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Russia and the United States on the ISS: the paths diverge

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From the very beginning of the Crimean events, unofficial sanctions against Russia also touched the space industry. For example, the already paid American, and later European, components for Russian spacecraft were not delivered. In the future, everything can take an even more serious turn. The largest joint project, where the paths of the Russian Federation and the United States are likely to diverge soon, will be the International Space Station. This is driven by both political considerations and deeper reasons. For all the years of the ISS, Russia almost did not benefit from participation in the project, with the exception of the loading of industrial capacities in creating numerous modifications of the Unions and Progressions.




The point is not only in the generally deplorable state of Russian science, but also in the fact that in form the international station is in fact purely American property. This applies not only to parts produced directly in the United States. Thus, the Zarya module manufactured in Russia is owned by the United States. The same applies to the Harmony and Tranquility modules built in Italy, Canadian manipulators and much more. But that's not all. So, in the formal Japanese scientific module “Kibo”, the American NASA owns 46,7%, in the European “Columbus” the situation is the same.

In conditions when many key segments are somehow controlled by Americans, it is impossible for Russians to conduct any fundamental or applied (not to mention military) experiments without the knowledge of their sworn "partners." Experts warned about this even in those times when the ISS existed only in the form of sketches. But then it was extremely important for the Americans not only to attract the Russian Federation to the ISS project, but also to force it to liquidate its own Mir station, where the Russian Federation had complete freedom for any activity. Even Hollywood was used for this: we remember the famous phrase of the astronaut from the Armageddon movie about Mir, they say, we don’t even have that much cars - despite the fact that Mira was a little more than 10 years old the age of the ISS is already approaching the top twenty. In 2001, the station was flooded in the Pacific, and Russia threw all its forces to support the ISS.

The Americans, in fact, created an ideal scam with the ISS, forcing many countries to participate financially and technically in the creation of a complex that only they will control. For this reason, China refused to participate in the project.
The ISS, preferring to build its own Tyangun-1 station, in turn, Russia intends to launch another module in the 4 quarter of the 2016 of the year to the International Space Station.

Until now, most of the cargo to the International Space Station was delivered at one time either by the “Shuttles”, which have already gone to museums, or European ATV trucks. The latter carried an orbit to 7500 kg of cargo, but for 2016 the year this project was already closed - Europeans now have no space.

Today, Russian Progress (payload up to 2500kg), American private truck Cygnus (load up to 3500 kg), Dragon SpaceX ship (load 3310kg) and Japanese HTV (load up to 6000 kg) deliver cargo to the International Space Station. As you can see, “Progress” in this family is an honorable long-liver, but a serious change is already occurring on the heels and without political twists. If the Russian apparatus suddenly falls out of the general configuration, then the industrial capacities of the Americans and the Japanese will allow them to repair the breach.

With the delivery of astronauts all the more difficult. At present, there is no alternative to the Russian “Soyuz”, but competitors also do not stand still. SpaceX developed the manned spacecraft Dragon V2, which will make its first flight in December 2016 of the year. In addition, Orion manned spacecraft developed by NASA and CST-2017 Starliner from Boeing will be tested in 2018-100. As a result, by the year 2020, the United States may have three operational versions of a manned spacecraft at once. And if the Dream Chaser project is also implemented, there will be as many as four such ships. After that, the United States will finally stop needing the "Unions" and any cooperation with Russia in general.

As a result, 2019-2020 years is about the time when Americans can stop letting us on the ISS. If someone posing the question itself seems fantastic, then I would like to remind you that the current international situation, some three years ago, would seem to most of us to be an absolutely impossible option for the development of events.

Are we ready for such a radical development of events? More likely no than yes. As an alternative to the International Space Station, the smaller but completely sovereign orbital station, Rus, has long been called. There is also a promising project of a manned ship "Federation", which is planned to be launched by the end of the decade. True, the timing in the domestic space industry is a separate and unpleasant topic. For example, the Angara launch vehicle in the 1995 year was promised to be brought to the 2000 year, and as a result, the first launch took place only at the end of the 2014 year. Approximately the same in duration история, but also with an unsightly finale, happened to the Phobos-Grunt automatic station. Own orbital station is much more difficult to perform than any of these single programs.

Whether Russia will be able to realize such an ambitious project in an economic downturn is a big question. It is clear that this will require other people in leadership positions, a different attitude, a different spirit and strategy. The strategy is not separate for space, but for the country as a whole, where space is only part of a big national idea.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 January 2016 06: 49 New
    +1
    As a result, 2019-2020 is about the time when the Americans can stop letting us on the ISS.


    And they themselves will not fall on it, despite their titanic efforts to manufacture a carrier rocket. Yes, and to us. You can leave the ISS and slam the door loudly. A lot of options!
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 22 January 2016 08: 57 New
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      the main word "other people" we now need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere, because these people brought the country to a dead end and all this was absolutely predictable, to change these people who have inflated ratings and the country and space will go forward ...
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 22 January 2016 10: 14 New
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        Quote: Sveles
        we now need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere

        More important is understanding WHAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDED? And then WHERE to get them?
        Without solving these issues, others-others-others come, and the result ...
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 22 January 2016 11: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: Petrix
          Quote: Sveles
          we now need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere

          More important is understanding WHAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDED? And then WHERE to get them?
          Without solving these issues, others-others-others come, and the result ...


          those that have to shoot, and put the Russian -whose conscience is in place and things will go ...
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 22 January 2016 11: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: Sveles
        the main word is "other people"


        Yes, "there is great sorrow for Korolev."
        It is necessary to seek and move from the young and ambitious. Smart Russia has not become impoverished.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 22 January 2016 15: 21 New
          +5
          .... We must seek and move from the young and ambitious. Smart Russia is not impoverished .....

          .... This is the problem ... lol ..... Especially with the young ..... Training in the USE makes itself felt .... I know not by hearsay, but in practice .... In one respected organization, they can’t find a specialist with engineering for 2 months now education for a very decent salary, because there, in addition to the diploma, you need to have more brains .... And with that, well, a full finish ..... Especially for young people .... It's sad all this ... request
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 24 January 2016 08: 42 New
            0
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            Education on the exam makes itself felt.

            Unified State Exam is an exam, what does "Unified State Exam" mean - learning from an exam? laughing
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 22 January 2016 12: 35 New
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        Quote: Sveles
        the main word is "other people" now we need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere

        Rather, we need another state, sharpened on the creation and development, in other words, a people's state, but not the pump that we now have.
        In the current environment, what kind of orbital programs can be discussed if our leaders destroyed our sovereign orbital program by drowning the World and succumbing to promises of short-term profit in the form of servicing their ISS trucks.
        Moreover, the mattresses were given the unique experience of operating orbital stations.
        And now we remain at the level of 25 years ago, using in astronautics only backlogs left over from the USSR.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 22 January 2016 20: 16 New
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          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          unique experience in operating orbital stations was transferred.

          The experience is Russian, but it is only Russian and is given! Could anyone have foreseen that in the open SPACE the Russian cosmonaut will nest in a stash a piece of wire? A FOUND!
      4. edeligor
        edeligor 22 January 2016 15: 49 New
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        Quote: Sveles
        who have pout ratings

        Bravo! 100% support! Their time has passed.
        Quote: Sveles
        More important is understanding WHAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDED? And then WHERE to get them?

        In Russia, my friend, in Russia. The problem is not in people, but in leadership. We have enough patriots and smart people, only they are not allowed to breathe, they survive to the West.

        Push. The whole problem is in the present tense for Russia, in all areas, the problem of distribution (excuse me!) Our money, like a makhorka fool, only moves the West and is in the West, because all our money belongs to 0,5% of the population! And the Kremlin is on guard for this "fair" distribution. And as long as it is given, we will not see any new Korolevs, or new Unions, or Burans! It is not necessary for them, not for the Kremlin roof and all their promises are from the evil one!
        Respectfully to all ...
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 22 January 2016 15: 59 New
          -5
          Quote: edeligor
          Quote: Sveles
          More important is understanding WHAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDED? And then WHERE to get them?


          these are not my words ...

          Quote: edeligor
          In Russia, my friend, in Russia. The problem is not in people, but in leadership. We have enough patriots and smart people, only they are not allowed to breathe, they survive to the West.


          Well, yes, Russians survive, but Putin invites Jews from the West, have not you heard?
          http://politikus.ru/events/67938-putin-priglasil-evropeyskih-evreev-v-rossiyu.ht
          ml
          this is his state policy, few thieves and loafers now need more thieves and loafers on the masters ...
          1. edeligor
            edeligor 22 January 2016 16: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Sveles
            these are not my words ...

            The program is strange.
            Quote: Sveles
            Putin from the West invites Jews

            I have nothing against it if they think in Russian and love Russia. If you steal the incomplete, then NAH ... P! Its full of!
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 22 January 2016 20: 25 New
          0
          Quote: edeligor
          . And as long as this is given, we will not see either the new Korolevs, the new Unions, or the Burans!

          Instead of "Buranov" Buranovskie grandmothers, but Thank God it has passed, and their ENGINEERS have returned to their circles, who can twist to the glory of Russia what I myself do not know!
          1. edeligor
            edeligor 22 January 2016 20: 59 New
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            Quote: Tol100v
            Thank God this passed, and their engineers returned to their circles

            Do you believe that? Perhaps I do not have the fullness of the picture, but for any, thanks for your optimism.
      5. tol100v
        tol100v 22 January 2016 20: 08 New
        +2
        With about all your pluses I didn’t hear more verbal abracadabra. What are you speaking about?
      6. Pancho
        Pancho 22 January 2016 22: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Sveles
        we now need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere

        Golden words, Putin’s ears in their ears.
      7. baku1999
        baku1999 23 January 2016 00: 06 New
        -1
        what, OTHER, (such as the bulk German) dear, whose will you ??????????????
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 22 January 2016 11: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      And they themselves will not fall on her
      - You probably do not know about Dragon?
    3. TiRex
      TiRex 22 January 2016 16: 16 New
      +1
      no one will slam the door on the ISS, and our management will not do this.
      1. jjj
        jjj 22 January 2016 17: 31 New
        +1
        Meanwhile, the carbon dioxide removal system on the American segment of the station failed ...
  2. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 22 January 2016 06: 52 New
    -11
    Something I do not believe this author. But what about the words of Rogozin about the trampoline?
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 22 January 2016 09: 34 New
      +9
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      But what about Rogozin's words about the trampoline?

      Well, he said a lot of things ... For example:
      Honestly, Westerners behave inappropriately. Their sanctions are like a shot in the foot.

      ... and shot himself in the foot ...
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 22 January 2016 15: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        ... and shot himself in the foot ...

        He tasted the feelings of Westerners.
    2. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 22 January 2016 09: 51 New
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      # everything is a bit wrong (c) :)

      We don’t go far, watch Wikipedia:

      The Russian modules Zvezda, Pirs, Poisk and Rassvet are manufactured and owned by Russia, which retains the right to use them. The planned Nauka module will also be manufactured in Russia and will be included in the Russian segment of the station. Zarya "was built and delivered to orbit by the Russian side, but this was done at the expense of the United States, therefore, the owner of this module is officially currently NASA. To use the Russian modules and other components of the station, the partner countries use additional bilateral agreements (the aforementioned third and fourth legal levels) ".

      The problem is not what the author writes about, but the utility of the ISS for the Russian Federation: for Russia, most of the work is a completed stage, we need to go further. But while the Americans pay for the starts and give jobs to thousands of Russians, and the crisis, the database in Syria and the fall in prices does not allow developing new projects, why not?
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 22 January 2016 20: 33 New
        0
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        does not allow to develop new projects, why not?

        Maybe microbes wound up? Means to heat it! The WORLD was also microbial!
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 22 January 2016 22: 51 New
        +4
        For all the years of the ISS existence, Russia almost did not benefit for itself from participating in the project, with the exception of the loading of industrial capacities when creating numerous modifications of the Soyuz and Progress.


        I would like to say that "the loading of industrial capacities during the creation of numerous modifications of Soyuz and Progress" made it possible to preserve the space industry in a very difficult time for us, I do not know where the benefit is more important. And at the expense of usefulness, I completely agree with vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm UA Today, 09:51

        The problem is not what the author writes about, but the utility of the ISS for the Russian Federation: for Russia, most of the work is a completed stage, we need to go further. But while the Americans pay for the starts and give jobs to thousands of Russians, and the crisis, the database in Syria and the fall in prices does not allow developing new projects, why not?

        Since then. hi
      3. bve56
        bve56 27 January 2016 06: 39 New
        +1
        the thing is different - you need your own station! This is normal given the current atmosphere. It is no accident that the Americans are building up a ton of funds for the development of manned ships! While they do not know how to Russia and pay $ 60 million for each (delivery).

        ps now they often say that in vain the "world" was flooded .... now it is clear where the "legs grew" from. Everything is as usual and in their smelly spirit. We can do as the Americans do with the Mir station, BUT we cannot be like them. Along the way, the Amrekans were in vain allowed to "peace"! In general, one should always be aware of their "approaches", be very careful in the future. They even have the same vile policy, but not everyone knows it. If they steal technology even from Germany with their wiretapping with vile methods, this says a lot.

        Serge Babkov
  3. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 22 January 2016 06: 56 New
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    Igor, you state the facts, all this is already known. You better write, if you have information, why then it was decided to support the Americans, and not build your own or joint station with the Chinese? Was it about the money? Or then those against whom Ramzan Kadyrov spoke out well worked against Russia. Or then, at the time of the decision to participate in the ISS, they decided not to be behind at all because of the collapse of the USSR, at least to participate in something even to the detriment of oneself.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 22 January 2016 07: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Or then, at the time of the decision to participate in the ISS, they decided not to be behind at all because of the collapse of the USSR, at least to participate in something even to the detriment of oneself.

      it was all one big giant drain of soviet developments to the Americans
      The Americans are repeating the long-term annual expedition there with fanfare as if it was something unique and the USSR did not fly to the DOS for 1,5 years

      “China didn’t want to” is a lie, the Americans didn’t let it in. Now you can sell your share to him, and let him take them there. laughing They will be glad to such a neighbor laughing
      China will find there what to do unclassified and rewrite the contract.
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 22 January 2016 09: 48 New
      -4
      Quote: Tatar 174
      why then it was decided to support the Americans, and not build their own or joint station with the Chinese?

      Duc to build a rather expensive pleasure, the times were not the best. A station the size of the ISS, Russia simply would not have pulled, the World compared to the ISS is a baby. Well, the Chinese in the 90s didn’t really dream about space, the first manned flight only in 2003, what kind of orbital stations are there?
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 22 January 2016 15: 27 New
        +2
        ..... World compared to the ISS is a baby. ....

        ..... You would still remember "Skylab" .. laughing ... There are dimensions - wow !!!! (alteration from the 3 stage of "Saturn") ..... It was useless .... Without engines, it collapsed into the ocean .... But the Americans were noted (the station was launched !!!!) .... Not everything is in size is, and the "Mir" was not very small, as far as I remember it allowed to increase the number of modules up to 6 pieces ... hi
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 22 January 2016 20: 47 New
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          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ... Not everything is in size

          Yes, and "Salyut" was ... Everything must be done in due time ... And sometimes we ran ahead of the locomotive. It's a shame. But it is so.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 January 2016 08: 50 New
          0
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          .Without engines in the ocean collapsed ....

          On July 11, 1979, the only U.S. SkyLab space station fell from orbit and fell near the city of Perth in Australia. Inadequate funding has led the United States to refuse to support the station in orbit. The Skylab did not have its own engines, so the adjustment of its position in orbit was carried out by the Apollo docking spacecraft.
    3. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 22 January 2016 10: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Tatar 174
      why then it was decided to support the Americans, and not build their own or joint station with the Chinese? Was it about the money? Or then those against whom Ramzan Kadyrov spoke out well worked against Russia.

      In those years when the decision was made, including the one you mentioned, Ramzan Kadyrov with his fellow tribesmen, contributed a lot to the fact that for money and help for the construction of the station I had to turn to staff members and Europeans ...
      So both those and others worked, IMHO ...
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 22 January 2016 18: 18 New
        0
        NASA turned for help, in the module "Dawn / Zarya", built and launched for them, there are systems responsible for the long-term stay in space of their segment, they themselves could not do all this.
        The Russian segment was ready even under the USSR, it was called MIR-2, it only had to be launched, and in it all these systems are of course their own.
  4. Signaller
    Signaller 22 January 2016 06: 56 New
    -6
    Here is a question to fill in "And what are they doing there, on the ISS ????" - I read the answer in the comments of experts in the field of astronautics - SURVIVE. They really exploit this monster, which constantly breaks down. Everything that is done on it can be done with the help of automatic, without crew stations. Not so expensive and risky. No, well, as our great Lenin said. - "We'll go the other way." Here we go. Where it is not clear, but we go. Soon there will be nothing left, but we are going, stubbornly Going nowhere. Personal opinion, I do not insist.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 22 January 2016 07: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Signaller
      They are really exploiting this monster, which is constantly breaking. Everything that is done on it can be done using automatic, without crew stations

      And how to repair it without the participation of the crew, he quickly wraps his head on someone
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 January 2016 07: 05 New
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    Everything is somehow sad for the author, I would like to listen to the opinion of experts from the space industry. We and the army, about 3-4 years old were not good, and still they shouted everything was gone, the patient is removed from the cast.
    Well, about the 90s and the destruction of the WORLD, we must start to look at it, from the 80s, when Mishka came, and began to destroy the whole industry from the age of 85. Hence all the subsequent problems of the early 90s. For 10 years, everything that has been destroyed has collapsed.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 23 January 2016 02: 15 New
      0
      The bear did not destroy our industry, it was during it that production accelerated, it was during it that the current aircraft complexes were produced (yes, the same Tu-160s with X-55 (555)).
  6. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 22 January 2016 07: 11 New
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    It was not so simple with the World either, it began to break almost daily, it burns something, it sparks. I watched the interview of the last astronaut on the World, said that he slept for 3 hours for 4 hours, the rest of the time he flew with screwdrivers, asses to American, colleagues, saved. Why the hell is such happiness, people need to be protected.
    ps I think we need to throw all the resources into scientific activity, we need an engine that will allow us to take off from the earth with a load of at least 30 tons. From this it would be super, it would be possible to drag an asteroid into orbit)) there’s more gold and there are many other tastes repeat
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 22 January 2016 10: 27 New
      +5
      An interesting question is: how does the aging of mechanisms occur in space? What is the most significant factor? Temperature difference, corrosion, dust, radiation, mechanical friction, bacteria, ...?
      Based on this, you can clarify the approximate life of an individual module or station with modern technology. Is it 1 year old, 10 years old or 50 years old?
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 22 January 2016 14: 08 New
        0
        Yes, I remember there was a publication, when Mir was still flying, that bacteria had eaten (eaten!) The windows of the windows to a critical thickness.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 22 January 2016 15: 31 New
          +2
          ..... Yes, I remember the publication was when Mir was still flying, that bacteria ate (ate!) The windows of the windows to a critical thickness ...

          .... Then they wrote a lot of things to justify its "write-off" .... As far as I remember, "Salyut," some sort of "" flew for more than 10 years and nothing, the "mice" did not eat the glass ... lol
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 22 January 2016 15: 55 New
            0
            No, the article was serious. In our inhabited spacecraft, a temperature of 15 degrees was maintained due to the fact that at a higher all sorts of microbes vigorously multiply, but it is impossible to ventilate :). And the humidity is low. Under such conditions, new forms of life appeared, and these bacteria were brought as an example, which began to eat glass.
          2. glasha3032
            glasha3032 23 January 2016 02: 22 New
            +1
            Then remember the mass failures in electronics in the last years of the station's existence. On-board computers were repaired constantly, orientation systems regularly failed, etc.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 22 January 2016 21: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Yozhkin Cat
      It was not so simple with the World either

      Yes, there were microbes and malfunctions, BUT he FLY (walked), and the bastards did not like him. So what? drowned and started "creating"? They still cannot recreate their "cool" engine for flying to the "supposedly" Moon, and all their projects have recently come to the point: "well ... p.a"
  7. akv0571
    akv0571 22 January 2016 07: 53 New
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    As long as "effective managers" are in charge of Roscosm, the lag and degradation will continue.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 January 2016 11: 17 New
      -12
      Until private space appears in Russia, things will not get off the ground.
    2. karbofos
      karbofos 22 January 2016 15: 16 New
      +4
      something like this. p. indos have grabbed our cosmos
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 January 2016 09: 02 New
      0
      Quote: akv0571
      As long as "effective managers" are in charge of Roscosm, the lag and degradation will continue.

      Why are large private commercial organizations in Russia no more efficient than state-owned companies? And even the Russian branches of international corporations (in the USA and Europe working according to generally accepted corporate standards) in our country for some reason will inevitably wallow in the bureaucracy and try to comply with the gangster concepts established by corrupt officials and security forces? Where did all these “effective managers” come from, imitating Western managers in much the same way as lousy barbarians tried to dress up in Roman togas on the ruins of the captured Forum? request
  8. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 January 2016 08: 00 New
    +6
    Whoever pays the money is the one who orders the music. It's a shame for space, we are not even the second. Roskosmos is plundering a lot of money, there are no punished. The only thing that cost the so-called MARS-FOBOS mission (5 billion) ended on the ocean floor. Infinite carrier accidents, endless proceedings , and the complete absence of those responsible.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 22 January 2016 08: 02 New
    +5
    I disagree with the author of this material, if only because the Americans don’t need another competitor in space or an uncontrollable source of technology for countries with financial resources, and if Russia transfers technology to China (which other countries beyond its control) or creates a joint project with him.
    The Americans, under far-fetched pretexts, will milk Russia to the last, the pack themselves will not become leaders in all respects, but for now we can compete with this!
  10. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 January 2016 08: 12 New
    +1
    The point is not only in the general deplorable state of Russian science, but also in the fact that in form the international station is purely American property
    And why the heck was our "World" drowned? Whose particular initiative will one day become known?
    1. alex86
      alex86 22 January 2016 19: 25 New
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      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Whose Initiative Is Concrete
      - Was supported and approved by Putin - are there any more questions?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 January 2016 09: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And why the heck was our "World" drowned?

      Originally designed for a 5-year life, the station was in space for 15 years and until 2001 was the only "space house" that allows you to stay and work in orbit for a long time. Since the late 1990s, the station began to have serious problems with equipment, which began to fail in large quantities. Abnormal situations occurred from time to time, there were several fires associated with defects in oxygen drafts. A serious incident occurred on June 25, 1997, when the Progress cargo ship rammed the Mir station, severely damaging the Spectrum science module: the newest station module was disabled and depressurized. At that time, "Spectrum" supplied the bulk of the energy to the station, so interruptions in electricity began. It was possible to completely restore the power supply to Mir station only by August 1997. Nevertheless, the accident left many other problems at the station: malfunctions began to occur in the stabilizing gyroscopes, unbalanced by shock, the central computer and the station's cooling system. Refused radio communication, refused gyrodines, periodically refused coolants. During the last mission, held until 1999, the main efforts of the crew were simply aimed at supporting the work of the station.
      A hundred times already explained how much more to repeat the same thing? request
  11. lilian
    lilian 22 January 2016 08: 36 New
    +6
    The fact that on the World and the ISS is constantly being repaired / repaired is already a useful activity. This is the accumulation of experience, the acquisition of skills for solving problems, this is what one will have to face during space exploration.

    I don’t understand those who say that man in space has nothing to do, that automatic machines need to be worked. Do you really want humanity to be stuck on Earth for ages? Maybe Gagarin should not have flown in the East? They would study space automatically.

    And with the Russian cosmos it’s really sad, how unpleasant it sounded for someone. I tried, I was looking for at least something good in the results of the activities of the Russian cosmos, I did not find something to rejoice about.

    Russia has only the good old Union, the Americans are already experiencing Orion. SpaceX and Boeing will join their Orion this year and next. The only ship that is being developed in Russia to replace the Union is the Federation. It will be launched in 2021, unless, of course, once again the deadline is postponed by a couple of years or the project is not canceled again.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 22 January 2016 08: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: lilian
      Russia has only the good old Union, the Americans are already experiencing Orion.

      Gentlemen, let's not forget that in Russia, everything and everything is secret, if they don’t talk about something, and personally we don’t hear, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. We and Caliber were, maaaaaalealeenkie, and non-small aircraft, army armored. And how surprised the partners as well. Already feel pride.
      Well, for those who want to know everything, one must ask questions to whom in the GRU, to whom in the FSB, and to whom and to the Welders. They know everything.)))))
      1. Forest
        Forest 22 January 2016 10: 15 New
        +5
        The spacecraft project is superior in complexity to an aircraft carrier with ACS. If the Kyrgyz Republic can be quietly modernized and developed, since our defense is powerful, then this cannot be done with a spaceship. Always who understood, said that our aircraft are excellent and the army was updated with 2009-2010 constantly. Who is following the new iPhones - yes, it all happened suddenly.
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 22 January 2016 10: 34 New
        -2
        Gentlemen minus producers, well, argue your minuses)))) Or is it true that pricks someone? Probably did not get through to the above organizations? laughing
      3. Pajamas
        Pajamas 22 January 2016 17: 56 New
        +6
        Quote: Sirocco
        Quote: lilian
        Russia has only the good old Union, the Americans are already experiencing Orion.

        Gentlemen, let's not forget that in Russia, everything and everything is secret, if they don’t talk about something, and personally we don’t hear, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. We and Caliber were, maaaaaalealeenkie, and non-small aircraft, army armored. And how surprised the partners as well. Already feel pride.
        Well, for those who want to know everything, one must ask questions to whom in the GRU, to whom in the FSB, and to whom and to the Welders. They know everything.)))))


        Well, of course, everything is a secret, we have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them ... we won’t even say that we lost a very cool and necessary satellite. (but of course there are secret laboratories under the ice of the Arctic, there are our flying saucers with lasers and phasers, a time machine and gravitaps)
        The loss of satellites has already become a tradition ,,, what can I say full PE

        "Recall that after the launch of Soyuz together with two military spacecraft (one of them was Kanopus-ST) from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, the Ministry of Defense said, that the satellites were put into the calculated orbit in the normal mode, their airborne systems are functioning normally, and both of the spacecraft have been taken into control by ground-based aerospace forces. However, after a day it became clear that this information is not true. On December 8, 2015, the device left its orbit and burned out in dense atmospheric layers over the Atlantic.

        According to Kommersant's information, the military will not order the new Canopus-ST: the lost device has been developed for ten years, and they are not going to wait even half of this period in the Ministry of Defense. Although its potential characteristics (it was assumed that the satellite would be able to detect enemy submarines when submerged) opened up great opportunities for intelligence.

        About "Kanopus-ST"
        Vladimir Boldyrev said bluntly: "The Kanopus-ST target module has been developed, which, after being placed in near-earth orbit, will be able to remotely probe the ocean, illuminate the surface and underwater situation and detect submarines in a submerged state" (quoted by RIA Novosti).
        Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2871516

        There are no words, this is not even a mess.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 22 January 2016 18: 53 New
          -6
          Well, Vanya, the Chef is all gone, the client is removed from the cast. Everything is clear with you. Keep tearing the hair on your head further and hammer into a corner so that no one sees your tantrum.
          Your logic is strange, you don’t see all the good, but all the negativity is rushing.
          And the mess that we got from the 80s of the 90s, we must begin to remove from ourselves.
          hi
          1. Pajamas
            Pajamas 22 January 2016 21: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Sirocco
            Well, Vanya, the Chef is all gone, the client is removed from the cast. Everything is clear with you. Keep tearing the hair on your head further and hammer into a corner so that no one sees your tantrum.
            Your logic is strange, you don’t see all the good, but all the negativity is rushing.
            And the mess that we got from the 80s of the 90s, we must begin to remove from ourselves.
            hi


            Vova, I don’t graze sheep with you, let's do without "Well"


            Quote: Sirocco
            Keep tearing the hair on your head further and hammer into a corner so that no one sees your tantrum.

            Here you have "turned" bully
            There are clearly problems in the Space industry and they are not small, not to notice this ..., I don't even know, probably some kind of limitation, you can continue to believe that everything is fine "beautiful marquise" and a "death star" is being secretly developed, the only I will advise you to watch less TV, take more walks - ventilate your brain apparatus, read. In open sources, you can find a lot, if you wish, including about the state of the military-industrial complex, about the quality of the machine park, the qualifications of personnel at the moment, the conclusions of the GSE.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 23 January 2016 06: 57 New
              -3
              Quote: Pajama
              Here you have "turned"

              Quote: Pajama
              and the "death star" is secretly developed,

              Quote: Pajama
              there are our flying saucers with lasers and phasers, a time machine and gravitaps)

              Well, what do you say with which I graze pigs laughing You’ve probably forgotten, drive your brains. laughing
              I will answer you with your words, read carefully.)))
              Quote: Pajama
              I’ll only advise you to watch less TV, walk more - ventilate your brain apparatus, read.

              By the way, I, too, like you love the Fantastic style,)))) but you went too far Vanya’s stick, trying to throw Pajamas from my shoulders to my head. You would drive Vanya to France, and there you would powder your brains if you went to a place where not everything is so badly liberal. laughing Adios amigos hi
        2. glasha3032
          glasha3032 23 January 2016 02: 32 New
          0
          Development and production are different types of activities. They always develop for a long time (Canopus-10 years old!), But they do it quickly - there are drawings, the process has been worked out - only skillful hands are needed - take it and neck! .
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 12: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: lilian
      Russia is being developed to replace the Union - this is "Federation". It will be launched in 2021

      The Federation is 4-seater, it has not gone far from the Union and is not at all a competitor to the 6-seater Orion and Dragon.
      1. Fat
        Fat 22 January 2016 19: 30 New
        +1
        Nope, for low orbits the new "layba" PPTS has six seats, and even a bathroom is provided. Full-scale models have already been exhibited.
  12. surrozh
    surrozh 22 January 2016 08: 38 New
    +4
    That is precisely "other people in leadership positions, a different attitude to business, a different spirit and strategy." In an interview, one of the missile developers complained that the customers do not quite understand what exactly they need and for what tasks. It is possible to put 5, 10, 15 and even more tons of cargo into orbit, but it was here that the customers began to wag, it is expensive to create heavy missile classes, there are no targets for such cargo, it is still possible to fly on old ones - and inexpensively, that was all the talk ended.
  13. uskrabut
    uskrabut 22 January 2016 08: 41 New
    +5
    "this will require different people in leadership positions, a different attitude, a different spirit and strategy"
    Cadres decide everything - no one has yet been able to refute this principle. The current state of the country is proof of this.
  14. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 22 January 2016 08: 53 New
    +5
    "Today, cargoes to the International Space Station are delivered by Russian Progress (payload up to 2500 kg), American private truck Cygnus (load up to 3500 kg), Dragon SpaceX spacecraft (load 3310 kg) and Japanese HTV (load up to 6000 kg)." - a key and indicative paragraph in this post about the current state of affairs in our Roscosmos ..., and if you "swim" virtually inside the ISS itself (http://www.cosmos-online.ru/vnutri-mks.html), then the difference in the saturation and design of the internal interiors of Russian and "other" modules and compartments is already beginning to hurt my eyes ..., swim and see a lot of interesting things in terms of the temporal difference of the technologies used. Popovkin's case still lives on and wins, our COSMOS definitely needs its own SHOIGU.
    1. aba
      aba 22 January 2016 22: 25 New
      +1
      "to swim" virtually inside the ISS itself (http://www.cosmos-online.ru/vnutri-mks.html), then the difference in the saturation and design of the internal interiors of the Russian and "other" modules and compartments is already starting to hurt my eyes. ...

      Close the Russian sector, wasn’t it always like that?
      And for the link a bold "+"! wink
  15. Belousov
    Belousov 22 January 2016 08: 55 New
    +7
    It is clear that the decision to destroy the Mir station was made in the same way as the decision to destroy the BZHRK, as well as the destruction of the Tu-160 in Ukraine and many other “decisions”. It is also clear that you need to develop your own space station, and not adapt to "partners". However, it is somehow difficult to develop against the background of multi-billion dollar thefts on Vostochny. It is even more difficult to develop when no one is responsible for it.
  16. Fat
    Fat 22 January 2016 09: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
    It was not so simple with the World either, it began to break almost daily, it burns something, it sparks. I watched the interview of the last astronaut on the World, said that he slept for 3 hours for 4 hours, the rest of the time he flew with screwdrivers, asses to American, colleagues, saved. Why the hell is such happiness, people need to be protected.
    ps I think we need to throw all the resources into scientific activity, we need an engine that will allow us to take off from the earth with a load of at least 30 tons. From this it would be super, it would be possible to drag an asteroid into orbit)) there’s more gold and there are many other tastes repeat

    I remember that it was discussed in the media that the cosmonauts crippled Mir, "slightly unsuccessfully" docked, so that the orbital repair did not justify itself. You don't need at least 30 tons. 80-120 for the first time would be fine. laughing otherwise, "why break the chairs." And a new station - somewhere at the Lagrange point.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 12: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Thick
      And the new station - somewhere at the Lagrange point.

      The most pressing question for today: what else can be done at the station?
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Thick
      And the new station - somewhere at the Lagrange point.

      Langrange point above radiation belts. How will ensure the health of astronauts.
  17. qwert
    qwert 22 January 2016 09: 52 New
    +4
    “Whether Russia will be able to implement such an ambitious project amid the economic downturn is a big question. It is clear that this will require other people in leadership positions, a different attitude, a different spirit and strategy. The strategy is not separate for space, but for the country as a whole, where space is only part of a big national idea. "
    Right words. The only question is not "can", but "will want". And then the author himself correctly answers "It is clear that this will require other people in leadership positions." That's just worth adding "in the most-most leadership positions." It is there that people are needed for whom, in addition to the concept of "profitable or not profitable", there will be others from a series of those who once were in the Soviet Union
  18. satris
    satris 22 January 2016 10: 00 New
    -2
    "Zarya module is the property of the USA"

    How old is he? We will redeem at the residual value, taking into account space depreciation. A couple of dollars, I think, is enough.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 12: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: satris
      How old is he? We will redeem at the residual value, taking into account space depreciation. A couple of dollars, I think, is enough.

      The Science module is actually the same base unit as the Dawn, a redone a bit. While it is on Earth, it can be redone back. And the second one under the contract with Boeing, we made Zarya in due time and are obliged to service it for 24 years. So you can’t just fade from the station.
  19. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 January 2016 10: 22 New
    +6
    For all the years of the ISS, Russia has hardly benefited from participating in the project.


    Effective managers and other managers of financial flows are to blame here. The Science module, which is no worse than the American Destiny, has not yet been launched, although the ISS's service life is already coming to an end. The NEP energy modules have not even been built until now, and the Americans provide electricity (within the framework of internal barter). What other science?

    The “world” at that time was a little over 10 years old, and the age of the ISS is now approaching twenty. In 2001, the station was flooded in the Pacific Ocean, and Russia threw all its forces into maintaining the ISS.


    The Yeltsinoids did not have political will. Amertsy was allowed onboard the Mir and they got experience of long flights at large orbital stations. Russia could not financially pull two stations at the same time, but this did not exclude the setting of such a condition that the Americans give money. Obviously, no one set such a condition. At the same time, at the time of the sinking, the Mir had absolutely new modules (since the construction was delayed). There were options for their rescue and redocking to the ISS. It was necessary to press hard on amers - they needed the ISS more than we; we had "Mir".

    Russia, in turn, intends to launch another module to the International Space Station in the 4th quarter of 2016.


    I do not really believe it. By the way Soviet the case of this module by the time of launch will be over 30 years old.

    European ATV trucks. The latter carried up to 7500 kg of cargo into orbit, but for 2016 this project has already been closed - now Europeans are not up to space.


    The Europeans, on the basis of this ship, created a propulsion module for the American "Orion"; so whether the project is closed is still a matter of opinion.

    If the Russian apparatus suddenly falls out of the general configuration, then the industrial capacities of the Americans and Japanese will make it possible to compensate for the gap


    Only Russian "Soyuz" and "Progress" aircraft can dock to Russian docking hubs, as well as ATV (since the docking hub on it was Russian). Dragons, Signus and Japanese HTVs can only dock by grabbing them with a manipulator. There is no automatic docking. They fly as long as there is a crew on the ISS.

    SpaceX has developed the Dragon V2 manned spacecraft, which will make its first flight in December 2016. In addition, in 2017-2018, Orion manned spacecraft from NASA and the CST-100 Starliner from Boeing will be tested


    Dates will not be met. Orion is not planned to be allowed to the ISS at all. By the way - we'll see; especially that Musk has been there.
    1. aba
      aba 22 January 2016 22: 31 New
      0
      It was necessary to press hard on amers - they needed the ISS more than we did; we had "Mir".

      And who could Russia cruelly put pressure on in those days?
      And did anyone have a will for this?
      Was the elite interesting in those days besides selfish?
  20. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 January 2016 10: 22 New
    +3
    As a result, 2019-2020 is about the time when Americans can stop letting us on the ISS


    This is a conspiracy speculation. By the way, the ISS orbit correction (its systematic ascent) is performed by Progress. There is no one else yet.

    There is also a promising project for the Federation manned spacecraft, which they plan to launch by the end of the decade.


    To me personally, the "Clipper" version seems more real, that is, it will not fly, but will travel around MAKS in the form of a model, symbolizing the symbolic virtual power of Russia. It will be so until the theft ceases.
  21. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 22 January 2016 10: 38 New
    +3
    And I don't like the name "Federation". Too American ... Like "federal", "municipal" ...

    I'm closer to something like: "Dawn", "Dawn" ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 January 2016 11: 28 New
      +3
      We have covered the project of a super-heavy rocket, flights to the moon, the Rus rocket, the Clipper manned spacecraft, the air launch, the project of the recoverable first rocket stage, it is also unclear what with the NRM. It is not a fact that the project of the methane rocket engine and the Federation ship will be completed.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 22 January 2016 13: 06 New
        0
        I can add that there is no longer a methane engine in the FKP. But there is a super-heavy rocket. She is disguised as Project Phoenix. For today Phoenix is ​​no longer a Soyuz-5, but an "anti-aircraft" dimension medium carrier on the RD-170 engine, the first stage of which in the future should serve as a lateral super-heavy booster. From this it is clearly seen that a course has been taken for the revival of something like Energy. Up to 24 years a side accelerator, up to 30 years a central hydrogen unit. True, the production of the RD-0120 hydrogen engine will have to be resumed anew, technologies and personnel have been lost, some drawings remain.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 January 2016 14: 30 New
          +1
          Methane is cheaper than hydrogen, all the design documentation and assembly drawings have remained, the technologies have not been lost - they are simply outdated.
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 13: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: The Cat
      I'm closer to something like: "Dawn", "Dawn" ...

      I have exactly the same opinion. At the time, Korolev was going to make only two launches, one-turn Vostok (note not Vostok-1) and a three-day North (so Titov's ship should have been called). But after Gagarin’s flight, there was international hype, Khrushchev decided to take advantage of this and demanded to launch it as often as possible (the third, fourth and subsequent launches had little to add). The question arose what to call the third ship: well, not the West? And so the second ship became Vostok-2 and so on. Dawn it was a preliminary design of a multi-seat ship, which was not completed due to fever with Buran. Therefore, (on another forum) I already offered a line of names for multi-seat ships: North, Dawn, Aurora, Dawn.
    3. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 23 January 2016 05: 10 New
      0
      Rebirth! Will do!
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  22. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 22 January 2016 10: 58 New
    +3
    Space is a matter of technology. But the decision is made by political power, which has still not got rid of external governance. Political will is needed for the development of technology. And there will be talented people in Russia, if the education system is properly organized, which continues to be destroyed. In a word, we need a national leader at the head of state.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 January 2016 14: 35 New
      -2
      Russia needs private space - it needs competition between private and public companies - in the USA such competition has begun to bear fruit. And knowledge comes with experience.
  23. Jack-b
    Jack-b 22 January 2016 11: 24 New
    0
    Are we ready for such a radical development of events? More likely no than yes.

    A year ago, ours doubted that they would extend cooperation on the ISS. So yes rather than no.
  24. triglav
    triglav 22 January 2016 11: 34 New
    0
    I completely agree with the author. It needs political will. And there is only one such person ...
  25. valokordin
    valokordin 22 January 2016 12: 00 New
    +2
    The article right upset, but let's hope for the best.
    As I look at the Minister of Education, well, it’s just some kind of down, but the former Minister Profursetko and all around our leader with a high rating are also in charge.
  26. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 22 January 2016 12: 06 New
    0
    There is a problem. The solution requires political will and money. Production and people thank God for the time being. So everything is in our hands.
    Quote: valokordin
    The article right upset, but let's hope for the best.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 January 2016 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Production and people thank God for the time being.

      People also cried.
  27. ILIA
    ILIA 22 January 2016 12: 16 New
    -1
    There is something to learn)))) bugs))
  28. Papapg
    Papapg 22 January 2016 12: 17 New
    +4
    Prospects are certainly not bright, but maybe bright, on the contrary, there is already one replacement, and for a long time. And laughter and sin!
  29. Ajjh
    Ajjh 22 January 2016 12: 21 New
    -1
    When Mir was being drowned, there was a conversation that it was no longer technically reliable, and before that there was often news about an emergency in the news. I remember she even burned. And she lived more than expected. So there may not be a politician at all
    1. lilian
      lilian 22 January 2016 13: 03 New
      -1
      The station was epoch-making, they could lift it into a high orbit, there it would spin for decades. True, there could be a danger of unwanted guests, but there would be a desire, they would put video cameras.
    2. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 22 January 2016 13: 16 New
      +2
      In 1997, V.V. Ryumin, already in the rank of an official, flew to Mir, as part of the Amer’s crew, in order to inspect the condition of the station. He stated that the station is fully operational and operational.

      There was a fire and depressurization on the World and a lot of things - but these are all working moments. If not for the World, then all this would be on the ISS.
  30. Ajjh
    Ajjh 22 January 2016 13: 04 New
    +1
    The title of the article was encouraging. I expected a serious analysis of the station and its prospects. but in fact ... some garbage came out
    The largest joint project, where the paths of the Russian Federation and the USA are likely to diverge soon, will be the International Space Station. This is prompted by political considerations as well as deeper reasons.

    In fact, after these lines the problem is thrown into the political field, they say everything is technically solved, but% managers% are to blame for everything (by the way, a new internal enemy. Bravo!)
    Further, it is worth checking separately that almost the entire ISS belongs to the USA. here I think 2 options. the competence of the journalism in this matter, or if so, the competence of the authorities who went for it and supported it. (Still, I think that the problem is more in the 1st paragraph)
    Then you can disassemble the paragraphs, but too lazy to do empty work :)
    Shl.
    The problem of managers certainly is. but here excuse me, but Rogozin is just a pawn here, funny, with a fool, but still a pawn
  31. 1536
    1536 22 January 2016 13: 09 New
    +3
    The government must admit that the liberal bloc has been "torn to pieces." Liberal ideas perished in the abyss of organized crime and corruption. Either Russia gives up all positions and finally becomes a colony, or the Constitution is replaced, "statists" come to power and those who want to live in Russia can live in Russia, and do business in Russia, and not idlers and talkers who stole public property and profitably sold it to Western and American capital. It is not too late, while we can build the space station ourselves, and the people understand everything and endure.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 January 2016 14: 40 New
      +1
      The fact remains that Russia is losing ground in space exploration and manned space exploration.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 22 January 2016 14: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The fact remains that Russia is losing ground in space exploration and manned space exploration.

        Somehow at the wrong time you make such a conclusion. The construction of a new cosmodrome is coming to an end, a new family of launch vehicles is being commissioned, the construction of a cosmodrome for France was completed recently, with the right to carry out launches for us too, a monopoly on transporting people to the ISS, a monopoly on adjusting the orbit and standard docking, etc. All ... navts going to the ISS undergo compulsory training at the CTC and IAKM, which confirms the absence of such institutions outside of Russia. Everyone who flies on the Soyuz must learn Russian, as it is the official language on this ship.
        It is not clear where such a conclusion came from.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 January 2016 17: 05 New
          +1
          It is losing ground in technical terms - we haven’t made any new manned ships, unlike the USA, we have only one single innovation - this is the Angara rocket and that’s all.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 22 January 2016 17: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            we have only one single innovation - this is the Angara rocket

            The only innovation in it is the replacement of Proton in a specific configuration
  32. with
    with 22 January 2016 13: 28 New
    0
    The hassle, characterized by Gorbachev's "in the West, is the same, only better" dissipates. Isklyuchenie- hopeless liberals, but nothing can fix them. Undoubtedly, vital spheres - science, education, space, defense must have completely their own. Otherwise "For all the years of the ISS, Russia has hardly benefited from participating in the project."So, the Western European psychotype of a person was formed in the conditions of the most severe feudalism, capitalism - and his principle of taking away what, from his point of view, lies badly. A person of the Eurasian (Russian) civilization alone will not survive. The conditions are not the same. And the" collegiality "of the Eurasian is It is just as natural as the desire of the Anglo-Saxon to honestly and in a gentlemanly manner deceive a savage (ne-Anglo-Saxon). It is textbook like a peasant who laid an ax for a ruble so that the peasant has no money, he has no ax, the ruble must, and most importantly, everything is correct. (the Soviets) realized what a "civilized world" they were pushed by Gorbachev and Yeltsin and are already deliberately emerging from there.In 1924, Stalin had a Politburo, entirely composed of Trotskyists-utopians, but look, Mikoyan, Beria, and Ponedelin and many other epic steel people were found ... People need to be raised, and space will be Russian! Russia can implement such an ambitious project in an economic downturn - a fact. It is clear that this will require other people in leadership positions, a different attitude, a different spirit and strategy. The strategy is not separate for space, but for the country as a whole, where space is only part of a big national idea.
  33. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 22 January 2016 13: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: vladimir_krm
    but it was done at the expense of the United States, so NASA is officially the owner of this module today


    Not at all necessary, there is no hard connection, this is how the contract was signed. Who-thread scan agreement will lay out here? Maybe the author of the article? It’s interesting.
  34. Igor V
    Igor V 22 January 2016 14: 39 New
    0
    The ISS operation life was calculated until 2015, which means that it is already flying over its resource. Rogozin recently said that Russia is not going to operate the ISS after 2020. Given that the orbit correction can only be done from the MCC, the docking is also controlled from there, then crying that the Americans will not allow ours to the ISS is just ridiculous. And if our departing take away everything of their own, including the space toilet, then I don’t know who wants to be there.
    1. opus
      opus 22 January 2016 18: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Igor V
      . Given that the correction of the orbit can only be done from the MCC,

      ?
      Functional cargo block "Zarya" (
      Quote: Author
      The Zarya module produced in Russia is US property.
      )
      There are three types of jet engines on the FGB: correction and approach engines (DCS), mooring and stabilization engines (DPS), and precise stabilization engines (TPA).

      As correction and rapprochement engines (DCS), two liquid multiple-engagement 11D442 jet engines are used. The fuel component supply system is a turbopump, which has two operating modes: traction mode and pumping mode. Using these engines, the FGB orbit is corrected at the autonomous flight stage, and the feed system also provides for the transfer of fuel from low pressure tanks to high pressure tanks. Each of the BCS has a thrust of 417+ 16 kgf.

      As mooring and stabilization engines (DPS), 24 liquid-propellant multiple-engagement engines of type 1 1D45 8 are used with a propellant supply system for fuel components. These engines are designed to stabilize the FGB. Each of the DPS has a thrust of 40 + 2,0 kgf.

      Precise stabilization of the FGB, which is required when docking with the Space Shuttle, is provided by 16 multiple-start 17D58E liquid-propellant jet engines with a positive propellant supply system. Each of the precision stabilization engines (DTS) has a thrust of 1,36 + 0,06 kgf.

      ====================
      the ballistic support program for the flight can be issued not only by the ballistic-navigational support of the Flight Control Center of FSUE TsNIImash, but also by Houston.

      06.2015 The engines of the Progress M-26M spacecraft did not turn on, the correction of the ISS orbit did not take place.

      “The fact that the engines of Progress are not running at the appointed time, Russian PMU informed by American colleagues from Houston. Orbit correction did not take place. Experts study the causes of engine failure ”
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 23 January 2016 02: 38 New
        -1
        Unfortunately, I cannot provide Wikipedia because there was an oral conversation. The Americans do not know the control codes, and indeed they cannot theoretically calculate the trajectory and the necessary momentum. This is not advertised on matters of prestige. By the way, the ISS itself was assembled by our cosmonauts on "shuttles".
        1. opus
          opus 23 January 2016 18: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Igor V
          Americans do not know control codes, and indeed they cannot theoretically calculate the trajectory and the necessary momentum

          - no codes. all computers and software at stations from the USA
          - a nation that was able to calculate the flight of a voyager outside the solar system and flights to the moon = easily calculate ballistics for the ISS
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 23 January 2016 19: 50 New
            0
            Let me disagree what
            1. opus
              opus 24 January 2016 17: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Igor V
              Let me disagree

              Yes.
              For fun, explain what the disagreement is:
              codes? (according to the memorandum, everyone is equal and info on management is open to the parties + manual control)
              -by
              Quote: Igor V
              in general, they cannot theoretically calculate the trajectory and the necessary momentum.

              this is ridiculous.
              Houston participates in the board as does the tsup
  35. opus
    opus 22 January 2016 16: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Author
    This applies not only to parts manufactured directly in the United States. So, the Zarya module produced in Russia is the property of the USA.

    Right, but why?
    The module was built by the Russian GKNPTs im. Khrunichev commissioned by the American side and is the property of NASA, because. NASA's main contractor for the ISS, Boeing, paid $ 220 million. Khrunichev and "threw" Lockheed with the Bus-1 module giving the price almost 2 times cheaper.

    The signed contract included design, detailed testing, manufacturing, a full test cycle, prelaunch training and the launch of the Zarya FGB from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, as well as the supply of simulators, components and spare parts for it.

    what are the problems?

    Quote: Author
    The Americans, in fact, created an ideal scam with the ISS, forcing many countries to participate financially and technically in the creation of a complex that only they will control.

    1. NASA expenses on the ISS, excluding shuttle costs , from 1994 to 2005 amounted to 25,6 billion dollars. In 2005 and 2006, approximately 1,8 billion dollars fell. It is estimated that annual spending will increase, and by 2010 will amount to $ 2,3 billion.

    In 2016-2025, it is planned to finance the ISS from the Russian Federation in the amount of 252 billion rubles for ten years, it is planned to attract 12,6 billion from this amount from extrabudgetary sources.
    2. Again they were forced or "by consent". Space Station Intergovernmental Agreement.Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs)
    After all, by agreement. And for the shoals we must kick our signatories(and Chubais at the same time)

    According to Article 5 (IGA), the jurisdiction of each partner extends only to the component of the station that is registered for it, and violations of legal norms by personnel, inside or outside the station, subject to trial in accordance with the laws of the country of which they are citizens.

    3. A significant part of the research conducted by Russia on the ISS is contractual or joint with foreign partners.
    It is not possible to conduct any military research on the ISS (at the present time) and not because of the Americans.
    And because of our gouging:
    flat tire MIL-STD-1553
    One hundred ThinkPad laptops from IBM and Lenovo, A31 and T61P models running Debian GNU / Linux
    Radio signals from the systems are transmitted to the American geostationary satellites TDRSS
    Wi-Fi m / u blocks the same "American"
    And they are not needed at the HABITATED station (each sneeze and bunch responds).
    Is that the biomedical experiment "Matryoshka-R"
  36. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 22 January 2016 18: 09 New
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    I calculated the comments, for the most part such nonsense !!! The arguments of Experds (each expert is Korolev, Glushko, Rogozin, Putin and all in one person), who know how to do better, how to manage and develop, how to curate, etc., etc., cheers from patriots who do not know and do not know how.
  37. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 22 January 2016 21: 07 New
    -1
    We profiled our cosmos, that's all. Now we need not sprinkle our heads with ash, but think what to do in order to pull the domestic cosmonautics out of the pit.
  38. Rich-ksy
    Rich-ksy 22 January 2016 22: 10 New
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    The "big guys" decided to find out what the "climate" is in the team, as a result, it turned out that the only respected leader ("lower link"), went to retire. Did not fit into the company of "nimble"
  39. aba
    aba 22 January 2016 22: 44 New
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    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    I calculated the comments, for the most part such nonsense !!! The arguments of Experds ... cheers patriots who, in addition to the theory of nehrena do not know and do not know how.

    So tell us how things really are. We will listen with great interest. Otherwise, also look like those Experdthat you criticize. wink
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 23 January 2016 01: 30 New
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      I don’t know much how things are, so I won’t be like people who advise how and what to do while being far from space technology, from industry development projects, and judging by children's comments on the development of the economy, technology, most commentators very far from all this.
      Most of the comments boil down to: Medvedev, Putin is a traitor, we are lagging behind, we need to develop! and then there is a proposal on how to develop in the style of "Take everything and divide and put on the leadership of the Russians with a conscience." For example, I am not Russian, so I have no conscience, and you can't put me on.
      I can not give advice like idiotic:.
      Quote: Sveles

      those that have to shoot, and put the Russian -whose conscience is in place and things will go ...
      (Is Mikoyan Russian? Or Nudelman or Stalin, are they not Russian and they didn’t do business?)
      Or give advice on where to get the money.
      Giving tips represent what a rocket is? and how much it costs, as well as the station., from this I conclude that people for whom to build such a complex, they don’t understand what they are talking about.
      This does not apply to those authors. which can show in detail the problem without a hurray of patriotism "we will kill everyone, only we will remove Medvedev", in an interesting form. to state your views, and learn new things (for example, eating glass), even if they do not coincide with mine, it will be interesting and instructive to listen to.
      P. S. Why are so many comments about which Medvedev and the authorities are to blame, and for which to build a rocket a little time to spit, appears at a time when a person by idea should work?

      And on the topic: the situation seems to me: space exploration, a very expensive pleasure, and even the United States alone will not pull it. the problem is that the United States cooperates with European countries that have rich experience, but at the same time, it seems to me that flattery in bondage also has no special desire! The sad thing is that private astronautics is developing, this is a definite plus, as I think .. I will not write about the crisis and lack of money, as I will get an answer. from people who know this, you need to take it from the rich, and not invest in America, you need to develop production and the rest of the set of stamps and slogans !!!!
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 23 January 2016 01: 33 New
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        I apologize for the late reply!
        1. glasha3032
          glasha3032 23 January 2016 02: 52 New
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          ,,, "The US cooperates with European countries that have RICH EXPERIENCE" ... Where from?
      2. aba
        aba 23 January 2016 02: 06 New
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        only we remove medvedev

        I don't think saying Medvedev you personally, yes I am, and everyone else has in mind personally LADIES, namely the attitude towards the industry of the Liberal Democrats, who have lost their industry with the quote, that "we will buy everything we need in the West." And then it turned out that they may not sell, or they may not even serve what they sold, and so on. That is why, if we are not the Cerberus of the world, then we must rely on ourselves. Or at least remember this, and not go on about partnership and economic expediency. Those who made these decisions can always blame them on their safe havens, and we will be left without work, respectively, without money and livelihood.
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 23 January 2016 16: 50 New
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          Thank you for your reply!
  40. Radikal
    Radikal 23 January 2016 00: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Pancho
    Quote: Sveles
    we now need OTHER PEOPLE everywhere

    Golden words, Putin’s ears in their ears.

    Are you serious? wassat
  41. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 23 January 2016 16: 21 New
    +1
    No one has interfered with and does not prevent us from adding our own scientific modules to the ISS and conducting any research that we wish, except for the state of our science and economy. The Americans have nothing to do with it.
  42. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 23 January 2016 16: 41 New
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    The author wrote nonsense about property and in general about everything.
    Ways diverge not because of the station, but because of politics, and also because Russia has nothing more to offer to participate in its flight to Mars or to asteroids. Technologies of a long life in zero gravity, household trivia for this - all this has already been transmitted or will be transferred soon. We need advanced interplanetary spacecraft, manned or at least automatic, as well as cheap and reliable super-lifting means of output. There was nothing and no.
    And the stations have nothing to do with it. Stations are needed to maintain the experience of space flights and as launch platforms for long-distance flights. The ISS was created in the context of the proposed flight to Mars, as well as for political reasons, to remove the Russian public, scientific and technical, in particular, from the state of the Cold War and prevent the transfer of technology to rogue regimes, and vice versa, make friends, etc., to master rich Soviet experience in staying at stations. But all this has passed. Everything else on the ISS is mouse fuss. The ISS will sooner or later be closed by common decision, or forced after a fire or depressurization. And Russia does not see any groundwork for long-distance flights. After this, Roscosmos will engage, as always, in discussing the further space program and a leapfrog of projects, ground personnel and acting cosmonauts will gradually leave or lose experience, the production of the Unions and the fed modules will be lost, and Russia will only display satellites. This seems a bleak prospect.
  43. palm
    palm 23 January 2016 19: 51 New
    +1
    It has long been known that the ISS has developed its resource. what is the long-term benefit of endlessly extending the life of the bucket with nuts and bolts.
  44. Fat
    Fat 24 January 2016 02: 14 New
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    Quote: Scraptor
    NASA turned for help, in the module "Dawn / Zarya", built and launched for them, there are systems responsible for the long-term stay in space of their segment, they themselves could not do all this.
    The Russian segment was ready even under the USSR, it was called MIR-2, it only had to be launched, and in it all these systems are of course their own.

    You're right! But one more "Energy" of the USSR "did not pull" and therefore the "Russian Segment of the ISS"
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 January 2016 02: 19 New
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      ISS Russian Segment
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 24 January 2016 20: 41 New
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        What does Energy have to do with it? There were several of them and of different types. The ground on them was enough to fly to Mars. Everything for the ISS was displayed by Protons
        1. Fat
          Fat 26 January 2016 21: 42 New
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          Quote: Scraptor
          Hit them enough to fly to Mars. Everything for the ISS was deduced by Protons

          That's right, there was not enough ground for Mars. The launch of "energy" cost around 350 million rubles. And world-2:
          The structure of the station should have included the following elements [1]:
          orbital dock (mass - 90 tons, launch into orbit by the Energy rocket)
          base unit
          farms and solar panels
          official
          biotechnological
          technological
          first and second research modules. - wiki
          I have vague suspicions about the "Scythian" ("pole") ... I love alternative history, I am a sinner. But it never occurred to me to write myself, all the more to post fictions
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 29 January 2016 19: 00 New
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            Did you read the previous comment at all? There were enough manufactured "Energies" for the Martian expedition.

            MIR-2 is the ISS Russian segment, nothing was launched by Energy there. Almost all of these modules were made in the USSR and stood on Earth for several years.
            1. Fat
              Fat 31 January 2016 01: 34 New
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              Yours - read, yes! As always, carefully. hi Guldezh was from the cosmonaut corps, and nothing more. I'm just terribly interested. How could Mir-2 be assembled without shuttles? No way ... And "alpha", castrated, "Freedom"? So I had to "cooperate internationally" until the shuttles got out of the trash. I repeat: 210 million full-weight rubles (backed by a gold reserve) for 1 launch of Energia + 140 million for 1 shuttle - it was cool for the USSR, especially after Chernobyl and Spitak. And the pearl - the "orbital dock" of the "world", except for Energy, no one would "asil", and there is no "dock", no "Buran" - there is no Mars. Projects for other media were - yes. But they did not bring it to mind, all for the same reason - "no penny"
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 31 January 2016 19: 43 New
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                And how was MIR-1 assembled? And the Russian segment (and part of the American) without shuttles?
                The shuttles were junk that carried to LEO mostly themselves and not the payload, the too heavy Columbia never flew to the ISS at all. Therefore, the United States had to "cooperate internationally," which in their DOS (especially modular) systems of habitability and automatic docking did not kick in the teeth.
                Quote: Thick
                Galdezh from the cosmonaut corps

                this is characteristic ...

                The rest of the dregs about "millions of docks in gold" - no comment at all ... laughing
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  46. neo1200
    neo1200 26 January 2016 12: 08 New
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    That's just one interesting question why the US did not begin to create manned ships in the nineties, when it became clear that the shuttles would soon exhaust their resources. It seems to me that the United States will not create manned ships by 2025 either. The Americans now have the problem of maintaining global dominance. Americans will spend all the basic resources on this.
    1. Fat
      Fat 31 January 2016 01: 44 New
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      Quote: neo1200
      The Americans now have the problem of maintaining global dominance. Americans will spend all the basic resources on this.

      And on the content of "black Americans", on the social. programs - the same democracy. They didn’t sign the agreement on "no placement" - they will create it, even "cutting off the march". Even now, "dual-use" technologies in space are commonplace, and withdrawing "lethal" weapons is not a problem at all ... On our RD-180s ...
  47. korvin1976
    korvin1976 22 February 2016 19: 48 New
    +1
    I have already given analytics on the ISS and spacecraft launches:
    All failures and losses in fact are far-fetched.
    Country Start Failures
    Russia 32 1
    USA 23 1
    PRC 16 0
    EU 11 1
    India 4 0
    Japan 4 0
    Israel 1 0
    The table above shows the starts and failures in 2014, I think quite clearly. And given that most of the US launches on Russian engines, then there’s nothing to be said about, especially about Russia's lag in the space field.
    ISS situation with which the US allegedly wants to "expel" Russia
    Launches to the ISS:
    Russia 100 pcs
    All other countries: 57 pcs.
    And again, do not forget which engines have most of the launches.

    What are they going to fly on? On their new ships? As they say, a flag in their hands and a drum around their neck, more precisely a trampoline for launching their ships
  48. Sergey956
    Sergey956 4 March 2016 20: 00 New
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    I suppose that the problem in the Russian space industry is more in the problem of embezzlement and nepotism than in the problem of personnel and money. No need to keep stolen officials in power and everything will be fine.
  49. Engineer
    Engineer April 6 2016 11: 12 New
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    Quote: Thick
    ISS Russian Segment

    just remove the Science and Energy platform - it does not exist and never will be.
  50. Mushroom
    Mushroom April 20 2016 06: 14 New
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    I don’t understand something. The ISS is not an American, but a common project, the contribution of Russia is substantial. How can Americans not let anyone in there? With the same success, we can not let them go there. The article is crazy