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How was Nord Stream sentenced - 2?

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One of the “significant” figures at the World Economic Forum in Davos (in Switzerland) was predictably made by the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko. The foreign, Ukrainian and Russian press is replete with his numerous statements. He will receive billions from the IMF, and will jointly override the Nord Stream - 2 Russian with the West, and will receive "full US support for full implementation."


How was Nord Stream sentenced - 2?


Petro Poroshenko held talks in Davos with US Vice President Joseph Biden. The President of Ukraine, sensing the presence of the almighty Mr. Biden, said that the “Nord Stream - 2” project should be “stopped”.

After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev would interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream - 2 project, which envisages the construction of two gas pipelines from Russia to Germany.

"We clearly emphasized that" Nord Stream - 2 "is a purely political project that is directed against both Ukraine and a significant number of EU countries, and we must act effectively to stop it," Poroshenko quotes Utro.ru.

Not without social networks.

In his "Twitter" Poroshenko wrote directly:

“In the case of rozmі @ @VP, it was more difficult to do it, the project“ The Great Pot - 2 ”є is very political, and most effective for everyone,” he said.


Translation by RIA News": "In a conversation with @VP (Joseph Biden's account. - Ed.), It was clearly noted that the Nord Stream - 2 project is purely political, and we must act effectively to stop it."

Such confidence Poroshenko in the "stop" of the project did not arise from scratch.

At the end of November 2015, the magazine reminds "Expert", ten states of Central and Eastern Europe wrote a letter to the European Commission. The text expressed the opinion that the “Nord Stream - 2” did not correspond to the interests of the European Union. Moreover, this project allegedly undermines the position of Ukraine.

Ukraine itself did not keep silent. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk called the project anti-Ukrainian and anti-European, since his goal was to deprive Ukraine of transit capacities and about two billion dollars in annual gas transit fees.

In addition to agreeing with Joe Biden about the "Nord Stream - 2", Petro Poroshenko was also happy with the upcoming cash tranche from the IMF. Tranche rather big - seven billion dollars.

As transmits "BBC"Kiev expects the next tranche of financial assistance from the IMF in February. Petro Poroshenko said this when giving an interview to the Bloomberg TV channel in Davos.

Later, in an interview with CNN, Poroshenko clarified that Ukraine expects to receive $ 7 billion from the IMF.

A year ago, reminds the BBC, the IMF agreed to grant Ukraine a loan of $ 17,5 billion in the framework of the program of economic reforms. The first tranche was sent to Ukraine in March 2015 and amounted, according to A. Yatsenyuk, to about 5 billion dollars. The second tranche, for 1,7 billion dollars, was received by the state in August. The third tranche was expected to be received in December 2015, but the matter is stalled.

And now, in Davos, Poroshenko talked with the head of the IMF Christine Lagarde and discussed the provision of international financial assistance to Ukraine. According to "BBC", the result of the meeting and Lagarde and Poroshenko were satisfied.

As for the Ukrainian situation, the American topic resurfaced here. Apparently, the Americans even put a hand to the composition of the Ukrainian constitution.

At the talks with Joe Biden, which lasted as much as four hours, Poroshenko finally believed in the power of the “implementation of the Minsk process” and “constitutional changes”.

“We have come to an absolutely single conclusion that there is no alternative to the Minsk process,” he quotes. Utro.ru. “We have full US support for the full implementation of the Minsk process, which includes the security component.”

According to the Ukrainian president, during the meeting the parties (that is, Biden and Poroshenko. - O. Ch.) Coordinated actions regarding the ceasefire regime in the Donbas. In addition, the issues of “unhindered access of OSCE representatives to heavy storage facilities weapons and to the border. "

“Separately, we discussed the“ roadmap ”of constitutional amendments,” Poroshenko said.

Finally, the preparation of elections in the Donbas was also discussed “in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, with the broad participation of international observers,” the Ukrainian president added.

In short, wherever you throw, everywhere ... USA. Well, or the IMF, which, in general, also belongs to the world "patrimonies" of the United States.

It turns out that Washington will rewrite the constitution of Ukraine (or Ukraine will write it under Washington’s dictation), help Kiev to achieve “full implementation of the Minsk process”, kick the negligent IMF who delayed the December tranche and rally the European-Ukrainian 2 opponents, with whose help these nasty Russians conceived to infringe on the interests of Ukraine.

Decided: "Nord Stream - 2" - the project is not an economic, but a political one, and its goal is to harm both unfortunate Ukraine and the "significant number" of EU countries.

Oh, those ruthless Russians!

Well, we will wait for Joe Biden's visit (or perhaps the specialist for cutting off the “flows” of John McCain) to Germany somewhere, since the “Nord Stream - 2” is sent there. Let's see how the representatives of Washington will provide "full support" to Ukraine and defend its "interests".

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  1. Riv
    Riv 25 January 2016 06: 35
    60
    Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously? Man lives in an altered reality created by his own imagination. A straitjacket and a fool - there he is the place.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 25 January 2016 07: 01
      71
      Quote: Riv
      Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously? Man lives in an altered reality created by his own imagination. A straitjacket and a fool - there he is the place.
      1. krot
        krot 25 January 2016 08: 00
        106
        I hope that after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors!
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 25 January 2016 09: 34
          58
          .... I hope after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors! ....

          .... I would like all Gazprom's statements about the termination of transit through Ukraine to be not a simple concussion of the air, but a real action .... If Europe does not need Russian gas (which I personally doubt very much), then our government should will be very concerned about the construction of facilities for deep processing of gas .... There is still time (until 2019) .... And then we'll see .... By the way, the Gulf Stream (which heats Europa) is far from what it was .. .. hi
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 25 January 2016 16: 16
            11
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            .If Europe does not need Russian gas

            Germany is driving Europe, and it may well convince some heads of state to disown Russian gas .. Germany itself has long been cautious about this issue, securing an independent gas stream from Russia on the bottom of the Baltic! wassat And there, you see, and neighbors can be "pampered" on occasion .. at a "fair price" wink
            1. droideck
              droideck 25 January 2016 17: 49
              +3
              And by the way - it is not known what Germany thinks about this?
              1. Nick
                Nick 25 January 2016 19: 15
                +2
                Quote: droideck
                And by the way - it is not known what Germany thinks about this?

                Why is it unknown? Germany expressed interest in the implementation of the Nord Stream2 project
                1. kuz363
                  kuz363 25 January 2016 20: 14
                  0
                  Yes, Germany, and especially the excess gas is not needed. They have enough for now.
                  1. BARKHAN
                    BARKHAN 26 January 2016 00: 36
                    10
                    Quote: kuz363
                    Yes, Germany, and especially the excess gas is not needed. They have enough for now.

                    I just can’t understand one thing ... And what about Ukraine and the USA? Are we pulling pipes through the Gulf of Mexico? This is a personal matter between Russia and Germany! And Ukraine was simply spoiled very much. They also dictate and do not let us go.
                    Some kind of crap request
                    The Germans, I’m sure anyway, will somehow drag this project. To steer with real money. Almost from the air. To sit on the nipple distribution panel ... Ancient Ukrainians were simply unrealistic stupid with their transit capabilities.
                    We noticed that in every sentence of Poroshenko: “America is with us!” Well, well ... we'll see.
                    1. mahor
                      mahor 26 January 2016 15: 42
                      +1
                      It was not necessary to feed 23 dill. Hence all the problems ...
                  2. vnenahov
                    vnenahov 26 January 2016 02: 28
                    +2
                    Gas is supplied to Germany via pipelines from the Netherlands and Norway. The Dutch Sloheteren field is in declining production. The decline in production in Norway will begin no later than 2020, according to our estimates and the estimates of the Swedes.
              2. Konstantin Yu
                Konstantin Yu 26 January 2016 09: 41
                0
                Germany itself has not been thinking anything for a long time ... it listens to the receiver what it is allowed to do, but it works for fines (tribute) ...
              3. Goha
                Goha 27 January 2016 15: 39
                0
                She doesn't think anything. The Americans think for her.
            2. complete zero
              complete zero 26 January 2016 08: 07
              +4
              the emancipated mare Merkel is not Germany yet, Germany will start when Merkel is turned up at the frigate of whatever frigate (sooner or later it will happen) ... but what kind of Germany will it be then? ... everything in history is cyclical and everything repeats itself
          2. NIKNN
            NIKNN 25 January 2016 21: 16
            +4
            Petro Poroshenko was made happy by the upcoming monetary tranche from the IMF. A rather large tranche of seven billion dollars.


            So big, but he believes in fairy tales ... smile
        2. SeAl2014
          SeAl2014 25 January 2016 09: 39
          +4
          Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 January 2016 10: 35
            +6
            Let them find a freebie elsewhere.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 25 January 2016 12: 12
            +3
            Quote: SeAl2014
            Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!


            They stole, they steal and will steal. Freebie and theft - one does not interfere with the other, and which of them is sweeter is a big question.
            (cry.)
          3. skeptic
            skeptic 25 January 2016 16: 08
            +1
            Quote: SeAl2014
            Sir, what about a freebie ?! Forever beloved as a fat freebie!


            And how much metal is in the non-stop pipelines? So otozh!
        3. marna
          marna 25 January 2016 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: krot
          all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained!

          By this time, their pipe itself will fall apart. So far no one wants to invest in it. And he is unlikely to want in the future, with such an alternative giftedness of power in an independent.
        4. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 25 January 2016 18: 22
          +1
          The so-called reverse gas from Europe from Slovakia is our stolen gas. It seems so.
        5. Tatyana_VV
          Tatyana_VV 25 January 2016 19: 35
          +2
          Until 19, there is still time. Maybe a large part of 404 will become ours? However, Sev. Stream-2 also does not hurt in any case - to put a nefig in one basket (eggs) smile
        6. larand
          larand 26 January 2016 06: 46
          0
          Quote: krot
          I hope that after 19, all transit gas pipelines through Ukraine will be drained! Nothing to feed the traitors!

          And it depends on who will be the president of the Russian Federation in 2019. If we assume Medvedev, it is unlikely to be drained.
      2. sherman1506
        sherman1506 25 January 2016 08: 10
        16
        Piglet with a monkey, invincible power.
      3. Yura
        Yura 25 January 2016 10: 44
        +5
        Quote: Voha_krim
        Well, how can one take Poroshenko seriously?

        It turns out that he knows such words - "implementation", I can't utter this without a liter, and he hasn't got drunk yet, he is smart.
      4. mirag2
        mirag2 25 January 2016 14: 32
        +3
        Here is a report from Davos in Ukrosmi (see from 17.10)
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 25 January 2016 08: 50
      +5
      Would not be taken seriously would have been thrown out of Kiev and Ukraine. First of all, the president of the Russian Federation took seriously.
    3. am808s
      am808s 25 January 2016 10: 21
      +4
      better bag on the head and on the gallows!
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 25 January 2016 14: 16
      +1
      Break off for free for transit that Ukraine, that Poland. In any case, the gas pipeline to fall into the frankincense breathes. If economically Psheks and Ukrainians become weaker, then Germany only benefits laughing
    6. field engineer
      field engineer 25 January 2016 22: 26
      +2
      It looks like autism or pretends to be.
      1. Yura
        Yura 26 January 2016 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: railway sapper
        It looks like autism or pretends to be.

        Does autistic play autistic? belay smile
    7. complete zero
      complete zero 26 January 2016 08: 00
      +1
      Yes, there are "clients" (for the fool) more than enough of the whole "solidary Europe" ... I never thought that people can give up BENEFITS for the sake of whatever political decisions
    8. Goha
      Goha 27 January 2016 15: 37
      0
      Dress the diaper and tie it to the bed.
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 January 2016 06: 44
    30
    Just let the IMF out of seven billion three and a half debt immediately transfer to the Russian count.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 25 January 2016 07: 05
      16
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      of seven billion, three and a half debts will immediately be transferred to Russian counts.

      The joke is that Lagarde never hinted at the loan. Petsya independently showed the initiative, speaking to the press. And the sum of the "protein" whispered, not otherwise.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 25 January 2016 06: 48
    28
    Well, we will wait for the visit of Joe Biden (or maybe John McCain, specialist in blocking the “flows”) somewhere to Germany, since Nord Stream 2 is sent there.


    The Germans will bend or not bend ... what that is the question.
    And for POROSHENKO, a freebie ends in 2019 with a pipe from RUSSIA ... cutting coupons now will not work for beautiful eyes.
    Someday blackmail RUSSIA should end with a banal scuffle.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 25 January 2016 07: 31
      19
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Germans will bend or not bend ...

      here is a tool of exposure to migrants, I suppose
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 25 January 2016 07: 43
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Germans will bend or not bend ... that is the question

      There is an opinion that they will not bend. Maybe they will make concessions and Poland will take part in Nord Stream 2 - the Poles have long hinted at this. Then from the serious opponents of the project in Europe, no one will remain - do not consider the "Baltic tigers" or Slovakia as such, in fact.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 25 January 2016 09: 46
        10
        ..... will make concessions and Poland will take part in Nord Stream 2 ...


        ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? .... request
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 25 January 2016 12: 44
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? ....

          Poles will be happy good
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 25 January 2016 12: 48
          +4
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ... Change the awl for soap (Vuykraine to Poland) ?????? ..... And the point ???? ....

          Look at the map. Poland will stretch itself a branch from the Nord Stream. And it will bank gas in Eastern Europe. That's the whole point.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 27 January 2016 09: 31
            0
            ...... Poland will stretch itself a branch from the Nord Stream. And it will bank gas in Eastern Europe. That's the whole point ...

            .... As far as I know (according to publications), Poland wants the gas pipeline branch (meaning the main) to go to its territorial waters .... And this changes the whole meaning .... And the fact that the branch will be from the gas pipeline is already not significant ..... hi
        3. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 25 January 2016 18: 24
          +1
          It is not clear how the Poles can participate.
          Only if you hire them to lay the pipeline along the bottom.
      2. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 25 January 2016 10: 06
        +6
        [quote = The same LEKH] [quote] Germans will bend or not bend ... what that’s the question. [/ quote]

        The experience of sanctions shows that the Germans were taught to cave in whenever the owner needed it. Bend and this bend already at the reflex level.
        1. King, just king
          King, just king 25 January 2016 14: 41
          0
          Bend over anyway! With such a chancellor, and with military bases, there’s no gold coin, there are still a million migrants tossed — where the poor Deutschlands are to go.

          Yes, the most important thing, and what kind of shisha should we build "SP-2" on?
          1. gleb0606
            gleb0606 25 January 2016 21: 57
            +2
            Quote: King, just king

            Yes, the most important thing, and what kind of shisha should we build "SP-2" on?

            Well, everything is not bad with the "shisha", it is not the state that is building, but Gazprom, and now he has a fair amount of money, because he receives income in dollars, and most of his costs are in rubles.
    3. major147
      major147 25 January 2016 08: 16
      +3
      Yes Yes! Until the age of 19, a "massacre" may also occur. And with it the change of power in the "square".
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 25 January 2016 09: 58
        +3
        The change of power is likely to happen. The rating of current rulers is extremely low. But which way is the big question. More likely is even greater radicalization. Saakashvilli, Yarosh - the most likely figures of the future establishment
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 January 2016 06: 49
    +7
    Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev will interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project, which provides for the construction of two pipelines of an offshore gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.

    Did Poroshenko discuss this issue with Merkel? He probably forgot what contribution Germany is making to this very Ukraine. Here is the test for the Germans. Once again they will sacrifice their interests for the sake of ghostly Ukraine and several vehemently Russophobic-minded countries.
  5. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 25 January 2016 06: 56
    55
    They don’t want gas and don’t need it, there will be more for descendants. The pipe through Ukraine must be completely shut off, but who needs gas to solve all the problems themselves and pull the pipe to the Russian border ... I don’t understand what to do. And money must be obtained not by trading in gas and oil, but to work, to produce, we have a huge market inside our country. What is different? Once such a "dance" has gone where to go? It will be difficult, and even already difficult, this was expected, they knew that it would be so, why did they go? Why didn't you prepare? Spring is coming, sowing will begin, the price of fuel and lubricants should be reduced, abandoned fields should be raised, preferences should be given to those who really want to work and can ... Hey, the government ?!
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 25 January 2016 08: 28
      +6
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Aw, government ?!

      The government is shrunk in securities OUR money invests - busy, do not come around!
      The report says that at the end of the year, investments in American candy wrappers again increased. The growth was approximately 7%. By December 2015, the infusion of US “securities” reached the level of 88 billion dollars.
      http://topwar.ru/89581-vlozhilis-v-amerikanskie-cennye-bumagi-sho-opyat.html
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 25 January 2016 09: 53
      +8
      "... the descendants will have more ..." I completely agree. For incomprehensible money, for which not everything can be bought, to pay with irreplaceable resources? It seems to me that the current hydrocarbon surplus is more of a publicity stunt. Five, ten years - and the freebie will end forever.
      1. varov14
        varov14 25 January 2016 23: 37
        -1
        And before they even said that gas is the bread of chemistry. True chemistry we apparently Tryndets, nothing is heard.
    3. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 25 January 2016 10: 47
      +5
      Golden words! good
      The main thing is to give the opportunity to sow the fields in the spring, it is not too late to organize this.
      All in all, it is necessary to provide a mechanism for providing farms performing sowing operations with oil products at a reduced price.
      Say, you can arrange this assistance to producers of agricultural products as a state order for food.
      In business, there are such supply contracts when the buyer upfront purchases of raw materials to fulfill the order. A mechanism of this type must be involved in this sowing.
      Announce an order for agricultural products on the state website.
      Accept applications from agricultural producers
      To analyze the need and sufficiency of the proposed volume of production to provide the country with food.
      The applicants must be monitored, for which they must attract local authorities who can verify the availability of the opportunity to produce agricultural products: land, machinery, personnel. Many officials, let them check the applicants for real opportunities.
      Engage the mechanism for supplying fuel to the program at controlled prices.
      As the harvest is sold, money must be returned.
      Of course, everything should be thought out, but the main thing is that the country is provided with food, at affordable prices (it turns out that the purchase of drugs in life-saving drugs is affordable), so that people do not starve, there is no ground for a coup, which is the sweet dream of the United States and they are fed oppositionists.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 25 January 2016 13: 42
        +3
        What are you talking about? The former lands of collective farms and state farms were distributed among collective farmers, and then bought up by local and Moscow latifundists. The fields are overgrown with forests so that it is no longer possible to find places where they were. Now, latifundists, with the free support of local administrations, are intensively transferring agricultural land to construction land. He himself composed a protest petition to all authorities in his area, but to no purpose
    4. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 25 January 2016 14: 53
      +4
      you know, but judging by the latest statements by Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich on your wishes
      Quote: Tatar 174
      on fuel and lubricants, the price must be reduced,

      something little hope. He openly declared:
      we expect the PRICE RISE FOR fuels and lubricants DOES NOT EXCEED 10% ... what
      and how do you like these perls? am
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 25 January 2016 15: 30
        +3
        Quote: Victor Demchenko
        judging by the latest statements by Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich

        Quote: Viktor Demchenko
        and how do you like these perls?

        Would you give it to me for education, I would teach him ... yes
        In general, it has long been an impression that, apart from raising prices in the government, they can do nothing else. Maybe it is necessary to introduce an article on the general election of ministers into the Constitution? belay
    5. Inprom 62
      Inprom 62 25 January 2016 19: 27
      +1
      QUICK TALE, TALKS, YES NOT QUICKLY DOING IT!
    6. Awaz
      Awaz 25 January 2016 19: 37
      +5
      wink right now, I just heard Putin briefly on TV. Baba complained about the fact that they had allocated money for the construction of farms several years ago, but as the field was clean, it was so clean. All grandmas were stolen and no one is looking for anyone. And such construction projects - not one hundred in the country will be typed.
      Further about the market. The market is too small for us. One of the problems of the current situation is a sharp drop in purchasing demand. The money was not much reduced by the population. (They even say that investments in bank deposits and deposits have increased over 15 years, and seriously) but in general the population has sharply reduced their spending.
      Someone said that for a full-fledged self-organizing isolated market, at least 300 million people are needed. And the richer the better.
      The Eurasian Economic Community does not even fill this number of people. And the population is poor. And the Shanghai group is only the Chinese market. Russia is needed there only as a gas station and a supplier of raw materials, well, maybe some technologies (in most military sense)
      with rare exceptions, the current system is engaged only in what would earn, and by any means, even at the expense of the population.
      right now Putin boasts that we have a huge foreign trade surplus (that is, we would sell much more than we consume) to reproach your mother, spend extra money at least on infrastructure and not on support of cunning loan recipients who have accumulated foreign currency debts.
      Putin is really starting to lose his understanding of the situation. The fact that they convey to him is well-laid information in the right direction. To complaints from the population, he no longer responds but dismisses.
      Something is not good.
      1. varov14
        varov14 25 January 2016 23: 30
        0
        But they say he invites Jews, creates a security pad.
  6. Good cat
    Good cat 25 January 2016 06: 57
    +7
    As soon as the words "road map" have sounded, do not expect anything good!
  7. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 25 January 2016 07: 04
    +1
    There is such a correct saying among the saloids, the Duma’s bogeyman ... and so, this is about the parsley and the end company ... from idiots, what do you take?
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 25 January 2016 07: 05
    0
    for the wretched hohlyaks, - "Oh, these ruthless Russians ...", and you shouldn't have to shit on your plate first ...
  9. Fitter65
    Fitter65 25 January 2016 07: 08
    +5
    And after 19, Russia will offer Europe to transport gas on its own from the borders of the Russian Federation — and no matter how our problems are. Or, as they say, the Russian tanker does not care about the density of traffic on European roads.
    1. major147
      major147 25 January 2016 08: 18
      0
      And after 19, Russia will offer Europe to independently transport gas from the borders of the Russian Federation, and no matter how our problems are

      This (since the moderator moderates so "cruelly", I will change "pennies to owls" to "our American partners") and are trying to achieve it.
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 25 January 2016 07: 11
    27
    In 2019, the gas flow through Ukraine must be closed in any case, even at a loss and notify all recipients. The country's prestige is more expensive than dollars.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 25 January 2016 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: valokordin
      The country's prestige is more expensive than dollars.

      For whom, please specify.
      1. ty60
        ty60 26 January 2016 22: 35
        +1
        For the country. And its citizens.
  11. Alexart
    Alexart 25 January 2016 07: 12
    +1
    It’s clear that Petrushkino’s place is in a booth, but
    Biden is still that oyster, capable of fooling.
  12. Indifferent
    Indifferent 25 January 2016 07: 15
    +2
    I do not think that in today's mood in Germany, the States will be able to put pressure on the Germans so that they abandon the Nord Stream. But one should not underestimate the vile essence of the West either. These are capable of anything! They crushed the south stream, although they understand that by the year 20 they may be without gas.
    1. varov14
      varov14 25 January 2016 23: 23
      +2
      In fact, a couple of good winters in a row will sell any stream. Keep an eye on the weather forecast, it's cleaner than a candy wrapper.
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 January 2016 07: 21
    +8
    The Americans are quite capable of braking the SP-2.
    Arrange a migrant pogrom and hint
    that if Merkel doesn’t close SP-2,
    Cologne will seem to her easy prank.
    And nobody will definitely allow touching migrants,
    not for that from Europe sent.
  14. thinker
    thinker 25 January 2016 07: 25
    18
    In the role of one of «significant» figures at the World Economic Forum in Davos (this is in Switzerland), Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko predictably spoke.
  15. denssss
    denssss 25 January 2016 07: 30
    +1
    if ours do not sniff by 19, and close the transit through 404, Europe itself will crawl to us, an alternative to our gas is much more expensive
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 25 January 2016 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: denssss
      Europe itself will creep up to us, an alternative to our gas is much more expensive

      that's exactly the same thing about Ukraine, the authorities thought where they were going to crawl on their knees, the fact is that Iran is going to supply gas to Europe, so that they won’t crawl anywhere
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 25 January 2016 10: 41
        +1
        In the 19th, transit through Ukraine will most likely not be closed, but they will most likely sell it on the border with the Russian Federation to Europe.
        1. epsilon571
          epsilon571 25 January 2016 12: 46
          +6
          You are right, gas transit will not be closed in 2019.
          Here is what Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on this occasion: “.. Russia is not yet planning to completely abandon gas transit through Ukraine; much will depend on negotiations between Gazprom and Naftogaz.
          This decision was announced at the initiative of President Putin, who in mid-December last year announced that he was not sure about the need to stop the transit of Russian gas to Europe through Ukraine.

          We all know that earlier the Russian authorities and the leadership of Gazprom have repeatedly said that they will not renew the agreement on gas transit to Europe after 2019 on conditions that are unfavorable for the Russian Federation. It turns out that the prestige of the country is not the main thing, money is involved in everything. If you disagree with this, try to explain it differently.
          1. varov14
            varov14 25 January 2016 23: 17
            +1
            So capitalism is implicated in money, not in the public interest. If the pipe brings a profit, there are no questions, and there are at least fascists, at least communists, at least democrats, at least aristocrats - all from the evil one.
      2. denssss
        denssss 26 January 2016 03: 30
        +1
        how are they going? who will let them put the pipe?
  16. pts-m
    pts-m 25 January 2016 07: 31
    +3
    Geytsy wake up and send this rooster to hell with his demagoguery. After all, if you don’t have gas, then the Schwarzen-Drugan will finish off the remnants of the Geys, these jackals are heat-loving and do not collect cold. Turn on your brains and drive pendosov from their territories.
  17. Aleksander
    Aleksander 25 January 2016 07: 40
    +5
    , since his goal is to deprive Ukraine transit capacities and about two billion dollars in annual gas transit fees.

    And who takes these capacities from them? belay They stay and let them rock! That's just what? Well, let them look in the market lol they won’t find it, well, they didn’t fit into the market .... request lol
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 25 January 2016 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: Aleksander

      And who takes these capacities from them? belay They stay and let them rock! That's just what? Well, let them look in the market

      Well, let them continue to pump reverse gas from Europe - they refused Russian gas, they supply European gas to them ... And we will see ...
      Good luck, junta!
    2. ty60
      ty60 26 January 2016 22: 41
      0
      We will download ONLY for intra-European consumption. Without transit fees. For ordered and PREPARED volumes. The technological component in its pipe will be paid by Dill. It will be more profitable for it to transit through Germany.
  18. Pig
    Pig 25 January 2016 08: 03
    +2
    "" Well, we will wait for the visit of Joe Biden (or perhaps John McCain, a specialist in blocking the "streams") somewhere in Germany, since this is where Nord Stream 2 is "going" ""
    it is unlikely that the Reich will listen to some kind of McCain ... especially now - after the "sanctions" and the invasion of Arabs and Negroes;)
    this person is more for any Bulgarian-Romanian-Georgian-Trypillian "savages" authority ... it is in the limitrophes that puppets write with delight that they are allowed to kiss the handle of a whole "American congressman" ...
    and for Deutschland the figure is too small
  19. GOGY
    GOGY 25 January 2016 08: 11
    12
    After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev would interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream - 2 project, which envisages the construction of two gas pipelines from Russia to Germany.
    Well, nothing else comes to mind when you hear the statements of this clown, the analogy suggests itself
  20. mpzss
    mpzss 25 January 2016 08: 12
    +6
    the 2019 year will come and there we will see what will happen in the world, what will happen to Ukraine (if it still will be) and the most important thing SMAOE will find out is what our government will decide about the transit of gas through an independent one, then it will be possible to reason! In the meantime, this is all the talk and stories of old women!
  21. Leprekon
    Leprekon 25 January 2016 08: 21
    +1
    B ..., soon the liver will fall off, and he still considers himself the first guy in the euro village. Well, you can't stand the "Russian spirit", just turn off the gas to Europe, and suddenly Russian gas flows through the Ukrainian pipe. Not patriotic!
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 25 January 2016 08: 22
    +4
    We poke this pipe where not getting. First to the north, then south, now to China, and we ourselves are heated by wood. They do not want the Nord Stream - let them pay for the transit of dill.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 25 January 2016 08: 42
      +7
      We poke this pipe where not getting. First to the north, then south, now to China, and we ourselves are heated by wood. They do not want the Nord Stream - let them pay for the transit of dill.

      It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 25 January 2016 08: 51
        +8
        Quote: nemec55
        It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???

        From there they pump bucks, and rubles from their population, they will squeeze out a penny without gas ...
      2. Azitral
        Azitral 25 January 2016 10: 05
        -5
        Unfortunately, people in villages do not make machine tools and electronic components. And they are for dollars.
        1. igoza64
          igoza64 27 January 2016 20: 12
          0
          And what, ours is weak to make machines. and electronics
      3. Wheel
        Wheel 25 January 2016 10: 33
        +7
        Quote: Stinger
        and ourselves are heated with wood.

        Quote: nemec55
        . And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???

        As it turned out, the villagers do not want to use the "national property".
        Here, three years ago, we reached a neighboring village, they still reached it, the people were delighted, they connected, those who pulled it financially, they sorted out some sales of the furnace ...
        Hooked up - had fun, counted - wept. Gas heating was 2,5 times more expensive than wood.
        This summer the stove-makers had a golden season - they put stoves in place of the disassembled ones.
        They added a gas boiler house to the school - last February they turned off the gas for non-payment - the school didn’t pay such expenses, they didn’t take apart the wood (the administration helped with firewood) ... this year, since the beginning of the season, they have been drowning with firewood ...
        Not reached us 24 km and glory to god Gazprom!

        So experience suggests that gas in the Russian outback is an inadmissible luxury.
        1. Pulya
          Pulya 25 January 2016 17: 08
          0
          《Wheel》 what tariffs ??? Sound please. And the cost of a cube of firewood !!!!!
          Something I can hardly believe that gas is more expensive than wood. Maybe you yourself chopped wood in the taiga (black), then yes cheaper.

          I turned off gas for my father ... yes expensive, not everyone in the village has that kind of money + boiler, radiators, pipes. But the price tag for gas heating is 3 times cheaper than a stove !!!
          And it’s much more convenient for the old man to press a button and WARM at home than to heat the stove, and then clean it and take out the ashes.
          No need to cause confusion.
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 25 January 2016 19: 51
            +1
            in villages where there are especially timber industry enterprises, firewood is really cheap. Sometimes just for free. Therefore, they are cheaper than gas. In my native village, in the afternoon, people in my midday also pricked up building large capital houses, but they put boilers on wood.
            1. ty60
              ty60 26 January 2016 22: 48
              0
              Effective managers do not understand the difference in regional conditions. They work with medium-ceiling prices. The conditions of a SPECIFIC village are not taken into account. They dictate like Europe. There are very few professionals with lawyers. There are very few professionals. There are specialists in heat engineering and housing and communal services.
            2. igoza64
              igoza64 27 January 2016 20: 18
              0
              You still remember the firewood tractor for half a liter
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 26 January 2016 01: 29
            +1
            Quote: Pulya
            《Wheel》 what tariffs ??? Sound please. And the cost of a cube of firewood !!!!!

            I won’t say anything about gas tariffs - I’m not stupidly interested, but all those connected unanimously say that about 4 tyrov (this is the average house without bells and whistles) run in a month, who have a bigger house, reaches 6.
            The price of firewood we have 4 tyr for a car 5 cubic meters of sawn (plus a thousand if you hire to split).
            On average, about 10 cubic meters (with a bathhouse) are spent per season in an ordinary house.
            In cottages twice as much.
            If you write in the administration, then at the root of 15 cubes (such a norm for a year) are less than a thousand, but you need to independently harvest them in the forest and take them out.
            You can take cuts on the sawmills - about a thousand for 5 cubic meters.
            The heating season lasts for 6,5 - 7 months.
            Komi District, Perm Territory.

            PS And, young man, good manners imply appeal to you.
            I am sure that your father would not like it if someone unfamiliar began to poke him with the first phrase.
      4. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 25 January 2016 10: 59
        -7
        Quote: nemec55
        It’s a shame to already look at our attempts with a pipe, how small the children are to God. And how about providing people with gas in the villages ???


        Don’t worry about the villages. Already long ago - long ago in villages / villages, which, in fact, have turned into holiday villages, use liquefied natural gas and electricity. Even firewood is not needed, since in summer it is not necessary to heat, and in winter no one lives there: there is no one.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 25 January 2016 12: 25
          +7
          Don’t worry about the villages. Already long ago - long ago in villages / villages, which, in fact, have turned into holiday villages, use liquefied natural gas and electricity. Even firewood is not needed, since in summer it is not necessary to heat, and in winter no one lives there: there is no one.
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          fool And what do I write to you pancake from Courchevel ept If your suburban dachas near Moscow are rubled, etc. then our Siberian villages do not see gas for two reasons the first is not the second
          As it turned out, the villagers do not want to use the "national property".
          Here, three years ago, we reached a neighboring village, they still reached it, the people were delighted, they connected, those who pulled it financially, they sorted out some sales of the furnace ...
          Hooked up - had fun, counted - wept. Gas heating was 2,5 times more expensive than wood.
          This summer the stove-makers had a golden season - they put stoves in place of the disassembled ones.
          They added a gas boiler house to the school - last February they turned off the gas for non-payment - the school didn’t pay such expenses, they didn’t take apart the wood (the administration helped with firewood) ... this year, since the beginning of the season, they have been drowning with firewood ...
          Not reached us 24 km and thank God Gazprom!

          So experience suggests that gas in the Russian outback is an inadmissible luxury.
          1. varov14
            varov14 25 January 2016 23: 04
            0
            Nehren gas burn, this is the bread of chemistry.
        2. ty60
          ty60 26 January 2016 22: 53
          0
          You do not understand the city .. Although Rubles are all gasified with budgetary funds ..
  23. valent45
    valent45 25 January 2016 08: 41
    +2
    Now Merkel will be under strong pressure from the Americans. I would say the strongest.
    I am afraid that this frau is weak in some positions.
  24. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 25 January 2016 09: 19
    +3
    If the article is perceived adequately, then nothing good happened in Davos, it was understandable, all the local public perceives Russia as the devil smell of incense! Of course, they can do a lot of nasty things, now everything will depend on how Frau Merkel and Monsieur Hollande behave. "talk" with our "local liberals" for they will pose the greatest threat in the near future.
  25. Senior manager
    Senior manager 25 January 2016 09: 23
    +1
    We’ll shut off some kitchen screams - let them crawl for gas - they will not go anywhere. The state has a set of tasks - to sell gas, - to get rid of Ukrainian blackmail, not to lose confidence in the world, to resist the attacks of the West, and this is not the whole list. And the proposals sound - stupidly pontoon, but I have gas _ and I won’t let you. Kindergarten.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 25 January 2016 15: 07
      +4
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      . And the proposals sound - stupidly pontoon, but I have gas _ and I won’t let you.

      you know, in my opinion we (this is our government) are now just stupidly poking around with this pipe. there were statements, and at the highest level, that Ukraine has not been considered as a transporter of our gas since 19? were. well, period! and it is inappropriate to grind flour from non-existent grain again, like the last statement of the GDP on transit: ... "we will think about the possibility of transit through Ukraine ..." but don't fucking think! died, so died, and there is no need to turn on the return line! It will not be worse, but it is necessary to develop OWN, but this in the foreseeable future from our government is not necessary, well, it is not profitable for them!
    2. varov14
      varov14 25 January 2016 22: 59
      +1
      Any capitalist state always has one task - to protect the pocket of the beneficiary. And this is not necessarily a state.
  26. surrozh
    surrozh 25 January 2016 09: 45
    0
    They arranged a get-together in Davos, took a glass each, and began to decide the fate of Europe and millions - one non-president, the second - the "president" appointed by the non-president. And in 19, Russia shut off the gas valve, and before that, the rest of Europe itself built SP-2.
  27. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 25 January 2016 09: 49
    +2
    Quote: valent45
    I am afraid that this frau is weak in some positions.

    This frau is weak in all positions. Shout, damn it, overseas patron. Bismarck in a coffin turns over every day.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 25 January 2016 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Bismarck in a coffin turns over every day.

      at least three times a day. I thought it myself! lol laughing
  28. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 25 January 2016 09: 50
    0
    It is a pity that the Germans will be warm ...
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 25 January 2016 10: 07
      0
      It is necessary to write "warm".
  29. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 25 January 2016 09: 58
    +1
    Decided: "Nord Stream - 2" - the project is not an economic, but a political one, and its goal is to harm both unfortunate Ukraine and the "significant number" of EU countries.


    Ukraine - an eye for an eye, and about a significant number of EU countries - and to hell with them, they harm us and do not frown.
  30. aviator1913
    aviator1913 25 January 2016 09: 59
    +2
    In fact, the Europeans may well shut off Nord Stream 2 or make it not at all profitable. We also talked about South Stream earlier, but it was closed, then we hoped for Turkish Stream - it was also stalled. So I hope everything will be okay. Without us, at such a time there will be gas sellers, there is no need to rely heavily on your monopoly, the same Iran or Qatar will be transported by gas carriers if necessary, the more the price has dropped, but you need to sell.

    The only problem with these flows is that due to the European bureaucracy and the lack of sound competition in the gas market in Russia, our Nord Streams are always loaded only by 50%, because the second 50% must be given to Gazprom's competitors, and because of the monopoly in Russia for gas transportation is not .. Because of this, it turns out that the infrastructure for Russia is always at least 2 times more expensive.
    1. ty60
      ty60 26 January 2016 22: 58
      0
      But how many gas carriers in the required number of years and who will be able to build? Two Misral to remake, and then a drop in the ocean.
  31. atamankko
    atamankko 25 January 2016 10: 31
    +1
    It’s too early to say what will happen in 2019, but, definitely,
    transit through Ukraine must be ended,
    otherwise these "traitors - Slavs" will not calm down.
    1. Pule
      Pule 25 January 2016 11: 29
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      these "traitors are Slavs"
      Waltzmanns are Slavs ... laughing well, they made laugh. lol
    2. igoza64
      igoza64 27 January 2016 20: 33
      0
      And as you imagine it, you will stand by the fan and redraw it. Or ask the government to fulfill its.
  32. rus-5819
    rus-5819 25 January 2016 10: 48
    0
    After talking with Biden, Mr. Poroshenko said that Washington and Kiev will interfere with the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project.

    They will take Islyamov and go out on a kayak to the North Sea.
    blockade!

    “We clearly emphasized that Nord Stream 2 is a purely political project, which is directed both against Ukraine and against a significant number of EU countries,

    "Nord Stream-2" is not against it, but bypassing the land, the great lands and the Balts!

    Biden and Poroshenko coordinated actions in relation to the ceasefire in the Donbass. In addition, issues of “unhindered access for OSCE representatives to heavy weapons storage facilities and to the border” were discussed.

    But they did not coordinate how to convey this to the fascist sector and other punishers and looters?
  33. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 25 January 2016 10: 49
    +2
    The United States wants to throw its gas stranglehold on European countries.
    But if Russia supplies gas under existing contracts in any political conditions, then the United States will apply sanctions to naughty vassals.
  34. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 25 January 2016 10: 54
    +3
    will give a kick to the negligent IMF delaying the December tranche


    ... will give a kick to the negligent IMF, To the December tranche laughing

    Ukraine only MUST.

    The current company of SP-2 members is not Bulgaria, where McCain presides. Closer to spring, when ukraim will have to buy Russian gas or problems begin in Europe, the situation will become even clearer.

    It is characteristic that the chosen one Merkel has nothing against SP-2, but figures from the European Commission, which nobody chose, and which nobody (except upper partners from the USA) do not represent - have.
  35. exSUman
    exSUman 25 January 2016 10: 54
    0
    I liked the simplicity of J. Biden ... @vp, at least usa added something ?! And it turns out like Gaidai: "King, very nice, just a king ..." laughing
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 January 2016 11: 19
    0
    Comrades! Explain to me, how do they substantiate their requirements? After all, even a frostbitten bully, pestering a passerby on the street, gives out some kind of claim. I'm straight dumb from such arrogance.
  37. Pule
    Pule 25 January 2016 11: 23
    +1
    The Nord Stream is slowly, but deeper and farther, moving to Evopu. And "ordinary German" businessmen will not allow Merkel to throw her money into the Baltic in the name of Biden & Son's interest in Ukraine. hi
    1. igoza64
      igoza64 27 January 2016 20: 40
      0
      Well, this is another question about businessmen, the Mistral also built French businessmen.
  38. misterwulf
    misterwulf 25 January 2016 11: 26
    0
    It's simple: you do not buy our gas and do not pay debts, and we do not use your pipe ...
  39. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 January 2016 11: 26
    +2
    Grandma Merkel will not give up SP-2, the Germans will not forgive her after migrants, so, in vain, this rooster dismissed its feathers. Then he will have a complete bummer.
  40. superpuxa
    superpuxa 25 January 2016 11: 31
    +1
    Why can’t you just make a gas pipeline to Kaliningrad?
  41. tacet
    tacet 25 January 2016 11: 49
    +3
    "Later, in an interview with CNN, Poroshenko said that Ukraine expects to receive $ 24 billion from the IMF." Nevertheless, as of January 2016, XNUMX, there is no information on the IMF website about the decision to allocate the next tranche to Ukraine. True, there is an interview with the Deputy Director of the IMF for Public Relations (very entertaining), it will take a long time to retell it, but I would like to highlight a couple of points from it:
    When asked about the timing of the allocation of the next tranche to Ukraine, this gentleman replied that he did not have this information, he also indicated "Ukraine defaulted on its sovereign debt to the Russian Federation" and the decision on the sovereign debt is a bilateral matter between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
    I catch everything on the fly, I realized this is a hint ...
  42. Horn
    Horn 25 January 2016 11: 56
    0
    And the preservation of the existing gas pipeline just so that Ukraine could have transit money and grounds for blackmail - is this not a political decision? So even in the Nord Stream there is an economy, but here?
  43. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 25 January 2016 12: 19
    +1
    Straight on Gogol! Poroshenko, this is just a composite character of "Dead Souls")) from Chichikov to Manilov (including everyone else). It would be funny if it weren't so sad. (
  44. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 25 January 2016 13: 04
    0
    I agree that the Chancellor will have the last word, or rather from the force of pressure on her from overseas and big German business interested in construction. I would not like to "screw up", but I fear that it will not withstand Frau's overseas pressure. However, time will tell, our people have also learned to convince.
  45. Chaos
    Chaos 25 January 2016 13: 45
    +1
    We bring north-2 to the border. We declare that the gas supply through Ukraine stops. And then, if they want our gas, let them connect, if not, that's all. There was a country without gas export, and now we will live. Enough to humble ourselves before Europe. We need less exports than they need our gas.
    1. varov14
      varov14 25 January 2016 22: 42
      0
      So is it worth it to bury the pipes for nothing. It is not necessary to build this way - start with the consumer i.e. In the West, and ending up with a deposit, then there will be XNUMX% guarantees, and so will the consumer, swindler and charlotte.
  46. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 25 January 2016 15: 00
    0
    I can’t understand one thing - it turns out that Germany and the rest of Europe are not profitable flow Is it easier for us to pay Ukraine for transit, would she blackmail us and cut off supplies to the same Europe, when she pleases? What the ??? Let the Germans better freeze in the winter, the main thing is to hoh..am please !!! Well, go .. you !!!!
  47. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 25 January 2016 17: 34
    +2
    The North Stream is a lesser evil than the "South Stream" in the form of barmaley, which the EU has already received ... And it will receive more, because this is just the beginning!
  48. Apache
    Apache 25 January 2016 17: 50
    -4
    so you have the Mongols gas run out
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 26 January 2016 01: 34
      +1
      Quote: Apache
      so you have the Mongols gas run out

      Oh, Svidomo drew! laughing laughing laughing
      Jump on - keep warm!
    2. ty60
      ty60 26 January 2016 23: 05
      0
      MYSELF handsome! Hybrid psheka and Romanian. Yes and the ancestors of Merkel added genes.
  49. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 25 January 2016 18: 15
    +3
    What does Petino care about third-country contracts? He himself may soon lose the little that he has today. First, no-fly, then no-transit, then just a zone ...
  50. Roman 11
    Roman 11 25 January 2016 18: 19
    +1
    sensing the presence of the omnipotent Mr. Biden The usual "childish" delusion - there are no omnipotent people in this world ...... Today Baydon is on horseback, tomorrow no one will remember him .... the formula of being, yi.