How was Nord Stream sentenced - 2?

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One of the “significant” figures at the World Economic Forum in Davos (in Switzerland) was predictably made by the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko. The foreign, Ukrainian and Russian press is replete with his numerous statements. He will receive billions from the IMF, and will jointly override the Nord Stream - 2 Russian with the West, and will receive "full US support for full implementation."

How was Nord Stream sentenced - 2?


Petro Poroshenko held talks in Davos with US Vice President Joseph Biden. The President of Ukraine, sensing the presence of the almighty Mr. Biden, said that the “Nord Stream - 2” project should be “stopped”.

After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev would interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream - 2 project, which envisages the construction of two gas pipelines from Russia to Germany.

"We clearly emphasized that" Nord Stream - 2 "is a purely political project that is directed against both Ukraine and a significant number of EU countries, and we must act effectively to stop it," Poroshenko quotes Utro.ru.

Not without social networks.

In his "Twitter" Poroshenko wrote directly:

“In the case of rozmі @ @VP, it was more difficult to do it, the project“ The Great Pot - 2 ”є is very political, and most effective for everyone,” he said.


Translation by RIA News": "In a conversation with @VP (Joseph Biden's account. - Ed.), It was clearly noted that the Nord Stream - 2 project is purely political, and we must act effectively to stop it."

Such confidence Poroshenko in the "stop" of the project did not arise from scratch.

At the end of November 2015, the magazine reminds "Expert", ten states of Central and Eastern Europe wrote a letter to the European Commission. The text expressed the opinion that the “Nord Stream - 2” did not correspond to the interests of the European Union. Moreover, this project allegedly undermines the position of Ukraine.

Ukraine itself did not keep silent. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk called the project anti-Ukrainian and anti-European, since his goal was to deprive Ukraine of transit capacities and about two billion dollars in annual gas transit fees.

In addition to agreeing with Joe Biden about the "Nord Stream - 2", Petro Poroshenko was also happy with the upcoming cash tranche from the IMF. Tranche rather big - seven billion dollars.

As transmits "BBC"Kiev expects the next tranche of financial assistance from the IMF in February. Petro Poroshenko said this when giving an interview to the Bloomberg TV channel in Davos.

Later, in an interview with CNN, Poroshenko clarified that Ukraine expects to receive $ 7 billion from the IMF.

A year ago, reminds the BBC, the IMF agreed to grant Ukraine a loan of $ 17,5 billion in the framework of the program of economic reforms. The first tranche was sent to Ukraine in March 2015 and amounted, according to A. Yatsenyuk, to about 5 billion dollars. The second tranche, for 1,7 billion dollars, was received by the state in August. The third tranche was expected to be received in December 2015, but the matter is stalled.

And now, in Davos, Poroshenko talked with the head of the IMF Christine Lagarde and discussed the provision of international financial assistance to Ukraine. According to "BBC", the result of the meeting and Lagarde and Poroshenko were satisfied.

As for the Ukrainian situation, the American topic resurfaced here. Apparently, the Americans even put a hand to the composition of the Ukrainian constitution.

At the talks with Joe Biden, which lasted as much as four hours, Poroshenko finally believed in the power of the “implementation of the Minsk process” and “constitutional changes”.

“We have come to an absolutely single conclusion that there is no alternative to the Minsk process,” he quotes. Utro.ru. “We have full US support for the full implementation of the Minsk process, which includes the security component.”

According to the Ukrainian president, during the meeting the parties (that is, Biden and Poroshenko. - O. Ch.) Coordinated actions regarding the ceasefire regime in the Donbas. In addition, the issues of “unhindered access of OSCE representatives to heavy storage facilities weapons and to the border. "

“Separately, we discussed the“ roadmap ”of constitutional amendments,” Poroshenko said.

Finally, the preparation of elections in the Donbas was also discussed “in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, with the broad participation of international observers,” the Ukrainian president added.

In short, wherever you throw, everywhere ... USA. Well, or the IMF, which, in general, also belongs to the world "patrimonies" of the United States.

It turns out that Washington will rewrite the constitution of Ukraine (or Ukraine will write it under Washington’s dictation), help Kiev to achieve “full implementation of the Minsk process”, kick the negligent IMF who delayed the December tranche and rally the European-Ukrainian 2 opponents, with whose help these nasty Russians conceived to infringe on the interests of Ukraine.

Decided: "Nord Stream - 2" - the project is not an economic, but a political one, and its goal is to harm both unfortunate Ukraine and the "significant number" of EU countries.

Oh, those ruthless Russians!

Well, we will wait for Joe Biden's visit (or perhaps the specialist for cutting off the “flows” of John McCain) to Germany somewhere, since the “Nord Stream - 2” is sent there. Let's see how the representatives of Washington will provide "full support" to Ukraine and defend its "interests".

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    1. Riv
      +60
      25 January 2016 06: 35
      Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously? Man lives in an altered reality created by his own imagination. A straitjacket and a fool - there he is the place.
      1. +71
        25 January 2016 07: 01
        Quote: Riv
        Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously? Man lives in an altered reality created by his own imagination. A straitjacket and a fool - there he is the place.
        1. +106
          25 January 2016 08: 00
          I hope that after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors!
          1. +58
            25 January 2016 09: 34
            .... I hope after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors! ....

            .... I would like all Gazprom's statements about the termination of transit through Ukraine to be not a simple concussion of the air, but a real action .... If Europe does not need Russian gas (which I personally doubt very much), then our government should will be very concerned about the construction of facilities for deep processing of gas .... There is still time (until 2019) .... And then we'll see .... By the way, the Gulf Stream (which heats Europa) is far from what it was .. .. hi
            1. +11
              25 January 2016 16: 16
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              .If Europe does not need Russian gas

              Germany is driving Europe, and it may well convince some heads of state to disown Russian gas .. Germany itself has long been cautious about this issue, securing an independent gas stream from Russia on the bottom of the Baltic! wassat And there, you see, and neighbors can be "pampered" on occasion .. at a "fair price" wink
              1. +3
                25 January 2016 17: 49
                And by the way - it is not known what Germany thinks about this?
                1. +2
                  25 January 2016 19: 15
                  Quote: droideck
                  And by the way - it is not known what Germany thinks about this?

                  Why is it unknown? Germany expressed interest in the implementation of the Nord Stream2 project
                  1. 0
                    25 January 2016 20: 14
                    Yes, Germany, and especially the excess gas is not needed. They have enough for now.
                    1. +10
                      26 January 2016 00: 36
                      Quote: kuz363
                      Yes, Germany, and especially the excess gas is not needed. They have enough for now.

                      I just can’t understand one thing ... And what about Ukraine and the USA? Are we pulling pipes through the Gulf of Mexico? This is a personal matter between Russia and Germany! And Ukraine was simply spoiled very much. They also dictate and do not let us go.
                      Some kind of crap request
                      The Germans, I’m sure anyway, will somehow drag this project. To steer with real money. Almost from the air. To sit on the nipple distribution panel ... Ancient Ukrainians were simply unrealistic stupid with their transit capabilities.
                      We noticed that in every sentence of Poroshenko: “America is with us!” Well, well ... we'll see.
                      1. +1
                        26 January 2016 15: 42
                        It was not necessary to feed 23 dill. Hence all the problems ...
                    2. +2
                      26 January 2016 02: 28
                      Gas is supplied to Germany via pipelines from the Netherlands and Norway. The Dutch Sloheteren field is in declining production. The decline in production in Norway will begin no later than 2020, according to our estimates and the estimates of the Swedes.
                2. 0
                  26 January 2016 09: 41
                  Germany itself has not been thinking anything for a long time ... it listens to the receiver what it is allowed to do, but it works for fines (tribute) ...
                3. 0
                  27 January 2016 15: 39
                  She doesn't think anything. The Americans think for her.
              2. +4
                26 January 2016 08: 07
                the emancipated mare Merkel is not Germany yet, Germany will start when Merkel is turned up at the frigate of whatever frigate (sooner or later it will happen) ... but what kind of Germany will it be then? ... everything in history is cyclical and everything repeats itself
            2. +4
              25 January 2016 21: 16
              Petro Poroshenko was made happy by the upcoming monetary tranche from the IMF. A rather large tranche of seven billion dollars.


              So big, but he believes in fairy tales ... smile
          2. +4
            25 January 2016 09: 39
            Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!
            1. +6
              25 January 2016 10: 35
              Let them find a freebie elsewhere.
            2. +3
              25 January 2016 12: 12
              Quote: SeAl2014
              Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!


              They stole, they steal and will steal. Freebie and theft - one does not interfere with the other, and which of them is sweeter is a big question.
              (cry.)
            3. +1
              25 January 2016 16: 08
              Quote: SeAl2014
              Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!


              And how much metal is in the non-stop pipelines? So otozh!
          3. +2
            25 January 2016 13: 05
            Quote: krot
            all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained!

            By this time, their pipe itself will fall apart. So far no one wants to invest in it. And he is unlikely to want in the future, with such an alternative giftedness of power in an independent.
          4. +1
            25 January 2016 18: 22
            The so-called reverse gas from Europe from Slovakia is our stolen gas. It seems so.
          5. +2
            25 January 2016 19: 35
            Until 19, there is still time. Maybe a large part of 404 will become ours? However, Sev. Stream-2 also does not hurt in any case - to put a nefig in one basket (eggs) smile
          6. 0
            26 January 2016 06: 46
            Quote: krot
            I hope that after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors!

            And it depends on who will be the president of the Russian Federation in 2019. If we assume Medvedev, it is unlikely to be drained.
        2. +16
          25 January 2016 08: 10
          Piglet with a monkey, invincible power.
        3. +5
          25 January 2016 10: 44
          Quote: Voha_krim
          Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously?

          It turns out that he knows such words - "implementation", I can't utter this without a liter, and he hasn't got drunk yet, he is smart.
        4. +3
          25 January 2016 14: 32
          Here is a report from Davos in Ukrosmi (see from 17.10)
      2. +5
        25 January 2016 08: 50
        Would not be taken seriously would have been thrown out of Kiev and Ukraine. First of all, the president of the Russian Federation took seriously.
      3. +4
        25 January 2016 10: 21
        better bag on the head and on the gallows!
      4. The comment was deleted.
      5. +1
        25 January 2016 14: 16
        Break off for free for transit that Ukraine, that Poland. In any case, the gas pipeline to fall into the frankincense breathes. If economically Psheks and Ukrainians become weaker, then Germany only benefits laughing
      6. +2
        25 January 2016 22: 26
        It looks like autism or pretends to be.
        1. +1
          26 January 2016 12: 22
          Quote: railway sapper
          It looks like autism or pretends to be.

          Does autistic play autistic? belay smile
      7. +1
        26 January 2016 08: 00
        Yes, there are "clients" (for the fool) more than enough of the whole "solidary Europe" ... I never thought that people can give up BENEFITS for the sake of whatever political decisions
      8. 0
        27 January 2016 15: 37
        Dress the diaper and tie it to the bed.
    2. +30
      25 January 2016 06: 44
      Just let the IMF out of seven billion three and a half debt immediately transfer to the Russian count.
      1. +16
        25 January 2016 07: 05
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        of seven billion, three and a half debts will immediately be transferred to Russian counts.

        The joke is that Lagarde never hinted at the loan. Petsya independently showed the initiative, speaking to the press. And the sum of the "protein" whispered, not otherwise.
    3. +28
      25 January 2016 06: 48
      Well, we will wait for the visit of Joe Biden (or maybe John McCain, specialist in blocking the “flows”) somewhere to Germany, since Nord Stream 2 is sent there.


      The Germans will bend or not bend ... what that is the question.
      And for POROSHENKO, a freebie ends in 2019 with a pipe from RUSSIA ... cutting coupons now will not work for beautiful eyes.
      Someday blackmail RUSSIA should end with a banal scuffle.
      1. +19
        25 January 2016 07: 31
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The Germans will bend or not bend ...

        here is a tool of exposure to migrants, I suppose
      2. +4
        25 January 2016 07: 43
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The Germans will bend or not bend ... that is the question

        There is an opinion that they will not bend. Maybe they will make concessions and Poland will take part in Nord Stream 2 - the Poles have long hinted at this. Then from the serious opponents of the project in Europe, no one will remain - do not consider the "Baltic tigers" or Slovakia as such, in fact.
        1. +10
          25 January 2016 09: 46
          ..... will make concessions and Poland will take part in Nord Stream 2 ...


          ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? .... request
          1. +1
            25 January 2016 12: 44
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? ....

            Poles will be happy good
          2. +4
            25 January 2016 12: 48
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? ....

            Look at the map. Poland will stretch itself a branch from the Nord Stream. And it will bank gas in Eastern Europe. That's the whole point.
            1. 0
              27 January 2016 09: 31
              ...... Poland will stretch itself a branch from the Nord Stream. And it will bank gas in Eastern Europe. That's the whole point ...

              .... As far as I know (according to publications), Poland wants the gas pipeline branch (meaning the main) to go to its territorial waters .... And this changes the whole meaning .... And the fact that the branch will be from the gas pipeline is already not significant ..... hi
          3. +1
            25 January 2016 18: 24
            It is not clear how the Poles can participate.
            Only if you hire them to lay the pipeline along the bottom.
        2. +6
          25 January 2016 10: 06
          [quote = The same LEKH] [quote] Germans will bend or not bend ... what that’s the question. [/ quote]

          The experience of sanctions shows that the Germans were taught to cave in whenever the owner needed it. Bend and this bend already at the reflex level.
          1. 0
            25 January 2016 14: 41
            Bend over anyway! With such a chancellor, and with military bases, there’s no gold coin, there are still a million migrants tossed — where the poor Deutschlands are to go.

            Yes, the most important thing, and what kind of shisha should we build "SP-2" on?
            1. +2
              25 January 2016 21: 57
              Quote: King, just king

              Yes, the most important thing, and what kind of shisha should we build "SP-2" on?

              Well, everything is not bad with the "shisha", it is not the state that is building, but Gazprom, and now he has a fair amount of money, because he receives income in dollars, and most of his costs are in rubles.
      3. +3
        25 January 2016 08: 16
        Yes Yes! Until the age of 19, a "massacre" may also occur. And with it the change of power in the "square".
        1. +3
          25 January 2016 09: 58
          The change of power is likely to happen. The rating of current rulers is extremely low. But which way is the big question. More likely is even greater radicalization. Saakashvilli, Yarosh - the most likely figures of the future establishment
    4. +7
      25 January 2016 06: 49
      Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev will interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project, which provides for the construction of two pipelines of an offshore gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.

      Did Poroshenko discuss this issue with Merkel? He probably forgot what contribution Germany is making to this very Ukraine. Here is the test for the Germans. Once again they will sacrifice their interests for the sake of ghostly Ukraine and several vehemently Russophobic-minded countries.
    5. +55
      25 January 2016 06: 56
      They don’t want gas and don’t need it, there will be more for descendants. The pipe through Ukraine must be completely shut off, but who needs gas to solve all the problems themselves and pull the pipe to the Russian border ... I don’t understand what to do. And money must be obtained not by trading in gas and oil, but to work, to produce, we have a huge market inside our country. What is different? Once such a "dance" has gone where to go? It will be difficult, and even already difficult, this was expected, they knew that it would be so, why did they go? Why didn't you prepare? Spring is coming, sowing will begin, the price of fuel and lubricants should be reduced, abandoned fields should be raised, preferences should be given to those who really want to work and can ... Hey, the government ?!
      1. +6
        25 January 2016 08: 28
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Aw, government ?!

        The government is shrunk in securities OUR money invests - busy, do not come around!
        The report says that at the end of the year, investments in American candy wrappers again increased. The growth was approximately 7%. By December 2015, the infusion of US “securities” reached the level of 88 billion dollars.
        http://topwar.ru/89581-vlozhilis-v-amerikanskie-cennye-bumagi-sho-opyat.html
      2. +8
        25 January 2016 09: 53
        "... the descendants will have more ..." I completely agree. For incomprehensible money, for which not everything can be bought, to pay with irreplaceable resources? It seems to me that the current hydrocarbon surplus is more of a publicity stunt. Five, ten years - and the freebie will end forever.
        1. -1
          25 January 2016 23: 37
          And before they even said that gas is the bread of chemistry. True chemistry we apparently Tryndets, nothing is heard.
      3. +5
        25 January 2016 10: 47
        Golden words! good
        The main thing is to give the opportunity to sow the fields in the spring, it is not too late to organize this.
        All in all, it is necessary to provide a mechanism for providing farms performing sowing operations with oil products at a reduced price.
        Say, you can arrange this assistance to producers of agricultural products as a state order for food.
        In business, there are such supply contracts when the buyer upfront purchases of raw materials to fulfill the order. A mechanism of this type must be involved in this sowing.
        Announce an order for agricultural products on the state website.
        Accept applications from agricultural producers
        To analyze the need and sufficiency of the proposed volume of production to provide the country with food.
        The applicants must be monitored, for which they must attract local authorities who can verify the availability of the opportunity to produce agricultural products: land, machinery, personnel. Many officials, let them check the applicants for real opportunities.
        Engage the mechanism for supplying fuel to the program at controlled prices.
        As the harvest is sold, money must be returned.
        Of course, everything should be thought out, but the main thing is that the country is provided with food, at affordable prices (it turns out that the purchase of drugs in life-saving drugs is affordable), so that people do not starve, there is no ground for a coup, which is the sweet dream of the United States and they are fed oppositionists.
        1. +3
          25 January 2016 13: 42
          What are you talking about? The former lands of collective farms and state farms were distributed among collective farmers, and then bought up by local and Moscow latifundists. The fields are overgrown with forests so that it is no longer possible to find places where they were. Now, latifundists, with the free support of local administrations, are intensively transferring agricultural land to construction land. He himself composed a protest petition to all authorities in his area, but to no purpose
      4. +4
        25 January 2016 14: 53
        you know, but judging by the latest statements by Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich on your wishes
        Quote: Tatar 174
        on fuel and lubricants, the price must be reduced,

        something little hope. He openly declared:
        we expect the PRICE RISE FOR fuels and lubricants DOES NOT EXCEED 10% ... what
        and how do you like these perls? am
        1. +3
          25 January 2016 15: 30
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          judging by the latest statements by Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich

          Quote: Viktor Demchenko
          and how do you like these perls?

          Would you give it to me for education, I would teach him ... Yes
          In general, it has long been an impression that, apart from raising prices in the government, they can do nothing else. Maybe it is necessary to introduce an article on the general election of ministers into the Constitution? belay
      5. +1
        25 January 2016 19: 27
        QUICK TALE, TALKS, YES NOT QUICKLY DOING IT!
      6. +5
        25 January 2016 19: 37
        wink right now, I just heard Putin briefly on TV. Baba complained about the fact that they had allocated money for the construction of farms several years ago, but as the field was clean, it was so clean. All grandmas were stolen and no one is looking for anyone. And such construction projects - not one hundred in the country will be typed.
        Further about the market. The market is too small for us. One of the problems of the current situation is a sharp drop in purchasing demand. The money was not much reduced by the population. (They even say that investments in bank deposits and deposits have increased over 15 years, and seriously) but in general the population has sharply reduced their spending.
        Someone said that for a full-fledged self-organizing isolated market, at least 300 million people are needed. And the richer the better.
        The Eurasian Economic Community does not even fill this number of people. And the population is poor. And the Shanghai group is only the Chinese market. Russia is needed there only as a gas station and a supplier of raw materials, well, maybe some technologies (in most military sense)
        with rare exceptions, the current system is engaged only in what would earn, and by any means, even at the expense of the population.
        right now Putin boasts that we have a huge foreign trade surplus (that is, we would sell much more than we consume) to reproach your mother, spend extra money at least on infrastructure and not on support of cunning loan recipients who have accumulated foreign currency debts.
        Putin is really starting to lose his understanding of the situation. The fact that they convey to him is well-laid information in the right direction. To complaints from the population, he no longer responds but dismisses.
        Something is not good.
        1. 0
          25 January 2016 23: 30
          But they say he invites Jews, creates a security pad.
    6. +7
      25 January 2016 06: 57
      As soon as the words "road map" have sounded, do not expect anything good!
    7. +1
      25 January 2016 07: 04
      There is such a correct saying among the saloids, the Duma’s bogeyman ... and so, this is about the parsley and the end company ... from idiots, what do you take?
    8. 0
      25 January 2016 07: 05
      for the wretched hohlyaks, - "Oh, these ruthless Russians ...", and you shouldn't have to shit on your plate first ...
    9. +5
      25 January 2016 07: 08
      And after 19, Russia will offer Europe to transport gas on its own from the borders of the Russian Federation — and no matter how our problems are. Or, as they say, the Russian tanker does not care about the density of traffic on European roads.
      1. 0
        25 January 2016 08: 18
        And after 19, Russia will offer Europe to independently transport gas from the borders of the Russian Federation, and no matter how our problems are

        This (since the moderator moderates so "cruelly", I will change "pennies to owls" to "our American partners") and are trying to achieve it.
    10. +27
      25 January 2016 07: 11
      In 2019, the gas flow through Ukraine must be closed in any case, even at a loss and notify all recipients. The country's prestige is more expensive than dollars.
      1. +4
        25 January 2016 10: 12
        Quote: valokordin
        The country's prestige is more expensive than dollars.

        For whom, please specify.
        1. +1
          26 January 2016 22: 35
          For the country. And its citizens.
    11. +1
      25 January 2016 07: 12
      It’s clear that Petrushkino’s place is in a booth, but
      Biden is still that oyster, capable of fooling.
    12. +2
      25 January 2016 07: 15
      I do not think that in today's mood in Germany, the States will be able to put pressure on the Germans so that they abandon the Nord Stream. But one should not underestimate the vile essence of the West either. These are capable of anything! They crushed the south stream, although they understand that by the year 20 they may be without gas.
      1. +2
        25 January 2016 23: 23
        In fact, a couple of good winters in a row will sell any stream. Keep an eye on the weather forecast, it's cleaner than a candy wrapper.
    13. +8
      25 January 2016 07: 21
      The Americans are quite capable of braking the SP-2.
      Arrange a migrant pogrom and hint
      that if Merkel doesn’t close SP-2,
      Cologne will seem to her easy prank.
      And nobody will definitely allow touching migrants,
      not for that from Europe sent.
    14. +18
      25 January 2016 07: 25
      In the role of one of «significant» figures at the World Economic Forum in Davos (this is in Switzerland), Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko predictably spoke.
    15. +1
      25 January 2016 07: 30
      if ours do not sniff by 19, and close the transit through 404, Europe itself will crawl to us, an alternative to our gas is much more expensive
      1. +1
        25 January 2016 10: 03
        Quote: denssss
        Europe itself will creep up to us, an alternative to our gas is much more expensive

        that's exactly the same thing about Ukraine, the authorities thought where they were going to crawl on their knees, the fact is that Iran is going to supply gas to Europe, so that they won’t crawl anywhere
        1. +1
          25 January 2016 10: 41
          In the 19th, transit through Ukraine will most likely not be closed, but they will most likely sell it on the border with the Russian Federation to Europe.
          1. +6
            25 January 2016 12: 46
            You are right, gas transit will not be closed in 2019.
            Here is what Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on this occasion: “.. Russia is not yet planning to completely abandon gas transit through Ukraine; much will depend on negotiations between Gazprom and Naftogaz.
            This decision was announced at the initiative of President Putin, who in mid-December last year announced that he was not sure about the need to stop the transit of Russian gas to Europe through Ukraine.

            We all know that earlier the Russian authorities and the leadership of Gazprom have repeatedly said that they will not renew the agreement on gas transit to Europe after 2019 on conditions that are unfavorable for the Russian Federation. It turns out that the prestige of the country is not the main thing, money is involved in everything. If you disagree with this, try to explain it differently.
            1. +1
              25 January 2016 23: 17
              So capitalism is implicated in money, not in the public interest. If the pipe brings a profit, there are no questions, and there are at least fascists, at least communists, at least democrats, at least aristocrats - all from the evil one.
        2. +1
          26 January 2016 03: 30
          how are they going? who will let them put the pipe?
    16. +3
      25 January 2016 07: 31
      Geytsy wake up and send this rooster to hell with his demagoguery. After all, if you don’t have gas, then the Schwarzen-Drugan will finish off the remnants of the Geys, these jackals are heat-loving and do not collect cold. Turn on your brains and drive pendosov from their territories.
    17. +5
      25 January 2016 07: 40
      , since his goal is to deprive Ukraine transit capacities and about two billion dollars in annual gas transit fees.

      And who takes these capacities from them? belay They stay and let them rock! That's just what? Well, let them look in the market lol they won’t find it, well, they didn’t fit into the market .... request lol
      1. +2
        25 January 2016 11: 01
        Quote: Aleksander

        And who takes these capacities from them? belay They stay and let them rock! That's just what? Well, let them look in the market

        Well, let them continue to pump reverse gas from Europe - they refused Russian gas, they supply European gas to them ... And we will see ...
        Good luck, junta!
      2. 0
        26 January 2016 22: 41
        We will download ONLY for intra-European consumption. Without transit fees. For ordered and PREPARED volumes. The technological component in its pipe will be paid by Dill. It will be more profitable for it to transit through Germany.
    18. Pig
      +2
      25 January 2016 08: 03
      "" Well, we will wait for the visit of Joe Biden (or perhaps John McCain, a specialist in blocking the "streams") somewhere in Germany, since this is where Nord Stream 2 is "going" ""
      it is unlikely that the Reich will listen to some kind of McCain ... especially now - after the "sanctions" and the invasion of Arabs and Negroes;)
      this person is more for any Bulgarian-Romanian-Georgian-Trypillian "savages" authority ... it is in the limitrophes that puppets write with delight that they are allowed to kiss the handle of a whole "American congressman" ...
      and for Deutschland the figure is too small
    19. +12
      25 January 2016 08: 11
      After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev would interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream - 2 project, which envisages the construction of two gas pipelines from Russia to Germany.
      Well, nothing else comes to mind when you hear the statements of this clown, the analogy suggests itself
    20. +6
      25 January 2016 08: 12
      the 2019 year will come and there we will see what will happen in the world, what will happen to Ukraine (if it still will be) and the most important thing SMAOE will find out is what our government will decide about the transit of gas through an independent one, then it will be possible to reason! In the meantime, this is all the talk and stories of old women!
    21. +1
      25 January 2016 08: 21
      B ..., soon the liver will fall off, and he still considers himself the first guy in the euro village. Well, you can't stand the "Russian spirit", just turn off the gas to Europe, and suddenly Russian gas flows through the Ukrainian pipe. Not patriotic!
    22. +4
      25 January 2016 08: 22
      We poke this pipe where not getting. First to the north, then south, now to China, and we ourselves are heated by wood. They do not want the Nord Stream - let them pay for the transit of dill.
      1. +7
        25 January 2016 08: 42
        We poke this pipe where not getting. First to the north, then south, now to China, and we ourselves are heated by wood. They do not want the Nord Stream - let them pay for the transit of dill.

        It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???
        1. +8
          25 January 2016 08: 51
          Quote: nemec55
          It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???

          From there they pump bucks, and rubles from their population, they will squeeze out a penny without gas ...
        2. -5
          25 January 2016 10: 05
          Unfortunately, people in villages do not make machine tools and electronic components. And they are for dollars.
          1. 0
            27 January 2016 20: 12
            And what, ours is weak to make machines. and electronics
        3. +7
          25 January 2016 10: 33
          Quote: Stinger
          and ourselves are heated with wood.

          Quote: nemec55
          . And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???

          As it turned out, the villagers do not want to use the "national property".
          Here, three years ago, we reached a neighboring village, they still reached it, the people were delighted, they connected, those who pulled it financially, they sorted out some sales of the furnace ...
          Hooked up - had fun, counted - wept. Gas heating was 2,5 times more expensive than wood.
          This summer the stove-makers had a golden season - they put stoves in place of the disassembled ones.
          They added a gas boiler house to the school - last February they turned off the gas for non-payment - the school didn’t pay such expenses, they didn’t take apart the wood (the administration helped with firewood) ... this year, since the beginning of the season, they have been drowning with firewood ...
          Not reached us 24 km and glory to god Gazprom!

          So experience suggests that gas in the Russian outback is an inadmissible luxury.
          1. 0
            25 January 2016 17: 08
            《Wheel》 what tariffs ??? Sound please. And the cost of a cube of firewood !!!!!
            Something I can hardly believe that gas is more expensive than wood. Maybe you yourself chopped wood in the taiga (black), then yes cheaper.

            I turned off gas for my father ... yes expensive, not everyone in the village has that kind of money + boiler, radiators, pipes. But the price tag for gas heating is 3 times cheaper than a stove !!!
            And it’s much more convenient for the old man to press a button and WARM at home than to heat the stove, and then clean it and take out the ashes.
            No need to cause confusion.
            1. +1
              25 January 2016 19: 51
              in villages where there are especially timber industry enterprises, firewood is really cheap. Sometimes just for free. Therefore, they are cheaper than gas. In my native village, in the afternoon, people in my midday also pricked up building large capital houses, but they put boilers on wood.
              1. 0
                26 January 2016 22: 48
                Effective managers do not understand the difference in regional conditions. They work with medium-ceiling prices. The conditions of a SPECIFIC village are not taken into account. They dictate like Europe. There are very few professionals with lawyers. There are very few professionals. There are specialists in heat engineering and housing and communal services.
              2. 0
                27 January 2016 20: 18
                You still remember the firewood tractor for half a liter
            2. +1
              26 January 2016 01: 29
              Quote: Pulya
              《Wheel》 what tariffs ??? Sound please. And the cost of a cube of firewood !!!!!

              I won’t say anything about gas tariffs - I’m not stupidly interested, but all those connected unanimously say that about 4 tyrov (this is the average house without bells and whistles) run in a month, who have a bigger house, reaches 6.
              The price of firewood we have 4 tyr for a car 5 cubic meters of sawn (plus a thousand if you hire to split).
              On average, about 10 cubic meters (with a bathhouse) are spent per season in an ordinary house.
              In cottages twice as much.
              If you write in the administration, then at the root of 15 cubes (such a norm for a year) are less than a thousand, but you need to independently harvest them in the forest and take them out.
              You can take cuts on the sawmills - about a thousand for 5 cubic meters.
              The heating season lasts for 6,5 - 7 months.
              Komi District, Perm Territory.

              PS And, young man, good manners imply appeal to you.
              I am sure that your father would not like it if someone unfamiliar began to poke him with the first phrase.
        4. -7
          25 January 2016 10: 59
          Quote: nemec55
          It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???


          Don’t worry about the villages. Already long ago - long ago in villages / villages, which, in fact, have turned into holiday villages, use liquefied natural gas and electricity. Even firewood is not needed, since in summer it is not necessary to heat, and in winter no one lives there: there is no one.
          1. +7
            25 January 2016 12: 25
            Don’t worry about the villages. Already long ago - long ago in villages / villages, which, in fact, have turned into holiday villages, use liquefied natural gas and electricity. Even firewood is not needed, since in summer it is not necessary to heat, and in winter no one lives there: there is no one.
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            fool And what do I write to you pancake from Courchevel ept If your suburban dachas near Moscow are rubled, etc. then our Siberian villages do not see gas for two reasons the first is not the second
            As it turned out, the villagers do not want to use the "national property".
            Here, three years ago, we reached a neighboring village, they still reached it, the people were delighted, they connected, those who pulled it financially, they sorted out some sales of the furnace ...
            Hooked up - had fun, counted - wept. Gas heating was 2,5 times more expensive than wood.
            This summer the stove-makers had a golden season - they put stoves in place of the disassembled ones.
            They added a gas boiler house to the school - last February they turned off the gas for non-payment - the school didn’t pay such expenses, they didn’t take apart the wood (the administration helped with firewood) ... this year, since the beginning of the season, they have been drowning with firewood ...
            Not reached us 24 km and thank God Gazprom!

            So experience suggests that gas in the Russian outback is an inadmissible luxury.
            1. 0
              25 January 2016 23: 04
              Nehren gas burn, this is the bread of chemistry.
          2. 0
            26 January 2016 22: 53
            You do not understand the city .. Although Rubles are all gasified with budgetary funds ..
    23. +2
      25 January 2016 08: 41
      Now Merkel will be under strong pressure from the Americans. I would say the strongest.
      I am afraid that this frau is weak in some positions.
    24. +3
      25 January 2016 09: 19
      If the article is perceived adequately, then nothing good happened in Davos, it was understandable, all the local public perceives Russia as the devil smell of incense! Of course, they can do a lot of nasty things, now everything will depend on how Frau Merkel and Monsieur Hollande behave. "talk" with our "local liberals" for they will pose the greatest threat in the near future.
    25. +1
      25 January 2016 09: 23
      We’ll shut off some kitchen screams - let them crawl for gas - they will not go anywhere. The state has a set of tasks - to sell gas, - to get rid of Ukrainian blackmail, not to lose confidence in the world, to resist the attacks of the West, and this is not the whole list. And the proposals sound - stupidly pontoon, but I have gas _ and I won’t let you. Kindergarten.
      1. +4
        25 January 2016 15: 07
        Quote: St. Propulsion
        . And the proposals sound - stupidly pontoon, but I have gas _ and I won’t let you.

        you know, in my opinion we (this is our government) are now just stupidly poking around with this pipe. there were statements, and at the highest level, that Ukraine has not been considered as a transporter of our gas since 19? were. well, period! and it is inappropriate to grind flour from non-existent grain again, like the last statement of the GDP on transit: ... "we will think about the possibility of transit through Ukraine ..." but don't fucking think! died, so died, and there is no need to turn on the return line! It will not be worse, but it is necessary to develop OWN, but this in the foreseeable future from our government is not necessary, well, it is not profitable for them!
      2. +1
        25 January 2016 22: 59
        Any capitalist state always has one task - to protect the pocket of the beneficiary. And this is not necessarily a state.
    26. 0
      25 January 2016 09: 45
      They arranged a get-together in Davos, took a glass each, and began to decide the fate of Europe and millions - one non-president, the second - the "president" appointed by the non-president. And in 19, Russia shut off the gas valve, and before that, the rest of Europe itself built SP-2.
    27. +2
      25 January 2016 09: 49
      Quote: valent45
      I am afraid that this frau is weak in some positions.

      This frau is weak in all positions. Shout, damn it, overseas patron. Bismarck in a coffin turns over every day.
      1. 0
        25 January 2016 15: 08
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Bismarck in a coffin turns over every day.

        at least three times a day. I thought it myself! lol laughing
    28. 0
      25 January 2016 09: 50
      It is a pity that the Germans will be warm ...
      1. 0
        25 January 2016 10: 07
        It is necessary to write "warm".
    29. +1
      25 January 2016 09: 58
      Decided: "Nord Stream - 2" - the project is not an economic, but a political one, and its goal is to harm both unfortunate Ukraine and the "significant number" of EU countries.


      Ukraine - an eye for an eye, and about a significant number of EU countries - and to hell with them, they harm us and do not frown.
    30. +2
      25 January 2016 09: 59
      In fact, the Europeans may well shut off Nord Stream 2 or make it not at all profitable. We also talked about South Stream earlier, but it was closed, then we hoped for Turkish Stream - it was also stalled. So I hope everything will be okay. Without us, at such a time there will be gas sellers, there is no need to rely heavily on your monopoly, the same Iran or Qatar will be transported by gas carriers if necessary, the more the price has dropped, but you need to sell.

      The only problem with these flows is that due to the European bureaucracy and the lack of sound competition in the gas market in Russia, our Nord Streams are always loaded only by 50%, because the second 50% must be given to Gazprom's competitors, and because of the monopoly in Russia for gas transportation is not .. Because of this, it turns out that the infrastructure for Russia is always at least 2 times more expensive.
      1. 0
        26 January 2016 22: 58
        But how many gas carriers in the required number of years and who will be able to build? Two Misral to remake, and then a drop in the ocean.
    31. +1
      25 January 2016 10: 31
      It’s too early to say what will happen in 2019, but, definitely,
      transit through Ukraine must be ended,
      otherwise these "traitors - Slavs" will not calm down.
      1. 0
        25 January 2016 11: 29
        Quote: atamankko
        these "traitors are Slavs"
        Waltzmanns are Slavs ... laughing well, they made laugh. lol
      2. 0
        27 January 2016 20: 33
        And as you imagine it, you will stand by the fan and redraw it. Or ask the government to fulfill its.
    32. 0
      25 January 2016 10: 48
      After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev will interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project.

      They will take Islyamov and go out on a kayak to the North Sea.
      blockade!

      “We clearly emphasized that Nord Stream 2 is a purely political project, which is directed both against Ukraine and against a significant number of EU countries,

      "Nord Stream-2" is not against it, but bypassing the land, the great lands and the Balts!

      Biden and Poroshenko coordinated actions in relation to the ceasefire in the Donbass. In addition, issues of “unhindered access for OSCE representatives to heavy weapons storage facilities and to the border” were discussed.

      But they did not coordinate how to convey this to the fascist sector and other punishers and looters?
    33. +2
      25 January 2016 10: 49
      The United States wants to throw its gas stranglehold on European countries.
      But if Russia supplies gas under existing contracts in any political conditions, then the United States will apply sanctions to naughty vassals.
    34. +3
      25 January 2016 10: 54
      will give a kick to the negligent IMF delaying the December tranche


      ... will give a kick to the negligent IMF, To the December tranche laughing

      Ukraine only MUST.

      The current company of SP-2 members is not Bulgaria, where McCain presides. Closer to spring, when ukraim will have to buy Russian gas or problems begin in Europe, the situation will become even clearer.

      It is characteristic that the chosen one Merkel has nothing against SP-2, but figures from the European Commission, which nobody chose, and which nobody (except upper partners from the USA) do not represent - have.
    35. 0
      25 January 2016 10: 54
      I liked the simplicity of J. Biden ... @vp, at least usa added something ?! And it turns out like Gaidai: "King, very nice, just a king ..." laughing
    36. 0
      25 January 2016 11: 19
      Comrades! Explain to me, how do they substantiate their requirements? After all, even a frostbitten bully, pestering a passerby on the street, gives out some kind of claim. I'm straight dumb from such arrogance.
    37. +1
      25 January 2016 11: 23
      The Nord Stream is slowly, but deeper and farther, moving to Evopu. And "ordinary German" businessmen will not allow Merkel to throw her money into the Baltic in the name of Biden & Son's interest in Ukraine. hi
      1. 0
        27 January 2016 20: 40
        Well, this is another question about businessmen, the Mistral also built French businessmen.
    38. 0
      25 January 2016 11: 26
      It's simple: you do not buy our gas and do not pay debts, and we do not use your pipe ...
    39. +2
      25 January 2016 11: 26
      Grandma Merkel will not give up SP-2, the Germans will not forgive her after migrants, so, in vain, this rooster dismissed its feathers. Then he will have a complete bummer.
    40. +1
      25 January 2016 11: 31
      Why can’t you just make a gas pipeline to Kaliningrad?
    41. +3
      25 January 2016 11: 49
      "Later, in an interview with CNN, Poroshenko said that Ukraine expects to receive $ 24 billion from the IMF." Nevertheless, as of January 2016, XNUMX, there is no information on the IMF website about the decision to allocate the next tranche to Ukraine. True, there is an interview with the Deputy Director of the IMF for Public Relations (very entertaining), it will take a long time to retell it, but I would like to highlight a couple of points from it:
      When asked about the timing of the allocation of the next tranche to Ukraine, this gentleman replied that he did not have this information, he also indicated "Ukraine defaulted on its sovereign debt to the Russian Federation" and the decision on the sovereign debt is a bilateral matter between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
      I catch everything on the fly, I realized this is a hint ...
    42. 0
      25 January 2016 11: 56
      And the preservation of the existing gas pipeline just so that Ukraine could have transit money and grounds for blackmail - is this not a political decision? So even in the Nord Stream there is an economy, but here?
    43. +1
      25 January 2016 12: 19
      Straight on Gogol! Poroshenko, this is just a composite character of "Dead Souls")) from Chichikov to Manilov (including everyone else). It would be funny if it weren't so sad. (
    44. 0
      25 January 2016 13: 04
      I agree that the Chancellor will have the last word, or rather from the force of pressure on her from overseas and big German business interested in construction. I would not like to "screw up", but I fear that it will not withstand Frau's overseas pressure. However, time will tell, our people have also learned to convince.
    45. +1
      25 January 2016 13: 45
      We bring north-2 to the border. We declare that the gas supply through Ukraine stops. And then, if they want our gas, let them connect, if not, that's all. There was a country without gas export, and now we will live. Enough to humble ourselves before Europe. We need less exports than they need our gas.
      1. 0
        25 January 2016 22: 42
        So is it worth it to bury the pipes for nothing. It is not necessary to build this way - start with the consumer i.e. In the West, and ending up with a deposit, then there will be XNUMX% guarantees, and so will the consumer, swindler and charlotte.
    46. 0
      25 January 2016 15: 00
      I can’t understand one thing - it turns out that Germany and the rest of Europe are not profitable flow Is it easier for us to pay Ukraine for transit, would she blackmail us and cut off supplies to the same Europe, when she pleases? What the ??? Let the Germans better freeze in the winter, the main thing is to hoh..am please !!! Well, go .. you !!!!
    47. +2
      25 January 2016 17: 34
      The North Stream is a lesser evil than the "South Stream" in the form of barmaley, which the EU has already received ... And it will receive more, because this is just the beginning!
    48. -4
      25 January 2016 17: 50
      so you have the Mongols gas run out
      1. +1
        26 January 2016 01: 34
        Quote: Apache
        so you have the Mongols gas run out

        Oh, Svidomo drew! laughing laughing laughing
        Jump on - keep warm!
      2. 0
        26 January 2016 23: 05
        MYSELF handsome! Hybrid psheka and Romanian. Yes and the ancestors of Merkel added genes.
    49. +3
      25 January 2016 18: 15
      What does Petino care about third-country contracts? He himself may soon lose the little that he has today. First, no-fly, then no-transit, then just a zone ...
    50. +1
      25 January 2016 18: 19
      sensing the presence of the omnipotent Mr. Biden The usual "childish" delusion - there are no omnipotent people in this world ...... Today Baydon is on horseback, tomorrow no one will remember him .... the formula of being, yi.
    51. +2
      25 January 2016 19: 21
      Petro Poroshenko held talks with US Vice President Joseph Biden in Davos.

      abroad will help you...to finally ruin the remains of the country.
      in the 90s, these foreign countries actively worked to destroy Russia, but they broke it off...
      How, after all, what is happening in Ukraine reminds us of our 90s:
      - gang violence
      - impoverishment of most of the population
      - theft of foreign loans
      - President... there’s nothing to even say here
      - collapse of industrial enterprises
      and all this disgrace accompanied by a friendly “pat on the shoulder”...
    52. 0
      25 January 2016 19: 45
      But I wonder why Gazprom has such a desire for offshore gas pipelines? By
      The map (in the title of the article) shows that this pipe can be laid across the territory
      tory of Belarus and Poland. On land it is easier to lay out the route, and the route
      it turns out to be several hundred kilometers shorter. In any case it will cost
      hundreds of millions (if you count in greenbacks or euros) are cheaper and will be faster.
      In addition, Beltransgaz seems to have been controlled by Gazprom for a long time. By
      let the Poles and the Germans lay the pipe on Polish territory.
      A suspicion arises that someone at Gazprom has a problem with the gasket
      across the seas. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the pipes for sea routes
      You must definitely buy from Germany.
    53. 0
      25 January 2016 19: 53
      GAZPROM wanted to extend the Turkish Stream to Greece and build a gas hub, but why are they delaying so much if they can build a hub on the border with the European Union in the Pskov or Leningrad region
    54. +1
      25 January 2016 19: 59
      hmm, it seems that someone asked the speaker from the IMF a question about a loan to Ukraine. He replied that he knew nothing about it and called the non-repayment of Russia’s debt a default of Ukraine and Ukraine should solve this problem. That's how I heard it
    55. 0
      25 January 2016 22: 31
      Implementation, is it that the American breeding pig's sperm will be carried over by foreign laws to its native land?
    56. 0
      26 January 2016 04: 20
      Quote: droideck
      And by the way - it is not known what Germany thinks about this?

      Germany is thinking about what to do with Merkel, and the horror that she has done here.
    57. 0
      26 January 2016 07: 19
      It’s time for Russia, at the official level, to announce that there is gas left in Russia only for Europe and that Russia will save this gas. In this regard, block transit through Hochland. Then all problems will end.
    58. 0
      26 January 2016 08: 30
      The Germans will not close this project no matter what “problems” arise.
      To begin with, Frau Merkel will be sent into retirement to one of the “refugee” camps.
      Let the Americans pump gas to Ukropia or Pedropa.
      Correctly they have already said: “...The Gulf Stream is no longer the same...”
      So let's jump - keep warm + cookies = diet good
    59. +1
      26 January 2016 10: 23
      People ! Well, how much is possible? Russia, as a territory and a country, is self-sufficient! Well, why in Belarus there is gas in EVERY locality and connection to the pipe costs a penny for a private owner. Why is almost all of Ukraine heated by Russian gas? In Russia itself, more than 60% of settlements are not gasified! And why is NATIONAL STATE so expensive for a nation?
    60. kig
      0
      26 January 2016 10: 27
      http://www.marinelink.com/news/pipeline-cancels-tenders403268.aspx:

      Monday, January 11, 2016
      Russian gas giant Gazprom has canceled several tenders for construction of over 400 km of a gas trunk pipeline needed for the planned Nord Stream II project, according to documents posted on a government procurement website. The tenders recently canceled by Gazprom were worth some 13 billion roubles ($170.7 million), according to documents Gazprom posted on the government procurement website zakupki.gov.ru. It was not immediately clear why Gazprom had canceled the tenders.
    61. 0
      26 January 2016 12: 45
      You can solve the PROBLEM with one stroke of the pen.
      Sell ​​gas to Ukraine and let it sell this stuff to Europe (instead of Germany)
      Let's see how Europe and its overseas masters speak
      There will be nothing to cover with, but what we have will be enough for us
    62. 0
      26 January 2016 17: 21
      The informational silence regarding Turkmen gas is alarming, but Germany will not give up its gas, and out of 7 billion dollars, 3 will be returned to us!!!
    63. 0
      27 January 2016 15: 05
      Yes, fuck it, with this “Stream”... The time has come to think about Russia’s food and energy security and complete independence from the cute manifestations of “Geyrop friendship”... In 1912 there were no “pipes”, no “Streams” "and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE lived and lived...
    64. 0
      27 January 2016 19: 14
      I'm so sick of this Bandera thing.
    65. oof
      0
      28 January 2016 00: 14
      As soon as the tap on the Khokhlyatsk pipe is turned off, Europe will really need the second line of the Nord Stream. Nobody will listen to the fat eaters.
    66. 0
      28 January 2016 02: 16
      One of the first “comments” contained the most sensible idea - stop selling raw materials, process them yourself and sell the finished product. Without our raw materials, their (Western) economy will become 50% dependent on product supplies from Russia. Then we'll see who's in charge. Unfortunately, this is not profitable for the owners of finance and industry.

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