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American ship with a hybrid fuel engine went on a long trip

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The US Navy forms a group of ships capable of walking on a mixture of conventional fuel and biofuels. Now this ratio is 9: 1, in the future it is planned to reach the ratio 50 on 50, reports TASS with reference to the Associated Press.




“The first such ship was the Stockdale missile destroyer, which, together with the Stennis nuclear-powered ship, set off on Wednesday for a seven-month voyage from the naval base in San Diego, California. Their crews saw off US Navy Minister Ray Mabus and Agriculture Minister Tom Vilsack, ”the agency reports.

Mabus recalled that before fleet “By 2020, the task has been set to switch to alternative energy sources by half.”

“This will give us a strategic advantage,” Vilsak said in turn.

According to the Associated Press, "The federal government has invested more than $ 500 million in the development of biofuels that do not require modernization of propulsion systems."

"Only this year, 77 million gallons (291,5 thousand cubic meters) of the fuel mixture (with a biofuel share of 10%) at the price of $ 2,05 per gallon was purchased for the needs of the Navy on the West Coast of the USA," the newspaper notes.

AP recalls that "as part of the national security strategy, the US military is obliged to systematically reduce its dependence on foreign energy sources." According to the agency, "from 2008, the Navy of the country reduced consumption of petroleum products by 15%, and the Marine Corps - by 60%."
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 January 2016 17: 48 New
    21
    This is 90% diesel fuel and 10% donkey urine?))) Hello Vasily Alibabaevich)))
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 21 January 2016 17: 51 New
      15
      The crew eats only Mexican cuisine, otherwise there will not be enough biofuel for a return stroke! recourse
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 18: 01 New
        13
        Quote: Major Yurik
        The crew eats only Mexican cuisine, otherwise there will not be enough biofuel for a return stroke! recourse

        Nothing, "drying" will fly around them several times (as in the case of the destroyer "Donald Cook" during the Crimean events) - the hidden reserves of the body will immediately appear. There will be enough fuel in abundance. laughing
        1. Pomor
          Pomor 21 January 2016 22: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Nothing, "drying" will fly around them several times (as in the case of the destroyer "Donald Cook" during the Crimean events) - the hidden reserves of the body will immediately appear. There is enough fuel in abundance


          Directly removed from the tongue by Andrey laughing
        2. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 22 January 2016 05: 55 New
          0
          Yankee's cunning answer to the actions of the Russian VKS)
      2. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 21 January 2016 18: 01 New
        +2
        The biofuel stock on board increases dramatically when Russian aircraft pass over the ship, so the cruising range is unlimited.
        1. Altona
          Altona 21 January 2016 18: 08 New
          0
          Quote: lysyj bob
          The biofuel stock on board increases dramatically when Russian aircraft pass over the ship, so the cruising range is unlimited.

          --------------------
          I also thought that the crew could bomb the fuel tank hatch ...)))
          1. lysyj bob
            lysyj bob 21 January 2016 22: 00 New
            +2
            Many people here thought so, but it’s not clear why they would minus us. With a sense of humor trouble or "paid for by the State Department" ...)))
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 21 January 2016 22: 53 New
              +6
              Quote: lysyj bob
              Many people here thought so. It is not clear only why we are being minus. With a sense of humor trouble or "paid for by the State Department" ...)))

              .. cocktail .. mixed all in one glass .. hi .. the only wonder why they are here and not there .. laughing ... yes, and we undermine our hi-hi EXCLUSIVE authority of the US Navy .. although the Iranians have generally rubbed and thrown them .. laughing
              P. S. .. and then both of the minus .. yes, the hand lifted the minus-gun will dry .. soldier
              1. lysyj bob
                lysyj bob 21 January 2016 23: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                Quote: lysyj bob
                Many people here thought so. It is not clear only why we are being minus. With a sense of humor trouble or "paid for by the State Department" ...)))

                .. cocktail .. mixed all in one glass .. hi .. the only wonder why they are here and not there .. laughing ... yes, and we undermine our hi-hi EXCLUSIVE authority of the US Navy .. although the Iranians have generally rubbed and thrown them .. laughing
                P. S. .. and then both of the minus .. yes, the hand lifted the minus-gun will dry .. soldier



                Nothing, we will break through ... Put pluses to all OUR.
          2. Delink
            Delink 22 January 2016 00: 13 New
            0
            this is humanitarian aid !!!
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 22 January 2016 08: 23 New
          +1
          Their aircraft carriers are truly inexhaustible sources of biofuel. The main thing for the broadcast is to periodically give some scary introductory notes. One problem - they will come from gray-haired campaigns, with a shaken nervous system. And they can get used to it. Then everything, the ship will rise ...
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 21 January 2016 19: 02 New
        0
        Here it is necessary to transfer the turbine from diesel fuel to methane ... Although they can refuel with fart gas from crests, it is in abundance there ..
        Quote: Major Yurik
        The crew eats only Mexican cuisine, otherwise there will not be enough biofuel for a return stroke! recourse
      4. Pajamas
        Pajamas 21 January 2016 19: 28 New
        0
        He ordered a fly-over of the destroyer by the VKS SU 24 aircraft as part of humanitarian aid from the Russian Federation, and immediately received a couple of tons of biofuel on the mountain.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 21 January 2016 21: 00 New
          +3
          And what is everyone so caught in farting? The engines began to be made with barrels under $ 100. While doing it became $ 27. And when again under $ 100 it becomes something to sing? The price of oil, in fact, is determined by them.
          Please note that at a meager price, Congress and the Senate approve oil exports. It would seem not logical. But! Stocks in the US are only growing. Those. by the time of the formation of export deliveries, the price, having soared even to $ 60, gives more than 100% profit. And what is Marx writing about any crime for 5% profit?
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 21 January 2016 21: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: samoletil18
            Stocks in the US are only growing. Those. by the time of the formation of export deliveries, the price, having soared even to $ 60, gives more than 100% profit.

            .. oh, whether .. oil is such a thing .. it happens different .. in the USA and Canada .. the so-called sulphurous from bitumen sands .. 50 candy wrappers per barrel production cost .. this is not Saudi which is the so-called light and almost goes not by gravity .. hi
          2. Pajamas
            Pajamas 21 January 2016 23: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: samoletil18
            And what is everyone so caught in farting? The engines began to be made with barrels under $ 100. While doing it became $ 27. And when again under $ 100 it becomes something to sing? The price of oil, in fact, is determined by them.
            Please note that at a meager price, Congress and the Senate approve oil exports. It would seem not logical. But! Stocks in the US are only growing. Those. by the time of the formation of export deliveries, the price, having soared even to $ 60, gives more than 100% profit. And what is Marx writing about any crime for 5% profit?

            How do you imagine biofuels? And what about additional logistics? And the oil was correctly answered there, as well as Tatar oil, which is sour. And URALS - Siberian is quite easy, but in general, if you make a revolution in economy, it’s better IMHO to spend money on new types of movers. If the honey agglomerates becomes 100, do you think that we will be upset and binge with eulogies? Naive assumption.
          3. Manul
            Manul 22 January 2016 00: 57 New
            0
            Quote: samoletil18
            Please note that at a meager price, Congress and the Senate approve oil exports. It would seem not logical. But! Stocks in the US are only growing. Those. by the time of the formation of export deliveries, the price, having soared even to $ 60, gives more than 100% profit.

            what Shit .. That is, the oil price will fall to "zero", all oil companies will have to curtail production and abandon contracts due to unprofitability, all supply contracts will be signed by the states, and only then the price will jump up? I hope we have calculated this option at the top ..
          4. BaLaLaykin
            BaLaLaykin 22 January 2016 03: 48 New
            0
            And at the same time, they do not stop howling about the fact that Russia is sitting on an oil needle, but nevertheless they seek to sit on this needle themselves, having previously convinced us that the export of oil products and gas is bad. request
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 22 January 2016 15: 17 New
              0
              Guys! I am just for people like you who commented on me. It is interesting to sit with you over pivasik, definitely, to get together. I’m only talking about "paper" oil, but here I’m talking about properties and brands.
              What I thought: we have Volga oil, and selling it for futures is a crime! The same chemical industry should be the locomotive of economic growth in our country, but WHAT IS GOING ON? And this with all the resources available!
              Where is Lavrenty Pavlovich? (!) Every year I understand further and further that he is the manager of all times and among nations.
      5. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 21 January 2016 20: 29 New
        0
        What for? If technology is brought to mind, then if there is any threat, they will have more than enough fuel. This is what a saving ... Including diapers. laughing
      6. igordok
        igordok 21 January 2016 20: 54 New
        0
        If Greenpeace reached for the US Navy - Khan to the states. These jackals (greenpeace) will not stop at small. The Air Force will transfer to gliders, there are no emissions. The tanks will be covered with solar panels, in the battle they will play the role of screens.
      7. Scraptor
        Scraptor 21 January 2016 22: 00 New
        +1
        yes, and something the sail is too small ...
      8. Olfred
        Olfred 21 January 2016 22: 10 New
        0
        in case of biofuel attack there will be a lot hi
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 21 January 2016 17: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      This is 90% diesel fuel and 10% donkey urine?))) Hello Vasily Alibabaevich)))

      .. ah, the phrase is the phrase ..
      AP recalls that "as part of the national security strategy, the US military is obliged to systematically reduce its dependence on foreign energy sources." According to the agency, "from 2008, the Navy of the country reduced consumption of petroleum products by 15%, and the Marine Corps - by 60%."
      .. all Texas blown away ?! .. paddles in your hands and finally will be the most exclusively alternative .. laughing .. long live the galley navy of the usa! and the Air Force on the pedal drive, there’s nothing to burn kerosene for nothing .. laughing
      1. iConst
        iConst 21 January 2016 17: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Inok10
        .. all Texas blown away ?! ..
        - In fact, is there a shortage of oil? Odd strange ...
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 21 January 2016 18: 39 New
          +2
          Citizens of the federal republic of Texas really do not like mattresses) and love big gluttonous cars) therefore they do not intend to share oil) hi
      2. rzaruba
        rzaruba 22 January 2016 01: 33 New
        0
        During the 1990-1991 Gulf War, known as Operation Desert Storm, the Allied group consumed on average daily: 57 million liters of fresh water, 95 tons of ice, 687 thousand liters of gasoline, 456 thousand liters of diesel fuel , 198 thousand liters of aviation kerosene. The amount of waste removed was 145 tons per day.
        Source: http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/73 © "Modern Army" portal
    3. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 21 January 2016 18: 03 New
      +1
      It's ridiculous now to run on biofuel, diesel is cheaper and more efficient. If it were on water, then of course, because "there is a shock."
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 21 January 2016 18: 29 New
        0
        Sound familiar?
        "Features of national fishing" ... Secret submarine "Baby".
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    4. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 21 January 2016 18: 36 New
      0
      Urine can be added during the trip to the tanks laughing donkeys on board a lot)
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 21 January 2016 19: 56 New
      0
      Not on der! me will their ships now go? Another cut of American rubles in the American mine defense.
    6. opus
      opus 21 January 2016 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      This is 90% diesel fuel and 10% donkey urine?))) Hello Vasily Alibabaevich)))

      10% biodiesel (DIN EN 14214)

      This is the RULE at the UES gas station

      (like bio gasoline)


      100% diesel and 100% gasoline have not been there for 5 years (Finland and Norway still have clean diesel).

      Starting this year in Germany, the industrial production of rapeseed oil engine oil will begin.


      in the USA there is B100 - 100% biodiesel.

      diesel from vegetable oil (rapeseed) and other vegetation



      ===========================
      it is no worse (worse for lubricants), more environmentally friendly and cheaper


      and of course it decomposes faster: 3 months stored

  2. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 21 January 2016 17: 50 New
    0
    America has everything except resources. This is their sore spot. There are still in storage but have already begun to sell.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 21 January 2016 17: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      America has everything except resources. This is their sore spot.

      They also have resources, even very good ones. Only two BUT: while others sell their resources to them for their candy wrappers, why not buy? And domestic consumption is too bloated, there are large reserves for savings.
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 21 January 2016 18: 56 New
      -4
      Even with a brain deficit)
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 January 2016 20: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      America has everything except resources. This is their sore spot. There are still in storage but have already begun to sell.

      In fact, until the 60s, the United States was the world's largest oil producer. And then they grew wiser and mothballed a large part of the deposits on their territory "for a rainy day."
  3. engineer74
    engineer74 21 January 2016 17: 51 New
    +2
    Biofuel - EMNIP, is it ethanol (ethyl alcohol)? belay
    We will never have this! And not because of the backwardness of technology ... wink
    Rather, we will fill He-3 in tanks. smile
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 21 January 2016 17: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: engineer74
      Biofuel - EMNIP, is it ethanol (ethyl alcohol)? belay
      We will never have this! And not because of the backwardness of technology ...
      Rather, we will fill He-3 in tanks. smile


      Dmitry, do not demonize our sailors, not everything is so sad! Drinking mining is bad manners, and the body will gradually merge into the toilet! negative
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 January 2016 18: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Drinking mining is bad manners, and the body will gradually merge into the toilet!

        Yes, only an inquiring Russian mind has developed many methods for the self-cleaning of alcohol-containing liquids to a digestible state. wink
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Yes, only an inquiring Russian mind has developed many methods for the self-cleaning of alcohol-containing liquids to a digestible state.

          Through a gas filter for example. You can besiege rubbish with potassium permanganate. I also know how to separate alcohol from a parquet lacquer using a machine and wood chips. smile
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 21 January 2016 18: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Through a gas filter for example. You can besiege rubbish with potassium permanganate. I also know how to separate alcohol from a parquet lacquer using a machine and wood chips.

            I think if every third comrade on the site throws a couple of recipes, we can stir up a very useful book. laughing
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 22 New
              +2
              Well, that's for sure ... military pilots somehow taught me how to steal alcohol from the brake system of an airplane after landing .. like it’s still being drained, but people don’t remember for the need .. laughing
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 21 January 2016 18: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                me as military pilots taught how to steal alcohol from the brake system

                About the anti-icing system still need to remember. yes
              2. FID
                FID 21 January 2016 18: 43 New
                +7
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                Well, that's for sure ... military pilots somehow taught me how to steal alcohol from the brake system of an airplane after landing.

                This is something new ... Alcohol in the brake system ??? Low boiling liquid ???
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: SSI
                  This is something new ... Alcohol in the brake system ??? Low boiling liquid ???

                  The person apparently heard something about the "liqueur-chassis", hence the conclusion smile
                  1. Dr. Bormental
                    Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 19: 35 New
                    +2
                    One more.. hi I was told that they were draining from the front landing gear .. with Mig-a. Maybe not in a flash, maybe not in the front .. I'm not a pilot smile
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                2. Dr. Bormental
                  Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 19: 32 New
                  0
                  It was a long time ago ... I remembered the words brake system and alcohol ... I am a doctor, not a technician, treating pilots ... well, right away .. smile
                  1. Aleksey_K
                    Aleksey_K 21 January 2016 21: 43 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Dr. Bormental
                    It was a long time ago ... I remembered the words brake system and alcohol ... I am a doctor, not a technician, treating pilots ... well, right away .. smile

                    Most likely, ethanol is actually used in brake fluids, but it is called for conspiracy ethylene glycol, because everyone knows that our aviators have repeatedly tried to extract alcohol from this liquid, and, of course, they were poisoned.
                    I worked in the production (radio-electronic), that in the process uses tens of liters of alcohol per day. And naturally, not technical, methanol or glycol is used, but wine alcohol used to produce vodka and wines. No one needs the increased mortality of our stupid population.
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                4. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 21 January 2016 21: 35 New
                  +4
                  Quote: SSI
                  This is something new ... Alcohol in the brake system ??? Low boiling liquid ???

                  Not new at all. Alcohol dissolved in brake fluid does not allow it to freeze. Aircraft then fly at altitude with large temperature minuses. Only it is not ethyl alcohol, but ethylene glycol, a toxic alcohol. Yes, and boil this mixture in the brake system from nothing. Through this fluid pressure is transmitted through the piston (plunger) to the brake pad system, the fluid itself does not slow down anything.
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              3. TVM - 75
                TVM - 75 22 January 2016 05: 25 New
                0
                There is no alcohol there. They were joking.
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            3. tol100v
              tol100v 21 January 2016 18: 32 New
              +4
              Quote: Vladimirets
              we can stir up a very useful book.

              Most likely Incomplete collected works in ten volumes, with the subsequent release of revised and supplemented!
              1. Dr. Bormental
                Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 39 New
                +3
                I remembered anecdote: Textbook: "How to assemble a parachute correctly." Revised edition smile
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          2. engineer74
            engineer74 21 January 2016 18: 19 New
            +1
            It remains to remember BF-6 "on the drill"! laughing
            And through the gas mask box the method is not very, for a long time it follows from there - it is easier to use activated carbon in tablets. smile
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 28 New
              +2
              A friend told me that he had a familiar drunk through the diaper decided to filter the sivuha. I thought there was something inside a type of coal activated. Well, the diaper is swollen, everything turned into gel there, and accordingly does not give out production. In a person, hysterics poured half a liter, and zero at the output. So this gel from the diaper was eaten .. alive, it remains, only the tongue has become blue, the color of the gel for a couple of days ... I don’t know, maybe the bike smile
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            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: engineer74
              And through the gas mask box the method is not very, for a long time it follows from there - it is easier to use activated carbon in tablets.

              Hurry, you make people laugh, and where to get a lot of activated carbon in the field? One acquaintance (at that time the captain, a former major) told me how they had bitten a box of denatured alcohol at the training ground in such a way (through a gas mask box). drinks
          3. Manul
            Manul 22 January 2016 01: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Through a gas filter for example. You can besiege rubbish with potassium permanganate. I also know how to separate alcohol from a parquet lacquer using a machine and wood chips.

            Quote: Vladimirets
            I think if every third comrade on the site throws a couple of recipes, we can stir up a very useful book

            repeat(I heard from the story) If green (diamond green) is shed in the frost on an iron corner, then all green will remain on the iron, and pure alcohol will merge.
      2. engineer74
        engineer74 21 January 2016 18: 12 New
        0
        Bioethanol, if we are talking about it, is, unfortunately, according to our "Retified alcohol" GOST, and it is usually obtained from rapeseed or corn ... This is not working off at all. hi
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 21 January 2016 18: 50 New
          +3
          Not certainly in that way. It's about biodiesel. They don’t use ethanol there. It’s impossible to get it. crying

          "The raw materials for the production of diesel biofuels can be animal and vegetable oils (rapeseed, sunflower, palm, soy, coconut, castor, algal)."

          A short shelf life (about 3 months, and they "went on a seven-month hike," braggart) is the main drawback, and even less when sailing in southern latitudes (unless containers with fuel will be cooled, or take oil with them on board recycle, which is more likely).

          291,5 thousand cubic meters were bought by more than one delivery, of course. They will be transported as they are used, taking into account the shelf life (you can’t lay it on the storage).
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: engineer74
          Bioethanol, if we are talking about it, is according to our "Retified alcohol" GOST, unfortunately, I do not remember and it is usually obtained from rapeseed or corn ...

          Biodiesel is a biofuel based on vegetable or animal fats (oils), as well as products of their esterification. Vegetable oil is transesterified with methanol, less often ethanol or isopropyl alcohol (approximately in a proportion of 1 ton of oil, 200 kg of methanol + potassium or sodium hydroxide) at a temperature of 60 ° C and normal pressure. It is used in its pure form and in the form of various mixtures with diesel fuel. In the USA, a mixture of diesel fuel with biodiesel is indicated by the letter B; the number after the letter indicates the percentage of biodiesel. B2 - 2% of biodiesel, 98% of diesel fuel. B100 - 100% biodiesel. The use of mixtures does not require changes to the engine. The raw materials for the production of biodiesel are fatty, less often - essential oils of various plants or algae.
          Europe - rapeseed;
          USA - soybeans;
          Canada - canola (a type of rapeseed);
          Indonesia, Philippines - palm oil;
          Philippines - Coconut Oil
          India - Jatropha, (Jatropha);
          Africa - soybean, jatropha;
          Brazil is castor oil.
          Used vegetable oil, animal fats, fish oil, etc. are also used.
          Biodiesel, as experiments have shown, does not harm plants and animals when it enters water. In addition, it undergoes almost complete biological decay: in the soil or in water, microorganisms process 28% of biodiesel in 99 days, which allows us to talk about minimizing pollution of rivers and lakes.
          CO2 reduction. During the combustion of biodiesel, exactly the same amount of carbon dioxide is released that was consumed from the atmosphere by the plant, which is the initial raw material for the production of oil, for the entire period of its life. Biodiesel in comparison with conventional diesel fuel contains almost no sulfur. This is good from an environmental point of view.
    2. opus
      opus 21 January 2016 20: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: engineer74
      Biofuel - EMNIP, this is ethanol (ethyl alcohol)

      no. METHYL.
      Methyl alcohol and alkali are added to vegetable oil purified from impurities, T up to 50g.




      From any vegetable oil (palm, sunflower, rye, rapeseed, etc.), where there are a lot of triglycerides of fatty acids

      Quote: engineer74
      We will never have this!

      is.
      from January 1, 2009 GOST R 52808? 2007 “Unconventional technologies. Energy?
      tika biowaste. Terms and Definitions".

      and it would be better

      Alternative Energy Systems experts evaluate the overall technical potential of biomass in Russia 15-000 MW (for comparison: the capacity of all nuclear power plants in Russia is about 20 MW).
      -----------------
      According to scientists, the share of renewable energy sources will reach 2040% by 47,7, and the contribution of biomass to 23,8%. Plans to start the production of biofuels at the state level have been adopted in more than 38 countries. The world centers for biofuel production in 2012 are the USA, Brazil and the European Union. Ethen the three largest markets in the world, in 2010 concentrated 85% of the global biofuel production.

      The largest share is in the United States - 48% of the world's biofuels. The most common type of biofuel is bioethanol; its share is 82% of the total fuel produced in the world from biological raw materials. Its leading manufacturers are the United States and Brazil. In 2nd place is biodiesel. In the European Union, 49% of biodiesel production is concentrated. Since 2000, the volume of world biofuel production has increased seven-fold - from 16 billion liters in 2000 to 110 billion liters in 2012. At the same time, biofuel makes up only 2,3% of the total volume of liquid (motor) fuel used. This figure is higher in Brazil (20,1%), the United States (4,4%) and the European Union (4,2%).

      --------------------

      Russia can more effectively realize its land potential (approximately 9% of the world arable land) - about 40 million hectares of unclaimed arable land under the creation of energy plantations, as well as more fully use about 1 billion tons of biomass annually.

      But, as calculations show, when cultivating, for example, Jerusalem artichoke for the production of biogas and bioethanol for motor fuel for the entire Russian agricultural sector, it is necessary only about 3 million hectares, for the fleet of the whole of Russia - 15 million hectares. When cultivating sweet sorghum for the agricultural fleet, up to 1 million hectares for the Russian Federation - 15 million hectares, that is much less empty land.
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 21 January 2016 21: 21 New
      0
      Quote: engineer74
      Biofuel - EMNIP, is it ethanol (ethyl alcohol)? belay
      We will never have this! And not because of the backwardness of technology ... wink
      Rather, we will fill He-3 in tanks. smile

      We already have THIS for a very long time. Our modern multi-fuel tanks! And they can move on ethanol.
      Really did not know?
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 21 January 2016 22: 30 New
        +1
        And somewhere there is a combat unit where tanks, at least once, refuel with alcohol?
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 21 January 2016 23: 35 New
        +3
        In fact, a multi-fuel diesel engine is capable of operating normally on three types of fuel: diesel fuel, gasoline, and aviation kerosene! To change the cyclic supply and oil supply to the plunger couples, there is a three-position switch on the fuel injection pump ... So, not for everything ...
  4. Not_invented
    Not_invented 21 January 2016 17: 52 New
    +6
    I think with the current price of oil, the world will forget about biofuels for the next couple of years.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 21 January 2016 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Not_invented
      I think with the current price of oil, the world will forget about biofuels for the next couple of years.

      Learn to correctly cut money.
      Studies have been carried out, money spent, the result is published in a report. Everyone is happy. Americans do not receive royalties for an unwritten book, do not give lectures of $ 10000 per second - as they do with us, they just stupidly conduct research ....... ..
    2. opus
      opus 21 January 2016 22: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Not_invented
      with the current price of oil, the world will forget about biofuels for the next couple of years.

      current oil price is the value of the coming months, years.
      Oil is not a renewable resource, but is required not only for fuel.
      Certificate for 2012: [i] Nigeria's confirmed oil reserves reached about 35,5 billion barrels. (almost 4,8 billion tons). Here you can get 3 million barrels a day. (150 million tons of oil per year). By 2010, the production potential is expected to increase to 4 million barrels per day. (or 200 million tons per year). Interest in Nigerian oil is also fueled by the fact that 65% of it is oil with a low sulfur content (Bonny Light and Forcados varieties). According to experts, the oil reserves of Nigeria will be enough for another 10-15 years [/I]


      The Nigerian Department of Oil Reserves announced that Nigeria’s oil reserves currently total 35 billion barrels. that is, decreased by 2 billion barrels, or about 5,4%, compared with an initial level of 37 billion, according to the AllAfrica Internet portal.
      ------------------

      Exploration (everywhere) is minimized from almost 1/2 of 2014.

      Given the time it takes to develop resources and then recover costs, industries often need at least 10-15 years for making investment decisions, especially when it comes to new deposits ..


      The Bonga South West offshore field (Nigeria), which is being developed in partnership with Total, has a design capacity of 225 thousand barrels per day andit is estimated that it will produce the first oil in 2020.
      Droll recalled that the field was discovered in May 2001, 135 kilometers off the coast of Nigeria at a depth of 1300 meters.
  5. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 January 2016 17: 52 New
    0
    How many people are there to "create 50% of the fuel in the future"? It's necessary that our aerospace forces fly over them, and our submarines go under them ... request
  6. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 17: 54 New
    +1
    Is biofuel produced in large quantities by the crew in danger? laughing
  7. corporal
    corporal 21 January 2016 17: 54 New
    +1
    “This year alone, 77 million gallons (291,5 thousand cubic meters) of fuel mixture (with a biofuel share of 10%) at a price of $ 2,05 per gallon was purchased for the needs of the Navy on the US West Coast”
    Still to understand what kind of mixture is this, what is it like?
    And then you look, and our interest.
    1. Altona
      Altona 21 January 2016 18: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Corporal
      Still to understand what kind of mixture is this, what is it like?

      ------------------
      Seriously, biofuel is an offal of any vegetable oil, sunflower or corn, it doesn't matter ...
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Corporal
      What kind of mixture is this?

      "A third of vodka, a third of beer and a third of hemp broth" (c) DMB fellow
    3. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      What kind of mixture is this?

      "A third of vodka, a third of beer and a third of hemp broth" (c) DMB fellow
      1. thinker
        thinker 21 January 2016 21: 51 New
        +1
        If you believe the tape -
        Four escort ships from the aircraft carrier strike group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier John Stennis will be fueled with a fuel mixture including 90 percent of petroleum-based fuels and 10 percent of beef tallow biodiesel.

        http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/21/usnavy/
    4. rzaruba
      rzaruba 22 January 2016 01: 08 New
      +1
      90 percent diesel fuel and 10 beef fat.

      "The US military burns about 53 thousand tons of diesel fuel daily. The task is to replace it with a mixture of 90 percent diesel fuel and 10 beef tallow. The US Navy received $ 150 million for the construction of three factories for the production of biofuels from food waste, wood pulp, fats and oils. . "

      http://www.rg.ru/2016/01/21/zhir-site-anons.html
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2016 17: 54 New
    0
    And what actually, biofuel is so different from diesel fuel. In terms of calories and waste. In general, probably nothing special. But what a beautiful cut. Half a yard of greenery mastered. Yes, let yourself. It would be nice if the hammers continued to buy for $ 800! laughing
  9. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 21 January 2016 17: 56 New
    0
    I don’t know whether to be happy for them or not.
  10. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 17: 56 New
    -2
    the fleet “has been set the task to switch to alternative energy sources by half by 2020”.
    Set the sails, underdeveloped. And eat biofuels.
  11. OlegV
    OlegV 21 January 2016 17: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Corporal
    Still to understand what kind of mixture is this, what is it like?

    so it was Ukrainians who drove their ratsuha to them, now they refused Russian gas, some of the gas was from Europe, and the rest was biofuel (straw, dung, waste, firewood ...) and they shared mattresses with their brothers.
  12. polite people
    polite people 21 January 2016 17: 59 New
    -1
    Around the world, 385 — 472 million hectares of land has been taken out of agricultural circulation. Growing raw materials for the production of biofuels on these lands will increase the share of biofuels to 8% in the global energy balance. In transport, the share of biofuels can range from 10% to 25%. The USA is the one who destroys our planet for this fuel. It does not account for 95% of all biofuel production.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: polite people
      The USA is the one who destroys our planet for this fuel.

      Biodiesel does not harm plants and animals when it enters water. In addition, it undergoes almost complete biological decay: in the soil or in water, microorganisms process 28% of biodiesel in 99 days, which allows us to talk about minimizing pollution of rivers and lakes. CO2 reduction. During the combustion of biodiesel, exactly the same amount of carbon dioxide is released that was consumed from the atmosphere by the plant, which is the initial raw material for the production of oil, for the entire period of its life. Biodiesel in comparison with conventional diesel fuel contains almost no sulfur. This is good from an environmental point of view.
      Well, who is there "destroying our planet for the sake of this fuel"?
  13. Gardener91
    Gardener91 21 January 2016 18: 01 New
    +2
    Biofuel is processed sunflower and rapeseed oil. I can be mistaken. And they will take it in Ukraine too. In recent years, they have been killing the land completely with a sunflower and driving them to Europe.
  14. polite people
    polite people 21 January 2016 18: 04 New
    0
    According to Rear Admiral Kallom, about 70 percent of all petroleum products needed by the United States Department of Defense come from abroad. There is a clear dependence of the American military machine on oil imports. Any serious interruptions in its supplies can leave this very machine without “blood” and become a deadly threat to Washington. Not surprisingly, the US Navy is very decisive about biofuels.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: polite people
      Any serious interruptions in its supplies can leave this machine without “blood” and become a deadly threat to Washington.

      The United States has very large hydrocarbon reserves. The United States at any time could turn from an importer into an exporter of energy resources. But the goal was different. Back in the 70s, we were told that the United States adheres to politics: “We must pump other people's oil, while there is an opportunity. We will always have time to deflate ours. ”
      In pursuit of this policy, the United States has mothballed huge oil fields. In particular, there are explored and developed oil fields, mothballed for the future needs of the Navy specifically since the 60s. And so still not mothballed. And besides, in the USA and Canada there are a huge number of low-profit sources of oil and gas in the form of oil sands, bitumen deposits, low-calorie shale gas and shale oil. Extraction of these minerals in the presence of traditional sources of hydrocarbons is not cost-effective, but you can use them if necessary.
  15. Bykov.
    Bykov. 21 January 2016 18: 05 New
    0
    Is biofuel alcohol or something?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 21 January 2016 18: 12 New
      0
      Shiloh - in the sea jargon smile
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  16. arane
    arane 21 January 2016 18: 05 New
    13
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    America has everything except resources. This is their sore spot. There are still in storage but have already begun to sell.


    I’ll pay with happiness that in America there’s another kirdyk.
    They have everything. Someone believes that the evil Saudis have staged an oil war of American shale oil over the market? Various experts drive this noodle through the media. If that were so, then an American democrat soldier would have walked in Riyadh for a long time.
    Yes, well done they are developing technology. This is just a technical stepping stone to the next. And we do horseradish our engines even for the passenger car industry. All thirty years ago.
    New ships got stuck without engines due to disruptions in supplies from Ukraine.

    I'm in a stupor now. For the sake of interest, compare the dynamics of the corso hryvnia / dolar and ruble / dolar over the past two years.

    I'm fucked up. Poor unfortunate Ukraine. Default The economy in railroad, everyone stole it. Ahhhh, chief, everything's gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving. There is no oil in it, no industry, etc.

    And we. We are launching new plants, building something there, gold and foreign exchange reserves in heaps. We produce oil, increase its production. In space, bl, fly.

    So what the hell are we in this ass. Nabiulina broadcasts that the ruble corresponds to the price that is given for it.
    I am not an economist, but a strong feeling that I am once again robbed, as in 1998. Only more affectionately and gently.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 January 2016 18: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: arane


      I'm in a stupor now. For the sake of interest, compare the dynamics of the corso hryvnia / dolar and ruble / dolar over the past two years.

      I'm fucked up. Poor unfortunate Ukraine. Default The economy in railroad, everyone stole it. Ahhhh, chief, everything's gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving. There is no oil in it, no industry, etc.

      And we. We are launching new plants, building something there, gold and foreign exchange reserves in heaps. We produce oil, increase its production. In space, bl, fly.

      So what the hell are we in this ass. Nabiulina is broadcastingthat the ruble corresponds to the price that they give for it.
      I'm not an economist, but a lasting feeling, that they rob me again, as in 1998. Only more affectionately and gently.


      arane, said well ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2016 18: 23 New
        +4
        By the way, arane, I just read and fell into a stupor too ... What to do? To drink again?
        According to the head of the Russian Federation, the leader’s activities and ideas “led to the collapse of the Soviet Union”
        Russian leader Vladimir Putin, during a meeting of the Presidential Council on Science and Education on Thursday, January 21, shared his opinion on the results and ideas of Vladimir Lenin.
        Thus, in response to a question from Mikhail Kovalchuk, head of the Kurchatov Institute, Vladimir Vladimirovich described the subversive role of the leader of the world proletariat in Russian history. According to our president, the ideas of Ilyich ultimately "led to the collapse of the Soviet Union."

        http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2283754/
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 21 January 2016 18: 27 New
          +1
          He was tired of mimicking his own, and let loose. I am not surprised at all.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 21 January 2016 18: 26 New
      +1
      The exact same feeling.
  17. mag nit
    mag nit 21 January 2016 18: 06 New
    -2
    It seems to work on a dung.
  18. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 21 January 2016 18: 08 New
    -2
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    the fleet “has been set the task to switch to alternative energy sources by half by 2020”.
    Set the sails, underdeveloped. And eat biofuels.

    The State Department said it should. laughing
  19. arane
    arane 21 January 2016 18: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Bulls.
    Is biofuel alcohol or something?


    Rather rapeseed oil used in diesel engines

    Can alcohol for gasoline engines
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 January 2016 18: 10 New
    +5
    How would the "unbreakable union" of military and farmers be obtained? fellow .
    Farmers grow corn and sell to chemists.
    Chemists drive ethanol and sell it to sailors.
    A bunch of people in business and income. Everyone is happy.
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 21 January 2016 18: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      How would the "unbreakable union" of military and farmers be obtained? fellow .
      Farmers grow corn and sell to chemists.
      Chemists drive ethanol and sell it to sailors.
      A bunch of people in business and income. Everyone is happy.


      Ah, Aleksey, how many such symbioses went to breakthrough technologies, but turned out to be on Kichman for the know-how of developing improvements to kickback and drop schemes! recourse
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 21 January 2016 18: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      How to get an "unbreakable union" of military and fellow farmers.
      Farmers grow corn and sell to chemists.
      Chemists drive ethanol and sell it to sailors.
      A bunch of people in business and income. Everyone is happy.


      Alexey! The cycle you described is not closed. It would be necessary to supplement it with a stage in which sailors drunk from ethanol in all ports beat faces to farmers who came to hand. And then the farmers go to hide faces in corn.
      Now everyone is happy. laughing
    3. opus
      opus 21 January 2016 20: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Chemists drive ethanol and sell it to sailors.

      ethanol is not used in diesel engines.



      Biodiesel - it is a methyl ester resulting from a chemical reaction from vegetable oils and animal fats.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      Chemists drive ethanol and sell it to sailors.
      A bunch of people in business and income. Everyone is happy.

      biodiesel does not have a benzene odor and It is made from oils, the raw materials for which are plants, improving the structural and chemical composition of soils in crop rotation systems.

      Colza for example:



      oil is cleaned of impurities + alkali +methanol (on a cycle) - an exit Methanol+ glycerin + fertilizers

      Quote: voyaka uh
      A bunch of people in business and income. Everyone is happy.


      1) is released into the atmosphere when burning biodiesel almost as much carbon dioxide as the plant consumed, served as raw materials; i.e. biodiesel does not worsen the state of the atmosphere and does not exacerbate the greenhouse effect.
      2) biodiesel is fast (99% per month) and easy, using common bacteria, decomposes in nature, almost without harming it; even more than that: keep it longer than tmonths can not be - decomposes.
      Even an accident - the damage is minimal
      3) non-environmental advantage, absent from mineral fuel: it serves as a good lubricant for the engine. There is even a record in the Guinness Book: truck from Germany, drove in biodiesel without any interference with the engine, 1250 thousand kilometers.
      4) The annual total amount of agricultural organic waste in Russia is approximately 593 million tons, of which 350 million livestock, 23 million poultry, plant growing - 220 million tons. Based on cellulose, as a result of enzymatic processes, it is possible to obtain up to 117 million tons of bioethanol, with acetone-butyl fermentation - 64,2 million cubic meters. m of biohydrogen and 95 million tons of biobutanol, with peat extraction in the amount of 300 million tons - up to 90 million tons of bioethanol annually. A significant part of this waste could be used for biofuel production, especially considering that in Russian reality these products do not find other uses for themselves.
      1. opus
        opus 21 January 2016 20: 33 New
        +1
        Cons:
        - does not work well at sub-zero temperatures
        -methanol needed in the production of biodiesel is usually produced from natural gas

        Cons:
        - does not work well at sub-zero temperatures
        -methanol needed in the production of biodiesel is usually produced from natural gas
        - if you need to additionally plant large areas that otherwise could be used for food production.
        This does not threaten us very much, but Sweden is. Southern Sweden (granary) is almost all seeded with rapeseed.



        ethanol:

        When using ethanol (rather than methanol), problems arise when washing biodiesel to remove excess alcohol, ethanol forms a stable aqueous emulsion. Methyl esters also performed much better during long-term storage, compared to ethyl.

        FINAL REPORT, No. 303, November 1996. For the United States Department of Agriculture, Cooperative State Research Service, Cooperative Agreement No. 93-COOP-1-8627, University of Idaho, College of Agriculture
  21. Riv
    Riv 21 January 2016 18: 13 New
    -1
    It's funny Steam boiler on straw, or dung? Really really on alcohol? But this is blasphemy ...
  22. jovanni
    jovanni 21 January 2016 18: 20 New
    -3
    Well, now, an American sailor justified in battle is now not a shame, but the ability to provide even better combat qualities of his ship ...
  23. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 21 January 2016 18: 29 New
    0
    And the ship does not sniff, in the sense of it, from the spirits will not hobble back and forth?
  24. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 21 January 2016 18: 50 New
    -1
    Especially "pleased" the text -This will give us a strategic advantage. It's like, "if we (you) are drowned, then you can consume this biofuel before yours approach. (Other products will disappear). Then yes, cool."
  25. The black
    The black 21 January 2016 19: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Nothing, "drying" will fly around them several times (as in the case of the destroyer "Donald Cook" during the Crimean events) - the hidden reserves of the body will immediately appear. There will be enough fuel in abundance.

    laughing good ...... even sell to allies ...
  26. Jan2016
    Jan2016 21 January 2016 19: 34 New
    0
    Here is the next topic http://warfiles.ru/show-106167-vms-ssha-zapravyat-korabli-govyazhim-zhirom.html

    After long experiments, the US military decided to stop on beef fatOne to 10 is mixed with diesel fuel. The US Navy received $ 150 million for the construction of three plants for the production of biofuels from food waste, wood pulp, fats and oils.

    For testing a new type of fuel, the Navy was chosen, or rather one of the destroyers. On the eve of the naval base of San Diego in California went on a seven-month hike missile destroyer "Stockdale", the first American ship loaded with an explosive mixture of fat and diesel fuel. How this will affect the combat efficiency of the ship is not yet clear, however, experience has shown that it can move, which has already inspired optimism among Pentagon officials.
  27. 3vs
    3vs 21 January 2016 19: 48 New
    0
    So, the interest of the arrogant Saxons in Ukrainian chernozems is beginning to emerge!
    Where can I grow rapeseed for biofuel, is Petrusha going to spud?
  28. mav1971
    mav1971 21 January 2016 20: 12 New
    +7
    Pancake.
    Well, it’s a slip of stupid idiots in our country ... Almost all posts (with rare exceptions) amaze with their stupid attempt to glumlyazh.
    And Dryers dragged again. And donkey urine.
    D, B!

    Well, think at least a little head.
    1. Modern biodiesel surpasses high-quality diesel fuel in all respects. And lubricating properties, increased cetane number, 100% environmental friendliness during storage and transportation, much better fire safety. And yet it will soon be cheaper than oil refining. What is extremely important for a warship.
    there is no electricity in ethanol biodiesel.

    2. Employment of the population in the USA. Instead of giving subsidies to the farming population, keeping it at the level of "slightly higher than the first half of the year," the state encourages the employment of this very population in the cultivation of oilseeds. There are 3 dozen of these crops. With the output of finished oil in 6000 liters per hectare. Taking into account millions of hectares of relatively free land, the exhaust is not weak. And yes. Sunflower is not grown for oil in the United States. It is not, to put it mildly, the most oil-bearing. at the rice level. those. 6 times worse than the same oil palms. And sunflower is sown only in rotation in one state in total. The cost of a centner of the same sunflower for oil for biofuel is 400 dollars per ton. And when they learn to express the water content on an industrial scale, then in general. 700 times more than from rapeseed from one area.
    They will make vats in deserts and nafig it will not be necessary to hole the earth.
    Those. employment is growing. Money among the rural population is growing.

    3. A huge amount of "almost free" cake appears, which can be put into feed for animal husbandry. Reducing costs accordingly for the entire industry. That will give either additional money to the manufacturer. Or lower prices for the consumer.

    4. Increase in citizens' income - increase in the tax base of the state. Yes, plus the cessation of subsidies - a double benefit! You can spend extra money on social programs or science and take another step in development!
    All is well!

    What? is it really not visible?

    Is it really okay to write nonsense about "an American sailor to settle down in battle ... is not a shame, but an opportunity to provide even better combat qualities of his ship ..." is this normal, but thinking with your head is ... nothing?
    Fools ...
    All polymers about ... rallied .... :))))
    1. arane
      arane 21 January 2016 23: 30 New
      +3
      Dear mav1971. I regret that I can put only one plus.

      First, they practice stupid pseudo-madness, and when a fried one bites in a fried one, they run around yelling that "the British don't clean guns with bricks."
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 22 January 2016 10: 49 New
      0
      Quote: mav1971
      Well, think at least a little head.

      Yes, I would also move my memory.
      Once there was a disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Once, bacteria were launched there to process this oil and poured with corexit so that the oil would not float.
      I wonder what is happening there now? Are there biofuels based on seaweed or bacteria?
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 22 January 2016 20: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Petrix
        Quote: mav1971
        Well, think at least a little head.

        Yes, I would also move my memory.
        Once there was a disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Once, bacteria were launched there to process this oil and poured with corexit so that the oil would not float.
        I wonder what is happening there now? Are there biofuels based on seaweed or bacteria?



        And you yourself remember how much noise was and where is it now?

        Oil is self-decomposing in natural conditions for the 3-4 of the year.
        and even without corexitis.

        Clean sea.
        And there is liveliness.
        Everything has recovered.

        And oil production was even increased.
  29. L92140
    L92140 21 January 2016 20: 14 New
    +8
    Nice to go in and read the comments of "experts" who are professionally versed in feces and diapers, but sorry for the military review, which slipped to such a level of readers
  30. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 21 January 2016 20: 22 New
    -4
    A barrel is approximately 35 English gallons.

    A mix with donkey urine is $ 70 a barrel. Is it expensive or cheap now?
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 22 January 2016 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      Mix with donkey urine

      I kept wondering whose ears stick out of the ups and downs of oil. It turns out donkeys! This is a conspiracy of asses! wassat
  31. Ironax
    Ironax 21 January 2016 20: 42 New
    +2
    The only thing that confuses biofuels in general, and not in a particular case, is the employment of large sown areas for technological crops, and not for food crops. otherwise, especially if the United States is not short of fertile soils, only the pluses.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 21 January 2016 21: 43 New
      0
      Quote: IronAlex
      The only thing that confuses biofuels in general, and not in a particular case, is the employment of large sown areas for technological crops, and not for food crops. otherwise, especially if the United States is not short of fertile soils, only the pluses.


      What's the problem?
      If 40 years ago and now in 2016, about the same area of ​​arable land.
      But. The world average yield of the same wheat increased 3 times. from 10 to 30 centners per hectare.
      In America, this figure is the average 60 centners. Not bad?
      And the lands that were given over to grain were freed. Almost by 50%. And before they stood idle.
      Demand is stable. and easily predictable for years to come. It makes no sense to increase the grinding of grain.
      Who needs an excess of grain? To nobody. Because. that prices will immediately collapse.
      And your 100 tons of 100 bucks will be much better than 200 tons of 40 bucks.

      And now there is a benefit to use this land. For oilseeds are not bought for the bucket, but for fuel.
      New market.
      What is the problem then?
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 22 January 2016 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: mav1971
        What is the problem then?

        The fact is that when "feeding" cars is more profitable than people, the latter are moved. How do you like the prospect? The struggle of people and machines for resources. Machines also need space and different energy sources. A man is still a fellow traveler, implements, invents, improves his offspring, but somewhere he already interferes with machines to master the planet.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 22 January 2016 19: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Petrix
          Quote: mav1971
          What is the problem then?

          The fact is that when "feeding" cars is more profitable than people, the latter are moved. How do you like the prospect? The struggle of people and machines for resources. Machines also need space and different energy sources. A man is still a fellow traveler, implements, invents, improves his offspring, but somewhere he already interferes with machines to master the planet.


          Well, you are again in Russian, either red or white.
          Apparently there is no middle ground for you.

          Think about it again.
          Do you think that it is possible to consciously destroy the population by forcibly reducing the food supply? Those. the government that is elected by the people will destroy this people with just these methods?
          How long will such a government last?
          In the current realities?
          When there are no revolutions, wars and change of order?

          Are villagers fools?
          That is, when food shortages begin to be predicted and the price of it rises above fuel prices, will they continue to grow fuel like nesting dolls?
          do they need money? Are they nesting dolls for you?

          Think.

          Although. If you write. that people already interfere with cars - you probably know something that I don’t know.
          Give the address of the terminator?
          Or at least the address of the dealer that sells such grass ... :))))
    2. opus
      opus 22 January 2016 18: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: IronAlex
      that confuses biofuels in general, and not in a specific case, so this is the occupation of large sown areas

      this biofuel from beef fat (slaughterhouse waste)

      Carrier strike group of four ships is the first to begin operating regularly with a blend of petroleum and biofuels made from beef fat
      from the company Altair (California).

      Arable land is not involved.
  32. Ribald
    Ribald 21 January 2016 21: 27 New
    -6
    The sad experience of "Donald Cook" led to the unexpected idea of ​​dumping what was produced as a result of fright into the tanks.
  33. 4ekist
    4ekist 21 January 2016 22: 25 New
    0
    Now, if American sailors refueled their ship on a long voyage with their own feces, then I would say "Wow !!!"
    Well, in fact, I think that we are also working on energy efficiency.
  34. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 21 January 2016 22: 31 New
    +1
    Yes, let Che want to do it, at least they go on oars, then Cho.
    oil dohrenishcha, gas even more. Let them pervert, and then, we need to quietly give money to someone, and get the technology repeat trickier to be trickier hi
  35. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 21 January 2016 23: 56 New
    +3
    I read, I was already surprised at the stupidity of colleagues from the forum! What are you going down to! Okromya manure, no sensible thoughts? Shame on you guys not to see the prospects!
    Many along the way forgot that in the USSR the Tu-154 flew on hydrogen ... Maybe you will fast? Or during the war ZIS5 and a lorry on gas generators walked on chocks of wood, the same is funny, right? And now, for some reason, in our country, at gas pumping stations and power plants, the American Caterpillar engines are working, natural gas, not our engines, but the American ones ... Ours do not work ... Our Kamaz is on methane, a lighter-nickname, a take-out car brain, drivers cry ... And American motors, no noise and dust! The engine, CAT C-18 in the Volgograd region, Lukoil’s, twists the generator. Operating time about 50 thousand hours of work! No MTU, MAN, MAC, has such a resource! So, I would not laugh at the amers! There is something to learn from them!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 22 January 2016 12: 45 New
      0
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      I read, I was already surprised at the stupidity of colleagues from the forum! What are you dropping to!

      I remember them well. Near my house there were TsRMM for the repair of forestry equipment. From all over the Amur Region, the equipment was brought for repair. Not only the trucks, the tractors were gas-generating. In 1971, when doing the audit of the state reserve, there were more than 100 sets of gas generators in the warehouse .And from the distant forest sites, the peasants would like to supply them, because it was possible to start fuel only on ice roads.
      I wanted to reset the link, but those who want to find data on biofuel can google the E-20 mixture from the link. This mixture of gasoline and alcohol has been used since 1910 as fuel and there is nothing to drink it. Fuel in vegetable oil and dimethyl ether is biodiesel and it gives the smell of fried pies on the exhaust. These fuels are not so harmless, but these problems can be solved. The point is that these types of fuels require special materials for the fuel system. Those materials that are used today cannot be used for these fuels. Do you need metal or special materials. By the way! During the Civil War, alcohol fuel mixtures and benzene-toluene mixtures were widely used for aircraft engines, since the Baku oil fields were located near the Belys and the interventionists in the North Caucasus.
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    Jan2016 22 January 2016 08: 46 New
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    It is strange for some reason that no one paid attention (probably to everyone on an equal footing) on ​​what fuel the turbines of an American ship work BEEF FAT + SOLAR. That is, now not only vegetable fat can be used but ANIMAL! And this is a small revolution ...Animal fat engine.And for this, at least human, even whale or beef or mutton fat is suitable, apparently.
    1. opus
      opus 22 January 2016 18: 32 New
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      BEEF FAT + SOLAR

      not "beef tallow" but biodiesel made from beef tallow.
      b-diesel is made from beef tallow by Altair (California).
      Carrier strike group of four ships is the first to begin operating regularly with a blend of petroleum and biofuels made from beef fat

      USS Stockdale Captain Brian Weiss Demonstrates Sample Biofuel Mixture


      US Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack calls the US Navy a "green park" and notes "tremendous opportunity" for the biofuel industry, which will benefit farmers and create thousands of jobs.
      US Navy Secretary Ray Mabusa confirms that arable land for food is not used for biofuels.

      The U.S. Navy bought on the west coast 77million gallons (291.47m liters) of a 10% biofuel mix priced at $ 2,05 per gallon for its ships this year
  37. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 22 January 2016 12: 18 New
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    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Well, that's for sure ... military pilots somehow taught me how to steal alcohol from the brake system of an airplane after landing.

    This is something new ... Alcohol in the brake system ??? Low boiling liquid ???

    He probably confused with the cooling system for super-sound)))