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The development of a promising Russian high-altitude interceptor is included in the new weapons program.

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Russia will create a new high-altitude interceptor MiG-41. Its development will be based on the MiG-31 aircraft, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the deputy of the State Duma, a member of the defense committee Alexander Tarnaev.


The development of a promising Russian high-altitude interceptor is included in the new weapons program.
MiG-31

“The country's leadership has decided to include the project to create a promising high-altitude interceptor in the new armament program with implementation dates in 2020. The machine will be a further development of the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor, which is ahead of its time for decades. We do not exclude that the development of a new aircraft may begin earlier than the 2020 of the year, since our Armed Forces really need it. ”- said the deputy.

“The double supersonic distant interceptor MiG-31 was developed by the OKB-155 (now the MiG corporation) in the 70-ies. He made his first flight in 1975, and was put into service six years later. The interceptor was the first Soviet aircraft of the fourth generation and the first aircraft in the world equipped with a radar with a phased antenna array, ”RG writes.

The capabilities of the MiG-31 so far no one has surpassed. “Designed to intercept cruise missiles in the entire range of altitudes and speeds, as well as satellites in low orbits, it can automatically track to 24 targets, attacking the 8 of them,” the publication notes. Four interceptors are able to control the air front for 800 km.

In 2011, the military department signed a contract with the Nizhny Novgorod enterprise Sokol to upgrade these vehicles, as a result of which “the detection range of aerial targets was increased to 320 kilometers, destruction - to 280 kilometers,” the newspaper said.

At the end of the 2015, the RF AUF received a total of 73 advanced aircraft. More 50 should arrive before the end of 2018.
Photos used:
Vitaliy Ankov / RIA Novosti www.ria.ru
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  1. A-Sim
    A-Sim 21 January 2016 13: 05
    +2
    How unexpected. And on the basis of what else were the options?
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 January 2016 13: 19
      0
      Do you want to know all the options ?? The CIA is not asleep?
      Quote: A-Sim
      How unexpected. And on the basis of what else were the options?
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 21 January 2016 13: 20
      19
      I am tormented by vague doubts about the statements of deputies of all levels, and especially deputies of the State Duma especially.
      Well, of course, if it’s not a pre-election PR.
      But, in fact, PAK-FA is still not properly on the wing, PAK-YA - do not hear much.
      Tu -160 - besides talking, nothing.
      And then there's Mig-41 ..., the heart wants, but the head does not believe request
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      2. seti
        seti 21 January 2016 13: 47
        10
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        I am tormented by vague doubts about the statements of deputies of all levels, and especially deputies of the State Duma especially.
        Well, of course, if it’s not a pre-election PR.
        But, in fact, PAK-FA is still not properly on the wing, PAK-YA - do not hear much.
        Tu -160 - besides talking, nothing.
        And then there's Mig-41 ..., the heart wants, but the head does not believe request

        Why immediately PR? MiG-31 is still an outdated car and it is clear that it needs something to prepare for the shift. Something relevant to current and future realities. Fortunately, there are still bright heads and there are materials / technologies. Moreover, talk about this has been going on for a long time. Surely it will be a completely new car, but the basis will be taken from the MiG-31.
        PAK FA will be completed at the end of this year - there is already information, from the next year of supply to the troops. Already on the wing of 12 cars, of which six are serial.
        Tu 160 is still covered in darkness, but if there is little information, this does not mean that nothing is being done. Not everything can be covered in the press. And again, in fact, to recreate such a machine is worth the trouble. And give it to you all at once.
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 21 January 2016 13: 52
          11
          Quote: seti
          MiG-31 is still an obsolete car

          Let me disagree with you. This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it. Think of the plane as a platform for weapons and everything will become clear as in the afternoon. Sincerely.
          1. seti
            seti 21 January 2016 13: 58
            +7
            And yet, the platform is already 40 years old - that's a lot. I agree with you that there is still room to go, but the fact that the designers are looking into the future and intending to do something new using the old ideas is definitely a step forward. Now new devices and new materials. Brand new systems and electronics. New engines finally. You cannot even push everything into the old frame even now without damage to the car. If you can radically alter the plane and this will improve the MiG-31 at times, then I am only for it.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 21 January 2016 14: 32
              +6
              Quote: seti
              And yet, the platform is already 40 years old - that's a lot.

              .. but what can you say about the TU-22 platform (1968) - TU 22M3 (1978) .. and is still operational .. and there is no replacement for it .. the same applies to the 31st - the initially adopted structural and layout solutions allow you to use as a basis and business here is not aged .. hi
          2. Vita vko
            Vita vko 21 January 2016 14: 22
            +2
            Quote: edeligor
            This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it.

            The point is not in the reserves, but in the fact that a specialized interceptor fighter will always be a cut above its performance characteristics than a universal multi-purpose fighter-bomber. The creation of a universal T-50 (PAK FA) is an inevitable technical compromise.
          3. NEXUS
            NEXUS 21 January 2016 14: 44
            +4
            Quote: edeligor
            Let me disagree with you. This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it. Think of the plane as a platform for weapons and everything will become clear as in the afternoon. Sincerely.

            In today's realities, the entire missile and aviation industry in the world is gradually but surely switching to hyper sound. Such interceptors as the MIG-31 are primarily aimed at intercepting the KR (for this, it needs both speed and a ceiling and a radar).
            Now much has changed and the functions of the same interceptor have expanded. Almost all aircraft are now laid with multifunctionality and a certain universality of use. And the 31st is already on duty for about 40 years and it is time to create a replacement for it, taking into account new doctrines and threats.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 21 January 2016 20: 32
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: edeligor
              Let me disagree with you. This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it. Think of the plane as a platform for weapons and everything will become clear as in the afternoon. Sincerely.

              In today's realities, the entire missile and aviation industry in the world is gradually but surely switching to hyper sound. Such interceptors as the MIG-31 are primarily aimed at intercepting the KR (for this, it needs both speed and a ceiling and a radar).
              Now much has changed and the functions of the same interceptor have expanded. Almost all aircraft are now laid with multifunctionality and a certain universality of use. And the 31st is already on duty for about 40 years and it is time to create a replacement for it, taking into account new doctrines and threats.


              That's it! The 31st avionics modernized is self-sufficient to perform current tasks. to hammer something "new" out of it without taking into account the solution of the problems of the future (with the costs of R&D and all the accompanying ones) at least a State Duma deputy can think of. We need a new interceptor from scratch with the modernization capabilities built into it for another 50 years, only then the costs of developing a new aircraft will pay off. hi
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 21 January 2016 16: 09
          +1
          Quote: seti
          Why immediately PR?

          Because PR.
          To make a new plane, you need new engines.
          They are not and are not expected.
          In general, with engines we are tight to impossibility.
          Today we can’t make either engines for the MiG-31, or engines for the Tu-160, or engines for the Tu-22M. For the T-50, the new engine is either there or not - except for good words, no progress is observed.
          Quote: seti
          MiG-31 is still an obsolete car

          Please, list all the "obsolete" items of this machine.
          It is advisable, without emotion.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 January 2016 13: 49
        +3
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        And then there's Mig-41 ..., the heart wants, but the head does not believe

        Here it is interesting - "We do not exclude that the development of a new aircraft may begin earlier than 2020, as our Armed Forces really need it," the deputy said.
        Development may start earlier than 2020! Only development, and when ready, will it be? As the saying goes - "Chicken in the nest, testicle in ...." , and already talking - as if tomorrow will fly!
        1. dauria
          dauria 21 January 2016 14: 20
          0
          "The range of detection of air targets has been increased to 320 kilometers, defeats - up to 280 km," the newspaper said.


          For whom do they write? request Everyone understands more or less that the numbers depend on a bunch of parameters, and not only the target, but also the flight modes, even on the accepted probability figure. So, they blurted out about nothing and that's it. "the newspaper reported," we are glad .... smile
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 January 2016 14: 46
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          Development may begin before 2020!

          Development has already been going on for about 5 years (or maybe more). Even mattresses know about this. And the deputy is simply throwing dust in his eyes.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 06
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            .A deputy just lets dust in the eyes.

            I’m thinking, why the hell are we such deputies who are throwing dust in their eyes? request
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 January 2016 20: 47
              +1
              Quote: Bayonet
              I’m thinking, why the hell are we such deputies who are throwing dust in their eyes?

              PR ... PR in the State Duma you yourself know how dirt. I heard an open secret ...
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 January 2016 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        And then there's Mig-41 ..., the heart wants, but the head does not believe

        PAK DP (a promising long-range interception aircraft complex) has been developed for about 5 years. About this, mattresses started ringing three years ago and even announced the speed characteristics of the new interceptor, 4,5-5 misses. Later, the Russian side began quietly preparing the public for this news.
        I do not think that this interceptor will be based on the MIG-31 ... rather, it will be a new aircraft, taking into account the operation of the 31st.
        The 31st has been in operation for a long time and it has been replacing it for about 15 years, as it was, even though this machine still copes well with its tasks.
        1. lysyj bob
          lysyj bob 21 January 2016 15: 48
          +1
          [quote = edeligor] [quote = seti] MiG-31 is still an obsolete machine


          But, in addition to the technical component, there is probably also a tactical one. Any weapon has its own application features, and an airplane that has been in service for 40 years has been thoroughly studied by the enemy, and, accordingly, countermeasures have been created, so technical capabilities need to be improved, as if he did not surpass foreign analogues.
      5. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 21 January 2016 16: 20
        +1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        And then there's Mig-41 ..., the heart wants, but the head does not believe

        Well, firstly, it does not say that it will be 5 generations
        Secondly, it will take 5-10 years to develop
        Thirdly, radar and electronics can be delivered from PAK FA
        Total: need a new glider and engines
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 21 January 2016 20: 28
          +1
          "based on the MiG-31" ... "implementation date - 2020". Rather, it is a deep upgrade with a redesign of the airframe to improve performance. A new car until 2021. no one will have time to do it. And the radar station needs a new one - the MiG-31's nose section seems to me larger, so you can "cram the saucer" more. I wonder if it is possible to use composite materials - the MiG-31 partly owes its speed to the steel structure (the structure of aluminum alloys cannot withstand more than 2,5M)? hi
          1. Yuriy3005
            Yuriy3005 22 January 2016 08: 16
            0
            The performance characteristics laid down by the MiG-31 project will be more than enough by 2030. according to the logic of the MiG-41, as you wrote, it will be the deepest modernization of the 31st with a new element base, mechanics, hydraulics, engines (most likely there will only be an upgrade, new ones are unlikely). Basically, that's why they want to go with the Tu160M2 - a new filling in the "old" glider. It is hardly possible to create a fundamentally new aircraft at the existing scientific and industrial one.
  2. DenZ
    DenZ 21 January 2016 13: 05
    +3
    The machine will be a further development of the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor, which is decades ahead of time.

    I hope the Mig-41 will be a worthy successor.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 13: 15
      11
      Quote: DenZ
      I hope the Mig-41 will be a worthy successor.

      Here, I found a picture. It seems like a promising AK DP (long-range interceptor), possibly just the MiG-41. Do not hit hard, this is one option. Probably. smile
      1. iConst
        iConst 21 January 2016 13: 19
        11
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Don't hit hard
        - Okay, chatted ... laughing

        brush ...
      2. Engineer
        Engineer 21 January 2016 13: 19
        12
        This is not an option, but the bullshit of a teenager from 3d max who absolutely does not understand anything in the design of airplanes. With such a nozzle, it will not reach the speed of sound. Not to mention that such a scheme is typical for 3rd generation aircraft. And the plane will obviously not be single-engine.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 13: 52
          +1
          Quote: Engineer
          This is not an option, but the bullshit of a teenager from 3d max

          This is not me, honestly! smile
          Quote: Engineer
          With such a nozzle it will not reach the speed of sound

          Why? The truth is interesting.
          Quote: Engineer
          And the plane will obviously not be single-engine.

          And again - why? Because it is being developed on the basis of the 31st?
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 January 2016 13: 55
        +8
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Here, I found a picture

        And I found the truth is that real planes are fighting, not pictures!
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 14: 02
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          And I found

          A phallic apparatus, especially the nose. Do not find? smile
          1. lysyj bob
            lysyj bob 21 January 2016 15: 51
            0
            For this, the nozzles are large - the speed of sound will develop
            (joke)
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 21 January 2016 18: 23
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            A phallic apparatus, especially the nose. Don't find

            I’m not a woman, so I don’t find it! smile And the apparatus is a space fighter from "Star Wars" smile
      4. edeligor
        edeligor 21 January 2016 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Here, I found a picture. It seems like a promising AK DP (long-range interceptor), possibly just the MiG-41. Do not hit hard, this is one option. Probably. smile

        MIG21- laughing stealth version. Where did you find it?
      5. DenZ
        DenZ 21 January 2016 14: 27
        +1
        Do not hit hard, this is one option. Probably.

        Yes, these options are online like a .. for a bath. Recently, somewhere slipped. The main thing is that everything appears in metal.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 January 2016 14: 49
          +2
          Quote: DenZ
          The main thing is that everything appears in metal.

          Rumor has it that there is already a prototype. But there is very little information, mostly fantasies and assumptions. But the fact that work has been ongoing for a long time is a fact.
      6. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        sent for the development of factories, infrastructure, etc., etc., as a result, diversification of the economy failed.

        Infrastructure a bit, a little production in the defense industry, a bit of olympiads, and in general, the money was in a small bag of American banks, when the USA borrowed and dredged into production at zero interest rates, we saved up for a rainy day and did not take long to wait so long how production does not grow in such conditions.
      7. Tektor
        Tektor 21 January 2016 17: 56
        +1
        And it seems to me that this should be a larger bird than PAK FA, but similar to it, only with a large fuel supply for a larger radius and a third engine in the center for high-stratospheric hypersonic flight. The glider, radar and seals must be designed for overheating up to 600 C (now the limit is 300 C).
  3. ohtsistem
    ohtsistem 21 January 2016 13: 06
    +1
    Yes, it’s difficult now for the country ... but it is NECESSARY to build aircraft !!!
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 21 January 2016 13: 06
    18
    Very well. Is it possible to build new ones?

    I am very happy. Fair. That Mig-31 is a very cool car. But he damn development 1975-79-76 .... years !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And you can still start printing money, just give it to factories (people) and rivet and rivet multi-million dollar projects!

    And I do not need about the economy. Today's economists, and super ministers - this is me one day in books and Wikipedia.

    Stupidly PRINT ......

    they certainly have debt now of 19 trillion ..... but this didn’t interfere, for example, 18 trillion ago they continue? And WHAT didn’t interfere? - praaavilno - army and navy !!!

    This is what they built for 7 billion! When the debt was 18 ...

    normalki so che ..... the country is 300 years old .... in debt as in shilka .... but no are being built!

    1. Svoy_tovarish
      Svoy_tovarish 21 January 2016 13: 16
      +1
      Interesting idea. With me plus)
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 13: 20
      12
      Quote: DEZINTO
      I am very happy. Fair. That Mig-31 is a very cool car. But he damn development 1975-79-76 .... years !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Hovhannes Mikoyan (son of aircraft designer Artyom Mikoyan), advisor to the deputy general director of RSK "MIG", told reporters that the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor has high potential, it will be able to successfully operate for another century.
      "This is my favorite plane. For another hundred years, it can protect our sky, because it is - a unique machine that has no direct analogues abroad... It is made of steel and titanium and develops a speed of 3 thousand km per hour. Due to the avionics and new generation weapons, the efficiency of the MiG-31BM has increased 31 times compared to the MiG-2,6. "
      It seems like nothing like that, cheerful "old man" smile
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      2. forumow
        forumow 22 January 2016 09: 33
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Hovhannes Mikoyan (son of aircraft designer Artyom Mikoyan), advisor to the deputy general director of RSK "MIG", told reporters that the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor has high potential, it will be able to successfully operate for another century.
        “This is my favorite aircraft. For even a hundred years it can protect our skies, because this is a unique aircraft that has no direct analogs abroad.

        "Kulik" praises his "swamp"!
    3. Gardener91
      Gardener91 21 January 2016 13: 20
      +5
      You can build new ones, only for the specific requirements of the customer (MO) the engine is created for about 10 years, and also weapons and so on, so on. So it's not so simple. Modernization is the way out.
    4. iConst
      iConst 21 January 2016 13: 22
      +7
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Stupidly PRINT ......

      they certainly have debt now of 19 trillion ..... but this didn’t interfere, for example, 18 trillion ago they continue? And WHAT didn’t interfere? - praaavilno - army and navy !!!

      To do this, behind the ruble, the whole World must line up ...
      What they printed all (and Russia including) bought up in the form of treasure.

      And so - a kilo of potatoes will cost a million. a jar of caviar - a billion ... passed already. All were millionaires ... laughing
    5. theadenter
      theadenter 21 January 2016 13: 25
      +3
      To print money - the ruble needs to be provided with something, at least with some crutch.
      The economy has a lot to do with it.
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 21 January 2016 13: 50
        +5
        I say again - BOBU! You just think in a philosophical sense. Well, I’m bobbing. Nothing will happen. No inflation will happen. This is all fiction. Artifice. System. From which you can NOT FIG FIGS! log off. Do you understand? These are all papers. Conventions .....

        Take care you print money. And you speak with a smart face. - say anything, the main thing is with a smart face and prepared speech, you are already starting the path and working with the world.

        Fffso fiction ffso cheating! and even these fucking economic processes, according to the type (ON TYPE) of which it is necessary to act.

        If you take it, you rip-off planes, you build a fleet, and you tell everyone that it is so ... and that it is true. and that democracy .... and that the dollar is magnificent ....... (think about it just by typing paper) - and I don’t need about the economy.

        A little pathetic, but this is what I want to convey:

        How did the united states rise? How in the unhappy 300 years they were able to pump the rights to the whole world - they simply said - "I, and you all" - and they continue.

        So I'm just about such things. Not about the economy. They just took it and achrined to impossibility impudently! And so it seems to me that a new century should begin for Russia.

        The truth is always one (s)
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 21 January 2016 14: 33
          +2
          I agree with DEZINTO all fiction and fudge, that's the whole economy. And my higher economic education does not bother me in this. Economics is such a thing where with a smart face you can explain any situation you want (both good and bad). only now our economic block for some reason always explains to us why it is so bad for us and I can’t understand (where their work is for the good).
        2. iConst
          iConst 21 January 2016 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: DEZINTO
          I say again - BOB! You just think in the Filasian sense. Well, I’m bobbing. Nothing will happen. No inflation will happen. This is all fiction. Artifice. System. From which you can NOT FIG FIGS! log off. Do you understand? These are all papers. Conventions .....

          Take care you print money. And you speak with a smart face. - say anything, most importantly with a smart face and prepared speech, you are already looking for a way and work with the world.

          Fffso fiction ffso cheating! and even these fucking economic processes, according to the type (ON TYPE) of which it is necessary to act.

          If you take it, you rip-off planes, you build a fleet, and you tell everyone that it is so ... and that it is true. and that democracy .... and that the dollar is magnificent ....... (think about it just by typing paper) - and I don’t need about the economy.

          A little pathetic, but this is what I want to convey:

          How did the united states rise? How in the unhappy 300 years they were able to pump the rights to the whole world - they simply said - "I, and you all" - and they continue.

          So I'm just about such things. Not about the economy. They just took it and achrined to impossibility impudently! This is how it seems to me that a new century should begin for Russia.

          The truth is always one (s)
          - Bean-not-bean, and canceling the law of gravity does not take off.

          And philosophy has nothing to do with it. And it's not about "papers".

          Money as an entity exists (tautology, but true). And the economy is also an objective reality (well, there are banks, enterprises, shops, etc.).
          And there is such a criterion as purchasing power.

          I already said that in the 90s money was printed in exactly the same way, because there was no money in the treasury. So what?

          Yes, it will be so: oil has sunk, there is no production, and what it is - everything is imported, which means expensive.

          To the question of how the United States rose: not overnight.
          1. The British Empire helped them to their feet in their prime. And then they painted them for figs.
          2. Anglo-Saxons (Saxons before the Romans all had Europe)
          3. Protestants
          4. The most active (passionaries) went to conquer the New World
          5. Economic reform of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (+ the reception of migrants) - then the conditions for the development of the country really were created - capitalism. And now - imperialism.

          But everyone has their own truth. There are only bare facts.
        3. dauria
          dauria 21 January 2016 16: 08
          +3
          You take it, you rip it ... - and I don’t need about the economy.
          laughing


          Ingenious. Just one more verb - you shoot , those who translate printed rubles into bucks and over a hill. And so yes, you can easily- lowered the curtain, convert on the side and work, no one will interfere if you big enough. But they there, they say, counted - for this, 300 people need the people, that is, for a decent market.
          Although, if "the economy is on the side", you can try to build a rocket, a computer, an airplane and a washing machine in an independent village of 10 yards. wink

          But our tops will not go for it because of the words "shooting" and "curtain", and not at all because of the 300 million of the market (all the more it may not be so, maybe 150 million is enough)
    6. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO
      And you can still start printing money, just give it to factories (people) and rivet and rivet multi-million dollar projects!

      Then there will be inflation and the ruble will begin to rapidly depreciate. Since these banknotes will not be secured by anything.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 21 January 2016 13: 45
        +3
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Then there will be inflation and the ruble will begin to rapidly depreciate.

        and now he is not depreciating?
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Since these banknotes will not be secured by anything.

        Right now the ruble is "provided" by the raccoon in the proportion of 85 to 1.
        And in the case of printing money and sending it to infrastructure, production, and not in speculation, everything will be fine.
        PS. Liberal tales that money cannot be printed in Russia is a loop for the economy.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 13: 56
          0
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          and now he is not depreciating?

          In comparison with what is now, everything will be much worse, for 1 euro they will give 200,300,500 rubles, depending on the volume of printing money. As a result, a default will occur.
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Right now the ruble is "provided" by the raccoon in the proportion of 85 to 1.

          Now the ruble is worth so much because it is tied to the price of oil.

          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          And in the case of printing money and sending it to infrastructure, production, and not in speculation, everything will be fine.

          The money was when oil was worth $ 120 per barrel, directed to the development of refineries, infrastructure, etc. etc., as a result, diversification of the economy failed.
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          PS. Liberal tales that money cannot be printed in Russia is a loop for the economy.

          The United States can print money because there are a lot of dollars in the world, their printing is too small in relation to the total dollar weight in the world. And the ruble will be much more sensitive to the volume of printing of new banknotes.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 21 January 2016 14: 34
            0
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            The United States can print money because there are a lot of dollars in the world, their printing is too small in relation to the total dollar weight in the world. And the ruble will be much more sensitive to the volume of printing of new banknotes.

            Comment on kindergarten? fire me. hi
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 16: 06
              0
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Comment on kindergarten? fire me.

              Much depends on the amount of currency in circulation. If, for example, the United States prints, for example, $ 20 billion, inflation will not even be 0,5%, if Belarus prints the equivalent of $ 20 billion in its currency, inflation of the Belarusian ruble will be measured in large percentages. Do you understand this?
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 21 January 2016 23: 28
                0
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Do you understand this?

                And you?
          2. iConst
            iConst 21 January 2016 14: 48
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            In comparison with what is now, everything will be much worse, for 1 euro they will give 200,300,500 rubles, depending on the volume of printing money. As a result, a default will occur.
            - Not certainly in that way. The point is not the ratio of how many rubles are printed, but what is the demand for these currencies. The ruble fell more than twice, although there were relatively few of them (rubles) printed.

            Oil and gas revenues decreased, the dollar bought up and held. Speculation on the exchanges. So it grows.

            And what side is the default here?
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 16: 10
              0
              Quote: iConst
              And what side is the default here?

              In the case of printing extra money (emissions), inflation will increase more rapidly than patching financial holes in the budget with freshly printed money.
              1. iConst
                iConst 21 January 2016 16: 41
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                Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                Quote: iConst
                And what side is the default here?

                In the case of printing extra money (emissions), inflation will increase more rapidly than patching financial holes in the budget with freshly printed money.
                - Default, this is the country's refusal to service sovereign debt: interest or loan repayment on time.
                Moreover, the internal debts of banks, individuals or legal entities do not matter regardless of currency.

                There are no ruble bonds (and it doesn’t matter). Therefore, Russia borrows either in dollars or euros.
                And you need to return as well. So what does ruble emission and default have to do with it?
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 16: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: iConst
                  - Default, this is the country's refusal to service sovereign debt: interest or loan repayment on time.
                  Moreover, the internal debts of banks, individuals or legal entities do not matter regardless of currency.

                  There are no ruble bonds (and it doesn’t matter). Therefore, Russia borrows either in dollars or euros.
                  And you need to return as well. So what does ruble emission and default have to do with it?

                  The budget was barely barely making up (at a price of oil of $ 120, the Russian budget was $ 450 billion a year, now $ 200 billion, the share of oil and gas revenues is 47%), with more inflation, you have to borrow money in China or somewhere else (it won’t work out infinity cut budget spending), and then give it back. Where is the guarantee that the oil price will not fall even lower and will not linger on this bar for several years?
                  And you propose adding fuel to the fire even more, there are not enough low oil prices for us, so let's start printing money artificially, for even greater inflation, as a result, the budget deficit will increase, which will lead to government loans from foreign countries and an increase in government debt.
                  You look in the short term, and I in the medium and long term.
                  All that you described just will be in case of increase in inflation from issue of money.
          3. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 21 January 2016 16: 32
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            for 1 euro they will give 200,300,500 rubles

            You take the example of Ukraine. There is no production, no oil and gas, but the hryvnia is worth it, pensions are also rumored. What is the law of the economy working there?
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 21 January 2016 15: 06
        +4
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Since these banknotes will not be secured by anything.



        Um ... If we recall the ruble of 1961 and its support, then we can directly say that the present candy wrappers are NOT provided for anything ... For the simple reason that the former state property is mainly owned by private individuals ...
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 16: 14
          -1
          Quote: veksha50
          Um ... If we recall the ruble of 1961 and its support, then we can directly say that the present candy wrappers are NOT provided for anything ...

          Then, in general, the state artificially set the exchange rate difference (by the way, in some Arab countries, their currency is more expensive than the dollar, although their economy is clearly far from the United States).
    7. Engineer
      Engineer 21 January 2016 13: 34
      +2
      When you are the only superpower in the world, when your Fleet is stronger than all the fleets of the countries of the world combined, when your national currency is in fact a world currency, then you can turn on the machine whenever you want. But when your national currency is tied to the price of oil, and all foreign trade is in the national currency of another state, then your printing press does not solve anything.
    8. gladcu2
      gladcu2 22 January 2016 00: 18
      +1
      Dezinto

      They want to nullify debts and are being built. In the meantime, new debts are being built.

      That's how they live, without leaving the cycle. Stable and confident.
  5. mpzss
    mpzss 21 January 2016 13: 07
    0
    I hope our youth (designers) will design our equipment no worse than their fathers and grandfathers!
  6. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2016 13: 10
    +3
    Its development will be carried out on the basis of the MiG-31

    Does this mean that it will be like with the Tu-160M2, the airframe design will remain unchanged, but will completely replace avionics, electronics, with a modern one?
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 January 2016 13: 22
      +1
      Well, this is one of the most accessible and relatively cheap "updates" .. I think this will primarily affect the ACS and weapons.
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Its development will be carried out on the basis of the MiG-31

      Does this mean that it will be like with the Tu-160M2, the airframe design will remain unchanged, but will completely replace avionics, electronics, with a modern one?
  7. poma
    poma 21 January 2016 13: 11
    0
    R&D lives and wins.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 21 January 2016 13: 17
      0
      Research and Development - Do it yourself
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    1. Engineer
      Engineer 21 January 2016 13: 27
      +1
      The MiG-31 has EGFs like a bomber. And having such a high visibility, the aircraft has to have a more powerful radar in order to pinpoint the enemy earlier than he does. Stupidly reducing it, without even changing the radar of the aircraft, we increase its effectiveness in detecting targets. Therefore, on the new interceptor, design solutions will be implemented and new materials will be applied that reduce its EFR. The weapon should be located in the internal compartments, which will also reduce EGF, improve the aerodynamics of the aircraft, thereby increasing the patrol time. Again, you must have supersonic cruising flight mode. So the plane will be radically different from the Mig-31 and it will not only be external differences.

      ps I write the answer, but he removes the comment, radish)
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 21 January 2016 20: 57
        +2
        Quote: Engineer
        The MiG-31 has EGFs like a bomber. And having such a high visibility, the aircraft has to have a more powerful radar in order to pinpoint the enemy earlier than he does. Stupidly reducing it, without even changing the radar of the aircraft, we increase its effectiveness in detecting targets. Therefore, on the new interceptor, design solutions will be implemented and new materials will be applied that reduce its EFR. The weapon should be located in the internal compartments, which will also reduce EGF, improve the aerodynamics of the aircraft, thereby increasing the patrol time. Again, you must have supersonic cruising flight mode. So the plane will be radically different from the Mig-31 and it will not only be external differences.

        Migu-31 stealth is not needed. At a speed of 3000 km / h it will glow on radar like a Christmas tree! A cruising supersonic and Miga and so it is!
  9. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 21 January 2016 13: 21
    0
    Very good news! MIG31 itself, although the "son" of the 25th moment, is a successful car, and I think that the 41st will be the pride of our defense industry.
  10. Neko75
    Neko75 21 January 2016 13: 31
    +1
    Most likely it is a complex of all modernizations based on the MIG-31 airframe. As already mentioned above, it will take a decade to create a fundamentally new airframe and engines, so then you also need to break in. I heard that the engines are slightly modified, which will allow to raise the ceiling, but I don’t know how much to believe this.
  11. Termit1309
    Termit1309 21 January 2016 13: 47
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    Quote: Engineer
    The MiG-31 has EGFs like a bomber. And having such a high visibility, the aircraft has to have a more powerful radar in order to pinpoint the enemy earlier than he does. Stupidly reducing it, without even changing the radar of the aircraft, we increase its effectiveness in detecting targets. Therefore, on the new interceptor, design solutions will be implemented and new materials will be applied that reduce its EFR.

    According to our military, the MiG-31 is primarily designed to combat cruise missiles. They notice the interceptor of their fighter on the drum. Apparently this is why the old Miga glider suits them. Change radar and avionics and forward.
  12. edeligor
    edeligor 21 January 2016 13: 55
    0
    And do not we swing our fellow countrymen at hypersound! Give the fighter the earth - space, what the hell is not joking!
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 21 January 2016 14: 00
      0
      Quote: edeligor
      Give the fighter the earth - space, what the hell is not joking!


      If the old MiG-31 lowers orbiting satellites ... Why not?
  13. guran
    guran 21 January 2016 14: 12
    0
    And what is the point of keeping under control 24 targets, if you can hit only 8? Well, part was struck, and the rest broke through.
    And what does it mean to control the air front for 800 km? 4 interceptors hit 32 targets. And these goals, for example, 100 or more?
  14. Nick888
    Nick888 21 January 2016 14: 23
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    As he knew, as he knew:
    Quote: Nick888
    I read about a year ago, m / v Bonadrev said that MiG would begin to create a new interceptor. I look forward to some MiG-41))) But as mentioned in the comments above, it will take a long time to wait.

    http://topwar.ru/88364-mig-razrabatyvaet-novyy-perehvatchik.html#comment-id-5388
    033
  15. Izotovp
    Izotovp 21 January 2016 14: 31
    0
    Plasma generators at the desired points can also reduce visibility. BM-ki became a little better mainly due to the new avionics, which allowed the glider to lose some weight. If it is tied to 31, then only the layout will remain, because the processing technologies for those titanium alloys and lamp glasses have already been lost in many ways, but new ones have appeared that can replace them, and they need to be calculated. Guidance in new cars will be more powerful at times due to new AFAR and space and possibly patrol UAVs of early detection and guidance. An air-to-air flight with a radius of 400 km is being prepared, and there, you look, we’ll think of an additional UAV ...
    Unfortunately, nothing is heard about work on a pulsating engine, and current developments can change something by a few percent.
  16. newcomer
    newcomer 21 January 2016 15: 31
    +4
    I don’t know how anyone, but I still waited. I remember as a child admired 31m. Later, having familiarized myself with the technical characteristics (which were difficult to find at that time), I simply fell in love with this masterpiece of kb instantly. there was even a desire to enter a flight school, but it did not work out. but this news has long been wandering in the air. I found the first hints in the past year, I honestly did not believe it. but then the general mosaic of info began to take shape and, well, in general, I personally rejoice.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 22 January 2016 00: 22
      0
      At 86 I saw how the 31 Black Sea crossed in 5 minutes.

      He served where they saw it.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 January 2016 15: 33
    +2
    I don’t understand why produce different platforms? At the time of creation, the 31st is a unique aircraft with unique equipment. Now at the exit of the T-50 with systems of another generation, with a full arsenal of missiles at all ranges. What prevents the T-50 from making a long-range interceptor? There is a super sound (not the fact that you need one like the Miga 31, you need to refine the range, there will be no problems with electronics). A second crew member will be needed and it is possible to abandon OBE in favor of engine power and the ability to work on the ground. Platforms should be unified as much as possible, this will reduce the cost of development and supply of spare parts.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 January 2016 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      There is a super sound (not the fact that you need one like the Miga 31, you need to refine the range, there will be no problems with electronics).

      Supersound has already been around for decades. But today rockets and aircraft are slowly switching to hyper sound, which is 5 max and higher. Unification is not yet possible for us in aviation. Take a look at the amers from their F-35 and understand what I mean. Level technology and knowledge are not yet at the level to create a unified platform. In addition, the PAK FA is imprisoned for the wrong tasks, although it can partially fulfill the functions of an interceptor ... but ... as 40 years ago, it is now a priority for the interceptor is speed (for today and the near future hyper sound), the ceiling and the best radar that we have available.
      In addition, the 6th generation aircraft concept already suggests that these vehicles will not only be hyper sound, but will also be able to fly in the near space. And combat vehicles are developed not for 5-10 years, but for 50 years with subsequent modernization.
      The main task of the same 31st is to overtake CDs, which are being improved and the time is not far off when they become hyper-sound and even more subtle.
    2. VIT101
      VIT101 21 January 2016 17: 51
      +4
      [quote = Zaurbek]
      What prevents the T-50 from making a long-range interceptor?

      The train of thought is correct. Only, in my opinion, it is better to do it on the basis of the Su-30SM. It has a 2-seater cabin, which is important, the T-50 has a 30-seater cabin. The flight characteristics of the SU-XNUMX are comparable to the MiG. The maximum speed is lower, but this is not so important when intercepting into the front hemisphere. Modernize equipment, install a radar more modern than the "Barrier" on the MiG, long-range missiles.
      Restore production of the 31s is impossible. To create something new in the development of the MiG is unrealistic in the sense of time and money. And no one will do it now. It is necessary to upgrade all the remaining MiGs to BM level and value each machine and not write off thoughtlessly, as in the 90s.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 21 January 2016 22: 33
        0
        Then, on the basis of the su-34 !! When landing nearby, the interaction and atmosphere in the cockpit are better)))
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 21 January 2016 23: 03
          +1
          Quote: Izotovp
          landing next
          In the 80s, the project of an E-155MF strike aircraft was considered, which differs from the E-155M in an expanded fuselage, transverse rather than longitudinal placement of pilots and enhanced air-to-surface armament, including, in particular, up to 12 free-fall bombs of 500 kg caliber suspended on conformal nodes in three rows under the fuselage, as well as four SD on underwing nodes of the suspension.
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp 22 January 2016 00: 05
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            Although yes ... with increasing speed, the midship area begins to play a larger role, I guess. Most likely that's why they decided to abandon it.
  18. newcomer
    newcomer 21 January 2016 15: 33
    +4
    forgot to write. I hope the heir of the 31st will be hypersonic.
  19. newcomer
    newcomer 21 January 2016 15: 42
    +4
    zaurbek personally, in my understanding, Mig41 is created to combat the latest missiles, airplanes with high altitude and hypersnakes. speed (usa), as well as to combat aircraft of the 6th generation. which by the way, according to some reports, will be hypersonic.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 January 2016 20: 36
      0
      What mass American planes are created in the near future? Enemy Mig 31-41 is B-52, V-1V, V-2 (Reconnaissance aircraft) with all updated means of destruction and different visibility. I will say more, when meeting with the F-22, Mig 31 will not come out victorious, it can fly away!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 January 2016 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        I will say more, when meeting with the F-22, Mig 31 will not come out victorious, it can fly away!

        MIG-31 was primarily designed to intercept the KR ... and for the F-22 there is another fighter aircraft.
        In addition, you look at the practical and dynamic ceiling of these machines and compare. It is not at all a fact that the Raptor will remain intact.
        1. KKND
          KKND 22 January 2016 01: 32
          0
          Nexus, tell me, but are you sure that the small and small-sized (compared to Barrier-M) AG R-33 \ 37 will be able (and if at what distance) to capture the Raptor. I'm not sure...
          Then compare LTX and shout Hurray.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 January 2016 10: 10
            +1
            Quote: KKND
            Nexus, tell me, but are you sure that the small and small-sized (compared to Barrier-M) AG R-33 \ 37 will be able (and if at what distance) to capture the Raptor. I'm not sure...

            I am sure, dear, I am sure. I will say more, by the time the PAK FA will be adopted (which is 18-19 years old), there will be a new "far hand" missile, which will deeply spit on the "lizard" it will be in front of it or Lighting.
            And screaming cheers, it's not for me.
            PS I would like to look at that pilot Raptor, who decides to fly into the airspace of Russia ... Something tells me that in this case the F-22 will not deal with the 31st, but with Triumph missiles.
  20. fa2998
    fa2998 21 January 2016 16: 50
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    Quote: edeligor
    Quote: seti
    MiG-31 is still an obsolete car

    Let me disagree with you. This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it. Think of the plane as a platform for weapons and everything will become clear as in the afternoon. Sincerely.

    I partially agree with you, the MiG-31 is a worthy machine. So name the new MiG-31 aircraft M, M 2, M 3, or A, B, C, D. Either put another letter! Of course, the designers and factory workers are pleased to report on the NEW But in essence, the MiG-31 itself is a deep modernization of the MiG-25, and the MiG-41 will be a deep modernization of the MiG-31. You look at the latter, well, for example, B-52 (G, H) and compare with the first after all, everything has changed, a car with other capabilities but called B-52.
    Well, if we talk about a new generation interceptor - Soviet requirements - speed and altitude are good, but we need to somehow reduce the RCS, our aircraft can “see” far away, but we can also “see” them from Canada or AWACS. hi
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    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 January 2016 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      So name the new aircraft MiG-31 M, M 2, M 3, or A, B, C, D. Or put another letter!

      Well yes, right! For example, Tu-22, compare what was the first plane and Tu22M3. (cry)
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 January 2016 20: 31
    +1
    Interceptor is a platform. Supersound must be cruising (therefore, MiG 31 and T-50 gliders are suitable, but the Su-27-35 is not a fact), is hypersound needed? Are you going to chase GP rockets? You still will not catch up with them. The interceptor is needed at 95% to detect and quickly launch missiles of enemy bombers and KR already released by them. And all this is at a distance from Murmansk to Vladivostok, this explains the range and the presence of air refueling at Mig 31. You are unlikely to notice or catch a hypersonic missile when you catch it, even at close speed.
  22. Irbis5974
    Irbis5974 21 January 2016 21: 10
    +1
    Quote: guran
    And what is the point of keeping under control 24 targets, if you can hit only 8? Well, part was struck, and the rest broke through.
    And what does it mean to control the air front for 800 km? 4 interceptors hit 32 targets. And these goals, for example, 100 or more?

    And the point is that the MiG-31 data transmission equipment works in the same way as the A-50 equipment. As a result, colleagues and other types of fighters knock over the remaining targets for MiG-h aiming without problems. I hope you do not think that with a massive raid, only the 31st will be in the air.
    1. guran
      guran 22 January 2016 07: 13
      0
      Quote: Irbis5974
      Quote: guran
      And what is the point of keeping under control 24 targets, if you can hit only 8? Well, part was struck, and the rest broke through.
      And what does it mean to control the air front for 800 km? 4 interceptors hit 32 targets. And these goals, for example, 100 or more?

      And the point is that the MiG-31 data transmission equipment works in the same way as the A-50 equipment. As a result, colleagues and other types of fighters knock over the remaining targets for MiG-h aiming without problems. I hope you do not think that with a massive raid, only the 31st will be in the air.

      Understood thanks.
  23. 4ekist
    4ekist 21 January 2016 23: 08
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    Quote: edeligor
    Quote: seti
    MiG-31 is still an obsolete car

    Let me disagree with you. This product has not yet used all the reserves laid down in it. Think of the plane as a platform for weapons and everything will become clear as in the afternoon. Sincerely.

    Mig-31 I think one of the best cars. But I want even better.