification mechanism has been launched" - yes. But only by Lukashenka himself. And successfully. Try to invite the Belarusians present on the site to unite, so they will start shouting - "I'll go to defend my homeland"
  16. Thompson
    Thompson 25 January 2016 10: 03 New
    +1
    Maydan number two! Will Yanukovych number two?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 January 2016 11: 18 New
      -1
      Our stopudova will intervene to prevent this.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 January 2016 10: 11 New
    +9
    I think the Belarusians will figure it out, they lost every third in the war. Who was not, go to Katyn, healthy men cry. Yes, and during the war the Germans guerrilla hollowed be healthy.
    We need to create patriotic clubs in our country, and not only clubs, but just work on the patriotic education of youth. Something officially happened. But it's not that. And then the money for officials, for cars for 3-5 million are, but there is no money for the development of clubs, stations of young technicians. This is wrong.
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 25 January 2016 10: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: Ros 56
      Who was not, go to Katyn, healthy men cry.

      Amendment, not in Katyn, but in KhATIN. There, one chime of bells over the overflight turns the soul - http: //khatyn.by / ...
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 25 January 2016 10: 45 New
        +2
        More important, friend SMikhalych, the other is here, as I see it.
        And who performed Khatyn?
        Is it not the same ones that in the left picture with their symbols and shaded muzzles flaunt.
        .
        So, brothers.
        After you visit Khatyn, and this is necessary,
        need, it is extremely necessary to visit also Dudutki.
        This is not far from Minsk, by the way.
        An unforgettable experience.
        And how are they treated with moonshine with a snack "in the gentry".
        And no one staggers around, in camouflage and with painted faces, clowns, damn it.
        .
        This is what youth should focus on.
        And do not tickle your nerves.
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 25 January 2016 11: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          And who performed Khatyn?
          Is it not the same ones that in the left picture with their symbols and shaded muzzles flaunt.

          It was the 118th schutzman-scale battalion that was formed in Poland in the 42nd of former Soviet officers, and then the formation was continued in Kiev from ethnic Ukrainians. The commander of the battalion was the former Polish major Smowski, the chief of staff - the former senior lieutenant of the Red Army Grigory Vasyura (by the verdict of the court he was shot already in 1986), the platoon commander - the former lieutenant of the Red Army Vasily Meleshko. And these, that with shaded faces, just can become potential traitors. But, on the other hand, where and in which country were they not? It is important that this phenomenon does not become widespread.

          And Dudutki is a cool ethnographic place - http://dudutki.by/ !!!
          They will let you make a clay pot yourself, and forge a horseshoe, and treat you to moonshine (officially registered unit, by the way), and offer a fresh cucumber with honey for a snack good
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 11: 41 New
            -4
            Quote: SMikhalych
            Khatyn

            Oh Mikhalych, don’t start. Everything there is not so simple. As with the Brest Fortress
  18. Ajjh
    Ajjh 25 January 2016 11: 11 New
    -17 qualifying.
    Yes, an article ... who is not with Russia is against us. and after that you will claim that you have no imperial ambitions ...
    about the photo with Bandera and Co.: any person who is not very familiar with the situation will tell you that this is nothing more than a setup of our KGB. it was enough to bring here a panorama of the Descent to see that those undergrowth stood apart. This is true. by the way
    And then ... the hares! What do you care about what is happening in my country? who gave you the right to call my Flag "rag"? like the Coat of arms of Pagonyu ??
    Before pointing us to our shortcomings, you first clean up your house. and then climb to others
    I don’t understand what these Ryazhennei (Cossacks who did not understand) are doing in the territory of my country? they certainly do not belong here
    Threat
    I look forward to an article on this site about the rally in honor of the Hero of the Russian Federation - Ramzan Kadyrov!
    (the guys that remained in the ground would be very glad to see his photo with a star and tricolor)
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 25 January 2016 11: 44 New
      +4
      Quote - "..Yes, an article ... who is not with Russia is against us... and after that you will assert ... "
      .
      Firstly, the article did not state that whoever is not is against ....
      Secondly, why so aggressive? Ambition, argue ...
      We also had and have all sorts of Natsiks - Barkashovites (died down, slowly), and there are all kinds of different ones. There are Natsik on the contrary, if it is clear what it is about.
      .
      And in the article, in general, it is said that "they begin in health, end for the repose."
      How are your neighbors. And ours.
      No materials have appeared in Belarus yet, how did the "ancient littsvins" dig the Baltic Sea? And the Carpathians were built with soil, for example.
      It did not appear - and GLORY TO GOD.
      Not hopeless, then.
      .
      No such - RUSAKI ...
      there are such hares. But there are no people.
      He did not like the rag.
      "... isn't it better, godfather, to turn to yourself? .."
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        1. Bashibuzuk
          Bashibuzuk 25 January 2016 12: 32 New
          +3
          Went to this site.
          I read it.
          Brains on one side.
          And someone writes such a hectic heresy.
          Right now I’ll drop everything, I’ll go to Finland - I’ll say, hey you ... I’m Finnish, by origin.
          ....
          Fir-trees, and today is Day Without the Internet !!!
          And I read all nonsense in Neta.
          Shatter right now .....
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 25 January 2016 15: 55 New
        -3
        They did not have an article that they dug up something for Litvin. But we have such articles and speeches. And the Cossacks, who are ready to "defend" the Russian world everywhere. Are they not nationalists?
    2. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Ajjh
      Yes, an article ... who is not with Russia is against us. and after that you will claim that you have no imperial ambitions ...
      about the photo with Bandera and Co.: any person who is not very familiar with the situation will tell you that this is nothing more than a setup of our KGB. it was enough to bring here a panorama of the Descent to see that those undergrowth stood apart. This is true. by the way
      And then ... the hares! What do you care about what is happening in my country? who gave you the right to call my Flag "rag"? like the Coat of arms of Pagonyu ??
      Before pointing us to our shortcomings, you first clean up your house. and then climb to others
      I don’t understand what these Ryazhennei (Cossacks who did not understand) are doing in the territory of my country? they certainly do not belong here
      Threat
      I look forward to an article on this site about the rally in honor of the Hero of the Russian Federation - Ramzan Kadyrov!
      (the guys that remained in the ground would be very glad to see his photo with a star and tricolor)

      Rusaks? ... Ahahahaha .... So the first one went))) I give you a fat plus, I hope after your "brotherly" comment, our local fans of "brothers" will finally open their eyes and they will stop trying to talk about brotherly peoples (although I doubt it).)))
    3. would
      would 25 January 2016 12: 35 New
      +4
      who is not with Russia is against us. and after that you will claim that you have no imperial ambitions ...


      Where did you see "who is not Russia (with a capital letter!) Is against us"? The article is just about those who were initially against Russia. Imperial ambitions? You may not be aware, but every major regional power has certain ambitions for the adjacent territories. Good or bad, but this is the usual order of things, and without this a major regional power ceases to be like that. And even without those very "imperial ambitions" in the form of cheap loans, gratuitous resources, purchases of products, open borders and jobs, modern Belarus would be incomparably poorer at best. And I would go begging to Europe where absolutely correct bankers sit and, in contrast to the "generous soul", who know how to make money.

      Before pointing us to our shortcomings, you first clean up your house. and then climb to others


      "And you blacks are lynched!" (from)
      1. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 12: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: rait
        Imperial ambitions?

        so here is a transparent example
        Quote: alexej123
        Leave the flag, the coat of arms, they are also children and a Muscovite for a gilyak.

        And surprisingly, the majority will support. The person directly prohibits the use of the ancient coat of arms and flag, well, "in order to avoid"
        Quote: Belousov
        enough of these nationalist-fascist rags.

        here's another)
        And you can't explain a thing to these representatives of the "intellectual majority"
        1. would
          would 25 January 2016 15: 08 New
          0
          Imperial ambitions of a whole country in two anonymous Internet users? You yourself are not funny?
  19. Beard
    Beard 25 January 2016 11: 39 New
    -11 qualifying.
    There is a monument to Krasnov in the Rostov region. In Moscow, boards for the "heroes" of the Vlasovs are regularly put on. Well, you can cite as an example the "fashion" of Russian liberals and Natsiks to serve in the ATO. On the side of the heroes.

    Before discussing the speck in Old Man’s eye, remove the log from Vova’s eye.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Beard
      There is a monument to Krasnov in the Rostov region. In Moscow, boards for the "heroes" of the Vlasovs are regularly put on. Well, you can cite as an example the "fashion" of Russian liberals and Natsiks to serve in the ATO. On the side of the heroes.

      Before discussing the speck in Old Man’s eye, remove the log from Vova’s eye.

      Did Vovka erect these monuments? Or did it crazy? Or is Vovka to blame for everything, even the fact that your toilet has not been washed for years? Vovka is far from an angel, but you yourself, why didn’t you demolish the monument to Krasnov?
      1. Beard
        Beard 4 February 2016 12: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Your friend

        Did Vovka erect these monuments? Or did it crazy? Or is Vovka to blame for everything, even the fact that your toilet has not been washed for years? Vovka is far from an angel, but you yourself, why didn’t you demolish the monument to Krasnov?


        I doubt that the Old Man sponsors nationalists. Normal or abnormal, but they live and exist in Russia, as well as nationalists and liberals. Why did you decide that my toilet is not washed? Why should I go to the Rostov region to demolish monuments? There are no normal people?
    2. Scud
      Scud 25 January 2016 15: 45 New
      +8
      In kuev during the Maydown, the second trick of which they flunked was their own Belarusian nationalist. By the way, a felon.
    3. Scud
      Scud 25 January 2016 15: 45 New
      +1
      In kuev during the Maydown, the second trick of which they flunked was their own Belarusian nationalist. By the way, a felon.
  20. Idunavs
    Idunavs 25 January 2016 11: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Ajjh
    Yes, an article ... who is not with Russia is against us. and after that you will claim that you have no imperial ambitions ...
    about the photo with Bandera and Co.: any person who is not very familiar with the situation will tell you that this is nothing more than a setup of our KGB. it was enough to bring here a panorama of the Descent to see that those undergrowth stood apart. This is true. by the way
    And then ... the hares! What do you care about what is happening in my country? who gave you the right to call my Flag "rag"? like the Coat of arms of Pagonyu ??
    Before pointing us to our shortcomings, you first clean up your house. and then climb to others
    I don’t understand what these Ryazhennei (Cossacks who did not understand) are doing in the territory of my country? they certainly do not belong here
    Threat

    Well, spilled dill! Such as you, the good name of Belarus is dirty.
  21. Ajjh
    Ajjh 25 January 2016 11: 58 New
    -16 qualifying.
    what kind of good name Belarus dirty you.

    Belarus - maybe yes
    but Belarus - no smile
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Ajjh
      what kind of good name Belarus dirty you.

      Belarus - maybe yes
      but Belarus - no smile

      In / in Ukraine, Belarus / Belarus, there are still others who burn from this)))
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 25 January 2016 15: 57 New
        -6
        And yours will burn if, for example, Russia with a small letter to write
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 2 February 2016 21: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: DoctorOleg
          And yours will burn if, for example, Russia with a small letter to write

          What garbage can you come from?)))
      2. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 25 January 2016 17: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Your friend
        To / in Ukraine, Belarus / Belarus,
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 25 January 2016 12: 18 New
    +9
    In Ukraine, everything began the same, with innocent children's "patriotic" clubs, where everyone for some reason is with closed faces, why are they afraid of something? Moreover, because of a puddle, the "partners", and even the neighbors, will actively help in the cultivation of these nationalist ideas.
  23. Ajjh
    Ajjh 25 January 2016 12: 35 New
    -8
    In / in Ukraine, Belarus / Belarus, there are still others who have this burns)
    Or maybe just respect?
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: Ajjh
      ContactsRulesAdvertisingSubscriptionRadio

      Or maybe you just learn the rules of the Russian language, and then about respect tryndet?
      I demand "respect" from you, I demand that the Belarusians write in their language not Rasia, but Russia. Respect, more respect ... ahahaha.
  24. Ajjh
    Ajjh 25 January 2016 12: 45 New
    -7
    tryndet about fraternal peoples
    After the events in Ukraine, the term "fraternal peoples" sounds like a threat. And it's better not to use it at all
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 12: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Ajjh
      tryndet about fraternal peoples
      After the events in Ukraine, the term "fraternal peoples" sounds like a threat. And it's better not to use it at all

      Do not use, I allow.)))
  25. kitamo
    kitamo 25 January 2016 12: 52 New
    +2
    But here, please, a demonstration in the small town of Lutsk


    the regional center of the Volyn region in Ukraine, this Lutsk, is not so small, by the way ...
  26. Tjeck
    Tjeck 25 January 2016 12: 58 New
    +1
    Actually this is what I called red-white. But still it’s worth considering that there is no black and white side for the common people. For example, I like the work of Janka Kupala, which is a symbol of the ultra-right in Belarus, but I don’t have radical nationalism at the root - and this is what most people think. Going to extremes is insanity.
  27. revnagan
    revnagan 25 January 2016 13: 08 New
    +1
    The Belarusians, thank God, have someone to resist the Nazi scum on the unofficial level. Eh, such "Cossack" clubs would have been in Ukraine 2-3 years ago. All sorts of pravoseki would not have behaved like that. But what is not, that is not.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 25 January 2016 13: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: revnagan
      The Belarusians, thank God, have someone to resist the Nazi scum on the unofficial level. Eh, such "Cossack" clubs would have been in Ukraine 2-3 years ago. All sorts of pravoseki would not have behaved like that. But what is not, that is not.

      Ukrainian "Cossack" clubs on the Maidan shouted "Moscow ... ku on gilyak", just like the local Afghans.
  28. ship
    ship 25 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +7
    "And in conclusion, I just want to wish success to everyone who stands today in Belarus against the admirers of Bandera ... and other executioners ...." - I agree.
    1. Ajjh
      Ajjh 25 January 2016 14: 05 New
      -9
      Yes, we have no admirers of Bandera! no from the word at all!
      But at the expense of the executioners and aggressors - this is another conversation. I think that most Belarusians are fighting on the side of the ATO - we are talking about a lot. But this in no way makes them Bandera and nachionalistov
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 25 January 2016 18: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Ajjh
        Yes, we have no admirers of Bandera! no from the word at all!
        But at the expense of the executioners and aggressors - this is another conversation. I think that most Belarusians are fighting on the side of the ATO - we are talking about a lot. But this in no way makes them Bandera and nachionalistov

        "the majority of Belarusians are fighting on the side of the ATO" It turns out that the executioners and aggressors are us?
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 26 January 2016 10: 12 New
        +1
        And with whom are they fighting there? Who dies from their shells? You, in my opinion, made a mistake with the DISRESPECTED button. Offended for the times ON. Who were you then? Then the concept of "Belarusian" sounded? This is a typical SLAVE psychology. Whoever spread rot - those hands and not only lick, cookies from them are grateful. And those who united you, added Polish and Lithuanian lands to you, helped to develop - those aggressors. You are a typical VIDEO.
        1. No login
          No login 26 January 2016 11: 50 New
          +2
          I want to hear from you the explanations about what place was given to the population living in the territory of present-day Belarus, on. Any, little bit adequate historian with a neutral point of view, would not leave a stone unturned by what you stated above.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 27 January 2016 10: 58 New
            0
            Who are you talking to?
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  29. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 25 January 2016 14: 31 New
    -5
    In the media (consciously or unconsciously) two concepts are identified: nationalism and Nazism.
    Nationalism is a love of one’s nation, one’s people, one’s family, one’s family.
    Nazism is the exaltation of one’s nation over all other nations.
    Russians are nationalists, but not Nazis!
    And whoever extols his nation over everyone else is well known for a long time. Hitler wanted to follow their path. The result is known.
    In Belarus, our "partners" are trying to organize a civil war according to the Ukrainian scheme. They are heating up the national question according to the Nazi scenario.
    The presidents of Ukraine contributed to this by abolishing Soviet symbols, demolishing monuments, and flirting with the Nazis in Western Ukraine.
    The President of Belarus is trying to sit on two chairs. Nobody managed to do this for a long time. Sooner or later, you will have to make an unambiguous choice - either with Russia or with the West. But in the west nobody needs him.
  30. VB
    VB 25 January 2016 14: 55 New
    +6
    Absolutely correct article. And Lukashenko is still a passenger, he will jump over to the other side at any moment. This is not an ally, but a fellow traveler. As in the Civil "temporary alliance with Petliura" at Denikin.
  31. gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 January 2016 15: 05 New
    +1
    Belarus does not live and develop in a vacuum and it also has enough sores. There are and were their own nationalists, who during the Second World War fought more than the most inveterate Sonderkommando. In addition, there are a lot of Ukrainians and Poles in the southwestern and western regions of Belarus, and Lithuanians in the north. And many of them still remember their "liberation" by the Red Army from the "exploiters." It is also necessary to take into account the dashing 90s when, with the light hand of Shushkevich, "fighters for unreliability" began to multiply in Belarus like toadstools. And these fighters were helped by many, including Natsiks from Russia. So there is nothing to be surprised at. On the other hand, it was Lukashenka who said "sha" to these fighters and said it quite intelligibly. But there is one thing here. All rulers, especially "highly legitimate" ones, like to have a gang of lured bandits with them, who, if something happens, can be released into the streets for small pogroms, and then put things in order with an iron hand, at the same time shooting the bandyukov. The script has been known since time immemorial and is successfully implemented from time to time in different countries. Such a scenario was realized at one time in Baku, and in Moscow and further everywhere. Another thing is that bloody performances do not always end as the directors intended.
  32. serverny
    serverny 25 January 2016 16: 10 New
    -5
    Article is not bad, but minus for juggling

    It’s not a white and red rag of Belarusian traitors-policemen who is to be spread.


    For by this logic, the Russian tricolor is a "rag of traitors-Vlasovites"
  33. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 25 January 2016 17: 44 New
    +4
    It’s good that not everyone in Belarus was bitten by maydaunas and was infected with swine flu. Belarus, like no one from the Nazis suffered. If they forget their grandfathers’s covenants .... Then Russia alone will remain in the fight against non-humans.
  34. Pushkar
    Pushkar 25 January 2016 18: 36 New
    +7
    Lukashenko recognized neither Abkhazia, nor Ossetia, nor Crimea. The UN does not vote for our resolutions. Here is YouTube, pay attention especially after the 50th second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8YdZqGPpI And yet, the tricolor is our state flag, and the state flag of Belarus is not white and red.
  35. Pissarro
    Pissarro 25 January 2016 19: 05 New
    0
    It should also be noted that in the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus there is one aspect. A person taking part in conflicts on the territory of other countries as part of official units is not considered a mercenary. And the law has no complaints against him. What not to say about those who participate in informal organizations. The type of units of the DNI and LC. Here those just fall under the article on mercenarism.


    The author is wrong here. Valery Vakulchik, head of the State Security Committee of the Republic of Belarus, said that the state would consider Belarusian citizens taking part in hostilities in Ukraine as mercenaries, regardless of the side for which these citizens fought. According to the chairman of the KGB of the Republic of Belarus, all these persons will be responsible before the law.
  36. Pushkar
    Pushkar 25 January 2016 19: 15 New
    0
    Here's another look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgV2lHwpJ-c
  37. Mentor
    Mentor 25 January 2016 20: 24 New
    0
    Quote: DesToeR
    This is the flag of the state that once existed on the territory of Belarus (ON), as well as "pursuit" (a warrior on horseback) is its coat of arms

    And the modern coat of arms of Rechitsa, Gomel region.
  38. bed111
    bed111 25 January 2016 20: 41 New
    +2
    There are enough people in Belarus. They are different, as elsewhere. There are many of those who are mountainous for Russia. There are also those who spit saliva from hatred of Russians. Therefore, I think our common cause is to support the former and keep the latter from making mistakes. You also have a "fifth column" working? But these are also your people and you do not put them in shackles, you manage. Here and with us, with a competent approach, everything will be fine.

    A coat of arms, he may have been quite good with the chase. But he did not get accustomed - the majority of people and our president advocated an alliance with Russia, they remembered the USSR. They didn't care about American democracy and magazines with bare ... opami. That left the emblem of the BSSR.

    As for our independence, then, I think, there is nothing terrible for you. We are all one together. But to be your "subject" is probably still dumb. You have too many problems of your own, corruption and everything else. We have less so far. Yes, and But Father understands: if he joins the Russian Federation, he will remain nothing, like his entire large family and friends. And this he really does not want.
  39. SMikhalych
    SMikhalych 25 January 2016 20: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Zomanus
    Well, in Belarus it pleases that it will turn out to whom to stand up against the Natsiks.

    Everything here is like in the movie "Son for Father": "Machine gun? What machine gun? ... But, if necessary, you know where to turn ...."
  40. drroc
    drroc 25 January 2016 22: 01 New
    +3
    "What can not be said about those who participate in unofficial organizations. Like units of the DPR and LPR. These are the ones that fall under the article on mercenarism." There is a deal of truth in it.
    The other day, I came across some kind of program on the Belarusian channel. So there they just gave an example of the detention of a resident of the Brest region who fought on the side of the DPR in Donetsk airport. They showed footage of amateur videos in the style of Kiev, i.e. on the bad side, as the Americans would say, the bad guys were shown. The fears described in the article are not unfounded; there is reason to be wary, given the Russophobic sentiments of Belarusians on the Internet, for example, TUT.by. By the way, I myself am a Belarusian. In everyday life I do not encounter Russophobia, although I do not live in the village, but how you read the comments on TUT.by, the hair stands on end, where they come from, is not clear.
  41. bed111
    bed111 25 January 2016 22: 27 New
    0
    Quote: drroc
    The other day I came across some kind of program on the Belarusian channel. So there just gave an example of the detention of a resident of the Brest region, who fought on the side of the DPR in the Donetsk airport. Showed frames of amateur video in the style of Kiev, i.e. on the bad side, as the Americans would say, the bad guys were shown. The fears described in the article are not unfounded, there is a reason to be wary, given the Russophobic attitudes of Belarusians on the Internet, for example, TUT.by.

    Equally severely detain (and punish) those who fought for the DPR and those who participated in the ATO. This is the indication of Lukashenko. He offered to leave, even offered to give money for a ticket, even to Syria. But he warned: do not come back, we will punish. That is punished. That you are Belarusian, since you do not know.
    And again: we have enough of those who are for Russia and those who for some reason hate her. As in Russia itself, I guess ... Brothers, of course, but the state is still different here and people are different, like everywhere else. There is no one-hundred-percent support for Russia, and the fifth column also works.
    Lukashenka has his own interest. He and Kiev are still trading and trying to behave carefully, so as not to substitute. Therefore, the TV DNI does not praise.
  42. WarMachine
    WarMachine 25 January 2016 22: 30 New
    -6
    I hate Russia, but I love Russians. Russia as a state must be destroyed
  43. DesToeR
    DesToeR 25 January 2016 22: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    ROA was outlawed and the leaders were convicted and got what they deserved. And the tricolor was approved by Peter 1. And the Vlasovites clung to the symbols of the Russian Empire.

    Reinforced concrete logic, and now apply it to the flag and coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which ceased to exist in the distant 18th century. If you find differences in historical parallels - write.
    Quote: Arkon
    We have nothing to remember each other. It is necessary to remember - the great unity of our grandfathers and fathers, but it is not worth remembering.

    You dear, do not confuse the terms: to recall is to reproach. I suggest you, Russians, before throwing mud at the flag of another state, REMEMBER your history. In my fatherland today the flag with which the great-grandfathers took Berlin. If the ON flag "rag", soiled by fascist punitive policemen, then what about the modern Russian flag under which the ROA fought?
  44. drroc
    drroc 25 January 2016 22: 39 New
    +1
    "You are such a Belarusian, since you do not know this." I do not follow his bullshit, which he carries, he said that he himself had seen.
    "tries to be neat" From this accuracy is already sick.
  45. bed111
    bed111 25 January 2016 22: 49 New
    -4
    Quote: drroc
    "tries to behave neatly" From this neatness already sick.

    So go to the Russian Federation, just sick. We chose him so that he would help us live and sell our goods, including Ukrainians, and not obs ... rummage with everyone around just because someone would like it so much nicer. And he does not need to praise the DPR - here the Minsk agreements are concluded and his position should be neutral, even if it looks like ...

    Well, the portraits of Bandera - yes, I saw the opposition. We allowed them to endure them, the city allowed a meeting to be held. But let them get stuck with this Bandera to people - they will be torn to pieces alive. Here all Khatyn remember ...
  46. DesToeR
    DesToeR 25 January 2016 23: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: Bashibuzuk
    Anatoly. but it is possible in more detail from this place - ".. with a rag. And there is something to remember ..."
    .
    A couple of such tearing, cheekbones-leading memories will not be difficult, huh?

    Why, one can recall our common history with you ... if they forgot. And you can remember General Vlasov and ROA, and the Cossack troops under the command of von Panwitz. Don't you believe my words? Look for yourself what stripes they wore on their sleeves, then look at the modern flag of their state, at the flags of the ships of the Russian Navy and find 10 differences. The story should be treated calmly without "cheekbone" emotions. Any state has enough shit in the past ...
  47. Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 25 January 2016 23: 19 New
    0
    3) Nationalism - to keep the feeding trough
  48. Pushkar
    Pushkar 26 January 2016 00: 11 New
    -1
    DesToeR Vlasovtsev yes Panvitsev with the Krasnovs we outweighed and transplanted. This bastard had no tricolor on the stripes. https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D1%80


    %D0%BE%D0%B0&newwindow=1&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=979&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X


    &ved=0ahUKEwiHo5-O7cXKAhWF_nIKHQVFB44QsAQIGg&dpr=1
    And here are the patches of the 30th Grenadier Infantry (1st Belarussian) Division. http://xn--80aaxgqbdi.xn--p1ai/publ/7-1-0-249
  49. DesToeR
    DesToeR 26 January 2016 00: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Pushkar
    DesToeR Vlasovtsev and Panvitsov with the Krasnovs we outweighed and transplanted.

    What are you saying? How unexpectedly, and most importantly, originally, you Russians did with the traitors of the Motherland! We are here at the policemen do you know the same, that ... Where are you such one-sidedly developed USEshniki just come from ?! Do you have a completely critical view of things?
    Quote: Pushkar
    This bastard had no tricolor on stripes

    Why bury your head in the sand? There were! Both on the stripes and on the chevrons. What does it change? Does the flag become a "rag" from this? Of course not. But it is impermissible for anyone to condemn and even more to call the flag of the state, which disappeared from the world map long before the Second World War, as a rag. Here is a photo of what you say is not there, if you are too lazy to look for yourself:
  50. loha
    loha 26 January 2016 00: 53 New
    +3
    According to such a science as sociology, only 3 percent of the population is enough to keep everyone else at bay, and these guys are in no hurry ... in Ukraine, too, it began with patriotic clubs. And in Belarus there is practically no patriotic education and state ideology, and what is there is nothing more to smile, so where will those who need an idea for their souls go .. rather to where they will be more interested in them, and they will have something to offer young people. and you are surprised that someone is looking at Russia there is simply some kind of patriotic idea, in contrast to "cracklings and charka"